iPhone 2.0 Firmware Jailbroken and Unlocked

[andybno1]

it would seem the dav team have already jailbroken the 2.0 firmware

http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/41730121/living-in-sweet-harmony

note the screenshots have installer and cydia next to app store

[starwars246]

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thecrackerjack]

Now... I we can only hope its as simple as the ziphone tool.

[David G.]

I don't plan on Jailbreaking but this is just funny. haha :apple:

[MacRumors]

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For those of you still interested in untethering your iPhone from its designated carrier, Gizmodo reports (http://gizmodo.com/5023971/iphone-os-20-unlocked-yes) that the iPhone Dev Team has already managed to both jailbreak and unlock the latest iPhone 2.0 release.

The team plans on releasing their Pwnage tool so that everyone can unlock and jailbreak their iPhones.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/07/10/iphone-2-0-firmware-jailbroken-and-unlocked/)

[dangoland]

Well that was fast... I wouldnt jailbreak it just yet, give it some time to see how it works out for those who do.
A lot of people still have to get around activating an at&t plan first to use it in another carrier though.

[amusiccale]

I'm impressed at the speed with which they've jailbroken it, but without a lot of beta testers (documented attempts), it's possibly worth some wait to see how things shape up.

[DaveTheGrey]

can't wait for remote.app :D

[GeekLawyer]

Impressive. So impressive. Whoever had money on "jailbroken/unlocked before official release" is a winner.

[MojoWill]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

[stevehp]

I'm guessing this will work on 1st Gen iPhones? Never used Pwnage...only unlocked using ZiPhone...Hopefully this will work for me once released! ;)

[captain kaos]

if you have a quick search on google theses guys hacked it properly within the firmware back in May!

[nickXedge]

There goes the resale value of my current/old iPhone...

:(

[Riemann Zeta]

That was quick.

[rioja]

God bless the Dev Team!

[bacaramac]

Did this cover the 3G iPhone or just the 2.0 Software? I think it is only 2.0 on Gen1 Phones.

EDIT: Quote from Zibri:

"The device failsafe utility
(or Device firmware upgrade as someone says),
better known as DFU
it's a failsafe basic (and quite trivial) bootloader
present on the iPhone.
This is the weak point of the iPhone 2G and
hopefully 3G.
This post maybe means nothing to you,
but before anyone will say I copied/robbed anything
just remember you read it here first.
I will not release anything tomorrow.
And I strongly suggest
not to upgrade itunes nor the iPhone."

To me it looks like 3G iPhone has a chance of fixing the above weakness.

[techage14]

holy ****!
very. fast.

[overanalyzer]

Well they have had the beta firmware to work with for months. Probably just had to confirm the hack worked for the final release version too. Still impressive timing, though.

[paenguin]

i wasn't finish telling a friend that they will find a jailbreak soon..

phewweee.. Dev Team are fast!! way fast!

[djellison]

"Now that the official iPhone OS 2.0 is out, "

Really?

[Krizoitz]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

[mrzeve]

Dont read his blog. That guy is an idiot and the cause of many iPhone brickings.

Did this cover the 3G iPhone or just the 2.0 Software? I think it is only 2.0 on Gen1 Phones.

EDIT: Quote from Zibri:

"The device failsafe utility
(or Device firmware upgrade as someone says),
better known as DFU
it's a failsafe basic (and quite trivial) bootloader
present on the iPhone.
This is the weak point of the iPhone 2G and
hopefully 3G.
This post maybe means nothing to you,
but before anyone will say I copied/robbed anything
just remember you read it here first.
I will not release anything tomorrow.
And I strongly suggest
not to upgrade itunes nor the iPhone."

To me it looks like 3G iPhone has a chance of fixing the above weakness.

[LastZion]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Tell me how you really feel.... wowsers. Hostility?

We do appreciate BIG TIME the hard work people put into a product, we are not undermining that in anyway.

Regardless, way to go Dev Team, very fast indeed!
Cheers

[macfan881]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

its nearly impossible to brick a ipod or iphone

[stevehp]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

It's not against the law to unlock a phone. At least in my country.

[Hamburger3]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Unlocking and Jailbreaking is not against the law.

:rolleyes:

[djellison]

It's not against the law to unlock a phone. At least in my country.

Indeed - it's illegal to distribute a phone without making it available unlocked in many countries - it's a monopolistic practice.

Doug

[thejadedmonkey]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Chill out, jailbreaking has nothing to do with the prices of using the network. The process, more formally known as unlocking, is available from most major carriers for free.

[severe]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!


I suggest you educate yourself on the early days of Apple. ...and Microsoft, for that matter.

And by the way, one can't hack the iPhone without purchasing it first.

Welcome to the world of computers.

[jahsavi]

I'm not worried about the value of my old iphone selling on ebay. The new 3G only works under 3G networks. The old iPhone unlocked to use 2.0 will make it worth more than iphones still using 1.1.4 unlocked.

This is a good day for first gen iphones!

[Tallest Skil]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

We care about Apple. AT&T can go bankrupt for all we care. If the telecoms want to restrict Internet access, then they can burn in the special hell. The one reserved for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

[Analog Kid]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!
Hooray for the people who have made it possible for Apple to sell me a phone and AT&T to gain my service contract because now I can also use it when I travel overseas!

Whoo!

[wetrix]

The new 3G only works under 3G networks.

Is this true? I thought the 3G iPhone reverted to EDGE/GPRS when 3G coverage isn't available.

[Tallest Skil]

Is this true? I thought the 3G iPhone reverted to EDGE/GPRS when 3G coverage isn't available.

You're right. What sense would there be in it not working in 80% of the U.S.?

[cazlar]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Aargh, not this argument again. Unlocking phones is not illegal in most countries, and in many it is a requirement of the carriers that they give an unlock (perhaps after x months or so). As soon as I bought the hardware, it is mine to do whatever I like with. Apple may not like it, but whatever. They still got my money. For my part, by choosing to not go the contract route, I lost out on warranty support, but that again is my choice!

As for stupid laws (again, unlocking is not illegal!), sometimes they are stupid, and should be ignored or challenged. Speeding is not such a law, as you endanger others as well as yourslef. On the other hand, until recently it was technically illegal to rip a CD into iTunes in Australia (or any mp3 file). There was no "fair use" clause like in the US. Obviously this law was silly, and never actually enforced. So many people were doing it, and after years of this, they've finally changed the law to match reality and community standards. Laws are there to protect society and should be malleable over time, not rigid rules that must always be obeyed no matter what.

[minik]

ouch! That's sucks.

[rjohnstone]

I'm not worried about the value of my old iphone selling on ebay. The new 3G only works under 3G networks. The old iPhone unlocked to use 2.0 will make it worth more than iphones still using 1.1.4 unlocked.

This is a good day for first gen iphones!
You must be new... 3G iPhones will still work on EDGE networks if a 3G tower is not available. ;)

[Krizoitz]

Aargh, not this argument again. Unlocking phones is not illegal in most countries, and in many it is a requirement of the carriers that they give an unlock (perhaps after x months or so). As soon as I bought the hardware, it is mine to do whatever I like with. Apple may not like it, but whatever. They still got my money. For my part, by choosing to not go the contract route, I lost out on warranty support, but that again is my choice!

As for stupid laws (again, unlocking is not illegal!), sometimes they are stupid, and should be ignored or challenged. Speeding is not such a law, as you endanger others as well as yourslef. On the other hand, until recently it was technically illegal to rip a CD into iTunes in Australia (or any mp3 file). There was no "fair use" clause like in the US. Obviously this law was silly, and never actually enforced. So many people were doing it, and after years of this, they've finally changed the law to match reality and community standards. Laws are there to protect society and should be malleable over time, not rigid rules that must always be obeyed no matter what.

Unlocking a RELEASED product may be legal, but jailbreaking the phone is questionable, and BOTH are illegal when you are talking about pre-release software. If these guys had hacked the 2.0 firmware post release, fine. But they didn't. They violated the NDA's and agreements they signed with Apple that allowed them to use the pre-release software and hacked it. They broke a contract, they broke the law. They aren't heroes, they are lawless hackers. Whatever noble intentions they may have had, this doesn't even come close to meeting the level of a law that is wrong and should be broken. It would be nice if people actually, you know supported LEGAL activities instead of championing illegal ones.

[Tallest Skil]

...jailbreaking the phone is questionable...

How so?

If these guys had hacked the 2.0 firmware post release, fine. But they didn't. They violated the NDA's and agreements they signed with Apple that allowed them to use the pre-release software and hacked it.

It's out in about half of the world now. The NDA is over because the software is available.

They broke a contract, they broke the law.

Tell that to the Hackintosh crowd. It's still uncertain whether you can legally enforce an EULA. (a EULA? Depends on if you pronounce it by spelling or "Uu-la")

It would be nice if people actually, you know supported LEGAL activities instead of championing illegal ones.

In sseveral dozen countries, locking a phone to one carrier is ILLEGAL. In the United States, it is expressly LEGAL to unlock a phone from a carrier.

[cazlar]

They violated the NDA's and agreements they signed with Apple that allowed them to use the pre-release software and hacked it. They broke a contract, they broke the law.

You're assuming the dev team are part of the dev program and signed those NDAs. I have no idea if they were or not, but it is equally likely they downloaded it off the pirate bay or were passed it by someone else. And I'll admit that itself may be illegal as I assume it is copywrited material, but they may never had a "contract" with Apple.

Now at some point, someone did break an NDA to leak the firmware, but I'm just saying it may not have been them.

[bushido]

i hope itll work on the iPhone 3G but i'm kinda scared to use it. Really want my mobilescrobbler back tho and it isnt even illegal to do it jeeze stop crying like a baby. What sense does it make to complain about it if apple doesnt allow those apps anyway so its not like they lose money on it or anything

oh and to the guy above, we have no speed limit on the highway here and im still alive

[a104375]

can't wait for remote.app :D

me too im hoping to find a link to the software update on itunes to get the 2.0 firmware for my iPod Touch

[asskick3r]

Wow... apple got showed up again.
But before I restore and update I want to see a 2.0 Jailbreak method that won't screw up the mail app.
So I'm waiting with glorious jail broken 1.1.4 until then.

[djellison]

It would be nice if people actually, you know supported LEGAL activities instead of championing illegal ones.

In some countries - it's illegal to not sell a phone unlocked. So - are you championing the potentially illegal activities of Apple? Forcing people to use a cell-phone provider that may have poor coverage in their area, or almost certainly artificially inflated prices on this handset alone, is at best money grabbing, and at worst, anti-competitive.

[mavis]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!
You know, if Apple wasn't so damn insistent on forcing everyone's iPhones to look the same, I wouldn't even think about JB'ing. Not with the App Store and all. But since I happen to think it's ASININE to have a black smudge and fingerprint showing wallpaper on a touchscreen device, and since I don't particularly like Apple's default icons, YOU BET I'm going to jailbreak.

'The iWay or the highway' ... it's getting rather old. Kudos to the Dev Team for their hard work!

[ChrisA]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Law? You mean there is a law passed some place that says what I can do with a phone I buy? Gee, I'm glad I don't live there, where ever "there" is. What next a law says that I can't place the iPhone in a blender?

[GekkePrutser]

I'm not worried about the value of my old iphone selling on ebay. The new 3G only works under 3G networks.

No, the 3G iPhone can do 2G (GSM) as well. You can even turn the 3G feature off to save battery life. (Edit: Sorry I only saw now that someone else had already pointed that out)

[rjohnstone]

They broke a contract, they broke the law.
Tell me what law they broke?
Breaking a contract is not illegal.
There may be some civil penalties, but not criminal. You cannot be sent to jail for it.
And here in the US, you have the legal right under the DMCA to have your phone unlocked.

So get off your high horse and join reality.

[daneoni]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Seriously...are you two for real?

[severe]

Is this true? I thought the 3G iPhone reverted to EDGE/GPRS when 3G coverage isn't available.

You're right. What sense would there be in it not working in 80% of the U.S.?

As a matter of fact, 3G is toggled on/off as you wish. And good thing, from what I understand it uses quite a bit of battery life.

[RubberShoes]

Look reguardless of this user agreement or that law overall all this team did was unlock and jailbreak an OS running on a phone, giving people the freedom to do what they want.

It's our money that goes to purchasing these products and giving us the freedom to do what we want with those, I give all props to the Dev Team and any other group or single person who can give me that freedom to choose what carrier and programs to run on my phone.

So thank you, and for the others who think I'm a arrogant idiot think whatever you want, the fact you're judging me over my opinion on a phone OS is pretty pathetic...

[bushido]

Look reguardless of this user agreement or that law overall all this team did was unlock and jailbreak an OS running on a phone, giving people the freedom to do what they want.

It's our money that goes to purchasing these products and giving us the freedom to do what we want with those, I give all props to the Dev Team and any other group or single person who can give me that freedom to choose what carrier and programs to run on my phone.

So thank you, and for the others who think I'm a arrogant idiot think whatever you want, the fact you're judging me over my opinion on a phone OS is pretty pathetic...

agree, they should be nominated for a award actually ^^ and the devteam doesnt even take donations so ......................

[QCassidy352]

Indeed - it's illegal to distribute a phone without making it available unlocked in many countries - it's a monopolistic practice.

Doug

Ridiculous. You need to familiarize yourself with the real meaning of "monopoly."

[Krizoitz]

Tell me what law they broke?
Breaking a contract is not illegal.
There may be some civil penalties, but not criminal. You cannot be sent to jail for it.
And here in the US, you have the legal right under the DMCA to have your phone unlocked.

So get off your high horse and join reality.

Get off YOUR high horse, take a reading lesson and then comeback. I did not say unlocking the phone was the problem. I said violating the contract and/or stealing the software was illegal.

Either they broke their contract (which would be breaking a LEGAL agreement, hence illegal) or they copied the software from somewhere not Apple, which is also illegal.

I don't care one iota what they do with the software after its released since, as has been pointed out, there is nothing illegal about unlocking the phone from the carrier (jailbreaking is related, but since its not used solely for unlocking the phone but also circumventing non-carrier locking functions, it MIGHT be illegal, as i said its questionable). I don't care if you hack your phone to your hearts content. You bought it, do whatever the heck you want with it. My SOLE problem here is that they engaged in illegal activities to get to where they wanted to be.

Some seem to be arguing that its ok because the end result is good. Thats a slippery slope to go down.

Other's are claiming that Apple is breaking the law by having the phone locked in some countries, just because thats illegal in other countries. NEWSFLASH as long as they don't sell the phone LOCKED in a coutnry where thats illegal they aren't breaking the law.

It never ceases to amaze me how people are more and more willing to throw aside the law when its inconvenient to them over such mundane things as a PHONE. This isn't a life or death device, you don't have a RIGHT to have it, yet these guys who break the law to get around the security Apple puts in place are treated like Robin Hood? Hardly. They could have waited and hacked it after it was legal to do so, but they didn't. They had to fan their own ego's by getting it done by launch day (or before). You want to cheer for them or reward them for that? Thats a pretty sad commentary on society. You want to cheer for someone who broke a bad law? Mandela, Gandhi, those are the hero's. These guys? Yeah not so much.

[Tallest Skil]

Either they broke their contract (which would be breaking a LEGAL agreement, hence illegal) or they copied the software from somewhere not Apple, which is also illegal.

Again, 2.0 is out in half of the world. They did not break the NDA to do this. 2.0 is also downloadable from the Apple server. If they had prerelease software, the Dev Team got it as beta from Apple.

[Jheff!]

I'm jbing for customize and the like…

[jacktiernan]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Old guy is old.

Your argument is stupid and irrational. Driving 100 on the freeway causes clear harm to yourself and others. Jailbreaking an iphone? Not so much.

What the hell are you doing in a thread about iphone 2.0 jailbreaking anyway?
Leave us the hell alone if you think what we are doing goes against your stellar moral compass.

Oh, and by the way... see those great apps in the app store? A hell of a lot of those wouldnt exist if it weren't for Jailbreak and Installer.app.

Sheesh. Go Dev Team.

[FullGaz]

You want to cheer for someone who broke a bad law? Mandela, Gandhi, those are the hero's. These guys? Yeah not so much.
So, you're also making a judgement call as to which laws are good or bad. And who are you to do that? The fact is that this is going to be a very useful tool for people who live in countries that don't get the iPhone. Bottom line: you still have to pay for the phone (Apple get its share) and you still have to find an operator to use it (operators get their share).
The NDE wasn't really broken either, IMO. The DevTeam did say that they hacked the firmware, but their work is not bound by NDE. They didn't leak the firmware or any part of the SDK, they didn't give specific details as to what are the security measures and their implementation in the betas etc.
Pretty souls, please chill out. I'm sure no Steve was hurt in the making of this hack :D
Dude, relax, enjoy.

[mac 2005]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Agreed! And I'll raise the question again: Why does this site condone violating the EULA to "jailbreak" an iPhone but won't allow conversation of running OS X on an x86 processor.

What's the difference?

[JBaker122586]

Uh, can I point something out to everyone.

2.0 DOES NOT EQUAL iPhone 3G.

iPhone 2.0 software for the regular iPhone has been unlocked. You can't yet unlock a 3G iPhone.

[Snide]

iPhone 2.0 software for the regular iPhone has been unlocked. You can't yet unlock a 3G iPhone.

Really? Please expound, if you would be so kind.

[Transeau]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Lol... Just 100? This is L.A. Baby! 100 is the flow of traffic.

Get over it. Do you really think this is going to hurt Apple? No. Will it hurt AT&T? Maybe. But when our country is in a depression and a company like AT&T reports record profits.... F Them.

[bytethese]

Get off YOUR high horse, take a reading lesson and then comeback. I did not say unlocking the phone was the problem. I said violating the contract and/or stealing the software was illegal.

Either they broke their contract (which would be breaking a LEGAL agreement, hence illegal) or they copied the software from somewhere not Apple, which is also illegal.



In the words of Inigo Montoya, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Illegal means violation of law. A contract is not law, it is that, a contract. As such, you cannot be arrested for violating it. Can the other party sue for grounds of violation of contract? Absolutely, but violating a contract or EULA is not the same as violation of law. With that said, if a certain party did not pay someone who sells a software product, then that is stealing and as such, violation of local intellectual property law.

Man, I have been working with attorneys for WAY too long. :)

[eddiebrock]

Either they broke their contract (which would be breaking a LEGAL agreement, hence illegal) or they copied the software from somewhere not Apple, which is also illegal.

You do realize that they downloaded the firmware from apple's own server, right? And none of these guys work for apple.

Secondly they have been beta testing the firmware/software for months which Apple has allowed all testers to do.

Lastly, there was an article on the Internet about Pandora that had this quote:

"Conrad added that Apple gave Pandora something of a head start by suggesting late last year that Pandora develop apps for a jail-broken version of the phone before the SDK was released to developers."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2325281,00.asp

Apple ENCOURAGED its developers to use the jailbroken phones as a testing ground for their software! So basically without the dev team and the hacking community, Apple wouldn't have ever gotten the concept or the idea for the App Store.

Now can you please go home????

[Transeau]

Either they broke their contract (which would be breaking a LEGAL agreement, hence illegal) or they copied the software from somewhere not Apple, which is also illegal.

Hahahaha I KNEW that there was SOMEONE out there that actually buys a new copy of Windows when he replaces a dead hard drive in his PC. New hardware requires new Windows... and he doesn't wanna break the law.

[liquidh2o]

hopefully 2.0 for the touch isn't too far behind!

[matticus008]

Breaking a contract is not illegal.
It most certainly is.

And here in the US, you have the legal right under the DMCA to have your phone unlocked.
Yes, absolutely, so long as all the steps along the way are legal, which is why the Dev Team puts so much effort into trying to get it right with each of their releases.
New hardware requires new Windows... and he doesn't wanna break the law.
No it doesn't.

[FaustArp]

can't wait for remote.app :D

did you ever try out remote buddy with the first iphone? i used it alot on my mac mini and it came in handy alot. :)

[wildmilne]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

haha, right, there's no one with jailbroken iphone, just bricks out there.

[burtx]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Wow, that's just ignorant.

Nobody is advocating steeling anything. Everyone is using a product that they bought. It's not like downloading a cracked version of some software. I use AT&T but I still need an unlocked phone for when I travel internationally. I have different SIM cards for different countries. Even if I didn't have AT&T I wouldn't have a problem with unlocking it. Comparing unlocking a product you paid for and endangering other peoples lives by speeding is simply ridiculous.

[Krizoitz]

Old guy is old.

Your argument is stupid and irrational. Driving 100 on the freeway causes clear harm to yourself and others. Jailbreaking an iphone? Not so much.

What the hell are you doing in a thread about iphone 2.0 jailbreaking anyway?
Leave us the hell alone if you think what we are doing goes against your stellar moral compass.

Oh, and by the way... see those great apps in the app store? A hell of a lot of those wouldnt exist if it weren't for Jailbreak and Installer.app.

Sheesh. Go Dev Team.

Glad to see you can't argue the point, just attack the person.

Also glad to see you aren't interested in dissenting opinions just hearing the same things over and over.

Why did I post in a thread about the jailbreaking? Because my comment is ABOUT jailbreaking. If you aren't mature enough to understand the idea of debate and disagreement maybe you should be the one who leaves.

[(L)]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Uhh, just because Apple teamed up with AT&T doesn't mean that all customers should "appreciate the hard work" AT&T put into their really poor customer satisfaction.

What's more, the iPhone is fully, FULLY capable of beginning to replace telephones completely, if it would just do VoIP. WHY isn't Skype on the iPhone?

[dragonaut]

hello from newbie :)

actually, the iphone software should be covered by the digital millennium copyright act (it also covers software, not just dvd's), thus making it illegal to jailbreak and unlock:

`(A) to `circumvent a technological measure' means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner;


http://thomas.loc.gov/

[MojoWill]

Uhh, just because Apple teamed up with AT&T doesn't mean that all customers should "appreciate the hard work" AT&T put into their really poor customer satisfaction.

What's more, the iPhone is fully, FULLY capable of beginning to replace telephones completely, if it would just do VoIP. WHY isn't Skype on the iPhone?

the trouble with the whole everyone hates at&t isnt at&t it's people warped expectations, people don't want to pay this or that.

at&t had to work hard to get apple to choose them!

oh and no skype on iPhone does stink ill agree with you on that!

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Hooray for people that can't stand other people that don't think like they do or have differing opinions about subjects and feel the need to label them with derogatory terms like criminals instead of simply sharing your opinion on the matter.

[shadowfax]

hello from newbie :)

actually, the iphone software should be covered by the digital millennium copyright act (it also covers software, not just dvd's), thus making it illegal to jailbreak and unlock:

http://thomas.loc.gov/

Check out this specific exemption that has been known about for awhile now. (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061124-8280.html)

Of course, hacking the software for other purposes is not expressly covered by these exception, and jailbreaking is certainly illegal under the DMCA.

For my own part, I am looking forward to the unlock. My brother lives in Europe, and I'm going to give him my old iPhone when I get my iPhone 3G. He said he would be OK with using it as an iPod Touch, but he wants to unlock it if possible. I have to say, why AT&T refuses to legitimately unlock my iPhone, which they didn't subsidize, when I filled my contract up to this point and will have changed phones under legitimate rules to a new iPhone 3G, making them even more money, is beyond me.

And that's why the DMCA legalizes cell phone unlocking--unexpected, mediocre consumer protection. So, Go iPhoneDevTeam.

[iDarbert]

Unlocking and Jailbreaking is not against the law.

:rolleyes:
Well, Jailbreaking technically is :D

[shigzeo]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

i really don't know anyone who goes slower than 100 on the express. it is against the law to go less than 60 or 80 in places so, what is the point? or did you mean another denomination by 100?

[JBaker122586]

Really? Please expound, if you would be so kind.

Sorry this is way late.
But the iPhone 3G uses different hardware (a different radio with different basebands and such)... as well as a slightly different firmware than the old iPhone.

I'm not saying it won't happen soon, but you can't unlock your iPhone 3g (as far as I know) yet.

[shadowfax]

i really don't know anyone who goes slower than 100 on the express. it is against the law to go less than 60 or 80 in places so, what is the point? or did you mean another denomination by 100?

he meant mph... 100 mph = 161 kph.

[stracky]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

wouldnt it only be illegal if you make a profit from it, if the guys behind this were trying to profit from it then im sure it would be illegal, but otherwise..... if i jailbreak/unlock my apple product at worst i am voiding my warranty. and seriously if there was a strong enough legal case to support your view, apple would have pursued it. once you buy the product its yours.

if you buy a car and decided to pull out the motor and put in a new one your not a criminal, nor are you breaking the law.

in any case, everyone here loves apple products, some people just want to adjust/tweak/modify their product which is their right. alot of knowledge comes from this which im sure apple itself shares in and benefits from. jailbreaking is done to enhance the product, why would you have a problem with that?

[i.maverick]

okay.. my submission made it somewhere...yay!!
now.. for those of you who think why unlocking now is required, it is for those who have gen 1 phones and are still in unsupported countries. Also, so many of the installer apps which were free (maybe they won't be so now) were so incredible and which won't be available in the app store. like customize and summerboard. I don't know how I'll be able to live without personalizing my phone. every iPhone would look the same if you can't put themes on them.
:cool:

also, to the guy who said why we jailbreaked it in the first place, it is probably because of us that you are getting the app store. just chill.

also, I'm waiting for raging thunder to show up on the app store.
:)

[shadowfax]

wouldnt it only be illegal if you make a profit from it, if the guys behind this were trying to profit from it then im sure it would be illegal, but otherwise..... if i jailbreak/unlock my apple product at worst i am voiding my warranty. and seriously if there was a strong enough legal case to support your view, apple would have pursued it. once you buy the product its yours.

if you buy a car and decided to pull out the motor and put in a new one your not a criminal, nor are you breaking the law.

in any case, everyone here loves apple products, some people just want to adjust/tweak/modify their product which is their right. alot of knowledge comes from this which im sure apple itself shares in and benefits from. jailbreaking is done to enhance the product, why would you have a problem with that?

I don't disagree with your willingness to jailbreak, etc.--my iphone was jailbroken until 2.0. However, just for the record, let me reiterate that profit has little or nothing to do with the DMCA. I believe it may touch on some aspects of it, but circumventing encryption, I believe, is simply disallowed. The DMCA doesn't apply to car motors, so your analogy doesn't hold at all.

I hope you can see how if someone is a legalist, they will have a problem with jailbreaking. Legalists also would have had a problem with the colonies' break from England in 1776. That's alright, legalists are useful in some ways, right? I think there's room for lots of different perspectives. Remember, these guys can condemn jailbreaking as much as they want, and wish ill to all unlockers and jailbreakers. It doesn't matter, they can't stop you.

Again, your view on all this depends on your perspective on the law's authority over you, particularly IP laws such as the DMCA. In some ways this argument is much like arguments over abortion and stem cell research--there is very little to argue about, and your position will be based more on your own worldview/perspective/philosophy than whether any one argument proves that something is 'good' or 'OK' or whatever.

This seems obvious enough from the repetitiveness of this whole argument. I haven't heard anything new since the first thread I read on this issue, and it seems rather silly to continue a discussion which is either redundant or puckered with ad hominems.

[memesmith]

Legalists also would have had a problem with the colonies' break from England in 1776. That's alright, legalists are useful in some ways, right?

Yay! About time somebody spoke up in defense of terrorism in the name of the greater good!:D

[jazz4ivo]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Well dear Apple fanboy,

The reason why people want to unlock their iPhones is because they will not be told by Apple which network they should use! Imagine buying a brand new Toyota Hybrid "break-thru" car and Toyota saying to you: "Sorry sir but you can only use your nice new car on this one freeway (motorway) that we've chosen for you." What a load of c**p!

The reason there are unlocking tools is because Apple created the demand by locking the iPhone. If you are happy to get ripped off by AT&T, Rogers or Telia on 18,24 or even 36 month contracts then go a head! I would gladly buy the iPhone at FULL price (i.e. unsubsidized) and unlock it to use on say the 3Hutchinson network which gives me 500 or 750 free anytime minutes for $50 and Unlimited data plans from as low as $5-10 a month.

Apple is stifling competition by limiting the carriers to 1 per territory but sooner or later they will learn that the mobile phone market does not work like that!

[adubsounds]

so how long do you guys reckon before the new 3g phone is unlocked?

[Aries326]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Awww... Poor big companies... If you don't like the idea of unlocking the iPhone, then why even bother hanging out in this thread???

[ihabime]

Agreed! And I'll raise the question again: Why does this site condone violating the EULA to "jailbreak" an iPhone but won't allow conversation of running OS X on an x86 processor.

What's the difference?

As far as I can tell there's no ban on talking on talking about OSX86 here, there are several threads about it and it gets mentioned all the time in others, even in peoples sigs.

The only thing close that I can find in the rules is :
Warez/Serials/Keys. Do not post software serial numbers or keys or refer people to specific websites or software whose purpose is to break or bypass software licensing methods, distribute cracks, or obtain or use commercial software or media in violation of its license and/or for copyright violation. Do not ask for or give such help.

But that is about downloading illegal software/posting serials. The iPhone 2.0 software is on a publicly available Apple server, which muddies the waters a bit. Apple has never told people not to DL it from there and it has left it open to the public. Notice that this is not the case with the january update or the iPod Touch 2.0 firmware, those are paid updates.

The jailbreak community, for the most part, only tells you how to open up a product that you have already own, it doesn't distribute software owned by Apple.

What is banned here is talking about where to DL hacked copies of Apple software, such as the pre-hacked versions of OSX.

[harcosparky]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

I do have a problem with :apple: locking the phone to a single provider.

OK I understand that only one provider would submit to :apple: demands.

Why couldn't :apple: just build the phone and sell it to anyone who wanted it?

:apple: would sell more phones over the counter..... oh but wait ..... without agreements with all providers, :apple: could not collect those monthly kickback fees.

[harcosparky]

at&t had to work hard to get apple to choose them!




Yeah AT&T was the only company that caved in to Apple's extortion like demands! :D

[jazz4ivo]

so how long do you guys reckon before the new 3g phone is unlocked?

It's already been done... it's all over google.com, engaged etc...

[adubsounds]

It's already been done... it's all over google.com, engaged etc...

i've seen that 2.0 has been unlocked, but ive seen nothing on the new 3g phone?

Can anyone confirm for me?

[Compile 'em all]

I'm impressed at the speed with which they've jailbroken it, but without a lot of beta testers (documented attempts), it's possibly worth some wait to see how things shape up.

There was no speed involved. Apple has been seeding betas for months now. 2.0 was jailbroken/unlocked like months ago. The dev team won't release the unlock until Apple officially releases 2.0.

[Otaviano]

Rather sad to see all the fan boys coming out in numbers to attack people that unlock their device. With the new iPhone 3G, I could understand there being an issue with unlocking as it is subsidized. However Apple got really greedy with the first iPhone. I paid the full price of the phone and will use it on any network I feel like. This sheep like mentality is the reason all these big corporation screw us over and take advantage of us on a daily basis.

[rjflyn]

Looks like I called this one a few days ago http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=512389

RJ

[Topper82]

Gizmodo is reporting that 2.0 is officially available through iTunes update. Has anyone been able to update their 1st Gen to 2.0 through iTunes??? iTunes is telling me 1.1.4 is still current...:confused:

[rosshire]

to all you ignorant little boys and girls who are worried about apple and those "evil" hackers who are breaking the law.

I can see that not too much thought is going on, so i will help you.

Maybe you dont realize that it was those hackers who made it possible for ALOT of people around the world (including myself) to have an iphone and experience it which made the phone such an a massive success.

the other thing which may have not realized is that since the first gen iphone around 80% of the people I know would never have bought an iphone if it weren't for the huge number of third party apps which were made possible by those "evil" hackers.

infact that was probably the reason that forced Apple to change its approach after initailly not allowing anyone access to its API "officially".

so in summary the "evil" hackers were the accelerant in the success of the iphone, if only you had a little more intellegence to realize it.

[jazz4ivo]

Is this true? I thought the 3G iPhone reverted to EDGE/GPRS when 3G coverage isn't available.

This is rubbish! The iPhone 3G works on both EDGE and 3G. If 3G is not available it reverts to EDGE as it supports dual mode!

[(L)]

the trouble with the whole everyone hates at&t isnt at&t it's people warped expectations, people don't want to pay this or that.

at&t had to work hard to get apple to choose them!

oh and no skype on iPhone does stink ill agree with you on that!

Warped expectations are sometimes a problem, but AT&T's service is simply overpriced. At least, where I come from, I'm used to a fraction of that price, and get better service. Anyway, jailbreaking for the customers to be free of AT&T's death-grip (and use Skype or such) is something I would support, though I don't do it myself, since AT&T frankly did not make the iPhone, what claim do they have to what people do with it?

[bigmc6000]

The only way jailbreaking is going to take off like it did with the original iPhone is if it still works with all the Apps available - end of story. That's wonderful they broke it for all those international travelers but unless it works with the App store there's not a chance in the world I'd ever even consider it...

[PMB]

i knew it would not be long! app store and installer, what could be better

[tucker101uk]

You must be new... 3G iPhones will still work on EDGE networks if a 3G tower is not available. ;)

erm.... no it wont.

You're phone will revert to 2g and use EDGE, making it about as useful as a ....ah hum.... 1st gen iphone... :-)

[Tallest Skil]

erm.... no it wont.

You're phone will revert to 2g and use EDGE, making it about as useful as a ....ah hum.... 1st gen iphone... :-)

He's not saying that 3G will work. He's saying that data will work.

[Joshts01]

Hey. Just wondering how much the 3G Iphone will actually cost un the US. cant seem to find it anywhere.

Josh

[Xenn0X]

the 2.0 iphone firmware which is on itunes now is diffrent from the yesterday "leaked" version.

leaked:
iPhone1,2_2.0_5A347_Restore.ipsw
size: 225 mb

itunes version:
iPhone1,1_2.0_5A347_Restore.ipsw
size: 218.2 mb

so what did apple do?:rolleyes:

[Tallest Skil]

Hey. Just wondering how much the 3G Iphone will actually cost un the US. cant seem to find it anywhere.

Josh

Come ON. (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp)

[DarthTreydor]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Steve? is that you?

[andybno1]

I been doing a little more reading on this and I think basically the link is to the blog of the pwnagetool dev's so yeh I'm more excited now

[Topper82]

the 2.0 iphone firmware which is on itunes now is diffrent from the yesterday "leaked" version.

leaked:
iPhone1,2_2.0_5A347_Restore.ipsw
size: 225 mb

itunes version:
iPhone1,1_2.0_5A347_Restore.ipsw
size: 218.2 mb

so what did apple do?:rolleyes:


1,2 is probably the firmware that is loaded on the 3G. Probably why 1st Gens are having so much trouble running it...

[bigmc6000]

1,2 is probably the firmware that is loaded on the 3G. Probably why 1st Gens are having so much trouble running it...

idk, I haven't had a single problem with mine. Loving the apps! :)

[BenRoethig]

Tell me again, what is the point of jailbreaking 2.0? We now have official apps, its available in most countries and with some through multiple carriers, and T-Mobile in the states is even worse than AT&T. Its not like you can take your iPhone to verizon or Sprint.

[Tallest Skil]

Tell me again, what is the point of jailbreaking 2.0? We now have official apps, its available in most countries and with some through multiple carriers, and T-Mobile in the states is even worse than AT&T. Its not like you can take your iPhone to verizon or Sprint.

To get apps that Apple disallows.

[Otaviano]

Tell me again, what is the point of jailbreaking 2.0? We now have official apps, its available in most countries and with some through multiple carriers, and T-Mobile in the states is even worse than AT&T. Its not like you can take your iPhone to verizon or Sprint.

To pick your own phone carrier, and not let Apple dictate it for you. To not get screwed into these ridiculous plans that are being tied to the iPhone. To be able to travel and insert any random SIM card and make calls.

[Tallest Skil]

To pick your own phone carrier, and not let Apple dictate it for you. To not get screwed into these ridiculous plans that are being tied to the iPhone. To be able to travel and insert any random SIM card and make calls.

Jailbreaking, not unlocking, friend.

[gusanitoverde]

I found a thread in Apple Discussions that quotes the following...

"(lappygirl-forum user): I didn't really let it time out...I asked Ashely (Apple Support) if I should just let it go (trying to sync the iphone after 2.0 installation) and recheck in an hour and she said NO. Click back and forth between the iphone and Music in the iTunes list (left bar of the application) until it works. Mine took 10 minutes. After it finally accessed iTunes, it has to resynch. THEN it adds the apps. It is 11:13am EST and I STARTED downloading 2.0 shortly after 8:30 am EST. I have just disconnected the phone and it is fine. I had to change the time, because it put me in a different time zone, but that was it. "

The thread is located at:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1594716&tstart=0

This is so far the only suggested fix I've found so far. My iphone is still disabled.

[Otaviano]

Jailbreaking, not unlocking, friend.

Can't have one without the other.

[bytethese]

Can't have one without the other.

Mostly true. You can Jailbreak without Unlocking, but you can't Unlock without Jailbreaking. :)

[slughead]

Wow... apple got showed up again.
But before I restore and update I want to see a 2.0 Jailbreak method that won't screw up the mail app.
So I'm waiting with glorious jail broken 1.1.4 until then.

my mail.app doesn't work worth a crap anyway.. here's to defying Jobs' will!

[a9f4]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff.

Criminals? I paid for this piece of hardware. Nobody should have the right to tell me what to do with it if I want to hack it to make it better. It's not like I'm asking for support.

Also, 'intellectual property (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_intellectual_property)' shouldn't exist, and jailbreaking isn't against the law.

[RubberShoes]

To pick your own phone carrier, and not let Apple dictate it for you. To not get screwed into these ridiculous plans that are being tied to the iPhone. To be able to travel and insert any random SIM card and make calls.

Or if you're on T-mobile with your family and can't really go over to ATT

Besides, 10 bucks a month for unlimited text and 6 for T-Zones combined w/ the T-zones hack for unlimited data costs how much? 16 bucks! I'm sorry how much is that on ATT's? did I hear 40? And if you're on 3G you're paying 50 bucks a month for all that!

Ok yes I know T-Mobile's 3G is incompatible but for $34 less a month I'm willing to sacrifice that...

[TxRx]

Mostly true. You can Jailbreak without Unlocking, but you can't Unlock without Jailbreaking. :)

Maybe there's something I don't know, but I can't think of anyone that offers one without the other. Am I wrong?

Speaking of things I don't know, is the Pwnage tool for 2.0 available yet??

[Neobond]

From the Dev Team blog:

UPDATE: So guys, the out of the box tests on retail hardware are great. Everything works as we anticipated. This is great news, seriously. No riddles or jokes or cryptic messages now, watch this space.

Hopefully pwnage comes out soon, I wanna try push with MobileMe.

[Snide]

Tell me again, what is the point of jailbreaking 2.0? We now have official apps, its available in most countries and with some through multiple carriers, and T-Mobile in the states is even worse than AT&T. Its not like you can take your iPhone to verizon or Sprint.

I'm not going to be giving up Customize app anytime soon, for one...

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/419/img9038ed7.jpg http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3747/img9034fp1.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/6935/img9036ij5.jpg

(charging screen with beer mug that fills up, home screen with Leopard dock, power-off screen)

[i.maverick]

2.0 on iPhone 3g also jailbroken and unlocked.
maybe i will buy 1 after all!!
:D

[Romanesq]

There goes the resale value of my current/old iPhone...

:(

I sold mine the other day and am feeling naked. Hunting, hunting 3g.
But still there will not be all these unlocked phones around in 3g as they will be on 2 year contracts unless the termination fees are paid. Then that would add to the cost of a 3g resale.

You should be alright for a little while longer. I got $340 for mine on Wed. Prices should be holding I'd think as no one can walk into a store and buy 6 unactivated 3g phones.

[TxRx]

From the Dev Team blog:

UPDATE: So guys, the out of the box tests on retail hardware are great. Everything works as we anticipated. This is great news, seriously. No riddles or jokes or cryptic messages now, watch this space.

Hopefully pwnage comes out soon, I wanna try push with MobileMe.

Thanks for the update!

[Prometheus2000]

The one reserved for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

Like your line from Firefly, my favorite... :)

[flipto]

Great News! :D

http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/attachments/news/63051d1215801451-2-0-jailbreak-success-3g-iphone-iphone-3g.png

[gkhaldi]

Same day I paid 1000$ in Belgium, it get's hacked. Should've waited 'till was in the states....tomorrow :-(

3 cheers to the development team. Hats off and bow !

[plasticmoz]

Mostly true. You can Jailbreak without Unlocking, but you can't Unlock without Jailbreaking. :)

What about people who are existing ATT customers but not iphone plan owners -- can you bypass activation without Jailbreaking or unlocking and just use your ATT SIM?

[Van Wildonher]

Not gonna be released this weekend. Hopefully before the 20th when I get mine!

[corywoolf]

They aren't heroes, they are lawless hackers. Whatever noble intentions they may have had, this doesn't even come close to meeting the level of a law that is wrong and should be broken.

Somebody call the whambulance!

http://t4toby.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/whambulance.jpg ;)

[nash.d]

Hi everyone

I have a 1.1.2 OTB iphone, which I had jailbroken and soft-updated to 1.1.3 (seems like ages back, right)? I wanted to update to 2.0. I'm with ATT. Do you think I can update right away (I had "hactivated") my phone back then. I'm worried it might get deactivated if I update to 2.0.

Advice?

Thanks,

Nash

[Tallest Skil]

Maybe there's something I don't know, but I can't think of anyone that offers one without the other. Am I wrong?

Speaking of things I don't know, is the Pwnage tool for 2.0 available yet??

ZiPhone lets you just jailbreak. At least it did. Pwnage hasn't been released for 2.0 because Apple hasn't put 2.0 back out there for download yet.

Or maybe they have.... Hey guys, I'm on 1.1.3 and in Indiana. Is 2.0 out there yet? It still says that I should upgrade to 1.1.4. I was under the impression that I didn't need to to be able to get to 2.0. Is that the case, or is 2.0 really not back yet?

[matticus008]

Criminals? I paid for this piece of hardware. Nobody should have the right to tell me what to do with it if I want to hack it to make it better. It's not like I'm asking for support.
If you want to break out your soldering iron and silver pen, you can go for it. But you didn't buy the rights to the software to do as you please, so no, technically you can't jailbreak it, and Apple certainly can tell you what to do with it.

If you want to replace the software with one entirely of your own work, you can do that too. But you don't have any right, legal or otherwise, to do whatever you please with Apple's software (or Adobe's, or Microsoft's, et al.).

The question of jailbreaking as the Dev Team has done is much too complex for a comprehensive lay discussion, but suffice it to say that regardless of the actual legal limits, Apple has chosen not to pursue the matter and instead patches the software to correct the flaws that allow jailbreaking.

Technically speaking, parts of the jailbreaking process are illegal, but the net effect is a positive one for Apple, so they're going to tolerate as long as malicious intent stays out of the equation.
Also, 'intellectual property' shouldn't exist
Oh please. There's not a substantive claim in that mess of an article, and there is no serious debate on the existence or relevance of IP except by irksome Internet people. Certainly not in legal or political arenas, and not even in a significant number of private organizations.

There is exactly zero chance of IP disappearing in the foreseeable future. The US economy, such as it is, is totally dependent on it for survival, as are the jobs of most people on this forum.

[JDOG_]

I'm not going to be giving up Customize app anytime soon, for one...

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/419/img9038ed7.jpg http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3747/img9034fp1.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/6935/img9036ij5.jpg

(charging screen with beer mug that fills up, home screen with Leopard dock, power-off screen)

You sir have MySpace'd up your iPhone. :D

[a9f4]

But you didn't buy the rights to the software to do as you please, so no, technically you can't jailbreak it, and Apple certainly can tell you what to do with it.

If you want to replace the software with one entirely of your own work, you can do that too. But you don't have any right, legal or otherwise, to do whatever you please with Apple's software (or Adobe's, or Microsoft's, et al.).

Wrong. Once I've paid for something, it becomes mine to do with as I please, within the limits of the law - which isn't very clear as it is. I can change the software and reverse-engineer it, I can back it up to external media, and I can (if I choose to remove all traces of it from my computer) re-sell it, all without breaking any law. A EULA isn't a binding contract, and I've agreed to no terms by purchasing a product or installing software.


There is exactly zero chance of IP disappearing in the foreseeable future. The US economy, such as it is, is totally dependent on it for survival, as are the jobs of most people on this forum.

You can hand-wave all you want, I sure don't see any milkmen, blacksmiths, or ice delivery trucks any more. Did they try to sue their customers for buying a refrigerator or car? I'm sure they were upset about being put out of a job by newer tech too, but they had to adapt, or go bankrupt.

Patenting ideas only hurts the world, to the benefit of corporations who want to make money without producing any tangible products. The media would like you to believe otherwise, since they are owned by those same companies (and have obviously convinced you personally of the 'evils' of breaking digital restrictions). You make it sound like you want companies to have the right to put artificial restrictions on things you buy.

I'm sure that each of us on this forum is resourceful enough to see changes coming (like now with digital rights) and be somewhat prepared, or enough at least that we're not taken by complete surprise - how does that happen, that a Detroit auto worker had no idea that the American car industry is dying and all of a sudden is out of a job without any plan?

If the USA's economy is 'totally dependent' on IP for survival, as you say, then it will likely have some rough patches up ahead, because (most of) the rest of the civilized world is beginning to treat file sharing as it should be treated - casual copying that doesn't measurably hurt sales, and in most cases actually helps music/TV/movies/software gain exposure, especially indie stuff.

Reverse engineering and fixing products that are "defective by design", as the saying goes, is an honorable act, to the benefit of each user of that device, and the company that released said device shouldn't have any say over that. We are not here to obey the will of corporations.

On topic: my iPod Touch is running 2.0 happily (the *345 one), but as I reluctantly expected, the apps on offer are mostly crap compared to what's available for the jailbreak community.

[gearsofwar2]

has anyone with an unlocked iphone 1.0 been able to load the 2.0 s/w update?
i just connected mine to my mbp and i was prompted to update the new s/w 2.0 but i didn't because of fear that it may be locked permanently by steve and company...
ANYBODY KNOW SOMETHING?

[Van Wildonher]

No unlocking/jailbreaking system has been released for 2.0 or the iPhone 3G so far.

[empress]

i hope someone can advise! i have an at&t iphone activated sim card and plan that i've been using in the US for the past year. i am currently traveling internationally in countries without iphone plans so i unlocked the iphone using iliberty about a month ago to use local sim cards rather than my at&t sim.

as i'm rather anxious to checkout the new 2.0 software and can be fine going a week or more (until the unlock tool is released) without making or receiving calls on the local sim, i am wanting to update to the 2.0 software and use my at&t sim card with wifi/data roaming off so that i can play with the apps, etc.

i cannot seem to find the iliberty site or any information as to whether or not i can simply upgrade my iphone software to 2.0 through itunes from the unlocked/jailbroken state and it will re-lock and ask to re-activate with my at&t sim card, or if i'm going to end up making the iphone totally unusable with my at&t sim card as well because of the previous unlocking.

any advice or insight would be greatly appreciated.

[aront54]

Unlocking a RELEASED product may be legal, but jailbreaking the phone is questionable, and BOTH are illegal when you are talking about pre-release software. If these guys had hacked the 2.0 firmware post release, fine. But they didn't. They violated the NDA's and agreements they signed with Apple that allowed them to use the pre-release software and hacked it. They broke a contract, they broke the law. They aren't heroes, they are lawless hackers. Whatever noble intentions they may have had, this doesn't even come close to meeting the level of a law that is wrong and should be broken. It would be nice if people actually, you know supported LEGAL activities instead of championing illegal ones.

It is not illegal to break a contract. If it were, our overcrowded jails would be even more crowded. If I break a promise to you am I breaking the law? Of course not! Breaking a contract is a civil matter not a criminal matter. As for violating contract, it is no way clear how jail breaking violates the non disclosure agreement (which is all about releasing information you have privileged knowledge about). The dev team did not release their jail break for the NDA software.

You may not like what they do, but at least make intelligent criticisms to back up your venom. Jumping up and down and shouting "illegal" when it clearly isn't, just makes your arguments sound silly.

[aront54]

has anyone with an unlocked iphone 1.0 been able to load the 2.0 s/w update?
i just connected mine to my mbp and i was prompted to update the new s/w 2.0 but i didn't because of fear that it may be locked permanently by steve and company...
ANYBODY KNOW SOMETHING?

If you unlocked your phone using pwnage you can easily upgrade to 2.0 by ctrl-loading the firmware in iTunes. Works like a charm with no problems. Of course you will no longer be unlocked but you can always revert with pwnage. But please bear this in mind: I did this with a pwnage unlocked phone using 1.1.4. I have no idea about other unlocking methods and I strongly suspect they will not work as well.

BTW I am running yesterdays 2.0 firmware and it works like a charm. And I already encountered activations errors and timeouts yesterday before today's deluge so I suspect their were buggy software issues and not just load issues.

[Van Wildonher]

i hope someone can advise! i have an at&t iphone activated sim card and plan that i've been using in the US for the past year. i am currently traveling internationally in countries without iphone plans so i unlocked the iphone using iliberty about a month ago to use local sim cards rather than my at&t sim.

as i'm rather anxious to checkout the new 2.0 software and can be fine going a week or more (until the unlock tool is released) without making or receiving calls on the local sim, i am wanting to update to the 2.0 software and use my at&t sim card with wifi/data roaming off so that i can play with the apps, etc.

i cannot seem to find the iliberty site or any information as to whether or not i can simply upgrade my iphone software to 2.0 through itunes from the unlocked/jailbroken state and it will re-lock and ask to re-activate with my at&t sim card, or if i'm going to end up making the iphone totally unusable with my at&t sim card as well because of the previous unlocking.

any advice or insight would be greatly appreciated.

Pretty sure you can. Restore with itunes, that should be all it takes.

[Next Tuesday]

Jailbreaking has many pluses. First off, you can get every app for free, not 1.99,9.99 etc..,You can customize your phone(themes, summerboard, icons, sounds, etc..) You can ad so many things to a jailbroken iphone its crazy. I for one am waiting for 2.0 to be jailbroken. Just for example, the monkeyball app, its 9.99 and ive been playing that game on my 1st gen iphone under a different name for months for free.

[matticus008]

It is not illegal to break a contract. If it were, our overcrowded jails would be even more crowded.
The penalty for breaking the law is not always jail.

If it were not illegal to break a contract, no one could sue you for it.
If I break a promise to you am I breaking the law? Of course not! Breaking a contract is a civil matter not a criminal matter.
If you go to court and there is a judgment passed against you, you broke the law. Otherwise, the court has no authority to do anything. You grossly misunderstand the definition of "illegal".
Wrong. Once I've paid for something, it becomes mine to do with as I please, within the limits of the law - which isn't very clear as it is. I can change the software and reverse-engineer it,
No, you cannot reverse engineer it. The limits of the law extend your rights only as far as that which you've purchased--the hardware and the right to use the software. Not the right to prepare derivative works, to redistribute, or to reproduce the software (except under the narrow grounds of backup and performance).
A EULA isn't a binding contract
Yes, it is. No court has ever categorically rejected EULAs. You clearly are not experienced in this field.
Patenting ideas only hurts the world, to the benefit of corporations who want to make money without producing any tangible products.
Patents brought you the computer you're typing this ludicrous assertion on.
I'm sure that each of us on this forum is resourceful enough to see changes coming
Changes happen every day. None of them is a step toward abolishing Intellectual Property law. Each clarification and adjustment strengthens and deepens the field, more closely intertwining it and coming to a common basis.
If the USA's economy is 'totally dependent' on IP for survival, as you say, then it will likely have some rough patches up ahead, because (most of) the rest of the civilized world is beginning to treat file sharing as it should be treated
This is a total non sequitur. The US economy is not dependent on film and music industry copyrights. IP is more than movies and music. The rest of the "civilized world" is just as dependent on IP as the US.

We don't live in an industrial or agrarian society anymore.
Reverse engineering and fixing products that are "defective by design", as the saying goes, is an honorable act
What a load. If you don't like it or the terms it comes with, don't buy it. It's not a moral crusade. You're not feeding children or curing disease. There's nothing wrong with modding and jailbreaking, as long as it respects the law.

[zlonghorn]

Unlocking a RELEASED product may be legal, but jailbreaking the phone is questionable, and BOTH are illegal when you are talking about pre-release software. If these guys had hacked the 2.0 firmware post release, fine. But they didn't. They violated the NDA's and agreements they signed with Apple that allowed them to use the pre-release software and hacked it. They broke a contract, they broke the law. They aren't heroes, they are lawless hackers. Whatever noble intentions they may have had, this doesn't even come close to meeting the level of a law that is wrong and should be broken. It would be nice if people actually, you know supported LEGAL activities instead of championing illegal ones.

I had to create an account specifically to respond to these common misconceptions of the law (and lack of common sense). IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO BREAK A CONTRACT. It is not illegal to break a NDA. It is not illegal to break any agreement signed with Apple, Microsoft, or anyone else. Again, it is NOT against the law to break a contract. If it was against the law, no one would get sued. Think about it. They would be ARRESTED or fined under the criminal justice system. Have you ever, even in passing or fictional works, heard of someone being incarcerated or tried for the crime of breaking a contract? NO. Because such a crime does not exist under ANY modern justice system.

If the Iphone Dev Team broke their NDAs with Apple - that's between them and Apple. It is up to Apple to sue them. That is the remedy. Suing for breach of contract is the remedy BECAUSE it is not a crime and they can't be prosecuted for it. They have assumed a risk, and a risk that is not inherently dangerous. There is no way they can correctly be called criminals and there is no way that what they did can be called illegal.

Just stop for a second and use some common sense. What if you were to break your apartment lease tomorrow? Would that be illegal? NO. You may be LIABLE, but nothing you did is illegal or even immoral in the eyes of the law and society. And yes, centuries of jurisprudence and property rights are more qualified to determine whether something SHOULD be illegal or immoral than you. Would it be illegal for you to not pay your monthly cell phone bill? Your phone contract, after all, is also an agreement. NO. You would be held liable for damages arising from breach of contract.

So, all you haters out there. Understand that legal doctrines, jurisprudence, and centuries of both common law and statutes are smarter than you. Just because you think something should be illegal doesn't mean that it is. You obviously have a severe misunderstanding and/or lack of knowledge regarding agreements, contracts, NDAs, and property rights.

[zlonghorn]

If you go to court and there is a judgment passed against you, you broke the law. Otherwise, the court has no authority to do anything. You grossly misunderstand the definition of "illegal".

Wrong. Absolutely dead wrong. YOU grossly misapplied the principle of legality to any context in which a court has the authority to state something. A court has the authority to pass a child custody judgment for you or against you. Does that mean you broke the law? The court has the power to grant or deny a divorce or annulment? Does that mean you broke the law?

NO. In a civil matter, the court is not (nescessarily) passing a judgment against you because you broke the law. It is - in instances of contract law - simply ruling that you are liable to another party. ANOTHER PARTY. In order for you to "break the law," you would have to violate a specific law. In such instances, we would not have agreements. In contract cases, you violate agreements, not laws. If you violate a law, you pay a fine to the state or an agency or go to jail. Such is not the case in contract law.

[matticus008]

Wrong. Absolutely dead wrong. YOU grossly misapplied the principle of legality to any context in which a court has the authority to state something.
No, not when the judgment is against you. A contract is an agreement bound by law. It is law--any first year contracts course covers this concept.

A court of law has no power to adjudicate questions not arising out of law. Courts of equity are somewhat different, but they no longer exist independently, for the most part, hence your confusion on the following.
A court has the authority to pass a child custody judgment for you or against you. Does that mean you broke the law? The court has the power to grant or deny a divorce or annulment? Does that mean you broke the law?
Those are actions arising in equity, not in law. Still, the only way to have custody taken away from you is by a judgment that you are not fit or are otherwise legally ineligible to be a parent. In the case of marriage dissolution, that is a matter of resolution of property disputes (in which the question of legal title is settled) or is based, in the case of an annulment or a divorce proceeding itself, that the marriage cannot be preserved through legal force.

The resolution of conflicts in equity is not a subject of this thread, and you, like the other poster, are deeply confused.
NO. In a civil matter, the court is not (nescessarily) passing a judgment against you because you broke the law. It is - in instances of contract law - simply ruling that you are liable to another party.
A contract is binding with the force of law. It establishes, modifies, and defines substantive rights, and the court is bound to enforce it except where it conflicts with laws of greater hierarchical status.
If you violate a law, you pay a fine to the state or an agency or go to jail. Such is not the case in contract law.
You seem to be confused about the distinctions between law and equity, and as evidenced here, the distinctions between public and private law.

Tort and contract actions are private law actions, through which only unlawful (i.e., illegal) acts or omissions can result in a judgment. If you did not violate the law, you cannot be held liable.

[hollerz]

I wish EVERY thread about unlocking didn't turn into this :rolleyes:

http://texasholdemblogger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/do-not-feed-the-trolls.jpg

[zlonghorn]

No, not when the judgment is against you. A contract is an agreement bound by law. It is law--any first year contracts course covers this concept.



Well, I hadn't intended to get into equity, that was an example. However, where in first year contracts is a contract held to be analgous with law? Case cite please (and/or statute). It has the FORCE of law, you are correct, and is BOUND by law. HOWEVER, it is NOT law. Find me one case where (aside from a defense to formation of a contract for illegality), a court has ever said that a party's actions were illegal BECAUSE THEY BROKE A CONTRACT. Any one will do, any jurisdiction. I'll give you a hint - doesn't exist. And yeah, I took first year contracts too. Nowhere was it covered that a contract is law. You don't even have to find a case cite. Name any first year contracts textbook that calls a contract "a law."

Laws, by their definition, have to be passed by a body with the authority to do so. Please, tell me WHICH law breaking an NDA with Apple violates. It should be easy enough - you insinuate you've been to law school. Get on lexis or westlaw, should take you 2 minutes to find it. Another hint - if you can't come back with a SPECIFIC law (cite to the specific law, it HAS to be published and passed by a body if it is a law), it is a PRINCIPLE OF CONTRACTS. It is not "illegal" to violate a contract. It is a basis for liability. Which is why courts NEVER hold that a defendant has "broken the law" in violating a contract. Find any case, in the thresholds of American jurisprudence, that hold this. It's a two minute search in westlaw, but doesn't exist. Courts hold that a defendant is "liable for breach of contract." Not breach of any specific law. This should be self-evident to any attorney.

And yes, I do practice transactional law and deal solely with agreements. They are not law, which is why they are agreements. And it's still iffy to say that they have the force of law, but I understand what you're trying to say by that.

[zlonghorn]

Tort and contract actions are private law actions, through which only unlawful (i.e., illegal) acts or omissions can result in a judgment. If you did not violate the law, you cannot be held liable.

Please tell me you are not an attorney, or that you have tremendous malpractice coverage. Which law do I violate when I contract to sell you my car, for adequate consideration, and then breach the contract by selling it to your friend instead. For ease, you can assume that this takes place in any jurisdiction you are familiar with. Please, cite the relevant law. Hint: you're going to throw back a common law PRINCIPLE of contracts. It does NOT presuppose violation of a law, it is a principle under the law of k's.

To end this discussion on my end, this argument broke out of terminology. It is INCORRECT to say that a breaching party in a contract has broken the law. You can't just SAY it does, as no case in American jurisprudence goes so far as to say that. Are you just making up your own rules of guilt. Breaking a law = possibility of prosecution. Violating a contract = liability. Two very, very different concepts. One who is "liable" to someone doesn't "break a law." What law exists to govern jailbreaking iPhones or messing with pre-release software? if it was "illegal" to do so, guess what - NO NEED FOR THE DAMN NDA'S, IS THERE?

[ts1973]

Now that I think of it, Apple didn't fight the EULA with Psystar, which was surprising. So Matticus, it must be that current EULA's are rather difficult to defend, as Apple would surely have gone for it.

As much as I like the legal discussion (I actually learned something, thanks zlonghorn and matticus), can we get back to breaking 2.0 firmware, which I hope is imminent so I can get my cheaper iphone from elsewhere than Belgium ;)

[Van Wildonher]

can we get back to breaking 2.0 firmware, which I hope is imminent so I can get my cheaper iphone from elsewhere than Belgium ;)

+1

[zlonghorn]

can we get back to breaking 2.0 firmware, which I hope is imminent so I can get my cheaper iphone from elsewhere than Belgium ;)

Sorry, get carried away sometimes. Waiting in line at the Apple store all day will hit a few nerves...

9to5mac.com posted this: http://9to5mac.com/iphone_unlocked

I'm just gonna wait for their tool to be available. Don't anticipate it should be long. Probably a few days at the most or someone else will beat them to it.

[daneoni]

+1

+2

No matter how much you guys argue (enlightening arguments by the way) hacking efforts will continue. It may not be as mainstream as it was but it will be there

If you unlocked your phone using pwnage you can easily upgrade to 2.0 by ctrl-loading the firmware in iTunes. Works like a charm with no problems. Of course you will no longer be unlocked but you can always revert with pwnage. But please bear this in mind: I did this with a pwnage unlocked phone using 1.1.4. I have no idea about other unlocking methods and I strongly suspect they will not work as well.

BTW I am running yesterdays 2.0 firmware and it works like a charm. And I already encountered activations errors and timeouts yesterday before today's deluge so I suspect their were buggy software issues and not just load issues.

Clarify do you have a legit AT&T iPhone tariff? because i'm curious to how the phone got activated or even worked after you used pwnage

[stoox]

Jailbreaking will get you screwed over in the end
just as a warning.


its just a waste of time now.

you will end up with effin bricks.
dont bother and enjoy the new 2.0 firmware.

[matticus008]

However, where in first year contracts is a contract held to be analgous with law?
Open a first year contracts textbook to page 1. Read it. I happen to have Summers and Hillman handy. Let's see what it says:

"Among the types of law to be studied here are judge-made common law, statutes adopted by legislatures, and regulations made by administrators. Officials make all of these types of law. But most of the law in this field is not made by officials. It is made by private parties (with or without the aid of lawyers), and consists of the terms of their agreements, express and implied."

Contracts are law. The rest of your nonsensical post (not to mention the laughable ad hominem) therefore falls apart entirely. Still, for those reading the thread with interest, here goes.
It has the FORCE of law, you are correct, and is BOUND by law. HOWEVER, it is NOT law.
You do realize that what you just said is an impossible construction, I hope. If it has the force of law and is legally binding, it is, by definition, law.
Laws, by their definition, have to be passed by a body with the authority to do so.
Statutes must be passed by a duly authorized body. Law is much broader, encompassing statutes, common law, constitutional law, private law, and administrative law.
Please, tell me WHICH law breaking an NDA with Apple violates.
The law of contract. See e.g. Valco Cincinnati, Inc. v. N & D Machining Service, Inc., 24 Ohio St.3d 41, 48 (1986).
Another hint - if you can't come back with a SPECIFIC law (cite to the specific law, it HAS to be published and passed by a body if it is a law), it is a PRINCIPLE OF CONTRACTS.
A "PRINCIPLE OF CONTRACTS" is law. If it weren't, no court of law could apply it.
Courts hold that a defendant is "liable for breach of contract." Not breach of any specific law.
Naturally, because there is not necessarily a statute to cite. The law forbids a breach of an agreement. Illegal, as defined by Black's, 8th: "illegal, adj. Forbidden by law; unlawful". Not limited to: criminal, in violation of a statute, or any of the other bizarre concepts you advance.

In order to get damages, there must be an injury ("The violation of another's legal right, for which the law provides a remedy; a wrong or injustice.")--an injury requires an unlawful act. If you can't demonstrate an unlawful act on the part of the defendant, you are ineligible for any remedy at law--most importantly, damages.
Which law do I violate when I contract to sell you my car, for adequate consideration, and then breach the contract by selling it to your friend instead.
The law of contracts. It's not complicated.
What law exists to govern jailbreaking iPhones or messing with pre-release software? if it was "illegal" to do so, guess what - NO NEED FOR THE DAMN NDA'S, IS THERE?
You seem to be lost. The NDA exists to create legally-binding rules on the use of the software not present in statutory law. That's the whole point of the law of contracts.

Breach of contract is breach of a legal duty. It is ipso facto unlawful to breach a legal duty.

I'll call your bluff. Send me a Westlaw URL to anything that speaks to the contrary.

[dbackbmx3]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

They will charge what they want anyways. Its competition.

[MagnusVonMagnum]

It's funny watching these exchanges. I keep thinking of Dungeons and Dragons and character alignments and how so-called "Lawful Good" or even "Lawful Neutral" and "Lawful Evil" characters behave. They stick to "LAWS" regardless of morality, ethics or whom passed the laws, whether they're just laws or even representative laws in a country that supposedly espouses a representative form of government. The latter half of those three alignments represent the 'morality' or 'ethical' nature of a character (as opposed to the prefix which may also be either Neutral or Chaotic Good or Evil or just plain Neutral). The idea is that pretty much all beings can be described to generally fit into one of those alignment categories.

Here, I see one or more persons going on and on about 'laws' without ANY regard to whether those laws apply to someone's given country on here or not or whether or not such laws are just or even ethical or constitute fair representation (i.e. Were constituents consulted or were laws passed to favor lobbyists spending coin in an official's direction?) These considerations mean absolutely ZERO to someone of a "lawful" nature because a law can be perfectly EVIL in nature and it MUST be obeyed in their eyes.

On the other side, I see people arguing for purely self-interests (neutral evil) or against stupid laws that make little sense (neutral good). To them, laws should only be followed if deemed worthy of following, whether for all (good) or self (evil).

Finally, you have the chaotic categories which are unpredictable or overly emotional behavior whether of a good or evil sort. Fans (or the more common Mac term 'fan-boy') and even trolls all fit into this category.

The problem with all this is that none of these groups intrinsically agree with each other so they're going to be prone to argument. You'll virtually NEVER get someone of a Neutral Good alignment to agree (truthfully in nature at least) to follow a bad law, for example and you'll never convince a lawful person (whether good or evil) that laws should be disregarded if they're bad or unfair because to them, LAW (no matter whom made it; all the matters is they consider themselves UNDER it) is paramount and everyone and everything that doesn't follow that law is by definition a CRIMINAL, whether right or wrong ethically because NO ONE is ABOVE the law, no matter how ridiculous that law might be. They believe the laws must be changed, not disregarded, even if it's almost impossible to change those laws due to circumstances or a total lack of caring on lawmakers part to do anything about them.

Basically, I'm saying these arguments are trite because you can't win an argument when one side couldn't care less about a law, only ethics and the other side couldn't care less about ethics, only laws and the two are definitely not mutually exclusive.

[dbackbmx3]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Jailbreaking is not even anywhere near breaking the law. This is an apple forum, your just pissed cause someone passed your slow american car. Germany is more efficient thanks to their autobahn maybe america should learn from them. Speed limits don't do anything.

by the way it's Flaunting.***

Ignorant people everywhere.

[toxicbomber]

Unlocking and Jailbreaking is not against the law.

:rolleyes:

Yes... it is. It breaks the EULA with both AT&T and Apple. :mad:

[Tallest Skil]

Yes... it is. It breaks the EULA with both AT&T and Apple. :mad:

It is virtually impossible to enforce a/an EULA. It is also not illegal to break it. A/an EULA is not a legal binding contract.

Finality of situation:

Unlocking is against AT&T's wishes, but is not illegal under the DMCA.
Jailbreaking is against Apple's EULA, but is not illegal.
Unlocking is formally against Apple's wishes, but it only matters because of AT&T's exclusivity.
Jailbreaking has little effect on AT&T (beyond VOIP), and thus they have no control over it.

Also, screw AT&T. Apple only stops it to keep up relations with the Phone Borg. Apple personally couldn't care less about AT&T; they're just a vehicle.

[PlayWithTV]

The app store doesn't have at some of the games I want. Poddle, iPhysics, and Parking Lot, so I'll be jailbreaking to get those.

[slughead]

It's not against the law to unlock a phone. At least in my country.

According to the DMCA, Apple could sue the jailbreaker authors if they SELL the app. Plus I think it's illegal to jailbreak your own device under that law.,

[coachfreak]

I'm not worried about the value of my old iphone selling on ebay. The new 3G only works under 3G networks. The old iPhone unlocked to use 2.0 will make it worth more than iphones still using 1.1.4 unlocked.

This is a good day for first gen iphones!

The above statement is simply untrue. The 3g MUST work in EDGE or AT&T couldn't sell it to MOST of the U.S.

[Tallest Skil]

The above statement is simply untrue. The 3g MUST work in EDGE or AT&T couldn't sell it to MOST of the U.S.

You are correct. The statement in question was made by someone with no knowledge of the subject.

[doublehead]

Jeeeeez! I came here to read about how to upgrade a jailbroken phone, not read an argument between a bunch of tards that have the constitution embroidered into their underpants argue with the people that actually belong in this forum....:mad:

[harcosparky]

Wasn't it Shakespeare who wrote .....

" First we kill all the lawyers .... "

In todays digital world that should be appended with .....

" ... and those pretending to be lawyers on internet forums ".

Now let's get back to freeing up IPnoe 2.0 for all the free people in the world!!!

[kingtj]

I tried to use pwnage 1.1 last night, and discovered it just errors out with some kind of "unrecognized format" error when it tries to open up a copy of the release 2.0 firmware in .ipsw format.

But it sounds like at least someone here is saying, if you first run pwnage on 1.14 firmware on your rev. 1 iPhone to get its boot-loader on there, and jailbreak said 1.14 firmware, THEN you can just let iTunes do a regular upgrade to firmware 2.0 and it will STAY jailbroken?


Jeeeeez! I came here to read about how to upgrade a jailbroken phone, not read an argument between a bunch of tards that have the constitution embroidered into their underpants argue with the people that actually belong in this forum....:mad:

[optophobia]

So on my first jailbroken iPhone, I used one of ericas apps to change my carrier logo from "AT&T" to "Verizon" :rolleyes: (obviously the phone was running on the AT&T network.

I backed it up and then used the backup to transfer to my new 3G iphone.

Well, wouldn't you know, none of the apps transferred, as exected, BUT the carrier still reads "verizon" .

So this might be interesting to a few, butnow I have no way of changing it !!!

[steviem]

Jailbreaking will get you screwed over in the end
just as a warning.


its just a waste of time now.

you will end up with effin bricks.
dont bother and enjoy the new 2.0 firmware.

Enlighten me, what will brick it?

I want to enjoy the new 2.0 firmware, but I'm still contracted to Orange and don't want to break that contract and have to pay the rest of my term (c.7 months of payments).
I want to access my company's exchange server and I will contribute to apple and its legitimate developers by buying apps. But I also want to still use open source software, a Terminal and keep my current provider too.

pwnage won't brick your iPhone, as long as you follow the instructions and use the right firmware ipsw. Apple wont brick it, if they do they are breaking the law themselves, that must amount to criminal damage.

[AremidPhoenix]

Where is it ?!?!?! Im dying over here!!!!

[matticus008]

It is virtually impossible to enforce a/an EULA. It is also not illegal to break it. A/an EULA is not a legal binding contract.
More than two decades of law disagrees with you on all three points.

Jailbreaking itself is not illegal. Depending on the means used and the indivuduals involved, a particular method of jailbreaking may be illegal under the DMCA, the UTSA, or the UCC. Individuals and companies have been sued successfully thousands of times for these violations, but it is a matter of interest of the rightsholder whether they choose to pursue it.

Apple is not likely to pursue individual users--they have no reason to and nothing to gain from doing so. They already deny warranty coverage to those who do not use the product as delivered to them; anything further would not be worth the time and money. They respond to exploits by patching their software, which results in mutual benefit. The developers are not selling iPhones or selling modifications as a business entity, and even if they were, the revenue would not be worth the cost in chasing, since the community largely rejects the sale of unlocks and applications.

Do not confuse lack of incentive to prosecute with lack of ability.

[daneoni]

I tried to use pwnage 1.1 last night, and discovered it just errors out with some kind of "unrecognized format" error when it tries to open up a copy of the release 2.0 firmware in .ipsw format.

But it sounds like at least someone here is saying, if you first run pwnage on 1.14 firmware on your rev. 1 iPhone to get its boot-loader on there, and jailbreak said 1.14 firmware, THEN you can just let iTunes do a regular upgrade to firmware 2.0 and it will STAY jailbroken?

I'd like clarity on this as well

[juanster]

Tell me again, what is the point of jailbreaking 2.0? We now have official apps, its available in most countries and with some through multiple carriers, and T-Mobile in the states is even worse than AT&T. Its not like you can take your iPhone to verizon or Sprint.

also so that i can use my 1st gen iphone (at&T) in Canada under rogers and still have acces to the app store and such....

[Van Wildonher]

I tried to use pwnage 1.1 last night, and discovered it just errors out with some kind of "unrecognized format" error when it tries to open up a copy of the release 2.0 firmware in .ipsw format.

But it sounds like at least someone here is saying, if you first run pwnage on 1.14 firmware on your rev. 1 iPhone to get its boot-loader on there, and jailbreak said 1.14 firmware, THEN you can just let iTunes do a regular upgrade to firmware 2.0 and it will STAY jailbroken?

No, you CAN NOT jailbreak/unlock 2.0 yet. The software is NOT out. The only thing you can do is restore your iPhone with iTunes and have a regular 2.0 iPhone with AT&T etc.

[empress]

No, you CAN NOT jailbreak/unlock 2.0 yet. The software is NOT out. The only thing you can do is restore your iPhone with iTunes and have a regular 2.0 iPhone with AT&T etc.

i did this. it locked out my local sim card, but i just used my at&t sim to activate, then switched it to airplane mode with wifi on (love this feature) to ensure i wouldn't be billed for roaming. i also added the free app truphone and was able to make wifi calls using my at&t number without roaming and low rates. i have some friends in the US that are supposed to be adding truphone to their iphones as well so that we can talk to one another free. i am glad that i went ahead and did the the upgrade even if i locked out my regular sim i don't use my phone too much as i'm traveling so i am cool using the wifi truphone when necessary until the unlock for 2.0 is released.

[MattMcLeary]

http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h73/axmatt/?action=view&current=iphone-20-failure.jpg

So I got up nice and early to head off to my local O2 shop (Princes Street Edinburgh). All good so far. They open their doors at 08.02 and sit down with a nice girl who clearly would rather be in her bed than in the store, but however very nice person. 5 minutes into the "Upgrade Process" she tried to call into O2 call center to do a "Manual Upgrade". She gets put in a que on the phone. Her colleague shouts across "Upgrade won't do anything as they don't open until 9am" but in good confidence she stays on hold. 45 Minutes later, still on hold. She gives up and starts to process the purchase (16GB - £59). To her and myself this was great get on the road, but no. O2 system crashed and would not allow the transaction. At this point there were around 50 people at most outside waiting to get in, but only 6 were allowed at any one time. Just coming up for the 2 hour wait, the servers back on and all is gooood! Make payment and rush home to get my hands on the goodies!

iPhone 3G activated in under 10 seconds and I could use it fine. Goes to update my 1st Gen iPhone to 2.0 (as my dad is getting the 1st one) and CRASH, the phone restarts after the upgrade with on screen picture wanting to be plugged back into iTunes. So I do it, and iTunes says "iPhone is in recovery mode. Restore" so I start the restore AGAIN, but this time iTunes pops up with "Unable to complete restore. Unknown error(20)". I tried for the next 4 hours trying to get it working as my in my mind I was like "£270 for a brick...". Gave up and got on with my day. Came back later at night to try again, but still the same. At this point Google directed me in the way of many others. Left it over night, plugged it in this morning and it's back up and working normally now!

Apple AND O2 really let me down on this! and still Apple has taken NO responsibility for it. Kind of a shame slandering Windows Vista when Apple has made a bigger bo-bo.http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h73/axmatt/iphone-20-failure.jpg

[daneoni]

i did this. it locked out my local sim card, but i just used my at&t sim to activate, then switched it to airplane mode with wifi on (love this feature) to ensure i wouldn't be billed for roaming. i also added the free app truphone and was able to make wifi calls using my at&t number without roaming and low rates. i have some friends in the US that are supposed to be adding truphone to their iphones as well so that we can talk to one another free. i am glad that i went ahead and did the the upgrade even if i locked out my regular sim i don't use my phone too much as i'm traveling so i am cool using the wifi truphone when necessary until the unlock for 2.0 is released.

Is the AT&T sim just a regular AT&T number or an iPhone specific number/plan?

[shadowfax]

Apple AND O2 really let me down on this! and still Apple has taken NO responsibility for it. Kind of a shame slandering Windows Vista when Apple has made a bigger bo-bo.http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h73/axmatt/iphone-20-failure.jpg

Speaking as someone with quite extensive experience: I waited in line with AT&T for 3 hours, didn't get an iPhone because they refused to help me (I wasn't the primary account holder, but was going to have him call them for permission--they wouldn't wait, and wouldn't hold a phone for me, far cry from Apple). I fixed that on the phone and went to an Apple Store... 4 hours in line there, and the guy accidentally activated me an 8GB when I asked for 16 GB. I couldn't see the label, and I didn't realize that it was wrong until he rang up the price... AFTER it was activated and had deactivated my phone. He spent 2 hours on the phone with AT&T trying to reinstate my eligibility for a discounted upgrade. At the end of that, AT&T's final word was that it's 48-72 hours for them to reinstate my eligibility. If I wanted an iPhone 16 GB on launch day, that's $500, and they wouldn't give me a refund after my eligibility was reinstated. My other option was to go home with a totally useless 2G iPhone, because the activation of that 8GB iPhone BEFORE I paid for it deactivated my SIM.

I waited 7 hours in 2 lines, and another 2 in the Apple store in front of an iMac (which was pretty nice by comparison). I walked in with a working 2G iPhone, and left with no working phone at all. That's bullcrap. AT&T is going to get a whole lot of calls from me when my bill comes and I want them to waive some serious fees for the lying that their incompetent service representatives have done to me in connection with this (that is another story entirely). If the phone calls don't work, they will get plenty of formal complaints in the mail too.

So anyway, with all that experience, I can say that the iPhone's messed up launch day, as poor as it turned out, is still not much compared to the disaster that is Windows Vista. Wasting a day of my life is a pittance. I have plenty of days. Vista is an experience that spans many months. It will be years before Windows 7, and Windows XP is only marginally better than Vista. Vista is a horrible trainwreck. Try and keep some perspective, lol.

[kingtj]

I think you've got more patience than me (and I'm always told I'm a really patient person, doing on-site PC repair for a living and all).

I think in that situation, I would have convinced myself the 8GB iPhone would suit me just fine, and I really don't need to pay more for 8 more GB anyway - and gone on home with my new 3G phone!

That really is B.S. though on AT&T's part. Their lack of competence and customer service never fails to astound me.

I recently ordered their voice over IP service "TrueVantage" here, to replace my regular land line service (also recommending it to a good friend of mine), and they made a fool out of me on that one too. My installation went ok - but in her case, they wound up disconnecting her DSL service, making it impossible to use the TrueVantage service she purchased! (You could still call her number, but it went straight to the TrueVantage voice mail, since she had no Internet for the voice over IP service to run on top of.)

Then. she spent 4+ hours on the phone trying to get it corrected, with AT&T's DSL people claiming they "don't have very good communications with the other division that does TrueVantage", and they expected a 2-3 day delay before she'd have a phone line again at home.


Speaking as someone with quite extensive experience: I waited in line with AT&T for 3 hours, didn't get an iPhone because they refused to help me (I wasn't the primary account holder, but was going to have him call them for permission--they wouldn't wait, and wouldn't hold a phone for me, far cry from Apple). I fixed that on the phone and went to an Apple Store... 4 hours in line there, and the guy accidentally activated me an 8GB when I asked for 16 GB. I couldn't see the label, and I didn't realize that it was wrong until he rang up the price... AFTER it was activated and had deactivated my phone. He spent 2 hours on the phone with AT&T trying to reinstate my eligibility for a discounted upgrade. At the end of that, AT&T's final word was that it's 48-72 hours for them to reinstate my eligibility. If I wanted an iPhone 16 GB on launch day, that's $500, and they wouldn't give me a refund after my eligibility was reinstated. My other option was to go home with a totally useless 2G iPhone, because the activation of that 8GB iPhone BEFORE I paid for it deactivated my SIM.

I waited 7 hours in 2 lines, and another 2 in the Apple store in front of an iMac (which was pretty nice by comparison). I walked in with a working 2G iPhone, and left with no working phone at all. That's bullcrap. AT&T is going to get a whole lot of calls from me when my bill comes and I want them to waive some serious fees for the lying that their incompetent service representatives have done to me in connection with this (that is another story entirely). If the phone calls don't work, they will get plenty of formal complaints in the mail too.

So anyway, with all that experience, I can say that the iPhone's messed up launch day, as poor as it turned out, is still not much compared to the disaster that is Windows Vista. Wasting a day of my life is a pittance. I have plenty of days. Vista is an experience that spans many months. It will be years before Windows 7, and Windows XP is only marginally better than Vista. Vista is a horrible trainwreck. Try and keep some perspective, lol.

[benflick]

hello everybody, i am new to the iphone world and i need some help. i have a 2g iphone with 1.1.4. then unlocked it without a problem. i recently tried to upgrade to 2.0 and thats where the problem sets in. something is messed up with it. this is what it displays:
http://i35.tinypic.com/xdsebn.jpg

what my real question is;
1. what the hell does that mean?
2. can someone please please help me downgrade from 2.0 back to 1.1.4? i am really desperate and dont know what to do. i'm only 14. i tried to use iClarified to downgrade to 1.1.4 but that is very confusing. if there is any possible way for some one to walk me through it? thanks

[shadowfax]

Ben, I think you are out of luck for now. I could be wrong, but as far as I know, you should have waited for the unlock and jailbreak to be released before upgrading. Just because the firmware has been unlocked, doesn't mean it's ready for prime time.

Hopefully it won't be too long before the release for you. I am waiting on the unlock for my old iPhone so I can give it to my brother in Europe (his country doesn't have the iPhone right now, and if it can't be unlocked, he'll use it as a free iPod Touch)... but for now, thanks to AT&T, I have an iBrick like you, lol. Actually it is still usable, you just can't make calls. So maybe I should say I have an iPod Touch, or an iCan'tTalk. Yeah.

[MagnusVonMagnum]

hello everybody, i am new to the iphone world and i need some help. i have a 2g iphone with 1.1.4. then unlocked it without a problem. i recently tried to upgrade to 2.0 and thats where the problem sets in. something is messed up with it. this is what it displays:
(image deleted from quote because it's annoyingly huge and blurry)

what my real question is;
1. what the hell does that mean?
2. can someone please please help me downgrade from 2.0 back to 1.1.4? i am really desperate and dont know what to do. i'm only 14. i tried to use iClarified to downgrade to 1.1.4 but that is very confusing. if there is any possible way for some one to walk me through it? thanks

It's really hard to say what's wrong when the picture you posted is nothing but a BIG (way larger than it needs to be) BLUR. Do you think you could take a pictuer that isn't overexposed and blurry? You should also provide more information. WHERE and WHEN did you get that screen? What did you do? Did you interrupt the process or unplug something at some point? When did the screen appear? How long did you wait, etc. etc.?

I THINK it's showing the cable connect to iTunes picture I saw when upgrading my iPod Touch. I'd never seen that display before that point so I think maybe it's a 2.0 firmware indicator that indicates you should plug your iPhone into iTunes. It showed up on mine regardless during the upgrade process. I just left it all alone (it was already plugged into a USB port) and waited. It then finished updating and the screen returned to normal. Did you perhaps unplug it in the middle of the update process? I know when mine said "preparing for restore" and just sat there for like 8 minutes, I thought it was buggered, but it was in fact installing the 2.0 firmware (terrible notification system) and eventually finished on its own.

[theschoning]

Just googled it and found these guys....they claim to offer iPhone 2.0 unlock!
Anyone heard of them or tried their software?

http://www.iphoneunlocking.org.uk/faq.php


I'm tempted, but may just wait until there is a free solution from ziphone or similar.


cheers,

J.

[Tallest Skil]

Just googled it and found these guys....they claim to offer iPhone 2.0 unlock!

The Dev Team did it on the 10th. Just wait for them.

[noobus]

Does someone know if it is possible to buy the iphone in the U.S with the "no commitment price" today or is like many other european countries that it wont be released until the end of the year?

[Shasterball]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

I don't think this is the reason we are getting scalped for service... I'm also not saying that it's ethical...

[Shasterball]

Does someone know if it is possible to buy the iphone in the U.S with the "no commitment price" today or is like many other european countries that it wont be released until the end of the year?

It was my understanding that you could for ~$600-$700. Or am I wrong?

[noobus]

It was my understanding that you could for ~$600-$700. Or am I wrong?

You are right but in the UK they decided to delay the release of the "no commitment price". The same in switzerland. My question is if it will it be delayed in the US too?

[xyntax]

i accidentally upgraded my 1st gen Iphone to ver 2.0.... how can i downgrade it to 1.1.4? it indicates that i should use unlocked sim... need help

[daneoni]

hello everybody, i am new to the iphone world and i need some help. i have a 2g iphone with 1.1.4. then unlocked it without a problem. i recently tried to upgrade to 2.0 and thats where the problem sets in. something is messed up with it. this is what it displays:

what my real question is;
1. what the hell does that mean?
2. can someone please please help me downgrade from 2.0 back to 1.1.4? i am really desperate and dont know what to do. i'm only 14. i tried to use iClarified to downgrade to 1.1.4 but that is very confusing. if there is any possible way for some one to walk me through it? thanks

i accidentally upgraded my 1st gen Iphone to ver 2.0.... how can i downgrade it to 1.1.4? it indicates that i should use unlocked sim... need help

This link (http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=1504) should help you two out although im hesitant to give it since you both seem like you dont know what you're doing (no offence)

Anyway it should help but i WONT be held responsible if you FUBAR your phones

[Snide]

Just googled it and found these guys....they claim to offer iPhone 2.0 unlock!
Anyone heard of them or tried their software?

http://www.iphoneunlocking.org.uk/faq.php



Please read this before supporting those lowlifes and their ilk
(who steal free software and sell it without giving credit - yuk)

http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=44289

Here's a much better alternative:

http://www.iphoneunlocked.nl/

[yehudah72]

anyone knows who can UNLOCK, both, 1st Gen. iPhone with 2.0 Update and NEW iPhone 3G??? i previously bought services from unlock-iPhone-OTB.com (which is the same guy as iPhoneinfused.com), but doesn't have update yet and i had YouTube problems with my 1.1.4...... so please reply to this if you have UNLOCKING info.

[Snide]

We already know WHO, it's a matter of when...

http://blog.iphone-dev.org/

Specifically: http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/42122134/still-cranking-away#disqus_thread

[severe]

Hey guys...

Any luck with backing up ones phone in 1.1.4 and getting that backup onto the 3G iPhone? I would like to keep 1.1.4 on the the original iPhone because a buyer wants it that way.

Would there be any conflict regarding a backup in iTunes 7.5 being used in the latest iTunes with the 2.0 software?

Is there a procedure here?

[pw1500]

19 hours until stable dev team release of jailbreak for 2.0??

Straight from dev team blog. http://blog.iphone-dev.org/

They have posted a countdown at : http://www.ihazsupper.com/

[rhett7660]

19 hours until stable dev team release of jailbreak for 2.0??

Straight from dev team blog. http://blog.iphone-dev.org/

They have posted a countdown at : http://www.ihazsupper.com/

Great news!

[matticus008]

They have posted a countdown at : http://www.ihazsupper.com/
That's not a countdown. It's marching toward infinity.

It's currently referring to a point 14,000 days in the past and moving quickly. 1215940715 seconds isn't 19 hours.

[benflick]

well, i found this little slice of heaven:
iPhone1,1_1.1.4_4A102_Restore. i downloaded and clicked on it. it opened up itunes and wa-la i was restoring my software again. although it did not restore it back to 1.1.4. (i wasnt expecting it to) it did proceed with 2.0 installation and now my iphone is semi fixed. i mean semi as in i cant use it because it is not unlocked but it does still work fine.

i guess now i will try to downgrade to 1.1.4. or wait until the dev-team releases their software to unlock 2.0. what should i do?

[xyntax]

i just downgraded my 2.0 to 1.1.4 and jailbreaked and unlocked it but the problem is everytime i use different kinds of sim card i dont have cell access and SMS dont work... need help.. thanks

[daneoni]

i just downgraded my 2.0 to 1.1.4 and jailbreaked and unlocked it but the problem is everytime i use different kinds of sim card i dont have cell access and SMS dont work... need help.. thanks

You've probably tried to unlock the 2.0 baseband (04.05.05) with iLiberty+ instead of downgrading the baseband to 1.1.4 (04.04.05) first, either that or you need to reset network settings from the settings menu

That's not a countdown. It's marching toward infinity.

It's currently referring to a point 14,000 days in the past and moving quickly. 1215940715 seconds isn't 19 hours.

What's the point then? we get it Geohot/Zibri sold out they should get over it already and move on. Why are they sitting on this thing. I'd have thought a whole weekend was enough for testing what was already looking like a great product

[matticus008]

What's the point then? we get it Geohot/Zibri sold out they should get over it already and move on. Why are they sitting on this thing. I'd have thought a whole weekend was enough for testing what was already looking like a great product
You've got me. It's politics and immaturity across the board. I don't really know the history of the breaking of that little hacker fellowship, but from what little I've read, these squabbling children seem more interested in raking over the coals than in releasing an unlocking tool.

They're waiting for x, or don't see a point in releasing y, until z is done. I don't think they've got a truly functional product yet. They've not released an activation tool or an unlock for the (allegedly long-cracked) 2G iPhone. Seems to me that this is 99% of their target market, given the sales policies in effect for the iPhone 3G. Why they're so hung up on it is a mystery.

The whole fearing a last minute Apple update was total nonsense--there was no way to issue a patch after the firmware dropped. Either something's broken or they couldn't get it done legally and they're trying to cover their tracks.

[eatthebiscuit]

Just googled it and found these guys....they claim to offer iPhone 2.0 unlock!
Anyone heard of them or tried their software?

http://www.iphoneunlocking.org.uk/faq.php


I'm tempted, but may just wait until there is a free solution from ziphone or similar.


cheers,

J.

I paid £23 for this software which didn't work and tried calling and emailing them for technical support as I too accidentally upgraded to ver 2.0 and no one returned my messages, I've been waiting days...their site promises contact back in a maximum of 4 hours mmm. Don't waste your money, the site looks so convincing, I was so :mad:!

I too have this problem and my iPhone 2G is now unusable, I upgraded iTunes to 7.7 then upgraded the firmware from 1.1.4 to 2.0 if anyone has any suggestions of how to get my phone up and running even only to use to access the internet and not make calls I would be extremely grateful. I bought mine unlocked and should have left well alone as I have no idea about these things. I was taken in by what I would be able to do with 2.0. Tried using ZiPhone software, but it won't recognise my phone. I tried restoring to previous firmware versions but just get the error code 20. I have downgraded iTunes to 7.5. Can anyone help please...?

[TurboIIFC]

Hmm, im a complete noob and trying to read as much about hacking the iphone as I can but I recently purchased a 8gb iphone thats apparently jailbroken and when I click on settings, general, then about, the version says 2.0 and im successfully making phonecalls using T-Mobile service. I recently downloaded iTunes 7.5 to sync my iphone and put some music in the ipod but it says I need to upgrade to iTunes 7.7 for some reason. Can anyone help me out? Thanks.

[sammy2066]

The 2.0 upgrade has been a disaster for me. It's slow, buggy, and very random. I can't wait for 2.1.

[daneoni]

it says I need to upgrade to iTunes 7.7 for some reason. Can anyone help me out? Thanks.

Umm...do what it says, upgrade your iTunes to 7.7. iTunes 7.7 is the only iTunes compatible with 2.0 software

I paid £23 for this software which didn't work and tried calling and emailing them for technical support as I too accidentally upgraded to ver 2.0 and no one returned my messages, I've been waiting days...their site promises contact back in a maximum of 4 hours mmm. Don't waste your money, the site looks so convincing, I was so :mad:!

I too have this problem and my iPhone 2G is now unusable, I upgraded iTunes to 7.7 then upgraded the firmware from 1.1.4 to 2.0 if anyone has any suggestions of how to get my phone up and running even only to use to access the internet and not make calls I would be extremely grateful. I bought mine unlocked and should have left well alone as I have no idea about these things. I was taken in by what I would be able to do with 2.0. Tried using ZiPhone software, but it won't recognise my phone. I tried restoring to previous firmware versions but just get the error code 20. I have downgraded iTunes to 7.5. Can anyone help please...?

Why not just use pwnage tool 2.0.1? to unlock your 2.0 phone and if you'd rather downgrade then use this (http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=1504) guide