MBA class action lawsuit

[1rottenapple]

Anyone have an over-under for when the MBA has a class action lawsuit? I personally have not heard of one being filed but I'm sure that one can't be too far behind.

[Littleodie914]

...for? :confused:

[PlaceofDis]

...for? :confused:

yeah i have to say that i'm sitting here scratching my head too.

[bamaworks]

For being... TOO SEXY! YES!

[calculus]

yeah i have to say that i'm sitting here scratching my head too.

It's because it's not actually made of air...

[netdog]

Anyone have an over-under for when the MBA has a class action lawsuit? I personally have not heard of one being filed but I'm sure that one can't be too far behind.

How are things in Redmond today?

[remmy]

nor is it a book

[Littleodie914]

Nor is it a Ma... Wait... C'mon man, 1 out of 3 ain't bad! ;)

[n0de]

Because eventually every Apple product ends up in one.....

My bet is 12 more months. That would put the 1st generation units at about 1.5 years old and those early buyers with really heavy battery use will start to have problems. They cannot replace the batteries themselves.... the cost/time to replace via Apple will upset people (those sans applecare) and those who skipped on applecare are going to be pissed at themselves too. That will be the witches' brew leading to a class action suit to get free replacement batteries.

[AstroHouse]

Because lawyers are lawyers. No opportunity goes unmet.

I'd like to sue Apple's behind for not introducing a product so attractive that it swayed me from Windows...sooner. Don't they have some social responsibility? :rolleyes:

[NC MacGuy]

Right. It does what it's kinda' supposed to. Apple wording is ambiguous for real world expectations intentionally and if you absolutely don't like it and have a lemon, they'll refund, exchange or put you in a product more suited to your expectations.

[Les Kern]

Because eventually every Apple product ends up in one.....

My bet is 12 more months.

I'll cover that. How much and what odds? The part that says "Every Apple product ends up in one...." leads me to believe you're an easy mark. :)

[Gregintosh]

I think the MBA is a fine piece of equipment. Maybe I got super lucky but I don't have any problems with mine. It runs well, it runs cool most of the time, and I have not had it act erratically or shut down on me.

I have had mine since February when they first hit the shelves, I get pretty close to the advertised battery life (about 4 to 4.5 hours on my normal usage), my battery is 96% health with 26 cycles (I use it plugged in mostly).

The only complaint I have is that the fans do kick on full blast when watching YouTube or Break.com or something. I think thats more of an Adobe problem than an Apple problem though, caused by a horrible implementation of Flash.

If Adobe fixes their code to be less power hungry it will probably resolve that "problem".

If there is a class action lawsuit it would probably have to be for the people who complain of overheating or core shutdowns.

[akm3]

I think the "60GB" 64GB SSD could do with a class action, personally.

[tdhurst]

I think the "60GB" 64GB SSD could do with a class action, personally.

Not this argument AGAIN. Come on man, how many times do people have to explain the 1024 vs 1000 argument?

[173080]

I think the "60GB" 64GB SSD could do with a class action, personally.

Apple has a disclaimer for that one.

They don't have a disclaimer for the core shutdowns.

[alphaod]

They don't have a disclaimer for the core shutdowns.

Nor do they have anything that says the computer should work at all times. It's just expected, but with everything, it's not always there.

[netdog]

I think the "60GB" 64GB SSD could do with a class action, personally.

Oh yeah. That's a winner. :rolleyes:

[maestrokev]

Because eventually every Apple product ends up in one.....


And that pretty much sums up the problem with the legal profession.

[nick9191]

I think the "60GB" 64GB SSD could do with a class action, personally.
In that case you are going to have to sue every HDD manufacturer and OEM in the world.

[n0de]

It just seems that ever Apple product ends up in a lawsuit sooner or later. Ipod batteries in Canada, # of screen colors , patent infringements (personally Apple does a great job of buying and disappearing the real patent holders BEFORE releasing a new product, remember Fingerworks?), etc.

Maybe they are just a high profile target, or are people in general just getting sick and tired of their technology not working as expected (ALL technology, not just Apple)?

The 1000 vs 1024 fight has already been done, I think it was Maxtor who bit it on that one. Apple has the mathematical disclaimer on nearly every page on their site as well as in the stores.

I am saying batteries because the non-replaceable battery has been won in the past with iPods (in CA). I don't know if it has been tested in the US though.

I am saying 12 months because that will be the point when everyone who did not buy Applecare will start kicking themselves for general problems and the batteries of the original shipments will be a year and a half old.

[queshy]

Too sharp! 10 M $, please.

[akm3]

In that case you are going to have to sue every HDD manufacturer and OEM in the world.

No no no, not the normal loss converting from base10 counting to base2 counting, but when you account for that, there are still 4 missing GB. You end up with a 55gb drive, which with the loss you are referring to means you started with a 60gb drive - not 64.

[izibo]

Not this argument AGAIN. Come on man, how many times do people have to explain the 1024 vs 1000 argument?

Oh yeah. That's a winner. :rolleyes:

Really? Wow, don't you guys look really ignorant.

The MacBook Air SSD has a 64 GB hard drive where Apple (and every other HD maker defines 1 GB as 1 billion byes). Of course, in an operating system this converts to 59.60465 gigabytes of usable, formatted space (an OS defines 1024 bytes as a KB, 1024 KB as a MB, and 1024 MB in a GB, so overall the OS defines 1073741824 byes as 1GB.) For example, my HDD version of the MacBook Air comes with an 80GB hard drive which formats to 74.5 GB according to Disk Utility. If one were to do the raw math and convert from 80 billion bytes, you would end up with 74.50581 GB of formatted space. Pretty spot on.

However, the MacBook Air 64 GB SSD formats to 55.9 gigabytes, which would be representative of an unformatted 60 GB hard drive (where 1 GB = 1 billion byes). While I have rarely supported these frivolous class-action suits, the fact that Apple is advertising a 60GB unformatted hard drive as a 64GB unformatted hard drive is more than grounds for a law suit. Even though they say that "actual formatted capacity is less" it is still incredibly misleading since it flies in the face of the current accepted standard, and thus, misleads customers.

Next time, do some research before you put someone down.

[tdhurst]

Really? Wow, don't you guys look really ignorant.

The MacBook Air SSD has a 64 GB hard drive where Apple (and every other HD maker defines 1 GB as 1 billion byes). Of course, in an operating system this converts to 59.60465 gigabytes of usable, formatted space (an OS defines 1024 bytes as a KB, 1024 KB as a MB, and 1024 MB in a GB, so overall the OS defines 1073741824 byes as 1GB.) For example, my HDD version of the MacBook Air comes with an 80GB hard drive which formats to 74.5 GB according to Disk Utility. If one were to do the raw math and convert from 80 billion bytes, you would end up with 74.50581 GB of formatted space. Pretty spot on.

However, the MacBook Air 64 GB SSD formats to 55.9 gigabytes, which would be representative of an unformatted 60 GB hard drive (where 1 GB = 1 billion byes). While I have rarely supported these frivolous class-action suits, the fact that Apple is advertising a 60GB unformatted hard drive as a 64GB unformatted hard drive is more than grounds for a law suit. Even though they say that "actual formatted capacity is less" it is still incredibly misleading since it flies in the face of the current accepted standard, and thus, misleads customers.

Next time, do some research before you put someone down.

Then file a f&%$in' class action suit, smart guy. Or just sit on the internet and complain about it. Your call.

[jessica.]

How are things in Redmond today?
Now now, he may not be an MS Troll....if there are such things.

Right. It does what it's kinda' supposed to. Apple wording is ambiguous for real world expectations intentionally and if you absolutely don't like it and have a lemon, they'll refund, exchange or put you in a product more suited to your expectations.
Damn those bastards!


I think there could be a CA lawsuit because that is the way of the world it seems. However, the only two things I've noticed that are truly irking people is the 60gd SSD as previously mentioned, turning out to be 55gb or something like that, and the core shutdowns.

The core shutdowns I think fall under the return and replace type thing. But the SSD is another thing. I can't see how that'll totally end up in a successful lawsuit, but it will probably wind up being one.

It's a sad world we live in these days.

[izibo]

Then file a f&%$in' class action suit, smart guy. Or just sit on the internet and complain about it. Your call.

Wow, well... for starters I own the HDD version. I suffered no loss. I'm just saying that what they are doing is wrong.

Plus, the thread is about possible class action lawsuits. If you don't want to entertain the idea, move along.

[ViperrepiV]

Really? Wow, don't you guys look really ignorant.

The MacBook Air SSD has a 64 GB hard drive where Apple (and every other HD maker defines 1 GB as 1 billion byes). Of course, in an operating system this converts to 59.60465 gigabytes of usable, formatted space (an OS defines 1024 bytes as a KB, 1024 KB as a MB, and 1024 MB in a GB, so overall the OS defines 1073741824 byes as 1GB.) For example, my HDD version of the MacBook Air comes with an 80GB hard drive which formats to 74.5 GB according to Disk Utility. If one were to do the raw math and convert from 80 billion bytes, you would end up with 74.50581 GB of formatted space. Pretty spot on.

However, the MacBook Air 64 GB SSD formats to 55.9 gigabytes, which would be representative of an unformatted 60 GB hard drive (where 1 GB = 1 billion byes). While I have rarely supported these frivolous class-action suits, the fact that Apple is advertising a 60GB unformatted hard drive as a 64GB unformatted hard drive is more than grounds for a law suit. Even though they say that "actual formatted capacity is less" it is still incredibly misleading since it flies in the face of the current accepted standard, and thus, misleads customers.

Next time, do some research before you put someone down.



You are correct. But the people who should be sued are Samsung, not Apple. I recently opened my SSD MBA....the drive was labeled as samsung, 64GB capacity. It's their drive, their marketing, and their fault that it only has 55GB of useful space.

[tdhurst]

You are correct. But the people who should be sued are Samsung, not Apple. I recently opened my SSD MBA....the drive was labeled as samsung, 64GB capacity. It's their drive, their marketing, and their fault that it only has 55GB of useful space.

Good find. It seems you are correct.

Really though...is 4.9GB worth the hassle?

[izibo]

Good find. It seems you are correct.

Really though...is 4.9GB worth the hassle?

Not in my mind, which is why I never spent hours calling Apple when I was considering which MBA to buy or anything like that. But it is concerning; what is to stop a company from advertising a 120gb hard drive that formats to 80gb if they run and hide behind the "actual formatted capacity less" disclaimer?

[Digital Skunk]

I will sue Apple for the emotional damage they caused.

They can't just put out a wicked attractive and awesome book like that! :mad:

And I did really cut myself on that paper thin bezel. :D

[akm3]

Then file a f&%$in' class action suit, smart guy. Or just sit on the internet and complain about it. Your call.

Angry nerds are sad :(
If I owned the SSD version, maybe. I've got the 1.6/80 here.