wii or ps3

[ZOMG]

I am looking to buy a consul and I can't decide between a wii and a ps3. I have ruled out an 360 because you have to pay for live and an adapter which a wii or a ps3 comes with. Sure a 360 has better games but free online is worth more. Almost all of my friends say ps3/360 and I'm leaning that way but I have one VERY VERY persistent friend who is wii all the way and has outlined every little fault in the ps3 including
"its so heavy it will fall through the floor and crush my dad on the ground floor".:rolleyes:

What do you think?


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[Xander562]

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[ZOMG]

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[Ja Di ksw]

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[spyker3292]

Well... errrr.... I'll try to help. I have a Wii and a PS3.

Wii:
The Wii has a bunch of good games already out. Most of them are a bit kiddish but are still great games. The flow of h-core games is slowing down so if you are a hard core gamer don't get this. The online is the worst online ever. Most of the WiiWare sucks. Virtual console is good, but where's my HD??? I've got a huge pile of remote add ons because Nintendo needs a new add on for every one of their games. Zapper, wheel, fit board, nunchuck, classic...... Most of the Nintendo games are just remakes of older ones with some new stuff in the mix.

PS3:
The PS3 has a bunch of good games coming soon. Lots of great shooters, along with the sweetest game ever. LittleBigPlanet!!! The online is good. Nothing to complain about. Sure it's not Live but it's free. And Home is coming.. urggghhh... soon? I love the PSN titles, especially the PixelJunk titles. And there are some interesting ones coming soon like Fat Princess. With a PSP the remote play is great. The new PSN video store is ok but I've got an TV for that.


Well... I hope that helped. Any questions?

[kjr39]

Look at the games available...

I have a 360 and a Wii. Because the games I like to play are mostly on the 360, the Wii is collecting dust.

In fact, I'm waiting for Xmas season to hit and then I'm going to be putting the Wii up for sale because I just don't play it...

[Huntn]

Look at the games available...


Good advice. WII seems to focus on sports/party games due to it's controller but it also has at least one role playing game (the name escapes me) where you move the controller to swing your sword and other things. If you are into shooters, roleplaying, or other AAA games, I'd say the PS3 or 360 are the way to go.

[Apple Ink]

Er... Wii is exciting at first (with its amazing remote) but its futureproof index is zero considering its sub par graphics and abysmal output capabilities!

PS3 has BluRay, new games coming up and its powerful! But the current scenario (soon to change) is a bit boring!

[joekix]

i was in the same boat and ended up with a ps3. one thing i really like is streaming media from my mac to the ps3. blueray is a plus. little big planet looks awesome. i'd say go with the ps3 or 360.

[Chone]

You shouldn't rule out the 360 just because of the price of Live, not to mention you get what you pay for, it's only $50 a year not a month, if $4.16/month represents a financial problem for you then you shouldn't buy a console in the first place.

I'd go with a PS3, the Wii is great and all but it's mostly a Gamecube 2 with awesome party games (I'd say the Wii is the best system for playing with real friends, especially those that are not too much into games) but it does games games worth playing such as Mario Galaxy (the ONLY game to prove the Wii is more powerful than an Xbox1), Twilight Princess, Mario Kart Wii, Metroid Prime 3, Zack & Wiki, No More Heroes, Super Smash Bros Brawl as well as a few PS2/Cube ports if you missed them like Okami and Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition.

The PS3 on the other hand has quite competent online (not as good as Live though), has many games not available on PCs (unlike the 360 where most good exclusives are also available for PC) and has a very expansive library like Metal Gear Solid 4, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, PixelJunk, Ratchet & Clank Tools of Destruction, Uncharted, Resistance Fall of Man and all the other 360 multi-platforms like Grand Theft Auto IV, Devil May Cry 4, GRID, DiRT, Virtua Fighter 5, Unreal Tournament III, Burnout Paradise, Bad Company and Civ Revolutions with upcoming games such as LittleBigPlanet, Final Fantasy XIII (also available on 360), The Last Remnant, Bioshock (already available on PC and 360), Gran Turismo 5, Fat Princess and a bunch others.

I'd go for the PS3 for Metal Gear Solid 4 alone.

[JackAxe]

I vote for both, but ZOMG prefers PSP games, :o so the PS3 is probably a way better fit.

Shooters on a 360... BuwHhahahHhahahhahahahhaaaaa. :D

There are plenty of non party games on a Wii and plenty more to come now that it's the market leader. So we should be seeing true Wii games, not just more ports from last generation.

You should put the price of a PS3 towards a new PC though. :) Better games -- ALL of the games -- and none of the downfalls of owning a 360. But on the other hand, it sucks when 360 games are ported back to the PC -- stupid BioShock. :(

MicroCenter is selling a Q9450 (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0287628) for only $279 at the moment. Even the base 9600 GT leaves a PS3's GPU in the dust.

If I were a MSG fan, I would buy a PS3, but as is, this is the only game (http://www.brutallegendgame.com/us/index.html) that has me interested in getting one. I'll most likely hold off for another sub-par PC port, as I doubt this game will sell well on the PS3 and just OK on the 360.

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[Chone]

I vote for both, but ZOMG prefers PSP games, :o so the PS3 is probably a way better fit.

Shooters on a 360... BuwHhahahHhahahhahahahhaaaaa. :D

There are plenty of non party games on a Wii and plenty more to come now that it's the market leader. So we should be seeing true Wii games, not just more ports from last generation.

You should put the price of a PS3 towards a new PC though. :) Better games -- ALL of the games -- and none of the downfalls of owning a 360. But on the other hand, it sucks when 360 games are ported back to the PC -- stupid BioShock. :(

MicroCenter is selling a Q9450 (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0287628) for only $279 at the moment. Even the base 9600 GT leaves a PS3's GPU in the dust.

If I were a MSG fan, I would buy a PS3, but as is, this is the only game (http://www.brutallegendgame.com/us/index.html) that has me interested in getting one. I'll most likely hold off for another sub-par PC port, as I doubt this game will sell well on the PS3 and just OK on the 360.

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I agree actually, people who prefer shooters with a gamepad over a keyboard/mouse just have bad taste in videogames.

I used to buy consoles almost as soon as they came out, this gen though, my PC, with a 360 controller for some games like DMC4, and my DS have served my gaming needs almost completely, all I really want to play on consoles is MGS4, GTAIV (coming to PC most likely anyways), LittleBigPlanet and the Nintendo franchise games on the Wii.

[ZOMG]

yeah thanks for the advice. I'm probably going to go with ps3 since their are more+funner games. I've checked it out and the only games that interest me on the wii are supermariocart and brawl, both of which seem like their predecessors on the gamecube with a few added maps and characters. I do like shooter games eg. call of duty more then mario games so the ps3 seems right.

[spyker3292]

And you have to get LittleBigPlanet. That's like a rule of PS3 owning. Buy that game.

[Ivan P]

I have both, and they both have their pros and cons.

The PS3 is great for movies and Bluray, and is great if you're into more traditional gaming. On the downside, it is big and bulky. It looks good, yes, but it takes up a lot of room. Another good thing is, unlike the Wii, it doesn't have removable batteries and comes with a USB cable so you can charge it whenever you want.

The Wii is much more imaginative and fun, and has a variety of features that the PS3 lacks (such as the different channels), but currently lacks DVD playback ability and has the poorest graphics out of the three current 'mainstream' seventh gen consoles.

Personally, I prefer the PS3.

[Dagless]

I'd go for the Wii. As I always say - both the 360 and PS3 have experiences you can get with a PC, just with higher game prices, lower resolutions and worse controls (for some genres and in the 360's case its most popular genre). The Wii is the only one that offers something different IMO. I still play Wii Sports, Brawl is quite the ultimate game for everything, home of the best (IMO) Mario and Mario Kart titles.

And of course you have the VC. I missed out on many older games so it's great being able to play catchup with classics.


Out of interest I wonder if any of the pro-PS3 people saying the Wii has "the poorest graphics of this gen" said the same thing about the PS1 and 2.

[zelmo]

If you are a huge fan of Nintendo IP then you should get a Wii, although I personally don't think any of the Mario titles available are that much better than their 'Cube [Smash] or DS [Kart] counterparts. I hope developers stop pasting Wii controls onto lame PS2 ports and start making games for the Wii.

OTOH, I am playing the PS3 far more than any other console [have all of the current and last gen consoles] lately. BR playback and DVD upscaling are great add-on's if you have an HD TV, giving the PS3 the nod over the 360 for me. Exclusives like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Motorstorm, Hot Shots Golf, and several of the PSN games are loads of fun.

[benmrii]

I'd go for the Wii. As I always say - both the 360 and PS3 have experiences you can get with a PC, just with higher game prices, lower resolutions and worse controls (for some genres and in the 360's case its most popular genre). The Wii is the only one that offers something different IMO. I still play Wii Sports, Brawl is quite the ultimate game for everything, home of the best (IMO) Mario and Mario Kart titles.

And of course you have the VC. I missed out on many older games so it's great being able to play catchup with classics.


Out of interest I wonder if any of the pro-PS3 people saying the Wii has "the poorest graphics of this gen" said the same thing about the PS1 and 2.

That is quite well said, and accurate. The only bonus to having a PS3 and XBox, taking that into consideration, is if you can't wait to have the new games and want them immediately. In other words, is it worth it to you to pay more money and have lesser graphics just to be able to play GTA IV right now?

Also, I <3 VC.

[spyker3292]

That is quite well said, and accurate. The only bonus to having a PS3 and XBox, taking that into consideration, is if you can't wait to have the new games and want them immediately. In other words, is it worth it to you to pay more money and have lesser graphics just to be able to play GTA IV right now?

Also, I <3 VC.

You still won't get access to some great exclusives for each console. The thing is the Wii just doesn't have any amazing new innovative titles. It's just old games with crappy controls. I'd have to say look at a list of exclusives and pick your fav. It's the easiest way :P.

[Dagless]

You still won't get access to some great exclusives for each console. The thing is the Wii just doesn't have any amazing new innovative titles. It's just old games with crappy controls.

That's an odd thing to say.
Mario Kart, Galaxy, Wii Sports, Brawl, Prime 3 (out of the games I own) don't exactly fit your formula. And don't some old games also perform better with the "crappy controls", ie Resident Evil 4.

What are these great exclusives? The only console game that probably should be out on PC too is MGS4, and it's entirely likely it'll end up on that system in time given Konami's approach to compression. The Bioshocks, the Mass Effects, the GTA's and Halo's all end up on the PC - or the best (Orange Box) start off on the PC.

[spyker3292]

That's an odd thing to say.
Mario Kart, Galaxy, Wii Sports, Brawl, Prime 3 (out of the games I own) don't exactly fit your formula. And don't some old games also perform better with the "crappy controls", ie Resident Evil 4.

Mario Kart is just all the other Mario Karts with some items that just piss me off, new levels, and ok controls. Galaxy was good, Wii Sports get old fast, Melee was a lot better than Brawl, Prime 3 was good.

[benmrii]

Mario Kart is just all the other Mario Karts with some items that just piss me off, new levels, and ok controls. Galaxy was good, Wii Sports get old fast, Melee was a lot better than Brawl, Prime 3 was good.

raggedjimmi's point was that the Wii is basically the only console that actually has

access to some great exclusives...

The others have games that either start or end up on the PC, and are always better there. Your opinion is valid, and if you don't like the Wii controls you probably shouldn't own one, but the reality of "exclusive" titles is considerably more present on the Wii.

[spyker3292]

^^^
Don't get me wrong. I don't hate the Wii. Just there aren't many new games that actually look good. And if anyone watched the E3 conference...... that was just sad :(. This is PS3 or Wii. I'm not seeing many PS3 exclusives going to PC, or even a possibility of that. Lots of the best 360 exclusives are published by Microsoft so Microsoft ports them to PC too. And maybe this person who asked the question doesn't have and/or want a new computer.... Just saying.

[Chone]

I agree with Jimmi in the sense the 360/PS3 are not much beyond a wannabe Gaming PC (stupid Microsoft and stupid Sony for following suit) but what happens when you don't have a powerful PC or any intention to get one?

Currently I have a good gaming PC and a Nintendo DS, if I had a Wii all I would be really missing out on would be MGS4 (a big loss though, I'm a huge MGS fan :() and GTA4 (coming to the PC anyways) and some upcoming games like Resident Evil 5 which looks darned awesome.

If I didn't have a gaming PC I'd prefer to have a PS3 though, it has less "look I want to be a PC game" games and more games that work better on consoles. The Wii, while great and fun, doesn't offer enough, Mario Kart Wii is pretty fun but it plays almost exactly like MKDS (with better online and no snaking though), Galaxy is a pretty awesome game with great graphics, one of the few standouts in the Wii's library but I feel the Wii works better as a secondary console, especially when you can play with real friends (who aren't even into gaming).

[Dagless]

But you said good exclusives, not forgettable titles like Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted and friends. Games like Resistance are ten a penny, especially on the 360 and especially on PC.

And saaaaywhaaaat? I've got a 2 year old iMac that runs Orange Box and Bioshock very nicely. Where's it written that they need an expensive, modern PC to cope with games that are also on the 360 and PS3? If I drop my resolution down to what GTA IV's, MGS4, Halo 3 then I'm sure my iMac could run them quite admirably too. Just with faster loading times.

[zelmo]

But you said good exclusives, not forgettable titles like Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted and friends.

Funny. That's exactly how I feel about Smash, Mario Kart Wii, Twilight Princess, and Excite Truck - forgettable titles all. I'd rather play Strikers Charged or Wii Sports than pretty much any other title on the Wii.

It always comes down to which games you like to play. And we all have our opinions, yes?:)

[Dagless]

Yep :)

But even I love a bit of the Excite Truck and Strikers and I still call them forgettable. Not the others mind ;)

[benmrii]

Did someone say Excitebike?

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[Antares]

If possible, I would say get a Wii and a PS3. That's what I have. Actually, I wish the two systems could be merged together. The Wii has awesome controls and the PS3 has amazing graphics. First Person Shooters are best on the Wii (yes, even better than PC's), but the graphics aren't great. And Wii has super fun games like Mario Kart, Smash Bros Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Fire Emblem, Mario Galaxy, Zack & Wiki, etc., etc....many great upcoming games, the best retro downloadable games (in the Virtual Console) and a nice selection of new downloadable games (and upcoming) on WiiWare.

The Wii is the most "fun" system. The PS3 is the most "cool" system with the best graphics and a great online experience...plus, the pure bliss of Blu-ray movies. Tough call on what you should get. If you truly can only get one, I would slightly be more inclined toward the Wii. But a PS3 would still be a wonderful purchase.

[spyker3292]

The Wii really needs more FPSs. Prime 3 pretty much mastered the Wii FPS control scheme. Hasn't been much since that. Least the conduit is coming.

[2nyRiggz]

Funny. That's exactly how I feel about Smash, Mario Kart Wii, Twilight Princess, and Excite Truck - forgettable titles all.

You hit the nail right on the head....All of these titles were forgotten a month in their prime for me...Oh and don't leave out Metroid Prime: Corruption(and I'm a big fan but not this one) on that forgettable list.

OP I think you should think about the games you're interested in and then make your purchase. We could argue this for ages because in the end everyone on the board have their own peference......you just got to look for yours.



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[Mr. lax]

I have both and I only use the PS3, and besides when Little Big Planet comes out it will make every other console pale in comparison (bad pun because the other consoles are white).

[northy124]

I have a PS3 and to be honest I don't play it very much now, My little brother however does and he play's every game we have from Euro 2008 to GTA IV (Football to Violence), I have been playing on my mates Wii and I love it I can play golf (Tiger Woods) while it rains out side, NFL 08 is well hard to start with but gets better and now the Wii Fit (Which is sold out everywhere, I will be getting 2 Wii Fit's next week to sell BTW) is amazing I have now taken up exercising again (I'm lazy) and I must say I feel great after I use it.

I say get the Wii. Also there is a rumour that the Wii will be dropped in price in the next month or two.

Northy

[benmrii]

... the Wii Fit ... is amazing I have now taken up exercising again (I'm lazy) and I must say I feel great after I use it.

The Wii Fit really is amazing, particularly because of the effect it is having on regular folks who are getting at least some exercise in place of none. Honestly, I'd be on that thing every day trying to jack my numbers if I wasn't spending for a gym membership as well.

[MacHappytjg]

all i have to say is if ur looking for good online gaming and challenging ones or good ones and higg def go for the ps3, otherwise if ur just looking to play around and have fun go for the wii. (not saying the ps3 isnt fun it is alot i own one myself and soon a wii ppossibly).

[e²Studios]

After I beat a few of the forgettable titles mentioned above, as well as super paper mario and Okami my Wii has been doing nothing except collecting dust. It does that well though :p

It still bugs me that they released a new accesory to make the wiimote more 1:1, it should have been that way from the beginning. That accessory says to me that Nintendo is admiting their first run at the wiimote was flawed, unfortunatly us as consumers have to pay for their mistake.

My PS3 sees daily game play (online and single player), lots of BD movies, and a few DL video rentals. As far as bang for my buck the PS3 has paid back in dividends while the Wii tends to just sit there waiting for the next title that might make me play it again.

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[benmrii]

It still bugs me that they released a new accesory to make the wiimote more 1:1, it should have been that way from the beginning. That accessory says to me that Nintendo is admiting their first run at the wiimote was flawed, unfortunatly us as consumers have to pay for their mistake.

This may come across as a bit fanboi, but I don't think that's an accurate conclusion. None of the games that Nintendo or 3rd parties released were produced for 1:1 use of the Wiimote. None of them, given their mechanics, would even necessarily benefit from 1:1.

The addition to the Wiimote is an upgrade that is a) optional and b) used only in specific games, some of which will include the hardware update.

To me, you're comparing an N64 controller to an NES controller. The N64 games needed more buttons, so their controllers have them. Future Wii games may take advantage of 1:1, so the controller's addition will provide it. That's not a perfect analogy either, but it's how I see it.

Just my two cents. :)

[Chone]

This may come across as a bit fanboi, but I don't think that's an accurate conclusion. None of the games that Nintendo or 3rd parties released were produced for 1:1 use of the Wiimote. None of them, given their mechanics, would even necessarily benefit from 1:1.

The addition to the Wiimote is an upgrade that is a) optional and b) used only in specific games, some of which will include the hardware update.

To me, you're comparing an N64 controller to an NES controller. The N64 games needed more buttons, so their controllers have them. Future Wii games may take advantage of 1:1, so the controller's addition will provide it. That's not a perfect analogy either, but it's how I see it.

Just my two cents. :)

Think about what you are saying... what comes first? The hardware or the software?, of course the hardware and then developers make their games based on that, given the Wii's inability to do 1:1 then it's obvious none of the games released for it are going to be produced for 1:1 or with 1:1 even in mind.

Just a thought, the sequence of events in your logic is all messed up :p

I think the addition to the Wiimote is good in the sense that at least now the Wii's controls are a lot more precise, I'm not so sure about it being able to do 1:1 but at least it's a possibility now. The bad thing is Nintendo not implementing it from the get-go and now charging for it as a separate accesory, this will only scare developers away from creating MotionPlus games because not everyone will have a motionplus add-on (bundling it would also be expensive and forcing consumers to buy would be a ****). Nintendo needs to include the thing with new Wiimotes and Wiis.

[benmrii]

Think about what you are saying... what comes first? The hardware or the software?, of course the hardware and then developers make their games based on that, given the Wii's inability to do 1:1 then it's obvious none of the games released for it are going to be produced for 1:1 or with 1:1 even in mind.

Just a thought, the sequence of events in your logic is all messed up :p

That was the point I was trying to make. :) I was responding to e²Studios in an attempt to say just that... 1:1 via a Wiimote addition isn't an overdue add-on fixing a flawed control, it's an upgrade, creating new opportunities for functionality that will have no affect on previous games but will open up more opportunities for future ones.

The flawed logic, IMO, is stating that it should have been present from the beginning. Why? I get the frustration that it will cost money, but Nintendo has already stated it will be packaged with their games and we have no idea how much it will actually cost.

[Chone]

That was the point I was trying to make. :) I was responding to e²Studios in an attempt to say just that... 1:1 via a Wiimote addition isn't an overdue add-on fixing a flawed control, it's an upgrade, creating new opportunities for functionality that will have no affect on previous games but will open up more opportunities for future ones.

The flawed logic, IMO, is stating that it should have been present from the beginning. Why? I get the frustration that it will cost money, but Nintendo has already stated it will be packaged with their games and we have no idea how much it will actually cost.

e²Studios probably meant to say that 1:1 should have been available from the beginning so developers could take advantage of it.

Releasing MotionPlus now... I'm not sure if many developers will get on board.

You say games don't need 1:1 controls, well they don't really need the wiimote in the first place either but having a different control scheme with all-new possibilities opens up a lot of new creative ideas for games, having 1:1 from the beginning would certainly have had a positive impact on most (if not all) games

And 1:1 was something that everyone thought the Wii had, I mean, that's the whole point, being able to play your games doing actual movements, not replacing punching buttons with waggling remote controls.

[Dagless]

Way to get MotionPlus controls in every Wii home - Bundle it with a new Wii Sports game and sell it cheap (Wiiplay price). Isn't there a large attach ratio of Wii Sports to Wii consoles in Japan (where it's not bundled with the console)?

Build MotionPlus into new Wii controllers.

It's also something that couldn't have been implemented 2 years ago. Look at the size of MotionPlus now! It's ruddy massive! Imagine the size of it 2 years back, you'd never get that into a comfortably sized controller.
But hopefully they do shrink it down before launch. I also await Ben Hecks version to upgrade my old controls :D

[benmrii]

e²Studios probably meant to say that 1:1 should have been available from the beginning so developers could take advantage of it. ...

... having 1:1 from the beginning would certainly have had a positive impact on most (if not all) games

I don't disagree that it would have been interesting had it been present from the beginning, but this argument is akin to saying that Nintendo's NES system should have had a controller with more buttons because they could have done more. It's not some afterthought 8th button, it's basically a new controller given the upgrade.

And 1:1 was something that everyone thought the Wii had, I mean, that's the whole point, being able to play your games doing actual movements, not replacing punching buttons with waggling remote controls.

Some people thought the "teleport" application for the iPhone would work in conjunction with the GPS and Google aspects to teleport you all over the world. Just because people don't understand technology before buying it doesn't make it a bad product because their expectations were wrong. ;)

[Antares]

It still bugs me that they released a new accesory to make the wiimote more 1:1, it should have been that way from the beginning. That accessory says to me that Nintendo is admiting their first run at the wiimote was flawed, unfortunatly us as consumers have to pay for their mistake.

What would be the alternative? Wait for the next Nintendo console for them to have a true 1:1 controller? Once games trully started being developed for the Wii, and developers tried for 1:1 control, Nintendo realized that the original design was not accurate enough for true 1:1 (it was very close..look at the bat in baseball on Wii Sports). So, instead of going "ah well" they are doing something about it. We should be glad. Sure, it's something that should have been there from the start..but maybe they thought it was.

Do you expect them to so that for free? The N64 expansion pack wasn't free either but made supported games look better. Just like the expansion pack, you don't have to buy MotionPlus. I'm sure most games will support both it and the regular Wii Remote.

[Mr. lax]

What would be the alternative? Wait for the next Nintendo console for them to have a true 1:1 controller? Once games trully started being developed for the Wii, and developers tried for 1:1 control, Nintendo realized that the original design was not accurate enough for true 1:1 (it was very close..look at the bat in baseball on Wii Sports). So, instead of going "ah well" they are doing something about it. We should be glad. Sure, it's something that should have been there from the start..but maybe they thought it was.

Do you expect them to so that for free? The N64 expansion pack wasn't free either but made supported games look better. Just like the expansion pack, you don't have to buy MotionPlus. I'm sure most games will support both it and the regular Wii Remote.

This is true, and you provide a good point with the N64 expansion pack. The frustrating thing about that is it wasn't available when originally released.

Which other company does that and screws the early adopters?....
OOH OOH PICK ME, PICK ME, I KNOW THE ANSWER!!! Apple does!

This is IMHO a technique used by developers and companies to have the cheapest initial product then abuse the uniqueness of their product to increase sales.

Just my 2c

[Dagless]

This is true, and you provide a good point with the N64 expansion pack. The frustrating thing about that is it wasn't available when originally released.

I know what you mean. I was so annoyed when I bought my SDTV in 1997 only to find it wasn't capable of HD resolutions. Or that my PS2 didn't come with a Blue Ray drive.

[MacRumorUser]

Releasing MotionPlus now... I'm not sure if many developers will get on board.


Whilst the wii continues to outsell both the PS3 & 360 combined then yes developers will get on board.

[Chone]

I know you guys love your Wiis, I don't have one but I've played it a lot and I think it's a great console.

But please, find better arguments, some of the analogies and points are not really related or even logical.

Don't mean to flame, I'm just trying to incentive a more intelligent, objective discussion.

[JackAxe]

Everybody here should just sell their consoles and come back to PC gaming. :)

<]=)

[e²Studios]

Everybody here should just sell their consoles and come back to PC gaming. :)

<]=)

Why, so you can go back to upgrading hardware to the latest and greatest every 6-12 months (and thats being conservative with time, its usually much shorter). With a console you are usually safe hardware wise for 6 years.

No thanks, I'll take upgrading every 6 years to play the latest and greatest games, not every 6 months.

[2nyRiggz]

Everybody here should just sell their consoles and come back to PC gaming. :)


If that happens then all we'll have to play which is remotely good is games running on the source engine(which is questionable)....and WoW....I can't be stuck in that puddle.


PC boys flame on!....oh I kid, I love PC gaming.


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[alphaod]

If that happens then all we'll have to play which is remotely good is games running on the source engine(which is questionable)....and WoW....I can't be stuck in that puddle.


PC boys flame on!....oh I kid, I love PC gaming.


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Keyboard + Mouse pwnz0rs every other controller for non-simulation gaming. Obviously, joysticks for flying, steering wheel and pedal for driving, and well that's about it.

[JackAxe]

When you said flame on, did you burst into flames? :o

Yep, only the Source Engine, ID-Tech 5 engine, Unreal 3 Engine, and others like Gamebryo to name a few of many. Sounds like you're already in the same puddle. :)

I'm joking of course about the whole abandon your console thing, but there are a ton of games on the PC that are worth playing, that have yet to make it to a console.

Then there are games like StarCraft 2 --which should be great -- and Dota, which is freaking unbelievably great! Both of these games would be atrocious on a console.

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[Mr. lax]

When you said flame on, did you burst into flames? :o

Good call +1

e²Studios put forth a very good point about upgrading consoles vs upgrading PC's

LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC THOUGH!!!! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WII VS PS3 COME ON PEOPLE

[imaketouchtheme]

SSBB, game over.

[Chone]

Why, so you can go back to upgrading hardware to the latest and greatest every 6-12 months (and thats being conservative with time, its usually much shorter). With a console you are usually safe hardware wise for 6 years.

No thanks, I'll take upgrading every 6 years to play the latest and greatest games, not every 6 months.

That's funny, you don't upgrade consoles but in 4-5 years you are stuck with outdated games with crummy graphics and running at 1280x720 which is barely a step-up from 1024x768 just dying for the next gen to start.

On a PC you can upgrade on a 2 year basis and get the best graphics there are no "next-gen" the platform is constantly evolving, it's pretty great, $1000 can get you a great PC with a nice 1680x1050 monitor, if you spend $400-$500 more in the span of 4 years you can keep your games on the fullest settings. That's a total investment of $1400-$1500 including a 1680x1050 monitor and that's could even be lowered.

A console costs about $250-$400 but games cost more ($10 more for new releases), go down in price at a lesser rate, have expensive accesories, in the case of the 360 an online subscription ($50 a year for 4-5 years, $200-$250) and a nice HDTV which should run you maybe $1000 and still only runs games at 1280x720 (it will have 1080p probably but no console can render graphics at such a high res except for a bunch of games). We are looking at more than $1400-$1500, sure you don't NEED an HDTV, but then again you barely need a $400-500 PC to run even the latest games at standard definition TV's resolution.

PCs are everything but I won't take the price argument anymore, you can say they are hard to use, hard to build, don't have as many good games, have buggy games, require you to keep yourself informed or whatever but they are not overpriced as a gaming platform and any console gamer out there can afford a gaming PC, they just don't know it.

BTW I'm not saying you have to like to PC gaming and have to switch right away, I'm just saying, if price is going to be an argument not to get a gaming PC then you might as well just shut up.

[Mr. lax]

SSBB, game over.

Not so much, I bought it a couple days ago and finished everything in 2 days... It's one of those games with no depth to the game play.

[Dagless]

Not so much, I bought it a couple days ago and finished everything in 2 days... It's one of those games with no depth to the game play.

Yea, but don't lie. I got mine a day before the UK launch (25th June IIRC), I play it religiously for 3-4 hours per day and I've only just unlocked all levels and god knows how many challenges I've got to beat. And of course 100% on Subspace, unlocking all target smash levels, unlocking all songs, getting at least all the fighters classic and smash trophies.

Some people seem to think that getting all the characters means they've beaten the game. It's also more obvious you haven't beaten the game when you say there's no depth to the gameplay.
There is so much depth, so much to unlock, so many modes that it isn't funny.

[JackAxe]

Good call +1

e²Studios put forth a very good point about upgrading consoles vs upgrading PC's

LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC THOUGH!!!! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WII VS PS3 COME ON PEOPLE

Shhhhhh! They might here you. ¬¬

I'm with Chone on PC's and there's nothing wrong with owning BOTH a Wii and PS3, so I resent the segregation that this thread promotes. :]

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[2nyRiggz]

^exactly, we've done this topic to death and the horse as already rotted. There is no reason why a person can't own both.....PS3 and wii appeal to their target audience.

Lets not go through this VS thing again.

Note: I was joking about the PC thing :)

Bless

[Mr. lax]

Shhhhhh! They might here you. ¬¬

I'm with Chone on PC's and there's nothing wrong with owning BOTH a Wii and PS3, so I resent the segregation that this thread promotes. :]

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HAHAHAHA, to quote a great gamer "I you beat a dead horse the constant twitching seems to give some signs of life and encouragement" (or something like that)

This is like religion guys, no matter who argues or fights for what the subtle differences will always screw you

[Mr. lax]

Yea, but don't lie. I got mine a day before the UK launch (25th June IIRC), I play it religiously for 3-4 hours per day and I've only just unlocked all levels and god knows how many challenges I've got to beat. And of course 100% on Subspace, unlocking all target smash levels, unlocking all songs, getting at least all the fighters classic and smash trophies.

Some people seem to think that getting all the characters means they've beaten the game. It's also more obvious you haven't beaten the game when you say there's no depth to the gameplay.
There is so much depth, so much to unlock, so many modes that it isn't funny.

But thats not depth! That's repetitive button mashing, there is only so much depth a game can have with 2 button controls. And after awhile it all blends together as more of the same anyways.

[Dagless]

But thats not depth! That's repetitive button mashing, there is only so much depth a game can have with 2 button controls. And after awhile it all blends together as more of the same anyways.

Again, it sounds like you're either not a good Smash Bros player or that you haven't played it on the higher difficulties or against good players. Attack, special attack, grab and shield hardly counts as 2 buttons, especially when the type of attack is then determined by which direction you're pressing too.

Surprises me how it's people who don't play Brawl much who say it's just a button basher. Try playing like that against a pro. Be sure to save the replay and upload it to Youtube.

[Ja Di ksw]

Again, it sounds like you're either not a good Smash Bros player or that you haven't played it on the higher difficulties or against good players. Attack, special attack, grab and shield hardly counts as 2 buttons, especially when the type of attack is then determined by which direction you're pressing too.

Surprises me how it's people who don't play Brawl much who say it's just a button basher. Try playing like that against a pro. Be sure to save the replay and upload it to Youtube.

I only played the older versions of Smash a couple times, and didn't know what I was doing. It was definitely a button basher game for me. No clue what was happening.

I bought Brawl mainly because my friends were going to have it and wanted to play online. I knew I would get beat down, but thought it might at least be fun with online play. I have learned that it is *not* a button basher game. At all. Tons of moves, tons of strategy, and then you start throwing in levels that affect your play and crazy items, there's a lot going on! I'm loving it now, though I would probably be considered a medium-low skilled player.

I can see how some people would think of it as a button basher, and why those people would not like it (I didn't when that's all I knew!). I think if they took some time to learn - really learn and not just play vs. 3 computers and hit buttons - then I think they would like it more.

[benmrii]

But thats not depth! That's repetitive button mashing, there is only so much depth a game can have with 2 button controls. And after awhile it all blends together as more of the same anyways.

Sorry... are you suggesting that the amount of buttons a game utilizes has a direct effect on the depth of a game!? :confused:

[Zieg3rman]

So why not a 360? You save money(which you can then spend on Live...) and MANY of the exclusive games that the PS3 had, Sony lost to the 360. The big ones that come to mind are GTA and FF XIII. I am very happy with my 360 and I have tried playing on a friend's PS3. I played GTA on his and it looked better than on my 360 but he was playing his PS3 on an $800 LCD monitor while my 360 isn't hooked up to one. Although the Cell processor is more powerful than the hardware the 360 uses, I haven't seen a huge difference for the few hundred more you spend on a PS3 vs a 360. You could always give you money to Sony because they really need it right now because no one is buying their system... :(

[northy124]

The big ones that come to mind are GTA and FF XIII.

First GTA IV is on both consoles, Second FF XIII is also on both consoles we haven't lost a thing you just gained one more (In my opinion) crap game.

Get the Wii get fit.

[ghall]

In my fanboyish opinion, you should go for the Wii. Mario Kart, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, and Mario Galaxy are some of my favorite games evah!

[Ja Di ksw]

Yeah, I admit that I'm very happy with my Wii so that skews my opinion (though I think the PS3 and XBox360 both have good games!), but I think you should go with the Wii. I've got 19 games, 1 of them I'm not a big fan of (admittedly I haven't given it much of a chance), a couple more I would say are "decent", and then all the others I love. I literally can't keep up with how many games there are that I want to play. About half my games aren't "finished" yet because other great ones keep coming out that I want to play. I still to this day enjoy playing every game I have for the Wii (with 1 or 2 exceptions), and am trying to go back and "finish" them all.

[Dagless]

Oh I had to give up 100%ing Mario Kart, Galaxy and even playing far into Prime because of Brawl.

But going back to what you said earlier - I now find Melee to be more of a button basher than Brawl. The slower speed, lighter aerial physics and more strategic items in Brawl add reems to the depth and possibility of more gameplay techniques. I find removing items from Brawl for a good 1v1 fight is much more fun than the same in Melee.

Also the way in which Brawl does "achievements" is the best yet. It's not just like the Xbox where the achievement is the reward, unlocking the challenges in Brawl in turn give you rewards back (new songs, levels, trophies etc). More games need this. Even Valve are doing it with the TF2 unlockable weapons tied to unlocking a certain number of achievements per update.

[sikkinixx]

Shhhhhh! They might here you. ¬¬

I'm with Chone on PC's and there's nothing wrong with owning BOTH a Wii and PS3, so I resent the segregation that this thread promotes. :]



^exactly, we've done this topic to death and the horse as already rotted. There is no reason why a person can't own both.....PS3 and wii appeal to their target audience.

Lets not go through this VS thing again.

Note: I was joking about the PC thing :)

Bless

YOU CAN'T LIKE BOTH!!! DIDN'T YOU GET THE MEMO!!>>!11/!?!>??! PICK YOUR SIDE!1!

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[Silver-Fox]

PS3, a real console none of this moving about crap :P thats what we have real sports for, they are much better in real life

[JackAxe]

Who said you need to move (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjLg1NeWDE8) when you play the Wii. :)

It's fun sometimes to go back and forth on things. My friend put it best, it's just like sports teams and then he went on to say something that I can't recall, so I'm useless. :o

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[Mr. lax]

... And now I'm done arguing about brawl because i just got owned.

OK GUYS HERE IT COMES! THE MORAL OF THE STORY!!!!

PICK THE CONSOLE THAT YOU FEEL SUITS YOUR NEEDS! NOT THE NEEDS OF THOSE AROUND YOU

WOOHOO NO MORE FANBOY ARGUMENTS... ya right...

[Ja Di ksw]

... And now I'm done arguing about brawl because i just got owned.

OK GUYS HERE IT COMES! THE MORAL OF THE STORY!!!!

PICK THE CONSOLE THAT YOU FEEL SUITS YOUR NEEDS! NOT THE NEEDS OF THOSE AROUND YOU

WOOHOO NO MORE FANBOY ARGUMENTS... ya right...

Yeah, I think everyone already knew that this was Step 2.

Step 1 is get a Wii :D

I kid! I kid!

[Dagless]

More big fonts?

[ChrisK018]

These all-caps large font arguments are convincing me of something, but I don't know what, since I have a PS3 and Wii.

Still can't get into the 360 or PC gaming.

[Mr. lax]

Ya... I quit. I'm going back into my cave (for this topic anyways) until the next generation of consoles.

Toodles

[northy124]

Ya... I quit. I'm going back into my cave (for this topic anyways) until the next generation of consoles.

Toodles

It's BIN LADIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JackAxe]

More big fonts?

I second more BIG FONTS. :)
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[Chone]

This thread is HILARIOUS

Big fonts for the win

[Silver-Fox]

It's BIN LADIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good find! :D

[sikkinixx]

These all-caps large font arguments are convincing me of something, but I don't know what, since I have a PS3 and Wii.

Still can't get into the 360 or PC gaming.

YOU CAN'T OWN BOTH!!! FOR OR AGAINST!

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/23/dennisdyack_2.jpg


I didn't know you could go higher than size 5.... :D:D:D

[Mr. lax]

I second more BIG FONTS. :)
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Third #3

[JackAxe]

Your fonts are PUNY! :p

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[sikkinixx]

YOUR SMILEYS ARE PUNY!

http://driph.com/words/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/awesome.gif

[MacRumorUser]

:rolleyes: you're all nuts

[Ja Di ksw]

YOUR SMILEYS ARE PUNY


http://dennisjudd.com/albums/funpics/fry.sized.jpg

[ChrisK018]

All your big fonts...
Are Belong To Us!

[2nyRiggz]

It rubs the lotion on its skin....it does whatever its told.

It rubs the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again.

Yes it does precious.



Bless

[JackAxe]

I'm soooooo over the huge thing, here's a tiny elephant.
http://media.bigoo.ws/content/gif/elephants/elephants_88.gif

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[northy124]

Oh this is getting stupid, Pick the Wii and be done with this crap!!!!!!!

[ZOMG]

Ok sorry I haven't posted in a while, I was on vacation. Thanks for the help. I decided I want a ps3 and then all of a sudden my dad says that I'm not aloud to buy one!:mad: . It's not like I'm asking him to buy it for me.:eek: :confused: Anything you can say to convince him?

[ZOMG]

and stop with the caps and smilies thing

[Dagless]

Just get the Wii instead, it's more fun :)
well if people can throw images around then I'm throwing the petrol. Even if it does cost me an arm and a leg.

[Chone]

Tell him it's your money or try to have a calm conversation with him and find out why he won't allow you to have a PS3 and then, calmly, make your case against him on why you should have a PS3 and why the things he thinks will be a problem won't actually be one.

:)

[JackAxe]

Your dad has good taste. :D *I KID* Did someone say no caps and smilies?
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