Forget the MAJOR screw ups. Where are basic features like: Bold, Italics, Underline?

[SiskoKid]

Forget the countless ******* ups with MobileMe so far. How about basic features like bolding words in an email? Where are things like text color? Alignment?

These are basic features since the beginning of email time. What's going on!?

[NT1440]

are we talking on the iphone or what?

also, i dont know a whole lot of people who use any of those regularly (tho it really should be there)

[SiskoKid]

Through the actual MobileMe website on a desktop.

And you're saying you never use bold or italics? Do you actually use email?!

[cloudnine]

Through the actual MobileMe website on a desktop.

And you're saying you never use bold or italics? Do you actually use email?!

I've never used bold or italics in an email... some of us can actually get our point across speaking intelligently and without caps, bold or any other character decoration.

However, with that said, it is kind of asinine for them to not include it in their online email editor. Gmail does it with no problem... why not a service we're actually paying for?

With all of these numerous threads about this problem, that problem, etc, etc, all we can do is hope that any number of features will be added within a short while...

[TwinCities Dan]

I agree, WTF?

[SiskoKid]

I've never used bold or italics in an email... some of us can actually get our point across speaking intelligently and without caps, bold or any other character decoration.

However, with that said, it is kind of asinine for them to not include it in their online email editor. Gmail does it with no problem... why not a service we're actually paying for?

With all of these numerous threads about this problem, that problem, etc, etc, all we can do is hope that any number of features will be added within a short while...

Comments like this are completely maddening. I feel it's how it'd be when talking to George Bush.

There are so many reasons italics and/or bold are necessary your response is almost scary. Also my list is missing basics like fonts, size of text, lists, etc.

I thought I'd pick the most basic of features that we're spending a portion of $99 on. Apparently, you can get your point across without any of this. For the rest of us who handle different items beyond e-mailing our friends a few sentences, these other features are used often.

[cloudnine]

Comments like this are completely maddening. I feel it's how it'd be when talking to George Bush.

There are so many reasons italics and/or bold are necessary your response is almost scary. Also my list is missing basics like fonts, size of text, lists, etc.

I thought I'd pick the most basic of features that we're spending a portion of $99 on. Apparently, you can get your point across without any of this. For the rest of us who handle different items beyond e-mailing our friends a few sentences, these other features are used often.

Wow. How do you function in your every day life? I mean, if little things like a missing bold/italics function make you so furious, I'd hate to know how you react to something serious.

[tallyho]

hmm I'm as annoyed as the next person about the mobileme fiasco but...bold and italics? in email? really not necessary, and in fact annoying - I sometimes have to remind Mail.app that it should be composing plain text not rich text.

[SiskoKid]

Holy mother of God.

I think the apologists here are so bizarre. The most basic features in an e-mail since ever isn't in MobileMe mail and this is on top of all the other mishaps.

Whether you use it or not is besides the point. I may as well go into the threads discussing the mess ups with Outlook not syncing and go, "Well, I don't even use Outlook, so I have no idea what the issue is. You must be a small person to get annoyed over it."

You two are prime examples of this really bizarre hurdle to overcome in forums when people are just looking for answers.

[SlapMonkey]

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[ZJKingsley]

Forget the countless ******* ups with MobileMe so far. How about basic features like bolding words in an email? Where are things like text color? Alignment?

These are basic features since the beginning of email time. What's going on!?


I cannot seriously believe this,
EVERY SINGLE EMAIL SERVICE HAS THIS!!!!!

and for those who think they dont need it, some others do,

for instance when I email my grandparents, I like to send in BIG & COLORFUL TEXTS

So they can read it easier,

should I STOP emailing them at Apple'd discretion???
and btw, I really love apple and hope this all works out

[SiskoKid]

I cannot seriously believe this,
EVERY SINGLE EMAIL SERVICE HAS THIS!!!!!

and for those who think they dont need it, some others do,

for instance when I email my grandparents, I like to send in BIG & COLORFUL TEXTS

So they can read it easier,

should I STOP emailing them at Apple'd discretion???
and btw, I really love apple and hope this all works out

Careful, these fools in here don't use that feature, so just move along. It's obviously an unimportant feature since cloudnine and tallyho don't use it. :rolleyes:

[derandrew09]

me thinks that apple had to rush mobileme to get it put into public. im sure they will be putting out new features and fixes almost daily. maybe im going easy on em, but idc. :apple:

[clevin]

every major email service now has rich text editing, right?

I don't even know where the difficulty is, apple is that weak?

[TwinCities Dan]

every major email service now has rich text editing, right?

I don't even know where the difficulty is, apple is that weak?


Clevin, are you having a bad day? I agree with you, rich text doesn't seem too difficult, but calling Apple weak sounds like you have your trolling motor out... ;) :p :D

[ZJKingsley]

Careful, these fools in here don't use that feature, so just move along. It's obviously an unimportant feature since cloudnine and tallyho don't use it. :rolleyes:

HAHAHA,

Maybe they just ,... iForgot, lol

[JP M.]

I thought they had simply overlooked the inclusion of the buttons for those functions but when I tried command+b and the like, nothing happened. :(

Apple, you said "desktop class" applications...

[clevin]

Clevin, are you having a bad day? I agree with you, rich text doesn't seem too difficult, but calling Apple weak sounds like you have your trolling motor out... ;) :p :D

what do you call it then :p? I don't call things weak when they are not. I mean, I understand if there are technical difficulties, but com'on, the tech is 3 years old and is widely used, where is the problem?

The service is normal at best, and apple was the one to hype this to be something huge, now its caught, thats it.

I know apple's PR is powerful, design is elegant, and I also know their substance is weak compare to what they want people to think about their products. This is a especially clear example.

[mattniles007]

MobileMe sounds like a headache, I'll pass until the update.

[aristobrat]

Careful, these fools in here don't use that feature, so just move along. It's obviously an unimportant feature since cloudnine and tallyho don't use it. :rolleyes:
Actually, if you go back and re-read cloudnine's first response to you, s/he said that even though they don't use it, "it is kind of asinine for them to not include it in their online email editor. Gmail does it with no problem... why not a service we're actually paying for?"

Don't assume that everyone that doesn't agree verbatim with your opinion is here to apologize for Apple, especially if you're going to be as snarky as you were with your "Do you actually use email?!" and "Comments like this are completely maddening. I feel it's how it'd be when talking to George Bush." replies.

I'm surprised nobody's http://cf.media.macrumorslive.com/f/buttons/report.gif this thread for the tone you set yet. It seems destined for the Wasteland.

[SiskoKid]

Actually, if you go back and re-read cloudnine's first response to you, s/he said that even though they don't use it, "it is kind of asinine for them to not include it in their online email editor. Gmail does it with no problem... why not a service we're actually paying for?"

Don't assume that everyone that doesn't agree verbatim with your opinion is here to apologize for Apple, especially if you're going to be as snarky as you were with your "Do you actually use email?!" and "Comments like this are completely maddening. I feel it's how it'd be when talking to George Bush." replies.

I'm surprised nobody's http://cf.media.macrumorslive.com/f/buttons/report.gif this thread for the tone you set yet. It seems destined for the Wasteland.

Please keep on topic. Comments like, "some of us can actually get our point across speaking intelligently and without caps, bold or any other character decoration" is hardly an innocent remark. My question "Do you actually use e-mail?!" isn't meant to be snarky, it was meant to be funny while expressing my disbelief that someone had never/rarely used bold/italics in an e-mail before. I still can't believe it. If it reads as snark, I apologize.

Whether someone's rare use of bold/italics is true or not, I could give a flying nun about it. People who put others down for wanting answers to a simple complaint/question shouldn't be responding. Besides, the person I responded to originally never even responded as annoyed to my original response, so if you and someone else interpret it that way is hardly my concern. If you think things should be handled in a civil manner, then defending cloudnine's route is hardly proving your point.

Now, can we actually discuss the topic. What's going on with these missing features? Are they coming, are they pulled while they're fixing things? Does anyone know?

Also, as if this somehow needs clarification. I DON'T CARE IF YOU DON'T USE THESE FEATURES. Others do, and if you'd like to be helpful, by all means go ahead. Otherwise, you can ignore the thread entirely.

[aristobrat]

Now, can we actually discuss the topic. What's going on with these missing features? Are they coming, are they pulled while they're fixing things? Does anyone know?
The only people that know the definite answer to your question work for Apple and have signed a NDA that doesn't allow then to comment on future features or products.

I don't recall seeing any screen shots of the features you're talking about in any of the MobileMe videos posted to date. Between that and the web email piece of MobileMe looking like a redressed version of the .Mac one (i.e. prettier, but basically the same functions as the old .Mac email), I wouldn't be holding my breath that these features will be appearing anytime soon.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

[SiskoKid]

The only people that know the definite answer to your question work for Apple and have signed a NDA that doesn't allow then to comment on future features or products.

I don't recall seeing any screen shots of the features you're talking about in any of the MobileMe videos posted to date. Between that and the web email piece of MobileMe looking like a redressed version of the .Mac one (i.e. prettier, but basically the same functions as the old .Mac email), I wouldn't be holding my breath that these features will be appearing anytime soon.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

I never had .Mac, so I have no reference to how it used to be, and I definitely assumed something as simple as bold/italics would be included in MobileMe's features. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that anyone should've looked at the feature list or videos and actually consciously scanned to see if those features were included or not. No other program or online webmail that I've ever used were missing these simple features, so you can technically place the blame on me, but I also feel it's a ridiculous thing to be missing.

I'm sorry to hear that it may not be happening. I hope you're wrong too :(

[Stangs55]

Sisko, let me sum it up by saying I agree 195% with everything you're saying...the problem is that you're trying to argue to Mac crowd that something on their Mac isn't perfect. It's a losing and impossible battle. These are the same guys that see those Mac vs. PC commercials and think "Hell YEA! Way to go Mac! All things not Mac are the OMGSUXORS!" They drank the kool-aid long ago, let them be. :rolleyes:

[emegmac]

Why not just write the message from the mail app if its is that important to you. The web app is meant for on the go. so they tried to keep it simple. I personally love that about it. If you need to write o your grandma do it from home.

Sounds like you just like to complain. Life really is not that bad.

[tallyho]

It's clearly not worth trying to make a reasoned point in this thread.
The fact is, though, that when people send rich text email and I view it in mail.app on my mac, it often looks screwed up - the font size is tiny or similar problems. If people send plain text email (and most people where I work, believe it or not, use a plain text email app on Unix) then the message shows up properly.
Now, given that leopard's Mail.app has those stationery templates (which I have never used) you would assume that rich text email is important to Apple, so I'm sure it'll show up in the iPhone client soon. In the mean time though, calm down and try to resist the urge to call people fools because they do not want to join in with your rant.

[aristobrat]

I just can't wrap my head around the idea that anyone should've looked at the feature list or videos and actually consciously scanned to see if those features were included or not. No other program or online webmail that I've ever used were missing these simple features, so you can technically place the blame on me, but I also feel it's a ridiculous thing to be missing.:(
The only reason I mentioned the video is because Apple typically makes them ahead of the launch of a product and they sometimes show features that were removed from the product at the last minute. I wasn't trying to insinuate that you should have watched the video more carefully before deciding to purchase, only that the videos didn't give me any indication that bold/italics/etc were features that were pulled at the last minute.

Sisko, let me sum it up by saying I agree 195% with everything you're saying...the problem is that you're trying to argue to Mac crowd that something on their Mac isn't perfect.
IMO, people are responding to the tone of the posts, not the actual issue.

[Macsterguy]

Remember... most people on the planet (95% or so) are going to be reading your email using a windows box with some version of IE or their local email client.

It has been my experience... when I write a beautifully crafted email from my Mac's mail app (using rich text), the resulting email will look really bad when viewed on the other end 95% of the time. Sending it to another Mac looks great.

I assume this is due to incompatible fonts and font substitution between platforms. I have tried this myself using various fonts etc. For this reason, it is best to use plain text in email. What you see is what you get.

[clevin]

Remember... most people on the planet (95% or so) are going to be reading your email using a windows box with some version of IE or their local email client.

It has been my experience... when I write a beautifully crafted email from my Mac's mail app (using rich text), the resulting email will look really bad when viewed on the other end 95% of the time. Sending it to another Mac looks great.

I assume this is due to incompatible fonts and font substitution between platforms. I have tried this myself using various fonts etc. For this reason, it is best to use plain text in email. What you see is what you get.

you missed the points, font will change, yes, but something won't.

such as bold, italic, size.

if mail.app can't even do this right, then its a dud and people should stop using it.

[jessica.]

I'd like to believe that even if I am not a fairly intelligent person, I can craft an e-mail beautifully to get my point across without having to use text decoration. However, in my professional experience I have found that there are often times when simple decoration is necessary.

Deadlines are often set in bold so the reader is aware when something is due. When you manage a group of people who work remotely you don't have the opportunity to communicate outside of e-mail and phone (most of the time), therefore, if you're trying to get your point across sometimes it is necessary to bullet point or bold something. Doing so doesn't make any one person more or less intelligent as far as I'm concerned.

The OP has a point, albeit angry and further fueled by others in this thread, but he has a point. I also happen to know many people, if given a decent web-based e-mail app (gmail) will stop using a desktop e-mail client. I know that for the most part I haven't launched my mail app in ages. I was hoping that in due time MobileMe would become a service I would use more, thus making my $100/year purchase worth my while, we're almost there. The exclusion of simple features however is weak, as said by someone else. And no, my troll hat isn't on.

[Macsterguy]

you missed the points, font will change, yes, but something won't.

such as bold, italic, size.

if mail.app can't even do this right, then its a dud and people should stop using it.

My point is this... 95% of the worlds pc's have it right. 5% have it wrong (apple).

Font will not stop me from using a more secure platform (for now).