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fivepoint
Jun 23, 2008, 08:24 AM
I wish that AppleTV would access my movie folder and iMovie projects directly without having to export the files into iTunes. Similar to the way it works with iPhoto...

With a large library of DVD titles, I don't want to just drop my few home movies in with that group. I want to keep them all organized. FrontRow on my iMac can at least access the movies folder on the mac... but why can't AppleTV? Seamless integration that we have come to expect from Apple, should definitely include iMovie! Don't you agree?



dynaflash
Jun 23, 2008, 09:14 AM
huh? you want the atv to be able to play dv streams ( the most common format inside an iMovie project ) ? Not likely.

fivepoint
Jun 23, 2008, 09:19 AM
huh? you want the atv to be able to play dv streams ( the most common format inside an iMovie project ) ? Not likely.

The AppleTV is a computer... why couldn't it play DV streams? If there is some really good reason why, then fine. How about Movie Folder access like FrontRow? That should be EASY!

The big question here is "WHY?". As in "Why can't I access home movies from my iMac on my AppleTV?" When guests come over, I shouldn't have to reimport all of my home movies into iTunes, clustering them with all of my hollywood movies. Home movies should be simple and easy to access from the AppleTV... just like my home photos.

dynaflash
Jun 23, 2008, 09:43 AM
The AppleTV is a computer... why couldn't it play DV streams? If there is some really good reason why, then fine.
Well, technically its feasible, but to play a dv stream from your computers folder means it would be streaming them via your network, have you looked at the typical bitrate of a dv stream ? *Could* it work ? Yes. Could it work reliably, not really. If you sync'ed them it might work okay playing from the atv hdd, but tbh it seems to me it would negate the convenience you are looking for. Frankly I think the mass appeal would be far to low for them to even head in this direction, seems they have much bigger fish to fry tbh. But, you never know what will be in the next update.

dynaflash
Jun 23, 2008, 09:44 AM
When guests come over, I shouldn't have to reimport all of my home movies into iTunes, clustering them with all of my hollywood movies.
What if you just created a genre called "Home Movies" since the atv does separate by genre ?

HobeSoundDarryl
Jun 23, 2008, 10:20 AM
:apple:TV is strongly dependent on the itunes connection. The iphoto connection works not because the photos are in the pictures folder, but because iTunes was updated to facilitate the connection of personal photos. Now, it would be nice if Apple would add a lot of capabilities to :apple:TV, so that many of the (many) wishes about what :apple:TV could/should do could be granted, but whether they'll choose to ever get to any particular wish is always up in the air.

Here's another way to get closer to your wish.

When it comes organizing video so that they aren't in the one long "movies" list, you need to tag them as TV shows. With TV show tags, you have fairly good capabilities to organize content as you desire (though they still have to be managed by iTunes (and thus exported out of iMovie for this purpose).

Because, like you, I didn't want home moves mixed with (non home) movies, this is exactly what I did:
1. I tag all of my home movies as a TV Show (Get Info, Video tab, Video Kind- TV Show).
2. In the "Show" field, I put in Home Movie (for all home movies, NOT using distinct names in this field)
3. In the "Season" field, I put in the 4-digit year in which the home movie was shot (for example, 2008)
4. In the "Episode ID" field, I put in a 4-digit month/day (example: 0614 for June 14). If I don't know the exact date, I use best estimate.
5. In the "Episode Number" field, I put in an incremental episode number based upon when this video was shot vs. others shot in the same year. For example, if this is the 5th home movie I shot in 2008, the Episode Number will be 5).

6. In the "Info" tab, "Name" field, I punch in the name as I'd like it to be shown in :apple:TV. Unlike the "Show" field above, this is where individualized home movie names work best.
7. For "Artist" I use "Home Movies" (all of them are tagged this way- no distinct artist names).

8. Lastly, in the "Artwork" tab, I put in a nice tall image often culled from (iPhoto) photos taken at the same event in which the home movie was shot. If there are no photos available, I open the home movie in Quicktime, then screen grab it using the grab option in the Preview application. I always try to grab images that are about 2ce as tall as they are wide, much like movie posters. As such, when grabbing from QuickTime, I am cropping content from the sides so that I end up with an image that is taller than it is wide. To my eyes, these tend to look better in the :apple:TV equivalent of cover flow.

With them tagged as described above, they'll show up as a single line item (Home Movies) in TV Shows on :apple:TV. Clicking into that item will show them grouped by episode ID number, most recent to oldest home movie, with the names you entered in #6 as on-screen video descriptors). And if you tagged them as above (using 4-digit year for Season field), your movies will be split out as "seasons" by year, giving you a nice chronological organization to your home movies.

Over time your iMovie raw files will get dramatically larger and larger, always putting pressure on your readily-available hard drive storage situation. So rendering them down to H.264 will make it possible to have an "always available" copy of your home movies in relatively modest hard drive space. Then, you can move a relatively huge iMovie file offline (as in off your main accessible storage) when the day comes that you have so much iMovie video stored and not much room for more (readily available) hard drive storage.

I have nearly 2 terabytes of home movies in iMovie format (they do add up quickly). But they take only about 50gb as H.264, :apple:TV-ready videos available to iTunes.

Until Apple makes some meaningful adaptations to iTunes for better video tagging & organizing purposes, the above is the best way I've found to get fairly close to at least some of your objectives.

fivepoint
Jun 23, 2008, 10:23 AM
Well, technically its feasible, but to play a dv stream from your computers folder means it would be streaming them via your network, have you looked at the typical bitrate of a dv stream ? *Could* it work ? Yes. Could it work reliably, not really. If you sync'ed them it might work okay playing from the atv hdd, but tbh it seems to me it would negate the convenience you are looking for. Frankly I think the mass appeal would be far to low for them to even head in this direction, seems they have much bigger fish to fry tbh. But, you never know what will be in the next update.

DV (I believe) uses a fixed bitrate of around 25 megabits per second, or less than half of even a normal 'G' network's bandwidth.

I don't see what you mean by not appealing to the masses. iMovie is used by millions of people... similar to iPhoto. Everyone who takes their own photos, has probably atleast experimented with taking their own videos as well. (YouTube is a good example) The integration of the iLife apps is their best feature. I see no reason why iMovie projects (or at least your Movie Folder) couldn't be viewed via AppleTV, so all of your home movies could be seen from the comfort of your recliner. Surely I can't be the only one who thinks so!

I see what you're saying about the 'genre' solution... but that is a band-aid solution for a gaping wound problem, at best. Think iPhoto/iTunes integration.... or Movie Folder/Front Row integration. This isn't that far of a jump. There is no reason to defend Apple here, it would be an awesome upgrade to AppleTV, anyone can see that.

fivepoint
Jun 23, 2008, 10:29 AM
:apple:TV is strongly dependent on the itunes connection...

HobeSoundDarryl,
I want to thank you for posting that information. That is a much more elegant solution than the 'genre' one. I like the idea of keeping them organized in 'TV Shows' as opposed to 'Movies', as I don't want to clutter the Movies section.

This post I think makes the need for an Apple Solution even more evident. While I posess the technical knowledge to follow your steps, there are many who do not and/or are not willing to take the time to do so. The major problem with this is the amount of time it takes to implement, and the fact that all of your data is duplicated and double-stored.

I think I will follow your suggestion in the short-term, but strongly hope that Apple answers quickly with a long-term solution fo their own. The solution is an obvious thing Apple over-looked, and something that many of their customers would LOVE to have. It seems 'obvious' and I'm sure they are already working on a solution. At least, I hope so.

Thanks again for your input! Well thought out, and implemented. I will be duplicating your setup for sure.

dynaflash
Jun 23, 2008, 10:33 AM
DV uses DCT intraframe compression at a fixed bitrate of 25 megabits per second (25.146 Mbit/s), less than half of even a normal 'G' network's bandwidth.
Um, technically true, but in practice we all know that a 5mbit/s video streamed can cause stuttering on the atv. At any rate here's to hoping you get what you want from a future update :) . Funny thing how everyone has different things they want the atv to do. To me it means its a great idea and just needs some new features to really take hold.

fivepoint
Jun 23, 2008, 10:45 AM
Um, technically true, but in practice we all know that a 5mbit/s video streamed can cause stuttering on the atv. At any rate here's to hoping you get what you want from a future update :) . Funny thing how everyone has different things they want the atv to do. To me it means its a great idea and just needs some new features to really take hold.

I agree with you, 100%. I love my AppleTV... it just seems like (because it is in its infancy) there are a few simple features Apple could add to make it irresistible. iMovie integration seems like a simple/obvious one. It fits perfectly into the scope of the device and the legendary iLife integration.

fivepoint
Jun 26, 2008, 12:25 PM
Um, technically true, but in practice we all know that a 5mbit/s video streamed can cause stuttering on the atv. At any rate here's to hoping you get what you want from a future update :) . Funny thing how everyone has different things they want the atv to do. To me it means its a great idea and just needs some new features to really take hold.

I almost wonder if Apple purposely leaves out these features so as to not alienate the majority of AppleTV owners (PC users) who can't take advantage of those features anyway.

thechris69
Jun 26, 2008, 02:54 PM
:apple:

fivepoint
Jun 26, 2008, 03:18 PM
:apple:

I couldn't have said it better myself. :)

theBB
Jun 26, 2008, 03:21 PM
DV (I believe) uses a fixed bitrate of around 25 megabits per second, or less than half of even a normal 'G' network's bandwidth.
You almost never get those headline numbers unless there is nobody else using a nearby network, there are no microwave ovens or cordless phones in use around and the computer is next to the base station. Besides, the signals from your computer have to reach the base station first and then the base station has to send the stream to AppleTV. This reduces your throughput even more.

Nessy
Jun 27, 2008, 03:42 AM
I am all up for this. iLife is a beautiful sweet of apps because they are tightly integrated with each other. I chose to store all my home movies in the new iMovie because it essentially now works as a lovely Library enabling me to organize and sort (the same way iTunes has for music). All my movies are mp4 format. All I need the appleTV to do is look at my Library and if capable play the files.

I see no point of using it as a library system and then exporting (duplicating!) files out to iTunes. You end up with a mess and that's not the apple way.

I'll wait patiently to see if this integration comes along but in the meanwhile it's looking like a patch-stick so I can just browse to the files....

fivepoint
Jun 27, 2008, 07:47 AM
I am all up for this. iLife is a beautiful sweet of apps because they are tightly integrated with each other. I chose to store all my home movies in the new iMovie because it essentially now works as a lovely Library enabling me to organize and sort (the same way iTunes has for music). All my movies are mp4 format. All I need the appleTV to do is look at my Library and if capable play the files.

I see no point of using it as a library system and then exporting (duplicating!) files out to iTunes. You end up with a mess and that's not the apple way.

I'll wait patiently to see if this integration comes along but in the meanwhile it's looking like a patch-stick so I can just browse to the files....

Aaaammmeeeennn! You're speaking my language, Nessy. If there is one thing Apple got right with the new iMovie (besides live scrubbing) is the ability to organize movie files just like iTunes and iMovie. It's a true blessing for those of us with ever-growing libraries!

This seems like an obvious addition to iTunes/AppleTV. Hopefully it comes soon. Maybe I'll send an email to sjobs@apple.com to see if he can get it done. He seems like a real 'go-getter.' :D

alFR
Jun 27, 2008, 10:23 AM
Maybe I'm just being dim, but why would you want the hours of unedited footage in your iMovie clips library available on your :apple:TV, including all the out of focus, wobbly, overexposed and just plain dull bits? Surely the idea is to edit your video in iMovie then export it in whatever format you want to view it in, except instead of burning a DVD like in the old days you export it in :apple:TV format to iTunes?

fivepoint
Jun 27, 2008, 11:42 AM
Maybe I'm just being dim, but why would you want the hours of unedited footage in your iMovie clips library available on your :apple:TV, including all the out of focus, wobbly, overexposed and just plain dull bits? Surely the idea is to edit your video in iMovie then export it in whatever format you want to view it in, except instead of burning a DVD like in the old days you export it in :apple:TV format to iTunes?

A few things here...

That's just like saying: "would you want the hours of unedited photos in your iPhoto library available on your :apple:TV, including all the out of focus, wobbly, overexposed and just plain dull shots? Surely the idea is to edit your images in iPhoto then export it in whatever format you want to view it in, except instead of burning a DVD like in the old days you export it in :apple:TV format to iTunes?

I want to see the iMovie 'projects' folder. Not so much on the iMovie 'Library' stuff... but it wouldn't hurt.

I'd like to use iMovie like iTunes or iPhoto. Leave all of my video content in there (post-editing) for storing, organizing, etc. That is the biggest benefit of the new iMovie, but we lose all the benefits becuase we're expected to export everything for AppleTV. This was obviously Apple's intention as this is exactly how the YouTube and .Mac Gallery features function in iMovie. You edit the content into the iMovie projects section, and 'share' it from there. You shouldn't have to store it in iMovie, in iTunes, etc.

Fast-forward exists for a reason.

alFR
Jun 27, 2008, 05:42 PM
That's just like saying: "would you want the hours of unedited photos in your iPhoto library available on your :apple:TV, including all the out of focus, wobbly, overexposed and just plain dull shots? Surely the idea is to edit your images in iPhoto then export it in whatever format you want to view it in, except instead of burning a DVD like in the old days you export it in :apple:TV format to iTunes?

My point exactly. Do you really keep every image you shoot? I don't and I'm sure most other people don't either. What would be the point of keeping OOF photos? :confused:

I'd like to use iMovie like iTunes or iPhoto. Leave all of my video content in there (post-editing) for storing, organizing, etc. That is the biggest benefit of the new iMovie, but we lose all the benefits becuase we're expected to export everything for AppleTV. This was obviously Apple's intention as this is exactly how the YouTube and .Mac Gallery features function in iMovie. You edit the content into the iMovie projects section, and 'share' it from there. You shouldn't have to store it in iMovie, in iTunes, etc.

Actually, the YouTube and .Mac Gallery functions work exactly like exporting to iTunes - it's just that the exported video is stored on .mac or on YouTube, not on your computer. Unless YouTube goes down when you turn off your mac, of course. :)

Fast-forward exists for a reason.

I think you're in a pretty small minority if you never edit any of your home videos at all, to be honest.

Nessy
Jun 27, 2008, 05:57 PM
@alFR

Yes - sure. However, I want to edit the footage, put it in a format that will play on most stuff and then store it somewhere that makes sense, is easy to organize and easy to search. I want to store it in iMovie because they are movies. I would not have done this on the previous versions of iMovie but the who point of the new one was to use it as a library of events.

I'll keep my movies, TV shows and 'film' movies in iTunes, I can handle that but if iMovie is going to work the way it does then being an iLife app I think it should keep the features that make iLife great....integration....shared data...makes sense to any users....etc. etc. if iMovie is simply an editor then I can of course understand why you put in, export out. It's not that anymore though and I quite like where they are going with it.....I just want it going to my appleTV also... :-)

dynaflash
Jun 28, 2008, 12:54 AM
Um, maybe you guys should be writing apple.

Nessy
Jun 28, 2008, 04:13 AM
been there... done that. You never know, they may read it....

I think they'll come good. As I said, patch-stick for now....

fivepoint
Jun 28, 2008, 06:34 AM
My point exactly. Do you really keep every image you shoot? I don't and I'm sure most other people don't either. What would be the point of keeping OOF photos? :confused:



Actually, the YouTube and .Mac Gallery functions work exactly like exporting to iTunes - it's just that the exported video is stored on .mac or on YouTube, not on your computer. Unless YouTube goes down when you turn off your mac, of course. :)



I think you're in a pretty small minority if you never edit any of your home videos at all, to be honest.

I think you're right that it is a 'minority', but there are TONS of people that do it. There aren't very many people that use Garageband and iWeb either... but Apple includes them.

I just want it to function like iPhoto/iTunes. Let me see the projects/albums, let me choose which ones to sync/stream to AppleTV, etc. It's not that difficult. Can't you see that?



Um, maybe you guys should be writing apple.
Already did.

fivepoint
Oct 6, 2008, 09:38 AM
Well... it's been several months, and I just thought this deserved to be brought back into the discussion again after ANOTHER AppleTV update came and went with no mention of support for home movies. This seems so strange to me... Apple continually pushes iLife as one of the major differences between Macs and PCs and the compatibility and interoperability between all of Apple's products.

Why in the world would Apple's only living room component completely ignore Apple's bundled home-movie making software? Why would AppleTV be able to work with iPhoto, but not with iMovie? :(

How about you? Would you use this feature?


P.S. I love my AppleTV, don't get me wrong. This simple change, however, would make all the difference for me!

Kilamite
Oct 6, 2008, 09:56 AM
I for one hate iMovie 08 with passion. To do simple things, it is very complicated. If you are into making home movies, Final Cut Express would be worth investing in at some point.

The movies I make that I want to put on my Apple TV I too store them under TV Shows. Once I've finished editing, export using H.264 to the desktop, tag with MetaX, then pop it onto my external hard drive then sync with my Apple TV.

Although that isn't the most user-friendly way of doing it all. While I wouldn't even go near it, iMovie 08 library access in Apple TV would be pretty useful.

fivepoint
Oct 6, 2008, 10:08 AM
I for one hate iMovie 08 with passion. To do simple things, it is very complicated. If you are into making home movies, Final Cut Express would be worth investing in at some point.

The movies I make that I want to put on my Apple TV I too store them under TV Shows. Once I've finished editing, export using H.264 to the desktop, tag with MetaX, then pop it onto my external hard drive then sync with my Apple TV.

Although that isn't the most user-friendly way of doing it all. While I wouldn't even go near it, iMovie 08 library access in Apple TV would be pretty useful.

I share your disdain with iMovie on several levels... However, for organizing large libraries of home movies, it can not be matched. Certainly not by older versions of iMovie. I, personally, am in the middle of cataloging a bunch of old home movies. iMovie has been great, because I'm only making simple edits, not adding any music or anything like that... just cataloging, and organizing.

Regardless of your opinions on iMovie '08 though, you also agree that having to export all of the files, tag them, mis-file them in iTunes, etc. is hardly an optimal solution. Glad you agree.

In a perfect world, AppleTV would be able to see all of the projects from iMovie. If that couldn't work for some reason, it should at least be able to see files in your home folder under 'movies.' Then you wouldn't have to duplicate files and import/export them out of iTunes, etc.

iPhoto works perfectly with iTunes, why not iMovie!?!?!

All it would take is an extra tab (in your AppleTV device screen in iTunes (and the iPHone screen, etc)) which allows you to put 'checks' next to the movies you want to sync with the device. Just like iPhoto. Videos with the correct size for that device, would show up, the rest would be grayed out.

Kilamite
Oct 6, 2008, 10:16 AM
In a perfect world, AppleTV would be able to see all of the projects from iMovie. If that couldn't work for some reason, it should at least be able to see files in your home folder under 'movies.' Then you wouldn't have to duplicate files and import/export them out of iTunes, etc.

iPhoto works perfectly with iTunes, why not iMovie!?!?!

All it would take is an extra tab (in your AppleTV device screen in iTunes (and the iPHone screen, etc)) which allows you to put 'checks' next to the movies you want to sync with the device. Just like iPhoto. Videos with the correct size for that device, would show up, the rest would be grayed out.

In a perfect world, iMovie 08' would be a simplified replica of Final Cut Express, and when you finish your movie, it will ask you to tag it, then it'll export it to your desired save location and automatically add it to iTunes.

Then, the home movie is still in iMovie 08 and is archived in your library, but is also in the iTunes library to play on the Apple TV. It would have to be automatic to simplify the process.

If iMovie 08 was ever to share its library to the Apple TV, every finished home movie would have to be exported (or just rendered, and the rendered file remains in the iMovie library) so the Apple TV can read it. Sending .dv files would take up huge amounts of space, and streaming wouldn't really be ideal either.

mrgreen4242
Oct 6, 2008, 10:52 AM
What if you just created a genre called "Home Movies" since the atv does separate by genre ?

I actually create a TV show called Home Movie (unedited) and one called Home Movies I (edited). This keeps them all grouped together in a single place without cluttering up my menus, as well as letting me do some additional sorting on them (see below for season/episode sorting). You can name each "episode" and give it a detailed desription as well, helping you pick out the stuff you want (although the date is typically enough for me).

I have an MPEG2 HDD based camera that I periodically manually download all the video from (iMovie would do it automatically, but I'll explain why I do it manually in a moment) and clear off the internal drive (about 30 hours of video, so I can go quite awhile).

I then use Handbrake to do a high quality MPEG4 conversion of the video (I remove the anamorphic encoding and expand the file to a full 853X480, I use the highest quality deinterlace which is way better than iMovie/QT's deinterlacing and now with the recent builds of HB having a decomb filter it's even better). I then add all the unedit clips to iTunes, flag them as part of my Home Movies (unedited) TV Show, use an Applescript to mark them as part of a "season" (import session) and episode (in order of date/time). I also then add the files to iMovie '08, which handles MP4's just fine for editing, so I can edit them at my leasure (and share over to iTunes when I'm done).

Finally, I burn the MP4 files to a DVD-R DL (about 25 hours to an 8gb disc), and I burn the original MPEG2 files to a set of DVD-R DLs (about 5 8gb discs for 28 hours). I store those discs in cases in a dark drawer for backup, and delete the MPEG2's off my computer (I just work from the MP4s for editing, since they HAVE to get deinterlaced and importing the interlaced MPEG2s into iMovie results in a 50% resolution loss).

I'm actually going to go back and redo my last/only 30 hour import job from the backup MPEG2 files with the new decomb filter in Handbrake, and I might test CRQ h264 rather than 2-pass high bitrate MPEG4 (I'm concerned about the added power needed for working with h264 during editing, but I think for DVD/SD resultions it should be no problem). Only working in iMovie '08, of course, since they added support for all those flash memory cameras that use MPEG4, and I assume h264 will work fine since it supports AVCHD.

d21mike
Oct 6, 2008, 11:21 AM
Well... it's been several months, and I just thought this deserved to be brought back into the discussion again after ANOTHER AppleTV update came and went with no mention of support for home movies. This seems so strange to me... Apple continually pushes iLife as one of the major differences between Macs and PCs and the compatibility and interoperability between all of Apple's products.

Why in the world would Apple's only living room component completely ignore Apple's bundled home-movie making software? Why would AppleTV be able to work with iPhoto, but not with iMovie? :(

How about you? Would you use this feature?


P.S. I love my AppleTV, don't get me wrong. This simple change, however, would make all the difference for me!

I understand the direct link. But did you say earlier you are talking about the movies that are in mp4 format? In iTunes you can just "Add a Folder" under the Files Menu. And if you have iTunes setup to only add the link then your movies will still be stored in the iMovies Folder. Maybe not the same but would that be close?

mallbritton
Oct 6, 2008, 01:20 PM
Well... it's been several months, and I just thought this deserved to be brought back into the discussion again after ANOTHER AppleTV update came and went with no mention of support for home movies. This seems so strange to me... Apple continually pushes iLife as one of the major differences between Macs and PCs and the compatibility and interoperability between all of Apple's products.

Why in the world would Apple's only living room component completely ignore Apple's bundled home-movie making software? Why would AppleTV be able to work with iPhoto, but not with iMovie? :(

How about you? Would you use this feature?


P.S. I love my AppleTV, don't get me wrong. This simple change, however, would make all the difference for me!

Perhaps I'm just missing something here, but why don't you use the Share to iTunes option in the Share menu? You can choose the resolution, then iMovie '08 will export it to iTunes, then tag the movie in iTunes. It isn't necessary to use MetaX to tag your home movies, I suppose. But than again I may be misunderstanding.

Regards,
Michael

fivepoint
Oct 6, 2008, 01:59 PM
I understand the direct link. But did you say earlier you are talking about the movies that are in mp4 format? In iTunes you can just "Add a Folder" under the Files Menu. And if you have iTunes setup to only add the link then your movies will still be stored in the iMovies Folder. Maybe not the same but would that be close?

Perhaps I'm just missing something here, but why don't you use the Share to iTunes option in the Share menu? You can choose the resolution, then iMovie '08 will export it to iTunes, then tag the movie in iTunes. It isn't necessary to use MetaX to tag your home movies, I suppose. But than again I may be misunderstanding.

Regards,
Michael

I think the catch here... is that I don't want the files in iTunes. Just like photos, I don't consider my home movies to be iTunes material. I could put them in the movies section, but it would mess up my currently harmonious listing of hollywood movies. I could put them in the TV section, but they are not TV shows! iTunes devices should be able to see iMovie or movie folder content without having to import those files into the iTunes interface... just like with iPhoto.

I know that there are ways around this issue, and I sincerely appreciate everyone taking the time to share their workarounds, but at some point... I would hope that we wouldn't have to use a workaround! The whole idea of iLife is that anyone can do it. It makes things like movie editing, photo organizing, dvd making, easy and accessible for everyone! These workarounds are HARDLY simple enough for anyone to do... and they are all time consuming.

In the mean-time, I'm sure I'll go with the TV show solution and tag them all with MetaX... it's really a very decent solution... but I really can't wait until Apple gets on the ball and adds TRUE iMovie support to iTunes devices.

It's my #1 want from the next update! Please, someone from Apple, make this happen. :(

aristobrat
Oct 6, 2008, 02:11 PM
It's my #1 want from the next update! Please, someone from Apple, make this happen. :(
FWIW, what you're requesting seems like it'd require a change to the AppleTV software, along with changes to iMovie and iTunes.

Maybe something for this will be in the next iLife.

All it would take is an extra tab (in your AppleTV device screen in iTunes (and the iPHone screen, etc)) which allows you to put 'checks' next to the movies you want to sync with the device. Just like iPhoto. Videos with the correct size for that device, would show up, the rest would be grayed out.

mallbritton
Oct 6, 2008, 02:17 PM
I think the catch here... is that I don't want the files in iTunes.

That's what I wasn't understanding. Thanks. That makes sense.

Regards,
Michael

d21mike
Oct 6, 2008, 02:52 PM
That's what I wasn't understanding. Thanks. That makes sense.

Regards,
Michael

Just to be clear. My point was that the files are not physically in iTunes. Only a LINK to the files in iMovies. But I do understand the organizational and visual concerns. Also, there is an extra step to add the folder to iTunes.

mac2thefuture
Oct 6, 2008, 03:00 PM
Well... it's been several months, and I just thought this deserved to be brought back into the discussion again after ANOTHER AppleTV update came and went with no mention of support for home movies. This seems so strange to me... Apple continually pushes iLife as one of the major differences between Macs and PCs and the compatibility and interoperability between all of Apple's products.

Why in the world would Apple's only living room component completely ignore Apple's bundled home-movie making software? Why would AppleTV be able to work with iPhoto, but not with iMovie? :(

How about you? Would you use this feature?


P.S. I love my AppleTV, don't get me wrong. This simple change, however, would make all the difference for me!

I hear ya - I'd love this feature too

Nessy
Oct 7, 2008, 03:31 AM
I've gone about achieving this now in a bit of a bodged way but it works:

- Installed Boxee (very nice!).
- Installed NitoTV
- Installed 10.4.10 combo through NitoTV Smart Update
- Shared my iMovies folder with Guest access and SMB
- Added mount point in NitoTV

Can now browse through and watch my iMovie files on appleTV. Could not get AFP working hence SMB. No nice thumbnails etc. but at least it provides a way to finally watch memories on the ATV.

Still wanting apple to do this CORRECTLY but for now it will do.....

Here's hoping.

Albion
Oct 10, 2008, 02:05 PM
:apple:TV is strongly dependent on the itunes connection. The iphoto connection works not because the photos are in the pictures folder, but because iTunes was updated to facilitate the connection of personal photos. Now, it would be nice if Apple would add a lot of capabilities to :apple:TV, so that many of the (many) wishes about what :apple:TV could/should do could be granted, but whether they'll choose to ever get to any particular wish is always up in the air.

Here's another way to get closer to your wish.

When it comes organizing video so that they aren't in the one long "movies" list, you need to tag them as TV shows. With TV show tags, you have fairly good capabilities to organize content as you desire (though they still have to be managed by iTunes (and thus exported out of iMovie for this purpose).

Because, like you, I didn't want home moves mixed with (non home) movies, this is exactly what I did:
1. I tag all of my home movies as a TV Show (Get Info, Video tab, Video Kind- TV Show).
2. In the "Show" field, I put in Home Movie (for all home movies, NOT using distinct names in this field)
3. In the "Season" field, I put in the 4-digit year in which the home movie was shot (for example, 2008)
4. In the "Episode ID" field, I put in a 4-digit month/day (example: 0614 for June 14). If I don't know the exact date, I use best estimate.
5. In the "Episode Number" field, I put in an incremental episode number based upon when this video was shot vs. others shot in the same year. For example, if this is the 5th home movie I shot in 2008, the Episode Number will be 5).

6. In the "Info" tab, "Name" field, I punch in the name as I'd like it to be shown in :apple:TV. Unlike the "Show" field above, this is where individualized home movie names work best.
7. For "Artist" I use "Home Movies" (all of them are tagged this way- no distinct artist names).

8. Lastly, in the "Artwork" tab, I put in a nice tall image often culled from (iPhoto) photos taken at the same event in which the home movie was shot. If there are no photos available, I open the home movie in Quicktime, then screen grab it using the grab option in the Preview application. I always try to grab images that are about 2ce as tall as they are wide, much like movie posters. As such, when grabbing from QuickTime, I am cropping content from the sides so that I end up with an image that is taller than it is wide. To my eyes, these tend to look better in the :apple:TV equivalent of cover flow.

With them tagged as described above, they'll show up as a single line item (Home Movies) in TV Shows on :apple:TV. Clicking into that item will show them grouped by episode ID number, most recent to oldest home movie, with the names you entered in #6 as on-screen video descriptors). And if you tagged them as above (using 4-digit year for Season field), your movies will be split out as "seasons" by year, giving you a nice chronological organization to your home movies.

Over time your iMovie raw files will get dramatically larger and larger, always putting pressure on your readily-available hard drive storage situation. So rendering them down to H.264 will make it possible to have an "always available" copy of your home movies in relatively modest hard drive space. Then, you can move a relatively huge iMovie file offline (as in off your main accessible storage) when the day comes that you have so much iMovie video stored and not much room for more (readily available) hard drive storage.

I have nearly 2 terabytes of home movies in iMovie format (they do add up quickly). But they take only about 50gb as H.264, :apple:TV-ready videos available to iTunes.

Until Apple makes some meaningful adaptations to iTunes for better video tagging & organizing purposes, the above is the best way I've found to get fairly close to at least some of your objectives.

God I love this post! A question if I may. If one wanted to retain separate encodes of films or TV shows for ATV and for ipod (yes I know about using the ipod hi-rez setting in HB, but I still think it's a compromise for HDTV), would the above solution lend itself to retaining a separate folder in TV shows for iPod encodes of movies and tv series? This way your movies or TV show list on ATV wouldn't get clogged up with ipod only content, and would allow the ipod to selectively sync with only ipod capable content, rather than ATV content?

Of course it would mean giving up some of the menu functionality in the ipod as both movie and tv show content would be under TV shows, but I see no other way of not clogging up the ATV movie menu with ipod only content.

Regards