Confirmed (again!) O2 PAYG 8GB=£349.99 16GB=£399.99

[badgerman]

http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paygo

iPhone 3G is coming soon to Pay & Go

Pay & Go customers can now enjoy the iPhone 3G without a monthly contract. The new iPhone 3G 8GB for Pay & Go will be available for £349.99 and the 16GB version for £399.99.

This also includes unlimited browsing and Wi-Fi for the first 12 months after you activate your iPhone 3G*. At the end of the 12 months you can continue to receive unlimited browsing and Wi-Fi for just £10 per month. We'll notify you before the end of the 12 month period by text and you can easily unsubscribe if you choose to do so.

It will be available to buy from 16th September in O2 stores, The Carphone Warehouse and Apple stores.

Please note visual voicemail and call merging are not available with Pay & Go. You'll also need to change your data settings to use services such as Mobile Internet. Take a look at the activation tab on this page for more information.




*Unlimited data and Wi-Fi applies to use in the UK only, subject to excessive usage policy. Unlimited Wi-Fi is available at any of the Wi-Fi hotspots from our partners The Cloud or BT Openzone. Terms apply.

Old website info....


iPhone 3G is coming soon for Pay & Go

Pay & Go customers can now enjoy all the great features of the iPhone without a monthly contract.

The new 3G 8GB iPhone for Pay & Go will be available for £299.99 and 16GB for £359.99. This also includes unlimited browsing and Wi-Fi for the first 6 months after you activate your iPhone*.

At the end of the six months you can continue to receive unlimited browsing and Wi-Fi for just £10 per month. We'll notify you at the end of the six month period by text and you can easily unsubscribe if you choose to do so.

You'll also be able to choose one of our standard Pay & Go tariffs to use with your iPhone. The more you top-up each month, the more free minutes or texts you'll receive.

* This offer is applicable to all new and upgrading customers who purchase an iPhone on Pay & Go until Dec 31st 2008. Unlimited data and Wi-Fi applies to use in the UK only, subject to excessive usage policy. Unlimited Wi-Fi is available at any of the 9,500 Wi-Fi hotspots from our partners The Cloud or BT Openzone.

[Nicholas.C]

Cheap! That means it's £300 for iPhone 8GB! Yes! I'm not buying from OhMac.com now! I can get this from a Reseller more safer!

[badgerman]

Pay & Go Tariffs for iPhone

You'll be able to choose one of our standard Pay & Go tariffs to use with your iPhone. The more you top-up each month, the more free minutes or texts you'll receive.

Minimum top-Up each month £10-£14 £15-£29 £30
Favourite Place 500 mins to any UK landline or O2 mobile from a registered postcode 1000 mins to any UK landline or O2 mobile from a registered postcode Unlimited mins to any UK landline or O2 mobile from a registered postcode
Text Anytime 300 UK texts 500 UK texts Unlimited UK texts
Talkalotmore 50 UK evening and weekend mins 150 UK evening and weekend mins 300 UK evening and weekend mins
O2 Unlimited Unlimited texts to O2 mobiles Unlimited calls and texts to O2 mobiles
Your Country 100 minutes to call international landlines and mobiles from the UK 150 minutes to call international landlines and mobiles from the UK 200 minutes to call international landlines and mobiles from the UK

Standard calls made in the UK outside of your allowance cost from 5p per minute and UK text messages cost 10p each. Downloading 1MB of data in an EU country will cost £3 and the same amount of data in a non EU country will cost £6. View more details about call charges tariffs

If you buy the iPhone online at o2.co.uk, you can choose to buy either the Text Anytime or Favourite Place tariff. If you buy elsewhere you'll be set up to our Favourite Place tariff. If you prefer one of the other tariffs, you can easily change tariff once a month.

Each iPhone for Pay & Go also includes unlimited browsing and Wi-Fi for the first 6 months after you activate your iPhone*. At the end of the six months you can continue to receive unlimited browsing and Wi-Fi for just £10 per month. We'll notify you at the end of the six month period by text and you can easily unsubscribe if you choose to do so.


*This offer is applicable to all new and upgrading customers who purchase an iPhone on Pay & Go until Dec 31st 2008. Unlimited data and Wi-Fi applies to use in the UK only, subject to excessive usage policy. Unlimited Wi-Fi is available at any of the 9,500 Wi-Fi hotspots from our partners The Cloud or BT Openzone. Terms apply.

Unlimited text and minutes are subject to an excessive usage policy.

[musio]

does that mean you those minutes are not anytime minutes

[mmoosa]

BTW I think you have to sign up to one online at the time of your purchase which would mean you can't get it and unlock it u need to pay the minumum for a month i think. Hopefully this isn't the case.

[badgerman]

does that mean you those minutes are not anytime minutes

Anytime mins, but only to UK or O2 mobs

[badgerman]

BTW I think you have to sign up to one online at the time of your purchase which would mean you can't get it and unlock it u need to pay the minumum for a month i think. Hopefully this isn't the case.

What is the min for first month £10?

[musio]

I am not sure they are to any uk mobile:

"500 mins to any UK landline or O2 mobile from a registered postcode"

the phrasing of it is a bit strange...or is it me?

[saxamoophone]

How much was the 1st gen iPhone w/ O2?

As someone who can't get the "upgrade" rate with at&t i'm just wondering how much it's gone up now..

thanks!

[Nicholas.C]

£269 + a 18 months contract

[badgerman]

I am not sure they are to any uk mobile:

"500 mins to any UK landline or O2 mobile from a registered postcode"

the phrasing of it is a bit strange...or is it me?

Nope its only landline or registered O2...

Tarifs say Other UK network mobiles 25p/min :eek::eek:

Hence you would only get PAYG to unlock?

[Nicholas.C]

i'd rather buy this phone on PAG cus' it's just easier then contract.. if you go over you gotta pay some stupid price

[onemanarmy333]

160 pounds for an extra 8gig of memory? not worth it

[kwaka6]

160 pounds for an extra 8gig of memory? not worth it


err, you mean £60, not £160???

[badgerman]

160 pounds for an extra 8gig of memory? not worth it

£359.99 - £299.99 = £60 ;)

[mmoosa]

160 pounds for an extra 8gig of memory? not worth it

urrrm....£360-£300=£60 NOT £170

[sk8mash]

Nope its only landline or registered O2...

Tarifs say Other UK network mobiles 25p/min :eek::eek:

Hence you would only get PAYG to unlock?

Doesn't it say "Standard calls made in the UK outside of your allowance cost from 5p per minute and UK text messages cost 10p each." Which isnt to unreasonable?

[Concorde Rules]

16Gb White when you can unlock it FTW!!!!

WOOO!!

[onemanarmy333]

oops sorry

[raggedjimmi]

160 pounds for an extra 8gig of memory? not worth it

That's a bit of an epic maths fail.

So you have to top up £10 a month? WTF, so much for PAYG. How about giving us the freedom of topping up however much we want when we need it.
I'll stick with the contract iPhone.

[sk8mash]

I dont get this. It talks about activating, and minimum top up. Does this mean you have to pay evey month? Effectively a contract with not many minuites/tets?

[Nicholas.C]

I dont get this. It talks about activating, and minimum top up. Does this mean you have to pay evey month? Effectively a contract with not many minuites/tets?

You don't have to top up every month via £10, only the first time, then your free? I think.

[retrospek]

I don't understand either.. I thought I could top-up with whatever I want each month.. Isn't that the idea of Pay as you Go ?

[badgerman]

I dont get this. It talks about activating, and minimum top up. Does this mean you have to pay evey month? Effectively a contract with not many minuites/tets?

I am assuming thats only to qualify for those addional "free mins/txt". They cant have a min amount of £10 can they? :confused:

[sneeks]

Those prices are fair and are only marginally more expensive than I paid for my original iPhone on a 18 month contract. Not bad for anyone wanting to buy one to unlock.

[badgerman]

Those prices are fair and are only marginally more expensive than I paid for my original iPhone on a 18 month contract. Not bad for anyone wanting to buy one to unlock.

How much did unlocking the old one cost?

I guess this will have an effect on second hand prices of the old one?

[eyemacg5]

What about if I want to buy and put my current o2 Contract sim in, like i could do with any other o2 or unlocked phone?

[sneeks]

If you only top up £10 in a two month period then only the 1st month will benefit from any of the tariff choices. The second month your credit will simply be used as per the standard charges detailed here

http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/tariffs/paygo/talkalot

[sk8mash]

Now that I know the price, I am very tempted ot buy the original 16GB of eBay and save me some money.

[sneeks]

How much did unlocking the old one cost?

I guess this will have an effect on second hand prices of the old one?

Until they opted to sell cheap to clear old stock the 8gb handset was £269 so it's only increased by £30 and if you do use the o2 PAYG sim then that includes 6 months data.

[Concorde Rules]

How does the O2 PAYG work?

If I top up £15, I get the 500 free texts, does that mean I still have the 150 texts from the £15 I spent?

[sneeks]

Yes you should still have your £15 credit to spend as you wish, the tariff additions are a free incentive.

I quote: "We have a range of Pay & Go tariffs to suit your needs. Each tariff gives you a free allowance of minutes, texts or both depending on how much you top-up each month. You also have the amount you top-up each month to spend however you choose."

[Concorde Rules]

Yes you should still have your £15 credit to spend as you wish, the tariff additions are a free incentive.

I quote: "We have a range of Pay & Go tariffs to suit your needs. Each tariff gives you a free allowance of minutes, texts or both depending on how much you top-up each month. You also have the amount you top-up each month to spend however you choose."

QUALITY!

Ok im not going to be going to T-Mobile for the first 6 months then ha ha!

Quality :D

[Nicholas.C]

Yes you should still have your £15 credit to spend as you wish, the tariff additions are a free incentive.

I quote: "We have a range of Pay & Go tariffs to suit your needs. Each tariff gives you a free allowance of minutes, texts or both depending on how much you top-up each month. You also have the amount you top-up each month to spend however you choose."

so if we top up £30
we get unlimited texts for that month + the £30 calling credit?

[sneeks]

That's exactly right.

[Nicholas.C]

That's exactly right.

omg! i love o2 + apple loool buying one im gonna camp out on the 10th

[spinstorm]

Lets clarify this:

FREE Data and Internet for 6 Months on PAYG.

No one has ever done this - its a huge thing and seems to have slipped out of this post - 3G and Wi-Fi access and no charge for 6 months.

Second of all you can put as little or as much credit as you like on the phone but if you put a minimum every month you get extra bonus minutes/texts depending on the amount you top up which is on the O2 page.

So we are talking £40 more for the 8GB than originally but it is PAYG and there is no minimum contract and I assume you get the same Apple warranty which lets you swap it in apple stores if something goes wrong.

I think this is a very good price and a really good deal. I am on contract so for me its not something I would use but if I was not sure about a contract that is a great deal!

[gkarris]

You're excited about paying $600 for an 8Gig iPhone.

I don't get it, and it's still locked?

Yes, no contract, but you'll need to pay for service anyways...

[MattZani]

Tempting to sell my Touch and get one.... Wait until after xmas, as i can get by for a couple months on P&G, then see if there is a deal after xmas.

[Nicholas.C]

You're excited about paying $600 for an 8Gig iPhone.

I don't get it, and it's still locked?

Yes, no contract, but you'll need to pay for service anyways...

im only excsied cus i've been using this phone for 10 years

[razorianfly]

im only excsied cus i've been using this phone for 10 years

You now have a justified right to be excited.

R-Fly

[thefunkymunky]

I'd rather buy it on contract. I don't understand why so many people are against contracts. I typically keep a phone for around 2 years anyway and its not as if when your a existing iPhone customer you have to wait or buy out of your existing contract you can just upgrade. No penalties.

[Nicholas.C]

You now have a justified right to be excited.

R-Fly

esxcally loool, :D I'm hoping to get it on lunch day.

[MojoWill]

LOL come on guys wake up....

8GB iphone 3G = 299.99
minimum top up = 10.00 x 18 = 180.00
wireless net free for 6 months then 10.00 x 12 = 120.00

so on payg over 18 months the iphone will cost you 599.99 and you get rubbish tarriffs.

the 500 mins to o2 and landlines is ONLY FROM 1 LOCATION! they check your cell tower location so you can only call from home.

OR

300 TXT

OR

50 XNET OFF PEAK ONLY after 7pm

OR

Unlimited texts to O2

a pretty rubbish deal if you ask me!

or

contract

iphone 99
35 x 18 = 630

729 all in for UNLIMTED NET 600 MINS to however you like from wherever you like whenever you like AND 500 texts!

I'd rather pay the extra 130 quid cos on PAYG you are going to paying more than that in the extra credit you wuill need!

[MojoWill]

omg! i love o2 + apple loool buying one im gonna camp out on the 10th

this makes me laugh after all the bitching comments from people over the past few weeks!

[maddav]

It says free wi-fi, though I'm assuming that GPRS is still hyper-expensive due to it being PAYG? Or have I missed something?

[Nicholas.C]

this makes me laugh after all the bitching comments from people over the past few weeks!

lol, how?

[bensparrow]

What about if I want to buy and put my current o2 Contract sim in, like i could do with any other o2 or unlocked phone?

Can anybody answer this? Will someone on an o2 SIMplicity tariff, or someone in a current contract with o2 be able to put their SIM (provided its one of their 3G SIMs) in the new iPhone or do we think it will be tied to the supplied SIM??

[sk8mash]

Tell me if I understand this correctly.

When I activate my iPhone and top up £10 I get to choose either Favorite place and get 500 mins to UK landlines or O2 mobiles, or I choose Text anytime, and get 300 texts to anyone. All that as well as my £10 top-up, with a call charge of 25p per min for the first 3 mins, and 5p per min for any consecutive minuets?

What about the talkometer, O2 unlimited, and your country bundles?

As well as that, I get free data for the first 6 months?

Its the "If you buy the iPhone online at o2.co.uk, you can choose to buy either the Text Anytime or Favourite Place tariff. If you buy elsewhere you'll be set up to our Favourite Place tariff. If you prefer one of the other tariffs, you can easily change tariff once a month." That confuses me.

[spinstorm]

It is NOT a minimum top-up!

It says if you top up the minimum you get EXTRA texts/calls.

If you want to not top it up ever and just get incoming calls and free internet for 6 months you can.

Read it carefully!

[sneeks]

It says free wi-fi, though I'm assuming that GPRS is still hyper-expensive due to it being PAYG? Or have I missed something?

Unlimited browsing and wi-fi so all GPRS/Edge/3G browsing is included alongside Cloud and BT Openzone wifi access.

[MojoWill]

It is NOT a minimum top-up!

It says if you top up the minimum you get EXTRA texts/calls.

If you want to not top it up ever and just get incoming calls and free internet for 6 months you can.

Read it carefully!

what is the ****ing point of having a phone that you can't make calls on and if you aren't using it enough to put 10 quid a month on you shouldnt have a ****ing mobile phone kiddies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sananda]

LOL come on guys wake up....

8GB iphone 3G = 299.99
minimum top up = 10.00 x 18 = 180.00
wireless net free for 6 months then 10.00 x 12 = 120.00

so on payg over 18 months the iphone will cost you 599.99 and you get rubbish tarriffs.


you don't have to top up every month.

[yagran]

what is the ****ing point of having a phone that you can't make calls on and if you aren't using it enough to put 10 quid a month on you shouldnt have a ****ing mobile phone kiddies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chill out grandpa

[sneeks]

Not everyone wants to commit to a contract or has a credit history that allows them to have a 18 month contract. This is a good deal for those people.

[MojoWill]

Not everyone wants to or has a credit history that allows them to have a 18 month contract. This is a good deal for those people.


if you have a bad credit history perhaps you should be a bit more careful with your money than spending 300 quid on a phone!!!!!!!!

[iJed]

Well I think I'll be getting one of these to replace my iPod touch. I don't need a contract and the data prices on these are very reasonable for the mobile phone industry.

[spinstorm]

I agree with you but the point is if you just want to top it up once every now and then with £5 you can and you still get unlimited data for 6 months.

FREE unlimited data! Its a great deal and you get all the bonus incentives if you top up a minimum each month as well.

I believe the difference is that if you top up £10 at least each month you can choose from extra texts or calls and that is the difference between the "tariffs" - they are just letting you choose if you want extra calls or minutes!

[badgerman]

So some quick calculations to roughly compare to PAYG costs for 18m to an 18m contract;

8GB Month top up 18month cost Data cost after 6m total cost
£299.99 £10.00 £180.00 £120.00 £609.99
£299.99 £15.00 £270.00 £120.00 £704.99
£299.99 £20.00 £360.00 £120.00 £799.99
£299.99 £25.00 £450.00 £120.00 £894.99

16GB Month top up 18month cost Data cost after 6m total cost
£359.99 £10.00 £180.00 £120.00 £669.99
£359.99 £15.00 £270.00 £120.00 £764.99
£359.99 £20.00 £360.00 £120.00 £859.99
£359.99 £25.00 £450.00 £120.00 £954.99

Hence if you planning on keeping it for 18m your defo better off to contract?

anything less than PAYG?

[maddav]

Unlimited browsing and wi-fi so all GPRS/Edge/3G browsing is included alongside Cloud and BT Openzone wifi access.

Thanks, bit miffed though, as I'm spending the next year in the US, if I were in the UK I'd buy one of these one release!

[sneeks]

if you have a bad credit history perhaps you should be a bit more careful with your money than spending 300 quid on a phone!!!!!!!!

It seems clear you simply wish to disagree with any reason or opinion other than your own.

[C225]

Just a thought but if you top up by £10 a month after the first 6 months then that will be used for the Data but will this also give you the free extras for topping up as if it does it sounds like quite a good deal as the other credit you have will still be carried over till it runs then you just top up by £20 every couple of months say to keep the calling credit up and the data charge.

Or am i just talking rubbish?

[alFR]

Thanks, bit miffed though, as I'm spending the next year in the US, if I were in the UK I'd buy one of these one release!

Why not buy one and unlock it, then use it while you're away and after you get back?

[maddav]

Why not buy one and unlock it, then use it while you're away and after you get back?

I'd considered that, though unlimited data plans in the US start to get pricey, I like this for the relative cheapness of it.

[sneeks]

Just a thought but if you top up by £10 a month after the first 6 months then that will be used for the Data but will this also give you the free extras for topping up as if it does it sounds like quite a good deal as the other credit you have will still be carried over till it runs then you just top up by £20 every couple of months say to keep the calling credit up and the data charge.

Or am i just talking rubbish?

I would think that is correct.

[sananda]

Just a thought but if you top up by £10 a month after the first 6 months then that will be used for the Data but will this also give you the free extras for topping up as if it does it sounds like quite a good deal as the other credit you have will still be carried over till it runs then you just top up by £20 every couple of months say to keep the calling credit up.

Or am i just talking rubbish?

that's how it works with my present (although now discontinued) o2 pay and go tariff, talk anytime: i top up by £10 which gives me 50 mins and then from that £10 credit pay for the web bolt-on which costs £7.50. so i spent £10 and get 50 mins, 200MB of internet, and still have £2.50 credit left.

[DB2k]

are we getting a proper unlocked one in the UK? I assume Germany will be so I guess I can import if its got multi language on it?

Not having a contract as I dont pay for phone bill - just want a properly unlocked one that will let me set my own APNs etc .. prices anyone?

[razorianfly]

are we getting a proper unlocked one in the UK?

It won't be by any means 'unlocked'.

O2 for the first time, are offering the iPhone on Pay & Go, which basically means, instead of the contract stipulating when you pay the monthly fee, you can walk in and top-up money for the phone, paying for the phone in the process - monthly - and receiving call credit as well.

You'll still be on o2. You just won't be tied into a legally-binding contract.

If already knew how PAYG phones work, Feel free to slap me right now.

R-Fly

[-M7-]

are we getting a proper unlocked one in the UK? I assume Germany will be so I guess I can import if its got multi language on it?

Not having a contract as I dont pay for phone bill - just want a properly unlocked one that will let me set my own APNs etc .. prices anyone?

German iPhones will not be sold unlocked, AFAIK.

[C225]

I would think that is correct.

that's how it works with my present (although now discontinued) o2 pay and go tariff, talk anytime: i top up by £10 which gives me 50 mins and then from that £10 credit pay for the web bolt-on which costs £7.50. so i spent £10 and get 50 mins, 200MB of internet, and still have £2.50 credit left.

Thanks for clarifying that for me as if that is the case then it sounds a good deal for me as i'm a light user and would probably only need to top up the calling credit every couple of months as the extras would cover me for the first month easily as i text mainly.

So over 18 months it would cost me

£300 - phone
12*£10 = £120 - Data
£10 every 2 months = £90

Total = £510

[Eraserhead]

Where are the prices of the phone actually mentioned?

[badgerman]

Actually if you intend on keeping your 16GB until iphone 3.0 in 12months and need/do top up at least £20 pcm your better off on £45pcm contract for first 9months then drop to £30 and get all the free mins/texts (£734.99) and hope you can upgrade like the current iphone contracters can.

8GB / Month top up / 12month cost / Data cost after 6m / total cost
£299.99 £10.00 £120.00 £120.00 £549.99
£299.99 £15.00 £180.00 £120.00 £614.99
£299.99 £20.00 £240.00 £120.00 £679.99
£299.99 £25.00 £300.00 £120.00 £744.99

16GB / Month top up / 12month cost / Data cost after 6m / total cost
£359.99 £10.00 £120.00 £120.00 £609.99
£359.99 £15.00 £180.00 £120.00 £674.99
£359.99 £20.00 £240.00 £120.00 £739.99
£359.99 £25.00 £300.00 £120.00 £804.99

Decisions decisions... :D

[samab]

are we getting a proper unlocked one in the UK? I assume Germany will be so I guess I can import if its got multi language on it?

Not having a contract as I dont pay for phone bill - just want a properly unlocked one that will let me set my own APNs etc .. prices anyone?

Why would you think that the German one would be unlocked?

Vodafone Germany lost the lawsuit against T-Mobile Germany for the iphone injunction case in Germany. There is no law in Germany that requires unlocked phones in that country.

[Nicholas.C]

Thanks for clarifying that for me as if that is the case then it sounds a good deal for me as i'm a light user and would probably only need to top up the calling credit every couple of months as the extras would cover me for the first month easily as i text mainly.

So over 18 months it would cost me

£300 - phone
12*£10 = £120 - Data
£10 every 2 months = £90

Total = £510
if it's good, why not?

[sneeks]

Many people I know mainly text people rather than call them, these tariffs are good value for them. £10 a month will include 300 UK text messages and unlimited data. During the initial 6 months this will also provide an additional £10 of usable credit each month too. This has to be better value than a 18 month contract at £35 per month.

[badgerman]

Where are the prices of the phone actually mentioned?

O2 website, read the first post ;)

http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paygo

[C225]

if it's good, why not?

I will be getting it just got to wait til i can find the initial £300 to buy it. I wonder if i can use my student discount in a apple shop on it.:D

[DB2k]

Why would you think that the German one would be unlocked?

Vodafone Germany lost the lawsuit against T-Mobile Germany for the iphone injunction case in Germany. There is no law in Germany that requires unlocked phones in that country.

Didnt realise it failed. But Tmo were selling them unlocked.

[Nicholas.C]

I will be getting it just got to wait til i can find the initial £300 to buy it. I wonder if i can use my student discount in a apple shop on it.:D

Oh yeah, you get 10% discount if you put your student card on! I'm doing that!!

[stomer]

I'd rather buy it on contract. I don't understand why so many people are against contracts.
I don't have a problem with contracts per se. My total yearly spend on mobile calls is less than £100. If there were £5 a month contracts, then maybe I'd consider getting one.

[punitnaker]

if your an existing o2 customer, not eligible for upgrade, can you buy a Pay and Go and put your existing sim card into the phone? or is it locked to that one Pay and Go sim card??

[Nicholas.C]

I think it's unblocked on the o2 network only, so that means only people on o2.

[netdog]

As somebody who agreed to an 18 month contract on November 9 when I bought my iPhone, can I "upgrade" to a pay as you go and get out of my current 18 month deal and avoid getting sucked into another one?

[DB2k]

As somebody who agreed to an 18 month contract on November 9 when I bought my iPhone, can I "upgrade" to a pay as you go and get out of my current 18 month deal and avoid getting sucked into another one?

I doubt it very much

[stomer]

Won't O2 unlock the phone for you? They are obliged to. For a small admin fee of course.

[Nicholas.C]

Won't O2 unlock the phone for you? They are obliged to. For a small admin fee of couse.

they can unlock your sim via the puk?

[sk8mash]

Oh yeah, you get 10% discount if you put your student card on! I'm doing that!!

10% discount on what with a student card, and at which shop?

[Nicholas.C]

10% discount on what with a student card, and at which shop?

any shop

[stomer]

they can unlock your sim via the puk?
I don't know how they'd do it, but I believe that they are under obligation to do so under UK law.

Virgin unlocked my PAYG phone in exchange for buying a £30 top up.

[badgerman]

You can port your mob number from another network if go on PAYG.

To keep your existing number, just contact your current network provider for a PAC code. Then let us know your PAC code when you purchase your iPhone in-store, or contact us online when you have received your iPhone 3G. Your existing number will be transferred within two working days of us receiving the PAC code. We'll give you a temporary number whilst you wait for your number to transfer so you can continue to use your iPhone 3G.

[spinstorm]

You won't be able to "upgrade" to PAYG from a iPhone contract.

And even if you were able to unlock the new iPhone I don't know if O2 would know you were using a 2G contact SIM in a 3G version - I don't know if they differentiate between EDGE and 3G data access in any way. But you wouldn't want a nasty surprise for using your unlimited data on 3G without an official 3G contact.

Having said that I am sure that the devteam will come up with an unlock for the new phone eventually so you could unlock it and use any SIM you liked.

[badgerman]

So can I use the O2 Home 100 bolt on; 100 anyone, anytime minutes each month from home to UK fixed lines and all UK network mobiles for £9.99 per month, top up 1p and get the 300 text anytime, plus the unlimited data after the free 6months?

[samab]

Didnt realise it failed. But Tmo were selling them unlocked.

TMO Germany sold unlocked iphones --- for 1 week and for 999 euro. Then they won the lawsuit and stop selling them.

[samab]

I don't know how they'd do it, but I believe that they are under obligation to do so under UK law.

Virgin unlocked my PAYG phone in exchange for buying a £30 top up.

O2 is under no obligation to do anything. There isn't any UK laws on providing unlocking codes.

[omikjam]

Oh yeah, you get 10% discount if you put your student card on! I'm doing that!!

Student discounts don't apply to the ipods so it probably won't apply to the iphone either.

[Eraserhead]

O2 website, read the first post ;)

http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paygo

O2's damn website wasn't displaying that as it hadn't refreshed ;).

[stomer]

O2 is under no obligation to do anything. There isn't any UK laws on providing unlocking codes.
You're right, I stand corrected.

[mmoosa]

O2 is under no obligation to do anything. There isn't any UK laws on providing unlocking codes.



There needs to be one.

[tyr2]

10 quid a month for unlimited data doesn't sound too bad a deal, especially as 02 are allowing tethering, that's cheaper than most of the 'Mobile Broadband' dongles out there.

[sananda]

10 quid a month for unlimited data doesn't sound too bad a deal, especially as 02 are allowing tethering, that's cheaper than most of the 'Mobile Broadband' dongles out there.

are they?

[m4rc]

10 quid a month for unlimited data doesn't sound too bad a deal, especially as 02 are allowing tethering, that's cheaper than most of the 'Mobile Broadband' dongles out there.


Do you have a source for that? I was under the impression they would not allow it, plus there was no way of connecting the iPhone to a laptop to use the data connection anyway. I would love for that not to be the case, I would make a lot of use of that!

[DB2k]

Do you have a source for that? I was under the impression they would not allow it, plus there was no way of connecting the iPhone to a laptop to use the data connection anyway. I would love for that not to be the case, I would make a lot of use of that!

why, does it not have bluetooth?

[badgerman]

why, does it not have bluetooth?

yes, but not for data transfer just to audio devices.

[mmoosa]

or you could just use the sim card in a nokia or whatever phone that does have that feature

[The Phazer]

Do you have a source for that? I was under the impression they would not allow it, plus there was no way of connecting the iPhone to a laptop to use the data connection anyway. I would love for that not to be the case, I would make a lot of use of that!

http://www.9to5mac.com/o2-iphone

I'm afraid I don't believe it's true, as nice as it would be.

Phazer

[tyr2]

http://www.9to5mac.com/o2-iphone

I'm afraid I don't believe it's true, as nice as it would be.

Phazer

Ah sorry I thought it had been confirmed, obviously not. Sorry if I got anyone too excited!

[m4rc]

why, does it not have bluetooth?

Might as well not have, its uses are VERY limited.

[Willis]

Ok, you can top up whatever you want to top up. However, if you top up to those 'guidelines' they are the perks you get.

So you can put £20 on and leave it for 2 months, chances are, you will use it WAY before that time because you wont be able to use the benefits you would otherwise get.

Basically, they make more money out of you if you dont top up regulary than if you do. I still personally think the contract is the more attractive deal. After 6 months, I still have unlimited data without paying £10 a month.

[badgerman]

As I read the tariffs after 6 months you have to pay £10 just for the data this is not a top up so you dont get any of those offers or anything?

Hence people thinking they can only use £10 pcm cant use data and talk/text for this amount?

[DB2k]

yes, but not for data transfer just to audio devices.

OMG. that's a deal breaker for me. Sometimes apple are just so pathetic. Worse than MS for locking things down. Really sad - they just lost £400 from me.

[Willis]

As I read the tariffs after 6 months you have to pay £10 just for the data this is not a top up so you dont get any of those offers or anything?

Hence people thinking they can only use £10 pcm cant use data and talk/text for this amount?

Its £10 extra a month for data after the first 6 months. That will be subscription, so if you used £10 a month to top up, after 6 months, it would cost £20

Clear now?

[Willis]

OMG. that's a deal breaker for me. Sometimes apple are just so pathetic. Worse than MS for locking things down. Really sad - they just lost £400 from me.

its a pain yes, but.. we dont know if its locked out on this iPhone too... you just never know. chances are it is.

[Hdunlopclark]

I am assuming thats only to qualify for those addional "free mins/txt". They cant have a min amount of £10 can they? :confused:

You are 100% correct. To qualify for the deal like free texts you have to top up that much a month. You can go months without topping up just not get the mins or texts free.

Harry:apple:

[badgerman]

Its £10 extra a month for data after the first 6 months. That will be subscription, so if you used £10 a month to top up, after 6 months, it would cost £20

Clear now?

Yep, so if I get the O2 home 100 bolt on, for £9.99 pcm & top up 1p I would get 100mins any time plus 300 txts anytime (cos iam over £10pcm). Then after 6 months I would pay the extra £10pcm for the data.

SO for £479 over 12months I would get a 16GB with 100mins, 300txts pcm & unlimited data? Not bad. :D

[a456]

Far more generous than I was expecting. So:

8 GB - £99 on 18 month contract (of £30) = £639 total before contract free

8 GB - £299 no contract (+ 12 x £10 for data to cover remainder of 18 months) = £419

So as long as I don't spend more than £220 on calls (£12.22 a month) over an 18 month period the Pay & Go is a better deal.

Sounds good to me and if you can stop and start data on a month by month basis even better - see how much I actually spend then opt in or opt out. Well done Apple/O2 with the pricing.

[iMachine]

The six months' free data offer is the clever bit, since that reduces the incentive for the phone to be unlocked (that is if it can be unlocked) for at least six months - you would lose your free 3G data allowance as a minimum if you used it on another network.

Also it makes the £299 price tag seem more reasonable as well, especially for very occasional phone users like myself :)

[Hdunlopclark]

is it just me or has all the info gone from the o2 site???

[spinstorm]

Yes it has gone.

It was most likely an error to put that information on so soon as it still said "coming soon" on the main page and it was only when you clicked on it that all the other information appeared!

Nevertheless we now know the pricing so its good!

[badgerman]

is it just me or has all the info gone from the o2 site???

WTF???

iPhone is coming soon for Pay & Go

Customers will soon be able to enjoy all the great features of iPhone without a monthly contract with the iPhone for Pay & Go.

Just register your interest opposite and we'll drop you a line in early July to tell you what you need to do to be one of the first to get your hands on the new 3G iPhone.

More information on the new iPhone will be available shortly so come back in a few days or visit www.apple.com

[Hdunlopclark]

Thanks,

thought it had.

[Nicholas.C]

:/ they changed it back noq

[johnnyi]

Is it me or has the price and everything gone from the 02 website ?
Very weird.

Johnny

[Nicholas.C]

thats bent tbh...

[redgaz26]

if you click on the pay monthly bit and then the tarrifs thats also not working, something wrong with the site me thinks:confused:

[Nicholas.C]

i think they're changing prices

10p says they've added more money to it

[badgerman]

Is it me or has the price and everything gone from the 02 website ?
Very weird.

Johnny

Yep, gone back to the text from this morning. Have all these PAYG calculations been a dream :eek:

[samthegap]

Those prices are fair and are only marginally more expensive than I paid for my original iPhone on a 18 month contract. Not bad for anyone wanting to buy one to unlock.

Yeah but will you be able to unlock out of the box once it is 'activated'??

[Nicholas.C]

Yep, gone back to the text from this morning. Have all these PAYG calculations been a dream :eek:

i hope not!!!

[Masterle]

Hello I have a little question.
On a PAG Tarif you must charge every month money on the account ?

[johnnyi]

They better not put the prices up. They better put the prices down it is as expensive at the price right now.

Johnny

[Nicholas.C]

Hello I have a little question.
On a PAG Tarif you must charge every month money on the account ?

if you put that question simplier i can awnser it

[redgaz26]

Hello I have a little question.
On a PAG Tarif you must charge every month money on the account ?

no you don't have to put money in the phone every month but if you do you get a better deal i think:D

[Masterle]

Do I pay each month on a PAG Tarif
I Hope this is simpler :)

[Project]

The six months' free data offer is the clever bit, since that reduces the incentive for the phone to be unlocked (that is if it can be unlocked) for at least six months - you would lose your free 3G data allowance as a minimum if you used it on another network.

Also it makes the £299 price tag seem more reasonable as well, especially for very occasional phone users like myself :)

It is very clever.

O2 have definitely done their homework with this.

[Eraserhead]

Do I pay each month on a PAG Tarif

Only if you want free minutes and unlimited data ;).

[redgaz26]

in my humble opinion this all sounds a bit of a hassle £299 at least for the phone and then working out how much to put in every month.
better off with the £35 a month contract, phone for £99 and bob's your uncle:D

[Nicholas.C]

I think they're chaning the prices around :)

[sara123456]

Yeah the 16GB Iphone is now £459.99 :D

[johnnyi]

I don't want to go to my bed now incase the change the price. How sad am I.

lol :apple:

Johnny

[Red-red]

What happens if your a existing iphone customer, Your getting the new iphone and giving your old one to somebody else?

I'm guessing you won't get the free 6 months data?

[BongoBanger]

O2's damn website wasn't displaying that as it hadn't refreshed ;).

It's still not showing any prices for me, just:

iPhone is coming soon for Pay & Go

Customers will soon be able to enjoy all the great features of iPhone without a monthly contract with the iPhone for Pay & Go.

Just register your interest opposite and we'll drop you a line in early July to tell you what you need to do to be one of the first to get your hands on the new 3G iPhone.

More information on the new iPhone will be available shortly so come back in a few days or visit www.apple.com

Also, if I get another phone on an O2 contract can I just pop the sim out and use it in the PAYG iPhone?

[Eraserhead]

It's still not showing any prices for me, just:

Try refreshing the page, or loading it in a different browser, it did that for me earlier.

Also, if I get another phone on an O2 contract can I just pop the sim out and use it in the PAYG iPhone?

No idea. It might be worth asking, they might also let you upgrade to a new contract early.

[BongoBanger]

Still not working and now the contract tariffs page has seized up too!

[captain kaos]

O2 website, read the first post ;)

http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paygo

I think I may be stupid, that o2 link doesn't show any prices.

[redgaz26]

if you click on the pay monthly bit and then the tarrifs thats also not working, something wrong with the site me thinks:confused:



keep up i said that nearly an hour a go:D

[nwlondonlad]

Yeah they have been on the macrumours forum and have read how people were happy with the pay and go prices and will now bump up the prices further:eek:

[Eraserhead]

I think I may be stupid, that o2 link doesn't show any prices.

Yeah, for some people it isn't working yet, including me earlier, but it is there. Try refreshing or using a different browser.

[BruceEBonus]

No - it wasnt a dream .. go here for evidence folks ....

http://www.digmo.co.uk/mobile/iphone-payg-pricing-announced/

If they faff about and renege on this deal then what hope for O2's integrity in the future?

I know their Customer Service used to be THE worst when I had my XDA Exec ... a few years back - I was going to get the 3G iPhone and come off T-Mobile ...but now .. not so sure ... at least TMobile have excellent back up service ... anyone had recent of O2 and whether theyve improved after sales on the phone-help side over past two years?

I know it couldnt have got any worse at least!

[Willis]

Yep, so if I get the O2 home 100 bolt on, for £9.99 pcm & top up 1p I would get 100mins any time plus 300 txts anytime (cos iam over £10pcm). Then after 6 months I would pay the extra £10pcm for the data.

SO for £479 over 12months I would get a 16GB with 100mins, 300txts pcm & unlimited data? Not bad. :D

Not quite.

For PAYG, you can only use the iPhone bundle. You cant buy the iPhone on it's own and use your own 02 PAYG sim, it has to be the one supplied with the iPhone and on the iPhone tariff.

Also, minimum top up is usually £5/10 so you cant top up '1p' as you suggest. Either way, that wouldn't work regardless.

As a side note, 02's Website is no longer displaying the prices for the PAYG iPhone or the tariffs on the contract.

Dun dun dun!

[m4rc]

... anyone had recent of O2 and whether theyve improved after sales on the phone-help side over past two years?

I know it couldnt have got any worse at least!



I have been an O2 customer for years and have experienced them at their worst! I currently have 3 accounts with them, and a dozen business accounts (business is handled by a separate unit and you get treated like God!) and in my opinion their service is now great. I have also in the last few years had Vodafone accounts, Orange accounts and I have one account with 3, O2 is by far the best service. The iPhone has its own team offering support and they are all very eager and friendly. It might go downhill as the iPhone gains in popularity though, of course!

[captain kaos]

No - it wasnt a dream .. go here for evidence folks ....

http://www.digmo.co.uk/mobile/iphone-payg-pricing-announced/

If they faff about and renege on this deal then what hope for O2's integrity in the future?

I know their Customer Service used to be THE worst when I had my XDA Exec ... a few years back - I was going to get the 3G iPhone and come off T-Mobile ...but now .. not so sure ... at least TMobile have excellent back up service ... anyone had recent of O2 and whether theyve improved after sales on the phone-help side over past two years?

I know it couldnt have got any worse at least!

phew!! I as panicing there for a moment! I think the white 16gb is in order! Seriously, if the put up those prices by mistake and they change it, there will be hell to pay!

[Hdunlopclark]

wouldent that be falce advertizing if they changed the price now :cool:

[Eraserhead]

As a side note, 02's Website is no longer displaying the prices for the PAYG iPhone or the tariffs on the contract.

Dun dun dun!

Oooh, so they might still change their prices...

[Willis]

phew!! I as panicing there for a moment! I think the white 16gb is in order! Seriously, if the put up those prices by mistake and they change it, there will be hell to pay!

what if they lower it? =P

[abrooks]

wouldent that be falce advertizing if they changed the price now :cool:

No, retailers have the right to change the price of a product at any point before you contractually agree (when you pay). You could even pick an item off a shelf at Asda and by the time you walk to the checkout they could have changed the price.

False advertising would be selling you a car that says it has Air con and it doesn't.

[nwlondonlad]

Not quite.

For PAYG, you can only use the iPhone bundle. You cant buy the iPhone on it's own and use your own 02 PAYG sim, it has to be the one supplied with the iPhone and on the iPhone tariff.

Also, minimum top up is usually £5/10 so you cant top up '1p' as you suggest. Either way, that wouldn't work regardless.

I really hope your wrong about this as there will be quite a lot of people already on o2 pay and go who would just like to pop their old sim into the new iphone. I for one don't really care for the free 6 months free wifi. Just wanna pop my o2 simplicity sim into the 3G iphone and cross my fingers. If that doesn't work then i'll have to go down the unlocking route (again)

[draperm25]

Hi All,

One thing i have noticed on the o2 website is that when you even check the Monthly contract part, when you click on the tariffs part, that dont even load?

What's happening?

[babyjenniferLB]

if you have a bad credit history perhaps you should be a bit more careful with your money than spending 300 quid on a phone!!!!!!!!

What if you have a great credit history but no one will give you credit because you have no bad credit.

[Willis]

I really hope your wrong about this as there will be quite a lot of people already on o2 pay and go who would just like to pop their old sim into the new iphone. I for one don't really care for the free 6 months free wifi. Just wanna pop my o2 simplicity sim into the 3G iphone and cross my fingers. If that doesn't work then i'll have to go down the unlocking route (again)

Well, would you be able to explain the reason why they have those** PAYG tariff for the iPhone? :rolleyes:

Another reason I believe this is true is that it states (or did), if you are able to upgrade (oddly) you can gain a discount on the iPhone's cost or gain it in credit.

**The tariffs they offered were only, Favourite Place, Talkalotmore, Text Anytime, 02 unlimited and Your country. The Pay and Go Bolt On's werent an option.

Linky (http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/tariffs/paygo/paygotariffs)

They could prove me wrong and allow this, but my point earlier saying you can't top up 1p still stands. You would need to top up more.

[draperm25]

Hi All,

I work for a major retailer and the minimum amount you can top-up with or get an e-voucher for o2 is £10 you could before get a £5 top-up but now its only Orange and Vodafone that still do a £5 top-up.

[alabastercodify]

Hi All,

I work for a major retailer and the minimum amount you can top-up with or get an e-voucher for o2 is £10 you could before get a £5 top-up but now its only Orange and Vodafone that still do a £5 top-up.

Virgin do as well.

[captain kaos]

what if they lower it? =P

well obviously thats ok!, but can you really see that happening?!

[TonyHoyle]

This sounds like a dream deal for me - 99% of my iphone usage is browsing.. I need a phone in case someone needs to contact me, but rarely call out on it since it's cheaper to use the home/office phone. Buy the phone, do an initial topup and have unlimited browsing for 6 months? Sweet deal. And after 6 months I unlock and go to a better 3G network (O2's 3G network is only 1.8MBps and has poor coverage, so I wouldn't stick around unless that changed fairly radically).

I'm not sure I believe it though... It's too cheap.

[sgd88]

Anyone think that you'll be able to use a O2 simplicity (sim only) contract in these Pay As You Go iPhones?

I'm quite a heavy user of texts and minutes, and I'd have to get a very expensive iPhone contract if I was to get it on contract. But if I could get it on PAYG and use a SIM only contract (listed here: http://shop.o2.co.uk/tariffs/sim_only ) then it would be affordable.

How likely do you think it is that it will be possible to use them?

[daneoni]

Anyone think that you'll be able to use a O2 simplicity (sim only) contract in these Pay As You Go iPhones?


I want to know this as well, after all, simplicity users for the most part would be paying more than PAYG customers. So why not let simplicity users buy the phone at £300 and activate it to their simplicity tariff?

Only if they allow this will i consider iPhone 3G. Im just not a PAYG/18-month Contract person. Simplicity is all i know & love

[TonyHoyle]

Can't see why not... O2 are still getting their money after all. We'll just have to wait and see.

If not, just wait for the unlock.

[MojoWill]

What if you have a great credit history but no one will give you credit because you have no bad credit.

that makes no sense,

my point was that people where saying they would get the iPhone PAYG cos they had bad credit and couldnt get a contract phone.

my point was that if you have bad credit then surely using the 300 pounds to pay of angry creditors might be a better move than spending it on a high end consumer electronic, you have to live within your means, if you can't afford it don't get it.

[DB2k]

its a pain yes, but.. we dont know if its locked out on this iPhone too... you just never know. chances are it is.

I see .. the other responses were rather sure of themselves. I don't see what the point in giving a handset hsdpa is if you won't allow it to be a modem over bluetooth
fingers crossed!
thanks

[Project]

I don't see what the point in giving a handset hsdpa is if you won't allow it to be a modem over bluetooth
fingers crossed!
thanks


are you kidding? How about just plain better browsing speeds? perhaps 0.5% of all people tether their laptops to the phone modem.

[a456]

Only if you want free minutes and unlimited data ;).

The unlimited data is standard for six months and £10 thereafter, not tied to top-ups. You don't have to top-up at all is my understanding, but if you top-up in excess of £10 a month you receive a range of bonuses - for example you receive free minutes to use your phone from a registered address and free text messages. The way they explain it on their site is just confusing.

perhaps 0.5% of all people tether their laptops to the phone modem.

If you've ever tried doing it you'll know why, but if Apple can get it to just work then people would do this instead of buying a 3G dongle for their laptops.

[Yossarian]

If you've ever tried doing it you'll know why, but if Apple can get it to just work then people would do this instead of buying a 3G dongle for their laptops.

It is trivially easy with Personal Area Network devices (loads of Sony Ericssons HSDPA models...), the challenge for Apple is to make it as good as, for instance, a Sony Ericsson W890i.

[captain kaos]

Well i think O2 has used us on this one!

Think about it, what a perfect way to know your price point. Knowing full well how the romour sites work and how everyone is keeping an eye on the PAYG section of their site, they place the prices up for an hour or so, watch the fall out and then remove said prices. Now they know how to set their prices and gauge the reaction on the real price anounocment day!

Either that or someone has royally co*ked up!

[badgerman]

Well, would you be able to explain the reason why they have those** PAYG tariff for the iPhone? :rolleyes:

Another reason I believe this is true is that it states (or did), if you are able to upgrade (oddly) you can gain a discount on the iPhone's cost or gain it in credit.

**The tariffs they offered were only, Favourite Place, Talkalotmore, Text Anytime, 02 unlimited and Your country. The Pay and Go Bolt On's werent an option.

Linky (http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/tariffs/paygo/paygotariffs)

They could prove me wrong and allow this, but my point earlier saying you can't top up 1p still stands. You would need to top up more.

OK, so lets assume when O2 decide to put the costs/tariffs back up they are the same. :rolleyes: Also that you are elible for contract. And your comparing over 18months, so I guess have to assume that can upgrade to iphone 3.0 in 12months by starting a new contract - just for costing assumptions. ;)

Then if no bolt ons are possible and none of the iphone tariffs offered any anytime non-O2 UK call tarrifs (just the talkalot off peak). The standard cost to non o2 is 25p per min. Therefore if you make more than 14 calls a month longer than 3 mins during the day then your better off on contract? :eek:

£360 16GB, £120 data for 12m (after free 6m,) plus £10.5 pcm on those 14 calls for 18months (your would also get 300 uK texts) = £669.

Whilst cheapest contract is £735 (a difference of £66 over 18months).

Hence if you spend at least an additional £3.6 pcm (on other calls £66-18m). Plus the caveat of only topping up to nearest £10, but I am just working out actual spend (which sets the min) rather than top up. Then contract is the way to go?

I think. :confused:

[koobcamuk]

Can anybody answer this? Will someone on an o2 SIMplicity tariff, or someone in a current contract with o2 be able to put their SIM (provided its one of their 3G SIMs) in the new iPhone or do we think it will be tied to the supplied SIM??

You'll need to bypass activation. I did this with the original iPhone and my brother currently has it.

[captain kaos]

Hear Hear ;)

I second that!

Im hoping that i can put in my contract O2 SIM in (that doesnt run out till Feb 2009) and then just add an unlimited data to it. BUT i do have a feeling that to stop any hacking they are going to tie the PAYG SIM that comes with the phone to the phone...also i suppose they'll know how much you top up so if you swap out the original SIM they'll know about it! Maybe a way to get around that is to put say £10-£20 on the PAYG SIM, swap it out to an O2 contract SIM, then if they ask you can argue that never really use the talk time or texts?

Thoughts??

[Aravintht]

I second that!

Im hoping that i can put in my contract O2 SIM in (that doesnt run out till Feb 2009) and then just add an unlimited data to it. BUT i do have a feeling that to stop any hacking they are going to tie the PAYG SIM that comes with the phone to the phone...also i suppose they'll know how much you top up so if you swap out the original SIM they'll know about it! Maybe a way to get around that is to put say £10-£20 on the PAYG SIM, swap it out to an O2 contract SIM, then if they ask you can argue that never really use the talk time or texts?

Thoughts??

if im not mistaken, you'll have make a charged call every 180 days to keep the sim active. but apart from that, your plan seems fine.

[captain kaos]

if im not mistaken, you'll have make a charged call every 180 days to keep the sim active. but apart from that, your plan seems fine.

Lovely!:)

My cunning plan is almost at fruition! :D

[a456]

Well i think O2 has used us on this one!

Think about it, what a perfect way to know your price point. Knowing full well how the romour sites work and how everyone is keeping an eye on the PAYG section of their site, they place the prices up for an hour or so, watch the fall out and then remove said prices. Now they know how to set their prices and gauge the reaction on the real price anounocment day!

Either that or someone has royally co*ked up!

In that case lets start moaning like mad about the price and demand 18 months of free data. :D

[a456]

No, retailers have the right to change the price of a product at any point before you contractually agree (when you pay). You could even pick an item off a shelf at Asda and by the time you walk to the checkout they could have changed the price.

False advertising would be selling you a car that says it has Air con and it doesn't.

I don't think this would qualify as false advertising because they took action to take down the prices without delay, but if you see something advertised in a shop window at a certain price then there is a certain obligation for the seller to sell it at that price if purchasing there and then. The Internet, however, has given sellers no end of excuses.

I bought a copy of CS3 from quite a large Internet seller and nowhere on their site was there mention of it being an upgrade version. The only thing that identified it as such was the product number, which had to be cross checked with other sellers. When it arrived I tried to argue that I had bought it in good faith - in fact I had telephoned before I ordered and the staff were clueless as to the details - but they would only refund and not supply full version.

[alabastercodify]

I just don't understand what o2 are playing at. Why didn't they just put the prices up along with the contract prices in the first place? Why have they now taken them down? If it was mistake and someone put them on the site too early, it's too late now. Everyone knows what was on there yesterday. They should have just kept the prices on there. This is becoming stupid.

[razorianfly]

.. And now the monthly contract tariffs won't even load. Great. :rolleyes:

Anyone think they may be lowering the prices? (PAYG/Contract) :cool:

R-Fly

[a456]

I just don't understand what o2 are playing at. Why didn't they just put the prices up along with the contract prices in the first place? Why have they now taken them down? If it was mistake and someone put them on the site too early, it's too late now. Everyone knows what was on there yesterday. They should have just kept the prices on there. This is becoming stupid.

Apart from Macworld who claim the 16 GB was priced at £400: http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=21803 Definitely an error, I'm sure because the source they give says £359.

I totally agree, though, my only thought is that they either have been forced to wait because other operators are delaying their announcements in other parts of the world or they don't want contract heads, who can pre-register, to think too closely about the possibility of Pay & Go. Or is there some announcement yet to come that iPhone will be available as a Pay & Go from multiple providers - hence the attractive free data being offered and the sale of iPhones by Ohmac.

[The Phazer]

I just don't understand what o2 are playing at. Why didn't they just put the prices up along with the contract prices in the first place? Why have they now taken them down? If it was mistake and someone put them on the site too early, it's too late now. Everyone knows what was on there yesterday. They should have just kept the prices on there. This is becoming stupid.

They're obviously being held for a full marketing launch. They've been pulled because marketing doesn't think about a few hundred people on message boards as being nearly as important as being "joined up" to millions of people.

Phazer

[senorFunkyPants]

I don't think this would qualify as false advertising because they took action to take down the prices without delay, but if you see something advertised in a shop window at a certain price then there is a certain obligation for the seller to sell it at that price if purchasing there and then.

Not quite so...an advertised price is a simple invitation to treat..the transaction is only binding when money has changed hands.


The Internet, however, has given sellers no end of excuses.

AIUI you have slightly more protection when buying over the internet with the "Distance Selling Regulations".

[brightlights]

Not quite so...an advertised price is a simple invitation to treat..the transaction is only binding when money has changed hands.

AIUI you have slightly more protection when buying over the internet with the "Distance Selling Regulations".

Correct on both counts.

http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/after_you_buy/online_shopping/your-rights/

[captain kaos]

I feel we're being held captive.....just waiting and waiting! As its been mentioned, we now know the prices, just release them O2!!

It is getting silly now and my energy for waiting is getting thin!:D

[Project]

I don't think this would qualify as false advertising because they took action to take down the prices without delay, but if you see something advertised in a shop window at a certain price then there is a certain obligation for the seller to sell it at that price if purchasing there and then. The Internet, however, has given sellers no end of excuses.

I bought a copy of CS3 from quite a large Internet seller and nowhere on their site was there mention of it being an upgrade version. The only thing that identified it as such was the product number, which had to be cross checked with other sellers. When it arrived I tried to argue that I had bought it in good faith - in fact I had telephoned before I ordered and the staff were clueless as to the details - but they would only refund and not supply full version.

O2 or any other store online or offline are under no obligation to sell you anything at the listed/advertised price if it was a mistake, though may well do so as a gesture of good will if they felt necessary. The advertisement isn't an offer, its an invitation to treat. The money you go to the till with is the offer, which they can choose to accept or not

[Willis]

OK, so lets assume when O2 decide to put the costs/tariffs back up they are the same. :rolleyes: Also that you are elible for contract. And your comparing over 18months, so I guess have to assume that can upgrade to iphone 3.0 in 12months by starting a new contract - just for costing assumptions. ;)

Then if no bolt ons are possible and none of the iphone tariffs offered any anytime non-O2 UK call tarrifs (just the talkalot off peak). The standard cost to non o2 is 25p per min. Therefore if you make more than 14 calls a month longer than 3 mins during the day then your better off on contract? :eek:

£360 16GB, £120 data for 12m (after free 6m,) plus £10.5 pcm on those 14 calls for 18months (your would also get 300 uK texts) = £669.

Whilst cheapest contract is £735 (a difference of £66 over 18months).

Hence if you spend at least an additional £3.6 pcm (on other calls £66-18m). Plus the caveat of only topping up to nearest £10, but I am just working out actual spend (which sets the min) rather than top up. Then contract is the way to go?

I think. :confused:

from what I can tell, yes, if I was to buy an iPhone and spend ~£20 a month on top ups for 18 months, I would save £60 over the contract, but gain alot less. I use around 200 mins+ and at 25p/min thats £50. Then include £10 a month for data after 6 months for a year. So I would end up paying alot more for what I use, so a £35 contract for me is the best option.

Also, as far as I can tell, the PAYG Tariffs that were shown are the same for all phones that 02 sell. They just haven't included all the PAYG options for the iPhone. This however, could change since they have taken the prices off.

As for contract, I hope they up the minutes and texts because if you top up over £30 a month on PAYG, you got unlimited texts. its was 500 on all contracts before. :o

[frosse]

Okay let me get this straight, The O2 P2G iPhone comes with no subscription at all, right? I mean, that's why its a P2G phone.

Appleinsider displays (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/25/o2_paygo_iphones_start_at_299_make_data_optional.html) different data and calling plans for the iPhone from O2, how come?

Would it be possible for me as a Swede to go to UK and just buy the damn phone, take it home and unlock it? :confused:
'Cause I really dont want to sign up for a contract in Sweden with Telia "blowjob" Sonera. I'd rather just buy it and use it with my carrier instead.

[DB2k]

are you kidding? How about just plain better browsing speeds? perhaps 0.5% of all people tether their laptops to the phone modem.

because its a phone.. I've had plenty of 3G phones before and browsing speed is fine. Adding HSDPA is better for file transfer and other things like syncing outlook. I dont really think it adds THAT much to browsing in general.

0.5%? I don't think so. I work in a business world. Perhaps you work in starbucks.

[iMachine]

Would it be possible for me as a Swede to go to UK and just buy the damn phone, take it home and unlock it? :confused:
'Cause I really dont want to sign up for a contract in Sweden with Telia "blowjob" Sonera. I'd rather just buy it and use it with my carrier instead.
I know you can sometimes get cheap flights from Sweden to the UK, but I would be inclined to find out what other carriers in mainland Europe are going to charge for official unlocked iPhones.

And you may have to wait a long time for a third party unlocking solution if Apple have improved the security of the device.

[frosse]

I know you can sometimes get cheap flights from Sweden to the UK, but I would be inclined to find out what other carriers in mainland Europe are going to charge for official unlocked iPhones.

And you may have to wait a long time for a third party unlocking solution if Apple have improved the security of the device.
If I buy it in UK I'll just ask one of my friends, they go there all the time :)

And of course I'll wait and see what the other carriers have to offer in EU :D



Edit: O2's price is a lot better for the 16 GB when comparing to Vodafone's price. £360 vs £451. Hopefully we'll see the other countries prices soon, like Germany and France.

Is electronics generally cheaper in UK than rest of EU?


The best would be if AT&T and/or Apple released a PAYG phone in the US, imagine the price there :) Me like.

Edit 2: Do you really think that there will be officially unlocked phones in EU?

but I would be inclined to find out what other carriers in mainland Europe are going to charge for official unlocked iPhones

[sijambo]

O2's price is a lot better for the 16 GB when comparing to Vodafone's price. £360 vs £451.?

Absolutely. I already booked a flight to Italy to get my iPhone there because I thought that with the expensive British Pound there would be no way it would be cheaper in UK... Well, now I'm about to book a Ryanair flight to London instead, so I really hope that those O2 prices were real and that they'll still have iPhones in stock a week after launch!


Hopefully we'll see the other countries prices soon, like Germany and France.
German T-Mobile prices have already been announced, but there will be no PAYG option here :(
Orange has announced the French prices today, but it seems that this time around the won't have PAYG either.

BTW, O2 has commented (or rather declined to comment) on the price slip by now: http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/15690/16714/O2-no-comment-iphone-payg.phtml

[captain kaos]

BTW, O2 has commented (or rather declined to comment) on the price slip by now: http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/15690/16714/O2-no-comment-iphone-payg.phtml

I knew it! At least we know the prices are official, just we shouldn't have seen them yet!

Now lets see whether O2 keep those prices, or "re adjust" them!

[badgerman]

BTW, O2 has commented (or rather declined to comment) on the price slip by now: http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/15690/16714/O2-no-comment-iphone-payg.phtml


:o LOL, now that is funny.

[sneeks]

Someone in the o2 marketing department probably thought it was a good way to generate a buzz around the PAYG announcement by pulling the details shortly after they appeared online. I'd not be surprised if it was a calculated act. If so it worked and the mishap now appears on several news feeds today.

[badgerman]

Someone in the o2 marketing department probably thought it was a good way to generate a buzz around the PAYG announcement by pulling the details shortly after they appeared online. I'd not be surprised if it was a calculated act. If so it worked and the mishap now appears on several news feeds today.

What pulling the feed has a greater impact than releasing it and keeping it up?

This country! :confused:

[sneeks]

It gets people talking about it even more as we now believe it was not meant to be seen. I find it unlikely that someone at o2 accidentally uploaded those pages and marked them as live.

[captain kaos]

I agree its a ploy to create more "buzz".

Its not like a junior member of their web team was messing with something, as uploading the new page to the live O2 site is a pretty major thing to do.

Lets face it, were on page 8 of this rumour thanks to the taking away of the O2 pricing page (plus the original excitement of the pricing i suppose!)

[badgerman]

I agree its a ploy to create more "buzz".

Its not like a junior member of their web team was messing with something, as uploading the new page to the live O2 site is a pretty major thing to do.

Lets face it, were on page 8 of this rumour thanks to the taking away of the O2 pricing page (plus the original excitement of the pricing i suppose!)

Yep good point, although if they left it up it would give people more chance for the contract vs PAYG dilema.

Every few hours I convince myself one way then back again a bit later on.

Basically I have used on av the last 6months ~140mins cross network and ~50 texts (despite having 100s of mins n texts left each month). But then I would not like to feel inhibited on PAYG thinking "25p/min" as am talking. Then again just think of the environment with all those wasted mins/texts on contract...

There I go again :confused:

[Willis]

BTW, O2 has commented (or rather declined to comment) on the price slip by now: http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/15690/16714/O2-no-comment-iphone-payg.phtml

They say on here that the iPhone is offered with any of their PAYG options.. so there is a possibility.. just on the site they had loaded 'by accident' it said you needed to use the iPhone sim.

soon see :rolleyes:

[captain kaos]

The other reason for me thinking this is that O2 have known about the 3g for months, it was shown on the WWDC 16 days ago and they've been holding out on the PAYG pricing for a while, so for it just to "slip out" at the last minute is a bit far fetched for me!

Come on O2, pull your finger out, people are getting restless! (i even got bored last week and found myself looking on the blackberry page!!:eek:)

[sk8mash]

I agree its a ploy to create more "buzz".

Its not like a junior member of their web team was messing with something, as uploading the new page to the live O2 site is a pretty major thing to do.

Lets face it, were on page 8 of this rumour thanks to the taking away of the O2 pricing page (plus the original excitement of the pricing i suppose!)

Not meaning to digress, but do you realise that colouring every post differently is hard to read, annoying, and not cool? ;)

[frosse]

...i even got bored last week and found myself looking on the blackberry page!!:eek:...

Shame on you, shame!

[danny_boy]

Hey,

Just noticied I had left open my O2 Pay Go tab from last night. So for those who didn't see the page here it is. May be useful for someone....

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5291/iphoneo2paygbt3.th.png (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iphoneo2paygbt3.png)

Danny

[captain kaos]

Not meaning to digress, but do you realise that colouring every post differently is hard to read, annoying, and not cool? ;)

no, its not cool, but it means I can spot my posts out of 100's! I'm an engineer, its practical!

[captain kaos]

Shame on you, shame!

I know. I got over it very quickly!

[sk8mash]

no, its not cool, but it means I can spot my posts out of 100's! I'm an engineer, its practical!

Fair enough!

[CD3660]

Hey,

Just noticied I had left open my O2 Pay Go tab from last night. So for those who didn't see the page here it is. May be useful for someone....

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5291/iphoneo2paygbt3.th.png (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iphoneo2paygbt3.png)

Danny
Well done, it may be handy to have proof! :)

[senorFunkyPants]

Not meaning to digress, but do you realise that colouring every post differently is hard to read, annoying, and not cool? ;)

I just skip them, its easiest.

[TonyHoyle]

from what I can tell, yes, if I was to buy an iPhone and spend ~£20 a month on top ups for 18 months, I would save £60 over the contract, but gain alot less. I use around 200 mins+ and at 25p/min thats £50. Then include £10 a month for data after 6 months for a year. So I would end up paying alot more for what I use, so a £35 contract for me is the best option.

Actually it's 5p/min. The 25p only counts for the first 3 minutes per day.

http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/tariffs/paygo/talkalot

At around 200 minutes you're close to the breakeven point on the £30/mo tariff, and way below the £35/mo tariff - and that doesn't include the extras eg. if you're topping up £10/mo (which you would be after 6 months to cover the data tariff) you can get 50 off peak minutes.

(basically the breakeven point is about £12/mo (~200 minutes) if you're keeping the phone for 18 months, and £23/mo (~400 minutes) if you're keeping it for 12 months, compared to the £30/mo contract).

Of course it all depends on your phone usage - if you're making a lot of mobile-mobile calls you soon use up more than that and the equation changes somewhat. You'd have to run the numbers based on your typical usage to work out the figures. SMS changes the numbers somewhat as well...

Someone should make a spreadsheet or a website where you punch in your usage figures and it comes out with the costs for each option.

[badgerman]

Someone should make a spreadsheet or a website where you punch in your usage figures and it comes out with the costs for each option.

Yes please! Big kudos to anyone who does. I cant work out which is cheapest for my use. :confused:

[captain kaos]

I just skip them, its easiest.

why so the issues over using colours! The option is there as well as different fonts, so why not!

[digmo]

I added the pricing to my blog at http://www.digmo.co.uk/mobile/iphone-payg-pricing-announced

I am sort of wondering if I should remove the info incase it is not accurate not that O2 have removed it ? I also notice that O2 UK have removed the iPhone ad on the front page.

I'd also really love some of you to comment on site or add the RSS feed to your reader if at all possible ?

David
http://www.digmo.co.uk/category/technology/feed

[Nicholas.C]

i bet when the prices become live again they'll be more expensive.

[digmo]

Well if they are the next post will be a direct comparison. I am beginning to wonder if the new iPhone is going to be the massive hit they all thought.


David

[alFR]

I'd also really love some of you to comment on site or add the RSS feed to your reader if at all possible ?

Perhaps the most shameless "boost my ad revenue please" plug I've seen for a while. ;)

[digmo]

Perhaps the most shameless "boost my ad revenue please" plug I've seen for a while. ;)

I'd accept that if I actually made any money from ad revenue ! I really don't my motivation is I see sites with 800 RSS subscribers via feedburner yet I have 100:(

I made 60p this week in ads, I never break even.... I am getting tearful now :)

David
http://www.digmo.co.uk/category/technology/feed

[TonyHoyle]

i bet when the prices become live again they'll be more expensive.

A lot of that page was just a copy/paste of their PayG pricing structure.. I can't see that changing. The only things that are likely to vary are the cost of the phone itself and the 6 month free data deal.

I hope they keep it the same.. it makes my choice really easy :p

[senorFunkyPants]

why so the issues over using colours! The option is there as well as different fonts, so why not!
The colour chosen makes it harder to read.

[Aravintht]

i bet when the prices become live again they'll be more expensive.

they'd get such bad press

i think it will be the same

they must have the pricing set by now, if not even earlier

[Willis]

Actually it's 5p/min. The 25p only counts for the first 3 minutes per day.

cross network calls are 25p though, and thats what I mainly call. Not everyone I know is on 02.


landlanes account for maybe 20/30 mins of my calls?

[Willis]

Hey,

Just noticied I had left open my O2 Pay Go tab from last night. So for those who didn't see the page here it is. May be useful for someone....

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5291/iphoneo2paygbt3.th.png (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iphoneo2paygbt3.png)

Danny

why block the last tab? ;)

[gazfocus]

cross network calls are 25p though, and thats what I mainly call. Not everyone I know is on 02.


landlanes account for maybe 20/30 mins of my calls?

The deal with the tariffs is they are the 'in store' ones and are the same as any other O2 PAYG tariff.

You can upgrade the sim card to the O2 online tariff at any time, which is an arguably better option...not sure how the free data would be affected though

[DB2k]

supercraptastic


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Important - When you email us please provide: your date of birth, postcode and phone number as it helps us answer your query faster.

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[danny_boy]

why block the last tab? ;)

Left my email open showed my address in the tab.

Danny

[CD3660]

Left my email open showed my address in the tab.

Danny

Sorry this is off topic, but how do you get your email in a tab?

That's Firefox isn't it?

[captain kaos]

i bet when the prices become live again they'll be more expensive.

So do i!

What with this, and the other possible rumour of only the *8gb version been available in the UK it looks like we're for a bit of a ride with O2. :mad:

[Nicholas.C]

if its 8 or 16gb it doesn't matter really. I only want the phone :p

I'm worried that they'll change the prices and not think of the customer.

[captain kaos]

The colour chosen makes it harder to read.

Really! Are you using an old 4 colour monitor or something!

And for the record i just randomly chose the colours!:D

[captain kaos]

So i spotted on another thread the rumour, apparently from an O2 employee, that O2 will only make the 8gb model available on the 11th. Anyone think this may be possible and could it have something to do with O2 taking down the prices on their web site? Could it also be a ploy to spread out the take up of the iphone by holding back the 16gb for a few months, till say september then just after that we may get the xmas release of the 32gb.

Personally i get the feeling that on the initial V1 phone no one knew how it would be received and now they know how the V2 is going to sell they (O2) are going to milk it for all its worth?

Thoughts.

[mrfaize]

The colour chosen makes it harder to read.

What the Ignore List is for! Try Reading This!

[danny_boy]

Sorry this is off topic, but how do you get your email in a tab?

That's Firefox isn't it?

Firefox 3. Gmail window shows your login in the tab

[TonyHoyle]

Yes please! Big kudos to anyone who does. I cant work out which is cheapest for my use. :confused:

I put one together.. interesting stuff.

It's rare that the £30/mo tariff make any sense.

Frequency of usage matters a lot - on PayT the first 3 minutes of every day are charged at 25p vs. 5p, so if you use it every day PayT becomes uneconomic at about 50 minutes a month (this is a pathalogical case though - that means less than 2 minutes every day, which wouldn't make sense normally). OTOH if you use it once a week you don't hit that point until 300 minutes/month.

For texters PayT becomes more expensive at 170 texts/month (at 170/mo the £35/mo tariff becomes more economical and stays that way for all numbers above 170).

I've played around with a few combinations and the patterns are quite fascinating - or maybe I'm just easily amused :p

I'll tidy it up a bit and get the page uploaded.

Edit: Uploaded at http://homepage.mac.com/tmhoyle/iphone/

[badgerman]

Edit: Uploaded at http://homepage.mac.com/tmhoyle/iphone/

That is awesome! Many thanks Tony :)

Could you add an option for the drop down after 9 months (which is still an assumption we can do). This is because over 18 months someone worked out it was cheaper to go £45 then down to £35 than stick on £35 for 18m?

Also what are the min assumptions again, so I put 100 non O2/landline mins and put it as a call everyday. How long are the calls assuming?

Finally I rec you put this as a seperate thread or sticky so that it doesnt get lost in this one for anyone deciding before the 1st which way to go.

Good work fella

[TonyHoyle]

That is awesome! Many thanks Tony :)

Could you add an option for the drop down after 9 months (which is still an assumption we can do). This is because over 18 months someone worked out it was cheaper to go £45 then down to £35 than stick on £35 for 18m?

Also what are the min assumptions again, so I put 100 non O2/landline mins and put it as a call everyday. How long are the calls assuming?

Finally I rec you put this as a seperate thread or sticky so that it doesnt get lost in this one for anyone deciding before the 1st which way to go.

Good work fella

It does the simplest calculation over 30 days, so if you have 100 landline minutes over a 30 day month, and call every day then that's an average of 3 minutes a day. Those 3 minutes would be charged at 25p/minute (since the first 3 minutes a day are charged at the higher rate).

You can drop down one tariff a month on O2, so in theory from £45 you could do 45->35->30 then pay off at 30. At the moment it assumes you pay your current tariff off if you pay off at less than 18 months, which isn't quite optimal.

The 9 month dropdown is only £9 difference so I'm not sure it affects things that much (45*9+35*9==£720, 99+35*18=£729). Things like call minutes have a much larger effect.

The other problem with these calculations is when O2 will actually let you do it - clearly you can't go on the £45 tariff, drop to £35 in the second month then £30 in the third, get the free phone and pay for £30/mo for the rest of the time.. there will be rules against that. I haven't found anything that says when that's possible and would rather overestimate than underestimate.

(OT: iDisk is damned slow, and appears to have failed completely now. Should have put it on my local server... sigh...)
(OT2: Yup dotmac has failed, again.)

[sijambo]

the rumour, apparently from an O2 employee, that O2 will only make the 8gb model available on the 11th

Argh :rolleyes: It makes me crazy when people announce that the sales rep (I'm assuming that's what's being referred to here) at their local mobile phone or Apple store told them that [insert unqualified rumor here].

I mean, come on guys - we all like to feel special by pretending to know more than others do and, conversely, we want to avoid the embarrassment of not knowing something others expect us to. Same is true for sales reps, but a little common sense should tell us that they most likely don't know any more about the iPhone at this point than we do.

Which brings me to annoying lack of common sense #2: Speculations about the possibility that Apple might be keeping secret exiting surprise features until launch. We all know Apple orchestrates its marketing perfectly - this is not uncle Steve wrapping Christmas presents for his grandchildren...

And finally, most annoying common sense failure so far: People who actually watched the Keynote themselves yet complain that prepaid 3G iPhones are sold above the "promised" $199 price tag. There are so many ways to instantly realize that this just can't apply to prepaid, not least because even much crappier phones cost that much WITH a contract.

Okay, that's it for todays rant... had to get that off my chest - thanks for listening :D

[captain kaos]

..but i've pre ordered this: http://www.iphonic.tv/2008/06/zagg_launches_invisibleshield.html#more

ready for my new iphone!

Thats probably gone and put a hex on the whole "getting my hands on an iphone on the 11th" :D:D

[captain kaos]

Argh :rolleyes: It makes me crazy when people announce that the sales rep (I'm assuming that's what's being referred to here) at their local mobile phone or Apple store told them that .

I mean, come on guys - we all like to feel special by pretending to know more than others do and, conversely, we want to avoid the embarrassment of not knowing something others expect us to. Same is true for sales reps, but a little common sense should tell us that they most likely don't know any more about the iPhone at this point than we do.




Erm, i wasn't the one to speak to an O2 rep, personally i think thats sad as they know sod all till the phone actually comes out, i was mearly sighting [I]another post in a different tread.

So dont blame me.

[sijambo]

@captain kaos:
I didn't intend to blame you by any means since I don't even know the original post you were referring to - so of course in this particular case the O2 person referred to might have even been someone who does indeed work at O2 headquarters (as unlikely as this seems).

[Vereina]

I put one together.. interesting stuff.

It's rare that the £30/mo tariff make any sense.

Frequency of usage matters a lot - on PayT the first 3 minutes of every day are charged at 25p vs. 5p, so if you use it every day PayT becomes uneconomic at about 50 minutes a month (this is a pathalogical case though - that means less than 2 minutes every day, which wouldn't make sense normally). OTOH if you use it once a week you don't hit that point until 300 minutes/month.

Edit: Uploaded at http://homepage.mac.com/tmhoyle/iphone/

Tony,

Very useful! :)

One question, if I may:

I tried doing the comparison for 300 mins each month, calls every day, over 18 months. It gives UKP 1,074 for PAYG, whereas I had calculated it as 804 (which is a UKP 18 monthly top-up).

Is the 25p for 3 mins, or for each of the first 3 mins (i.e. 75 for 3 mins)?

[McBob]

02 store near me, Carmarthen said they would be opening at 7.00am for the launch. Anybody else heard similar?

[Nicholas.C]

i got 7am here when it'll be out... anyone got any update on prices?

[TonyHoyle]

Tony,

Very useful! :)

One question, if I may:

I tried doing the comparison for 300 mins each month, calls every day, over 18 months. It gives UKP 1,074 for PAYG, whereas I had calculated it as 804 (which is a UKP 18 monthly top-up).

Is the 25p for 3 mins, or for each of the first 3 mins (i.e. 75 for 3 mins)?

25p is for the first 3 minutes each day, based on http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/tariffs/paygo/talkalot

If you're doing calls every day 300 minutes is 10 minutes a day with the first 3 minutes at 25p and the remaining 7 minutes at 5p, so that's £33/mo, or £594 over the length of the contract. Add in £120 for the 12 months data and £300 for the phone.

[Vereina]

25p is for the first 3 minutes each day, based on http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/tariffs/paygo/talkalot

If you're doing calls every day 300 minutes is 10 minutes a day with the first 3 minutes at 25p and the remaining 7 minutes at 5p, so that's £33/mo, or £594 over the length of the contract. Add in £120 for the 12 months data and £300 for the phone.

Thanks, Tony. So it's actually 25p per minute for the first 3 mins, not 25p for 3mins? That explains it!

In which case, if one is making a call most days, over 18 months, the £35 per month contract seems to be pretty much a no-brainer!

[TonyHoyle]

Yup. It's scaled so that PayG becomes uneconomic once you start using the phone regularly - it's quite competative for occasional/emergency use though.

[Neil321]

Why not just get it unlocked?

[Vereina]

In which case, if one is making a call most days, over 18 months, the £35 per month contract seems to be pretty much a no-brainer!

Except that, on second thoughts ....

If the PAYG deal does indeed include the extra hundreds of minutes per month from a nominated postcode in return for topping-up by a certain amount each month, the comparison is not quite so straightforward.

So if, for example, £15 per month top up were sufficient to cover calls made from locations other than the nominated postcode, a 16Gb 'phone over 18 months would be marginally (£40) cheaper on PAYG than the £35 per month contract - and £10 per month cheaper every month thereafter.

Hmm .... clearly a bit harder to decide than I first thought! :confused:

[mrfaize]

02 store near me, Carmarthen said they would be opening at 7.00am for the launch. Anybody else heard similar?

O2 store near me is opening at 7am on the 11th but they didn't have prices for PAYG ;)

[CD3660]

O2 at the Trafford Centre (Manchester) confirmed a 7.00 a.m. opening but knew nothing about being able to sign up any time after the 1st of July in order to shorten the process on the 11th.