Confirmed (again!) O2 PAYG 8GB=£349.99 16GB=£399.99

[TonyHoyle]

Except that, on second thoughts ....

If the PAYG deal does indeed include the extra hundreds of minutes per month from a nominated postcode in return for topping-up by a certain amount each month, the comparison is not quite so straightforward.

So if, for example, £15 per month top up were sufficient to cover calls made from locations other than the nominated postcode, a 16Gb 'phone over 18 months would be marginally (£40) cheaper on PAYG than the £35 per month contract - and £10 per month cheaper every month thereafter.

Hmm .... clearly a bit harder to decide than I first thought! :confused:

I thought about trying to do a least cost calculator but don't have the time... plus I'm not sure my javascript is up to it. I chickened out and added the thresholds for the PayG tariff choices and left it up to the user to sort out!

btw. Calling once a week + Favourite place you get 150 minutes for £15 and 1000 minutes from your favourite place.
Calling every day gets you 60 minutes (2 minutes a day!) - so when you call is kinda critical.

[captain kaos]

Soooo,

Do we think tomorrow will be the official PAYG price release and pre order for delivery for the 11th!

Come on O2!

[CD3660]

Soooo,

Do we think tomorrow will be the official PAYG price release and pre order for delivery for the 11th!

Come on O2!
I find all this secrecy totally ridiculous, and extremely irritating.

What could be the possible harm in O2 putting their cards on the table?

[TonyHoyle]

I find all this secrecy totally ridiculous, and extremely irritating.

What could be the possible harm in O2 putting their cards on the table?

Loads of people deciding to go PayG rather than contract?

It actually wouldn't surprise me if they held back the PayG option for a couple of weeks, just for that reason.

[Nicholas.C]

Loads of people deciding to go PayG rather than contract?

It actually wouldn't surprise me if they held back the PayG option for a couple of weeks, just for that reason.

cus on o2 you top up £10 a month it costs you 10p per text = 100 txts

+ £15 top up txt msgs things?

it costs you less over time

[captain kaos]

Loads of people deciding to go PayG rather than contract?

It actually wouldn't surprise me if they held back the PayG option for a couple of weeks, just for that reason.

Ooo, i bet they do that. By the time they release the PAYG i would've gone and bought a blackberry! :D

[The Phazer]

I find all this secrecy totally ridiculous, and extremely irritating.

What could be the possible harm in O2 putting their cards on the table?

They will want all the information to be available on the marketing launch to maximise press coverage.

Exactly the same thing Apple does with the keynotes - why do you think Apple doesn't openly say "we're fixing x, y & z in the next firmware update" months in advance?

Phazer

[frosse]

Do you guys think that O2s PAYG's will be unlocked?

If not, how much do you think they will charge for unlocking?

[sk8mash]

Do you guys think that O2s PAYG's will be unlocked?

If not, how much do you think they will charge for unlocking?

It wont be unlocked, and they wont unlock it for any price.

Thats what I think.

[CD3660]

Do you guys think that O2s PAYG's will be unlocked?

If not, how much do you think they will charge for unlocking?

It will be locked to O2.

The best you can hope for (other than finding a free unlock on these forums) is that it will work with the excellent O2 Simplicity contracts.

[TomB88]

It will be locked to O2.

The best you can hope for (other than finding a free unlock on these forums) is that it will work with the excellent O2 Simplicity contracts.

Hear hear. I don't see why it shouldn't - you'd be paying the full PAYG cost of the handset, and you'd still be tied to O2 (probably paying on average more than a regular PAYG customer...)

[ajthomason]

Soooo,

Do we think tomorrow will be the official PAYG price release and pre order for delivery for the 11th!

Come on O2!

If they don't release the prices officially on the first... they are taking it too far. I understand that they want to keep them secret (although they seem to have failed) to check with all the other companies worldwide and to prepare the staff for questions, write T&Cs etc, but Tuesday 1st is the best day to release it - if Apple had anything to do with it anyway, they love Tuesdays! People do need a couple of weeks or so to think about these things and check if they can afford it, so any later than tomorrow and they will lose business.

[captain kaos]

If they don't release the prices officially on the first... they are taking it too far. I understand that they want to keep them secret (although they seem to have failed) to check with all the other companies worldwide and to prepare the staff for questions, write T&Cs etc, but Tuesday 1st is the best day to release it - if Apple had anything to do with it anyway, they love Tuesdays! People do need a couple of weeks or so to think about these things and check if they can afford it, so any later than tomorrow and they will lose business.

I agree. The only thing I'm now thinking is that if the first comes and goes with no news then they will be holding back the payg version for a while.

[ajthomason]

I agree. The only thing I'm now thinking is that if the first comes and goes with no news then they will be holding back the payg version for a while.

That does seem like a logical deduction - I hope that they don't as I want to buy one, but there are also rumours that they are holding back the 16GBs... so I'm screwed either way as I want to buy a Black 16GB PAYG on launch day! :cool:

[TomB88]

That does seem like a logical deduction - I hope that they don't as I want to buy one, but there are also rumours that they are holding back the 16GBs... so I'm screwed either way as I want to buy a Black 16GB PAYG on launch day! :cool:

Snap. I doubt they'll hold back the 16GB, but I guess it's possible that the PAYG model will be delayed in order to maximise contract sales. I really hope that isn't the case. We'll find out tomorrow with any luck.

[arcsbite]

it's the 1st of July....where the hell are the prices?!

...damn my impatience.

[captain kaos]

Snap. I doubt they'll hold back the 16GB, but I guess it's possible that the PAYG model will be delayed in order to maximise contract sales. I really hope that isn't the case. We'll find out tomorrow with any luck.

Snap x 2.

Im waiting for a PAYG 16gb.......and its the 1st july and still no pricing. They are going to hold it back, i can feel it in my water! :D

Seriously, if they do im tempted to say scre*w O2, i'll go off and spend the money on a 16gb 1st gen off ebay. At least it means O2 doesnt get my money! They're taking the pi*s now.
:mad:

[badgerman]

Snap x 2.

Im waiting for a PAYG 16gb.......and its the 1st july and still no pricing. They are going to hold it back, i can feel it in my water! :D

Seriously, if they do im tempted to say scre*w O2, i'll go off and spend the money on a 16gb 1st gen off ebay. At least it means O2 doesnt get my money! They're taking the pi*s now.
:mad:

Yep, I was expecting an email from O2 in my inbox this am saying exactly what the PAYG prices and tariffs are, the full contract details including T&C so we know if you can downgrade after 9 months and confirmation that we can preorder from today and get our credit checks done in advance and reserve our 16GB blacks for collection at 7:02:00 11.7.08.

But no, sweet FA :mad:

[alabastercodify]

I might be wrong (I hope I am), but the fact that it says 'available from 11th July' on the pay monthly page and 'coming soon' on the PAYG page suggests PAYG won't be available on 11th July.

[badgerman]

I might be wrong (I hope I am), but the fact that it says 'available from 11th July' on the pay monthly page and 'coming soon' on the PAYG page suggests PAYG won't be available on 11th July.

Yep, a few people have thought that, so that the initial rush is for contracts where O2 get more money.

So anyone been in to O2/CPW/Apple today? - whats the verdict?

[a456]

I might be wrong (I hope I am), but the fact that it says 'available from 11th July' on the pay monthly page and 'coming soon' on the PAYG page suggests PAYG won't be available on 11th July.

If they do delay too long then I may well put my iPhone purchase on hold for another year. One of the main reasons I want one is so that I can be away from my desk/home during the summer without fear of missing important emails. If the iPhone is not available as a Pay & Go before August, I will opt for a 3G PAYG broadband modem from 3 Mobile for my 12" Powerbook and then wait for the price drops and the 32 GB version. IT'S UP TO YOU O2!!!!

[captain kaos]

Yep, a few people have thought that, so that the initial rush is for contracts where O2 get more money.

So anyone been in to O2/CPW/Apple today? - whats the verdict?

I haven't been into an Apple reseller since saturday (went to find a new macbook power supply as mine had burnt out............but thats another thread!)

While i was there i asked about iphones and either the guy knew absolutely nothing or was a very good actor he said "If they do a PAYG phone then we'll probably be selling them"

But then he did go on to ask me how much they were which shocked me as if you're working for an Apple reseller you should have your finger on the pulse at least a bit and i knew more than him. This could lead onto either A) i spend far to much time on these forums, or B) the level of knowledge needed to work in a store!

I personally dont think its the 1st option, as i can give up these forums anytime i want......honestly!:D:D

[a456]

When you think about it the O2 prices were posted last Wednesday, less than a week ago but it seems like three weeks.

All we can do is to keep the pressure on O2 by making sure these prices and the Pay & Go option is widely known about. They will then have very little room to manoeuvre and we will all get the phones we want.

Perhaps we should start emailing O2 as well to ask for more info and asking if the details they published the other day were correct - anyone have a good email address for the company.

[captain kaos]

I've just sent some questions through to O2 via their online form, but you can only do this if you're already an O2 customer as its asks for your mobile number if you are contract or your last top up date if you're PAYG.

Doubt i'll get a reply!:mad:

[captain kaos]

I know its treading water, but as well as not releasing PAYG prices why the hell have O2 taken away the contract price info?

I mean, what are they really scared of here?

[alFR]

I know its treading water, but as well as not releasing PAYG prices why the hell have O2 taken away the contract price info?

I mean, what are they really scared of here?

er, the contract prices are still there.... :confused:

[captain kaos]

er, the contract prices are still there.... :confused:

When i click on pay monthly then the tariff tab all i get is the "spinning wheel". The pay monthly page does still say that the iphone will be free on xyz tariffs but the tariff page doesn't load.

[captain kaos]

I suppose the only thing to hold onto is the bit on both CPWH and O2 PAYG holding page that says they will be getting in touch early july if you register your interest.......so maybe we'll hear something this week?!

[a456]

I know its treading water, but as well as not releasing PAYG prices why the hell have O2 taken away the contract price info?

I mean, what are they really scared of here?

What? It's still up there.

[a456]

I suppose the only thing to hold onto is the bit on both CPWH and O2 PAYG holding page that says they will be getting in touch early july if you register your interest.......so maybe we'll hear something this week?!

Or maybe before the 16th July.

[captain kaos]

Or maybe before the 16th July.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what happens on july 16th?

[captain kaos]

So the states have woken up on the 1st with info on their PAYG pricing.

Where is ours O2!!!!:mad:

[captain kaos]

And as soon as i wrote that last note i've just received a text from O2.

" O2: Apple Iphone 3g lands 11/07. We will text you shortly before with order details. As demand is very high, orders will be on a 1st come 1st served basis.":D

[captain kaos]

So i recieved a reply from O2 via their online web contact form. Nothing exciting and also really bad grammar! Seems like they are no where near to letting the cat out of the bag!

"Hello,

Thanks for emailing us about the cost of the iPhone 3G on our Pay & Go plan.

I'm sorry but at present we don't have any information that when we'll be releasing the cost and the launch date of the iPhone 3G on our Pay & Go Plan. We also don't have the information if we'll launch the 16Gb iPhone 3G on our Pay & Go plan.

You can register your interests in our iPhone 3G by clicking on the link below:

http://iphone.o2.co.uk/registeryourinterest/

After you've registered your interests, we'll contact you in early July to tell you about the new iPhone 3G.

I hope you'll find this information useful and many thanks for your keen interest in the iPhone 3G. Please visit our website using the link www.o2.co.uk/iphone for the most up to date information on iPhone.

Important - When you email us please provide: your date of birth, postcode and mobile number as it helps us answer your query faster.

Kind regards,

Sushil Sharma
O2 Customer Service."

[a456]

Sorry for my ignorance, but what happens on july 16th?

Well that's as far as I figure "early July" can realistically be stretched, i.e. to its midpoint. Whenever we hear late March, or late October, etc. at the moment it ends up be the very final day.

[alabastercodify]

Is this the most botched release of a product ever? They published the prices, then took them down again. None of the staff in O2 seem to know what's going on. Some seem to think the PAYG will definitely be released on 11th. Now this strange email stating they don't even know if the 16 gig will be on PAYG. I've had enough of O2 already and I haven't even signed up with them yet.

[TonyHoyle]

I missed the 'if' there.. read it as 'when'.

So there's now a suggestion that they might not even release the 16gb on payG at all? WTF?

I've seen clown acts with more coordination than these guys...

[johnnyi]

This is really annoying me and 02 are really unorganized with this.It is now 9 days until the launch we don't know anything about pay as you go,what phones will be available on the day,what to do,what time stores are opening(confirmed),We do not no anything at all, what it happening :apple: and 02 come-one get your finger out your **** and get it sorted please !.

I still love :apple: though.

Regards
Jonathan

[captain kaos]

I know!

At the moment it looks like O2 couldn't organise a row of chairs! The last bit of hope im holding onto is that they've had so many queries that they're now just giving everyone the same answer and all staff have been told to deny all knowledge, but yes a very cr*p way of running a company and a major phone release. It seems to me O2 still haven't got the idea that the iphone is a different kind of phone release and they are just going about their usual clumsy way. But again, they also know they're the only carrier so they probably dont give a sh*t.

[captain kaos]

So after the email i recieved from O2 today and the fact they don't seem to know what is going on, im now very tempted to get a 16gb 1st gen iphone from ebay.

Has anyone done this? What should i look out for (apart from the obvious ebay things).

I know this means i'll be stuck with 1.14 (until someone hacks v2?!) and i wont have gps or mobilme and slightly less battery life, but apart from that im finding it hard to think why else i'd go for a 3g. I know the speed difference between 2/3g but i can probably live with that!

I really wanted to get a 3g (as i didnt go for the 1st gen) but the thought of the 11th coming and going with still no PAYG 3g iphone and even at that point maybe no info about when it may turn up and then it might only be the 8gb version is all a bit depressing!:(

Any thoughts?

[sananda]

well captain kaos, i'm pretty much regretting selling my iphone so i know where you're coming from.

[TonyHoyle]

If you're wavering wait anyway... it's only 8 days and after that you'll know precisely what O2 are selling.

Also there's some indication that we'll know more on Friday.

[CD3660]

So after the email i recieved from O2 today and the fact they don't seem to know what is going on, im now very tempted to get a 16gb 1st gen iphone from ebay.

Has anyone done this? What should i look out for (apart from the obvious ebay things).

I know this means i'll be stuck with 1.14 (until someone hacks v2?!) and i wont have gps or mobilme and slightly less battery life, but apart from that im finding it hard to think why else i'd go for a 3g. I know the speed difference between 2/3g but i can probably live with that!

I really wanted to get a 3g (as i didnt go for the 1st gen) but the thought of the 11th coming and going with still no PAYG 3g iphone and even at that point maybe no info about when it may turn up and then it might only be the 8gb version is all a bit depressing!:(

Any thoughts?
Be patient. It is frustrating the way that O2 are handling this but there isn't long to go, and if you get a V.1 16GB on eBay it is not likely to be cheap and my guess is that you will regret not having waited.

[captain kaos]

well captain kaos, i'm pretty much regretting selling my iphone so i know where you're coming from.

ouch! Who would have thought a few months ago we'd be thinking of going back to the 1st gen......not great for a company such as Apple, not that its their fault, but more to do with the carriers (O2, im looking at you!)

[captain kaos]

If you're wavering wait anyway... it's only 8 days and after that you'll know precisely what O2 are selling.

Also there's some indication that we'll know more on Friday.

Friday? have you heard something? :)

[TonyHoyle]

Just the usual rumours. Friday 4th crops up occasionally. It's a week from launch, may be the date that the PayG prices appear (or may not) and may be the date that O2 will actually give concrete information (or may not).

[captain kaos]

Be patient. It is frustrating the way that O2 are handling this but there isn't long to go, and if you get a V.1 16GB on eBay it is not likely to be cheap and my guess is that you will regret not having waited.

Its going to be about £340 for a 16gb V1 !:eek: And i can see them going up if we dont get a good result with the PAYG 3g!

[captain kaos]

Just the usual rumours. Friday 4th crops up occasionally. It's a week from launch, may be the date that the PayG prices appear (or may not) and may be the date that O2 will actually give concrete information (or may not).

Hhmm, If friday comes and goes with no info then the PAYG is definitely going to be delayed!:(

[sananda]

i used my old iphone with o2 pay and go and it worked out pretty well. i have a pay and go tariff called talk anytime. when i top up £10, i get 50 anytime mins. i hardly ever used more than the 50 mins per month and i topped up every month so i could pay for the £7.50 internet bolt on. now those 50 free anytime mins make all the difference to pay and go being viable for me. whereas with the new pay and go tariffs, i'll only get off-peak mins. so i'll actually be paying for daytime minutes. and at 25p per minute for the first two mins.

[CD3660]

Its going to be about £340 for a 16gb V1 !:eek:
Yes. I sold a three-month old 16GB on eBay a few weeks ago for £350.

It was in excellent condition though. It was also unlocked and was fitted with a BSE skin and Power Support Crystal Film screen protector.

[TonyHoyle]

i used my old iphone with o2 pay and go and it worked out pretty well. i have a pay and go tariff called talk anytime. when i top up £10, i get 50 anytime mins. i hardly ever used more than the 50 mins per month and i topped up every month so i could pay for the £7.50 internet bolt on. now those 50 free anytime mins make all the difference to pay and go being viable for me. whereas with the new pay and go tariffs, i'll only get off-peak mins. so i'll actually be paying for daytime minutes. and at 25p per minute for the first two mins.

Are you in one place mainly during the day? Favourite place might work out cheaper for you.

[captain kaos]

Yes. I sold a three-month old 16GB on eBay a few weeks ago for £350.

It was in excellent condition though. It was also unlocked and was fitted with a BSE skin and Power Support Crystal Film screen protector.

The way i look at it (and i can talk myself into buying anything shiny!) is that if they release the 16gb PAYG 3g it'll be £360....and by the sounds of it thats a big if! And at least i know an ebay'd 1st gen will work with my O2 contract SIM and i can get hold of one without selling my soul!

[captain kaos]

iPhonic, although not exactly the fastest at updating its iphone 3g news, has a story that says they think its unlikely we'll get the PAYG iphone on the 11th.:

http://www.iphonic.tv/2008/07/o2_expects_high_demand_for_iph.html#more


great.

[Nicholas.C]

I spoke to o2 today and they said it'll be £300 £400 for the 16gb tops.

[johnnyi]

I spoke to o2 today and they said it'll be £300 £400 for the 16gb tops.

They Prices were accidentally released last week

8gb - £299
16gb - £359

6 months free internet then £10 after that

[CD3660]

....i can talk myself into buying anything shiny!
You too eh? ;)

[sananda]

Are you in one place mainly during the day? Favourite place might work out cheaper for you.

i am mainly in one place during the day (and use the landline) but its the odd phone call every now and then when out which were taken care of so well by the 50 anytime minutes.

[razorianfly]

They Prices were accidentally released last week

8gb - £299
16gb - £359

I don't think these prices were released accidentally.

If anything, I think o2 decided to build mass hysteria surrounding the PAYG model. ;)

R-Fly

[johnnyi]

I suppose maybe they might lower the price. Good marketing strategy. Just release to see what people think about the prices then put them down. God I wish I worked for 02 could find out all the info.

Jonathan

[Vald]

This price includes unlimited browsing and Wi-Fi for the first 6 months after you activate your iPhone, but does require a £10/month plan to continue after that time.

im sorry, but i dont understand this part quite well

if i buy iphone3g in GB w/o a contract (with this pay-and-go thing) will i still be able to use Wi-Fi in another country?

[iSimx]

they better not raise the price of the 8gb model from the "accidently" released prices... :rolleyes:

[CD3660]

im sorry, but i dont understand this part quite well

if i buy iphone3g in GB w/o a contract (with this pay-and-go thing) will i still be able to use Wi-Fi in another country?

Yes

[Vald]

Yes

even after the first 6 months ?

sorry for asking so much... :T

[Nicholas.C]

even after the first 6 months ?

sorry for asking so much... :T

No.

[CD3660]

even after the first 6 months ?

sorry for asking so much... :T

You can use the iPhone on wi-fi anytime you want as long as wi-fi is available, whether it is free or something you have to pay for.

The free 6 month wi-fi service included in the O2 PAYG model is not available abroad.

[MrT8064]

even after the first 6 months ?

sorry for asking so much... :T

The free 6 month wifi just refers to The Cloud and BT Openzone wireless, i used an unlocked iPhone last year and still found a few free hotspots around the place (e.g. Mc Donalds)

[AnonymousOne]

I've just set my sights on getting the 8gb 3g Iphone but £300 is alot of money. Im a student and Im just learning to drive so it will hit my pocket hard. But hopefully it will be worth it. :)

[captain kaos]

Soooo, second time around, who thinks well hear anything about PAYG tomorrow from O2?

Friday has to be crunch time. If no news i think we're looking at a big gap (of at least a month) between the contract release and the PAYG. :(

[CD3660]

I think that they would be very foolish not to release the PAYG on the 11th of July, and the more they delay the release, the more they will lose out to imports from abroad.

[captain kaos]

I think that they would be very foolish not to release the PAYG on the 11th of July, and the more they delay the release, the more they will lose out to imports from abroad.

Hhmm, true, but in my experience there's foolish and then there's O2!

[CD3660]

Hhmm, true, but in my experience there's foolish and then there's O2!

So true, but there are faint indications that the patient is on the mend: Remember the original iPhone tariffs?. :D

[captain kaos]

I think all we're going to get tomorrow are more details concerning the contract phones. I'd love to be shown to be wrong on this, but if we want PAYG in both models (as im waiting for!) i think we have a long drawn out wait thanks to O2 's thinking of how to handle such a big launch!:mad:

[captain kaos]

So true, but there are faint indications that the patient is on the mend: Remember the original iPhone tariffs?. :D

I hope your right! I suppose the one saving grace for them is that this time it looks like the UK is finally is getting a good deal, with the states and canada below us!.

BUT, if the PAYG pricing comes back more expensive than the leak then there'll be hell to pay! and they still could string out the release of them. Im thinking they will delay the PAYG's to get more people on board contracts. There will be some fanatical people wanting an iphone on the 11th that will just sign up for anything to be one of the first. After that has died down then they're bring out the PAYG and my thinking a 2 week gap from contract to PAYG is not enough (2 weeks and people will just wait, so more like a month or 6 week gap).

[captain kaos]

I know im going to be on the web as soon as im up checking the O2 site!
Come on O2!!!!!!!!!!!:)

[badgerman]

I know im going to be on the web as soon as im up checking the O2 site!
Come on O2!!!!!!!!!!!:)

Are you just chatting to your self in excitement in my thread? ;)

[CD3660]

Are you just chatting to your self in excitement in my thread? ;)
Mad murmurrings more like! :eek:

[captain kaos]

Are you just chatting to your self in excitement in my thread? ;)

Yes. Well its been a quiet news day on this thread today, no-one else to talk to! Plus its a good opportunity to get my post numbers up!

[captain kaos]

Mad murmurrings more like! :eek:

Correct. This whole waiting game over the last 3 months has driven me to the edge of insanity!

[CD3660]

Correct. This whole waiting game over the last 3 months has driven me to the edge of insanity!
Believe me, the next week will feel like another three months! :D

[ajthomason]

Believe me, the next week will feel like another three months! :D

I don't mind waiting the week... it's just the thought of the 3 month wait to get my PAYG 16GB iPhone 3G! (Yes... I know (well, I hope...) that I'm exaggerating and taking the pessimistic approach). :cool:

[captain kaos]

I don't mind waiting the week... it's just the thought of the 3 month wait to get my PAYG 16GB iPhone 3G! (Yes... I know (well, I hope...) that I'm exaggerating and taking the pessimistic approach). :cool:

Im the same. If it is a big wait for the PAYG im getting a blackburry! Or a 1st gen 16gb iphone.....not sure which, but im certainly not giving O2 any money if they play that game!

[ajthomason]

Im the same. If it is a big wait for the PAYG im getting a blackburry! Or a 1st gen 16gb iphone.....not sure which, but im certainly not giving O2 any money if they play that game!

Seriously? I'd have thought that you'd give in and go contract... the amount of posts you have made in this forum... it seems like you really want an iPhone 3G! :)

[captain kaos]

Seriously? I'd have thought that you'd give in and go contract... the amount of posts you have made in this forum... it seems like you really want an iPhone 3G! :)

I was really excited about the 3g, religiously since march/april, but im getting so bored of the wait till the 11th and the possibility of no PAYG for a long time! Im now so bored im thinking of the blackberry as it will also do email on the move, but then i only do Mac at home so the syncing will be an ar*e im sure!

But as contracts go, i cant do them. I cant upgrade my phone till october, and in the new year im probably off to Oz so there's no reason to sign up for another 18 months, so unfortunatley PAYG is the only route.....and as i like shiny expensive :apple: things to much (dam you steve jobs!) i have to have it now!

[ajthomason]

I was really excited about the 3g, religiously since march/april, but im getting so bored of the wait till the 11th and the possibility of no PAYG for a long time! Im now so bored im thinking of the blackberry as it will also do email on the move, but then i only do Mac at home so the syncing will be an ar*e im sure!

But as contracts go, i cant do them. I cant upgrade my phone till october, and in the new year im probably off to Oz so there's no reason to sign up for another 18 months, so unfortunatley PAYG is the only route.....and as i like shiny expensive :apple: things to much (dam you steve jobs!) i have to have it now!

Fair enough then. I don't want a contract, and have worked out that it would be cheaper for me not to have one, so I will probably just stick to my crappy Windows Smartphone (Don't laugh - I bought it way before I had a mac). If it's too long, then I will have to sign a £30 contract... but will wait a couple of weeks to see if people have hacked / unlocked a foreign iPhone or have found a way to buy the one over here without activating in store.

I'm not willing to sacrifice the space or colour though - If they don't have any 16GB Black ones, I'm not buying.

[captain kaos]

Fair enough then. I don't want a contract, and have worked out that it would be cheaper for me not to have one, so I will probably just stick to my crappy Windows Smartphone (Don't laugh - I bought it way before I had a mac). If it's too long, then I will have to sign a £30 contract... but will wait a couple of weeks to see if people have hacked / unlocked a foreign iPhone or have found a way to buy the one over here without activating in store.

I'm not willing to sacrifice the space or colour though - If they don't have any 16GB Black ones, I'm not buying.

I've got my plan of a PAYG and putting my contract O2 sim in then adding unlimited web to the contract till it runs out in january, then decide what to do depending where in the world i am! But it's a good idea to let the mob/guinea pigs go after the new phone next friday and see what happens! And it does have to be 16gb white or black for me...i can see all those nice Apps really adding up and i already have 16gb of music cut down for my ipod touch.

[iSimx]

I've just received an email from the carphone warehouse saying when the launch date is etc. etc. anyway in small writing it says "Please note, iPhone 3G is initially available on pay monthly contract only."

..... I hope that doesn't apply at the o2 stores.. :confused:

[TonyHoyle]

IMO that's clutching at straws. I think it's contract or wait a few weeks/months now.

I half expected it.. it's more money for them if they can get people on contracts.

[CD3660]

I've just received an email from the carphone warehouse saying when the launch date is etc. etc. anyway in small writing it says "Please note, iPhone 3G is initially available on pay monthly contract only."

..... I hope that doesn't apply at the o2 stores.. :confused:

Can you post a copy so that we can all see it?

[TonyHoyle]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=510393

[CD3660]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=510393

Thanks for that.

[iSimx]

yes that was it... that's really disappointing. But I'm still going to wait for the pay & go model. Not going to give in!

[pauld]

I've just received an email from the carphone warehouse saying when the launch date is etc. etc. anyway in small writing it says "Please note, iPhone 3G is initially available on pay monthly contract only."

..... I hope that doesn't apply at the o2 stores.. :confused:

I asked in the Hackney O2 store just over an hour ago and the attendant seemed very certain that there would be no chance of PAYG on the 11th.

[modelbehaviour]

I got the same email from carphone warehouse, however I also emailed O2 customer service the day before and got this reply;

Hello _____,

Thanks for your email about the fantastic iPhone 3G.

I'm pleased to tell you _____, the iPhone 3G will be available on the Pay & Go network from next Friday, 11 July 2008. Unfortunately, I don't have any further information about the cost of the phone or the amount you'll need to Top-Up each month to use the amazing services that this phone has to offer. Please click on the link below for more information:

http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paygo

I'm thinking maybe CPW won't have it but the O2 store will? It's a possibility.

[iSimx]

There's hope!

Anyway I've emailed o2 mentioning what the carphone warehouse said and asked whether it applies to the o2 stores... but I doubt I'll get a proper answer

[alabastercodify]

For F***'s sake. This is just getting stupid now. I don't even mind waiting a couple of weeks, I just want to know what is going on.

[captain kaos]

I f***ing knew they'd pull this stunt!. Thats it, i've had enough!

Plus it shows how with it CPWH and O2 is as i've also signed up for info at both places for both iphone options and i havent received and email.:mad:

[ajthomason]

For F***'s sake. This is just getting stupid now. I don't even mind waiting a couple of weeks, I just want to know what is going on.

The one thing that this whole ordeal has made clear is that O2 cannot be trusted and they care more about money than about their customers. If you ask at different stores you will get different replies (I have not actually tried, but from the posts on this forum) - There is no real reason why they cannot give you PAYG, except greed, and they have completely failed to organise this event... come on! talk to your staff and tell them what is going on!

[captain kaos]

The one thing that this whole ordeal has made clear is that O2 cannot be trusted and they care more about money than about their customers. If you ask at different stores you will get different replies (I have not actually tried, but from the posts on this forum) - There is no real reason why they cannot give you PAYG, except greed, and they have completely failed to organise this event... come on! talk to your staff and tell them what is going on!

The other problem of course is that the O2 store on the street isnt technically O2 and is different to the online O2, so know wonder they dont know their ar*e from their elbow!

[WellRedd]

The one thing that this whole ordeal has made clear is that O2 cannot be trusted and they care more about money than about their customers.


Hold the front page! A company cares more about money than their customers!

No shi*, Sherlock!

This thread is ridiculous, certain people (no names mentioned, captain kaos) really need to get out a bit more, breathe the fresh air and enjoy the sunshine a bit while it lasts. O2 can do whatever they want and they will sell millions of these things, they're not going to lose any sales worth speaking about over this. Too many people are getting their knickers in a twist over what is probably a marketing stunt, or a mistake. Both are pretty normal human behaviour. If you are that wound up by this enough to go get a Blackberry, go ahead, I'm pretty sure you'll regret it though.
[posted in colour so as to confuse the aforementioned Captain] ;)

[ajthomason]

Hold the front page! A company cares more about money than their customers!

No shi*, Sherlock!

This thread is ridiculous, certain people (no names mentioned, captain kaos) really need to get out a bit more, breathe the fresh air and enjoy the sunshine a bit while it lasts. O2 can do whatever they want and they will sell millions of these things, they're not going to lose any sales worth speaking about over this. Too many people are getting their knickers in a twist over what is probably a marketing stunt, or a mistake. Both are pretty normal human behaviour. If you are that wound up by this enough to go get a Blackberry, go ahead, I'm pretty sure you'll regret it though.
[posted in colour so as to confuse the aforementioned Captain] ;)


I would say that was a productive post, but I'd be lying. Sure, there are some people who spend way too much time on this forum, but that doesn't actually matter to you.

So, let's get this straight, you're happy that you're being kept in the dark about how and when to give a company your money? I want to buy an iPhone 3G, but I don't see why the company to whom I am happy to give my £360 is refusing to tell me when I can give it to them.

[moabon.rob]

Of course the other option is that PAYG is an o2 online exclusive (at least, for a while) - which would tie in with the Pay and Go tariffs mentioned in the first few posts of this thread; they are all "o2 online" tariffs/sims (the get 300 free texts/month etc)... I know, because I'm currently on said 300 free texts/month for £10/month.

[AnonymousOne]

LOL. A O2 rep at my local store told my mum that the iPhone was being released on the 13th. Shows how much they know.

[razorianfly]

LOL. A O2 rep at my local store told my mum that the iPhone was being released on the 13th. Shows how much they know.

Ugh, O2 really should have informed ALL of thier retail stores by now.

Not knowing the release date of a semi-global product,
which launches in less than 8 days, is damn right shameful.

Especially seeing as thought that product is the iPhone 3G.

R-Fly

[WellRedd]

Maybe not productive, I was being facetious. Was there anything productive in your post, or in many of the posts in this thread?

I'm not being kept in the dark and no-one else here is; the phone isn't available to buy yet, and there's no obligation on O2 to tell people before the date. When it is in the shops, it will have a price label attached, you can make your decision then. My point is that this is a storm in a teacup, and some people are taking it way too seriously.

[captain kaos]

Hold the front page! A company cares more about money than their customers!

No shi*, Sherlock!

This thread is ridiculous, certain people (no names mentioned, captain kaos) really need to get out a bit more, breathe the fresh air and enjoy the sunshine a bit while it lasts. O2 can do whatever they want and they will sell millions of these things, they're not going to lose any sales worth speaking about over this. Too many people are getting their knickers in a twist over what is probably a marketing stunt, or a mistake. Both are pretty normal human behaviour. If you are that wound up by this enough to go get a Blackberry, go ahead, I'm pretty sure you'll regret it though.
[posted in colour so as to confuse the aforementioned Captain] ;)


Get back in your hole newbie

[WellRedd]

I'd rather get my hole, thanks :)

[captain kaos]

I'd rather get my hole, thanks :)

If you havent got anything productive to say do bother saying anything.

[CD3660]

Now, now boys! It's getting late, it's been a very long day, and you're probably getting tired and emotional. ;)

[WellRedd]

If you havent got anything productive to say do bother saying anything.

FFS, maybe you should take some of your own advice.

Sorry for expressing an opinion and all that, I thought this was a public discussion forum.

[ajthomason]

Now, now boys! It's getting late, it's ben a very long day, and you're probably getting tired and emotional. ;)

:D

[badgerman]

FFS, maybe you should take some of your own advice.

Sorry for expressing an opinion and all that, I thought this was a public discussion forum.

Chill Wiston. Dont you be trolling in my thread.

[WellRedd]

I wasn't trolling, just making an observation, have apologised to the captain in PM, as I didn't mean for him to take offence, I was merely trying to be funny.

[craigp]

OK, look. Let's exercise some restraint and get some perspective here. I'm just as pissed off as the next person that O2 aren't offering PAYG iPhones on release day, but the fact of the matter is that it looks like they're not.

Don't get me wrong, I think the iPhone 3G is a great device, but if you've already got a 1st-gen iPhone, the new one isn't going to revolutionise your world. There are some nice things that make it worth an upgrade, but there's nothing new in it that should cause people to get this hot under the collar. IMO, the AppStore is probably the coolest thing on the new iPhone, but we'll be able to get that too!

Personally, I do think O2 have handled this badly. I'm not in a position to take on another contract right now (almost anyone already in a contract is going to be in the same position), so PAYG was the only option for me. I am on an O2 contract, but not an iPhone O2 contract. I signed up for the updates on their PAYG website and was recently sent a text message telling me to await some exciting new news. As it turns out, this exciting new news seems to be that I'm going to have to wait even longer for the device - which in itself is particularly bad planning and management.

So, what we - the disgruntled few - need to do now is come up with the best way to stick it to O2 that we can think of. My 2p's worth is that O2 will only be making a few quid on the PAYG iPhone, and they're expecting to make it up elsewhere on the actual calls. So, when O2 do deem us worthy enough to have a PAYG iPhone, we should buy it, activate and unlock it, and then fuk off to a different network, flicking O2 the bird as we go.

[craigp]

Oh, and to the OP: maybe you should change the title of this thread. It's almost certain that it isn't the official PAYG prices.

[stomer]

It's my birthday on the 9th and I had said to my wife that I'd like to have an iPhone on the 11th (PAYG of course). With the lack of information and disinformation I've given up on wanting an iPhone, I got a nice DSLR camera instead.

I get the feeling that Apple have essentially abandoned their customers and left them to the likes of O2 and CPW. Both of whom must be literally salivating at having been given a highly desirable product to sell and allowed carte blanche regarding how they sell it.

If CPW is correct and PAYG isn't available at launch, then they obviously don't give a **** about the customers who want to buy it on PAYG. They just want to grab as much contract sales as possible before putting PAYG on sale. There's no way I'd ever sign a contract with a company who treats its customers with such contempt.


So, when O2 do deem us worthy enough to have a PAYG iPhone, we should buy it, activate and unlock it, and then fuk off to a different network, flicking O2 the bird as we go.

Precisely what I'm going to do.

[captain kaos]

The bad news got to me yetserday......how has it come to this!

Anyway, it looks like CPW has decided not to sell the iphone on PAYG, so hopefully and its only a small hope, is that O2 see this and decide to take this bit of news and look to gain some CPW PAYG customers and sell the iphone next week. O2 havent yet said they not selling PAYG next week and also there's the apple resellers (as mentioned earlier in this tread) that could also sell it (it makes sence to do this, its their product and PAYG would be easy to set up).

It could be right that O2 shops and online have a deal that they have a head start on PAYG, with CPW at a later date.

[redgaz26]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=510785


you better read this isn't looking to good for you guys

[zainjetha]

Whatever happens, im waiting for the PAYG, throwing out the o2 SIM, unlocking it and sticking in my lovely Orange SIM.. I'm sure anybody who buys the iPhone3gPAYG on o2 is doing it because they want the handset and not o2's PAYG service..

[zainjetha]

Just read this on a brand new thread...

________________________________________
O2 stores being kitted out & genius bar info.
I'm currently in my local shopping centre. The o2 store is currently being fitted with 3g iPhone stands and posters. Photos to come later. Interestingly it says "pay as you go version due later this year" which cements the rumours that it isn't available at launch.

[alFR]

I get the feeling that Apple have essentially abandoned their customers and left them to the likes of O2 and CPW. Both of whom must be literally salivating at having been given a highly desirable product to sell and allowed carte blanche regarding how they sell it.

I'm sure that had the original iPhone been just another Nokia (or whoever) product we wouldn't have seen O2 putting in the support for visual voicemail and offering unlimited data plans. Apple surely had a hand in that.

[a456]

Whatever happens, im waiting for the PAYG, throwing out the o2 SIM, unlocking it and sticking in my lovely Orange SIM.. I'm sure anybody who buys the iPhone3gPAYG on o2 is doing it because they want the handset and not o2's PAYG service..

I'll take the six months of unlimited data and see how much I use it versus Wi-Fi then make the decision of whether to carry on.

If discussion at http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=510785 is true, however, I may well rethink getting an iPhone altogether. Since I don't like being messed about by companies.

[alFR]

If discussion at http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=510785 is true, however, I may well rethink getting an iPhone altogether. Since I don't like being messed about by companies.

How are they messing you about? O2 have never officially announced when PAYG will be available, it's all been rumours and assumption that it'll be available on the 11th. Even the leak a couple of weeks ago only showed the prices, not a release date. I agree that it's bad business for them not to launch it alongside the contracts, but they've never actually promised to do that.

If you really want to "stick it to the man" I'd wait for the PAYG, use the 6mo data and then unlock (as you suggest) rather than not getting the phone at all.

[stomer]

Just read this on a brand new thread...
________________________________________
O2 stores being kitted out & genius bar info.
I'm currently in my local shopping centre. The o2 store is currently being fitted with 3g iPhone stands and posters. Photos to come later. Interestingly it says "pay as you go version due later this year" which cements the rumours that it isn't available at launch.
According to macbidouille.com, Mobistar (the Belgian mobile operator) have cancelled their scheduled press conference where it was supposed to announce details regarding the iPhone.

Belgium law stipulates that mobile operators cannot bundle contracts and phones together. I believe phones are also sold unlocked there.

[captain kaos]

Whatever happens, im waiting for the PAYG, throwing out the o2 SIM, unlocking it and sticking in my lovely Orange SIM.. I'm sure anybody who buys the iPhone3gPAYG on o2 is doing it because they want the handset and not o2's PAYG service..

Well, kind of. I want to put my O2 SIM in to carry on with my contract till jan 09, but my feelings towards O2 at the moment is that i want to flip them the finger so yes, i may well hack it and give my monthly top up to someone else!

[CD3660]

I'm sure that had the original iPhone been just another Nokia (or whoever) product we wouldn't have seen O2 putting in the support for visual voicemail and offering unlimited data plans. Apple surely had a hand in that.

Fair point.


If you really want to "stick it to the man" I'd wait for the PAYG, use the 6mo data and then unlock (as you suggest) rather than not getting the phone at all.
Another fair point.

[a456]

How are they messing you about? O2 have never officially announced when PAYG will be available, it's all been rumours and assumption that it'll be available on the 11th.

By messing about, I mean messing us all about by making the error of leaking information and then pretending it never happened. Keeping the PAYG up but refusing to discuss it and say, for example, we are hoping to provide the service in a couple of months, etc. but can't guarantee it. What does "soon" mean? Absolutely nothing. They are hedging their bets. They'll see how many contracts come forward and then when there are left overs these will be sold to the poor and miserly Pay & Go customers. Sure, they want to make money, but don't treat potential customers as second class. After all, all that upfront cash is not to be sneezed at, even if in the long term the contracts are more lucrative.

[captain kaos]

If discussion at http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=510785 is true, however, I may well rethink getting an iPhone altogether. Since I don't like being messed about by companies.

Im with you on this one. Im all for taking my custom away from a company that takes the p***s, even if it means not having the new iphone.

[a456]

Im with you on this one. Im all for taking my custom away from a company that takes the p***s, even if it means not having the new iphone.

If they can keep us waiting for the phone, then I can wait even longer for a price drop and the 32 GB. It's up to them.

[a456]

Has anyone seen this Electric Pig article: http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2008/07/03/apple-slams-uk-as-iphone-unlock-capital/

They reckon Apple want £349 for the 8GB iPhone, and that O2 are fighting for £299. Not sure I believe the article's arguments though.

[TonyHoyle]

Yes we have.. and it's just some lame ass website trying to drive up hits. If they'd had this 'insider' information they claim they'd have known there wasn't going to be a PayG for a while, and said that.

All it's done for them is put electricpig on the 'ignore.. makes stuff up' category. Even places like macrumors (which is after all a rumour site) try to verify their stories.

[CD3660]

Has anyone seen this Electric Pig article: http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2008/07/03/apple-slams-uk-as-iphone-unlock-capital/

They reckon Apple want £349 for the 8GB iPhone, and that O2 are fighting for £299. Not sure I believe the article's arguments though.

Yes, the article is rubbish. Clearly not true!

[sananda]

They reckon Apple want £349 for the 8GB iPhone, and that O2 are fighting for £299.

i must be missing something because i don't see anything about apple wanting the price to be £349 and o2 fighting for £299.

[alFR]

By messing about, I mean messing us all about by making the error of leaking information and then pretending it never happened. Keeping the PAYG up but refusing to discuss it and say, for example, we are hoping to provide the service in a couple of months, etc. but can't guarantee it. What does "soon" mean? Absolutely nothing.

Oh, I agree with you. To play Devil's advocate though, if they really haven't been able to sort out an unsubsidised price (almost unbelievable at this stage, but then again this is a phone company) what should they do? Not mention PAYG at all? Potential customers lost. Say "We might do it, might not"? Potential customers lost. I think they're actually in a fairly tight spot on this one as they stand to lose business whatever they do.

[a456]

i must be missing something because i don't see anything about apple wanting the price to be £349 and o2 fighting for £299.

Sorry, I read this first: http://stuff.tv/news/iPhone-3G-stock-WILL-be-limited-in-UK/10363/ It linked to the Electric Pig article, which had more explicit claims but didn't make the same argument.

[TonyHoyle]

A start would have been sending out an FAQ to all their stores and CS reps so they all gave the same answers... even if that was 'we aren't releasing information until a week before' or something similar.

I still can't see why they didn't do that - even their own CS was contradicting itself daily.

[captain kaos]

Just to put my pennies worth in, but does anyone think this article could also tie in with the news that belgium has canceled their conference on the new iphone. Maybe apple is also arguing with other countries that want to sell the iphone as PAYG and or sim free (dependent on the law in said country)?

It could also explain the reason way O2 still hasnt mentioned PAYG, are they still in talks with Apple?

I for one think this site is the best for any info and i dont trust or want to get worked up about stories on sites that have a load of advertising (stories put out to bump up the numbers) but if the story behind it is true then and apple is punishing us for hacking the 1st gen (come on, your telling me the US didn't hack it!) then we go back to the argument of is we weren't being held to ransom by one carrier/18 month contracts/being able to get hold of the phone then we wouldn't be hacking it!

[sananda]

Sorry, I read this first: http://stuff.tv/news/iPhone-3G-stock-WILL-be-limited-in-UK/10363/ It linked to the Electric Pig article, which had more explicit claims but didn't make the same argument.

thanks.

[captain kaos]

Just got off the phone with O2.

I was originally going to ask them what i had to do to take over my friends 1st gen phone as they mention this as an option on their web site.

Strangely they asked why i wouldn't want to upgrade, to which i said that i've already been told i cant till october. Then "unofficially" the operator said that they think they'll wave that fact and let me upgrade, not bad i think, but i've still got to worry about what happens if i need to get out of the newly signed contract if i was move to Oz in Jan/feb 09.

Anyway, the interesting and scary thing she said was they still dont know all the T+C and details for the contract iphone and they will know more maybe monday and to call back on the 11th or 12th when they'll have all the info!

Good news about the upgrading, but so bad that a company selling the most anticipated phone have staff still none the wiser on whats going on!

[redgaz26]

call back on the 11th or 12th?????????????
christ I hope they have it sorted for then:D:D

[TonyHoyle]

Strangely they asked why i wouldn't want to upgrade, to which i said that i've already been told i cant till october. Then "unofficially" the operator said that they think they'll wave that fact and let me upgrade, not bad i think, but i've still got to worry about what happens if i need to get out of the newly signed contract if i was move to Oz in Jan/feb 09.


If you're a high value user to them they'll bend the rules, simply because they've already made their money back & keeping you happy means you're not likely to disappear off to another network.

In Jan/Feb 09 though you'll have to pay the contract off.

[captain kaos]

If you're a high value user to them they'll bend the rules, simply because they've already made their money back & keeping you happy means you're not likely to disappear off to another network.

In Jan/Feb 09 though you'll have to pay the contract off.

True.

I take the "pay off" will be however many months i have left at whatever rate im on?

If im right, on the £35pm tariff it'll be 11 x 35 = £385! ouch! But then if i wait till march i can drop it to £30pm, 9 x 30 = £270.

Plus the original iphone cost of £159.

My head hurts!:D

[captain kaos]

Ok, so unless im missing something here (and im not putting that past me!) im a bit confused. Bare with me on this:

The PAYG iphone is unsubsidised right? (maybe apart from the minimum £10 pm top up?)

If i went for a 16gb upgrade on the £35pm contract tariff and then went out of the UK after 7 months the grand total to have that phone will be £35x 7= £245+rest of the contract pay off of 11 months at £35 = £385 plus the iphone 159 = £948!

If i was to have a PAYG it'll be £400 + £10pm (if it comes out before feb 09!!)

So how does this work? Surely the PAYG is meant to be more expensive???

Am i missing a big point?:confused:

[alFR]

So how does this work? Surely the PAYG is meant to be more expensive???

Am i missing a big point?:confused:

Yes, because in your case the PAYG cost covers 7 months whereas the contract covers 18. Obviously if you end the contract early it'll be more expensive for you: if you used the PAYG for 18mo and made more than a minimal number of calls it'd likely work out more (as you might need to top up more than £10/mo). The PAYG vs contracts costs and what amount of calls you need to make before a contract becomes cheaper was covered earlier in this thread.

[TonyHoyle]

Depends on what minutes you use.

If you use very few then PayG can be significantly cheaper.

If you use 20 minutes and no texts for 7 months the PayG costs £395 and the £35 costs £789.

If you use exactly 600 minutes and 500 texts a month then the £35 still costs £789 and the PayG costs up to £1056

[badgerman]

[QUOTE=captain kaos;5706113]
If i was to have a PAYG it'll be £400 + £10pm (if it comes out before feb 09!!) [QUOTE]

how do you get this? if you recon your going in 7 months i would defo wait and get the payg as u may be able to unlock by the time u go and put an oz iphone card in - are they doing payg?

Otherwise I would still get £35 and call back from oz on month 9 and go down to £30, it would cost u £300 then 2 x 35 + 9 x 30 when u move and you would pay 35 x7 + 160 £405 hence contract is £705 in total, average that out per month in UK and getting the minutes/texts/data your £100pcm. Thats some dedication to getting in July rather than ~Sept on PAYG...:eek:

BTW, are you finding it therapeutic posting on this thread?

[captain kaos]

Depends on what minutes you use.

If you use very few then PayG can be significantly cheaper.

If you use 20 minutes and no texts for 7 months the PayG costs £395 and the £35 costs £789.

If you use exactly 600 minutes and 500 texts a month then the £35 still costs £789 and the PayG costs £948.

Hhmm. I suppose if i upgrade and go to the £45 pm tariff i'll also save the cost of the iphone, then down grade after 9 months.

Its going to be a long week!

[TonyHoyle]

It's really all down to the minutes you use. Even the £30 can make sense in the absence of a PayG option (saving of £90 across the entire contract length). Most people seem to be in the £35 band though.

[a456]

If you use exactly 600 minutes and 500 texts a month then the £35 still costs £789 and the PayG costs up to £1056

And who ever uses their exact allowance? Either you use less and lose them or you use more and pay excess. I only ever hear of people trying use up their minutes, and telling me they feel safer with a contract because they know how much they spend.

I tell them exactly how much I spend a month on Virgin PAYG - between £1 and £5 a month, and I've never seen a contract that low.

[ssierra]

Another issue to consider between a monthly contract and PAYG is what will happen with the iPhone 3.0. If you can update to the new one only from a contract and it comes in 12 month I think it makes sense the contract. Also I think the best one is the £45 per month and after 9 months downgrade.

cheers

[badgerman]

Another issue to consider between a monthly contract and PAYG is what will happen with the iPhone 3.0. If you can update to the new one only from a contract and it comes in 12 month I think it makes sense the contract. Also I think the best one is the £45 per month and after 9 months downgrade.

cheers

Well I dont think we can take what is happening now with the current iphone upgrades to be the rule with subsequent years as they are subing it this time. Hence they want your full ~£750 off you over 18months. If they allow upgrades after 12months they will still need to get that additional 6month line rental plus what ever the 3.0 costs plus another 18 months. :eek:

[captain kaos]

And who ever uses their exact allowance? Either you use less and lose them or you use more and pay excess. I only ever hear of people trying use up their minutes, and telling me they feel safer with a contract because they know how much they spend.

I tell them exactly how much I spend a month on Virgin PAYG - between £1 and £5 a month, and I've never seen a contract that low.

I dont even think i hardly use my 600 mins 1000 txts on the O2 £30 web based tariff at all.

[captain kaos]

Well I dont think we can take what is happening now with the current iphone upgrades to be the rule with subsequent years as they are subing it this time. Hence they want your full ~£750 off you over 18months. If they allow upgrades after 12months they will still need to get that additional 6month line rental plus what ever the 3.0 costs plus another 18 months. :eek:

Its all getting rather expensive when you look at it that way!

[badgerman]

Its all getting rather expensive when you look at it that way!

True, but you know we will all pay it to get the latest version... I try to rationalise it as a hobby that I am in control of rather than a habit ;)

[captain kaos]

True, but you know we will all pay it to get the latest version... I try to rationalise it as a hobby that I am in control of rather than a habit ;)

Ha ha! Yep, its my hobby as well.....i can give up anytime i want....honest!:D

[iSimx]

I just received an email from O2 themselves... :

Hello ,

Thanks for emailing us to confirm if the Pay & Go service will also available on the day when then new 3G iPhone launch.

I confirm you that the Pay & Go service for the new 3G iPhone will also launch on the 11 July 2008 to our customers.

For more information about the 3G iPhone service on Pay & Go, please click on the following link:

http://o2.co.uk/iphone/paygo

You can also visit our website using the link www.o2.co.uk/iphone for the most up to date information on iPhone.

Important - When you email us please provide: your date of birth, postcode and mobile number as it helps us answer your query faster.

Kind regards,

Kashisha Rangra
O2 Customer Service.

HOPEFULLY that clears up that problem... if not I'll hunt them down :D :D

[sdm1985]

I just received an email from O2 themselves... :



HOPEFULLY that clears up that problem... if not I'll hunt them down :D :D

I rang 10 stores accros the UK today and 6 of the 10 said YES.

I think i just need to let it go now as the iPhone will not be out on PAYG this friday.

:mad:

[TomB88]

I rang 10 stores accros the UK today and 6 of the 10 said YES.

I think i just need to let it go now as the iPhone will not be out on PAYG this friday.

:mad:

I had a similar experience. While I know it's totally unrealistic to expect the PAYG version to appear next week, both the O2 stores I rang sounded pretty certain that they would be getting the PAYG phones in for the launch.

Just give it to us straight O2!

[sdm1985]

I had a similar experience. While I know it's totally unrealistic to expect the PAYG version to appear next week, both the O2 stores I rang sounded pretty certain that they would be getting the PAYG phones in for the launch.

Just give it to us straight O2!

Umm and 10 of the 15 Apple Stores said they would have the iPhone in store on the 11th July as they have posters saying it...i am sure Apple Stores are not set to do the credit check process...will PAYG be for Apple Stores only...02 may agree to this as there is a 15 to 300 racial of 02 to Apple Stores

ummmm :confused::apple:

[TomB88]

Umm and 10 of the 15 Apple Stores said they would have the iPhone in store on the 11th July as they have posters saying it...i am sure Apple Stores are not set to do the credit check process...will PAYG be for Apple Stores only...02 may agree to this as there is a 15 to 300 racial of 02 to Apple Stores

ummmm :confused::apple:
Likewise, just phoned my nearest Apple Store (Brent Cross) and they stated unequivocally that they would be selling the 3G iPhone next Friday. They said the contract sign-up process had not yet been confirmed, but were certain it would be available through Apple and not just O2. They doubted, but didn't rule out, a PAYG version.

[mrhands123]

I emailed 02 about the Iphone coming out on july 11th on the pay as you go plan, their reply :

Thank you for emailing us to find out if the 3G iPhone will be available on a Pay & Go plan.

We're planning to launch the 3G iPhone on a Pay & Go plan in July but we don't have the exact date when it'll be launched. To find out further information about this matter, please call our Pay & Go team on 08705 678 678.

[captain kaos]

Ok, the O2 page has sneakerly changed its wording for PAYG. It now says "Available later this year"

Sorry if this is old news, but i just noticed the change on their web site. I wonder if Apple resellers (solutions) wil be selling it??

[Nicholas.C]

Thats it, we know it no pay and go.

[mrhands123]

Yeah I saw that aswell, I've just sent a email to 02 asking when ' later this year' is. So ill be waiting for a reply, then I will post it here. :)

JH

[alabastercodify]

Yeah I saw that aswell, I've just sent a email to 02 asking when ' later this year' is. So ill be waiting for a reply, then I will post it here. :)

JH

I wouldn't hold your breath for a truthful or reliable answer.

[getti]

I would not expect to hear anything apart from 'its out this year'. O2 have really messed up with the iPhone 3G launch with the lack of communication not only between staff and customers but internally with some staff saying 1 thing and others saying totally different.

People got emails saying the PAYG iPhone is out on launch and we now know it will not be, white is not at launch in 16gb.

I have never seen so much lack of communication from a communications company in my life. I am sure because of the PAYG issue many people will just forget the iPhone 3G now and wait for the Nokia N96 to come out next month and get that on a decent contract.

Lets face it 18 months with a 2 megapixel camera with no video support was a bit of a joke anyway when Motorola, Sony Ericsson, LG and maybe Nokia will have 8 megapixel phones out by the end of the year and Nokia will have the S60 touch.

Hardly fills you with confidence paying O2 for 18 months when they cant even talk internally with right information

[TomB88]

Well, since it's now confirmed that the PAYG version wont be making an appearance on launch day, how long do you reckon we'll be waiting for it? When will O2 give us a date?

Now that the PAYG T&C have made a reappearance on O2's server (http://www.o2.co.uk/assets/O2HybridNav/1_iPhone/Santana/PayGo/PGTariffs.html), I've started thinking about how exactly the PAYG system will work on iPhone. I'm pretty sure that it will a) be locked to O2 and b) will function properly with visual voicemail. But we're still left wondering as to whether or not we'll be able to use it on another O2 sim, such as the Simplicity tariffs. Will using it on O2 simplicity break visual voicemail, and will the £7.50 unlimited data bolt-on work?

[Igantius]

Well, since it's now confirmed that the PAYG version wont be making an appearance on launch day, how long do you reckon we'll be waiting for it? When will O2 give us a date?

I think one of the difficulties is that O2 isn’t sure when stock numbers will be sufficient to offer PAYG. CW has only just found out the number of units it’s getting (although it had been told to expect a lower number than expected), which has come as a shock. A couple of people within the industry (used to write about wireless technology professionally) said to me that when stock is less limited, that’s when O2 will introduce PAYG, but as to when it’s guess a matter of guesswork.

[johnrs]

Just been posted on the o2 forums that iPhone PAYG will be coming later this year in time for Christmas as they want to get Contract Customers sorted first..

DOHHH!!!!!

http://customerforum.o2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=14860#14860

[johnnyi]

This in an email from someone in 02 on behalf of matthew keys as i sent him an email.

Prior to information released this morning, our front line advisors were unaware of our position on the availability of the iPhone 3g to prepay customers. I can confirm that we will be launching the new iPhone 3g on the 11 July 2008 to post pay customers only. We are scheduled to release the iPhone 3g to prepay customers in December 2008, we will provide more precise details closer to this time.The decision to delay the release of the prepay iPhone 3g was due to the high levels of demand and we felt it prudent to phase the release to manage our stock levels.

It clearly shows they are not releasing the Iphone to December in time for christmas.They just say it is due to stock levels its because the want more people to buy the contract they make more money from it.

Jonathan

[AnonymousOne]

Just been posted on the o2 forums that iPhone PAYG will be coming later this year in time for Christmas as they want to get Contract Customers sorted first..

DOHHH!!!!!

http://customerforum.o2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=14860#14860

Im really disappointed but now I can take satisfaction in knowing I wont have to spend my driving lesson money on a iphone and now I can save because before I wasnt expecting a PAYG option to be announced, therefore the only money I had waiting was my lesson money lol.

[a456]

Im really disappointed but now I can take satisfaction in knowing I wont have to spend my driving lesson money on a iphone and now I can save because before I wasnt expecting a PAYG option to be announced, therefore the only money I had waiting was my lesson money lol.

They've done me a favour too. I'll be investing the money into my own business not Apple and O2, and making more level-headed decisions based on needs rather than wants. Cheers O2.

[sananda]

This in an email from someone in 02 on behalf of matthew keys as i sent him an email.

Prior to information released this morning, our front line advisors were unaware of our position on the availability of the iPhone 3g to prepay customers. I can confirm that we will be launching the new iPhone 3g on the 11 July 2008 to post pay customers only. We are scheduled to release the iPhone 3g to prepay customers in December 2008, we will provide more precise details closer to this time.The decision to delay the release of the prepay iPhone 3g was due to the high levels of demand and we felt it prudent to phase the release to manage our stock levels.

It clearly shows they are not releasing the Iphone to December in time for christmas.They just say it is due to stock levels its because the want more people to buy the contract they make more money from it.

Jonathan

i can't believe it won't be available on pay and go until december!

[Concorde Rules]

i can't believe it won't be available on pay until december!

That is ****ing shocking.

And they have just lost £600+ of my money as my phone now is broken.

Well done Apple/O2, you've royally ****ed up this one!

[alabastercodify]

Really, this is entirely to be expected. New phones always come out on contract first. PAYG phones are usually not the very latest model. In a way, I don't mind that it won't be out for a while, but I think they should have made it more clear from the outset. All those emails from O2 that stated it would be out on Friday were clearly just bo**ocks, and that is annoying.

[johnrs]

December is not later this year. That's at the end of the bloody year...

being a PAYG customer is like being a 2nd class citizen...

[iSimx]

that's such disappointing news :mad:

[sananda]

Really, this is entirely to be expected. New phones always come out on contract first. PAYG phones are usually not the very latest model.

well they sent out emails saying it would be available at launch so they set up the expectation and then changed their minds.

[alabastercodify]

well they sent out emails saying it would be available at launch so they set up the expectation and then changed their minds.

That's why I said it was annoying they did that.

[johnnyi]

What is going to happen in people will wait until december then the iphone will be released then people will be like oh a will just wait to the 3rd Iphone comes out cause apple will probably release one at WWDC '09.o2 have lost their self alot of money

Jonathan

[TomB88]

I've been reading some of the new help and T&Cs that are up. It is stated here (http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/existingiphonecustomers) under the 'Your Old iPhone' tab that:
Existing O2 Pay & Go customers can use their current O2 Pay & Go SIM card or new customers can join O2 by getting a free Pay & Go iPhone SIM card from an O2 store. Then add the unlimited Web and Wi-Fi iPhone Bolt On (£10 a month). The only thing that does not work with this option is the Visual Voicemail.

So, no visual voicemail for PAYG customers. Though it seems that using other O2 sims (non-iPhone ones) is possible.

[frosse]

I'm going to Switzerland :cool:

[e3lysium]

What is going to happen in people will wait until december then the iphone will be released then people will be like oh a will just wait to the 3rd Iphone comes out cause apple will probably release one at WWDC '09.o2 have lost their self alot of money

Jonathan

Obviously O2 are going down this route as they want to get people purely on “contracts...” – they have a dislike of all things PAYG as its something that is left in the control of the customer.. and that is something they certainly want to exploit as the 3G is an “in-demand” device... so a few PAYG customers might be tempted to move over to contract. Others, like yourself... will wait, get bored.. and then wait further for the real 2.0 device next year; and then face the same problems of not getting a PAYG version for a further 6 months, so you know your place..

I am disappointed with Apple allowing this .. If someone wishes to purchase an Apple product they should be allowed to do so without being forced to take a contract. It’s a desirable phone .. and making PAYG customers feel like 3rd class citizens is not what Apple is all about.

[johnrs]

I've been reading some of the new help and T&Cs that are up. It is stated here (http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/existingiphonecustomers) under the 'Your Old iPhone' tab that:

Existing O2 Pay & Go customers can use their current O2 Pay & Go SIM card or new customers can join O2 by getting a free Pay & Go iPhone SIM card from an O2 store. Then add the unlimited Web and Wi-Fi iPhone Bolt On (£10 a month). The only thing that does not work with this option is the Visual Voicemail.


So, no visual voicemail for PAYG customers. Though it seems that using other O2 sims (non-iPhone ones) is possible.

OK.. So what is then stopping you getting a new iphone 3g from Europe and then getting a new PAYG sim or even getting one from apple.com/uk and getting a new PAYG sim?? or using you current o2 payg sime with the new wifi & data bolt on.

[HeavenDivine]

Ok i have just phoned o2 customer services and this is how it went:



Me: will the iphone 3g pay as you go be available to buy in the 11th

o2: yes it will be in all stores.

Me: ... are you 100% positive?

o2: yes, i have the information in front of me here. The pay and go iphone from o2 will be available for all customers on the 11th july 2008.

Me: are you sure it isnt just the contract option that will be available because the website says PAYG will be coming later in the year?

o2: it is definatly being released on the 11th july 2008.

Me: i have had o2 stores tell me it will not be available for PAYG on that date.

o2: no, i have the information and i can confirm that the PAYG iPhone 3G will be available on the 11th July 2008.



well there you go, i couldnt believe it.

[badgerman]

Ok i have just phoned o2 customer services and this is how it went:



Me: will the iphone 3g pay as you go be available to buy in the 11th

o2: yes it will be in all stores.

Me: ... are you 100% positive?

o2: yes, i have the information in front of me here. The pay and go iphone from o2 will be available for all customers on the 11th july 2008.

Me: are you sure it isnt just the contract option that will be available because the website says PAYG will be coming later in the year?

o2: it is definatly being released on the 11th july 2008.

Me: i have had o2 stores tell me it will not be available for PAYG on that date.

o2: no, i have the information and i can confirm that the PAYG iPhone 3G will be available on the 11th July 2008.



well there you go, i couldnt believe it.

Try ringing again and let us know what contradictions a different sales rep says...

[iSimx]

you could also query WHY does it say later this year on the website? as much as I hope they are right... I'm not convinced

[HeavenDivine]

just phoned o2 again and recorded it.

the mp3: http://http://www.apss09.dsl.pipex.com/o2call.zip (http://www.apss09.dsl.pipex.com/o2call.mp3)

proof the o2 pay and go will be available on 11th????

[iSimx]

*edited*

sorry the link does work

[badgerman]

just phoned o2 again and recorded it.

the mp3: http://http://www.apss09.dsl.pipex.com/o2call.zip (http://www.apss09.dsl.pipex.com/o2call.mp3)

proof the o2 pay and go will be available on 11th????

Good wurk fella - Although I think your telling him more than he tells you....

[iSimx]

I got the email from o2 this morning too and it mentions absolutely nothing about pay & go.....

[sara123456]

just phoned o2 again and recorded it.

the mp3: http://http://www.apss09.dsl.pipex.com/o2call.zip (http://www.apss09.dsl.pipex.com/o2call.mp3)

proof the o2 pay and go will be available on 11th????

Yeah good work but that bloke didn't have a clue just shows what a **** up 02 really are.

[frosse]

Hey O2, if ur listening, how bout educating or atleast give ur sales reps the same info for a change?

Man I'm pissed.

[sdm1985]

Hey O2, if ur listening, how bout educating or atleast give ur sales reps the same info for a change?

Man I'm pissed.

Tell me about it.

I bet Apple are really pleased the contract went to 02...i bet t-mobile would have handled this launch better!

Its over for 02!

Apple instead of profits you should have researched the best provider to do your products proud and increase the brand and long term share value...the apple has rotten!!

:(

[johnrs]

LOL.. While I would love to believe this guy and would love to go and get one I just know that its not going to happen.

You should call them back again and ask the same question and see what answer you get

[a456]

Are they paying this man real money? The answer, yes and that's why contracts cost so much.

[MattFM]

To disappoint and anger me even before becoming one of their customers is pretty clever. It is unacceptable to announce this a few days before the launch date, and especially so after having accepted pre-registrations (what good they were).

I've just emailed them to express my disappointment. On it's own, it's worthless, but if everyone sends one, they might realise how many people they've p*ssed off.

[halpin]

Yeah good work but that bloke didn't have a clue just shows what a **** up 02 really are.

That's the same with most customer service staff, in every shop, even with Apple. Most enthusiastic techies know more than the staff.

[Vald]

I'm sorry for being annoying with questions...


if I buy iphone 3g for £300 do i have to pay £10 for every month out of 6 months?

or do i get it already with the pay and go price and pay £10 for each month after the first 6 months?

if not, that would mean its £360..

[TonyHoyle]

I'm sorry for being annoying with questions...


if I buy iphone 3g for £300 do i have to pay £10 for every month out of 6 months?

or do i get it already with the pay and go price and pay £10 for each month after the first 6 months?

if not, that would mean its £360..

If you want the data plan you pay £10 a month after 6 months have elapsed, the first 6 months being free.

You don't have to pay it at all if you don't want.. however not paying it could get expensive as then you're paying by the mb.

This is all academic of course because you *can't* buy an iphone 3g for £300 and by christmas you can bet the pricing has changed completely.

[Vald]

well, i just want to buy the iphone 3g w/o the contract...
i realy wont be using the O2 card
and hope there will be a hack out there..

[MacMuppet]

I had registered my interest a few weeks ago but the more I've "slept on it",
the more definite I am I won't be buying an iPhone.

Why?
I can get a Nokia N95 sim-free for a few £s cheaper.

I thought that the iPhone not having a front camera was no big deal but
after looking at a number of phones, even the most basic 3Gs have
front cameras. To me, this is the biggest oversight of the iPhone.

The iPhone hype hasn't helped either :(

[a456]

Well, I couldn't resist:

[Vald]

forget about the N series, they are great, but compared to iphone..not realy..
wathcing movie clips in 30 fps, having an ipod, and browsing with a real html based browser and within wifi...with a cool keyboard... heck...

[moabon.rob]

Well, I couldn't resist:

Wonderful :D

[sdm1985]

Well, I couldn't resist:

hahahahahaha thats the funniest thing ive seen today....you cheered me up...bring on Paris to purchase an iPhone unlocked on Orange bye bye 02!! :)

[zeasar]

Well, I couldn't resist:

Nice, but change the date to something like "23rd Dec" and a caption saying "Just the perfect Christmas gift, Just in time."

[jaykay74]

The press have now caught on to the fact that pay & go customers are not very pleased with how they handled the launch, at least we may now get some kind of official response.

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/15987/17011/o2-accused-misleading-iphone-payg.phtml

[CD3660]

In response, O2 has issued Pocket-lint with a comment on the situation, stating: "We have in fact confirmed that the iPhone 3G will be available on Prepay in time for the Christmas period."

"Due to the high levels of demand we felt it prudent to phase the launch of the iPhone 3G to best manage stock levels. The iPhone 3G will be available on Pay & Go in time for the Christmas shopping season. We will provide more precise details closer to this time."

Seems to me that O2 got people to register their interest in the forthcoming iPhone 3G not so much to keep us informed, but more to use the information to plan their marketing
of the iPhone.

In fact it very much looks as if the very big response they received directly resulted in their decision to delay the PAYG version.

What suckers we are! :rolleyes:

[a456]

The press have now caught on to the fact that pay & go customers are not very pleased with how they handled the launch, at least we may now get some kind of official response.

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/15987/17011/o2-accused-misleading-iphone-payg.phtml

Well I certainly won't pay £359 for a 16 GB in December, the price will have to come down drastically in return for the half year of waiting. My suggestion would be £99 for the 8 GB and £159 for the 16 GB if they want to regain my interest (why not? let's be unreasonable too). Especially when a 32 GB will probably be released in the first quarter of 2009. No way am I waiting like a faithful puppy dog to be charged so much money for a phone. For a brand new piece of tech it was an acceptable price, for a six month old piece of tech it's not. In the meantime if my need of mobile email becomes drastic I will get a Blackberry data only business tariff with Orange.

[CD3660]

Well I certainly won't pay £359 for a 16 GB in December, the price will have to come down drastically in return for the half year of waiting. My suggestion would be £99 for the 8 GB and £159 for the 16 GB if they want to regain my interest......

I can't see them selling the PAYG version for the same price that people get them on contract!

[moabon.rob]

In fact it very much looks as if the very big response they received directly resulted in their decision to delay the PAYG version.

What suckers we are! :rolleyes:

What would be beautiful is if a high enough percentage of these people were/are only interested in PAYG. Whilst I'm sure o2 will come close to, or completely, sell out (no pun intended ;)), it would be quite nice for it to backfire and them to have a fair few spare 3G iPhones after the weekend - and then they can scratch their heads until they realise that the PAYG market is bigger than they think...

[a456]

I can't seem them selling the PAYG version for the same price that people get them on contract!

No neither can I.

[iSimx]

I really hope o2 are aware of how unhappy/disappointed the pay & go customers are. I also hope they respond to that...

[a456]

it would be quite nice for it to backfire and them to have a fair few spare 3G iPhones after the weekend - and then they can scratch their heads until they realise that the PAYG market is bigger than they think...

I'm sure you're right. Nothing is impossible, just like the price drop last year. The fact is that, not to blow our own trumpets or anything, Mac users demand a different kind of service to your average consumers. We don't just want a bit of bling, we want a functional piece of kit at a workable price. Now for a good number of people a £30+ a month contract is a workable price but for an equally good number the sums don't add up with the contract, and when this happens we don't just cave in we demand better.

[CD3660]

.....It would be quite nice for it to backfire and them to have a fair few spare 3G iPhones after the weekend - and then they can scratch their heads until they realise that the PAYG market is bigger than they think...
I agree.

In fact, even though I am not in the market for a PAYG myself (although a family member might be) and I was intending upgrading to the iPhone 3G on Friday, I'm beginning to wonder whether I should bother in the light of stories about stock shortages.

Queuing is bad enough, but then to be told that there is no stock of the one you want! :mad:

[Vald]

so.... its 11th of july

can it be bought with P&G ?

[netdog]

so.... its 11th of july

can it be bought with P&G ?

O2 has said by Christmas. People are getting turned away today for contract phones.

[barryallott]

so.... its 11th of july

can it be bought with P&G ?

In a word, no.

[ajthomason]

Time to resurrect this long dead thread... There is another thread on the now released Pay as you Go prices, but I wanted to get some peoples opinions now we know the iPhone is more expensive than the leaked ones!

"Pay & Go customers can now enjoy the iPhone 3G without a monthly contract. The new iPhone 3G 8GB for Pay & Go will be available for £349.99 and the 16GB version for £399.99."

Has this put any of the waiters off?

[PowerFullMac]

£350 for a ****ing phone? I could get a computer for that... And have £150 left for a few PS3 games or software... Or I could use it to buy a phone that actually records video, sends files through Bluetooth and handles MMS! :rolleyes:

Plus, after a year you have to pay £10 a month or the main attraction to the iPhone will be gone, but of course by then the new iPhone will be out and people will buy that, coz then they get a new phone and more free internet... So Apple forces you to upgrade or get ripped off (well actually, you will probably get ripped off either way)... So what they have done is made this deal EVEN WORSE than the old and new iPhone contracts put together!

Those tricky BASTARDS!

[senorFunkyPants]

Well even though its a little bit cheaper than I predicted (I guessed between £369 to £399 for the 8GB) it does now seem a little expensive given the current crunchy credit climate. On the plus side it helps to keep the price up of the iphone V1.
I suspect once the initial rush is over that a price drop will not be that far away, probably just after xmas?

[PowerFullMac]

Well even though its a little bit cheaper than I predicted (I guessed between £369 to £399 for the 8GB) it does now seem a little expensive given the current crunchy credit climate. On the plus side it helps to keep the price up of the iphone V1.
I suspect once the initial rush is over that a price drop will not be that far away, probably just after xmas?

I was actually hoping the price of the first iPhones would go down a bit so I could buy one :(

Coz there is no way I am buying a new iPhone with those prices! Read the new signature! :p

[askripko]

Well, I couldn't resist:

Great pic for Xmas

[djellison]

That's a bit of an epic maths fail.

So you have to top up £10 a month? WTF,

Quite - it's a further £120 for that first year - so £520 minimum purchase.

And to be honest - for that - i want perfection. The iPhone is a long long way from that.

Doug

[modelbehaviour]

You don't HAVE to top up £10 a month, but if you do you get free minutes/texts etc depending which plan you're on. Alternatively, you can just top up when you need it as you would normally would without getting the bonus.

[djellison]

You don't HAVE to top up £10 a month.

I bet the free 3G and Wifi means you do.

[PowerFullMac]

I bet the free 3G and Wifi means you do.

You only have to top-up after a year coz when the free internet runs out.

[a456]

You don't HAVE to top up £10 a month, but if you do you get free minutes/texts etc depending which plan you're on. Alternatively, you can just top up when you need it as you would normally would without getting the bonus.

So many people are confused by this, and though I think Model Behaviour is right - there is no clear explanation on the O2 site.

[apt]

To answer all those questions about existing 02 customers wanting to put there existing 02 sim in the PAYG 3G iPhone I found the following link on the 02 website:

http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/usinganoriginaliphone

In a nut shell the link states "If you've received an original 2G iPhone or an iPhone 3G second-hand without a connection you have a number of options to use it.

Already on an O2 Pay Monthly 18 month tariff
If you're on an existing O2 18-month minimum term contract, you can just transfer onto a Pay Monthly tariff for iPhone*. The end date of your contract will stay the same. Once their tariff has been transferred, you just need to connect to iTunes to activate the iPhone."

OK I'm thinking that a brand new PAYG iPhone 3G 'WONT' differ from a second hand iPhone 3G without a connection therefore existing 02 pay monthly contract customers *COULD* switch to a iPhone 3G tariff and use there existing sim on the PAYG phone.

NOW this will only work IF Apple haven't restricted the PAYG iPhones in anyway i.e. locked them to a PAYG sim. I'm thinking that this is something Apple wont do as 02 are currently the ONLY network provider offering PAYG and it would be a lot of work on Apples part to limit the iPhone just for one client.

Anyone else have any thoughts on the subject?

[jasz24]

another iphone lover here~~ :D

iphone finally in sg, price with monthly contract plan SGD$56 (2years)
iPhone 8GB Price: SGD$348
iPhone 16GB Price: SGD$508

will be getting one soon... ;)

[apt]

I asked the question about changing to an iPhone tariff with my 02 provider (CPW) this is what they said.

"I am sorry but the iphone accounts are handled by O2 Direct and
therefore unfortunately O2 Carphone Warehouse are unable to offer an
iphone tariff.

Using your existing O2 Carphone Warehouse SIM card in the iphone will
result in charges for data and wifi usage."

This sucks big time :(

Anybody got any suggestions?

[senorFunkyPants]

I asked the question about changing to an iPhone tariff with my 02 provider (CPW) this is what they said.
"I am sorry but the iphone accounts are handled by O2 Direct and therefore unfortunately O2 Carphone Warehouse are unable to offer an
iphone tariff.
Using your existing O2 Carphone Warehouse SIM card in the iphone will
result in charges for data and wifi usage."


I am using an O2 CPWH sim in my V1 iphone...its an 18 month contract sim £5 a month 250 mins and 275 txts.
I rang CPWH the other day about adding the Internet bolt on and the conversation was going fine till I inferred that I might put the the sim in an iphone and the whole conversation turned chilly...he went on about how I shouldn't use a CPWH sim with the iphone since I would end up with massive data charges as I would quickly exceed the fair usage download limit of 200ish mb (by downloading f/w upgrades over GPRS!).
So looks like CPWH are under strict instructions not to get involved with payg iphones although their sims do work perfectly well with the iphone just don't tell them about it....and watch out for data usage over 3G (if u get one) or wifi.

[SisterRay]

I'm in two minds about buying a paygo iphone. I really want one but, it's just gone beyond my price range. I think it should have been at least £50 cheaper. I think O2 have shot themselves in the foot.

I would rather put the £400 against a new macbook, macbook pro or tablet (please!!) or wait for 32Gb version

What do you think?

[philgilder]

I'm in two minds about buying a paygo iphone. I really want one but, it's just gone beyond my price range. I think it should have been at least £50 cheaper. I think O2 have shot themselves in the foot.

I would rather put the £400 against a new macbook, macbook pro or tablet (please!!)

What do you think?
i think its priced so high to put people off, and make them buy it on contract

[MattZani]

Well im probably going to get the PAY & GO iPhone, as its a good £200 cheaper than the £30 Contract, even when factoring in the £10 a month for Data for the last 6 months.

[Nomadski]

Personally a good deal imo, bit expensive outlay initially but what you get as incentives with O2 seem pretty good.

IF you put on £10-£14 you get a choice of 300 texts, or unlimited calls and texts (to O2 phones) per month, rising if you spend £15. You still get what you put in to make further calls etc. If you dont well you dont get that incentive that month, but theres no obligation to do so.

You can get 10% of every penny you spend on topups back each quarter - so if you spent £100 in 3 months you can get credited with £10 back after that 3 month period. (Free opt in Rewards scheme)

FREE and unlimited browsing and WiFi for 12 months, with a no obligation offer of unlimited browsing for £10 pm after this period.

Random extra treats (free minutes, texts etc) every month thru their Treats scheme (just a free opt in scheme).

If your moving number to O2, you can get £5 free every month for the next 6 months.

Priority tickets for gigs at the O2 Arena in London.

All in all you can put on as much as you like, but by putting in £10 a month (who wouldnt put at least that much in anyway?) you get a lot of bonuses. Much more than i ever got with Vodafone.

You can see all the promotions here...

http://www.o2.co.uk/termsconditions/currentpromotions

Plus you get an iPhone. :)

Be getting mine at release day.

[a456]

I'm in two minds about buying a paygo iphone. I really want one but, it's just gone beyond my price range. I think it should have been at least £50 cheaper. I think O2 have shot themselves in the foot.

I would rather put the £400 against a new macbook, macbook pro or tablet (please!!) or wait for 32Gb version

What do you think?

I have the exact same dilemma. At the moment the Mac notebook option is ahead of the race, and since the UK is now officially in recession, I can image some price cuts before long - not unimaginable that £100 could be knocked off the PAYG iPhone by Christmas given that the UK is feeling broke at the moment. After all, aren't houses losing something like this amount every day on average at the moment? These are luxury items, and Apple's immunity is only so strong - £399 is a lot of money for a phone in this climate no matter how good, and such a purchase is easy to put on hold.

[Hudzilla]

Does anyone know if we are able to get a PAYG iPhone, and put a iphone contract sim in to use with our contract tariff?

[apt]

Does anyone know if we are able to get a PAYG iPhone, and put a iphone contract sim in to use with our contract tariff?

Please see my previous posts regarding this in this thread :)

[apt]

The PAYG tariffs talk about inclusive mins from a registered postcode. How does this work and doesn't that kinda defeat the object of having a mobile phone if your tariff only benefits you when you are in ONE location.

[spinstorm]

Assuming the pay as you go version is not locked to only pay as you go SIMs then you can still put your pay monthly SIM in the phone.

The only downside is the data charges. However you can simply enter the wrong data settings on the data menu and then it can't connect to the 3G network so you won't get charged.

There is also bossprefs if you decide to jailbreak which turns off network data services so you won't get any charges.

Of course you could always spend £650 on an unlocked italian iPhone 3G from eBay and use it with ANY network anywhere in the world.

[Hudzilla]

Assuming the pay as you go version is not locked to only pay as you go SIMs then you can still put your pay monthly SIM in the phone.

The only downside is the data charges. However you can simply enter the wrong data settings on the data menu and then it can't connect to the 3G network so you won't get charged.

There is also bossprefs if you decide to jailbreak which turns off network data services so you won't get any charges.

Of course you could always spend £650 on an unlocked italian iPhone 3G from eBay and use it with ANY network anywhere in the world.



So even though youve got a Pay monthly SIM in there, it will still charge you for data useage???

I dont get how this is possible as it knows your running a contract SIM

[a456]

The PAYG tariffs talk about inclusive mins from a registered postcode. How does this work and doesn't that kinda defeat the object of having a mobile phone if your tariff only benefits you when you are in ONE location.

I guess the postcode thing would suit university students or people who want to use their mobiles from their place of work, but I agree it is not very useful to most.

[daneoni]

So even though youve got a Pay monthly SIM in there, it will still charge you for data useage???

I dont get how this is possible as it knows your running a contract SIM

Unless your contract has an unlimited data bolt-on attached to it...you will get charged

[andybno1]

Does anyone know if we are able to get a PAYG iPhone, and put a iphone contract sim in to use with our contract tariff?

should be fine the phone is just locked to O2 network so any O2 sims will work

[bmh16]

I'm expecting a 32Gb launch tomorrow. I wonder if it will be Contract only to start with though. Very good news this is though, wish the pricing could have been better but it's not too bad!

[daneoni]

I'm expecting a 32Gb launch tomorrow....

Not gonna happen

[bmh16]

Not gonna happen

Never say never. I saw a rumor on the first page about 'iPhone news tomorrow'. There may be an upgrade. It probably isn't too likely but it's not like how you're saying it.

[PowerFullMac]

Never say never. I saw a rumor on the first page about 'iPhone news tomorrow'. There may be an upgrade. It probably isn't too likely but it's not like how you're saying it.

I think it could happen, Steve said that the iPod touch would always have more memory than the iPhone, but iPod touch updated are expected tomorrow, too!

Could easily happen, but it would be VERY EXPENSIVE! If you pan on getting one, you better have the cash for it!

[shuffles]

is this just in the UK or will it be available anywhere else ie in Ireland?