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arn
May 17, 2002, 10:49 AM
After quite a few false starts... MacMinute (http://www.macminute.com) is reporting that iBooks are due Tuesday.

New iBooks have been rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/04/20020429235519.shtml) for the past few weeks, from various sources. Expected upgrades seem to be relatively small speed bumps.

Ensign Paris
May 17, 2002, 10:54 AM
I just hope this isn't a non-starter, it would be really annoying if they didn't update :)

Ensign

djniche
May 17, 2002, 10:55 AM
I have been waiting for this... I hope is true
so what are we looking at G4?s with 14" across the line?
redesigned I would hope .. maybe new casing color at least?

what do you guys think?

Mr. Anderson
May 17, 2002, 10:57 AM
MacMinute said the details were not available on what was in store for the upgrade, but they mentioned that it would probably be a speed bump and some new components (graphics card). I would have to agree with that, to see the G4 in the iBook at this point just doesn't make any sense.

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teabgs
May 17, 2002, 10:59 AM
personally I dont buy it. It sounds too good to be true. There is no info, and no basis for a rumor I've heard many times in the last few months. I want to know where the info came from...and of course there would be a speed bump...

I'll believe it when I see it.

drastik
May 17, 2002, 11:00 AM
Well, the g$ sould make sense, if the price can be kept down, why not. I would love a faster bus, but whats the odds on that.

johnpaul191
May 17, 2002, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by djniche
I have been waiting for this... I hope is true
so what are we looking at G4?s with 14" across the line?
redesigned I would hope .. maybe new casing color at least?

what do you guys think?

i doubt we'll see a G4.... 99% of ibook users won't really see speed gains from a G4 vs G3, and G3s are a bit cheaper. i hope the 12" screen stays. i plan on buying one later this year, and if i have to i'll find a refurb 12" before i buy a 14". i want portability, and i have a desktop machine at work and home. i can understand them making a 14" model for people that want/need the screen and do not want the expense of a TiBook, but Apple faithful were crying out for a small notebook for years.

as for case redesign, who knows, but i do not see a need. i would think something that drastic would be for a well attented event. colors? who knows. i guess the ibook is the thrifitiest Mac right now (barring the crt imac or the emac). if we were going to see colors again in the lineup, i would think it's the line to start with. there have been rumors of an SE model for the imac and ibook. who knows if that is true. it could have refered to the 14" ibook, who knows.

jelloshotsrule
May 17, 2002, 11:07 AM
the better the ibook gets the more i'll want one without being able to afford/reason it...

i doubt g4 now, but then again... they won't update now and at mwny so i don't know...

let's hope it's a decent boost though... if it goes to 7 or 800. it could create that problem with the tibook being the same mhz and consumer's inability to recognize. of course, the tibook is pro model so pros should know better.

will be interesting to see what steve has up his sleeve.

TyleRomeo
May 17, 2002, 11:10 AM
it does make sense that a new iBook would come out, they've been discontinued in the stores and most places are selling the current ones at a huge discount. Plus apple said that now they release an item once its ready and arent going to wait for a MacWorld to release it. (except the new PMs)

ftaok
May 17, 2002, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by johnpaul191
[B]i doubt we'll see a G4.... 99% of ibook users won't really see speed gains from a G4 vs G3, and G3s are a bit cheaper.Users of OS X will see gains from the G4. As far as I know, Apple has been pushing Consumers and Pros alike towards OS X. And who's to say that the 750FX G3 (the ones that go to 1Ghz) would be any cheaper than the G4s that they use in the LCD iMac?

My guess is that if iBooks are released on Tuesday (may 21), they'll be 550 and 650 G4s running on a 100mhz bus. They'll sport ATi Radeon Mobility 16MB and 20GB HDs.

Both the 12" and 14" size remains.

550 iBook, DVD-ROM, 256MB --->$1300
650 iBook, Combo, 256MB ---> $1600
650 iBook 14", Combo, 512MB and maybe 30GB HD ---> $1900

All using G4s.

MM2270
May 17, 2002, 11:30 AM
As much as we would all love the iBook to go to G4, I have a feeling we won't see that just yet. It WILL happen of course, at some point, since the iBooks are the only line left with G3's (except for the classic iMac). I disagree that consumers would not get the advantage of a G4 chip in the iBook since OS X is now the default OS on all Macs. G4's just handle X better than G3's, even at the same Mhz.

What would be great is to see a small speed bump, to say... 700 Mhz, but with a G4, and a bump in bus speed. I know it's probably dreaming, but that's what would get me to buy an iBook for sure.

As for case redesign... why?? The current design is a huge hit. I don't see any reason why Apple would change that, at least right now.
And colors?? Not a chance! I think Apple's days of offering colored Macs are long over. I know when the iBook was first intro'ed, there were rumors flyin' arund about color models coming out, since ordering one on the Apple Store would get you to a page that said in the summary "Color: White". Anyone know if that still happens? I haven't looked for that in a long while.

Anyway, should be interesting to see what they'll release. If it does happen (new iBooks), then we'll know for sure that Apple's strategy for releasing new products when they're ready is true!

Backtothemac
May 17, 2002, 11:55 AM
There is no way that we will see the G4 goes across the entire line. The reason... Cost. It is just too expensive to put one of those int he iBook, plus, you are now talking about motherboard design, and many other factors. There could possibly be an iBook SE with a 14.1 inch screen and a G4 550 for say 1800, but then you are going backwards in MHZ in a consumer laptop, and we all know about consumers. Maybe a 600 would fly, but I doubt it. I think that the iBook has been very successful for Apple, and will continue to be, so don't look for radical changes. ;)

ankhman
May 17, 2002, 12:09 PM
I would hope that apple goes to a G4 in the iBook. Some
of their moves in the last few months (tiBook update and
XServe) somewhat suggest that Apple is getting a
bit bolder.

Lets hope they dump the G3. I personally think (and
have read on other forums) that Mac OS X performance
on the G3 iBooks is poor. Some of latest iApps from Apple
get a real benefit from a G4. Newer versions of the GNU
compiller 3.x and beyond will have Altivec extension
support.

Just me $0.02

katchow
May 17, 2002, 12:25 PM
people are still clamoring about colors? though it still would be kinda nice...i think that idea has been played out (way out)...they really needed to move on...i think multi-colored George Foreman grills probably drove that point home. Its not hard to see that apple has moved their entire line to a clean, elegant, art gallery kind-of-look....which i give kudos to.

did anyone hear the rumor from another forum that they will speed-bump the G3 (to who-knows-what), increase screen res, and go ahead and drop a 32 mb video in it...sounds feesible....

tuesday sounds like a pretty good date for me...they dont want to miss all the education sales coming up...

katchow

OSeXy!
May 17, 2002, 12:31 PM
What about built-in BlueTooth? It would make some sense for it to debut on the iBook...

barkmonster
May 17, 2002, 12:37 PM
The argument is the cost issue, Apple would be able to order absolutely loads of them, think about it, A Chip fails at 800Mhz, they knock it down to 667Mhz if it works at that speed, if not, they knock it down to 550Mhz. They could pretty much buy all their laptop chips in 1 huge order, using the lower speed ones in the lesser models while saving a fortune with it being such a high quantity of chips.

I doubt they would release G4 iBooks yet though, but it would make sense for something like that to happen if they did.

I think we'll see a speed bump to maybe 600 & 700Mhz and the graphics will be updated to a lower clocked version of the 32Mb Mobile Radeon so Quartz Extreme will work on these machines but the costs will be lower for them and the performance won't be as high as the radeon chips the TiBooks use.

I'd love to see a consumer G4 portable for about £1,100 including V.A.T. at some stage though, I think it would sell like crazy if they used G4s in some but not all models of the iBook, I don't think we'll see a G4 iBook yet though, maybe January at next years MWSF.

scarbrd
May 17, 2002, 12:40 PM
I don't see how Steve Jobs can get to his goal of 5 million OS X users by the end of the year without going to G4's in just about everything. Combine that with the 32 MB video recommendations of Jaguar (10.2) and I do not see much value in a new notebook of any kind that won't run optimally in the OS that Apple wants us to use.
Anything less than a G4 and improved video would just prolong the need for Apple to promote OS 9 even longer. :confused:

Backtothemac
May 17, 2002, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by scarbrd
I don't see how Steve Jobs can get to his goal of 5 million OS X users by the end of the year without going to G4's in just about everything. Combine that with the 32 MB video recommendations of Jaguar (10.2) and I do not see much value in a new notebook of any kind that won't run optimally in the OS that Apple wants us to use.
Anything less than a G4 and improved video would just prolong the need for Apple to promote OS 9 even longer. :confused:

I couldn't disagree more. My iBook 600 with 384 ram runs very well. In fact I am very happy with its performance, and from what I hear from people that are developers, and have x.2 say that it is better even without QE being optimized. My G3 iMac runs even better because it has a gig of ram. An iBook runing at 750 or 800 mhz would do very well with X. Don't always believe what you read. Go get a hold of one yourself, and you will see.

Mr. Anderson
May 17, 2002, 12:57 PM
Its been posted elsewhere that IBM has made 1GHz G3s, so why not expect these if they're available? I am. To convert the architecture at this point to a G4 doesn't make sense since you would have to totally redesign the mobo. If its just a small upgrade they'll be staying with the G3.

Besides, it would be very hard to justify the cost for performance vs. the TiPB. They'd loose sales. Won't happen quite just yet. I wouldn't be surprised if we won't see it until the TiPB goes G5.

GeorgeC97
May 17, 2002, 01:17 PM
hey everyone -

i would definitely consider myself 'the consumer.' I'm a med student, i don't use any graphic intensive apps at all --- basically I want internet and Microsoft Office and a few other things here and there like watching movies and whatnot.

besides that, the big thing about computers now a days is 'the digital hub' that apple has been promoting. mp3 players and digital cameras are huge (or at least they are really gaining popularity in the general consumer market)....

the major programs in OS X iPhoto and iTunes have been optimized for Altivec.... wouldn't it make sense for apple to have the ibook upgraded to utilize programs such as these?

i'm not sure about this -- but do programs like iphoto and iTunes work a lot better with the G4 compared w/ the G3- or are they still 'less intensive.'

my thought - i was looking at the apple website for the emac and the tibook, and they kept on saying, "you wanted this" -- we gave you that , "you wanted more bla bla bla" -- you got it.
Everyone's been wanting a g4 ibook (mostly everyone) -- I hope they do it

thoughts -- specifically about "THE DIGITAL HUB and the Consumer needs?"

Oh yeah, just a question, is buying a G3 TODAY the equivalent of buying a PII? I remember my roommate bought a PII 4 years ago, and my other friend bought a G3 back then too. just a thought.

djniche
May 17, 2002, 01:19 PM
As far as the G4 I wouldnt want it to back to 550 mhz g4
it would be just a phycological let down.
I think 633 G4 or 733 G4 would make sense still not matching the powerbook.
I would also expect the powerbook to reach a 1ghz to further itself from the ibook if we see G4. This of course maybe by the end of the year.

I brought up colors in the new ibook - I wasn't thiking lime, and the other colors.. I was thinking more of a metallic (PB like) or futuristic darker look to it.

Rocketman
May 17, 2002, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by scarbrd
I don't see how Steve Jobs can get to his goal of 5 million OS X users by the end of the year without going to G4's in just about everything. Combine that with the 32 MB video recommendations of Jaguar (10.2) and I do not see much value in a new notebook of any kind that won't run optimally in the OS that Apple wants us to use.
Anything less than a G4 and improved video would just prolong the need for Apple to promote OS 9 even longer. :confused:

I fully agree with this post.

Apple has a long history of selling "crippleware" at the low end do differentiate the higher end machines and encourage up shoppping. But the consequence of this in the iBooks is planned obsolence from day 1. This is the crown jewel of the education strategy.

I would encourage them to sync the iBook with the eMac so all machines can run the same OS, software and admin tools and all with reasonable speed. The practical speed improvement of the G4 over the G3 is indeed significant and with the lower end G4's not being much more than the G3's now it is making sense for them to be used.

Do I think Apple will do it? No! Of course not. They seem to need a crippleware bottom end product.

The iBook is sweet on OS9 but Apple is 100% OSX as of WWDC. Anything else is planned obsolescence at the time of purchase. Something I thought it was Dell's job to do.

Rocketman

popper
May 17, 2002, 01:39 PM
I do not believe it will hit G4, and I do believe the 12 " might die if the previous rumors of low production is true. If the cost of 12 " is higher than the 14", it would be difiicult to make an intelligent price plan without taking a hit on the 12". Knowing Apple: I donīt think so :-)

On the other side, its interesting to see that the eMac has G4 and that Xserve now is running G4. Apple should be able to get a very nice price on their volumes now. Beside eMac is a educational maschine and the iBook has been targeted against that marked in several speeches from Steve.

I do believe we will see G5 in the powermacs to hit MWNY. Several rumors points in that direction and the decission to put G4 in imacs and the low upgrade of the powermacs earlier this year really nails it. (the current G4 can be delivered in 1.6 Ghz with 2.0 later this year. But the G5 starts at 800-1200Mhz but the 1200 mhz bangs the intel p4 2.0 in spec2000!. And this is just the beginning!)

The chip is supposed to have been in production closed to 4 months now with no new rumors in delay, whitch tells us that yeilds should start to improve.

The big problem with G5, which explains why we would not see it in Xserve and laptops in some times, is it need for power and thus the heating problem. This ting will need a _good_ fan.

I think the most problematic part of G5 is the new chipset; there is a new memory access and some other features that need a lot of work, but even if they cant be delivered on MWNY ; I will bet a good solid dollar that it will be presented.

iBook G4 ? best bet; August 02 or if there is now way to bump the tiBook : MWSF 2003

Powerbook G5? Only God knows.

ryan
May 17, 2002, 01:49 PM
Regardless of the processor used, Apple has to keep the speed of the iBook below that of the TiPB from a marketing standpoint if nothing else. Yes, there are 1Ghz G3s out there but how would it look to Joe or Jane Customer if they saw an Apple consumer laptop that is 200Mhz faster than their pro line? I would suspect we wonít see a G4 in the iBook until the TiPB hits 1Ghz, so probably sometime in early 2003.

I hope that they never move the entire iBook line to 14Ē screens since that absolutely kills the portability of the machine. While the iBook is only slightly lighter than the TiPB it, in my experience, is far more portable due to its overall smaller form factor. Before the iBook (Dual USB) came out I was very close to replacing my Pismo with a Dell or IBM since I found my PowerBook just too big and would never take it with me. I still think Apple needs a ~3lb laptop but until then Iíll stick with the iBook line as long as they donít get any bigger.

blakespot
May 17, 2002, 01:55 PM
I hope we see 100MHz bus on the low end. I am buying one of these units. Selling hardware, arranging finances presently.



blakespot

mcrain
May 17, 2002, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by GeorgeC97
I'm a med student.

What year? My wife graduates on Sunday and becomes Dr. instead of just Mrs. Where are you going to school? Any questions for someone who's been there, done that, I'd be happy to pass along.

Back onto topic, the best thing apple could do is release an ibook with a g5 in it. WHAT you say, a G5, they couldn't put that in a consumer computer first.

I'd say, imagine how you'd all wet your pants if an ibook with a g5 came out and steve said to just wait till you see what he's unveiling at MWNY for the pros.

ftaok
May 17, 2002, 02:23 PM
1. An updated iBook will have a 100mhz bus across the board. If we are to have G4s, then we'll get 500, 550, 600, 650, etc. There will be no 533 or 667s, as these would require a 133 bus.

2. I agree with Barkmonster that G4s don't pose much of a cost issue. They've been putting these suckers into so many Macs, that the economies of scale have taken over.

3. Everyone who's clamoring over the Sahara G3 is misguided. Does anyone know if these G3s are pin compatible with the current 750cx? Does anyone know how much these cost?

4. The cost of redesigning the motherboard is neglible. If they bring out a G4 iBook on Tuesday, that means that they've been working on it since at least last December (or so).

4a. If they were to use a Sahara G3 to it's fullest potential (200mhz bus), wouldn't that require a redesigned mobo as well? Think about that.

5. A 650 G4 in an iBook is not faster than a 667 G4 in the TiBook. The bus and video card have a lot to do with it.

6. I don't think that putting in a 16MB Radeon into the iBook is a bad idea. It separates the i and the Ti. Plus it should be able to run QE.

That's all I can think of for now.

Tokyo
May 17, 2002, 02:32 PM
Let's all get a grip here: the G3 is not crippled under Jaguar, despite the impression caused by the Radeon/32MB VRAM specs given at the WWDC. Just because that one out of ten main upgrade points isn't optimized for current iBooks doesn't mean the iBook will be glacial. Pay attention to the many reports that clearly state that Jaguar runs much better on G3s than 10.1.x.

I fully agree with the above notes that the G4 would be too much--high costs and new architecture. And remember, not everything depends on AltiVec. The G3 is not the Pentium II, it is more like the Pentium III, still with some life left. I mean, fer cryin' out loud, the P2?? Like I said, get a grip.

The G3 is not a cripple. Pump up the performance by 100MHz, get the system bus up to 100MHz, give it a Radeon graphics chip with enough VRAM to take at least some advantage of QE, and you have a pretty darned respectable machine for a low price. It's not the TiBook, but then that's why you pay so much less for it. For an average consumer not running Photoshop and not obsessed with ultra speed, it runs great. We have an iBook 500 at my office and it does everything we need, including digital video.


Tokyo

arn
May 17, 2002, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by mcrain


What year? My wife graduates on Sunday and becomes Dr. instead of just Mrs. Where are you going to school? Any questions for someone who's been there, done that, I'd be happy to pass along.

not to take this off topic... but where's your wife doing residency?

arn

drastik
May 17, 2002, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by Backtothemac


I couldn't disagree more. My iBook 600 with 384 ram runs very well. In fact I am very happy with its performance, and from what I hear from people that are developers, and have x.2 say that it is better even without QE being optimized

B2TM is dead on again, my G3/400 runs X woderfully wiht half a gig. Its no quick silver but it works great on the road and almost as well when its plugged into my old seventeen inch studio monitor. I wouldn't kill the G3 yet. I think the 12" screen is a great option too.

If you take the idea the a 12" is cheaper than a 14", you can just speand the extra cash on on an outside display.

ftaok
May 17, 2002, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Tokyo
[B]Let's all get a grip here: the G3 is not crippled under Jaguar, despite the impression caused by the Radeon/32MB VRAM specs given at the WWDC. Just because that one out of ten main upgrade points isn't optimized for current iBooks doesn't mean the iBook will be glacial. Pay attention to the many reports that clearly state that Jaguar runs much better on G3s than 10.1.x.Agreed!

I fully agree with the above notes that the G4 would be too much--high costs and new architecture. And remember, not everything depends on AltiVec. The G3 is not the Pentium II, it is more like the Pentium III, still with some life left. I mean, fer cryin' out loud, the P2?? Like I said, get a grip.OK, not everything depends on Altivec, but the system is optimized for it. We need Altivec on the iBook. And I don't agree that the G4 would cost significantly more than a G3. Apple has been buying so many G4s, that they probably get a great price. Now, if they were to go G3, then they'd be buying a whole lot less of them, so maybe they don't get a discount.

The G3 is not a cripple. Pump up the performance by 100MHz, get the system bus up to 100MHz, give it a Radeon graphics chip with enough VRAM to take at least some advantage of QE, and you have a pretty darned respectable machine for a low price. It's not the TiBook, but then that's why you pay so much less for it. For an average consumer not running Photoshop and not obsessed with ultra speed, it runs great. We have an iBook 500 at my office and it does everything we need, including digital video.The system bus is already at 100mhz. I agree that the video card will get bumped. Oh yeah, even consumers are obsessed with speed.

Tommy!
May 17, 2002, 03:09 PM
I definetly agree with the fact that Apple needs to have G4+ processors across the board to see good performance with osx and encourage users to switch permanently. I also agree with ftaok's predictions. I think that iBook really needs a G4 and probably will have one, if not this time most def. next time. And I can't say this enough, but similar processor speeds in the consumer and pro models is no big deal! Look at the iMac and Powermac right now. They are pretty close. And those who do not know the difference between the processors in pro and consumer machines should have the consumer machines anyway. They would spend less and be happy to know that their machines run at a similar clock speed to the more expensive machines.

by the way... is macworld going to be any fun at all? They've released everything! Does anyone think an imac speed bump will happed at mwny? I think that imacs will be pushed to 900-1000 MHz for the top end. I dont even have a powermac guess.

Moxiemike
May 17, 2002, 03:50 PM
One thing to keep in mind here is that when the iBook was released it was released at 500 Mhz in May of 2001. The TiBook at that point was a g4 at 500 at the high end, 400 at the low end. And no one really wet their pants about perceived speed differences. If you enter the iBook at 550 g4 as has been said and take it up to maybe a 600 or 650 g4, no one is gonna mind. The pros know why they buy a Ti.....

I think the idea of 16mb of VRAM isn't a bad idea. What everyone seems to forget is that QE RECOMMENDS 32mb of Vram. It WILL work on an AGP card that has 16..... so that's what I think we'll see.

I do think they need to bump the RAM up to 256 in maybe the second model only. If the low end appeals primarily to education, then I think they'll be ok with 128, as much of edu is still stuck in os9 land.

Now, as for iBook SE, I think we're onto something. Here's what i think the break could be:

550 G4/128/20/CD-RW/12" - $1099
600 G4/256/30/Combo/12" - $1399
650 G4/256/30/Combo/12" - $1599
650 G4/256/40/Combo/14" - $1799 (SE?)

All 100mhz bus, 16mb video card (supported by QE)

The extra price you pay (700 bucks) for the TiBook is easily justified by the 667 G4, 133 bus, 1mb backside cache (maybe the iBook has 256 like the iMac) and the 32 mb video card. and the gigabit ethernet.

As far as motherboard issues go, didn't apple just mod a G3 motherboard for the inital G4 350s? Could they not do that again? You'd get altivec performance as well as QE...and G4!

Am I on target or no?

badika
May 17, 2002, 06:01 PM
It's entertaining, although perplexing, to see how many of you don't want Apple to move forward in their hardware. G4 is a forward migration. OSX and iApps are optimized for it. OSX will continue to be optimized for higher end hardware, not (legacy) G3 hardware. Consumers use iApps, pros can and do updgrade from iApps. There are major differences between the TiBook and iBook, and even a novice pro can see the tool he needs. The Ti's gear, and especially its L3 cache, will always keep their G4s ahead of similar Ghz iBook G4s.

More important than all this hot air, is the fact that Apple's market position in total education sales has recently fallen dramatically from 37% in '99 to just 25% this year(tied with Dell, but not tied against the Wintel faction) The eMac was designed to fight this issue from a hardware front. 700MhzG4 32MB vid ram, 17inch screen and under $1,000. If Apple's salesforce has had any say in this rumored update, the specs of the new iBook will come close to the eMac.

So, all you "keep the G3's" and "let's not make another wow product to woo our fleeing customers" should offer our e-sales force some advice on how to hawk your dream iBook. Because, if you're right, they're going to need it.

Backtothemac
May 17, 2002, 06:14 PM
OMG!!!!

Look I don't know what it will take for some of you to understand, but we would ALL love to have a G4 iBook. The fact is that it is was too expensive of a processor to put in the iBook. The iBook is a consumer laptop, and will be. The G5, now that will change the G4 status in the iBook.

Period!

billiam0878
May 17, 2002, 06:43 PM
So we've got the PowerMac/PowerBook, the iMac/iBook and the lonely little eMac-- how about an eBook? Here are what I think could be possible specs for an updated iBook and an eBook:

eBook:

$1099: 12.1-inch Screen, 600 MHz G3, 20 GB, 128MB RAM, CD-ROM
$1299" 12.1-inch Screen, 600 MHz G3, 20 GB, 256MB RAM, COMBO

iBook:

$1299: 14.1-inch Screen, 600 MHz G3, 20 GB, 128 MB RAM, CD-ROM
$1499: 14.1-inch Screen, 600 MHz G3, 20 GB, 256 MB RAM, COMBO
$1799: 14.1-inch Screen, 700 MHz G3, 30 GB, 256 MB RAM, COMBO

Just an idea, your thoughts?

Thanks
Bill

Falleron
May 18, 2002, 05:06 AM
Here is my prediction. NO G4's!!

G3 600 + 700Mhz (possibly even 800Mhz)
256Mb RAM (needed for OSX)
Same screen sizes (Higher resolution on 14" model)
16Mb Graphics
20 / 30Gb HD
100Mhz Bus

This is what we will get, a small speed bump. Then, in august time (when OSX.2 is out there will be a major bump to a G4). Then, TiBook will be up Ghz speeds.

ftaok
May 18, 2002, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by Backtothemac
OMG!!!!

Look I don't know what it will take for some of you to understand, but we would ALL love to have a G4 iBook. The fact is that it is was too expensive of a processor to put in the iBook. The iBook is a consumer laptop, and will be. The G5, now that will change the G4 status in the iBook.

Period! Who says that the G4 is too expensive for the iBook? Here's a fact, if Apple were to use an 800+ mhz G3, they'd be using the brand new 750fx, not the tried and true 750cx. As of today, no one has used the 750fx, for whatever reason.

Can anyone here tell me that Apple can get 750fx G3s significantly cheaper than they can get the G4s (the ones in the iMac and older TiBooks)? Here's something to chew on. If Apple goes 750fx on iBooks, then they'd be buying x number of 750fx (x=number of iBooks shipped). If Apple goes G4, then they'd be buying x+y+z number of G4 (y=number of iMacs shipped, z=number of eMacs shipped).

Hey, I'm no business major, but even I can see that there's a huge potential savings there just from buying in bulk. NEW RUMOR - Apple is shopping at Costco.

Backtothemac
May 18, 2002, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by ftaok
Who says that the G4 is too expensive for the iBook? Here's a fact, if Apple were to use an 800+ mhz G3, they'd be using the brand new 750fx, not the tried and true 750cx. As of today, no one has used the 750fx, for whatever reason.

Can anyone here tell me that Apple can get 750fx G3s significantly cheaper than they can get the G4s (the ones in the iMac and older TiBooks)? Here's something to chew on. If Apple goes 750fx on iBooks, then they'd be buying x number of 750fx (x=number of iBooks shipped). If Apple goes G4, then they'd be buying x+y+z number of G4 (y=number of iMacs shipped, z=number of eMacs shipped).

Hey, I'm no business major, but even I can see that there's a huge potential savings there just from buying in bulk. NEW RUMOR - Apple is shopping at Costco.

WTF? Ok, never mind the logic here, but yes a G4 is much, much more expensive than a G3. Actually I am hearing that the G4 may appear in the SE, other than that it will be G3 accross the board, because that is all the iBook NEEDS is the G3.

King Cobra
May 18, 2002, 09:58 AM
Now I do not want to get into a flame war, flame battle, or box social (LOL) but I thought that since G3 speeds at or above 1000MHz were hard to achieve, the prices of these G3s are high. I am saying this, because I know I saw some guys arguing about it somewhere on the forums, but I cannot remember where.

So, eventually, in some years time, when the overall processor speed averages 1000 to 1200MHz, the prices of fast G3s may not descend. So the iBook will have to gain a G4 processor, even if it needs to be at the same speed as the G3s it used to have.
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ftaok
May 19, 2002, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Backtothemac
WTF? Ok, never mind the logic here, but yes a G4 is much, much more expensive than a G3. Actually I am hearing that the G4 may appear in the SE, other than that it will be G3 accross the board, because that is all the iBook NEEDS is the G3. OK, I know that the 750cx is cheap. But most of the G3 people are clamoring for the 750fx (the one that goes to 1Ghz). How much do these cost? Keep in mind that Apple would only be buying these for the iBooks and nothing else.

The G4s that I'm thinking that Apple would be using for the iBook would be the ones that they use in the LCD iMac and eMac. Looking at that, Apple would be purchasing about 3x as many "lo-end" G4s as they would the "hi-end" G3. I'm not saying that the G4 would be cheaper than the G3. I'm just asking whether the G3 would be significantly cheaper than the G4.