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MacRumors
Dec 30, 2003, 11:18 AM
MacObserver notes (http://macobserver.com/article/2003/12/30.1.shtml) that the most recent (November) MP3 Player sales numbers from IDC (http://www.idc.com) continues to place the iPod at #1 in overall sales.

The 10GB Apple iPod ($299) reportedly edged out the cheaper 128MB Digitalway ($140) (http://www.planetminidisc.com/fl-100-128.html) in overall sales, with the remainder of the iPod models also being well represented:
1. 10GB iPod ($299)
2. 128MB Digitalway ($140)
3. 20GB iPod ($399)
4. 128MB iRiver ($119.99-$139.99))
5. 40GB iPod ($499)
These numbers only represent November 2003 sales. Holiday sales, as well as the effect of the rumored "Mini" iPods should prove to be interesting.

Grimace
Dec 30, 2003, 11:23 AM
WOW - Every iPod in the TOP 5!

ceriess
Dec 30, 2003, 11:24 AM
But I got a hot tub, so I'm not going to get whiny about it. I'm probably going to just buckle under and buy an iPod during Macworld...Although I'm probably not going to go for the mini.

JohnStrass
Dec 30, 2003, 11:25 AM
So, there is a niche for 4 and 2 GB after all. Apple with those could get a sweep of the top slots!!

Grimace
Dec 30, 2003, 11:26 AM
The current iPods pretty much crap out after being shaken (while running) for like 45 minutes.

would a Flash technology mini-ipod be easier to run with? As in, would it have the same skipping problems??

Steamboatwillie
Dec 30, 2003, 11:29 AM
Go iPod!

nmcphers
Dec 30, 2003, 11:30 AM
No DELL DJ in the top 5?

blueBomber
Dec 30, 2003, 11:30 AM
I can't even imagine the distance that Apple put between them and second place during the holidays. Everyone I know has an ipod now (except me, but that's because I just don't think I would use it that much).

arn
Dec 30, 2003, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by carletonmusic
The current iPods pretty much crap out after being shaken (while running) for like 45 minutes.

would a Flash technology mini-ipod be easier to run with? As in, would it have the same skipping problems??

I have doubts the mini-iPods will be Flash-based.

But yes, flash wouldn't skip.... the biggest problem with Flash-based players is that you will run out of songs to play after 45 minutes... since flash is costly and you don't get as much storage.

arn

Le Big Mac
Dec 30, 2003, 11:40 AM
This ranking is remarkable. The two non-Apple players are totally different beasts--only 128MB. The ipods are 80, 160, 320x as large (although, yes, more expensive). Totally different markets. A 128mb player is good only for short trips, and obviously appeals to the folks who aren't willing/able to put up $300+ for an MP3 player.

As the earlier post points out, apple could have the top 5 slots with reasonably priced 2gb/4gb players. Why pay $150 for 128MB when you can get 2gb of tunes?

Wow.

mrsebastian
Dec 30, 2003, 11:42 AM
"Of most interest in the overall best sellers category was the fact more expensive, high capacity players from Apple dominated the industry group with a smattering of cheaper, smaller capacity players interspersed. "This category alone tells you consumers are very much divided over what they want - cheaper players to play a small number of songs or more expensive players to house the entire library," said Baker."-from the article.

if you consider apple design, larg storage capacity, colors, starting at $99 (guessing), the hot product of the moment, and that apple sold roughly 1 million relatively expensive ipods already, i think apple will make an absolute killing with the minipod!

Lanbrown
Dec 30, 2003, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by carletonmusic
The current iPods pretty much crap out after being shaken (while running) for like 45 minutes.

would a Flash technology mini-ipod be easier to run with? As in, would it have the same skipping problems??

Well, a HD is a mechanical device; flash memory is electronic or solid-state. Flash does have a limit to vibration though, but it's much higher than a HD.

mhouse
Dec 30, 2003, 11:46 AM
The more I hear, the more I think we're going to see a cool, multi-colored flash-based line of iPods. Many people here at MacRumors have already voiced this and I just want to place my bet also.

If you look at this top five list, frankly there doesn't seem to be much of a market for a "mid-level" iPod (the rumored 2 or 4 gb models) along the the lines of a Rio Nitrus. Instead consumers seem to want either a huge HDD based player to take all of their music, or a small flash-based model for more active lifestyles.

The more I read, the more it becomes apparent that Apple could virtually corner the digital music market by releasing a flash-based player.

Of course a 2 gb model for 99 bucks truly would be awesome...just can't imagine how they could pull it off.

JoeRadar
Dec 30, 2003, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by arn
I have doubts the mini-iPods will be Flash-based.
One potential advantage to a Flash-based iPod is that the storage could be easily upgradeable. Buy a 256 MB flash card to start with, and then when you realize how much you like your iPod (or the price of the latest flash drops enough), then you can buy a larger flash card.

I have a Digital Rebel camera which is driving me into the Flash market. I think it would be cool to move cards back and forth between the camera and the iPod as needed.

Dstreelm
Dec 30, 2003, 12:01 PM
I disagree, i think there definatly is a niche for smaller capacity mp3 players. i personally have a 10gb gen 2 ipod, however before i got that around march of 03, i did have a samsung yepp(which was a piece of crap by the way) and my sister got that freaky triangular iriver one. she paid approximatly $150 for that because she didnt need her entire library, she just wanteed something small that she could use at the gym. if you look at the numbers, 2 of the top 5 are these small capacity cheap players because different people have different tastes and use electronics differently. i think its admirable(or at least business savvy) for apple to produce a products which can cater to a person's use of a product. i can tell you for sure that if a 2gb "mini" ipod were on the market when my sister bought her iriver, she would have gotten the ipod.

kubrick
Dec 30, 2003, 12:03 PM
The Daily Telegraph confirms that the mini iPods are coming next week and for only £65

(The journalist thinks that in Apple-land, $100 = £65, but there we go)

This is the first time I have ever seen such a rumour make front page broadsheet news here in the UK. Just goes to show how newsworthy the iPod has been over here this Christmas.

(I saw one for sale at John Lewis in Liverpool yesterday, if anyone's interested ;) It's the last one in the UK)

ITR 81
Dec 30, 2003, 12:03 PM
Market Analysts have said this yr is beginning of the end for flash players and next yr will be the beginning of HD players.

Knowing that I doubt Apple will use a flash based player unless its used in a phone or something.

I've exercised with my iPod on for over and hr and never had it crap out on me.
This includes running, jumping rope, biking and such..

bignumbers
Dec 30, 2003, 12:04 PM
Impressive placement. Obviously Apple is blowing away the real competition (I don't consider a 128K flash player competition; it's a completely different product).

I think the mini ipod will be HD-based. If the choice is a 512MB flash or 2GB HD for the same price (say, $80-$100 in bulk, for a $150-$200 iPod), Apple will go with the HD. Apple makes high-end products with high costs and margins. I don't see Apple intentionally getting into a price war with low-cost commodities.

ITR 81
Dec 30, 2003, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by JoeRadar
One potential advantage to a Flash-based iPod is that the storage could be easily upgradeable. Buy a 256 MB flash card to start with, and then when you realize how much you like your iPod (or the price of the latest flash drops enough), then you can buy a larger flash card.

I have a Digital Rebel camera which is driving me into the Flash market. I think it would be cool to move cards back and forth between the camera and the iPod as needed.

They already have this. It's called a Photo reader. It maybe slow but I'm sure a faster one will come about next yr.

If you got Rebel then you should've just gotten a 1GB card. Because I don't want to change out every 10 pics or so.

SiliconAddict
Dec 30, 2003, 12:11 PM
Since the other newer hard drive based devices were released in October/November I would expect ZERO impact by them. Even on Christmas/holiday sales I'd expect little impact since few people know about them yet. I'm predicting that the Dell device is going to start off in the top 10. Grab one of the top five by summer and from there itís all up to apple, their mini-iPod gambit, and how well they sell iTMS this spring/summer. The McDonalds/Pepsi promos should drastically increase user awareness of iTMS and as a result the iPod. Apple has one huge advantage over Dell. Retail outlets for sales.
I really believe that Dell will eventually take this road once they realize they arenít getting as many sales as they could if they used brick and mortar shops. My point is donít get cocky just yet. Let me know how the iPod is doing November of 2004 and then you can start gloating.

Powerbook G5
Dec 30, 2003, 12:14 PM
I am surprised the the iPod is doing so well with it's relatively high price tag compared to much of the competition, but that's wonderful. I have been holding off on getting one because I am unwilling to spend $300+ on an iPod with a massive capacity when I only have about a gig worth of songs, so I don't need to pay a premium for 10's of gigs of storage.

JoeRadar
Dec 30, 2003, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Dstreelm
I disagree, i think there definatly is a niche for smaller capacity mp3 players.
I don't see any problems with Apple trying to sew up every market segment - small memory-based players geared towards athletes, entry level 2-4 GB HD-based solutions for people who want to try iPods but not spend $300, and then the high-end models with 20-60 GB of storage for the serious audio fan (I have lots of books in addition to music on mine).

The more Apple can expand the market, make more money, expand mind-share, bring people into the iTunes and iTMS fold, and get people to think Apple is cool, the better it will be for Apple and Apple fans.

dongmin
Dec 30, 2003, 12:17 PM
Looking at the top five, the sweet spot seems to be $150 for the low end. If Apple can get a 512MB flash-based player for $149, why would people buy anything else.

We'll see. I'm dobutful Apple will do a flash-based player. And if it's HD-based, I think we're looking at $199 for entry, maybe $169 if we're lucky.

$169 - 2GB
$219 - 4GB
$269 - 10GB
$329 - 20GB
$399 - 40GB

My guess is that Dec. numbers will be somewhat different. I think Creative and Dell made much more of a marketing push in December. But then again, Apple probably owned the HD-based player market.

JoeRadar
Dec 30, 2003, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by ITR 81
They already have this. It's called a Photo reader. It maybe slow but I'm sure a faster one will come about next yr.

If you got Rebel then you should've just gotten a 1GB card. Because I don't want to change out every 10 pics or so.
I looked at transferring pictures to my iPod, but it still looked too clunky out in the field. I still carry my laptop with me, so in the evening I use iPhoto to store daily pictures on my laptop.

BTW, Apple should really promote the laptops and iPhoto for tourists. Great combination.

(With Jpeg compression, a 256 MB card holds about 100 pictures for the 6 megapixel camera.)

Ling
Dec 30, 2003, 12:29 PM
I agree. There is no reason for Apple to go with Flash. It doesn't mesh well with high-end or simplicity...imagine having 10 cards to sort through, even if each one had a different playlist.

However, I remembered reading a while back that a start-up had designed a cheaper and simpler 1 inch hard drive.

"The 1.5 GB drive, which has been in volume manufacturing since mid-April, sells for $65 in quantities of 10,000. The company is aiming for $50." - http://news.com.com/2100-1041-1012235.html

With a $50 drive, Apple may be able to stick an iPod together and still make a profit selling at $99. Even at $125-150, these would blow away the low end market.

Dstreelm
Dec 30, 2003, 12:33 PM
i think one of the reasons the ipod has done so well is the design...good design begets good marketing, and apple's marketing is top notch. i am an industrial design student myself, so i know a little about good design. the main reason i would never buy something like the archos jukebox or creative nomad is design and useability. i have a friend who bought a 20gb archos aroung the same time i got my ipod and he as saying how he got a better deal price/gb but when i tried to use the thing, the buttons were a pin to press and the scroll wheel on the side was basically unuseable, same for the nomad, i just found it clunky and difficult to use. To the average customer, just feeling the ipod in their hand versus the competition will sell them on one. That being siad, i think the biggest challenge with a smaller ipod is keeping the design consistant with the bigger one. i mean not the exact shape, but make people think of the larger ipod when they see the smaller one. another big problem is that with smaller size comes more difficulty with regard to well engineered buttins and screen size, that coupled with a "cool" factor will untimatley decide weather or not this thing will sell or not

Grimace
Dec 30, 2003, 12:35 PM
The biggest thing to keep in mind is that these figures were only for November. December sales went crazy - for Apple, Dell, Creative and everbody. The numbers might not change much, but it will definitely be interesting to see the December figures.

Trowaman
Dec 30, 2003, 12:37 PM
wow, #1.

Becuase I have an iPod which is the main media, does this make me a confmist to society?

wilco
Dec 30, 2003, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by ceriess
But I got a hot tub, so I'm not going to get whiny about it. I'm probably going to just buckle under and buy an iPod during Macworld...Although I'm probably not going to go for the mini.

Fascinating!

jero
Dec 30, 2003, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by JohnStrass
So, there is a niche for 4 and 2 GB after all. Apple with those could get a sweep of the top slots!!

for sure! i just hope mini's dont come in tacky colors.

eazyway
Dec 30, 2003, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by carletonmusic
The current iPods pretty much crap out after being shaken (while running) for like 45 minutes.

would a Flash technology mini-ipod be easier to run with? As in, would it have the same skipping problems??

The hard drive is not meant for running. BUT if you must . Select the music you want when you start and 15-17 minutes later take a run break and pick another set of songs. the iPod can hold up to 20 minutes in skip protected memory. If you go past the skip free time the unit will likely freeze and have to be rebooted.


and yes flash is meant to be used for running. So a small flash ie 128mb could hold around 30 songs or 90-100 minutes for a run.

eazyway
Dec 30, 2003, 01:03 PM
Are the retail numbers for walk in stores?
Plus the online retail ?

Does this include direct online sales ??

Gymnut
Dec 30, 2003, 01:12 PM
Well this list is of no surprise. I'm rather leary of flasy based players since I've gone through two Rio products crapping out on me. The iPod can be manually reset whereas my Rio's could not.

srobert
Dec 30, 2003, 01:21 PM
Top 5 players ó Megs for $

1. 10GB iPod ($299) = $0.03 / MB
2. 128MB Digitalway ($140) = $1.09 / MB
3. 20GB iPod ($399) = $0.02 / MB
4. 128MB iRiver ($119.99-$139.99) = about $1.00 / MB
5. 40GB iPod ($499) = $0.01 / MB

Conclusion: Apple's iPod = Good value. A cent a MB sounds good, especially compared to those Dollar a MB players... 100 times better ^_^

aldo
Dec 30, 2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by Dstreelm
i think one of the reasons the ipod has done so well is the design...good design begets good marketing, and apple's marketing is top notch. i am an industrial design student myself, so i know a little about good design.

You call yourself a design student and can't spell 'usability' correctly?! Turn OSX's auto spell checking feature on!

.a
Dec 30, 2003, 01:33 PM
my girlfriend got an ipod from me ... well, before that present i was kind of immune to the ipod's aura ... but now ... wow! this product just rocks an i am ready for one the soon some new pods come along ... home on ipod *sound* nice to me ... i even could have "my business on ipod" :)
i do not mind if there are coming 2 ode 60 gb pods, though i hope apple can stay at the top!
.a

redAPPLE
Dec 30, 2003, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by aldo
You call yourself a design student and can't spell 'usability' correctly?! Turn OSX's auto spell checking feature on!

i guess the guy is still using a different browser or an older OS... hmm? ;)

Dstreelm
Dec 30, 2003, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by aldo
You call yourself a design student and can't spell 'usability' correctly?! Turn OSX's auto spell checking feature on!

exactly, i said i was a design student, not an english major, i cant spell my way out of a first grade classroom, but that doesnt mean that im wrong

Thom_Edwards
Dec 30, 2003, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by aldo
You call yourself a design student and can't spell 'usability' correctly?! Turn OSX's auto spell checking feature on!

relax, tough guy... if you wanna sit around and correct people's english, go somewhere else.

what's even more pathetic on your end is that you didn't even include his "mistake" in the quote!

sorry for the off-topic everyone, but i've just about had it with people like aldo. if i sat here and nailed everyone on every little typo, mistake or misuse of the english language, "than" i would have the highest post count ever!

bring on the cheap ipods! :)

Dstreelm
Dec 30, 2003, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Thom_Edwards
relax, tough guy... if you wanna sit around and correct people's english, go somewhere else.

what's even more pathetic on your end is that you didn't even include his "mistake" in the quote!

sorry for the off-topic everyone, but i've just about had it with people like aldo. if i sat here and nailed everyone on every little typo, mistake or misuse of the english language, "than" i would have the highest post count ever!

bring on the cheap ipods! :)

thanks for backing me up, i know im new here, but the point of these boards is to discuss apple, not silly grammatical(i think thats right haha) errors

jvaska
Dec 30, 2003, 02:15 PM
nobody commented on that article from the Telegraph...i'm posting the link...this is GRRRRRRRRRREAT!

iPod buyers singing the blues (unless you haven't bought one yet) (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F12%2F30%2Fwipod30.xml&secureRefresh=)

MongoTheGeek
Dec 30, 2003, 02:17 PM
I said it in the color choice poll thread.

I want a Mood pod!

Steve, if you reading this send me one and you can claim that the idea is yours :D

Dstreelm
Dec 30, 2003, 02:20 PM
i dont know why they should be singin the blues...yeah they paid quite alot of money for an ipod, but the writer is forgetting that THEY GOT AN IPOD!!!! sure if thay had waited they could get a minipod, but the people who bought ipods probably arent the people who apple are targeting with the minipod, they are targeting buyers of iRiver flash mp3 players and the like

ddbean
Dec 30, 2003, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Dstreelm
"We waited all night for the light but
the dawn never broke..."

Welcome Dstreelm. Great to have newbies still interested in posting. (I'm not that far away from a newbie myself).
I was wondering what you are quoting in your sig? (And maybe you could credited them/it for future ref)

thx

rjfiske
Dec 30, 2003, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Thom_Edwards
relax, tough guy... if you wanna sit around and correct people's english, go somewhere else.

what's even more pathetic on your end is that you didn't even include his "mistake" in the quote!

sorry for the off-topic everyone, but i've just about had it with people like aldo. if i sat here and nailed everyone on every little typo, mistake or misuse of the english language, "than" i would have the highest post count ever!

bring on the cheap ipods! :)

...agreed, on all points.

... except your last one, kind of. Re: the cheaper iPods, I don't want a "cheaper" iPod. I want a "less-expensive" iPod. Big distinction. If I have to sacrifice the design, the ease of use, the coolness factor, etc, then forget it... I'll save up for a 10gb iPod.

Then again these are MY preferences. I don't want DVD Studio Pro either and yet people are buying that too. So I don't mind a less-expensive iPod being released, as long as it isn't "cheap". As soon as Apple releases something that's "cheap" it will diminish the Apple brand, whether rightfully so or not.

So, Mr. Thom I don't think we disagree on that, but I wanted to clarify...

-rjf

centauratlas
Dec 30, 2003, 02:27 PM
This is an odd story from London (different from the one mentioned above - note the phrasology):
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/8365047

The article says "Days after more than a million people paid up to £400 for the most popular hi-tech toy of Christmas, the iPod, manufacturer Apple *****has announced***** a cut-price mini version."

Note, it says "has announced." NOT "will announced." I can't find an announcement anywhere. Later it says "expected to unveil the cheaper iPod at a San Francisco exhibition next week."

Interesting. They must know something to phrase it that way. Some interesting notes:
1. It says "800 songs" (so if the ratios hold and this is accurate) that is about 3GB.
2. 65 lbs in the UK (cost not weight)
3. 1.3 million iPods sold for Christmas (I don't believe it, but it would be nice!). (".Up to 1.3million people bought the iPod for Christmas")

--------
[Had to edit because the URL was wrong.]

Apple launches mini iPod
By Richard Edwards, Evening Standard
30 December 2003

Days after more than a million people paid up to £400 for the most popular hi-tech toy of Christmas, the iPod, manufacturer Apple has announced a cut-price mini version.
...
But now Apple is set to release a smaller version, costing £65, which will be able to store 800 songs.

...Up to 1.3million people bought the iPod for Christmas, including a host of celebrities such as the Beckhams, Ronan Keating and Robbie Williams.
...


Related stories

ethernet76
Dec 30, 2003, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by arn
I have doubts the mini-iPods will be Flash-based.

But yes, flash wouldn't skip.... the biggest problem with Flash-based players is that you will run out of songs to play after 45 minutes... since flash is costly and you don't get as much storage.

arn

I've seen Japaneese cell phones that have built in MP3 players and you use flash memory in them. Of course these phones also had some weird lights on it for entertainment purposes, and built in cameras capable of taking low-quality video, but the weird part was it was like $126.

I wouldn't ditch my iPod, but when are we going to get crap like this?

ddbean
Dec 30, 2003, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by centauratlas
... They must know something to phrase it that way.

...Or they "know" something the same way The National Enquirer (Or was it The World"?) "knows" Bigfoot was shot by police last week.

Dstreelm
Dec 30, 2003, 02:37 PM
yeah i also dont think that apple would release a flash player because apple always likes to out-do the competition. like when the first ipod was released it was so much better than anything on the market, apple tends not to release something that someone has already made unless they do it incredibly better, and i think flash players have pretty much reached the end of their lives

by the way ive edited my sig, its a song off of Atmosphere's "Seven's Travels" album called "Apple" (no reference to the company in the song or anything, i just liked the line)

ethernet76
Dec 30, 2003, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by eazyway
The hard drive is not meant for running. BUT if you must . Select the music you want when you start and 15-17 minutes later take a run break and pick another set of songs. the iPod can hold up to 20 minutes in skip protected memory. If you go past the skip free time the unit will likely freeze and have to be rebooted.


and yes flash is meant to be used for running. So a small flash ie 128mb could hold around 30 songs or 90-100 minutes for a run.

From the iPod FAQ.

Question 9: Can I use iPod while running, or doing other activities? Will my music skip?
Answer: iPod was designed for people with an active lifestyle. It is compact and lightweight enough to take with you wherever you go. It was designed to fit comfortably in the palm of your hand or to be slipped into a pocket or purse for easy transport. iPod offers up to 20 minutes of skip protection - twice that of other hard drive-based MP3 players on the market - so you can enjoy outdoor athletic activities without missing a beat.

They clearly indicate that you should be able to run with it without skips. I run with it all the time. I hold it in my hand of course, no case, and it's the gen 1 5 gb. Even on 3 hour runs no skipping.

Dstreelm
Dec 30, 2003, 02:47 PM
ive never had the ipod skip on me...if i can run with my aiwa cd player which only has 10 second anti skip, and not have any problems, surely 20 minute anti skip is more than enough...i mean whean you run youre not like violently shaking the player or anything, at least i dont haha, i dont know about other people's running habits

RIP
Dec 30, 2003, 02:49 PM
the sales as indicated were of the Macintosh instead of the iPod. :(

Steven1621
Dec 30, 2003, 03:30 PM
if apple's new mini ipods are in the 100-200 dollar range, we can expect to see nearly total domination in that top five.

lewdvig
Dec 30, 2003, 03:51 PM
lets start a tablet rumor! this is too boring

Steamboatwillie
Dec 30, 2003, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by lewdvig
lets start a tablet rumor! this is too boring

<parody>
I heard, on a UK website of course, that Apple *HAS* announced a Mini Tablet and that all the folks who bought iBooks and Powerbooks should be upset. The new mini tablets come in every color, including 'Mood', except for white.
</parody>

:D

iPC
Dec 30, 2003, 04:10 PM
With statements like this:
Players below US$100 accounted for 40% of units sold in the overall MP3 player market, with those over US$150 accounting for 60%.I guess there is no player costing between US$101 and US$149.

I find this odd, seeming as the same article states that the #2 seller (units) is the $140 Digitalway 128MB.

GRAIN OF SALT. I hate stupid reporting like this. Journalistic responsibility? Heh.

RIP
Dec 30, 2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by Steamboatwillie
<parody>
I heard, on a UK website of course, that Apple *HAS* announced a Mini Tablet and that all the folks who bought iBooks and Powerbooks should be upset. The new mini tablets come in every color, including 'Mood', except for white.
</parody>

:D

I read somewhere that a engineering issue that has yet to be overcome occurs when one attempts to run with this tablet for more that 45 minutes (who has that much time anyway?) the screen skips.

It this is true, I wouldn't expect to see these anytime before the end of summer 04. Powerbook owners should start feeling better again.

J-Squire
Dec 30, 2003, 04:35 PM
The last line of the article notes that figures are for US sales only. Living outside the US, I can safely say that I have seen no advertising for other HD based MP3 players other than the iPod (which has been advertised everywhere).
Also, working in an Apple Store in Australia, I can say that iPods sold out state-wide, and most probably nation-wide by christmas eve.

So I would assume that Apple's worldwide figures would be even more impressive than these show.

.....let's hear it for my first post!

e2chris
Dec 30, 2003, 04:46 PM
If the 2gig is $100 or less I will be forced to buy one....

LethalWolfe
Dec 30, 2003, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by JoeRadar
I looked at transferring pictures to my iPod, but it still looked too clunky out in the field. I still carry my laptop with me, so in the evening I use iPhoto to store daily pictures on my laptop.

BTW, Apple should really promote the laptops and iPhoto for tourists. Great combination.

(With Jpeg compression, a 256 MB card holds about 100 pictures for the 6 megapixel camera.)

Maybe I missed something, but you don't like the reader because it looks too clunkly yet you still carry your laptop w/you to dump your pix onto? The reader is a bit larger than the iPod, and the xfer rate isn't too fast so on-the-fly use would be so-so, but it works great if what you need is a nightly dump of all your pix onto your iPod.


Lethal

hanq
Dec 30, 2003, 06:10 PM
i think its possible the mini ipods will be $100 read this (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/8365047) read the third paragraph (£65 is about $115)

xtremdav45
Dec 30, 2003, 06:32 PM
As a new owner of a 10 GB iPod I want to say that Apple can capture the low-capacity music player market by:
A) Making it cheaper than other players in the price range (either low capacity hard drive or flash)
B) marketing it like hell

and the reason why the iPod has done so well:
iTunes Music Store

Ktulu
Dec 30, 2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Ling
I agree. There is no reason for Apple to go with Flash. It doesn't mesh well with high-end or simplicity...imagine having 10 cards to sort through, even if each one had a different playlist.

However, I remembered reading a while back that a start-up had designed a cheaper and simpler 1 inch hard drive.

"The 1.5 GB drive, which has been in volume manufacturing since mid-April, sells for $65 in quantities of 10,000. The company is aiming for $50." - http://news.com.com/2100-1041-1012235.html

With a $50 drive, Apple may be able to stick an iPod together and still make a profit selling at $99. Even at $125-150, these would blow away the low end market.

Off topic, but I love your sig. I have seen many on here and I must say that most require you to have a slight bit of knowledge to understand.

Yes, I know mine are not all that thought provoking, least I don't think so.

Back to topic.

Scottgfx
Dec 31, 2003, 01:22 AM
I saw a TV commercial for the Dell Digital Jukebox today. Didn't make me want to have one. I still think the thing looks like the front end of a Buick. :P

alamar
Dec 31, 2003, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Since the other newer hard drive based devices were released in October/November I would expect ZERO impact by them. Even on Christmas/holiday sales I'd expect little impact since few people know about them yet. I'm predicting that the Dell device is going to start off in the top 10. Grab one of the top five by summer and from there itís all up to apple, their mini-iPod gambit, and how well they sell iTMS this spring/summer. The McDonalds/Pepsi promos should drastically increase user awareness of iTMS and as a result the iPod. Apple has one huge advantage over Dell. Retail outlets for sales.
I really believe that Dell will eventually take this road once they realize they arenít getting as many sales as they could if they used brick and mortar shops. My point is donít get cocky just yet. Let me know how the iPod is doing November of 2004 and then you can start gloating.

This is kinda the point. The free music is no good if nobody has the over priced player to take it with them. So, a consumer level iPod is needed. Still, it can't be a loss leader, otherwize the entire music division of Apple is a money pit.

A 5 gig would do just fine for me. I don't belive there is 40 gigs of music in the world that I need in my pocket.

gwangung
Dec 31, 2003, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by alamar
I don't belive there is 40 gigs of music in the world that I need in my pocket.

I'm afraid there is for me....:D

jvaska
Dec 31, 2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by e2chris
If the 2gig is $100 or less I will be forced to buy one....

i can feel steve jobs getting his gun loaded and pointed at my brain telling me also that i must buy...

and happily i will if this is true...v