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jdcrow711
Jul 10, 2008, 02:49 PM
hey all -- i am at work so i cant do it myself but my interest is peaked. what are those realllly expensive apps??

Thanks!



Sky Blue
Jul 10, 2008, 02:52 PM
http://idisk.mac.com/mike.rice/Public/Pictures/Skitch/iTunes-20080710-154746.jpg

Deadman64
Jul 10, 2008, 03:04 PM
http://idisk.mac.com/mike.rice/Public/Pictures/Skitch/iTunes-20080710-154746.jpg
lmao?!?

GR33NIE
Jul 10, 2008, 03:06 PM
What - This is a joke right! :p:rolleyes:

markym07931
Jul 10, 2008, 03:09 PM
UK price is 39.99 ($77)

Sky Blue
Jul 10, 2008, 03:09 PM
It's for pilots .. it shows weather conditions etc.

carve
Jul 10, 2008, 03:09 PM
Most of them are free through $15.

dotcomlarry
Jul 10, 2008, 03:10 PM
It's an app for pilots... Airport information, METARs, TAFs, aviation weather imagery, flight plan filing, etc etc... if you didn't understand any part of that, it's probably not for you :)

Netter's Anatomy (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=282143480&mt=8) and Netter's Neuroscience (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=284974466&mt=8) flash cards are both $40.

Deadman64
Jul 10, 2008, 03:10 PM
It's for pilots .. it shows weather conditions etc.

For that price i hope it flies the plane for them too.

Auzburner
Jul 10, 2008, 03:11 PM
In general: all the Apps seem a bit over priced! What does the $70 app even do?

AustinSTI
Jul 10, 2008, 03:11 PM
No joke; very robust app (which more were this robust). You can file a flight plan from your iphone and do just about any prep work for a flight from your iphone with this app. It looked pretty interesting actually. I'm not a pilot so not for me but I bet there are folks out there who this tickles...

animenick65
Jul 10, 2008, 03:11 PM
Checkout the Foreflight website. Its a pretty complete app for pilots. Full weather maps and travel paths. No wonder it costs $70.

Auzburner
Jul 10, 2008, 03:11 PM
In general: all the Apps seem a bit over priced! What does the $70 app even do? - That causes such a price leap?

aethelbert
Jul 10, 2008, 03:12 PM
http://idisk.mac.com/mike.rice/Public/Pictures/Skitch/iTunes-20080710-154746.jpg
What's wrong with that pricing? That's a pretty good price for an app like that, especially considering that most aviation apps like this run on subscriptions.

markym07931
Jul 10, 2008, 03:15 PM
it is interesting... the app store..

there are plenty of free applications, but, then.. there is the same thing, by someone else, which is being sold for, say 59p (UK)... why bother buying it, when there is a free version..

things like a voice recorder... from FREE to 2.99
flashlight - FREE - to 0.59p

hmm... i'll just save myself 3.58 and get the free ones thanks

viggen61
Jul 10, 2008, 03:18 PM
What I find amusing is all the weather info is available FREE on the web. ALl this does for you is bring it together in one spot...

:apple::apple:

djransom
Jul 10, 2008, 03:25 PM
What I find amusing is all the weather info is available FREE on the web. ALl this does for you is bring it together in one spot...

:apple::apple:

I'm pretty sure there is more to it than just the weather for pilots.

jdcrow711
Jul 10, 2008, 03:27 PM
thanks everyone... anything else like 40+??

Type121
Jul 10, 2008, 03:34 PM
I'm pretty sure there is more to it than just the weather for pilots.

If I were still flying, I'd buy it immediately. Yeah, everything it does can be found free elsewhere, but the integration and interface is fantastic. And it's cheap compared to other mobile aviation tools.

firewood
Jul 10, 2008, 03:48 PM
If you can afford to keep a pilots license current, you can afford an app that saves you a tiny amount of time and gets you official and specifically detailed aviation weather reports (what's the wind report and outlook at the altitude in your flight plan, etc.) Your life may depend on it.

Badandy
Jul 10, 2008, 03:52 PM
For that price i hope it flies the plane for them too.

Do you expect them to just go on weather.com?!

Very reasonable price.

Sky Blue
Jul 10, 2008, 03:57 PM
What's wrong with that pricing? That's a pretty good price for an app like that, especially considering that most aviation apps like this run on subscriptions.

Nothing wrong with it. OP just wanted high price apps.

rhett7660
Jul 10, 2008, 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by Deadman64
For that price i hope it flies the plane for them too

Do you have any clue what this piece of software does? If not, go get your pilot license, maintain that license and then come back to tell us if you think this is a good price or not.

For what it does the price is spot on. Like others have said, most of the software or websites are subscription that can cost alot more then what you would be paying for this app.

jdcrow711
Jul 10, 2008, 05:21 PM
Nothing wrong with it. OP just wanted high price apps.

exactly :) i was at work and saw the graph showing things at 40-70 dollars and was like "wtf are those???"

marksman
Jul 10, 2008, 05:25 PM
Why don't people understand that the iPhone is not for poor people.

From crying about rates, to having to unlock your phone to be on the cheap to now complaining about the costs of applications you have no idea what they even are...

KNOCK IT OFF.

Seriously. It is getting tired. Just because the iPhone is a small device does not mean there can not be applications that are valuable. I guarantee you that in the future there will be limited targeted applications that will cost hundreds and thousands of dollars.

jdcrow711
Jul 10, 2008, 05:33 PM
Why don't people understand that the iPhone is not for poor people.

From crying about rates, to having to unlock your phone to be on the cheap to now complaining about the costs of applications you have no idea what they even are...

KNOCK IT OFF.

Seriously. It is getting tired. Just because the iPhone is a small device does not mean there can not be applications that are valuable. I guarantee you that in the future there will be limited targeted applications that will cost hundreds and thousands of dollars.

hmmm i dont recall complaining once. i am buying my phone tomorrow and i can afford it. i just didnt expect high costs like that on apps and it peaked my curiosity and couldnt look it up myself!

TB07-NJ
Jul 10, 2008, 05:36 PM
Neither are Mercedes, Bmerses and Lexus's (Lexi?) :) but you see them parked in places that will surprise you. Why don't people understand that the iPhone is not for poor people.

t0mat0
Jul 10, 2008, 05:38 PM
Neither are Mercedes, Bmerses and Lexus's (Lexi?) :) but you see them parked in places that will surprise you.

And why they're parked there might surprise you (or who the owner is).

marksman
Jul 10, 2008, 05:39 PM
hmmm i dont recall complaining once. i am buying my phone tomorrow and i can afford it. i just didnt expect high costs like that on apps and it peaked my curiosity and couldnt look it up myself!

Most apps are free or less than a $1.00

Why would you care that one or two apps are over $20?

The thread title implies that the Apple Store Apps are priced high, which by any measurement does not seem to be true.

marksman
Jul 10, 2008, 05:40 PM
Neither are Mercedes, Bmerses and Lexus's (Lexi?) :) but you see them parked in places that will surprise you.

I am going to shoplift in the App Store.

jdcrow711
Jul 10, 2008, 05:42 PM
Most apps are free or less than a $1.00

Why would you care that one or two apps are over $20?

The thread title implies that the Apple Store Apps are priced high, which by any measurement does not seem to be true.

from running through itunes app store just now it looks to be 10+ over 25 dollars. Mostly dictionaries and bible programs. I dont care that they are that much ... as i believe the original post said -- I was at work and just curious WHAT they were -- not why they cost that much.

Ninja Dom
Jul 10, 2008, 05:42 PM
I have no problem with what the app does for the money, my problem is the program is only 4.5Mb big. So in the UK you're paying 10 per Mb.

Doesn't contrast well with a PS 3 game on a Blu-Ray disc.

firewood
Jul 10, 2008, 05:58 PM
It's a store. Standard retail store marketing rules apply. If some percentage of your customers can afford to buy gold plated widgets, then you stock some gold plated widgets on the shelves and profit from the occasional sale. Plus it makes the standard cardboard widgets on the next shelf over look like so much of a better deal to most other customers.

David G.
Jul 10, 2008, 06:02 PM
And why they're parked there might surprise you (or who the owner is).

I was making polite conversation with a Benz M-class owner at a laundromat when our washing machine broke and he said he didn't even have one(washing machine.):eek:

On topic, is there a limit a Developer can charge for an App?

Sbrocket
Jul 10, 2008, 06:05 PM
I have no problem with what the app does for the money, my problem is the program is only 4.5Mb big. So in the UK you're paying 10 per Mb.

Doesn't contrast well with a PS 3 game on a Blu-Ray disc.

You're complaining because an app doesn't take up space on your device?

Come oonnnn....

NT1440
Jul 10, 2008, 06:06 PM
In general: all the Apps seem a bit over priced! What does the $70 app even do?
how can u say in general there over priced when the vast majority are less than 10? as well as over 100 (and soon to be plenty more) are free?

David G.
Jul 10, 2008, 06:14 PM
You're complaining because an app doesn't take up space on your device?

Come oonnnn....

I think he's complaining you pay a lot of money for a little.

SuperMB $10 - 35.2 MB
Foreflight $70 - 4.5 MB
Texas Hold'em $5 - 128 MB

NT1440
Jul 10, 2008, 06:19 PM
I think he's complaining you pay a lot of money for a little.

SuperMB $10 - 35.2 MB
Foreflight $70 - 4.5 MB

thats rediculous, the size of the app doesnt dictate its quality, especially if they do different things.

cjmal
Jul 10, 2008, 07:08 PM
Ignore. I was looking at the iTunes store for the wrong country.

firewood
Jul 10, 2008, 07:11 PM
thats rediculous, the size of the app doesnt dictate its quality, especially if they do different things.

The size of an app is mostly related to the amount of built in music and graphics. That may or may not have anthing to do with an apps "quality".

You can unzip an app, open it up the package in Finder, and examine the size of its contents. The small app I examined was more than 2/3rds images.

cjmal
Jul 10, 2008, 07:12 PM
Ignore post.

firewood
Jul 10, 2008, 07:15 PM
I'm surprised that no one has put up a really expensive app yet (a tire rotation reminder app for Ferrari's, or somesuch), just to see if anyone would bite.

.Andy
Jul 10, 2008, 07:18 PM
I'm surprised that no one has put up a really expensive app yet (a tire rotation reminder app for Ferrari's, or somesuch), just to see if anyone would bite.
This isn't such a silly idea - the handling in my F50 can get rough if I miss a rotation.

NT1440
Jul 10, 2008, 07:23 PM
The size of an app is mostly related to the amount of built in music and graphics. That may or may not have anthing to do with an apps "quality".

You can unzip an app, open it up the package in Finder, and examine the size of its contents. The small app I examined was more than 2/3rds images.

i was responding to a person who seems to think that apps should be sold by the byte apparantly, when he was upset that a 70 mb app cost less than a 10 mb one.

David G.
Jul 10, 2008, 07:30 PM
i was responding to a person who seems to think that apps should be sold by the byte apparantly, when he was upset that a 70 mb app cost less than a 10 mb one.

Ack, I don't think that way, and never did. I was just trying to explain what I thought Ninja Dom's thought processes were.

NT1440
Jul 10, 2008, 07:35 PM
Ack, I don't think that way, and never did. I was just trying to explain what I thought Ninja Dom's thought processes were.

lol my bad, my speculation of your speculation of the thoughts of some other dudes thoughts were wrong

AdamHoughton
Jul 11, 2008, 11:17 AM
FYI (regarding app size)
I'm one of the developers on the ForeFlight team. The reason ForeFlight Mobile is so small is because all of the data is time sensitive (weather, FAA alerts, etc) and lives on our servers. I don't have the exact count in front of me, but it's multiple GB. As users access the data, some of it is pulled down to their iPhone & cached for later use.

jordskee
Jul 11, 2008, 11:20 AM
It's an app for pilots... Airport information, METARs, TAFs, aviation weather imagery, flight plan filing, etc etc... if you didn't understand any part of that, it's probably not for you :)

Netter's Anatomy (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=282143480&mt=8) and Netter's Neuroscience (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=284974466&mt=8) flash cards are both $40.

thats unfortunate cause you have too turn off cellular networks on planes lmao!

admanimal
Jul 11, 2008, 12:33 PM
People need to understand the economics of pricing. If you have an app that will be extremely useful to a relatively small number of people, it's going to cost a lot.

It's not meant to be at a price that everyone can afford, because very few people have any use for it. But the people who do need it will pay a large sum for it.

wordmunger
Jul 11, 2008, 12:41 PM
FYI (regarding app size)
I'm one of the developers on the ForeFlight team. The reason ForeFlight Mobile is so small is because all of the data is time sensitive (weather, FAA alerts, etc) and lives on our servers. I don't have the exact count in front of me, but it's multiple GB. As users access the data, some of it is pulled down to their iPhone & cached for later use.

It's fascinating how much attention your app is getting just because it's the "most expensive." My dad is a pilot and this is a trivial amount of money compared to what they spend on other devices/subscriptions. Sounds like a really nice product that has been very carefully programmed. I wouldn't be surprised to hear of pilots buying iPhones just to get this app. So they might be spending $300 plus $75 a month just to get a $69 application!

krye
Jul 11, 2008, 12:51 PM
Yes, you get what you pay for. And in my opinion there are very few free apps that are worth downloading. Half of them are glorified widgets and don't deserve to be called "applications".

iHaVEnOmMrS
Jul 11, 2008, 12:59 PM
http://i35.tinypic.com/mm7bqf.png
The new most expensive app.

krye
Jul 11, 2008, 01:10 PM
http://i35.tinypic.com/mm7bqf.png
The new most expensive app.



Of course, there are always going to be people that are just looking to cash in. After all, for 80 bucks, it must be good right? (sarcasm)

AdamHoughton
Jul 11, 2008, 02:28 PM
It's fascinating how much attention your app is getting just because it's the "most expensive." My dad is a pilot and this is a trivial amount of money compared to what they spend on other devices/subscriptions. Sounds like a really nice product that has been very carefully programmed. I wouldn't be surprised to hear of pilots buying iPhones just to get this app. So they might be spending $300 plus $75 a month just to get a $69 application!

@wordmunger - It really is interesting how much attention we are getting (although it looks like we're now the #2 most expensive app). For a bit of comparison, ForeFlight has been available for the last year as a web application subscription service targeted for iPhone users. The previous pricing was $79/year or $9/month, and we built a strong user base in the aviation community. So the native version we released yesterday is actually cheaper (one-time $69.99), with more features than the web version - and everyone is complaining it's not $9.99! All of our competitors charge over $100 annually for this type of service.

I posted a few more thoughts on pricing vertical apps on my personal blog (http://www.adamhoughton.com/2008/07/foreflight-appstores-most-expensive-app.html).

usafaviator
Jul 11, 2008, 03:17 PM
Gents - this software is incredible for the price. My credentials to make the statement come from 3,000 flying hours and 6 airframes (currently the mighty C-17). One of the biggest hassles in aviation, particularly military aviation lies in the fact that information is scattered about many publications, most of which are hundreds of pages long. Having all the info in one place that fits in the pocket of my flightsuit is well worth it. I'll buy it.

skiesforme
Jul 11, 2008, 03:19 PM
http://idisk.mac.com/mike.rice/Public/Pictures/Skitch/iTunes-20080710-154746.jpg

Did anybody ask him if this damn App would work in-flight ?? :D
Where's your signal (3G, Wi-Fi) onboard ?

usafaviator
Jul 11, 2008, 03:27 PM
Did anybody ask him if this damn App would work in-flight ?? :D
Where's your signal (3G, Wi-Fi) onboard ?

Flight planning is performed prior to flight, so this isn't a great concern. There are a few planes in the inventory with internet services available in flight, but mine personally normally does not. CPDLC, AOC, AERO-I, etc. work just as well to get me up to the second info, so it's no loss for me. Smaller aircraft (C-172s, etc) ususally fly low enough to pick up a signal, though.

AdamHoughton
Jul 11, 2008, 03:38 PM
Did anybody ask him if this damn App would work in-flight ?? :D
Where's your signal (3G, Wi-Fi) onboard ?

(At the risk of hijacking this thread into ForeFlight marketing...)

@skiesforme The focus of ForeFlight is preflight intelligence, and is primarily used by pilots before takeoff. Right, some limited data is loaded on the device & available when not connected to the web. We're currently working on adding more native data for offline use, which will be available in an upcoming release (and a free upgrade for current customers).

More detail from our FAQ (http://www.foreflight.com/support.php):
The A/FD country and state listings are stored on the device as well as DUATs settings. Airport details, charts, approach plates and other elements are downloaded from their sources (such as NACO) as you request them. Therefore a web connection (Edge, 3G, or WiFi) is required to use FFM2.0 at this time. We know from our own experience and the feedback of ForeFlight users that having those items on the phone itself will be of tremendous utility, and it's the #1 feature we're working on. We can't provide an estimate of when, but rest assured that we're working diligently to make it happen!

robbiekins
Jul 11, 2008, 03:56 PM
There are also the Netter's Atlas tools which, for a year 1 medical student like myself, are completely invaluable and will most certainly be purchased.

It's $40.00, but I consider it an educational expense.

usafaviator
Jul 11, 2008, 03:57 PM
(At the risk of hijacking this thread into ForeFlight marketing...)

@skiesforme The focus of ForeFlight is preflight intelligence, and is primarily used by pilots before takeoff. Right, some limited data is loaded on the device & available when not connected to the web. We're currently working on adding more native data for offline use, which will be available in an upcoming release (and a free upgrade for current customers).

More detail from our FAQ (http://www.foreflight.com/support.php):
The A/FD country and state listings are stored on the device as well as DUATs settings. Airport details, charts, approach plates and other elements are downloaded from their sources (such as NACO) as you request them. Therefore a web connection (Edge, 3G, or WiFi) is required to use FFM2.0 at this time. We know from our own experience and the feedback of ForeFlight users that having those items on the phone itself will be of tremendous utility, and it's the #1 feature we're working on. We can't provide an estimate of when, but rest assured that we're working diligently to make it happen!

Adam - it would be particularly useful if you could add the functionality to store approach plates, airport diagrams, and trouble T info on the phone/touch. Also - can you file an 1801 or only an FAA flight plan (which I hear are going away anyway...)

To help keep on topic (I know I'm not doing so well), you guys might be able to see now that there's a big difference between weather.com and this app, hench the "high app pricing". Hey - I even worked the thread title into the post. What more can you ask for?

bigrash
Jul 11, 2008, 04:20 PM
I bet when the TomTom GPS application comes out it'll be more expensive than any other app.

AdamHoughton
Jul 11, 2008, 04:22 PM
Adam - it would be particularly useful if you could add the functionality to store approach plates, airport diagrams, and trouble T info on the phone/touch. Also - can you file an 1801 or only an FAA flight plan (which I hear are going away anyway...)

@usafaviator Currently you can only file an FAA domestic, which is not going away though there are new limits being put on it. We plan to add ICAO filing in the future. Thanks for the feedback on local storage - we're working hard to get the next version out!

(Sorry, can't come up w/a way to conform to the thread topic...)

Doctor Q
Jul 11, 2008, 04:24 PM
We don't allow software vendors to have "business accounts" at MacRumors, since accounts are meant for personal discussion only, and we also want to avoid having companies do sales, customer service, or promotion in these forums, but in this case I think it was appropriate for AdamHoughton to address the issues raised by this thread.

Sobe
Jul 11, 2008, 04:42 PM
I'll probably never use this product, but I appreciate the chance to listen in on the thought process etc.

Thanks!

Badandy
Jul 11, 2008, 05:35 PM
We don't allow software vendors to have "business accounts" at MacRumors, since accounts are meant for personal discussion only, and we also want to avoid having companies do sales, customer service, or promotion in these forums, but in this case I think it was appropriate for AdamHoughton to address the issues raised by this thread.


Perfect decision, it was actually really helpful. I'll be relating the information to a friend of mine who flies.

kinchee87
Jul 11, 2008, 06:08 PM
I've noticed that some apps are now cheaper (in the New Zealand App Store). Sketches for example, used to cost $10.99 but is now $8.29.

Doctor Q
Jul 16, 2008, 02:27 PM
A lot of companies had to guess what price to charge without knowing what kind of sales to expect at a given price. Pricing software is always tricky, because it's not a certain percentage markup over manufacturing costs (as for hardware). The costs are the initial R&D, overhead like developer fees, support costs (which probably won't be high for many of these applications), any promotion they do, and Apple's cut of the sales.

No doubt some of them will adjust prices along the way as they try to hit the sweet spot where price x number_sold is maximized.

Virgil-TB2
Jul 16, 2008, 02:43 PM
A lot of companies had to guess what price to charge without knowing what kind of sales to expect at a given price. Pricing software is always tricky, because it's not a certain percentage markup over manufacturing costs (as for hardware). The costs are the initial R&D, overhead like developer fees, support costs (which probably won't be high for many of these applications), any promotion they do, and Apple's cut of the sales.

No doubt some of them will adjust prices along the way as they try to hit the sweet spot where price x number_sold is maximized.Sounds reasonable.

Personally, I am not so much upset by the *most* expensive apps as I am by the mid-range and the rip-offs at the lower end. I was thinking of buying Netter's flashcards for instance and at 40 dollars they seem like a good value to me. The same goes for this flight weather app.

The real rip-offs are those charging 20 dollars for a tiny game with mostly "borrowed" code and bugs. Also those that make an app for which there is a free version by someone else that's actually coded better. The typical app price of five bucks is pretty cheap, but not if you get zero dollars worth of product.

If an app is generally in the "free category" in that it's code has been floating around for years, it's a poor copy of something else, it's a "one-trick pony," or it's just junk, then it should be free price-wise as well. There are a great many $.99 apps that I refuse to buy because it's just not right to give people money for stuff that they didn't do any effort to create and isn't very well made to begin with.

In short, there is no limit to what people might pay for a quality app that they actually need and will use daily, there is no price too low for many of the AppStore apps.

A large part of the $.99 - $9.99 crowd should really be FREE until they get the bugs out and make something a little more professional.

Doctor Q
Jul 16, 2008, 05:26 PM
The way to address those problems is with well-informed consumers, and that's where sites like this one and touchArcade (http://toucharcade.com/) can help. If I know the quality of a (non-free) application from reviews, ratings, or forum discussions, I can judge whether it is worth the price to ME.