To all the 3G battery complainers.....

[anim8or]

Why do you NEED 3G active all of the time?

I was under the impression 3G was beneficial for when you were surfing, or something of that nature.....

NOT beneficial for phoneing, texting, listening to music, watching videos, etc!

I have planned to have 3G, GPS (Location Services) and WiFi off unless i need them, just like i do with my current 2.5G iPhone....

Can someone explain to me why the NEED 3G at all times?

No wonder you are getting low battery times!

[7on]

higher voice quality

[djwobble]

Why do you NEED 3G active all of the time?

I was under the impression 3G was beneficial for when you were surfing, or something of that nature.....

NOT beneficial for phoneing, texting, listening to music, watching videos, etc!

I have planned to have 3G, GPS (Location Services) and WiFi off unless i need them, just like i do with my current 2.5G iPhone....

Can someone explain to me why the NEED 3G at all times?

No wonder you are getting low battery times!

Don't mean to be rude but this is somewhat of a duplicate post... have you been reading what 3G does? Try searching the forums for 3G usage. You'll notice you would LIKE 3G for youtube, streaming music, etc... Just try to search around these forums and you will find many uses for 3g. :)

[johny5]

I am really interested in looking at times for these turned on/off when the iphone is just in standby mode, then I can choose what I would like to have on or off.
At the moment when I had 3g and push on overnight when the phone was sleeping, I got up to find that the battery only had 10% left which I thought was shocking.
Going to try and start doing some overnight tests myself but hope someone comes up with some details first :p

[ert3]

higher voice quality

That and wider area of coverage in some locations

[tomjleeds]

I was under the impression 3G was beneficial for when you were surfing, or something of that nature.....

NOT beneficial for phoneing, texting, listening to music, watching videos, etc!

3G is a replacement for GSM, not a replacement for GPRS/EDGE. It does both voice calls and data, so yes you will benefit from 3G for voice calls.

The biggest battery drains are probably push and GPS.

[Bobak]

Why do you NEED 3G active all of the time?

I was under the impression 3G was beneficial for when you were surfing, or something of that nature.....

NOT beneficial for phoneing, texting, listening to music, watching videos, etc!

I have planned to have 3G, GPS (Location Services) and WiFi off unless i need them, just like i do with my current 2.5G iPhone....

Can someone explain to me why the NEED 3G at all times?

No wonder you are getting low battery times!

Sorry this thread is pointless, most people are aware of how to increase the battery life of their phones, The people who are complaining clearly have defective batteries. With 3G off i got about 3 hours usage on my phone. Just face it apple messed up a batch of iPhone and shipped them with battery problems. there is no need to defend them, make out that there is no issue and try and tell user that they should be using their phones differently.

[ooo]

18 hrs standby
1:15 hr usage

Battery is probably at 90% is there way I can find out the exact number?

I'm on edge / wifi. I had it on 3g yesterday and my reception was horrible. I was only receiving 2 bars and 0 in some locations. Now I am receiving 5. I guess I'll be sticking with edge and occasionally turning on the 3g when I'm in the city and away from wifi accessible areas.

[anim8or]

I have never had any voice quality problems/complaints about my 2.5G iphone so thats why 3G for voice doesnt really cut it with me...

As for this:

You'll notice you would LIKE 3G for youtube, streaming music, etc...

Is this not covered by my previous statement;

I was under the impression 3G was beneficial for when you were surfing, or something of that nature.....

Nobody uses these feature at all times just infrequently so again i can pose the question, WHY have it on at ALL times?

It seems like there are a lot of lazy folk who cant be bothered to go into prefs and turn stuff off!!!

[goodcow]

Why do you NEED 3G active all of the time?

I was under the impression 3G was beneficial for when you were surfing, or something of that nature.....

NOT beneficial for phoneing, texting, listening to music, watching videos, etc!

I have planned to have 3G, GPS (Location Services) and WiFi off unless i need them, just like i do with my current 2.5G iPhone....

Can someone explain to me why the NEED 3G at all times?

No wonder you are getting low battery times!

I didn't pay $300 for a phone with a $75 monthly plan to micromanage and babysit it like this. The battery life is garbage. Period. I may return the phone as a result and go back to Verizon, who I didn't even want to switch from in the first place, because AT&T sucks compared to Verizon.

I LOVE this phone. I HATE this battery.

Apple should update the firmware to dynamically switch between EDGE and 3G based on bandwidth need.

What's the point of a 3G phone if I have to keep it off to save battery? Let me buy a $20 EDGE with 200 SMS plan then instead. Oh wait, I can't, because AT&T is a horrible company.

[digitalfx]

Why do you NEED 3G active all of the time?

I was under the impression 3G was beneficial for when you were surfing, or something of that nature.....

NOT beneficial for phoneing, texting, listening to music, watching videos, etc!

I have planned to have 3G, GPS (Location Services) and WiFi off unless i need them, just like i do with my current 2.5G iPhone....

Can someone explain to me why the NEED 3G at all times?

No wonder you are getting low battery times!

Because its a 3G phone!

Why should I be forced to turn off the very function that makes the phone practical? It really doesnt make sense does it? Other manufactures have been delivering 3G phones for 2+ years, they dont require that you turn off 3G to have a reasonable battery life.

3G is important because it allows simultaneous data and voice (w/ 3G off your calls go to voicemail while you are using data- also if you are on a call and need to download an email, it wont happen)

It offers better quality voice

It offers far faster Exchange connections

Its a feature that you shouldnt have to turn on/off

[anim8or]

18 hrs standby
1:15 hr usage

Battery is probably at 90% is there way I can find out the exact number?

I'm on edge / wifi. I had it on 3g yesterday and my reception was horrible. I was only receiving 2 bars and 0 in some locations. Now I am receiving 5. I guess I'll be sticking with edge and occasionally turning on the 3g when I'm in the city and away from wifi accessible areas.

Good! Thats what i want to hear.



Apple should update the firmware to dynamically switch between EDGE and 3G based on bandwidth need.

What's the point of a 3G phone if I have to keep it off to save battery? Let me buy a $20 EDGE with 200 SMS plan then instead. Oh wait, I can't, because AT&T is a horrible company.

Seems like you hate AT&T more... good point about the dynamic switching though.

Does anyone have stats on similar 3G smartphones battery times....

you the ones that have mp3/mp4, full web browser, large touch screen, etc.....?????

[digitalfx]

Nobody uses these feature at all times just infrequently so again i can pose the question, WHY have it on at ALL times?



speak for yourself...I use it all the time. w/o 3G all your calls go to voicemail while you are using data, this is the single biggest disadvantage to EDGE.

Just because you dont use your phone doesnt mean the rest of us dont.

[anim8or]

speak for yourself...I use it all the time. w/o 3G all your calls go to voicemail while you are using data, this is the single biggest disadvantage to EDGE.

Just because you dont use your phone doesnt mean the rest of us dont.

So because i dont sit on YouTube all day or surfing the web on my phone this means i dont use my phone! :rolleyes:

I thought the theory of the iPhone was to have your phone do everythingnot just calls and text, not to have a multimedia device that also has a phone!

MY iPhone replaces the need to carry a separate ipod, showreel DVDs and/or a laptop for surfing/emails... everything in 1 device, not doing everything at once!

[Bobak]

Seems like you hate AT&T more... good point about the dynamic switching though.

Does anyone have stats on similar 3G smartphones battery times....

you the ones that have mp3/mp4, full web browser, large touch screen, etc.....?????


I dont mean to be rude anim8or, but you're showing some serious fanboy traits. Look we get it the iPhone is a great phone no one here would have stood in a queue to buy one if they though otherwise but you really need to get over this defending it to the grave business. If people have phones with defective batteries which are lasting less than the advertised time (of 5 hours) they will almost certainly complain about it. Anyone with a defective battery should contact Apple and have theirs fixed I dont think any appreciate you telling them that its their fault that their phones battery is awful.

[drchipinski]

Why do you NEED 3G active all of the time?

I was under the impression 3G was beneficial for when you were surfing, or something of that nature.....

NOT beneficial for phoneing, texting, listening to music, watching videos, etc!

I have planned to have 3G, GPS (Location Services) and WiFi off unless i need them, just like i do with my current 2.5G iPhone....

Can someone explain to me why the NEED 3G at all times?

No wonder you are getting low battery times!

Why even offer 3G then?

[anim8or]

I dont mean to be rude anim8or, but you're showing some serious fanboy traits. Look we get it the iPhone is a great phone no one here would have stood in a queue to buy one if they though otherwise but you really need to get over this defending it to the grave business. If people have phones with defective batteries which are lasting less than the advertised time (of 5 hours) they will almost certainly complain about it. Anyone with a defective battery should contact Apple and have theirs fixed I dont think any appreciate you telling them that its their fault that their phones battery is awful.

I started this thread posing the question Why have 3G on at all times... it was directed at complainers who say that the battery life is dismal NOT those who have valid claims of defectiveness!

Point out to me where this may have been suggested and i will retract it!

As a user of MacRumors i think it is obvious that i love apple, have done for a long time now, surely you are too being here debating with me?

My point is that the 'real' complainers (those who get a decent battery life but are unhappy) post that they get low battery times when 'only using the phone for calls for an hour, maybe some light browsing, watched a episode of 'the office' listened to the iPod on the way home from work and it died!'

The phone specs clearly state 5 hours of 'Talk Time', 5 hrs of 3G web use, 7 hours video and 24 music.

These are individual, as in 5 hours ONLY talking, 5 hours ONLY surfing, etc not all combined!

It is to those out there who expect doing a little of everything should guarantee them over 5 hours that i am tired of hear complaints from.

[michaelmaxwell2]

Awww you can never make people happy. This was the main reason why apple did not create 3g because it sucks battery and it does not effectively use the battery. But most of us said to hell with that we want 3g so they created it. Its not their fault that they simply could not make the battery stretch to 6 billion hours. And we would complain if the battery was bigger and we would have a huge brick for a phone. Just get over it and shut off the 3g when not in use.

[anim8or]

Why even offer 3G then?

why offer a touch screen! Silly question! Because its what the consumer has asked for... innovation, speed, up to date technology!

[domcole]

w/o 3G all your calls go to voicemail while you are using data, this is the single biggest disadvantage to EDGE.

I haven't got my iPhone yet, hopfully getting it on Tuesday. So, if I have 3G turned off, and I'm on Safari via Wi-Fi and I get a call, does this mean that it will go straight to voicemail?

Any help would be appreciated.

[anim8or]

Awww you can never make people happy. This was the main reason why apple did not create 3g because it sucks battery and it does not effectively use the battery. But most of us said to hell with that we want 3g so they created it. Its not their fault that they simply could not make the battery stretch to 6 billion hours. And we would complain if the battery was bigger and we would have a huge brick for a phone. Just get over it and shut off the 3g when not in use.

Hear Hear!

[michaelmaxwell2]

I haven't got my iPhone yet, hopfully getting it on Tuesday. So, if I have 3G turned off, and I'm on Safari via Wi-Fi and I get a call, does this mean that it will go straight to voicemail?

Any help would be appreciated.

IF you on edge you can only surf the web or make a call on 3g it has two bands so you can do both. on wifi you can do both

[goodcow]

Awww you can never make people happy. This was the main reason why apple did not create 3g because it sucks battery and it does not effectively use the battery. But most of us said to hell with that we want 3g so they created it. Its not their fault that they simply could not make the battery stretch to 6 billion hours. And we would complain if the battery was bigger and we would have a huge brick for a phone. Just get over it and shut off the 3g when not in use.

Except if you turn 3G off, you're paying $30 for data with no SMS now.

If Apple/AT&T offered an EDGE phone, or at least an EDGE/200SMS for $20 plan for the 3G phone (to keep GPS) then I'd be much less pissed.

[Michael CM1]

For all the people claiming 3G has better voice quality: does it? Most people I know don't use a 3G phone. They use a crappy landline or your run-of-the-mill cell phone. Therefore, you will probably only get better voice quality when talking to someone else either on 3G or on VoIP. Kinda like if someone with FIOS tried to download something remotely off a server connected via dial-up. The crappier connection is what you'll get.

[michaelmaxwell2]

Except if you turn 3G off, you're paying $30 for data with no SMS now.

If Apple/AT&T offered an EDGE phone, or at least an EDGE/200SMS for $20 plan for the 3G phone (to keep GPS) then I'd be much less pissed.

Well that was the option you took, neither att or apple put a gun to your head and said upgrade or die. Most of us understand that 3g and gps sucks the crap out of the battery. If you don't like it just return the phone and wait till technology advances, and second all phones that has 3g does the same thing battery dies quickly.

[anim8or]

Except if you turn 3G off, you're paying $30 for data with no SMS now.

If Apple/AT&T offered an EDGE phone, or at least an EDGE/200SMS for $20 plan for the 3G phone (to keep GPS) then I'd be much less pissed.

Im a little confused by this post....

Do u not get SMS when 3G is off???

[michaelmaxwell2]

Im a little confused by this post....

Do u not get SMS when 3G is off???

lol no he is stating that the price of the planing now is we pay more and dont get sms. They must understand that its a pda phone and we now on the pda plan things don't last forever. They need just be happy for what they had.

[anim8or]

To both michael's.. thank you for helping people to try and see my point!

It would be good if someone could find some actual battery reports from SIMILAR SPEC 3G phones if there are many!

lol no he is stating that the price of the planing now is we pay more and dont get sms. They must understand that its a pda phone and we now on the pda plan things don't last forever. They need just be happy for what they had.

Well thats a different issue! One you should take up with AT&T.. look at the canadians, they were pissed at their prospective plans and they voiced it!

The O2 deals may not be the best but we get unlimited data, 'x' amount of mins and 'x' amount of SMS.... at least O2 got something right, seems AT&T have dropped the ball with this one!

[michaelmaxwell2]

To both michael's.. thank you for helping people to try and see my point!

It would be good if someone could find some actual battery reports from SIMILAR SPEC 3G phones if there are many!

I don't even think I would need to do that, the at&t tilt is only 4 hours talk time and don't even have 16gbs internal memory, nor full web browsing. I remember my t-mobile dash on EDGE only use to get around 3 hours of internet max.

[Bobak]

To both michael's.. thank you for helping people to try and see my point!

It would be good if someone could find some actual battery reports from SIMILAR SPEC 3G phones if there are many!

Well the N95 isn't exactly similar in specs, it has a better camera, and a few more features, but it is a pain to use and the music/game/internet feature leave a bit to be desired. it does however boast better 3G battery life. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/10/us_3g_costs_nokia_n95_a_mere_h.html

[goodcow]

Well that was the option you took, neither att or apple put a gun to your head and said upgrade or die. Most of us understand that 3g and gps sucks the crap out of the battery. If you don't like it just return the phone and wait till technology advances, and second all phones that has 3g does the same thing battery dies quickly.

And that's exactly what I'm considering doing. I just fired off my complaints to Steve, and I have 12 more days to decide if I want to keep this phone.

But you're wrong, this could be solved, partially, if AT&T (or Apple pressured them to) allowed an EDGE/200 SMS plan for 3G iPhones with the old pricing.

Battery life would be the same as first-gen, and they wouldn't be price gouging.

I'd be happy then, as would many others, I assume.

Or, Apple should just sell the EDGE phone again as an option. Both parties are to blame here.

[BongoBanger]

For all the people claiming 3G has better voice quality: does it?

Quite simply: Yes.

[michaelmaxwell2]

And that's exactly what I'm considering doing. I just fired off my complaints to Steve, and I have 12 more days to decide if I want to keep this phone.

But you're wrong, this could be solved, partially, if AT&T (or Apple pressured them to) allowed an EDGE/200 SMS plan for 3G iPhones with the old pricing.

Battery life would be the same as first-gen, and they wouldn't be price gouging.

I'd be happy then, as would many others, I assume.

Or, Apple should just sell the EDGE phone again as an option. Both parties are to blame here.

I doubt that its because of cheap pricing, apple makes their money regardless I doubt they will lower their quality of products because of pricing and risk ruining their regulation of good products. Also we should of been charged those pricing from the beginning of the first gen, we must face the fact that we got a discount and that discount is no longer available. The phone is a smart phone and we should of been charge the 30 dollars a month with no text messaging. And also complaining to Steve jobs would get no you where, most likely there is people like me reading those emails and disregarding them.

[digitalfx]

why offer a touch screen! Silly question! Because its what the consumer has asked for... innovation, speed, up to date technology!

First, 3G is hardly up to date technology, My HTC Titan had it 2 years ago, and I can keep 3G active, talk and surf all day and have battery left at 10pm. This is at least 2X the battery life of the iphone.

second, what the hell does the touch screen have to do with this discussion.

its a 3G phone! you shouldnt be expected to turn on/off 3G...PERIOD!

[gehrbox]

Why do you NEED 3G active all of the time?

3g makes Safari snappier :)

[goodcow]

I doubt that its because of cheap pricing, apple makes their money regardless I doubt they will lower their quality of products because of pricing and risk ruining their regulation of good products. Also we should of been charged those pricing from the beginning of the first gen, we must face the fact that we got a discount and that discount is no longer available. The phone is a smart phone and we should of been charge the 30 dollars a month with no text messaging. And also complaining to Steve jobs would get no you where, most likely there is people like me reading those emails and disregarding them.

Their reputation is already being attacked with high profile articles about the battery being a joke from sites like the NY Times.

The battery is a problem.

The problem needs to be addressed somehow.

And yes, complaining to Steve has met with success in the past. See: people's personal issues with repeated repairs, and the iPhone 2G price drop store credit.

EDIT: It's the damn complacency and irrational fanboyism here that lets these issues persist. I love Apple, but I try to hold their feet to the fire as best I can being just me. If all of us here did the same, they WOULD take notice and deal with these problems instead of you guys trying to find excuses for them.

[michaelmaxwell2]

First, 3G is hardly up to date technology, My HTC Titan had it 2 years ago, and I can keep 3G active, talk and surf all day and have battery left at 10pm. This is at least 2X the battery life of the iphone.

second, what the hell does the touch screen have to do with this discussion.

its a 3G phone! you shouldnt be expected to turn on/off 3G...PERIOD!

The touch screen has a lot to do with it, your htc titian is pressure sensitive where the Iphone has a electrical field on the screen, which will use up battery time. The Iphone's 3g chip has probably not advance thru the years from your 2 year phone and also did you check and see if the weight of the phones are the same?

Their reputation is already being attacked with high profile articles about the battery being a joke from sites like the NY Times.

The battery is a problem.

The problem needs to be addressed somehow.

And yes, complaining to Steve has met with success in the past. See: people's personal issues with repeated repairs, and the iPhone 2G price drop store credit.

You must understand when the first gen iphone was launched they all complained about the battery also, Then an update came and fixed the problem we only had the phone for 2 days we are yet to see if it is a battery meter problem. And also if you were to read the threads they are problems with the phone charging from sound decks and other products that supply power to the phone.

Also I am not trying to defend apple, its just that we need to notice that everything is not perfect . And we need to understand that we are talking about a phone, some people would swear that its a computer or a 6 million dollar entertainment system we are talking about.

[View]

It's a hassle to have to go to settings and turn it on/off.. Seems like someone at apple would be smart enough to write a program to auto manage this!

[michaelmaxwell2]

It's a hassle to have to go to settings and turn it on/off.. Seems like someone at apple would be smart enough to write a program to auto manage this!

Its a possibility that there is a program everyday there are new apps reviled everyday so all we can do is wait.

[eclipxe]

For all the people claiming 3G has better voice quality: does it? Most people I know don't use a 3G phone. They use a crappy landline or your run-of-the-mill cell phone. Therefore, you will probably only get better voice quality when talking to someone else either on 3G or on VoIP. Kinda like if someone with FIOS tried to download something remotely off a server connected via dial-up. The crappier connection is what you'll get.

It does have better voice quality. I think you are misunderstanding how cell phones work. When you place a call to someone else, you have a connection to the tower. The tower connects via copper/fiber/satellite to the central switch and handles the routing to the other person. If you are on 3G, you have a better quality connection to the tower, so the audio you send and receive will be better, more tolerant to lower signal qualities. Doesn't matter what the other person is using, as their voice data is all going to the tower and then being re-broadcast down to you (it isn't a peer to peer connection).

[eclipxe]

Its a possibility that there is a program everyday there are new apps reviled everyday so all we can do is wait.

There won't be a program to do this, at least from a third party and doubtful from Apple. Third party developers don't have access to things like the phone settings.

[Jamo]

I remember when I got my first gen iPhone on launch, I played with it NON-STOP and as a result my battery was dying quickly. I was constantly tinkering with it, checking mail, surfing sites when my MBP was right next to me. You know what happened? A few weeks went by and before I knew it I was going 5 days at a time without a charge! Same thing is happening now, I've got my 3G out all the time, playing, sending emails, watching videos, looking at pictures, checking weather, talking on AIM, etc. Another couple weeks of this and it'll go back to only being used when needed, not as a toy, and I'll again start going days between charges.

I'm not worried.

Also, for comparison, when I got a BlackJack a couple years ago, that sucker came with TWO batteries...and that was for a good reason. With no way to turn off 3G you would suck a battery dry in just a few hours of use, it was HORRIBLE. I was actually nervous to get the 3G iPhone because of that experience, but so far, I've been very happy.


I haven't got my iPhone yet, hopfully getting it on Tuesday. So, if I have 3G turned off, and I'm on Safari via Wi-Fi and I get a call, does this mean that it will go straight to voicemail?

Any help would be appreciated.

Don't know what these guys are talking about, no clue. When I'm using Safari (on my first gen) and get a call, a screen pops up with the caller id and asks me to answer or decline, if I answer safari pauses and picks up again when I hang up. Do I really NEED to browse the web while I'm talking? No.

[ki2594]

are me AND my dad just really lucky? our batteries are greattt!

[michaelmaxwell2]

There won't be a program to do this, at least from a third party and doubtful from Apple. Third party developers don't have access to things like the phone settings.

Most of thing that people don't know about apple is that they are love to release things late or slowly. It creates a hype and you would see a lot of people being happy that they got a simple app for their phone. And also when your a large company apple is willing to bend the rules just for them, if a software company was to make a software that when your phone wakes out of sleep mode and turns on 3g they will allow it.

[Sweetbike40]

We really shouldn't have to turn off 3G. It's a pain. My other 3G phone didn't have a battery problem this bad. While i was searching for a new phone last month, before i made the final decision about the iPhone, review after review of nearly every phone, the number one complaint was poor battery.

[theotherrogue]

higher voice quality

The higher voice quality will only make a difference if the person on the other end has 3G too, which isn't a lot of people at this point.

[drchipinski]

why offer a touch screen! Silly question! Because its what the consumer has asked for... innovation, speed, up to date technology!

Not if a battery needs to be charging every 3 hours.

[mavis]

Can someone explain to me why the NEED 3G at all times?

No wonder you are getting low battery times!Well, here in Japan the entire network is 3G - there is no 2/2.5G network to fall back on, it simply doesn't exist. So, yeah - I leave 3G on all the time if I want to be able to use my phone. ;)

My battery life is pretty poor. I ran it down to ZERO last night (it powered off in the middle of a movie) and I charged it overnight, in an attempt to 'reset' the gauge. This morning I unplugged it and then went to a coffee shop to relax and to test it out. I turned off wifi, GPS, and Bluetooth (I enabled BT when I got home, as seen in the screenshot below) ... I got the 20% battery warning after 3:05 of use. Here are my usage details:

http://www.mavisxp.com/iPhone/usage.png

Four hours since I unplugged the iPhone from the A/C charger, I spent that time listening to music while surfing (all of that data transfer was this morning), playing games, and talking on the phone (42 minutes, most of which was spent on hold with Apple trying to get a refund for a non-functioning app) ...

Since I will generally use my iPhone for music + internet about three hours a day, and since I don't always have access to A/C power (commuting on the train, etc) I guess I'll have to buy a battery pack of some sort. If only they were sold here in Japan! I actually checked on my way home but the huge electronics store by my house doesn't have anything good. :(

[michaelmaxwell2]

Well, here in Japan the entire network is 3G - there is no 2/2.5G network to fall back on, it simply doesn't exist. So, yeah - I leave 3G on all the time if I want to be able to use my phone. ;)

My battery life is pretty poor. I ran it down to ZERO last night (it powered off in the middle of a movie) and I charged it overnight, in an attempt to 'reset' the gauge. This morning I unplugged it and then went to a coffee shop to relax and to test it out. I turned off wifi, GPS, and Bluetooth (I enabled BT when I got home, as seen in the screenshot below) ... I got the 20% battery warning after 3:05 of use. Here are my usage details:

http://www.mavisxp.com/iPhone/usage.png

Four hours since I unplugged the iPhone from the A/C charger, I spent that time listening to music while surfing (all of that data transfer was this morning), playing games, and talking on the phone (42 minutes, most of which was spent on hold with Apple trying to get a refund for a non-functioning app) ...

Since I will generally use my iPhone for music + internet about three hours a day, and since I don't always have access to A/C power (commuting on the train, etc) I guess I'll have to buy a battery pack of some sort. If only they were sold here in Japan! I actually checked on my way home but the huge electronics store by my house doesn't have anything good. :(

The problem of the battery drains could be because of third party apps. We are using The phone more than ever because of them, and also apple may have not gotten the gist of conserving power while using people are using the 3rd party apps. We all should wait for a update to see what happens.

[animenick65]

I activley manage my battery usage. This means turning 3g off when I'm not going to be making calls and just minor surfing and texts. Battery isn't perfect but it lasts the day no problem.

[Kadman]

I think turning off WiFi is a little more acceptable as hot spots are (for most) not as readily available. I think turning off 3G for those who are in predominantly 3G coverage area and only turning it on when you need it is a bit rediculous. Part of the point of a device like this is "quick access" with efficient work flow to capture and send data. Stopping to turn faster data on would simply be sand in the vaseline.

I haven't had the phone long enough to determine if battery life is too short for me, but if it is I'll simply buy a dock to conveniently drop it into each evening vs watching the battery meter and charing it ever 4 days (+ or -) like I did with my old iPhone.

[Burton8219]

3G is a replacement for GSM, not a replacement for GPRS/EDGE. It does both voice calls and data, so yes you will benefit from 3G for voice calls.

The biggest battery drains are probably push and GPS.
What exactly does push do?? If I don't have MobileMe or a email provider that offers a push option should I take it off?? What would a normal person use Push for?? Sorry... I'm on a roll for noob questions lately.

[Nikhil72]

I think I agree regarding push being a particularly potent battery drainer. I refuse to disable 3G unless I'm in a 3G-poor area where I know EDGE/GSM support is stronger (i.e. in my apartment). I also refuse to turn Wi-Fi or GPS/LBS off because, as an earlier post points out, taking a few extra steps to activate those functions disrupts the streamlined workflow that is the beauty of the iPhone UI.

I just returned from a 1h45m drive where I left 3G active, set my MobileMe to check email every 15 minutes ("Fetch"), and left the iPod running over the car system using the headphone port for about 1 hour of the drive (with email checking and downloading every 15 minutes in the background); I then activated Pandora for the last half hour of the drive. Screen was set to turn off after the 1 minute interval. I also had Bluetooth active and connected to my Contour surfacesoundcompact BT speakerphone. I made and received phone calls for about 10 minutes for the whole drive. Prior to leaving, I had used the device for approximately 10-15 minutes over Wi-Fi and left it in Standby. My battery had remained fairly steady somewhere between 95-100% during iPod playback for the 1 hour and dropped to 85-90% after the Pandora streaming. In my rough guessing, it seems that these processes drained the battery by approximately 15%, which doesn't seem that bad compared to my iPhone 2G.

Tomorrow is my first day back to work; I'm going to start running some real-world tests, but I think it's safe to assume that I will leave Push disabled and instead allow for Mail.app to fetch my email every 15 minutes.

[thaprofessor33]

Here is to everyone complaining...Some people expect way too much all of the time. The iPhone still has better battery life than other smart-phones. Stop all of your bitc****

http://www.pcworld.com/article/148348/3g_iphones_mediocre_battery_life_still_beats_rivals.html

[nizmoz]

3G is a replacement for GSM, not a replacement for GPRS/EDGE. It does both voice calls and data, so yes you will benefit from 3G for voice calls.

The biggest battery drains are probably push and GPS.

Push drains the battery way way less than actually having to hit the data to check your email every 15 min or so. This is my experience from other PDA type of phones that used push with Exchange.

[eyephone]

People, People.

This is dejavu from a year ago. The iphone's batteries need several good cycles before they can give good numbers. I bought an iphone last year and went thru all the headaches with terrible battery life, then I realized two weeks into my iphone that the battery life was great.

I am not sure why this is, but trust me, give it a few more cycles.

eyephone

[Dammit Cubs]

didn't the old iPhone have this problem. I remember the old phon lasting only 12 hours. I thought my battery was shot. But it got better and better. Now it last 4 days.

Remember a couple things. 3g is a battery drainer so continuos use on it will drain. Think of it as continuous wifi. But what makes it worse is that 3g is not everywhere so if your bars are low then it will be try harder and your battery will die. Take any phone, to a no cverage area and see your battery die.

Just be rash and logical and understand before openi g your mouth

[Chronimac]

But you're wrong, this could be solved, partially, if AT&T (or Apple pressured them to) allowed an EDGE/200 SMS plan for 3G iPhones with the old pricing.

Battery life would be the same as first-gen, and they wouldn't be price gouging.

at&t is subsidizing the 200 bucks of the phone for you, if you want to pay full price for a 3g iphone, then it would seem fair on there side to offer the onld 20$ data plan. otherwise, why should they bother giving you such a deal?

[guitarguy09]

Awww you can never make people happy. This was the main reason why apple did not create 3g because it sucks battery and it does not effectively use the battery. But most of us said to hell with that we want 3g so they created it. Its not their fault that they simply could not make the battery stretch to 6 billion hours. And we would complain if the battery was bigger and we would have a huge brick for a phone. Just get over it and shut off the 3g when not in use.

+1

[DiamondMac]

didn't the old iPhone have this problem. I remember the old phon lasting only 12 hours. I thought my battery was shot. But it got better and better. Now it last 4 days.

Remember a couple things. 3g is a battery drainer so continuos use on it will drain. Think of it as continuous wifi. But what makes it worse is that 3g is not everywhere so if your bars are low then it will be try harder and your battery will die. Take any phone, to a no cverage area and see your battery die.

Just be rash and logical and understand before openi g your mouth

Right. People just need to be smart with their phones and their battery life will be fine. If you aren't playing the iPod all day, roaming around on 3G all day, or calling people all day, your phone will drain as every other cell phone on the market

[Denny Crane]

I didn't pay $300 for a phone with a $75 monthly plan to micromanage and babysit it like this. The battery life is garbage. Period. I may return the phone as a result and go back to Verizon, who I didn't even want to switch from in the first place, because AT&T sucks compared to Verizon.

I LOVE this phone. I HATE this battery.

Apple should update the firmware to dynamically switch between EDGE and 3G based on bandwidth need.

What's the point of a 3G phone if I have to keep it off to save battery? Let me buy a $20 EDGE with 200 SMS plan then instead. Oh wait, I can't, because AT&T is a horrible company.

Well bye.

[anim8or]

It's a hassle to have to go to settings and turn it on/off.. Seems like someone at apple would be smart enough to write a program to auto manage this!


I think I agree regarding push being a particularly potent battery drainer. I refuse to disable 3G unless I'm in a 3G-poor area where I know EDGE/GSM support is stronger (i.e. in my apartment). I also refuse to turn Wi-Fi or GPS/LBS off because, as an earlier post points out, taking a few extra steps to activate those functions disrupts the streamlined workflow that is the beauty of the iPhone UI.

Isn't this just laziness.... i mean disrupt the steamlined workflow!!! A whole two or three seconds come on!

[ec51]

The other thing we need to realize, is that we are not paying the increased data charges FOR "3G." It's not like 3G costs more to use, phones two years old that werent even considered 'smartphones' were using 3G.

We are paying increased prices because, At&t is lining us up with the rest of their data prices. We payed a subsidized price for the phone so now we are paying NORMAL data charges (as in what everyother blackberry user with At&t pays). The first iPhone was not subsidized in price so in order to entice users to pay the full amount being that it was the first iPhone At&t lowered the data charges and included 200 SMS to make it more appealing.

Now they very well know people will buy the iphone no matter what, they increased the data charges to what they normally charge, along with regular SMS plans which have been the same for a while now.

So whats my point...we are not paying MORE for 3G as some of you have been stating. So to think you are and then think you have a non-competent battery does not make sense.

Im sure some people will figure out that they can use the iPhone 3G with the older iPhone plans....im sure it will happen. Its bound to....I would assume the 3G would work on a 3G iPhone with an 2G iPhone plan.

[markgamber]

Here is to everyone complaining...Some people expect way too much all of the time. The iPhone still has better battery life than other smart-phones. Stop all of your bitc****

http://www.pcworld.com/article/148348/3g_iphones_mediocre_battery_life_still_beats_rivals.html

No, it doesn't. I have a smartphone sitting right next to the iPhone and they're almost identical in this aspect. They look identical when I check them, it's not like there's an accurate meter on the iPhone, but I figured I'd be kind. In addition, the WinMo phone and iPhone both look sick when compared to my Blackberry. That thing can run forever on a charge. More to the point, why do people need 3G all the time? Because it's a pain in the ass to have to click once, twice, there's the setting...on/off. Who's going to do that? Geeks, of course, but the whole point of the phone was to appeal to more than a relative handful of geeks, was it not? I like the iPhone, sure, but that doesn't mean I'm going to lie to myself about the battery life or tell myself that it's as good as the least common denominator, why bother improving it?

[BongoBanger]

Here is to everyone complaining...Some people expect way too much all of the time. The iPhone still has better battery life than other smart-phones. Stop all of your bitc****

http://www.pcworld.com/article/148348/3g_iphones_mediocre_battery_life_still_beats_rivals.html

*Puts in spare battery*

You were saying? ;)

[Nikhil72]

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It's a hassle to have to go to settings and turn it on/off.. Seems like someone at apple would be smart enough to write a program to auto manage this!


I think I agree regarding push being a particularly potent battery drainer. I refuse to disable 3G unless I'm in a 3G-poor area where I know EDGE/GSM support is stronger (i.e. in my apartment). I also refuse to turn Wi-Fi or GPS/LBS off because, as an earlier post points out, taking a few extra steps to activate those functions disrupts the streamlined workflow that is the beauty of the iPhone UI.

Isn't this just laziness.... i mean disrupt the steamlined workflow!!! A whole two or three seconds come on!

it's not laziness. These interfaces are designed with smooth workflows in mind. A major point of a device like iPhone is to simplify, not overly complicate things.

And a random sidenote...are you capable of commenting on things in a mature manner? Geez.

[cjandnw]

are me AND my dad just really lucky? our batteries are greattt!

What do typical days look like for you usage wise?
Hours of talk time?
minutes surfing?
ipod minutes?
video watching?
% of edge / wifi / 3g connection
GPS usage?
push email;?
how often does it check you accounts?

THX

[cwosigns]

First, 3G is hardly up to date technology, My HTC Titan had it 2 years ago, and I can keep 3G active, talk and surf all day and have battery left at 10pm. This is at least 2X the battery life of the iphone.

Can you explain this given the following specs:

http://homepage.mac.com/aslguy/Pix/iphonetitan.jpg

[michaelmaxwell2]

Can you explain this given the following specs:

http://homepage.mac.com/aslguy/Pix/iphonetitan.jpg

Thank you! And also you would notice that the damn thing is also heaver...... The iphone 3g beats any 3g pda on the market.

[Macsterling]

I didn't pay $300 for a phone with a $75 monthly plan to micromanage and babysit it like this. The battery life is garbage. Period. I may return the phone as a result and go back to Verizon, who I didn't even want to switch from in the first place, because AT&T sucks compared to Verizon.

I LOVE this phone. I HATE this battery.

Apple should update the firmware to dynamically switch between EDGE and 3G based on bandwidth need.

What's the point of a 3G phone if I have to keep it off to save battery? Let me buy a $20 EDGE with 200 SMS plan then instead. Oh wait, I can't, because AT&T is a horrible company.

WHO CARES!! Why do everyone whines about every little thing. WE DO NOT LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD PEOPLE AND SPEND WAY TOO MUCH TIME WORRYING ABOUT THE DUMBEST THINGS. Have you heard of maybe charging your phone? Maybe while you are in the car or at your desk if you are the concerned with battery life? If you look at the tests that were posted today out of all the 3G phones, THE IPHONE HAD THE BEST BATTERY LIFE. SO GET OVER IT ALREADY AND JUST ENJOY THE PHONE. AGAIN, IT IS JUST A FREAKING MOBILE PHONE. NOT A $30,000 CAR

[cwosigns]

WHO CARES!! Why do everyone whines about every little thing. WE DO NOT LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD PEOPLE AND SPEND WAY TOO MUCH TIME WORRYING ABOUT THE DUMBEST THINGS. Have you heard of maybe charging your phone? Maybe while you are in the car or at your desk if you are the concerned with battery life? If you look at the tests that were posted today out of all the 3G phones, THE IPHONE HAD THE BEST BATTERY LIFE. SO GET OVER IT ALREADY AND JUST ENJOY THE PHONE. AGAIN, IT IS JUST A FREAKING MOBILE PHONE. NOT A $30,000 CAR

I have to agree with you. If the iPhone is so horrible, get a different phone. No one forced anyone to buy the iPhone 3G. I feel the battery life was a known issue at launch; turning 3G on/off a couple of times a day in order to conserve your battery isn't a lot to do.

[michaelmaxwell2]

WHO CARES!! Why do everyone whines about every little thing. WE DO NOT LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD PEOPLE AND SPEND WAY TOO MUCH TIME WORRYING ABOUT THE DUMBEST THINGS. Have you heard of maybe charging your phone? Maybe while you are in the car or at your desk if you are the concerned with battery life? If you look at the tests that were posted today out of all the 3G phones, THE IPHONE HAD THE BEST BATTERY LIFE. SO GET OVER IT ALREADY AND JUST ENJOY THE PHONE. AGAIN, IT IS JUST A FREAKING MOBILE PHONE. NOT A $30,000 CAR

+1 I have lived with the fact that the phone dies, now I walk around with a irecharger.

[I am Sampson]

I'm confused with the 3G turn off idea.
I thought 3G used less power than 2G in standby, just more when in use, as such turning it off when not in use then back on when in use would actually make your battery life worse.
I take it I must be wrong in this assumption?
Does 3G drain battery more than 2G when in stanby?
More importantly (for me at least) 3G surely does not drain battery life if you have it on yet you are not in a 3G area? Right?

[Dammit Cubs]

You guys are nuts. I'm still on my same charge from when I left for work 12 hours ago. Everything turned on. Relax people.

[queshy]

this should not have been made into a thread.

anyways, I will add in...

I have not done extensive battery tests but with modest 3G browsing, GPS, texting, etc., I've gotten about 2 days of battery life, with a lot of standby time. Nothing terrible, but I haven't been using it "that much".

[domcole]

Ok,

The Samsung F300 came with a case, there was a little charger so you could put it in the case when you weren't using it and it would be charging. Heres a picture below...

http://technotweaks.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/samsung-f300-011.jpg

Look at the middle of the case, at the top...there it is.

Would be a great idea for the iPhone 3G.

Comment back :)

[Pointbreakd]

Day 2 with 3g on all day and 10% battery left I got:

4 hrs 33 minutes
Standby 1 day 1 hour
Call time - 1 hour 3 minutes.

EDIT: Died at 5:30

[nidserz]

Sorry about my noobish question, but how do I turn GPS off?
Is that just location services?
Is there anyway to get settings of google maps?
Thanks

[littlewaywelt]

Why do you NEED 3G active all of the time?

I was under the impression 3G was beneficial for when you were surfing, or something of that nature.....

NOT beneficial for phoneing, texting, listening to music, watching videos, etc!

I have planned to have 3G, GPS (Location Services) and WiFi off unless i need them, just like i do with my current 2.5G iPhone....

Can someone explain to me why the NEED 3G at all times?

No wonder you are getting low battery times!

Because you shouldn't have to be bothered with doing that...
Who wants to be bothered with doing that everytime you have a data transfer?

I had a WM phone (palm treo 700wx and 700w) with Verizon for the last couple of years which runs on their equivalent EVDO. You never had to turn it off and battery life blows away iPhone.

[thomasfxlt]

Right. People just need to be smart with their phones and their battery life will be fine. If you aren't playing the iPod all day, roaming around on 3G all day, or calling people all day, your phone will drain as every other cell phone on the market

Cheers:)

[Ori]

Now I am thinking that I have a duff battery. I was one of those wait and see and hope that the battery gets better with a few cycles like my old Iphone did. So i have done 4 full discharge and charge cycles.
Used 1 hour of video and 9 minutes of calls today. Phone has been off charge since 8am this morning so thats 7 hours standby.

Battery indicator. (30%) I have 3g on, LS off, WIFI off. Oh and I had airplane mode on while watching the video as I was on the tube. Push email is on for mobile me, but I used to have it on with old 2.5g for yahoo mail. I also reduced my email check for non push accounts to evey hour when it was every 15 mins on older iphone. I sent 2 sms messages and received 2 emails during this time.

BY my calculations I get 7 hours of video use to drain the battery. I used 1 hours of that and hence should have knocked off 15% battery. 7 hours standby should have knocked off what?? another 1%??? LS doesn't use battery unless I use and app that needs it (it was off anyway)...which I didn't so at worst my battery should be 75-80% which is actually what my old Iphone used to do. say even 60%...I am nowhere near apple stats. I think there maybe a load of duff batteries. Will be interesting to see what happens. Then again a lot of people have commented that since upgrading to 2.0 the battery life is messed up. Maybe there is a bug in it which keeps something running!?!? I don't know. Either way something is wrong.


With regards to someone mentioning having to turn things on or off before and after use......cobblers. the phone is a tool and should serve me and not the other way. It's a few seconds each time, but it defeats the purpose of having this slick OS if I need to do that each time. Luckily for the os, maps asks you to allows LS and if you click yes it turns it on for you. You still need to manually turn it off afterwards though.

[cwosigns]

I had a WM phone (palm treo 700wx and 700w) with Verizon for the last couple of years which runs on their equivalent EVDO. You never had to turn it off and battery life blows away iPhone.

Fantastic! Why aren't you still using it?

[domcole]

Ok,

The Samsung F300 came with a case, there was a little charger so you could put it in the case when you weren't using it and it would be charging. Heres a picture below...

http://technotweaks.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/samsung-f300-011.jpg

Look at the middle of the case, at the top...there it is.

Would be a great idea for the iPhone 3G.

Comment back :)

http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack

3G version coming soon I think.

[rotobadger]

http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack

3G version coming soon I think.

They emailed me and said September 1st for the 3G version. Regardless of whether Apple gets this battery issue sorted out or not I'm getting one!

[GNice]

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it's not laziness. These interfaces are designed with smooth workflows in mind. A major point of a device like iPhone is to simplify, not overly complicate things.

And a random sidenote...are you capable of commenting on things in a mature manner? Geez.

Loacation Services come on automatically. If you turn it off and start any app that needs it, the service starts seamlessly behind the scenes (at least Maps works that way).

[Shove-it]

Sorry about my noobish question, but how do I turn GPS off?
Is that just location services?
Is there anyway to get settings of google maps?
Thanks

Does anyone have an answer for this? Searching the forum brings up this thread and another both with the same questions but no answers! :)

[rotobadger]

Does anyone have an answer for this? Searching the forum brings up this thread and another both with the same questions but no answers! :)

Go to Settings>General>Network>Enable 3G

Set to "Off"

You're all set.

EDIT:

Oops...misread your post.

To disable "GPS" go to Settings>General>Location Services

Set to "Off"

[markgamber]

Fantastic! Why aren't you still using it?

I had a Treo 700wx and it was an excellent phone. Best WinMo phone ever made, IMO. It was fast, extremely stable, it had tons of features unique to Palm and it went forever on a full battery. But it had all the physical appeal of a brick and by now it's a few years old. I looked at it's successor, the 800w, but it struck me as more of the same so I kept the iPhone and ported my number.

Now, of course, all this having been said, eventually most people will stop constantly playing with their new toy, it will go from toy to tool and battery life will triple. Or better. So it's all relative and I'm not concerned that it goes about the same distance as my Sprint Touch on a full battery. Eventually that phone could go a couple of days between charges and so will this one, I'm sure.

[TB07-NJ]

Oh gimme a break! I have a 3G ATT Tilt and it's last days before it dies with everything turned on with the same type of use I give this device.

This was my day:

9AM off the charger this morning after 12 hrs of charging. At 6PM phone was totally discharged and shut itself off. This was what I did with it today:

Bluetooth OFF
3G off
Wifi ON and connected
Push On (with PUSH off MobileMe is useless)
Fetch OFF
ONE (1) Phone call of 2 minutes
Lots of emails received (2 replied to)
1 game (Monkeyball) "demo'd" at work for 3 minutes
Maybe 20 minutes of "surfing the web"

That's it. ZERO POWER. After 9 hours.
Totally DISMAL and useless.

What good is a phone like this if you have to turn off all the features and babysit it all day or keep it on a charger?

Maybe it should be called the OFFPhone instead of the iPhone.

Somethng is wrong.

I really WANT to keep it. But this is absurd. 10 hrs to a fully drained battery?

[lakaiordie]

anyone think battery life will improve with firmware 2.0.1?

[michaelmaxwell2]

Oh gimme a break! I have a 3G ATT Tilt and it's last days before it dies with everything turned on with the same type of use I give this device.

This was my day:

9AM off the charger this morning after 12 hrs of charging. At 6PM phone was totally discharged and shut itself off. This was what I did with it today:

Bluetooth OFF
3G off
Wifi ON and connected
Push On (with PUSH off MobileMe is useless)
Fetch OFF
ONE (1) Phone call of 2 minutes
Lots of emails received (2 replied to)
1 game (Monkeyball) "demo'd" at work for 3 minutes
Maybe 20 minutes of "surfing the web"

That's it. ZERO POWER. After 9 hours.
Totally DISMAL and useless.

What good is a phone like this if you have to turn off all the features and babysit it all day or keep it on a charger?

Maybe it should be called the OFFPhone instead of the iPhone.

Somethng is wrong.

I really WANT to keep it. But this is absurd. 10 hrs to a fully drained battery?
What do you expect your phone is a no keypad bright display screen phone, that also is a smart phone the last time i checked smart phones don't last long without charging .

[Romanesq]

For all the people claiming 3G has better voice quality: does it? Most people I know don't use a 3G phone. They use a crappy landline or your run-of-the-mill cell phone. Therefore, you will probably only get better voice quality when talking to someone else either on 3G or on VoIP. Kinda like if someone with FIOS tried to download something remotely off a server connected via dial-up. The crappier connection is what you'll get.

I knew immediately coming from T-mobile that the phone quality had dropped.
And I can say that the 3G voice quality is much better. :cool:

[Shove-it]

Go to Settings>General>Network>Enable 3G

Set to "Off"

You're all set.

EDIT:

Oops...misread your post.

To disable "GPS" go to Settings>General>Location Services

Set to "Off"

Thanks!

[Ori]

What do you expect your phone is a no keypad bright display screen phone, that also is a smart phone the last time i checked smart phones don't last long without charging .

Rubbish!! His quote battery experience sounds like a completely duff battery. He doesn't even have 3G on so it should last 10 hours talk time!! So if he was talking all day constantly it still would have lasted longer than what he actually got.

Get it replaced, but I would wait until the new batches of Iphones start arriving and you can get some "fixed" models.

[TB07-NJ]

I guess you haven't haven't checked too thoroughly. :) I've had ONLY "smart phones" for the last probably 15 years starting with the very first Treo phones through the Treo 180, 300, 600, 650 and 680 and for the last year a Blackberry Curve and my wife's Tilt. They ALL, without exception, with the type of use I give them, lasted 2+ days with no charging (with GPS ON in the BB and USED for turn by turn with TeleNav) and 10x more "feature" use then this device (lots of Yahoo IM, lots of Email & web browsing). With everything turned off on my offPhone, er, iPhone, I can't get 1 full workday with limited use without a totally DEAD battery. I'm not referring to "talktime" here. I'm talking about 90% "idle" time. Something is wrong when you are afraid to use the features of a "smartphone" or have to dumb it down by turning off ALL features to be able to last through a workday. Heck, if I could just get through ONE DAY I'd be satisfied. Now I will need to always be "charging" in my car, at work and at home. I hve 2 sync cables and a car charger on order. I really really like this device but this battery issue is a killer.

What do you expect your phone is a no keypad bright display screen phone, that also is a smart phone the last time i checked smart phones don't last long without charging .

[queshy]

I think a lot of people are complaining because they're coming from "regular" cell phones that last way longer (obviously because all they can do is make calls). Don't forget everyone - iPhone has a giant screen and all kinds of wireless capabilities that most phones don't have.

[thefunkymunky]

It's Thursday now and I haven't charged my iPhone3G since Saturday night. Only lost one bar off the battery meter. Have 3G enabled but everything else off unless I need it. WiFi, Bluetooth, Location Services, Push email (I use Fetch set to manual) all off.

It's WiFi and Push email that drains the battery not 3G.

[phannon666]

No battery issues here, and although the battery lasts about half that of my old 6600 classic, that's purely down to me using it a hell of a lot more. My last phone would be idle most of the time cos it was only good literally as a *phone*. Since I've had it, I've constantly kept 3G on, location services on, pretty much everything on, done a fair amount of browsing, couple of hours iPod use, maybe a game or 2, download a few freebies on the app store, a few texts a day, 15min phone call or 2 and still have about 25% left after 2 days or so. No complaints here.

[knome]

wow my battery isn't anywhere near this bad. I can play music with the screen off for 5 hours and it will only eat a little more than 1/3 the battery. I can surf the web for like 3 hours strait and it only will drop half way. I can play music through the speaker for like 3 hours and that will take 2/3 the battery away.
I actually haven't gotten it bellow 1/3-1/4 left. Thats with a full days usage. I set my phone to charge every night.

Settings

3g off till i need it
Location on
Brightness at 0
screen lock at 1 minute
Wifi on (way faster and uses less power than 3g or 2.5g)
Push off
Fetch 1/2 hour
Bluetooth off