Norwegian plans reviled (FREE DATA PLAN added!!!)

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Netcom Norway updated their website today with the prices for the iPhone plans: https://netcom.no/iphone.html?fane=abonnement

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The small at NOK 399 (US$ 79) pr month includes 100 minutes of calls, 100 SMS and (ridiciously low) 100MB of data (free Wifi doesn't even remotely make up for that low cap).

The medium at NOK 699 (US$ 138) per month with 250/250/250 or the large at a whooping NOK 1099 (US$217) per month at 1000/1000/1000 is just insane.

Netcom, where's the free data, you st...***mumble*** f...***mumble***? Haven't you figured out that that is the whole point about the iPhone...?!? Have you lost any grip with reality?!? Here you had the chance to sell these things like hot cakes and then you present these plans?!?

The only good thing I can say is that the prices of the phones themselves are quite nice.

The Swedish plans were quite similar, but I guess their prices will probably be around half of these... :rolleyes:

So, I'm afraid this means no iPhone for me... :( :( :(

100 MB data per month... get real... *** still cannot get over that one ***

[alFR]

That does suck. I'm really surprised that any carriers are offering iPhone plans without a decent data bundle: even O2, who give us a pretty decent data deal in the UK IMHO, offer a fairly crap data deal in the Republic of Ireland. I have no idea how that makes business sense. :confused:

[Voidness]

Wow, that's bad. As you said, the whole point of the iPhone is its Internet capabilities. With the iPhone, 100MB can be easily finished in a few days if not less.

[empezar]

Swedish prices are 2/3 of the Norwegian prices.

I won't buy an iPhone either. I would've bought one if the price was about 20% less and I had 2x free minutes and unlimited data. But as everyone knows, TeliaSonera sucks. They do offer me 10 times more SMSes than I would ever use though!

[sara123456]

And I was thinking we got ripped off in the uk that is really bad

[gekko513]

I'll have to think about this. 100MB isn't a lot, is it? And it's NOK 10,- ($2) for every MB beyond what you get included with the plan which is absolutely ludicrous.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I'll have to think about this. 100MB isn't a lot, is it? And it's NOK 10,- ($2) for every MB beyond what you get included with the plan which is absolutely ludicrous.Yes. That said, Netcom did have a cap on how much you could be charged for data traffic with their "ordinary" plans, where - no matter how much data you used (probably within some limits) - you could only be charged NOK 20 per day for data traffic.

Of course, if that still holds true (and there is such a cap at SEK 9 per day for the Swedish iPhone plans (http://www.telia.se/privat/produkter_tjanster/mobilt/produkterocherbjudanden/apple/iphone.page?sl=teliase_iphone_redirect)) then that might, just might, "save" the iPhone for me...

Still NOK 7078 (US$ 1400) for the 16GB including the cost of that first year is quite a lot...

[gekko513]

Just opening two online newspapers (db.no and aftenposten.no) brought me up to more than 4 MB of traffic. If you just surf normally you'll blast through those 100MB in no time. I admit the online newspapers are bandwidth hogs with all those ads, but it might be a good thing that the iPhone doesn't have Flash. Maybe that cuts down a lot of the traffic.

I might still get an 8GB, but only because I really need a new phone... NOK 6190 for the phone and one year. Hmm. My current phone probably only cost me around 1800 per year with everything. *cries*

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Just opening two online newspapers (db.no and aftenposten.no) brought me up to more than 4 MB of traffic. If you just surf normally you'll blast through those 100MB in no time.Yes, that was one of the main points in the mail I sent Netcom:

Hei.

Så de nye planene for iPhonen som dere lanserte i dag. Må først få si jeg er svært, svært skuffet. Data-mengden er jo latterlig. Bare forsiden av VG er jo rundt 1 MB og det UTEN reklame, så ved å laste den (og to andre tilsvarende sider) daglig så er hele månedskvoten oppbrukt. Helt ubrukelig. 100 minutter og SMS'er, derimot vil jeg greie meg lenge med.

Etter at den verste skuffelsen la seg så jeg etter et og annet lyspunkt, og telefonprisene er jo hyggeligere enn fryktet. Så la jeg merke til det som kan (og jeg understreker at det håpet er tynt nå) få drømmen om en iPhone oppfylt likevel), dere skriver i SOS om data utover planen: "Da blir du fakturert etter priser som tilsvarer abonnementet SuperTalk, bortsett fra at vi har satt ned prisen per MB til kr 10, mot kr 20,- normalt. "

Det fikk meg til å tenke på at dere tidligere har satt en makspris for data på kr. 20 pr. mnd dag. Gjelder den fremdeles for disse abonnementene? Og er den kanskje til og med - for iPhone-planene - satt ned til maks. 10,- per dag (for det overskytende når man har gått over 100MB-kvoten, som jeg fortsatt ikke kommer over hvor latterlig lav den er)?

En noe skeptisk hilsen
LH(Made a small error, which I fixed in the quote above. Hopefully they still understand what I meant. ;))

Their answer will decide if I'm going for the iPhone or not... and either way, it seems less likely I'll bother buying me out of my current contract (NOK 750) to get it at the launch... I'll probably wait until January...if they can change my mind and convince me the iPhone is worth it with those insane plans...

[Lau]

If it's a really bad deal, I say don't buy it and send them a letter or email telling them exactly why you haven't signed up.

O2 in the UK bumped up their minutes and texts (data has always been free) on all the plans a few months after release, so if enough people aren't buying it because of the plans they may well give you a better deal later.

Edit: which is presumably what you did above, Mitty. :D

[gekko513]

Good plan. I can buy and Mitt can hold off so they bump up the data limit. ;)

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

which is presumably what you did above, Mitty. :DYes, I had to. Typing fast with a couple of errors and terrible language, in the heat of the moment, but I told them exactly how disappointed I was (and what I was happy with). And asked if they have a cap on daily data traffic (like the Swedes one I described above).

On the other hand... if you compare this with the prices of, lets say a Nokia N95 8GB (https://secure.netcom.shop.moobi.com/index.php/Portal/section/1/gid/302/pid/61229/bid/6645/action/1) which is NOK 4538,- (for the first year, without any call minutes, SMS, or data, when you buy it with 1 year contract from Netcom), the Sony Ericsson W960i 8GB (https://secure.netcom.shop.moobi.com/index.php/Portal/section/1/gid/302/pid/61230/bid/6822/action/1) at 7090,- (first year total at Netcom, blah-blah), the ancient Nokia E90 (https://secure.netcom.shop.moobi.com/index.php/Portal/section/1/gid/302/pid/61229/bid/5929/action/1) at NOK 6438 (first year total) or even the Nokia 8800 Shaphire (https://secure.netcom.shop.moobi.com/index.php/Portal/section/1/gid/302/pid/61229/bid/7155/action/1) at over NOK 10.000 (first year total), then NOK 6178 for the iPhone 8GB and NOK 7078 for the 16 GB isn't too bad.

Still don't like the 100 MB data plan, though. That is totally frelled up. Totally. :mad:

[gekko513]

Hang on... I live in Trondheim... isn't there something called Wireless Trondheim that gives WiFi access all over town? I have to check up on that... might solve most of the data limit problem for me.

And yes, I still completely agree, the data limit is really stupid. Db.no now has an article on this and those who comment there aren't exactly thrilled about the prices either.

I'll be interested in knowing if you get an answer from Netcom.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

You lucky b******!!! :D

I have to rely on Netcom's kind of scrawny (at least here in Bergen) HomeRun (http://www.homerun.no/nor/start/default.asp) network... :(

But, of course, as long as I'm home, work and the majority of friends and family I'll have my/their wifi to fall back on... ;)

He-he... the Netcom home pages seems to be taking quite the pounding now that all the major online papers have run the story... :D

[reboad]

Whoa, you're getting totally screwed there. I'm glad teliasonera had some sense in finland.

[gekko513]

Netcom has a maximum price per day for their mobile broadband Connect Fritid (https://netcom.no/abonnement/connect.html) at NOK 50 ($10). I think that's the best we can hope for. What really sucks is that even their cheapest mobile broadband plan, Connect Fritid, that comes with 20MB included, has a cheaper price per MB if you exceed the plan limit. NOK 5 per MB vs NOK 10 on the iPhone plan. :(

Connect Basic however doesn't seem to have the daily NOK 50 limit, but instead has a NOK 999 monthly limit to avoid the nastiest surprises.

[thechidz]

that is really bad, but arent all norwegians stinking rich?:o

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Connect BasicThere's just one small problem with that plan:iPhone er kun tilgjengelig med iTalk Small, Medium eller LargeAnd if you're first gonna jailbreak it (or buy it and pay off the contract fine), then you're probably better off with MTU (http://www.mtu.no/) or someone else (then Netcom).

Still haven't heard back from them about whether the max NOK 20 per day for data (https://netcom.no/priser/datapriser.html) also applies for the iTalk plans...

that is really bad, but arent all norwegians stinking rich?:oYes, of course we are, what's that got to do with it...? :p

[gekko513]

There's just one small problem with that plan:

I wasn't really thinking of replacing the iPhone plan with that, since Connect isn't a mobile phone plan, but a laptop broadband plan. I was just mentioning it since it has these maximum limits and maybe the iPhone plans have some similar maximum limits that they haven't told us about yet.
Still haven't heard back from them about whether the max NOK 20 per day for data (https://netcom.no/priser/datapriser.html) also applies for the iTalk plans...
and if there is, it's maybe more likely to be set at NOK 50 and not 20 since that's what the Connect plan has.

[Eraserhead]

Damn that sucks.

At least in the UK the plans are basically the same as the N95...

On the £35 and above contracts the iPhone (8GB) plans have the same number of minutes as an equivalent price Nokia N95 plan.

Then the following are the advantages of the N95

The N95 plans have double the number of texts (500 vs 1000), The N95 also has Unlimited O2-O2 calls by default for free, but it can have either hotspot access or unlimited data for free instead (among other things)
The N95 is also free on £25/month and higher, but the iPhone is £99 on the £35/month contact and free after than.
The N95 is also available on contracts for less than £30 (which is the cheapest iPhone one).


Then the following are the advantages of the iPhone

The iPhone has unlimited data and hotspot access (vs the N95 which doesn't have one of the two)
The iPhone also gets reduced roaming rates, which appear to be available in all the countries possible, which would be really expensive to add on to the N95 (though I agree it isn't that useful).
There is also visual voicemail for the iPhone.

[onemanarmy333]

and i thought 400mb was bad. 100mb really draws the line of total rip-off

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I wasn't really thinking of replacing the iPhone plan with that, since Connect isn't a mobile phone plan, but a laptop broadband plan. I was just mentioning it since it has these maximum limits and maybe the iPhone plans have some similar maximum limits that they haven't told us about yet.Ah, I see... I thought you wanted to use that with the iPhone (which, in addition to one of the cheaper plans, would be a rather good solution...)

and if there is, it's maybe more likely to be set at NOK 50 and not 20 since that's what the Connect plan has.Yes, but I'm still hoping since they have a cap at 20 for all the "normal" plans (except pay as you go) and the Swedes have a SEK 9 per day maximum...still cautiously optimistic about that one...even on this grim, grim day... ;)

[iSaga]

Man this is not good, I can't live without my iPhone but these plans stink.. Have any of you used an unlocked first gen iPhone in Norway? if so can you give me some info about pricing doing it that way?

The price of the phone itself is good, I suppose I could make do with the medium plan but they should have done away with the small plan and made the medium the small ad have a plan in between the medium and large.

My first bummer information in making the move from the US to Norway.

[alejovh1]

100 minutes? Wow! I don't feel so bad about my plan here in the US

[gekko513]

But what I really wonder is why we can't have a regular plan without any included minutes or SMS, something like:

Plan at 199,-
0 minutes
0 SMS
0 MB

0,99(0,39) per minute
0,69 per SMS
0,69 per MB

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Just received a devastating response from Netcom customer support: Hei, maksprisen på 20 kroner pr dag gjelder dessverre ikke for de nye iTalk prisplanene.No NOK 20 per day cap...which means going over the ridiculous low data limit(s) may indeed be extremely costly... :mad:

That was the final blow. I don't see myself buying off my old contract to get an iPhone now, so I'm gonna wait until January, and see if Netcom have come to their senses by then.

iPhone day countdown widget removed.

[gekko513]

What's wrong with this picture?

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Ok, now I know we're being screwed...

Telia just opened up to allow iPhone 3G buyers to choose among (most of) their plans with the iPhone and added free data as an extra service at just SEK 199 (≈ NOK 169) per month: Telia: iPhone 3G med samtliga mobilabonnemang för privatkunder (http://www.telia.se/privat/produkter_tjanster/mobilt/produkterocherbjudanden/apple/iphone_pris_privat.page)

Ok, so the iPhones will be a bit more expensive (depending on the plan and contract length, 18 or 24 months), but now Netcom's plans seem even more ridiculous... :mad::mad::mad:

<insert assorted swear words here>

Now, I usually lagh at online petitions, but I just signed my second ever** here: http://fri-iphone.org/

** First one was to "save" Farscape (http://farscape.com), if I remember correctly...

[drchipinski]

The small at NOK 399 (US$ 79) pr month includes 100 minutes of calls, 100 SMS and (ridiciously low) 100MB of data (free Wifi doesn't even remotely make up for that low cap).

The medium at NOK 699 (US$ 138) per month with 250/250/250 or the large at a whooping NOK 1099 (US$217) per month at 1000/1000/1000 is just insane.

What is the point of launching a product that is not affordable by "most" people?

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Well, affordable and affordable... even if 399 is almost 3 times my current monthly phone bill, it's not out of reach for most people, and I'd gladly pay that for a plan with free data (h***, I'd even pay for my calls and SMSs on top of that if need be). :(

And if you compare it to the US prices (which people complain about), English, Dutch or even Swedish (which should be comparable) we're being royally screwed... :mad:

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Hmm... there's been an addition to the iPhone FAQ at Netcom.no: "For å sikre at dine eventuelle datatrafikk kostnader ikke løper fullstendig ut av kontroll har vi satt en maksimal pris for data, utover inkludert forbruk på kr 990,- per måned."

Ok, so a cap at NOK 990,- per month for data is not quite as good as, let's say the Swedish SEK 199,- (NOK 169,-), but it's a start...and an insurance against totally insane** bills...

Now, make the deal a bit better, Netcom, and I just might bite...after all... :)


** I calculated earlier that 20 MB per day, with the iTalk small plan, where you use your cap the first 5 days, would be billed 26 x 200 + 399 = NOK 8199,- (≈ US$1612) for that month, and that scared the s*** out of me, now that bill will only be NOK 1389,- (≈ US$273), and that's much more managable... :)

[iSaga]

Can the plans be mixed and matched. Like say I want the middle plan with 250 minutes plus 250 SMS but want the 1000 MB of data, is that possible?

Or can unlimited data be added to any of the plans?

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Can the plans be mixed and matched. Like say I want the middle plan with 250 minutes plus 250 SMS but want the 1000 MB of data, is that possible? No, I'm afraid not! At least not yet...
Or can unlimited data be added to any of the plans?No, not really...

They've kind of added unlimited data today...kind of... (max 990,- per month, <edit>that's 990,- on top of the 399/699/1099 of your chosen plan, that is</edit>)

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Netcom has caved in!!!

Free data plan at NOK 499,- (US$ 97) with no free minutes and NOK 1900,- (US$372) added to iPhone price:

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No included minutes (0,45 per minute and a hefty start prive) or SMSs (0,59 per SMS), and the 8GB/16GB iPhone is NOK 3.290/4.190 (US$ 645/822).

https://netcom.no/iphone.html

http://digi.no/php/art.php?id=778854

Still a much, much worse deal than the Swedes and whiny Americans (;)) (not to mention UK or Dutch prices), but considering Norwegian prices this is actually not that bad...

I'm getting an iPhone, after all...
...if I can get my hands on one...

So, now we can start nagging about the price, instead... :p

[m2uk]

Fri i norden också... ?!?

Come on bloody TeliaSonera Finland Wake up...

[reboad]

Fri i norden också... ?!?

Come on bloody TeliaSonera Finland Wake up...

Umh, I think our options are better. You can fully customize your own plan if you pay the phone at once, with unlimited data and all. (even though it's far more expensive than with other providers)

Edit: Okay, I just checked what those numbers mean in euros and I have to say; our options are WAY, WAY BETTER!

[m2uk]

Must recheck. Sonera did not seem to want to admit anything like that when I called our local sales contact. I know there was unlimied homerun but that's not the same. Oh well, a little job for tomorrow. Now waiting for the good lady to come home :)

[reboad]

Must recheck. Sonera did not seem to want to admit anything like that when I called our local sales contact. I know there was unlimied homerun but that's not the same. Oh well, a little job for tomorrow. Now waiting for the good lady to come home :)

Here (http://www.sonera.fi/Puhelin%20ja%20liittym%E4/Hinnat), and look at the option Minun Sonera. Oh, and it was there from the start.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Fri i norden också... ?!?Ikke data, kun Homerun (http://www.homerun.no/nor/about/) wifi-aksess... men det er nå også noe... ;)

Okay, I just checked what those numbers mean in euros and I have to say; our options are WAY, WAY BETTER!Everybody got better prices than us... but - at least - now we have a free data plan... that's more than we had before the weekend... :)

[gekko513]

This is actually kinda great... not compared to other countries of course, but compared to how it was before.

The price per MB for going over the capped plans has also dropped from 10kr to 5kr per MB and the max additional cost for data is limited to kr 990/690/190 for the three original plans. Sweet.

Edit: However I don't get why we have to pay kr 1900 more for the phone itself and kr 3100 more total for the first year with the free data option. Since the new plan has 0 included minutes and SMS it's the only one that's almost guaranteed to give them more income than the minimum price for one year.

With the price per MB being halved and the kr 990 cap, I might go for the iTalk small now.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

With the price per MB being halved and the kr 990 cap, I might go for the iTalk small now.
He-he...

I was just thinking this myself earlier today... take those 3000 you "save" and put them towards extra data whenever 100 MB aren't enough a month...

Of course, if the whole 3000 is blown in the first three months - ant that is a distinct possibility - then I know I'd made the wrong choice... ;)

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

The list of stores that will sell the iPhone Friday is released (digi (http://www.digi.no/php/art.php?id=779080)):


Oslo: Telebutikken Byporten
Oslo: Telebutikken Oslo City
Bergen: Telebutikken Galleriet
Drammen: Telebutikken Magasinet
Skien: Telebutikken Herkules
Trondheim: Telebutikken Trondheim Torg
Trondheim: Telebutikken Solsiden
Tønsberg: Telebutikken Farmanstredet
Tromsø: Telebutikken Nerstranda
Fredrikstad: Telebutikken Torvbyen
Bodø: Telebutikken Glasshuset
Kristiansand: Telebutikken Sørlandssenteret
Sandvika: Telebutikken Sandvika
Ålesund: Telebutikken Amfi Moa Øst
Sandnes/Stavanger: Telebutikken Kvadrat


Telebutikken Byporten opens at 06:00, while the rest opens "at their usual time" (opening times at idg.no (http://www.idg.no/nyheter/article101900.ece)).

Happy hunting!

Funny thing: I even went in and asked which of the four Telebuttikken shops in Bergen that would sell the iPhone come Friday at Telebutikken Galleriet yesterday and they just smiled and said they couldn't say anything...and told me to wait for an announcement in the media... cheeky bastids... :D

[iSaga]

anyone know where I can get an iPhone in Norway? I just moved here from the US and am lost without an iphone.

[gekko513]

anyone know where I can get an iPhone in Norway? I just moved here from the US and am lost without an iphone.

See the list above that Mitthrawnuruodo posted. You can also order it at netcom.no (http://netcom.no).

[Spritey]

anyone else having a discrepancy between the billed usage and the. Sent/received usage meter on the phone? It's never been reset so it should have been the same since it's my first month. Instead my iPhone tells me I've used 30mb less than my usage according to Mine Sider on Netcom.

I would have expected the iPhone usage to show a higher amount due to update delays, not the other way around.

[iSaga]

See the list above that Mitthrawnuruodo posted. You can also order it at netcom.no (http://netcom.no).

Do you guys know how often the store in Bergen restocks? I was in there the other day and the guy wasn't very helpful, spoke to the netcom.no sales support and they restock on Wednesdays, I'm wondering if it is the same for the stores.

I'd rather go into a store and pick one up but will order on Wednesday if need be, the online store only has 16gb in white at the moment.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

My cousin got a black 8GB this Wednesday down at Galleriet.

They should get new ones every Wednesday, but - as mentioned earlier in this thread - the guys at Telebutikken Galleriet aren't very helpful when asked about these kinds of questions... ;)

You'll probably have to be there quite early, though...to get the one you want...

[iSaga]

Any of my fellow norwegian netcom users have visual voice mail? I have been wondering about this since I got the iPhone, if it is just not offered through netcom or it is something I need to ad on extra?

Also a side note Telebutikken Bystasjonen in Bergen now sells the iPhone, they seemed much more willing to help as well then the people at Galleriet if an issue should arise.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Any of my fellow norwegian netcom users have visual voice mail? I have been wondering about this since I got the iPhone, if it is just not offered through netcom or it is something I need to ad on extra?No, not seen it, yet... :mad:

I asked Netcom about it back in July, and the answer then was:

Denne tjenesten er per idag ikke tilgjengelig. Det jobbes med saken men per idag har vi dessverre ikke noen dato for når tjenesten blir tilgjengelig

Translated: This service is not available as of this date. It's being worked on, but as of now we're sorry to say we have no date for which the service should be available.

Helpful... :rolleyes:

Maybe time for a follow up mail soon...?

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

U-oh... it's getting worse...

I sent a follow up question to Netcom this weekend, asking if and when Visual voicemail would be available. The answer:

Hei, det er ikke tatt noen avgjørelse om vi skal tilby visual voicemail eller ikke. En avgjørelse vil komme i løpet av 4 kvartal.
Translated: Hi, it's not decided if we're going to offer visual voicemail or not. A decision will me made some time within the 4th quarter.

Yeah...love the sound of that... :rolleyes:

[Chundles]

U-oh... it's getting worse...

I sent a follow up question to Netcom this weekend, asking if and when Visual voicemail would be available. The answer:


Translated: Hi, it's not decided if we're going to offer visual voicemail or not. A decision will me made some time within the 4th quarter.

Yeah...love the sound of that... :rolleyes:

That's not what it says - it says "The next time you ask whether or not Sigur Ros is Norwegian or Icelandic I'm going to float your corpse down a fjord."

Don't start we me on Scandinavian languages...:D

[sibruk]

And I was thinking we got ripped off in the uk that is really bad
Truth is, our O2 plans are actually some of the best iPhone plans out there! These have got to be the worst tarrifs I've seen so far. :(

[neesh0]

I cant believe that a company more evil than rogers exists, that sucks dude.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

That's not what it says...
That's just if you read it backwards...

:dogeyes:

[Anuba]

U-oh... it's getting worse...

I sent a follow up question to Netcom this weekend, asking if and when Visual voicemail would be available. The answer:


Translated: Hi, it's not decided if we're going to offer visual voicemail or not. A decision will me made some time within the 4th quarter.

Yeah...love the sound of that... :rolleyes:
TeliaSonera isn't planning on implementing visual voicemail either, so this is nothing out of the ordinary. I don't think any European countries have it, except maybe UK and Germany since they were in on the iPhone from the beginning (=the old 2G). All these carriers already went out of their way to implement a rather unusual US-inspired business model just to please Apple, but I think that's where they draw the line; they're not going to make any technical modifications to their networks just for one phone from one manufacturer. iPhone is cool, but it's not OMG-stop-the-presses-we're-not-worthy spectacular...

[Jeremy1026]

Ha, I like how they make a point to note "Free WiFi." They wouldn't be able to charge for that even if they wanted to.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Ha, I like how they make a point to note "Free WiFi." They wouldn't be able to charge for that even if they wanted to.Actually, since they (probably) refer to their own network of hotspots, they could... and do for other customers...

On the other hand isn't the offer any good...the only time I actually found one of their bases I was completely unable to log in on it... :rolleyes:

[Pressure]

You can buy it unlocked in Denmark for around 5.400 DKR ($1,069).

And then use whatever SIM card you feel like.

[samab]

I cant believe that a company more evil than rogers exists, that sucks dude.

Norway has only 2 national carriers --- that's why their prices are really insane.

When Canada went from 4 carriers to 3 carriers --- that's when competition really stopped.