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groov'
May 21, 2002, 08:37 AM
Maccentral has the news of new LCD screens from Samsung, apple's screen provider.

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0205/21.samsung.php



Hemingray
May 21, 2002, 09:25 AM
Excellent news. I've been waiting for them to come out with the 19" LCD! I hope we see these in July/January. That will inch me closer to upgrading my comp. :)

Macmaniac
May 21, 2002, 11:55 AM
This sound really cool. I think it is time to put the 15in to rest. A 17in iMac would be so cool! They would need to give it more inards though.

Bradcoe
May 21, 2002, 12:42 PM
I hope you don't imply that Apple does away with its 15" monitors for iMac and PowerMac machines. The cost of dropping the 15" from the Mac line would be tremendous. Prices would increase and even if it was only by $100 or so, people would be turned off and away. Keep 15" for the sheer cheapness of them.

rainman::|:|
May 21, 2002, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Bradcoe
I hope you don't imply that Apple does away with its 15" monitors for iMac and PowerMac machines. The cost of dropping the 15" from the Mac line would be tremendous. Prices would increase and even if it was only by $100 or so, people would be turned off and away. Keep 15" for the sheer cheapness of them.

I have to agree... My next Tower will probably have 2 15" screens, sure they're a bit small, but the price is just right. I don't see a problem with Apple putting a 19" screen in their lineup, but i think it'll spread 'em a bit thin, and then i can see the 15" being dropped.

that would be sad :(

pnw

Mr. Anderson
May 21, 2002, 01:26 PM
Oh joy, I'd been planning on getting 3 17" LCDs with my next Apple Desktop in 2003, but the 19" will be so much nicer. I'm wondering what the costs will run though? If they can reduce the price of the 17" and put the 19" around 1k that would be perfect. Although I don't see Apple doing that, more like 1,300 to 1,500.

Any way, its good news.

blackpeter
May 21, 2002, 02:34 PM
Anyone interested in a 19" wide-screen format? Something more the shape of the 22" Cinema-wide or the Ti LCD.

edesignuk
May 21, 2002, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by tfaz1
Anyone interested in a 19" wide-screen format? Something more the shape of the 22" Cinema-wide or the Ti LCD.
Yes-in-de-de! I would be :D

teabgs
May 21, 2002, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by tfaz1
Anyone interested in a 19" wide-screen format? Something more the shape of the 22" Cinema-wide or the Ti LCD.

you bet. If you got the stuff I got the money...:cool:

Hemingray
May 21, 2002, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by teabgs


you bet. If you got the stuff I got the money...:cool:

They don't got the stuff yet and I don't got the money... but since when has that ever stopped me. :D

teabgs
May 21, 2002, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Hemingray


They don't got the stuff yet and I don't got the money... but since when has that ever stopped me. :D

yeah. I lied about having the money. I owe so much money from student loans and that numberis about to go up as I prepare to enter the 3rd year of expensive University life. :(

However I've been saving up for 2 years now for a new machine and have enough so that I can buy in July.

Though I'll spend more then I have, I plan on making it back with the machine by doing videography, so I can justify the expense. Plus, I want it :D

Mr. Anderson
May 21, 2002, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by tfaz1
Anyone interested in a 19" wide-screen format? Something more the shape of the 22" Cinema-wide or the Ti LCD.

Now this brings up an interesting question. I had mentioned this many weeks ago in another post, that if the 19" came out that it might be an extra wide 17", which wouldn't be bad. But I think I'd prefer a 19" at the 17" aspect ratio because it would be taller and have more pixels in general.

I'd be happy with either one though, and the wide screen 19" should be cheaper, that would be very cool. I'll have to figure out how to start working on the wife for the extra expense, probably won't get a new machine until 03, so I have just enough time to justify it.

King Cobra
May 21, 2002, 05:19 PM
Apple better not drop the 15 inch display. What happens if LCD prices do not go down for a long while? That means that the low end monitor will be the 17 inch display, at $1000. Or, better yet, let's say someone has very little workspace and is basically sitting right in front of a monitor.

I still think that Apple needs to keep the 15 inch display. Maybe if Apple used a 15 inch, 29 inch and a 23 inch there would be some colored variety: A cheap and compact display, A mid-range display, and a display that needs its own TV show.

Rower_CPU
May 21, 2002, 05:19 PM
From the article:
the 17-inch line would be offered "close to price parity with most other manufacturers' current 15-inch TFT-LCDs."

Now it's about damn time!

King Cobra
May 21, 2002, 05:23 PM
Replying to wide screen monitors:

Before I do that, I meant to say that there would be three monitors if my suggestion follows through, 15, 17 , and 19. And, yes, I can count.

I think that wide screens are all right, as long as the screens are in a 16x10 ratio. If the ratio was 16x9 Apple would have to deal with some tough resolution screens and distortion may result. But I guess wide screens would be acceptable.

And I would expect the 19 inch display to have a higher resolution than the current 17 inch model. 1600x1200 is pushing it, however. That may bring the price up, if Apple can fit the pixels in there.

This kind of is a double post, but, then again, it isn't... :)

Jookbox
May 21, 2002, 08:25 PM
i'm guessing the screens will be 1200-1400. sub 1000 would be nice, but c'mon, this is apple.

sparkleytone
May 21, 2002, 08:28 PM
i dont see 1600x1200 coming in the 19". Probably just 1280 just like the 17, maybe a wierd one in between. Remember that the max on the 22" is only 1600x1024.

King Cobra
May 21, 2002, 08:34 PM
sparkleytone, let's say Apple gets rid of the 22 inch display and uses the 23 inch display. That display has a much higher resolution than our old friend, the 22 inch.

What I am saying that if Apple can come out with a high resolution display for the 19 inch, I would be impressed. That is why I said 1600x1200 was pushing it.

Here is a rare speculation about the 19 inch monitor: Did you guys notice that on the 23 inch HD Display the Apple logo was a reflective silver, just like on the Xserve? I wonder if Apple will use that same type of theme with the 19 inch, since the current 15, 17 and 22 inch models use a graphite logo.

Rower_CPU
May 21, 2002, 08:40 PM
I think this article also points out the possibility of updated 17" monitors, since the current ones are well over a year old and use outdated technology.

A cheaper 17" with higher contrast ratio, faster response time and better brightness that's cheaper too will be needed for Apple to stay competitive with other display companies.

robbyd
May 21, 2002, 09:39 PM
apple should make a wall mount for the monitors so you could put it in your bedroom and also use it as a tv..........

SPG
May 21, 2002, 10:26 PM
The widescreen format of the 22" and 23" is the future...HD will eventually become the standard and I'm glad that Apple is offering those two monitors in that aspect ratio and hope that their future monitors are widescreen as well. Well, maybe not the 15", but a 19" widescreen would fall into a very desirable gap between the hard to justify 22" and the hard to be impressed by 17".

AmbitiousLemon
May 21, 2002, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by King Cobra
Did you guys notice that on the 23 inch HD Display the Apple logo was a reflective silver

have you seen the imac's apple logo?

King Cobra
May 21, 2002, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon


have you seen the imac's apple logo?

Yeah, I know. It's silver.

That probably means that when Apple updates their monitors there would be a reflective Apple logo on it. I am using the original 15 inch LCD designed for the first G4 Powermacs and the Apple logo is graphite.

Weaky
May 22, 2002, 12:04 AM
I tought it was LG no? For the iMac at least
http://www4.tomshardware.com/display/02q1/020322/lcd-01.html
:confused:

nero007
May 22, 2002, 01:08 AM
No way Apple will drop the 15". If they bring in the 19" the 22" is gone.

madamimadam
May 22, 2002, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by nero007
No way Apple will drop the 15". If they bring in the 19" the 22" is gone.

They would not drop the 22"... in fact, I don't see why they would have to drop any one of the range. Since when is it a crime to have a 15, 17, 19 and 22 (previous CRTs were more likely 21). The 23 does not really fit in the range, it is a specialist product and will not take over the 22s place until it is FAR cheaper.

D*I*S_Frontman
May 23, 2002, 04:11 PM
I think if they have any sense they'll go with a 19" display that is true industry standard 16:9. It would be about as short as a 15" display but WAY wider (take a regular 14.1 PB/iBk screen, add an inch to the top and 2.5 inches on either side and that's what 19" 16:9 would look like) and the two together would be perfect for Final Cut Pro editing--timelines and and program on the 4:3 display, then composite playback on 16:9 19" screen. If they did this they could keep the price reasonable, as a 19" 16:9 screen would be about 9.5" x 16.5"--not very big, but there is an emerging market for 16:9 monitors that will only increase over time. Heck, it wouldn't be shabby for watching DVDs, either, for us audio production guys...

As far as the 22" goes, a 19" would essentially replace it. People needing HD monitoring would go for the 23" with the higher resolution, and those that don't need HD referencing would invariably opt for a slightly smaller yet spot-on 16:9 monitor instead of the taller 16:10 22" display Apple currently offers. Why band the top and bottom, even just a little? Sell it @ well under $2k and video guys would buy them on the spot.

madamimadam
May 23, 2002, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by D*I*S_Frontman
As far as the 22" goes, a 19" would essentially replace it. People needing HD monitoring would go for the 23" with the higher resolution, and those that don't need HD referencing would invariably opt for a slightly smaller yet spot-on 16:9 monitor instead of the taller 16:10 22" display Apple currently offers. Why band the top and bottom, even just a little? Sell it @ well under $2k and video guys would buy them on the spot.


That is as good as saying that there is no market for 21 and 22" CRTs...... in other words, it is ****.

SPG
May 23, 2002, 09:10 PM
We should let the bean counters worry about whether having extra monitors in the lineup will affect their economies of scale.
I for one believe that there is a good market for a cheaper 16:9 monitor, and would welcome one into my home with my new G5...

teabgs
May 23, 2002, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by SPG

I for one believe that there is a good market for a cheaper 16:9 monitor, and would welcome one into my home with my new G5...

me too...it would be much better then trying to figure out how toget the $$$ needed for the 22" as well as justifying the purchase...