iChat AV 3.0? AIM and iChat?

[MacRumors]

MacOSXRumors reports (http://www.macosxrumors.com/index.php#26) that the next major revision of iChat AV will will have AOL/AIM video-conferencing compatibility... while interoperability with other protocols is not expected, according to the rumor site.

AOL's AIM with video conferencing is currently in Beta testing... and several readers have reported that AIM Beta users appear in iChat with a greyed-out Video icon next to their screen-names. As a result, the two applications do not presently allow inter-app video conferencing.... but do recognize the existence of the video-capabilities of the other application.

[The Tuck]

Also if they only have audio, there will be a greyed out audio icon.

[SFNE Freak]

Yea...I noticed when I used iChat to receive an image the other day a few people had greyed out video icons that were Windows users.

Puzzled is what I was.

[jholzner]

Originally posted by SFNE Freak
Yea...I noticed when I used iChat to receive an image the other day a few people had greyed out video icons that were Windows users.

Puzzled is what I was.

I noticed that one of my freinds had a greyed out audio icons...not sure what that is about but I know they were on Windows. I tried to click it but nothing happened. I hope this all happens before the next major release of Mac OS X. I also hope that once it does that Apple will ship the new AOL IM and the new iChat AV with iSight...thus making iSight compatible with Windows...maybe also sell a firewire to usb2 cable...similar to the iPod...though not sure USB2 can provide enought power to run iSight.

[MoparShaha]

This is good news. I was bummed out when I heard the earlier rumor that the two systems were not going to be compatible. Hopefully this is an indication of future compatibility.

[jholzner]

Since Apple and AOL seem to be getting along so great...iTMS, iChat, AOL IM AV?...maybe further collaboration is on the horizon.

It would be GREAT if AOL began using WebCore and JavaCore...the Safari rendering engine as the basis for AOL's service...instead of IE.

AND...they could make quicktime the default player for all content on AOL.

All based on open standards and much of it open source!

[Photorun]

Originally posted by jholzner It would be GREAT if AOL began using WebCore and JavaCore...the Safari rendering engine as the basis for AOL's service...instead of IE.

It would, however sadly M$ stuck the ratcage on AOheL with another one of their b*** screw contracts with the devil a little over a year ago to have IeeEEEE browser "technology" in their web stuff (I'm sure that fat rat who was running AOhelL at the time got a wad of dough from Satan, aka Gates, himself). This of course odd because AOhelL bought Netscrape. The deal with the devil I recall was three years so it'd be almost another two before AOhelL could break out of the deal with Satan. It's a cool thought though.

[Freg3000]

This is a must if Apple wants to be a leader in this area too. I mean, even with the iTMS were restricted to the Mac, we could all survive buying our music and listening to it. But withvideo conferencing, you need someone else to do that with....opening up to Windows actually makes the experience better. I hope Apple and AOL can do this, and do it fast.

Originally posted by jholzner

AND...they could make quicktime the default player for all content on AOL.


Many months ago, I thought I read somewhere that they were going to do this. Or maybe I am making that up. I could have sworn though.....

Edit: Not quite what i remembered, but here it is:
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/08/20030801130506.shtml

[ITR 81]

Maybe this will happen in Jan or in coming months afterwards.

[Stella]

woohooo, when this happens i might consider buying an iSight, since it will be useful then.

[DamnDJ]

If indeed true, I think this will be a great thing for Apple to do. I figured Apple would stick to their guns and not provide compatibility, but "opening up" is a smart thing to do.

Glad I bought an iSight today. Although I guess I have to give up Adium. :(

[dho]

Almost as if the gray icon signifies, "hey there is annother pc user I can't iSight with" :\

If they did design interoperability it would make it worth it for me to buy an isight.

[jholzner]

Originally posted by dho
Almost as if the gray icon signifies, "hey there is annother pc user I can't iSight with" :\

If they did design interoperability it would make it worth it for me to buy an isight.

I would also buy an iSight. I want one now but could only video chat with 4 people on my buddy list...three of which live across town from me!

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by DamnDJ
If indeed true, I think this will be a great thing for Apple to do. I figured Apple would stick to their guns and not provide compatibility, but "opening up" is a smart thing to do.

Steve Jobs said during the WWDC 2003 Keynote where iChat AV was introduced, that since Apple was the "first one to do this" and that when others "copy what [they] do" they will "endeavor to interoperate with them and do the best for that."

I think Apple is more eager to get iChat compatible with AIM than AOl is.

[D0ct0rteeth]

In ordert to keep my cellphone bill under a grand I talk to my coworkers and customers on iChat for hundreds of hours a week.. unfortunately they are almost all aol users and this has kept me from buying an iSight. This would completely change everything.

But the biggest impact would be the conference calls which are a constant pain in the arse, and consume 2+ hours a day! It would be so much easier if we all had working iSights... we all hop on.. arrange a few windows and its that easy.

I hope this is true.. would make my life so much easier. easily the best thing apple has ever done as far as my business is concerned.. it is hard to explain how big of an impact this would make.

I would do a commercial for apple in a heartbeat!!

[KBFinFan]

Ya, I noticed this too the other day.. it certainly would be beneficial to Apple as a company and to Mac users to allow the AIM and iChat clients to become more interconnected.

However, my one request, please allow us to have profiles on iChat... that is all.

[york2600]

Originally posted by jholzner
Since Apple and AOL seem to be getting along so great...iTMS, iChat, AOL IM AV?...maybe further collaboration is on the horizon.

It would be GREAT if AOL began using WebCore and JavaCore...the Safari rendering engine as the basis for AOL's service...instead of IE.

AND...they could make quicktime the default player for all content on AOL.

All based on open standards and much of it open source!


AOL uses Mozilla. It did in the betas of the latests version at least. It ran so much faster than the crippled IE it had. It wasn't just IE. Somehow it ran worse than IE did. If that's even possible.

[ITR 81]

Originally posted by DamnDJ
If indeed true, I think this will be a great thing for Apple to do. I figured Apple would stick to their guns and not provide compatibility, but "opening up" is a smart thing to do.

Glad I bought an iSight today. Although I guess I have to give up Adium. :(

Goto www.myisight.com if you want to meet over 3,000 folks with iSight cams.

[jholzner]

Originally posted by ITR 81
Goto www.myisight.com if you want to meet over 3,000 folks with iSight cams.

I'm sure there are a lot of people with iSight I'm not interested in chatting with strangers.

[simply258]

Yhe only time i would buy the iSight is when:

1) iChat is compatible with MSN Messenger

2) MSN Messenger for Mac has video capabilities

[kerni]

why is AOL introducing another video format, when Apple has a superb working one? Apple has mostly no problems with Firewalls, NAT and so on. So why does Apple have to include another one? I doubt that the new AOL format will of the same quality... or is there a hope!?

[bennetsaysargh]

i was going to post somewhere about they faded icons. usually, the icons that show mean that the person can't talk or video right now because they're in another chat, but when i asked my friend, they weren't.

this should be great because my neighbor has a usb webcam, and most likely you will be able to use usb webcams with the windows version. then i can go out and buy the software to and use a cheap $30 webcam from wal-mart to videochat with everyone.:D

[iJed]

Originally posted by simply258
Yhe only time i would buy the iSight is when:

1) iChat is compatible with MSN Messenger


I would probably buy it if iChat supported video with M$N. There is no way I'm ever going to use the abomination that is Mac M$N Messenger.

I would also like iChat to use the iTunes interface style for text chat. I just seems rather stupid that you require to open a separate window and waste screen space having a window for each chat. This is a much better approach than using a tabbed window as in something like GAIM on Linux.

Until the M$N support is added at least I will have to stick to "Fire".

[MacBoy88]

Can someone post a pic of the grey icons? I want to see them.

[bennetsaysargh]

they're not grey.
they are a faded green. they look like the ones used when people are already in a video or audiochat, but here is the one for the video.

[tny]

Originally posted by york2600
AOL uses Mozilla. It did in the betas of the latests version at least. It ran so much faster than the crippled IE it had. It wasn't just IE. Somehow it ran worse than IE did. If that's even possible.

AOL ended up not using Mozilla's Gecko rendering engine for the Windows version of AOL (I believe the Mac version does use Gecko). They made another deal with MS (AOL icons on Windows desktop for IE in AOL) several months ago.

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by dho
Almost as if the gray icon signifies, "hey there is annother pc user I can't iSight with" :\

If they did design interoperability it would make it worth it for me to buy an isight.

Same here. problem is, im not sure how well isight will run on a 500mhz imac. i know 600 is required but will 100mhz make that big a difference?

[DamnDJ]

Originally posted by kerni
why is AOL introducing another video format, when Apple has a superb working one? Apple has mostly no problems with Firewalls, NAT and so on. So why does Apple have to include another one? I doubt that the new AOL format will of the same quality... or is there a hope!?


Because it would be a pain in the butt to have to suffer more pain of two companies not giving in to the other. I'd rather Apple provide compatibility in iChat to talk to AIM video users rather than having to use two different programs for the same thing.

[jholzner]

Originally posted by Wonder Boy
Same here. problem is, im not sure how well isight will run on a 500mhz imac. i know 600 is required but will 100mhz make that big a difference?
\
It won't work at all...my sis. has a 500mhz imac and it won't let her recieve video chats at all. Maybe there is a hack out there but I'm not sure.

[Mr.Hey]

Apple's iSight/iChat A/V technology is truly amazing...













that is all. ;)

[bennetsaysargh]

Originally posted by jholzner
\
It won't work at all...my sis. has a 500mhz imac and it won't let her recieve video chats at all. Maybe there is a hack out there but I'm not sure.

i think iChatusbcam does the trick.
it's a really useful app.

[alamar]

Originally posted by ITR 81
Goto www.myisight.com if you want to meet over 3,000 folks with iSight cams.

thats a relativitly small number. The one guy I met there wanted me to fly to texas and do a pro hemp comedy show on my own dime...i don't even like pot.

At any rate. I hope that soon iChat will add MSN Messnger support, Atleast basic support w/o the games. Who is with me? I could also use some sort of plugin support so ICQ and IRC and Yahoo and whatever can be added at the customers lesurie. ESP if its going to cost money for users to buy the app. Common Apple....open the b!tch up. One chat to rule them all.

[jholzner]

There is now an online petition for making iChat comptible with USB/USB2 webcams. I don't think that compatibility with regular USB is a good idea. The quality sucks and it is too slow to even be useful beyond just something neat to try once. Apple has the right idea...do it right or not at all. USB2 support would be okay as long as the quality is the same. Slow jerky video chat is worthless

[supercres]

Originally posted by D0ct0rteeth
It would be so much easier if we all had working iSights... we all hop on.. arrange a few windows and its that easy.

Sadly, you can only have a single one-to-one chat going, but if a whole party could be arranged... :D :D :D

Still. Please, for the love of Jobs, let this be true.

[zaphoyd]

remember every video stream needs to be sent to every person in the room. It might make sense for audio, but video i think would be too much bandwidth for the 256/386k upload on most residential broadband.

[kerni]

Originally posted by DamnDJ
Because it would be a pain in the butt to have to suffer more pain of two companies not giving in to the other. I'd rather Apple provide compatibility in iChat to talk to AIM video users rather than having to use two different programs for the same thing.

I totally agree to that! I just wouldn't understand it, if AOL is developing another video conferencing system, which is a) incompatible even there is already a GOOD one and b) which might have problems working behind a firewall or NAT. I just hope at least the 2nd one will not happen and the 1st point will be better than Yahoo video and close to iChat video quality ;-)

[youngr40]

Hi all

Were can one download this new AOL IM for Windows?

I wanna get on my friends windows boxes and see the greyed out icon for myself.

AOL + iCHAT together is must must must - I to would purchase a iSight just on the strength of AOL voice/video compatibility.

[kerni]

Originally posted by youngr40
Hi all

Were can one download this new AOL IM for Windows?

I wanna get on my friends windows boxes and see the greyed out icon for myself.


http://www.aim.com/get_aim/win/win_beta.adp

[bennetsaysargh]

here.
is this better?
(oh yeah, i have demetallizer on)

[Aeolius]

While their updating iChat, I hope they throw in AIM's dice-roller. I could use iChat for an online game of D&D, if only the //roll-diceX-sidesY command worked.

[Heart Break Kid]

if ur playing a game of d&d then count me in!

lol

every campaign needs a good cleric- ME!