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MacRumors
Dec 18, 2003, 04:09 AM
Apple has also released (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120289#English) Java 3D and Java Advanced Imaging Update.

This update contains support for Java3D and Java Advanced ImagingJava 3D extends the Java platform, providing additional capabilities for running three-dimensional graphics applications and Internet-based 3D applets.

Java Advanced Imaging (JAI) Update extends the Java platform, providing additional capabilities for running image processing applications and imaging applets in Java.

mgescuro
Dec 18, 2003, 04:18 AM
Gee.. that's a lot of updates for one day!! 3!! Must be a record for Apple.

ckwm
Dec 18, 2003, 04:20 AM
Good grief they've been busy - three updates! I would have thought they would all be working on the new iWrite tablet/pda/phone with built in wireless video distribution, dual G5s, liquid cooling and toaster. Maybe my dreams for MWSF are not going to come true after all...

AmigoMac
Dec 18, 2003, 04:23 AM
I want to start my work and have been just updating and writing here what I get... :D

What's next? , nice if they got an improvement... 3 in row... ok, I'll back! computer is restart...

amnesiac1984
Dec 18, 2003, 04:36 AM
So why isn't this in software update?

the 10.3.2 update went perfect for me with no broken permissions (off topic I know but I didn't want to post to both threads)

ITR 81
Dec 18, 2003, 05:18 AM
Probably wasn't included with 10.3.2 because it wasn't part of the seeded developers software package.

I'm hoping this helps abit on the Java side while browsing on the net.

iChan
Dec 18, 2003, 07:58 AM
what kind of apps actually take advantage of this?

I recently saw this video of java 3D... here...

http://wwws.sun.com/software/looking_glass/demo.html

it looks fantastic, is this the kind of stuff that we can look forward to?

iChan
Dec 18, 2003, 07:59 AM
just downloaded it...looks good

JohnStrass
Dec 18, 2003, 08:07 AM
Uh oh. I just noticed that it needs Panther. I really am happy with Jaguar, but I suppose I should ge twith the times in my iMac 800...
Would panther kill my iMac G3 333 500MB Ram? Ihave kept it on 9.2, but time to get with the times, I think

Compufix
Dec 18, 2003, 08:16 AM
I just installed Panther on an iMac (Graphite with 700 megs RAM) last night also noticed in software updates 10.3.2. Machine works VERY well (400 Mhz I think) and it just seems very quick for the age of the machine. Of course the extra RAM always helps.

kenkooler
Dec 18, 2003, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by amnesiac1984
So why isn't this in software update?

the 10.3.2 update went perfect for me with no broken permissions (off topic I know but I didn't want to post to both threads)

I doesn't appear to me either, probably because I downloaded the betas from the ADC website.

Postal
Dec 18, 2003, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by JohnStrass
Uh oh. I just noticed that it needs Panther. I really am happy with Jaguar, but I suppose I should ge twith the times in my iMac 800...
Would panther kill my iMac G3 333 500MB Ram? Ihave kept it on 9.2, but time to get with the times, I think

Your iMac G3 could technically run it (heck, we have a 333 MHz iMac at work running Jaguar) but it would probably not be a good idea, unless you intend to use it as, say, an iTunes jukebox for a network or an FTP server.

mrdrumbum
Dec 18, 2003, 08:30 AM
how come it's not showing up in my software update?

Lewisham
Dec 18, 2003, 08:31 AM
So is this release the same as the developer tools 2 beta? I'm currently in the middle of a year-long Uni project being developed in Java 3D, a confirmed stable release would be excellent.

I haven't yet found any link on the Apple site to download the standalone package yet... :(

iChan
Dec 18, 2003, 08:37 AM
I don't knwo wwhat everyone is complaining about... the link is in the news article... about three words in, it's highlighted for you...

just click on it and it takes you to Apple's website, you can download it from there.

Lewisham
Dec 18, 2003, 08:53 AM
*wipes egg off face*
It's still early. I haven't had a coffee. I've been drinking gin...

*just look cool and no-one will notice*
:cool:

rotorblade
Dec 18, 2003, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by JohnStrass
Would panther kill my iMac G3 333 500MB Ram? Ihave kept it on 9.2, but time to get with the times, I think

I installed Panther on my sisters Blueberry 333 (w/512MB RAM) and I was pleasantly surprised by how well Panther ran on it. Tried an audio iChat session and numerous other applications and they all ran really well. For the everyday user, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Panther for older iMacs.

iChan
Dec 18, 2003, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by Lewisham
*wipes egg off face*
It's still early. I haven't had a coffee. I've been drinking gin...

*just look cool and no-one will notice*
:cool:

smooth, real smooth...:cool:

vanmonkey
Dec 18, 2003, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by rotorblade
I installed Panther on my sisters Blueberry 333 (w/512MB RAM) and I was pleasantly surprised by how well Panther ran on it. Tried an audio iChat session and numerous other applications and they all ran really well. For the everyday user, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Panther for older iMacs.

I'm a big fan of the OS X upgrades, and my testing ground has been...
(drumroll please)
...My girlfriend's Bodi Blue iMac (233Mhz)!!

And not a single complaint. OS X just keeps getting faster and faster!

AirUncleP
Dec 18, 2003, 10:07 AM
What do I do when my Software Update icon starts smoking?

robotrenegade
Dec 18, 2003, 11:23 AM
I have 10.3.2. update and I'm still not seeing it in software update.

simX
Dec 18, 2003, 12:04 PM
It doesn't appear in Software Update!! Yeesh, not every update appears in there. This is one of those things that probably only a vast minority is going to use, so it's useless to put it in the control panel. If you want it, you need to download it via the link.

Macco
Dec 18, 2003, 12:43 PM
So... what exactly do these updates do? I mean, what sort of applications would implement Java 3D and in what sort of way?

damson34
Dec 18, 2003, 12:48 PM
the reason why it isnt in the SU is because it is beta software. Not a final version.

gregorypierce
Dec 19, 2003, 10:18 AM
It is odd that Apple is releasing updates for an API which Sun is no longer really supporting themselves. While its great that they listened to outstanding demand for the API by Java developers and provided it - there are no Sun developers actually working on the original Java3D API any more.

All of the meat of development (from Sun) has moved onto the Java Game Initiative APIs (which are also open source).

So while this is cool, it seems to make no logistical sense at all.

iChan
Dec 19, 2003, 10:21 AM
haven't sun released the java3d API as opersource now or something... I don't know, i remember reading something like that...

Lewisham
Dec 19, 2003, 10:41 AM
When I researched the build engine for my project, I saw everything about "Java3D is dead". The general belief is it's not really, they "let go" a lot of the developers and it's on hold, but that's while they work out where Java3D needs to go in future, and whether it should exist at all.

Apple implementing Java3D support is nothing but a Good Thing. I've manged to get a spaceship generated in Maya moving backwards and forwards, a zoomed back camera with text that always faces it in the space of about 15 man hours (includes lots of reading!). Anyone starting in 3D should use this first IMHO.

But then again, I *am* a Java evangelist. Possibly because I'm a crap programmer :D

rauf
Dec 20, 2003, 12:16 PM
Does this have anything to do with sun's Java 3D desktop? I've seen the keynote presentation on Sun's website and it is way cool... It the first time I've hankered after a different OS rather than a mac in a very long time.

Does anyone know if apple is thinking about bringing 3D desktop features on-board? It would make for a very cool addition to the mac interface.

iChan
Dec 20, 2003, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by rauf
Does this have anything to do with sun's Java 3D desktop? I've seen the keynote presentation on Sun's website and it is way cool... It the first time I've hankered after a different OS rather than a mac in a very long time.

Does anyone know if apple is thinking about bringing 3D desktop features on-board? It would make for a very cool addition to the mac interface.

wow, hankering after a new os just after looking at a tech demo, that is something! TBH, the 3D desktop looks more hassle than it's worth, and there is so much more to an OS than a few nifty tricks... with MacOS X, form follows function... in the tech demo, the whole OS is nothing but a few neat graphical tricks without much thought put into what we would actually want to do with the technology.

I mean, who wants to, after ripping a CD, want a virtual representation of your CD on your screen, I mean, 99% of the time, the album COVER is where the art is, and the CD contains nothing but text... on a small screen, they would become unreadable...

some neat graphical tricks are evident, but seems of little use to me, except for the notes on the back of windows thing, that could be quite interesting, but does that mean if I just want o close a browser windows with a bit of text ont he back of it, i'd be asked if i want to save, don't save or cancel??? not the best place to put notes, you're better off using stickies!! don't you agree...

do, other than these things i have mentioned and showed potentially how useless they are, what else is there in that tech demo that was really appealing and would cause one to 'hanker' for it.? beats me.

rauf
Dec 22, 2003, 12:58 PM
I guess that's why we're all different dude...