I returned my iPhone 3G!!!!

[bruce916]

After almost two full weeks of the battery dying by 2p, echo on the bluetooth, hating the way I call my contacts, I am back to my crackberry! Don't get me wrong the iPhone is a wonderful phone for regular people who aren't on the phone a lot or send a lot of emails. But for power users: stick to the crackberry.

Things I liked about the iPhone:

Appstore
Urbanspoon
Google search
ICE
Dial Zero
The way email looked
The way attachments looked
AT&T customer service

Things I hated about the iPhone:
Battery
I turned off wifi set email to fetch
Left 3G on to download email attachments
Still dead by 2p every day. Ever been in a meeting and have to plug in your phone because there's less than 10% battery remaining. Annoying + Out the window goes the cool factor if you're attached to the nearest power port.

Echo - How can a product be released with this flaw?
I live in California, so I had no choice. Apple store told be to un-pair and
re-pair the phone.

Dialing contacts
Touch here - Touch there - Touch here. Flick finger. Go back because I skipped it. Blackberry: Just start typing a name from the home screen!

Voicemail: Speaker is horrible! I got pulled over for trying to listen to my voicemail. Had to show the CHP what I was doing and that the phone is hooked up through the bluetooth.

Apple customer service: Went to return the phone to the apple store and was told I would lose my AT&T account and phone number! I've had Pacbell/Cingular/AT&T & the phone number for 10+ years. AT&T was quick to squash that information.

Apple customer service: Was told I would not get a refund on the $45.00+ I spent at the app store the morning I purchased the iPhone.

That is the short list of my rants. I could go on, but I'm done typing.

[greenmymac]

Oh well see ya! hopefully you will feel like an a$* when apple releases 2.1 and it fixes all those issues!

[domness]

2 Weeks? Well done mate. You've wasted so much of your time getting your old phone back.

I think it would take anyone more then 2 weeks to get used to a new phone.

[TsuaSai]

Eh you just did what you had to do to make yourself happy. Not like you can't get another iphone later if you want. I am going to get one as soon as I can. But since I have not apple store I have to wait till ATT has them in stock so I am sure 2.1 will probably be out by the time I ever get one.

[Next Tuesday]

After almost two full weeks of the battery dying by 2p, echo on the bluetooth, hating the way I call my contacts, I am back to my crackberry! Don't get me wrong the iPhone is a wonderful phone for regular people who aren't on the phone a lot or send a lot of emails. But for power users: stick to the crackberry.

Things I liked about the iPhone:

Appstore
Urbanspoon
Google search
ICE
Dial Zero
The way email looked
The way attachments looked
AT&T customer service

Things I hated about the iPhone:
Battery
I turned off wifi set email to fetch
Left 3G on to download email attachments
Still dead by 2p every day. Ever been in a meeting and have to plug in your phone because there's less than 10% battery remaining. Annoying + Out the window goes the cool factor if you're attached to the nearest power port.

Echo - How can a product be released with this flaw?
I live in California, so I had no choice. Apple store told be to un-pair and
re-pair the phone.

Dialing contacts
Touch here - Touch there - Touch here. Flick finger. Go back because I skipped it. Blackberry: Just start typing a name from the home screen!

Voicemail: Speaker is horrible! I got pulled over for trying to listen to my voicemail. Had to show the CHP what I was doing and that the phone is hooked up through the bluetooth.

Apple customer service: Went to return the phone to the apple store and was told I would lose my AT&T account and phone number! I've had Pacbell/Cingular/AT&T & the phone number for 10+ years. AT&T was quick to squash that information.

Apple customer service: Was told I would not get a refund on the $45.00+ I spent at the app store the morning I purchased the iPhone.

That is the short list of my rants. I could go on, but I'm done typing.



Who cares!

[SFStateStudent]

Yep, 2.1 Firmware addresses most, if not all those issues (not sure about the CS issue). Oh well, you know you are welcome to come back to MR and listen to the rest of us GLOAT!!! :p

[gcmexico]

interesting...did you ever shut-off location services (I got this great tip from another thread)? that would have helped immensely with the battery issue...I had the same issue in the beginning, I shut the service off and the iphone battery issue was gone...the iphone is not perfect, but it's way better than the crackberry, c'mon!!!:D

And the way Apple treated you seems weird, if you returned it in 2 weeks, that means you had the 14 day clause, they should have exchanged it for a you, no questions asked

Sounds to me like you had a defective phone and just gave up on it

[greenmymac]

Yep, 2.1 Firmware addresses most, if not all those issues (not sure about the CS issue). Oh well, you know you are welcome to back to MR and listen to the rest of us GLOAT!!! :p

Well said....... He is probably better off just staying with his blackberry and staying out of Apple Stores! Maybe he should invest in the Zune Phone when it comes out ;)

[Rigsby]

Things I hated about the iPhone:
Battery
I turned off wifi set email to fetch
Left 3G on to download email attachments


Erm. So you switched off the most power efficient way of connecting and switched on the battery-eating 3G, you do know that's the wrong way around if you are concerned about battery life, don't you?

[huck500]

Why the snarky responses? All of his complaints are legitimate, especially the one about battery life. I don't use my phone too much, and the battery is close to dead at the end of the day. If I relied on my phone for my living, I'd probably go a different way as well.

Also, he gave pros and cons, he didn't just bash the thing.

As to who cares, others in his situation might like to know there's a battery-life issue, or other concerns.

Do the iPhone forums seem a little immature compared to the rest of MR, or is it just me?

[greenmymac]

Why the snarky responses? All of his complaints are legitimate, especially the one about battery life. I don't use my phone too much, and the battery is close to dead at the end of the day. If I relied on my phone for my living, I'd probably go a different way as well.

Also, he gave pros and cons, he didn't just bash the thing.

As to who cares, others in his situation might like to know there's a battery-life issue, or other concerns.

Do the iPhone forums seem a little immature compared to the rest of MR, or is it just me?

Just you... if he wanted to have a legitimate complaint he would not have named his thread "I RETURNED MY IPHONE 3G !!!!!" it would have been iPhone 3G concerns? or Returned my Phone.. you know something more.. whats the word mature!

[huck500]

Actually, I browsed through the other threads in the iPhone section, and it seems to be just this thread... it must have been the four exclamation points in the title... carry on.

;)

[ivtecDOu]

I use my phone all day and have no problems what so ever with battery

[josielinnea]

I use my phone all day and have no problems what so ever with battery

Me neither. I use my iphone very much throughout the day and the battery easily lasts 3-4 days without charging.

To topic-starter: Sometimes you get a defective device. It happens. Did you try to have it exchanged or did you just assume that everyone was feeling ok about those same issues and that it was how the iphone was made?

[ntrigue]

I am back to my crackberry! Don't get me wrong the iPhone is a wonderful phone for regular people who aren't on the phone a lot or send a lot of emails. But for power users: stick to the crackberry.


Sorry to hear about your tumultuous adaptation. People flooded the interweb when the iPhone had 2.5G data in a 3G-era. Apple obliged, now we're not hearing a positive word from the earlier naysayers; we get 'battery this, battery that.'

I agree with others that you should have given things more time. Perhaps you could have learned to use the 3G more wisely. The wonderful thing about the iPhone is radical changes can happen with a FREE firmware update. Us first-generation adopters learned to ride those waves. For me, they've paid-off immensely :)

[wonderbread57]

What information do you have the 2.1 firmware addresses his main concern of battery life?

p.s. I found the OP's post informative and prospective enterprise customers will too.

[ki2594]

thanks for letting us know??
i don't see why anyone would care that you returned yours?

[eplchamps0304]

with those issues I would have returned mine as well. I'm keeping mine till the xperia phone or android phones come out. Assuming they are any good, I already find the xperia spec to be unbeatable.

[ntrigue]

What information do you have the 2.1 firmware addresses his main concern of battery life?


We are on MacRumors.com. It has been suggested that a more intelligent 2.5/3G software solution could be in the works. Where it would auto-switch to the optimum data connection.

[fastbite]

Some people are too nasty, if he's not happy with the iPhone he's as allowed to complain about it as we to sing its praises.

[aosman]

I am sorry the iPhone did not suit your needs. I had a bunch of blackberry phones, but I am very happy with my iPhone. As for battery life, I am a power user (eg. surfing the web/emailing/ect) while I do everything, and it lasts me the entire day and then some.

Oh well; iPhone still has many flaws. I hope Apple fixes them in the upcoming OS updates.

[Van Wildonher]

What a bunch of pissy fangirls. If the iPhone doesn't suit the guy and he took it back who cares. He did the right thing in his mind.

[Me1000]

The OP has 1 post TOTAL!

troll much? :rolleyes:

[HawaiiMacAddict]

Don't get me wrong the iPhone is a wonderful phone for regular people who aren't on the phone a lot or send a lot of emails. But for power users: stick to the crackberry.

Things I hated about the iPhone:
Battery
I turned off wifi set email to fetch
Left 3G on to download email attachments
Still dead by 2p every day. Ever been in a meeting and have to plug in your phone because there's less than 10% battery remaining. Annoying + Out the window goes the cool factor if you're attached to the nearest power port.

Echo - How can a product be released with this flaw?
I live in California, so I had no choice. Apple store told be to un-pair and
re-pair the phone.

Dialing contacts
Touch here - Touch there - Touch here. Flick finger. Go back because I skipped it. Blackberry: Just start typing a name from the home screen!

Voicemail: Speaker is horrible! I got pulled over for trying to listen to my voicemail. Had to show the CHP what I was doing and that the phone is hooked up through the bluetooth.



Aloha bruce916,

People like you should never consider the iPhone, because it sounds as if you're simply attempting to make the iPhone a "cool" crackberry. For example, you rant about battery life, but turn off WiFi and use 3G to download email updates. Anyone that's been anywhere on the 'net since the iPhone's release will KNOW that 3G is still much more of a battery hog than WiFi - constantly using 3G will run your battery down far faster than using WiFi. You did set your email to fetch, but failed to note your fetch interval. Did you set it to every 15 minutes?

As for Bluetooth echo, I've never had that issue, either with my 1st gen iPhone or my iPhone 3G - I have the Apple Bluetooth headset myself. Maybe you should replace your Bluetooth headset before starting a rant against Apple.

You actually complained about Contacts dialing? Did you fail to notice the Contacts icon on your Home Screen? That app provides for contact search, but perhaps, in your haste to blast Apple for your own failure to actually learn how to use your iPhone 3G (which is extremely simply, BTW), you simply overlooked the Contacts app, on the Home Screen.

You also complained about the speaker volume in your new iPhone. While the speaker volume in this version is a lot better than in the 1st gen iPhone, ambient noise, especially when driving, would probably be enough to negate the increased volume. You also probably have better things to do while driving than listening to your voicemail though, right? That being said, I'm quite satisfied with my speaker volume. With respect to to Bluetooth, you have somewhat of a point here - Apple should provide for output through at least their own Bluetooth headset.

In conclusion, please don't come on these boards with such non-sensical arguments your Crackberry against the iPhone without first even attempting to determine the basic operating differences between the two phones, or even the basic operating specifications of the iPhone 3G. You've been trying to force a square peg (iPhone 3G) into a round hole (your unfounded expectations of how the iPhone 3G should operate), then getting frustrated when not everything you envision goes actually as you desire.

Guess what? Nothing works like that. The two phone are different, and the user has to learn those differences. Just like when I switched from the PC to the Mac, I had to adjust some of my workflows as the two platforms are different. You can NOT expect the iPhone to perform like your Crackberry and ranting about your failure to make it so serves only as an argument to justify your flawed decision, to return your iPhone 3G, to yourself.

Yes, the iPhone 3G has its flaws, but your have to learn how to deal with both its features and its flaws, just like any other device. No, it won't perform exactly like your Crackberry - some things are done better, while other things are either done differently or have yet to be implemented, such as copy/cut and paste. If you can't adopt your workflow around, or fail to properly research, your new cell phone, why go to a forum dedicated to it and expose your ignorance?

HawaiiMacAddict

[bigmouth]

Crackberry? That is sooooo Y2K.
Anyone that's been anywhere on the 'net since the iPhone's release will KNOW that 3G is still much more of a battery hog than WiFi - constantly using 3G will run your battery down far faster than using WiFi.
HMA: This continues to surprise me. The general rule of thumb I've always read is that the faster the data connection, the greater the drain on the battery. This comports with my experience on other 3G devices, which seem to drain more quickly when surfing, streaming, etc. over wifi.

That said, it's hard to argue with the iPhone-specific data and experience of others...

[wonderbread57]

We are on MacRumors.com. It has been suggested that a more intelligent 2.5/3G software solution could be in the works. Where it would auto-switch to the optimum data connection.

auto-switching to the optimum data connection? optimum how? the iPhone already switches to the "best/fastest" signal available. This does not address battery life at all. This is a rumor/speculation site, yes and guess what. No one has speculated with any specificity that 2.1 firmware will improve battery life. The consensus is that it will address a litany of stability issues and a few extra features. So let's not pretend 2.1 firmware is omg the solution to any and every complaint people have about the iPhone, it's not and I imagine the OP's negative experience with iPhone battery life is legitimate and won't be improved to the level that some require.

[BklynKid]

So long, enjoy whatever phone you get.







(cookie?)

[GNice]

I've had various Blackberry models over the past several years...currently have Blackberry Pearl. I plan to get rid of my Blackberry after head to head comparison the last week+. The iPhone definitely has some warts but I believe from my experience with the 1st generation iPhone most of the issues I care about will be resolved in the not too distant future. Even with it's warts, the iPhone is light years ahead of my Blackberry. It's not even close for me...and I'm a heavy duty business power user (Exchange support sealed the deal). Is the battery as good as my Pearl? No but it's close enough that the other benefits out weigh this drawback.

If it didn't work for you then you did the right thing, but my experience with the Blackberry vs. iPhone has lead me to the exact opposite conclusion.

[davidlw]

That is why I use a BB for voice and iPhone for data until APPLE/AT&T get the fixes done.

[ratbatblue]

Me neither. I use my iphone very much throughout the day and the battery easily lasts 3-4 days without charging.

To topic-starter: Sometimes you get a defective device. It happens. Did you try to have it exchanged or did you just assume that everyone was feeling ok about those same issues and that it was how the iphone was made?

I would very much like to hear from anyone else out there who has an iPhone 3G, uses it "very much throughout the day" and gets 3-4 days without charging. Anyone? After several charge cycles and learning to turn off EVERYTHING unless it's specifically needed, then turn it on and right back off, I'm proud that my phone now lasts a shade over 48 hours, with moderate use. That's pretty much exactly what I got with my 1st gen iPhone, doing things the same way. Perhaps the key to my doubts about the 3-4 days thing lies in the definitions of "very much throughout the day" and "moderate use"? Aside: I would certainly consider defective any phone that started fully charged in the morning and was dead by 2 PM, as a couple of posters have indicated, unless the user happened to be using it constantly during that time. Aside #2: I've noticed that the 3G seems to get less mileage with Bluetooth turned on than the older model did, strangely enough.

[bruce916]

Who cares!

You obviously do. You took the time to reply.

[bruce916]

The OP has 1 post TOTAL!

troll much? :rolleyes:

Yes, frequent troller. Never posted until today.

[bruce916]

2 Weeks? Well done mate. You've wasted so much of your time getting your old phone back.

I think it would take anyone more then 2 weeks to get used to a new phone.

I would have like more than 2 weeks to try the phone out. But since it was $300, I was limited to Apple's 14 day return policy.

[bruce916]

Me neither. I use my iphone very much throughout the day and the battery easily lasts 3-4 days without charging.

To topic-starter: Sometimes you get a defective device. It happens. Did you try to have it exchanged or did you just assume that everyone was feeling ok about those same issues and that it was how the iphone was made?

I though about it being a defective device. Though after multiple trips to multiple apple stores (Reno, Sacramento, Walnut Creek.) It was never suggested to me nor given the option of switching out to a replacement unit.

[newyorksole]

The man is enttled to his opinion, whether he likes it or hates it he has every right to post it. And he included pros and cons so he isn't just trying to bash it. Sucks that you can't enjoy it though, because it really is an awesome phone/internet browser/ipod etc.

[bruce916]

The man is enttled to his opinion, whether he likes it or hates it he has every right to post it. And he included pros and cons so he isn't just trying to bash it. Sucks that you can't enjoy it though, because it really is an awesome phone/internet browser/ipod etc.

I really like the way it worked. Fix a few key flaws and I'll probably be back to try it again. Either that or my next iPod wil be an iPod touch.

[psywzrd]

Dialing contacts
Touch here - Touch there - Touch here. Flick finger. Go back because I skipped it. Blackberry: Just start typing a name from the home screen!



Along with the keyboard, this is one of my biggest concerns as I get ready to pick up my first iphone tomorrow. I currently use a Treo 800w on Sprint and dialing a contact from the home screen couldn't be easier. I'm really hoping that the iphone works well enough for me as a phone and email/texting device but I definitely have my doubts. I guess that's what the return policy is for though and I intend to put my iphone to the test.

[bruce916]

Along with the keyboard, this is one of my biggest concerns as I get ready to pick up my first iphone tomorrow. I currently use a Treo 800w on Sprint and dialing a contact from the home screen couldn't be easier. I'm really hoping that the iphone works well enough for me as a phone and email/texting device but I definitely have my doubts. I guess that's what the return policy is for though and I intend to put my iphone to the test.

Dialing was my main complaint about the keyboard. The first week was tough typing, but after that it was very natural.

[psywzrd]

Dialing was my main complaint about the keyboard. The first week was tough typing, but after that it was very natural.

Is there an onscreen dial pad? If so, can you dial by name and have it automatically match that up with your contacts?

[Next Tuesday]

Waa waaaa. Nothing better to do with your time then tell everyone u wasted your money and went back to the crap phone u had in the first place. Bravo!

[newyorksole]

Waa waaaa. Nothing better to do with your time then tell everyone u wasted your money and went back to the crap phone u had in the first place. Bravo!

Yeah but see, what if someone would have posted a thread praising the iPhone? Do they have nothing better to do than tell everyone how great of a purchase the iPhone was?

You have to look at it both ways, because I'm sure it would be a different story if this thread said "I love my iPhone 3G!!".

Also again, he gave pros too, but obviously the cons outweighed the pros.

[Next Tuesday]

Yeah but see, what if someone would have posted a thread praising the iPhone? Do they have nothing better to do than tell everyone how great of a purchase the iPhone was?

You have to look at it both ways, because I'm sure it would be a different story if this thread said "I love my iPhone 3G!!".

Also again, he gave pros too, but obviously the cons outweighed the pros.

Smh.

[newyorksole]

Lol idk wth you're shakin' your head about

[Next Tuesday]

Lol idk wth you're shakin' your head about

I would expect that from a NY'er.

[herr_neumann]

Who cares!

I for one. This attitude is pretty lame.

I hate that can not make it through a full day on the battery of this phone. I would not consider myself a person that is always on the phone and I still have to recharge my phone by 4pm.

[bruce916]

I hate that can not make it through a full day on the battery of this phone. I would not consider myself a person that is always on the phone and I still have to recharge my phone by 4pm.

Glad to know I'm not the only one.

[newyorksole]

I would expect that from a NY'er.

I guess I would expect it too

[GNice]

I for one. This attitude is pretty lame.

I hate that can not make it through a full day on the battery of this phone. I would not consider myself a person that is always on the phone and I still have to recharge my phone by 4pm.

Sounds like you should exchange and hope to get better battery life or do what bruce916 did and return it.

[herr_neumann]

Sounds like you should exchange and hope to get better battery life or do what bruce916 did and return it.

This is my second one. I am hoping to see a fix with a firmware update. Otherwise I will start browsing for an aftermarket battery.....

[GNice]

This is my second one. I am hoping to see a fix with a firmware update. Otherwise I will start browsing for an aftermarket battery.....

Hope it works out for you...if you do go the aftermarket route and have success please report back...I'm always interested in hearing alternatives that work.

[Sijmen]

I find the complaints to be very legitimate. The "who cares" comment was lame.

Luckily I knew of (most of) these flaws up-front, so that wasn't too much of a setback for me. It would be great if some of these would get fixed with a firmware update.

[gtg941f]

Waa waaaa. Nothing better to do with your time then tell everyone u wasted your money and went back to the crap phone u had in the first place. Bravo!

Seriously? grow up people, he went with another phone...god forbid. Life will go on and there's no need to sit here and defend your precious little iphone. I have a 3G and can understand every one of his complaints and feel they are legitimate.

[DiamondMac]

Waa waaaa. Nothing better to do with your time then tell everyone u wasted your money and went back to the crap phone u had in the first place. Bravo!

Don't really see why people post things like this. How old are some people? 13? 14? If not, please grow up.

I love my iPhone and everyone I know loves the 3G but people are allowed to not like it and if they don't, I am very interested to know why

[bluelondon]

Don't really see why people post things like this. How old are some people? 13? 14? If not, please grow up.

I love my iPhone and everyone I know loves the 3G but people are allowed to not like it and if they don't, I am very interested to know why

i agree. some posters are extremely childish on these boards. time to grow up a little kids.

[lavrishevo]

This is my second one. I am hoping to see a fix with a firmware update. Otherwise I will start browsing for an aftermarket battery.....

Check out richardsolo.com and it is not an aftermarket battery but a battery pack that will plug in and double your use time during the day. I guess someone could get two of them and never have an issue. Pretty cool little device.

[mavis]

Me neither. I use my iphone very much throughout the day and the battery easily lasts 3-4 days without charging. Must be nice. I'm lucky if I get through the day.

[a1016neo]

WARNING: THIS BRUCE GUY IS A TROLL! Only 1 post at start! :eek:

[Ivan P]

WARNING: THIS BRUCE GUY IS A TROLL! Only 1 post at start! :eek:

A 'troll' is someone that signs up to harass, bully and flame people. He has legitimate concerns.

Methinks the people being immature about this are the ones too obsessed with Apple to respect that there are people that find problems with their products.

[Ntombi]

Interesting about the echo. I switched from a Treo to an iPhone, and the same Bluetooth headset (Plantrontrics 510) sounds so much better. I didn't have any complaints before, but now, I'm thrilled with the sound, and so are the people I talk to.

Yes, dialing is a little different, but I got used to it within a day or so, and as for the battery issue, it's not horrible for me, but it is much shorter than with the Treo. Than again, my Treo didn't have 3G. :) I prefer the clarity, and use a car charger when I'm out and about.

Good luck to you.

[CKtoph]

I think a big part of the OP's complaints simply have to do with the fact that he was just so used to using a Blackberry, that it became very annoying, very quickly on trying to get used to the new iPhone. Admittedly, when I first got an iPhone a while back, it took some time to get used to the system with no tactile feedback, etc, but eventually it became like second nature. And after trying out Blackberrys, I ended up hating those damn QWERTY keypads.

In regards to battery life, I use my phone quite often throughout the course of the day, and my phone lasts a solid 21-24 hours before I'm running on those red bar fumes. Here's my general day-to-day usage:
- 15 minute fetch on 2 email accounts.
- 3G is always active.
- Significant usage of the 3G network when browsing the internet and such on the bus/train/plane.
- Watch an episode of a TV show while eating quick lunches.
- Use Pandora on 3G and Wifi quite considerably throughout the day.
- And there's probably more...but you get my point :cool:

And finally, in reference to your Apple Store experiences, I'm honestly not surprised if you've encountered a few issues on this regard. After a bit of a fiasco returning the first 3G iPhone I bought, I realized how much I cherish my neighborhood Apple Store. There are 3 relatively close to where I am, and I know that I am never taking any of my Apple problems to at least 1 of them. The one closest to me is luckily the most reliable with the best customer service I could ask for. I guess you just have to get a little lucky in terms of the mentality and atmosphere of the store you go to...

[Pandora01]

Along with the keyboard, this [dialing contacts] is one of my biggest concerns as I get ready to pick up my first iphone tomorrow. I currently use a Treo 800w on Sprint and dialing a contact from the home screen couldn't be easier. I'm really hoping that the iphone works well enough for me as a phone and email/texting device but I definitely have my doubts. I guess that's what the return policy is for though and I intend to put my iphone to the test.

Get familiar with this: FAVORITES.

While on the home screen, double-click the home button. Your list of FAVORITES comes up. Touch a name. Phone automatically dials. If that's too difficult for you, you've got bigger problems. ;)

[Bindi]

I have the 3G in white. The phone does every thing it said it would do. I've not had any of the problems that the original OP of this thread experienced....but I just don't care for the phone. I think it is super cool and all that...it just isn't what I need (for me).

I decided to return it, since the 30 day return policy is still good...except, I just found out, on the iPhone, it's only 2 weeks (according to the AT&T store where I purchased the phone). Guess I am just going to have to learn to like it, and maybe that will happen...it is a cool phone, I just will never use close to even 1/2 of what it is capable of doing.

[Next Tuesday]

I did it for this exact reason. Everyone just likes to throw their 2 cents in. Right on cue. Macrumors<3

[psywzrd]

Get familiar with this: FAVORITES.

While on the home screen, double-click the home button. Your list of FAVORITES comes up. Touch a name. Phone automatically dials. If that's too difficult for you, you've got bigger problems. ;)

Ah - that sounds like it will work out nicely for me. Thank you! Now about that keyboard...

Seriously though, I'm picking up my 3G today and if I can manage to get used to the keyboard I'll be sold.

[Next Tuesday]

Ah - that sounds like it will work out nicely for me. Thank you! Now about that keyboard...

Seriously though, I'm picking up my 3G today and if I can manage to get used to the keyboard I'll be sold.

Keyboard seems weird and hard to use at first. But give it a week and u will be typing faster on it than any tactile keyboard.

[ditzy]

I love my iPhone and would not swap it, but the battery life is the only think I truly dislike about this phone. It has not run out on me yet, but I am constantly paranoid that it will and usually half way through the day I am turning off 3G. (I'll try turning of location services in the future to see if that helps.) My old phone I used to be able to get a good three days out of it, this one is dying by the time I get home. To me though this is the only thing that I dislike about the iPhone.

[psywzrd]

Keyboard seems weird and hard to use at first. But give it a week and u will be typing faster on it than any tactile keyboard.

I hope you're right about that. I would like to see a version of TouchPal that's compatible with the iphone though. That would give me another option just in case I can't get used to the iphone's keyboard. I guess I'll find out soon enough. Can't wait to pick mine up this afternoon.

[ayzee]

well your main reason for returning your iPhone was the battery life, to which I totally understand. The battery life is terrible IMO, and is the most dissapointing thing for me as an upgrader from the original iPhone. Feel like I'm constantly hooked the wall whenever I'm indoors,but I never had this charge obssesion with the original iPhone

And no number of software updates from apple will fix this problem :(

[mixmacface]

I have the 3G in white. The phone does every thing it said it would do. I've not had any of the problems that the original OP of this thread experienced....but I just don't care for the phone. I think it is super cool and all that...it just isn't what I need (for me).

I decided to return it, since the 30 day return policy is still good...except, I just found out, on the iPhone, it's only 2 weeks (according to the AT&T store where I purchased the phone). Guess I am just going to have to learn to like it, and maybe that will happen...it is a cool phone, I just will never use close to even 1/2 of what it is capable of doing.

wait, why would you buy an iphone and not use the phone? how exactly do you justify that? honestly, i don't know. i'm not being smart, i just don't understand how you would buy a phone and not use the phone part.

but in regards to the OP, you tried the iphone, it wasn't for you, and you decided to share. honestly, you have every right to, and those are complain that you're complaining, need to drop it.

like others have said, he listed pros and cons. it's not like he came on here and bashed the iphone saying it was a horrible, horrible device and apple should be ashamed of themselves. grow up people, he's entitled to his opinion and he's entitled to share it.

[sushi]

Check out richardsolo.com and it is not an aftermarket battery but a battery pack that will plug in and double your use time during the day. I guess someone could get two of them and never have an issue. Pretty cool little device.
Thanks for the web site.

Looks like the battery will work with the iPhone and iPods (Touch, Nano and Classic). Price is reasonable. :cool:

[razorianfly]

I exchanged mine last Friday due to a battery which would last 3 hours, at max, with Wifi/3G/Location Services and Push e-mail turned; Off.

New model has a minute bubble in the plastic on the back, nothing I'm worried or concerned with.

Battery life has improved 6-fold.

I'm getting one full day of usage, finally.

R-Fly

[joegomolski]

Thanks for the web site.

Looks like the battery will work with the iPhone and iPods (Touch, Nano and Classic). Price is reasonable. :cool:

You can ditto for me too. Thanks so much for the tip.

[nizmoz]

Why the snarky responses? All of his complaints are legitimate, especially the one about battery life. I don't use my phone too much, and the battery is close to dead at the end of the day. If I relied on my phone for my living, I'd probably go a different way as well.

Also, he gave pros and cons, he didn't just bash the thing.

As to who cares, others in his situation might like to know there's a battery-life issue, or other concerns.

Do the iPhone forums seem a little immature compared to the rest of MR, or is it just me?

No, he is just a crackberry basher like all of them who own those phones. Seen it on other forums too. We have so far in our company, and the batteries are doing just fine. Mine is still a full charge and it has been 6 hours since it was unplugged. Amazing...great battery life!

[TB07-NJ]

EDIT: DUh ... never mind ... i't's a "setting." I love it!


Mine doesn't do that. Nothing happens when I double click the home button on the home screen. That would be a nice feature.

Get familiar with this: FAVORITES.

While on the home screen, double-click the home button. Your list of FAVORITES comes up. Touch a name. Phone automatically dials. If that's too difficult for you, you've got bigger problems. ;)

[ntrigue]

Check out richardsolo.com and it is not an aftermarket battery but a battery pack that will plug in and double your use time during the day. I guess someone could get two of them and never have an issue. Pretty cool little device.

We don't have the luxury of a replaceable iPhone battery. I'm no quitter though so...

[ntrigue]

I exchanged mine last Friday due to a battery which would last 3 hours, at max, with Wifi/3G/Location Services and Push e-mail turned; Off.

Makes me feel good about mine. That's OBVIOUSLY defective.

New model has a minute bubble in the plastic on the back, nothing I'm worried or concerned with.

iStyles (http://www.istyles.com/mobile-phones-iphone-c-292_449.html?osCsid=34f58024dbb6b537e4147c3ab3179613) will solve that blemish.

[Bindi]

wait, why would you buy an iphone and not use the phone? how exactly do you justify that? honestly, i don't know. i'm not being smart, i just don't understand how you would buy a phone and not use the phone part.

but in regards to the OP, you tried the iphone, it wasn't for you, and you decided to share. honestly, you have every right to, and those are complain that you're complaining, need to drop it.

like others have said, he listed pros and cons. it's not like he came on here and bashed the iphone saying it was a horrible, horrible device and apple should be ashamed of themselves. grow up people, he's entitled to his opinion and he's entitled to share it.

I will use the phone, but that is my problem, that is about all I will use, the phone part, and I like having pix on my phone. I will rarely use the internet, etc. It's my fault, I should not have gotten so caught up in all the excitement...I had a motorola flip phone for the last 3 years and it's just really all I needed.

I think the iPhone is very cool and lived up to it's expectations in my book, I just am not utilizing it, and I should have known better.

This will probably sound really nuts, to you guys, but I hate how when I am using my phone (talking on it) when I am finished it has my make up all over the face of it, and that drives me nuts. I spend more time trying to keep the face of the phone wiped off, than I do using the phone...lol Told you...guys wouldn't understand that aspect of the phone!:o

[btcutter]

Why the snarky responses? All of his complaints are legitimate, especially the one about battery life. I don't use my phone too much, and the battery is close to dead at the end of the day. If I relied on my phone for my living, I'd probably go a different way as well.

Also, he gave pros and cons, he didn't just bash the thing.

As to who cares, others in his situation might like to know there's a battery-life issue, or other concerns.

Do the iPhone forums seem a little immature compared to the rest of MR, or is it just me?

Why do people expect the battery to last days when they use the phone/surf internet/ipod/movies ???

Your Macbook won't last 4-6 hrs if you use it constantly and that's over Wifi and not the power hungry 3G network.

Turn off your 3G, Wifi and GPS when you don't need them!!!!!!!!

Want to surf??? turn on your wifi or 3G then...........

Lastly, get a car charger!

[redgaz26]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5A347 Safari/525.20)

I'm getting 4 hours usage on average before it hits the red. Not bad but no great. 3g off if I'm not using it.
But the one thing that really bugs me is I sometimes get a very slow keyboard both on SMS and email.
Sometimes the whole phone just seems to run so slow. I really hope this gets fixed with the update.

[OZMP]

i have numerous problems with mine, but i spoke to applecare, and it sound like i am just going to either have to attempt to return and deal with vodafone(ending the contract could be a pain), or wait for firmware... i think i will wait for firmware.

just general un-responsiveness- contacts mainly.

[timimbo85]

What a bunch of pissy fangirls. If the iPhone doesn't suit the guy and he took it back who cares. He did the right thing in his mind.

Agreed. I think its funny if someone disagrees with apple people go ballistic. He has the right to bitch about it if he doesn't like it.

[GNice]

I can't wait for the performance and stability fixes...the phone is way cool, but it will only be great when they take care of the crashes and performance issues (lag when typing, searching contacts, etc.)

I'll be patient for a while...just hoping we don't have to wait too long. Apple was decent (time wise) with the releases for 1.x so I'm hoping we see stuff soon for 2.x.

[mcdj]

What a bunch of pissy fangirls. If the iPhone doesn't suit the guy and he took it back who cares. He did the right thing in his mind.
The operative words being who cares. I want my 375kb back!

[JoshHawn]

hmm... well, i think you should have done this (always works for me) : TURN DOWN THE PHONE'S BRIGHTNESS LEVEL!! most of the battery is drained by that super bright backlight it has... i have mine around 20% or just above the 't' in the word 'brightness' on the scale you use to set it in the 'settings' app. And my iPhone has never run out of battery life... EVER

also.... why wouldn't this guy just wait it out for the 2.1 release that might fix his issues?? I mean, doesn't he still have his crackberry phone? why the hell couldn't he just hold on to the iPhone, and put the SIM in the old phone and use it when (if, assuming he adjusts the brightness) the iPhone battery dies??

[Pandora01]

iStyles (http://www.istyles.com/mobile-phones-iphone-c-292_449.html?osCsid=34f58024dbb6b537e4147c3ab3179613) will solve that blemish.

Nice designs! Is still possible to use a screen protector with it, though?

[Shurran]

Just reading through the endless comments saying 'you just needed to get to learn to use the device' is enough to put me off these boards.

The thing with Apple design is that its really intuitive. Thats why I like it for creating and recording music, the system doesn't get in the way! I agree with many of the points of the original poster, the iPhone does have some serious flaws, and I am currently struggling to get a whole days battery life from it (admittedly, I have only just got it so am going crazy playing with it all the time). We shouldn't have to turn off features to get around this, I got the phone for push email and 3G - why the hell would I turn them off!

I can afford (time, not money) to stick with the phone a bit longer, and I really want to, for the kinks to come out - but given that I believe there are currently some serious flaws with it, I can understand that others may not.

Although I'm sure you don't care what I think, I urge those who think that the OP was just hating Apple re-read the post and see that he is stating his points of view - and this is a forum, we are meant to listen and constructively comment, not just shout down.

My constructive comment: For numbers you dial alot, use the favorite numbers section, or click contacts and tap them into the search, both work well. As to the battery issue, I'm going into the store tomorrow or the next day if it doesn't get better as I have a suspicion mine is a bit faulty.

[Deguello]

also.... why wouldn't this guy just wait it out for the 2.1 release that might fix his issues?? I mean, doesn't he still have his crackberry phone? why the hell couldn't he just hold on to the iPhone, and put the SIM in the old phone and use it when (if, assuming he adjusts the brightness) the iPhone battery dies??

"I would have like more than 2 weeks to try the phone out. But since it was $300, I was limited to Apple's 14 day return policy."

[And5555]

Here's my complaint about your complaint:

Why have you not ever brought up these issues with the forums? We could have offered suggestions/advice. Tech support and "Geniuses" are far less valuable than the community forum in which you have a huge user base all struggling together with the same issues (for which many have solutions).

It's like getting a divorce without ever talking about any of your issues. Enjoy your crackberry whore.

[btcutter]

I will use the phone, but that is my problem, that is about all I will use, the phone part, and I like having pix on my phone. I will rarely use the internet, etc. It's my fault, I should not have gotten so caught up in all the excitement...I had a motorola flip phone for the last 3 years and it's just really all I needed.

I think the iPhone is very cool and lived up to it's expectations in my book, I just am not utilizing it, and I should have known better.

This will probably sound really nuts, to you guys, but I hate how when I am using my phone (talking on it) when I am finished it has my make up all over the face of it, and that drives me nuts. I spend more time trying to keep the face of the phone wiped off, than I do using the phone...lol Told you...guys wouldn't understand that aspect of the phone!:o

Anti Glare film will take care of your problem!

[marksman]

The reality is if you are going to fully utilize the 3g iPhone and all that it offers you will need to exhibit some power management.

I don't mean turning things off, as that defeats the point of the phone. I don't want to turn off features on my phone. I am talking about charging the phone when you are in a position to do so.

If I am in the car, that is a time it can be charging even if I am using it. Same goes for work. If I am at my desk, I have the USB cable there and plug it in. I can still do everything I want with the phone, but this way when I do go out and about I am probably leaving with almost a fully charged phone, and again if I am driving somewhere I can charge up in the car.

Just doing this, I have almost zero chance of running my battery down during the day.

I would say in the case of the OP if you are running totally out by 2p every day you must be doing something very persistant for many hours at a time. Perhaps running an app like Pandora, or iPod. if you make 30 minutes of phone calls, and check mail 4 or 5 times and spent another 30 minutes browsing, there is no way you should run out of power in 8 hours like that. I don't care if push, pull, tug and shove are all turned on.

I realize we have all become used to massive battery lives in the past few years where if we plugged our phone in once a week it was enough to go.. Unfortunately with the current iPhone there are some trade-offs for what it offers. So if you want to keep yourself fully charged up, you just need to make a few minor adjustments.

I suggest that for 99% of the people, if they just put their phone on a charge at work and in their car that they would never run their battery down.

[GNice]

The reality is if you are going to fully utilize the 3g iPhone and all that it offers you will need to exhibit some power management.

I don't mean turning things off, as that defeats the point of the phone. I don't want to turn off features on my phone. I am talking about charging the phone when you are in a position to do so.

If I am in the car, that is a time it can be charging even if I am using it. Same goes for work. If I am at my desk, I have the USB cable there and plug it in. I can still do everything I want with the phone, but this way when I do go out and about I am probably leaving with almost a fully charged phone, and again if I am driving somewhere I can charge up in the car.

Just doing this, I have almost zero chance of running my battery down during the day.

I would say in the case of the OP if you are running totally out by 2p every day you must be doing something very persistant for many hours at a time. Perhaps running an app like Pandora, or iPod. if you make 30 minutes of phone calls, and check mail 4 or 5 times and spent another 30 minutes browsing, there is no way you should run out of power in 8 hours like that. I don't care if push, pull, tug and shove are all turned on.

I realize we have all become used to massive battery lives in the past few years where if we plugged our phone in once a week it was enough to go.. Unfortunately with the current iPhone there are some trade-offs for what it offers. So if you want to keep yourself fully charged up, you just need to make a few minor adjustments.

I suggest that for 99% of the people, if they just put their phone on a charge at work and in their car that they would never run their battery down.

Yup...That's EXACTLY what I'm doing. Maybe not ideal for some, but to me it's not that big a deal. It takes just a few seconds when I hop in the car or when I get to my Mac (at home) or my PC (at work). I don't need to charge it in all locations, but if I'm around 50% or less I just pop it in. Simple enough for me.

Now the bugs/crashes/performance/stability...that's what I'd really like to see addressed.

[Macsterling]

One thing I still don't understand is why does everyone complain about their battery life so much??? Did you know that they actually make devices these days called chargers that charges your battery. Some of you should try it. The ones that complain about just getting a days worth of use, do you use the phone while you sleep???? Just to make things easy for me and not worry about battery life all the time, I have a dock at my office, charger in the car, and a dock at home. I am a pretty heavy user and I generally can get about a day and half with my iphone. When it starts getting below the half way mark then I plug it in where ever I am at. I just don't understand why people hate to use chargers and want there phone to last for days and days and days. It is a pocket computer guys. Use a charger.... It works

[sushi]

The reality is if you are going to fully utilize the 3g iPhone and all that it offers you will need to exhibit some power management.
<snip>
Well said.

Basically...

Keep the iPhone in a charging situation as much as possible whether in the car or at your desk.

Watch your settings on the iPhone.

Carry the RichardSolo battery mentioned above.

Simple solution.

[deannnnn]

I've never seen a thread like this before.

[mrtune]

Battery life is a major concern for me too. Sometimes I feel as if Apple put a smaller battery in the iPhone 3G versus the original.

I have 3G and location services off, push on for mobileme, and a few other accounts set at 30min fetch.

My old iPhone was set at 15min fetch intervals (obviously no push available) for all accounts and would last easily twice as long as my current iPhone.

There is definitely a problem here. My phone will still last all day, but I'm getting close to the 20% warning, or it has already popped up before the phone gets on the charger when I go to bed. The first phone would still be above half and would last most of the next day if I forgot to charge it.

If I am going to be away from a charging point for an extended amount of time, I won't play any games or surf the net just to assure myself that I won't run out of battery.

The guy who's says it last 3-4 days? I call bs, unless that thing is in your pocket and never used.

[Pandora01]

I've never seen a thread like this before.

Sadly, I have. :rolleyes:

[Burton8219]

Here's my complaint about your complaint:

Why have you not ever brought up these issues with the forums? We could have offered suggestions/advice. Tech support and "Geniuses" are far less valuable than the community forum in which you have a huge user base all struggling together with the same issues (for which many have solutions).

It's like getting a divorce without ever talking about any of your issues. Enjoy your crackberry whore.
****... why are you people jumping on the hate wagon?? This poor guy just came on here giving his experience with his phone and you guys jump down his throat like he killed your grandmother. In case some of you forgot how to read he gave both POSITIVE and NEGATIVE points for the phone, and his negative points were very legitimate and issues that lots of people have with their phones. As for the Blackberry part, BIG DEAL he owned a Blackberry before his iPhone... that must be blasphemy. Also there were people telling him to leave... that is ridiculous for two reasons. The first and obvious one is that he has a right to come on here and say whatever he wants, even if he says that he just recently burned his MacBook, he still has the right to say that. The second is that just because he no longer owns an iPhone doesn't mean he doesn't own any other Apple products. Just in case you guys forgot this site is called MACrumors not IPHONErumors. Give the guy a break... he obviously just doesn't want an iPhone right now. Some people here need some real growing up to do. Can we please squash the Blackberry/iPhone beef on this site?? The Windows/Mac beef we can keep though lol

[SFStateStudent]

"Can't we all just get along?" - "Rodney King in the midst of the Los Angeles Riots in the 90's)

[Sijmen]

Wow, this is really saddening. And people say I am a fanboy. Now I can give them this thread.

[And5555]

****... why are you people jumping on the hate wagon?? This poor guy just came on here giving his experience with his phone and you guys jump down his throat like he killed your grandmother. In case some of you forgot how to read he gave both POSITIVE and NEGATIVE points for the phone, and his negative points were very legitimate and issues that lots of people have with their phones. As for the Blackberry part, BIG DEAL he owned a Blackberry before his iPhone... that must be blasphemy. Also there were people telling him to leave... that is ridiculous for two reasons. The first and obvious one is that he has a right to come on here and say whatever he wants, even if he says that he just recently burned his MacBook, he still has the right to say that. The second is that just because he no longer owns an iPhone doesn't mean he doesn't own any other Apple products. Just in case you guys forgot this site is called MACrumors not IPHONErumors. Give the guy a break... he obviously just doesn't want an iPhone right now. Some people here need some real growing up to do. Can we please squash the Blackberry/iPhone beef on this site?? The Windows/Mac beef we can keep though lol

Again, my complaint is not that he is bashing the iPhone. Power to him! Down with the iPhone - it sucks! Yippee! whatever...

My complaint is that he never asked for help. He did not properly give the phone a chance (ie. ask for help when you have problems). If he had posted a couple of these questions before returning the phone, I would have welcomed the concerns -- we probably could have helped him with a lot of the issues, and he might be a satisfied iPhone owner today.

Besides not giving the iPhone a chance, he also did not give macrumors community a chance to aid him in his struggles. He just assumed that nobody would be able to help him or was too proud to ask.

If after such interrogation he posted this thread, I would be like, "Sorry it didn't work out. At least you tried."

BTW, point of reference: http://forums.macrumors.com/member.php?u=210279

[Burton8219]

To be honest... he shouldn't need to come here to voice his problems because there shouldn't be any problems with the phone to begin with. Now before everyone flips out I realize that every company has problems with whatever they make from time to time, but these are problems that should have been found during the testing periods. Also, as much I love SJ and what he's done for Apple he kinda put his balls in a vice by making a concrete release date when he did. If he had said "We will be releasing around mid July" he could have had more time to test and say that they found bugs and do not want to release a buggy product to the consumer and we all would have understood, but he HAD to have the phone out by the 11th. The battery life, while most people don't know how to manage it, needs to be better either way. You can't get 18-20 hours of life out of any phone, it's just unacceptable. I also agree with him that the earpiece volume is wayyyyyy too low. They need to increase that as well; I have my phone nearly crushing my ear trying to hear if I'm in a place that has even a little background noise. The laggy touch response is also an issue for me as well. I know that most of these are software fixes and will be fixed soon, but my point is that they shouldn't have to release an OS update so quickly in the first place. These problems shouldn't exist in such a product.

Flame on if you want, but in reality you know I'm right...