2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

[Rodimus Prime]

there year I would expect to see very few if any no lose teams in the BSC. It already predicted teh game for 1 and 2 will have a least 1 lost. they are predicted 2 lost teams in the BSC is not more.

Reason being it just look at the big 12 and the SEC break down of teams. You have a lot high rank teams this year. each have I believe 4 in the top 10. Big 12 south has 3 schools in the top 10 and 4 schools in the top 20. Add ot that there are only 6 schools in the Big 12 south so that means all those high rank teams have to play each other. The Big 12 and the SEC are no questions about it the hardest 2 conferences this year. It is debatable which is better.

Big 12 with it high power offense or the SEC with a stronger defense.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Yeah, we hated we were paired with Hawaii last year :(

I think the Utes have a good team, but it will be tough to maintain focus all year. One slip and the polls are not as forgiving for the non-BCS schools.

And I want nothing more than to see Urban Meyer and the Gators get their comeuppance. How do you feel about him now??

I think Urban Meyer is still viewed as a Saint at the University of Utah. That being said, it would be fun to beat him the first time the two schools met, sorta just say screw you for leaving so fast. It would have been nice to to the BCS thing a few years straight, then the fight for letting a non-BCS team play in the NC game would have some traction. But as it stands there has been a different team each year, though two of those years it was a WAC team.

SLC

[dmr727]

OU sucks!

OU sucks!

OU sucks!

Sorry all - I'm preparing for tomorrow. :)

[MacDawg]

The Red River Shootout should be a great game
It will be interesting to see which team can impose it's will on the other
Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford are both having good years
I'm guessing Oklahoma has too much for Texas, but these games can go either way

I think LSU is going to show Florida just how far they have fallen
The LSU defense will key on Tebow like everyone else is... and it will be a long day

Tennessee has a way of playing their best games against the Dawgs
As bad a team as the Vols are right now, the Dawgs can't take anyone for granted

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[dmr727]

I'm guessing Oklahoma has too much for Texas, but these games can go either way

I hate to say it, but I tend to agree. We haven't had a consistent running game develop yet, and our secondary is still suspect. Against weaker competition it hasn't been a problem, but the OU D will eat us alive if we can't find any balance.

I think our D will keep us in the game initially, but I have a feeling our offense will sputter, or worse, turn the ball over, and eventually our D will wear out.

[MacDawg]

We haven't had a consistent running game develop yet

I think I heard on sports talk radio the other day that Colt McCoy was the Longhorns leading rusher... I'll have to check. I know it works (or worked) for Tebow, but McCoy isn't exactly built the same, and I dare say that Mack Brown doesn't think like Urban Meyer does about using the QB as your primary running threat.

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[dmr727]

I think I heard on sports talk radio the other day that Colt McCoy was the Longhorns leading rusher...

Yep - you're right, he is. But it has more to do with his ability to scramble if he has the room. He's not an athletically gifted runner like Tebow, so we don't run plays designed around him running with the ball. Well not often, at any rate.

If anything it shows our ineptness in the running game. Colt is rushing for 63 yards per game. Our next best rusher is only producing 39 ypg.

[MacDawg]

Yep - you're right, he is. But it has more to do with his ability to scramble if he has the room. He's not an athletically gifted runner like Tebow, so we don't run plays designed around him running with the ball. Well not often, at any rate.

If anything it shows our ineptness in the running game. Colt is rushing for 63 yards per game. Our next best rusher is only producing 39 ypg.

Yep... but if he is scrambling around that much... it doesn't speak well for the offensive line :o

And I doubt he will be able to make that kind of yardage against the speed of the OU defense

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Good luck on the game!
It should be a good one!

I need you both to lose to help out my Dawgs! Ha! Ha!
How 'bout taking out the Sooners and losing to Mizzou for me!
Can you help a brother out??

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[dmr727]

Yep... but if he is scrambling around that much... it doesn't speak well for the offensive line

Heh! The good news is that he's usually not scrambling from defensive linemen. He'll sit in the pocket, and if the receivers are covered, he'll take off instead of throwing the ball away. Our offensive line has been doing a good job of protecting him. But you're right, the speed of the OU D will probably keep him from having a big game on the ground at any rate.

I sure hope I can take out the Sooners for you, but I think we have a better shot at a win against Missou. It's at home, and their D isn't nearly as good!

[MacDawg]

I sure hope I can take out the Sooners for you, but I think we have a better shot at a win against Missou. It's at home, and their D isn't nearly as good!

But that's the beauty of college football... you win the ones you aren't supposed to and lose the ones you are supposed to win :)

Must be hell being a Longhorn in Southern California (now that the Rose Bowl NC Championship game is fading and Vince is melting down in the pros... although Leinart flamed out too).

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[rhett7660]

One of my teams is out.... The other is doing pretty darn well. Sorry bout the loss MacDawg.... But lets just say you have pretty much owned Alabama for the past couple of years. So one little loss to the Tide shouldn't hurt that bad. :D

[dmr727]

But that's the beauty of college football... you win the ones you aren't supposed to and lose the ones you are supposed to win :)

Damn right! I love this sport more than any other. :)

Must be hell being a Longhorn in Southern California

What keeps it bearable is that we got the win. But yeah, it's tough. The wealth of the typical USC fan makes it worse, especially in a region where many people measure their self worth by their financial worth. I get it worse than most with my job, where I meet plenty of USC fans while at work. They're usually good sports about their loss to UT and we'll go back and forth with some good natured ribbing, but at the end of the day we both know that they're sitting in the back drinking martinis all the way to New York (or wherever), while I'm sitting up front driving them there.

[rhett7660]

The wealth of the typical USC fan makes it worse,

They are like a virus,, the stench, they smell... sorry had a matrix flash back. But I agree.... How I hate USC........and UCLA for that matter... Hell take your pick, any California team.....

[evilgEEk]

Have you ever seen more acting in a college football game? I thought I was watching the NBA, what with all the players flopping around.

Colt McCoy got two roughing the passer calls just by falling down, and that OU punter was just pathetic.

I didn't really have a preference, but was hoping for a good game. All the pathetic acting really ruined it for me.

[rhett7660]

Yikes.. just saw this.. Texas beats Oklahoma 45-35. Looks like there might be room for a new number 1... Come on Tide.....

[scotty96LSC]

Texas' Colt McCoy impressed me. Good player.
My Canes finally one. I had no idea they have 17 players hurt and can't play versus UCF. We still can salvage this season, but....

[iSaint]

But that's the beauty of college football... you win the ones you aren't supposed to and lose the ones you are supposed to win :)



Miss State 17
Vanderbilt 14

Wooo!




:rolleyes:

[MacDawg]

Good for you iSaint! Thought about you!
I needed a win out of you... knew I could count on you!

So the Sooners go down... excellent
All the undefeateds need to fall

It will be interesting to see who moves into the dreaded #1 spot next

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[Cave Man]

Yikes.. just saw this.. Texas beats Oklahoma 45-35. Looks like there might be room for a new number 1... Come on Tide.....

And all the more reason for a playoff.

[MacDawg]

And all the more reason for a playoff.

Geez... give it a rest... you've made your point... you want a playoff
We can't help you with that


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[dmr727]

Wow, what a game. Yeah, lots of BS called by the refs. But I can't argue with the result! :)

[Cave Man]

Geez... give it a rest... you've made your point... you want a playoff
We can't help you with that

Yeah, ok - not. I don't think you'll get rid of me that easily. :p I'm going to hang out on this thread just to remind all of you that the BCS is all about protecting the Big Six Conferences and how it's inherently unfair to the other DIA teams out there. And my team is in one of those Big Six Conferences.

[evilgEEk]

It will be interesting to see who moves into the dreaded #1 spot next

Definitely 'Bama as Mizzou just tossed an INT to seal the game for OK State.

#1, #3 and #4 all fall today.

I wonder if BYU will get bumped by Georgia and Florida? I think they should definitely be jumped by Florida after tonight's stomp of LSU.

I think they'll fall to #11.

My Boise State Broncos will stay at #15 on their win. I would say they might move up with Vandy's loss, but OK State will jump them for sure.

[Rodimus Prime]

Definitely 'Bama as Mizzou just tossed an INT to seal the game for OK State.

#1, #3 and #4 all fall today.

I wonder if BYU will get bumped by Georgia and Florida? I think they should definitely be jumped by Florida after tonight's stomp of LSU.

I think they'll fall to #11.

My Boise State Broncos will stay at #15 on their win. I would say they might move up with Vandy's loss, but OK State will jump them for sure.

I want to know who will be the top 5 tomorrow. Missouri and LSU will fall out. That leaves room for Texas Tech, and #6 team to move in.

All I can say is it seems the Big 12 are the hardest confresses this year and of that the Big 12 south is going to be where most of the good games are with 4 out of the 6 schools in the top 25 and 3 of the 6 in the top 10 (and will stay in the top 10)

[MacDawg]

I want to know who will be the top 5 tomorrow. Missouri and LSU will fall out. That leaves room for Texas Tech, and #6 team to move in.

All I can say is it seems the Big 12 are the hardest confresses this year and of that the Big 12 south is going to be where most of the good games are with 4 out of the 6 schools in the top 25 and 3 of the 6 in the top 10 (and will stay in the top 10)

I think the SEC and Big 12 clearly play the most competitive ball
The Big 12 is now finding the balance the SEC has had all along where no game is a gimmee

I agree that 'Bama should probably move to #1, I don't think they are a clear choice... especially with their performance against Kentucky last week (who fell to SCarolina this week). Things are shaping up to be a year like last year... wild and crazy. #1, #3 and #4 falling on the same day... with #2 having a bye. Wow... All 3 games were surprises for me, but that is the beauty of college ball.

I don't see any of the current undefeateds remaining so... many of them still play each other

Alabama - Ole Miss, Tennessee, Miss State, LSU, Auburn, SEC Championship
Texas - Missouri, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Kansas, Texas Tech
Texas Tech - Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma
Oklahoma State - Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma
Penn State - Ohio State, Michigan State

BYU - Utah
Utah - BYU
Boise State - Fresno State

Boise probably has the best shot, and either BYU or Utah (but one of them has to lose). Do any of those 3 deserve a shot? In my opinion... no. They have not played the schedules the others have... not even close.

Of the remaining undefeateds... probably Penn State has the best path. But they will have to get past Ohio State.

Alabama and any Big 12 team will have a championship game tacked on too

Time for the Big 12 to start beating up on each other
It started this week

New Top 5???

1. Texas
2. Alabama
3. Penn State
4. Texas Tech
5. Florida

But not for long... that's for sure!

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[CorvusCamenarum]

New Top 5???

1. Texas
2. Alabama
3. Penn State
4. Texas Tech
5. Florida

But not for long... that's for sure!

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It sounds insane, but I don't think I want the Tide at #1 right now. The ego boost it would generate is absolutely unnecessary. Something about pride before a fall and all that...

[MacDawg]

It sounds insane, but I don't think I want the Tide at #1 right now. The ego boost it would generate is absolutely unnecessary. Something about pride before a fall and all that...

It definitely has a psychological affect on the team and the opponents. It puts the bulls-eye there. 'Bama still has a rough road, like all the rest. Lots of football left to play and nobody with one loss is out yet (unless you are one of "those" non-BCS teams and even if you are undefeated you are out).

I'm not sure Texas Tech belongs at #4, but their schedule will definitely catch up to them soon. The Gators surprised me against LSU, and it is insane how good a team can look one week ('Bama against the Dawgs) and how poor they can perform the next (Kentucky). Insert whoever you want... (USC against Ohio State and Oregon State, Florida against Ole Miss and LSU, and so on).

There is going to be the usual sifting of the wheat and tares to come
Some pretty interesting games and story lines coming up this week...

Missouri at Texas
LSU at South Carolina
Vandy at Georgia
Kansas at Oklahoma
Baylor at Oklahoma State
Ole Miss at Alabama
Ohio State at Michigan State

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[Cave Man]

BYU
Utah
Boise State

Do any of those 3 deserve a shot? In my opinion... no. They have not played the schedules the others have... not even close.

There you go again. It's all about opinion, and not just yours. We will never know, under any circumstances, if any of those three teams are the best because they have zero chance of playing in the BCS Championship Game. The reason? The perceived (real or imagined) weakness of their conferences. They don't play the schedule of the SEC or Big 12 for sure, but I think their conferences are just as competitive as the Big 10, which is the most overrated conference in the country, year after year.

The BCS is about money (i.e., the Big Six markets), not about finding the best team in college football. It should really be called The Big Cash System.

[rhett7660]

It sounds insane, but I don't think I want the Tide at #1 right now. The ego boost it would generate is absolutely unnecessary. Something about pride before a fall and all that...

I agree. As much as I want the Tide to roll in to the number one spot, I don't want it this early. Especially since we still have Auburn and LSU to play.

[majordude]

Yeah, ok - not. I don't think you'll get rid of me that easily. :p

Plonk!

Congrats, you made it to my "twit filter".

There are only three people in there. I didn't need a playoff system to see who would make it. I just had strong opinions of you all based on your play within this conference. :mad:

[Badandy]

Badandy here...

Keep the top 5 losses coming baby. USC creeping up.

Did anyone see Joe McKnight? He's ridiculously good. We had a terrible day (I was at the game), five turnovers, and sanchez was still a bit injured and couldn't throw, and we still pitched a 28-0 shut out. We're rollin.

[dmr727]

USC definitely looked good. Another good team nobody seems to be talking about is Penn State.

[dmr727]

Ack! The dreaded #1 spot!

I'm surprised we jumped Alabama. It was a great win over OU, but we still have a ton of question marks. I'm not sure we're a no crap BCS contender yet.

[MacDawg]

Ack! The dreaded #1 spot!

I'm surprised we jumped Alabama. It was a great win over OU, but we still have a ton of question marks. I'm not sure we're a no crap BCS contender yet.

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/top10.png

LSU and Missouri drop out of the Top 10

Texas has a tough schedule and a chance to prove they are deserving
Lot of football left to play

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[dmr727]

Texas has a tough schedule and a chance to prove they are deserving
Lot of football left to play

Yeah - I just wish we didn't have the #1 on our backs while we work through the landmines! :)

[MacDawg]

Yeah - I just wish we didn't have the #1 on our backs while we work through the landmines! :)

How do you feel about the Missouri game now?

I expected a one loss Texas trying to rebound and make a statement against an undefeated Missouri team... now the opposite is true. Oklahoma State put the brakes on Chase and the Tigers. Will they fold or will they be hungry? Hard to say.

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[dmr727]

How do you feel about the Missouri game now?


I feel a lot better about Missouri than I did about OU. I'm glad we'll be at home. Still, as you mentioned, I think a lot of it will come down to how well the players can stay focused now that they got everyone's attention. It'll be an interesting next few weeks as a Longhorn fan. Our next five opponents are 23-4. Yikes!

[CorvusCamenarum]

Ack! The dreaded #1 spot!

I'm surprised we jumped Alabama. It was a great win over OU, but we still have a ton of question marks. I'm not sure we're a no crap BCS contender yet.


Doesn't surprise me at all. UA was off this week, plus we played like crap against Kentucky last week despite winning.

I have a feeling Ole Miss is going to get stomped a new one on Saturday.

[MacDawg]

I feel a lot better about Missouri than I did about OU. I'm glad we'll be at home. Still, as you mentioned, I think a lot of it will come down to how well the players can stay focused now that they got everyone's attention. It'll be an interesting next few weeks as a Longhorn fan. Our next five opponents are 23-4. Yikes!

Missouri, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor and Kansas
This is your playoff... where you earn your ranking on the field ;)

I was impressed the way Texas did not give up every time Oklahoma went ahead. You had plenty of opportunity to fold and pack it in. You did not run the ball well at all till the 4th quarter and then the Sooners had no answer for you. Bradford and McCoy both played well enough to win. I thought Bradford would be solid this year, but I had my doubts about McCoy. He has had a great year.

It was an exciting game and one of the few that lived up to the hype. The Longhorns are 3-1 in the last 4 against the Sooners. Impressive. But you are right, you have everyone's attention now, and the ability to focus will be key. Kids tend to start believing the hype about themselves... just ask the Trojans.

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[evilgEEk]

Do any of those 3 deserve a shot? In my opinion... no.

I'm assuming you're referring to a shot in the National Championship game? If so then I completely agree, but if you're saying they don't belong in the BCS at all then I disagree.

Boise's program is SO young still. Then you look at the "Blue Bloods" of college football: Oklahoma, Georgia, LSU, Texas, Alabama, etc...

These schools have been powerhouses for a VERY long time, and Boise has only been a Div. IA school for 12 years!

The other problem that Boise has is that none of these larger schools want to come here to play. We went to Georgia a few years ago, but they refused to come here. We've tried to get Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and many more but none of them want to play us.

Honestly I think it's because they don't want to risk a black eye on their season by losing to a WAC school. Wisconsin actually had the balls to go to Fresno this year, and good for them. But those visits are few and far between. Oregon is supposed to come to Boise next season, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they pull out.

How is a program supposed to grow and gain respect when the "Big Boys" are too scared to play?

[rhett7660]

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/top10.png

LSU and Missouri drop out of the Top 10

Texas has a tough schedule and a chance to prove they are deserving
Lot of football left to play

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That is what I am talking about.........

[MacDawg]

I have a feeling Ole Miss is going to get stomped a new one on Saturday.

Ole Miss, at Tennessee, at LSU, Mississippi State, Auburn
I think you lose one along the way

Ole Miss beat Florida in the Swamp
Tennessee has nothing left to play for but pride... and Alabama is the rival
LSU can't afford a loss... and it is in Baton Rouge
Mississippi State always plays you tough regardless
Auburn... well, it is the Iron Bowl and records don't count

Which one do you lose?
I don't know... but win them all and you may see the Dawgs again in Atlanta :)
This time maybe we will be ready... hard to beat a good team twice in a year

I'm assuming you're referring to a shot in the National Championship game? If so then I completely agree, but if you're saying they don't belong in the BCS at all then I disagree.

I have no problem with them playing in a BCS bowl if they deserve it. Utah and Boise did well in their appearances. Hawaii did not.

I don't think we are ready for a non-BCS team in the championship game yet... but that day may come if a team can show they deserve it. But demonstrating it will be tough with their schedule.

Sigh... go ahead Cave Guy... vent till your heart's content...


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[majordude]

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/top10.png

LSU and Missouri drop out of the Top 10

I think LSU could take USC. Hell, USC must of had 5 or 6 turnovers yesterday. They looked sloppy!

And is there a rule about how many games these teams have to play? How is it that USC has played two less than the State Pen? That doesn't seem right.

[Badandy]

I think LSU could take USC.

There is absolutely no way. Their offense is horrendous, we'd absolutely shut them down. If Florida, with their defense, can shut LSU down, it's a good bet we'd do the same.

Hell, USC must of had 5 or 6 turnovers yesterday. They looked sloppy!

Yes, we were sloppy. We had five, although one of the interceptions was not Sanchez's fault; Damian Williams (hey, thanks Arkansas!) had the ball hit him in his hands and he bobbled it and hit it straight up in the air. What was good about yesterday's game was how good Joe McKnight looked. He is a flat out weapon.

And is there a rule about how many games these teams have to play? How is it that USC has played two less than the State Pen? That doesn't seem right.

We've used all of our bye weeks I think. We also play Notre Dame in addition to our Pac 10 schedule.

[MacDawg]

We've used all of our bye weeks I think. We also play Notre Dame in addition to our Pac 10 schedule.

That will help your strength of schedule ;)

You will still come up one game short of those playing a conference championship game in the ACC, Big 12 and SEC

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[CorvusCamenarum]

Ole Miss, at Tennessee, at LSU, Mississippi State, Auburn
I think you lose one along the way

Ole Miss beat Florida in the Swamp
Tennessee has nothing left to play for but pride... and Alabama is the rival
LSU can't afford a loss... and it is in Baton Rouge
Mississippi State always plays you tough regardless
Auburn... well, it is the Iron Bowl and records don't count

Which one do you lose?
I don't know... but win them all and you may see the Dawgs again in Atlanta :)
This time maybe we will be ready... hard to beat a good team twice in a year
If I had to call a loss right now, I'd probably say LSU. *knock on wood*
Tennessee is not a rival. Auburn is a rival. Tennessee we just loathe.

The good news is that if we can keep it up, we probably will for another 2-3 years at least. There are a lot of young players getting starts and lots of playing time.

[evilgEEk]

I think LSU could take USC. Hell, USC must of had 5 or 6 turnovers yesterday. They looked sloppy!

And is there a rule about how many games these teams have to play? How is it that USC has played two less than the State Pen? That doesn't seem right.

Yeah, USC had five turnovers in a very sloppy win. How bad is Arizona State that they get shutout with five turnovers? Heh.

And the difference in the games played is simply their own respective schedules. They each will play 12 games by the end of November.

[MacDawg]

If I had to call a loss right now, I'd probably say LSU. *knock on wood*
Tennessee is not a rival. Auburn is a rival. Tennessee we just loathe.

The good news is that if we can keep it up, we probably will for another 2-3 years at least. There are a lot of young players getting starts and lots of playing time.

Ha! Ha! I hear you about Tennessee :) Great line!
It was good to shut down the Vols this week after 2 miserable losses

I agree, LSU is the most logical loss, but college football often defies logic

But you are right... you are very young, and that doesn't bode well for the rest of the SEC :( You will need to find a QB though


And the difference in the games played is simply their own respective schedules. They each will play 12 games by the end of November.

But as I have pointed out... they will come up a game short with teams that play a conference championship... Big 12, ACC, SEC

USC jumps all of the way to #4 in the USA Today poll

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[Badandy]

USC jumps all of the way to #4 in the USA Today poll


:D

[MacDawg]

:D

Wipe that smirk off your face... I said it with incredulous disdain :eek:

;)


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[dmr727]

Friggin' Trojans! ;)

[MacDawg]

Friggin' Trojans! ;)

They are media darlings... Hollywood you know...
They can do no wrong in the eyes of the pollsters

Have no fear... they may have another loss lurking in their schedule
They still have to play Stanford ;)

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[dmr727]

Now now MacDawg - be fair. USC does have the best team in the history of college football. In fact, they could beat half of the NFL. Nobody beats USC - they just choose not to win from time to time. ;) ;)

[rhett7660]

Now now MacDawg - be fair. USC does have the best team in the history of college football. In fact, they could beat half of the NFL. Nobody beats USC - they just choose not to win from time to time. ;) ;)

:rolleyes:;)

[Badandy]

Now now MacDawg - be fair. USC does have the best team in the history of college football. In fact, they could beat half of the NFL. Nobody beats USC - they just choose not to win from time to time. ;) ;)


I know you were saying it in jest, but your last sentence is spot on. We could probably beat the Rams...

[redmeister]

big 12 shaping up to be real interesting with the various upsets this past weekend.

[Mike Teezie]

I know you were saying it in jest, but your last sentence is spot on. We could probably beat the Rams...

I'll assume you were joking. Any NFL team would absolutely crush any college team.

[Badandy]

I'll assume you were joking. Any NFL team would absolutely crush any college team.

I was half joking. The Rams would absolutely beat us. The biggest difference between college and pro teams are experience, strength, and size on the offensive and defensive lines. While USC probably will send all its linemen to the NFL, we would get manhandled by an NFL line. As far as traditional "skill players" such as our wide receivers and running backs, we could give the Rams a run for their money. Don't forget our linebackers (Brian Cushing, Rey Maualuga) and our safeties (Kevin Ellison, and the future of safeties TAYLOR MAYS), we are set.

[MacDawg]

we would get manhandled by an NFL line

Or a mediocre Oregon State line ;)

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[RamblinWreck]

Tommy Bowden out at Clemson!! It's about time!

Poor timing for my GT team though. I'm worried the Tigers will come out with a "nothing to lose" attitude. Should be interesting.

[evilgEEk]

"They just told us. It's what he deserved," said senior quarterback Cullen Harper, who was benched after the Tigers' loss to Wake Forest and replaced by highly regarded sophomore Willy Korn.

Bitter much? Heh.

I haven't been following Clemson, so I have no idea if the benching was justified or not.

These kind of mid-season firings rarely spell anything but continued struggle for the team. I've always felt Athletic Departments should wait until the end of the season to let go of a coach.

[MacDawg]

Tommy Bowden out at Clemson!! It's about time!

Poor timing for my GT team though. I'm worried the Tigers will come out with a "nothing to lose" attitude. Should be interesting.

After your BIG 10-7 win this week over Gardner Webb... you should be ready for anything!

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[RamblinWreck]

After your BIG 10-7 win this week over Gardner Webb... you should be ready for anything!

Ouch....yeah, that was a rough game. O line looked awful, not to mention that Booker at QB was not a good fit. It really showed how much the triple option relies on a solid MOBILE QB.

I've enjoyed watching this clip a few times MacDawg (passed the :30 mark):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk7Oj8wmRLQ

I guess he forgot to leap over him this time.

[MacDawg]

I've enjoyed watching this clip a few times MacDawg (passed the :30 mark):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk7Oj8wmRLQ

I guess he forgot to leap over him this time.

Shoulda been a helmet to helmet penalty... but I'll take the hit and a win any day against an SEC opponent :)

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[redmeister]

be interesting to see how the dawgs do rest of the season, i thought they would do well heading into the year

[MacDawg]

be interesting to see how the dawgs do rest of the season, i thought they would do well heading into the year

Injuries have decimated the O-Line and the front 7 has been hurt on D too. Our number 1 O lineman and number 1 D lineman both went down early. We lost another O lineman this week. But we are still hanging tough. Every win is big, and Vandy will be no cakewalk this week. We have to win the ones we are supposed to in order to have a showdown with the Gators in Jacksonville.

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[MacDawg]

The mighty Cougars of BYU get dominated and exposed 32-7 by TCU

And that... Cave Guy... is why the Non-BCS teams don't get respect or consideration for the BSCNC

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[evilgEEk]

Please, the only people that thought BYU was a serious NC contender were the BYU fans. And there were plenty amongst them that weren't blind and knew it wasn't a real possibility. It was fun to talk about, but we all knew it wasn't going happen.

On another note:

I was having a bit of a discussion over at espn.com about this, and now I'm curious what you guys think...

A non-BCS school has to go undefeated to gain any sort of national recognition, but then others argue (rightfully so) that their SOS is so low that it's not hard to go unbeaten throughout the season, and therefore don't deserve their ranking.

So what should the non-BCS program do? Should the program try to schedule more games with top-tier schools (Oklahoma, Texas, Georgia, Florida, etc...) in hopes to gain more respect from the community?

Generally I would say yes, but at second glance that's not such a good idea for the program.

If the program schedules a larger school and beats them that's great, but if they lose they also lose all hopes of gaining any national recognition because their record isn't perfect. So with national recognition gone, so are the hopes of a large bowl bid. With the large bowl bid gone then that program loses all hopes of getting some much needed funding to further improve on the program. And lastly, if that national recognition goes away then so do the hopes of being able to recruit good players year after year.

So what would be better? Schedule more difficult schools to gain a little bit of respect from the community, or go unbeaten and gain national recognition which helps build the program?

I would say you first need to build the program, but there comes a point when you need to step up to that next level and battle some better teams.

Personally I think it would be great if Washington State moved down to the WAC and Boise got in to the PAC-10. Granted the PAC-10 is kind of the joke of the BCS, but at least it's a BCS conference.

Opinions/ideas?

[MacDawg]

I vote to schedule as tough an out of conference schedule as you can
Playing the BCS schools will help recruitment, not hurt it

To be the best, you need to play the best and get better

I would prefer Boise JOIN the Pac 10 and bring a friend (BYU, Utah?)
Make it the Pac 12 and play a Conference Championship game

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[majordude]

I would prefer Boise JOIN the Pac 10 and bring a friend (BYU, Utah?) Make it the Pac 12 and play a Conference Championship game

But right now those teams all make national news (and recruits) because they are the odd man out. If they join the Pac 10, they will never have the same appeal again. USC is going to win 18 of the next 20 conference championships. They have the prestige, money, coaches, girls and weather.

[MacDawg]

Today's big games...
If I have overlooked YOUR team (cough.. badandy... cough :) ) it is because these are relevant games :)

#22 Vanderbilt at #10 Georgia
First time these 2 teams have both been ranked when they met
Vandy always plays the Dawgs tough, winning in Athens in 06 and shuda won last year
Could be a Dawg statement game, or could be very close... I'm hoping for a Dawg blowout

#12 Ohio State at #20 Michigan State
Two ranked teams, but both have taken a back seat to Penn State
Ohio State is still searching for an identity
The move at QB was good, but this is still not a great team

#16 Kansas at #4 Oklahoma
Kansas should feel the wrath of a stung Sooner team
I don't expect this one to be close... Oklahoma scores early and often
Bradford has a big day

Ole Miss at #2 Alabama
Many have this as their upset alert, and it could be
Should be an interesting and fun game
Both coaches have moved from one team to another in the SEC West

Michigan at #3 Penn State
Although Michigan sux this is a big hurdle for Penn State
This is a bowl game for Michigan
It won't matter

#11 Missouri at #1 Texas
Great matchup... how will Texas handle being #1
Can Mizzou give Chase Daniels enough time to throw
I need an upset, but I doubt it comes today
There is a loss on the Texas schedule... somewhere... hard to tell where

#13 LSU at South Carolina
LSU might get burned again
The SC defense is strong and LSU has no offense
New QB for SC could give LSU trouble

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[iSaint]

You're not going to call that bracket-buster of a game: Miss State v Tennessee?


:D:D:p

[MacDawg]

You're not going to call that bracket-buster of a game: Miss State v Tennessee?


Didn't they play on Friday night with the HS teams? :p

How the mighty have fallen!
Croom was coach of the year in the SEC last year I think
Fulmer won the East :rolleyes: (what a load of crap that was)
Phil even got a hefty extension based on that

Should be another 3-2 game like you had with Auburn :)
Both have good defenses and zero offense
I like your Bulldogs in this game... the Vols have had enough this year

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[iSaint]

MSU has showed a little offense of late. I'll take your assessment and run with it. :)

[evilgEEk]

Michigan at #3 Penn State
Although Michigan sux this is a big hurdle for Penn State
This is a bowl game for Michigan
It won't matter

I don't know why, but I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Michigan, so I hope they can hold on to their lead here in the early minutes of the third quarter and pull off an amazing upset of Penn.

#11 Missouri at #1 Texas
Great matchup... how will Texas handle being #1
Can Mizzou give Chase Daniels enough time to throw
I need an upset, but I doubt it comes today
There is a loss on the Texas schedule... somewhere... hard to tell where

I can see Mizzou pulling this off. They should definitely be playing with some passion after their loss last week. Will Texas be back down to earth after the win last week?

[Badandy]

I can't believe the absolute ignorance of CBS. If anyone was just watching the SEC on CBS they just cut to a clippf the USC/WSU game and commented how it was unsportsmanlike how we were running the score up because it's 69-0. That is utter BS. We took our startig QB out of the game at halftime, have our entire secod string defense in. And are ONLY running it on offense in the second half. What crap. It's that kind of dishonet reprting that gives us a bad reputation.


Edit: typos everywhere, I'm on my iPhone

[evilgEEk]

Wow.

Okay, nevermind about Michigan. Rich Rodriguez is an idiot for pulling Threet backed up in Michigan territory.

Penn and Rodriguez both deserved that safety.

Moron. :rolleyes:

[dmr727]

I can't believe the absolute ignorance of CBS. If anyone was just watching the SEC on CBS they just cut to a clippf the USC/WSU game and commented how it was unsportsmanlike how we were running the score up because it's 69-0. That is utter BS. We took our startig QB out of the game at halftime, have our entire secod string defense in. And are ONLY running it on offense in the second half. What crap. It's that kind of dishonet reprting that gives us a bad reputation.


You know me - I'm no USC fan, but I couldn't agree with you more. I didn't see the game since I was at work, but if USC was pulling starters at the half - what else can they do? You can't ask the players on the field to give less than 100%. Rest the starters and call conservative plays, but at that point if you still score, you still score. WSU is a horrible, horrible team. That score didn't surprise me at all.

[iDAG]

I'm happy, OSU crushed Michigan State 45-7. I bet they will go up in the rankings this week and I now believe we have a chance against Penn State next week! :cool:

[dmr727]

I'm happy, OSU crushed Michigan State 45-7. I bet they will go up in the rankings this week and I now believe we have a chance against Penn State next week! :cool:

With all the one loss teams out there - everyone outside of Happy Valley is hoping you're right! :)

[Rodimus Prime]

I can't believe the absolute ignorance of CBS. If anyone was just watching the SEC on CBS they just cut to a clippf the USC/WSU game and commented how it was unsportsmanlike how we were running the score up because it's 69-0. That is utter BS. We took our startig QB out of the game at halftime, have our entire secod string defense in. And are ONLY running it on offense in the second half. What crap. It's that kind of dishonet reprting that gives us a bad reputation.


Edit: typos everywhere, I'm on my iPhone

you get used to comments like that. I was at Texas Tech and they made big deals about how Tech would just rack up the points.

once game I went to tech pulled it starts for both offense and defense and the other school was still struggling to score. They finally got on in.

Tech response was to put its starters back on the field and do one very quick drive less than 1 min for a score. Then back to 2nd string. They made a big deal how that was unsportman like.

But then again I got thick to it after seeing a lot of games with score ran up like that where they would hit 50 then just go score for score trading. (50 would be hit in the very early in the 3rd quarter if not earlier.)

[majordude]

Texas looks like they deserve the #1 slot. :eek:

[dmr727]

Texas looks like they deserve the #1 slot. :eek:

I'm just happy to see that we could be focused all week and avoid the slump.

But man, even if we win tonight, I just don't see us running through the rest of the schedule unscathed.

[MacDawg]

MSU has showed a little offense of late. I'll take your assessment and run with it. :)

Looks like your guys were the ones that gave up tonight... not Tennessee :(

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[Tilpots]

I'm happy, OSU crushed Michigan State 45-7. I bet they will go up in the rankings this week and I now believe we have a chance against Penn State next week! :cool:

I think they got more than a chance. I know PS is tough this year, but the game's in Columbus and the Buckeye's O is starting to roll. The D needs to force a couple of turnovers though, let Beanie and Pryor run the clock, cause PS is putting up a lot of points each week.


And how bout them Terps! They can only beat ranked teams!:eek:

[benthewraith]

I can't believe the absolute ignorance of CBS. If anyone was just watching the SEC on CBS they just cut to a clippf the USC/WSU game and commented how it was unsportsmanlike how we were running the score up because it's 69-0. That is utter BS. We took our startig QB out of the game at halftime, have our entire secod string defense in. And are ONLY running it on offense in the second half. What crap. It's that kind of dishonet reprting that gives us a bad reputation.


Edit: typos everywhere, I'm on my iPhone

Is Jill Arrington still with CBS? Or am I associating her with the wrong network?

[evilgEEk]

Obviously anything can happen on any given weekend, but does Texas look good or what??

McCoy is an animal, but I can't help but wonder if he will finally have that bad game. I say he is absolutely the clear frontrunner for the Heisman.

If Texas plays OK State like they played today then it shouldn't be a problem for them.

[CorvusCamenarum]

Ole Miss at #2 Alabama
Many have this as their upset alert, and it could be
Should be an interesting and fun game
Both coaches have moved from one team to another in the SEC West

Definitely interesting, but only halfway fun. I don't know what on earth they're on about, but the Tide needs to quit treating second halves like it's an after-church pickup game out in Farmer Brown's back forty.

It would probably also help if Saban started making players take a lap for every yard of unnecessary penalty. That's be about 6 miles' worth on Monday.

[majordude]

...like it's an after-church pickup game... if Saban started making players...

Hmmm. "Saban" does sound like "Satan". :p

[MacDawg]

BYU is the only Top 10 casualty this week as the others hold serve

There were some scares... LSU and Alabama both had lackluster games
Penn State trailed at the half but came on strong

badandy, I wouldn't worry too much about the negative press on USC's throttling of Washington State. It was a no win situation. If you don't win big, you are accused of being unable to finish inferior teams... if you wax them, you are running up the score. Funny... 'Bama was up 31-0 on Georgia at the half and they weren't accused of anything other than being a powerhouse. Same for Texas up 35-0 on Missouri.

I still believe all of the undefeateds have a loss on their schedule somewhere... but it will be hard to find it until it happens.

The Dawgs remaining 5 games are all "winnable"... LSU (not looking so good), Florida (vulnerable as Ole Miss showed), Kentucky (up and down), Auburn (no offense and in disarray), Tech (not ready for prime time and turnover prone). If they run the table, they could get a rematch (redemption?) with 'Bama. Cody is getting an MRI on his knee... so watch that... although preliminary reports are saying no surgery and out a couple of weeks.

I'm still waiting on the Dawgs to put it together and have a complete game... hopefully against LSU and Florida. The past 2 weeks against Tennessee and Vandy we have had a huge edge in yardage, but we have not finished drives. 2 red zone turnovers against the Vols and 2 missed field goals against Vandy. Moreno is running for huge yards, and Stafford's numbers are good, but we don't get the points to show for it.

The next 2 weeks will define the Dawgs' season.

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[MacDawg]

First BCS Poll is out...

Link to ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3652334)

The first edition of the BCS standings were released Sunday and Texas is No. 1.
Here's a quick look at the top 10.

1. Texas
2. Alabama
3. Penn State
4. Oklahoma
5. USC
6. Oklahoma State
7. Georgia
8. Texas Tech
9. Ohio State
10. Florida

I guess I can't complain... the Dawgs are higher in the BCS than they are in the AP and the USAToday polls,
with the opportunity to climb higher on strength of schedule...if they win ;)

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[evilgEEk]

Here's the full poll:

BCS Standings
1. Texas 7-0
2. Alabama 7-0
3. Penn State 8-0
4. Oklahoma 6-1
5. USC 5-1
6. Oklahoma State 7-0
7. Georgia 6-1
8. Texas Tech 7-0
9. Ohio State 7-1
10. Florida 5-1
11. Utah 8-0
12. Boise State 6-0
13. LSU 5-1
14. TCU 7-1
15. Missouri 5-2
16. South Florida 6-1
17. Pitt 5-1
18. Georgia Tech 6-1
19. Tulsa 7-0
20. Ball State 7-0
21. BYU 6-1
22. Northwestern 6-1
23. Kansas 5-2
24. Minnesota 6-1
25. Florida State 5-1

I'm pretty happy with Utah and Boise State at 11 and 12 respectively. I think Utah will have a pretty tough job against TCU, and then BYU will definitely want redemption.

My only concern now is that with TCU's giant leap in to the rankings, if they beat Utah they might leapfrog Boise State.

I would say the top ten is very fair. It will definitely be interesting to see what happens over the next two weeks with Texas playing OK State and Texas Tech.

[iDAG]

Oh, yeah! OSU is number nine (back in the top ten where they should be)! If we can beat Penn State this week, then we are right back in this thing because after that, there really isn't any speed bumps to go over to at least the Big Ten Championship and a BCS bowl... :cool:

[dmr727]

Stillll not liking the #1 ranking. Sigh....

[Mr Kram]

Oh, yeah! OSU is number nine (back in the top ten where they should be)! If we can beat Penn State this week, then we are right back in this thing because after that, there really isn't any speed bumps to go over to at least the Big Ten Championship and a BCS bowl... :cool:

please beat penn st.

[MacDawg]

Oh, yeah! OSU is number nine (back in the top ten where they should be)! If we can beat Penn State this week, then we are right back in this thing because after that, there really isn't any speed bumps to go over to at least the Big Ten Championship and a BCS bowl... :cool:

The lack of "speed bumps" as you say indicates your strength of schedule is lacking and it will prevent you from being "right back in this thing". Now, if you are just looking to win the Big 10 and go to a BCS Bowl, then you are probably right... but I don't know if the pollsters will give you another opportunity to be humiliated in the Championship Game... not 3 years in a row.

Stillll not liking the #1 ranking. Sigh....

I feel your pain... because there is a lot of football left to play, although Texas has looked awfully good the past 2 weeks. There is just no room for error.

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[rhett7660]

Oh, yeah! OSU is number nine (back in the top ten where they should be)! If we can beat Penn State this week, then we are right back in this thing because after that, there really isn't any speed bumps to go over to at least the Big Ten Championship and a BCS bowl... :cool:


Yeah ok.... LOL..

A little worried about my Alabama team. They haven't look good in the second half the past couple of games. They are still winning but I would like them to be a little more productive on both defense and offense.

[MacDawg]

A little worried about my Alabama team.

Your day will come ;)
I wouldn't mind being the one to knock you off in the SEC Championship Game
Redemption is always sweet

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[RamblinWreck]

I can handle #18. That will move up once the AP & Coaches polls get in the game.

[Rodimus Prime]

it going to start getting messy for the 4 of the top 10 schools in the coming weeks with the schedule for the big 12 south starting to play each other.

when 4 out of the 6 schools in the big 12 south are all top 10 it just means it is going to be some very good games coming up. I know Texas Tech has a very hard road ahead of it having to face Kansas, Texas, OSU and OU for a 4 week run. The OSU vs Tech game is going to go to Texas Tech as it is a curse with those 2 teams that who ever plays at home is going to win. Been that way for a while now.

[rhett7660]

Your day will come ;)
I wouldn't mind being the one to knock you off in the SEC Championship Game
Redemption is always sweet

Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

:rolleyes: Ha............. Yes it is!

[mikeyredk]

I don't know why they have Bama at 2 and Penn State at three? Penn State had a much better win then Bama did on the road vs at home. I blame it all on OSU

[iDAG]

I don't know why they have Bama at 2 and Penn State at three? Penn State had a much better win then Bama did on the road vs at home. I blame it all on OSU

Why are you blaming OSU? They don't play each other until this saturday in primetime. BTW OSU is going to destroy Penn State now they are getting it on again! Here we come Big Ten Championship!!! :cool:

[majordude]

BTW OSU is going to destroy Penn State now they are getting it on again!

I hope that you are wrong. I'd like to see State Pen end up in the championship game so Patrino can finally retire (on top). :)

[iDAG]

I hope that you are wrong. I'd like to see State Pen end up in the championship game so Patrino can finally retire (on top). :)

What are you talking about, he will be the coach of Penn State until the day he dies! :cool:

[iSaint]

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What are you talking about, he will be the coach of Penn State until the day he dies! :cool:

I'd like to see Paterno go out on top. At 82, how much can he really be running the show? I think it's great to see an old standard like Penn State doing well.

[MacNut]

Not sure who has seen this clip yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do-J6nAmus8&feature=related The USC QB gets nailed by the umpire.

The collision between South Carolina quarterback Stephen Garcia and umpire Wilbur Hackett Jr. in Saturday's loss to LSU has drawn a lot of attention over the past two days, but Gamecocks coach Steve Spurrier says Hackett did nothing wrong.

Hackett, a former linebacker at the University of Kentucky from 1967-70, ended up making contact with Garcia after the Gamecocks' QB rolled to his left and headed for the end zone in the second quarter. Hackett and Garcia collided at the 5-yard line as the LSU defense closed in.

"He was trying to get out of the way," Spurrier said of Hackett, according to The State in Columbia, S.C. "Stephen sort of cut back right into him. Sometimes that will happen."

When contacted by ESPN's Joe Schad, the Southeastern Conference office said after reviewing the play, it believes the umpire was in appropriate position. A spokesman said the umpire raised his arm to defend himself after a change of direction by the runner.http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3654428

[SLC Flyfishing]

I'm pretty happy with Utah and Boise State at 11 and 12 respectively. I think Utah will have a pretty tough job against TCU, and then BYU will definitely want redemption.

My only concern now is that with TCU's giant leap in to the rankings, if they beat Utah they might leapfrog Boise State.

I think Utah's going to run the table this year. I'm sure nobody saw the game on Saturday since it's only carried on the Mtn network or Versus (can't remember which) but Utah handled Colorado State. Not that Colorado State is a tough opponent but they hung in there with TCU. Utah has a strong pattern of finishing the season strong, the offense looked stellar against Colorado State and the Defense is rock solid. I just don't see Utah losing any more games. I could be wrong of course but I don't think I am.

The Utes should lodge themselves firmly in the top 10 before the season ends with a win against both TCU and BYU who are both BCS ranked. I think were on our way to the Fiesta Bowl again.

But what happens if both Utah and Boise State go undefeated this season? Do they both go to the BCS, or will they leave Boise State out of it?

SLC

[mikeyredk]

Why are you blaming OSU? They don't play each other until this saturday in primetime. BTW OSU is going to destroy Penn State now they are getting it on again! Here we come Big Ten Championship!!! :cool:

Why for blowing two title games in a row thats why

[majordude]

Not sure who has seen this clip yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do-J6nAmus8&feature=related The USC QB gets nailed by the umpire.

Classic! It looks like he really went at him instead of trying to defend himself... lowered his shoulder and nailed him!

Thank god that wasn't Hochuli. He would have taken the guy's head off with those arms but would have blown the whistle too quickly so the guy's head wouldn't be ruled a fumble.

[Badandy]

...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do-J6nAmus8&feature=related The USC QB gets nailed by the umpire.


Oh, you mean South Carolina? Just making sure you weren't referring to the real USC (www.usc.edu).

[djohnson]

^^^ All kinds of messed up!

I am calling Texas Tech to win against Kansas on Saturday. How big of a margin will depend on if they played like they did second half against TAMU or if they play like they did in the first half.

Other Big 12 matchups

Texas over OSU
OU over KSU
Nebraska over Baylor
Missouri over Colorado
TAMU over Iowa St

I am most interested in the Texas game, mainly to see if the Texas secondary is still as weak as they looked during the OU game. If they have not improved then next weeks game against Texas Tech will be very interesting. Strong Passing vs young Secondary and maybe another #1 school will fall.

[Rodimus Prime]

remember Texas Tech is a wild card and fairly unpredictable. They could easily take the Big 12 champion ship this year. It really is going to come down to the Texas game.

Last time Texas was in Lubbock they only won because Tech blew the game in the last 1/2 because they had it lock after the first 1/2.


Either way big 12 south this year is just insane with 4 out of the 6 teams all ranked in the top 10.

[furcalchick]

espn is so in love with usc. they talk about their two impressive wins against slack 10 teams (washington st. is a joke, they might as well be 1-aa) as if usc is destroying sec quality teams. their schedule is too soft, i don't think they should be so high in the bcs rankings. in fact, if they didn't dominate in those last two games, i would argue dropping them 1 or 2 spots for playing around with inferior opponents. plus, espn recommended that they should play for the national championship. sorry usc, not this year, better hope a bunch of other teams lose, and i don't think they are the best 1-loss team (that's uga).

anyway, lsu and uga saturday. loser of this game is likely done for the national championship race, and it's bigger for lsu as they need to win to stay in the sec race. lsu is rebuilding, so i'm not expecting a national championship from them.

[dmr727]

Friggin' Texas Tech. Their school is fun and their women are hot, but the football team drives me nuts. That crazy offense of theirs makes the team completely unpredictable, and they'll beat a #1 team one week and get beat by a high school team the next.

We call them the cockroaches. They don't really ever do anything on their own, such as win a conference or national title, but they're very good at ruining someone else's season. It's led to the phrase, "Man, we had a great season up until we got roached by Tech."

Sigh...I just hope we don't get roached this year. :)

[evilgEEk]

But what happens if both Utah and Boise State go undefeated this season? Do they both go to the BCS, or will they leave Boise State out of it?

Technically two non-BCS teams can make it to the BCS. The higher ranked team has an automatic berth whereas the lower team has to be selected to play. So it is possible, but it's not very likely.

3. The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:

A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

No more than one such team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in any year. If two or more teams from those conferences satisfy the provisions for an automatic berth, then the team with the highest finish in the final BCS Standings will receive the automatic berth, and the remaining team or teams will be in the pool of teams eligible for selection by the bowls as at-large teams.

It will be very interesting to see if both Utah and BSU finish the season with top 10 BCS rankings only to have one of them lose out to an ACC or Big East school.

Of course there's plenty of football to be played yet. Boise has to get past San Jose this Friday, and San Jose has always played us unusually tough at their house.

Go Broncos! :D

[Badandy]

espn is so in love with usc.

We want to play in big games and we don't disappoint once we get there.

their schedule is too soft, i don't think they should be so high in the bcs rankings.

So if Kobe Bryant were playing a bunch of high schoolers, he would drop from being among the world's best basketball players? Didn't think so...

The main reason strength of schedule is so important is that it weeds out the imitators. The Hawaii's, those people. The people who don't already have their talent proven and their reputation solidified. To go along with my analogy: It's like a grown man dropping 60 points playing against high school basketball teams. Is he really as good as Kobe, or is it only because his schedule is easy? It hasn't been established yet...


plus, espn recommended that they should play for the national championship.

Absolutely we should at this rate. We will get in over any other one loss team because of several reasons.

-We have the most talented players in the nation. Here's a hint: Our free safety runs a faster 40 than Darren McFadden. Our running backs? Joe McKnight, Stafon Johnson, Broderick Green, CJ Gable. They would be starters on 90% of the teams out there. Our receivers are really starting to kick it up this year. Pair this offensive weaponry with the number 1 defense in the nation, bring it on.
-We are electrifying to watch (I've never met a 4th down situation Pete didn't like to go for it on)
-We flat out perform in big games (5-1 in BCS bowl games)
-We have a ton of fans who tune in to watch us win, and a ton of haters who tune in hoping to see us lose


Keep hating people. We like to hear it out here.

[Rodimus Prime]

Friggin' Texas Tech. Their school is fun and their women are hot, but the football team drives me nuts. That crazy offense of theirs makes the team completely unpredictable, and they'll beat a #1 team one week and get beat by a high school team the next.

We call them the cockroaches. They don't really ever do anything on their own, such as win a conference or national title, but they're very good at ruining someone else's season. It's led to the phrase, "Man, we had a great season up until we got roached by Tech."

Sigh...I just hope we don't get roached this year. :)

Time I can think that did that was a few years ago. They had a great season doing some major damage to high ranked teams but loose to OSU in sweetwater. It was OSU only Conference win that year. But you have to understand when it comes to OSU and Texas Tech the winner is who ever plays at home. It insane how true it is.

I also goign to assume you did not go to Texas Tech and went/ go to OU or UT. My personal guess is OU since they ruined it for OU last year. That was a great game followed by the students rushing the field.

[djohnson]

Time I can think that did that was a few years ago. They had a great season doing some major damage to high ranked teams but loose to OSU in sweetwater. It was OSU only Conference win that year. But you have to understand when it comes to OSU and Texas Tech the winner is who ever plays at home. It insane how true it is.

I also goign to assume you did not go to Texas Tech and went/ go to OU or UT. My personal guess is OU since they ruined it for OU last year. That was a great game followed by the students rushing the field.

This is why I love the Big 12. Just about any team can beat any other team during the year. At least in 2 weeks we will not have 3 undefeated teams in the south. UT vs OSU followed by TTU vs UT will be great games to watch! :)

[SLC Flyfishing]

........Pair this offensive weaponry with the number 1 defense in the nation, bring it on.......

You're incorrect, TCU has the #1 ranked defense in the nation.

But USC seems like a descent team, too bad the Pac has been rolled by the Mountain West Conference this year, though I would have liked to see USC play a MWC team this year. Like you said, at this point we just don't really know if USC us up to snuff since they really haven't played anyone of any sort of quality thus far. And they did lose to Oregon State, which my Utes got by the following week. The one common opponent our teams shared resulted in a loss for USC and a win for University of Utah.

SLC

[dmr727]

I also goign to assume you did not go to Texas Tech and went/ go to OU or UT. My personal guess is OU since they ruined it for OU last year. That was a great game followed by the students rushing the field.

Yeah - I'm a Texas grad. I have a lot of good memories of driving up to Lubbock to party before a game. :)

[Badandy]

You're incorrect, TCU has the #1 ranked defense in the nation.

We allow fewer PPG. We held Ohio State to 3 points. We'll probably also have 8 guys from our defense starting in the NFL quite soon.

Like you said, at this point we just don't really know if USC us up to snuff since they really haven't played anyone of any sort of quality thus far.

No no no. We don't know if the Utes are up to snuff since they haven't played anyone of any sort of quality thus far. Like I said, Kobe Bryant playing against high schoolers is still Kobe. People know who we have and how we play. We are proven, whether or not the rest of our conference is playing well. It's you guys who have something to prove.

By the way, the AP predictions for the BCS bowls came out. National title game predictions from the AP? USC vs. Texas. The rematch. Objectively, 2005 was one of the best title games in the history of college football. Subjectively, we're looking for revenge and we'd like nothing more. You see, we don't shy away from big games. Remember Les Miles talking all that trash last year about USC? We offered him a two game contract home and home (at LSU and USC in consecutive years). Of course, he was scared. Any time, anywhere people.


And they did lose to Oregon State, which my Utes got by the following week. The one common opponent our teams shared resulted in a loss for USC and a win for University of Utah.

SLC

Surely you're not suggesting Utah would beat us by the all-mythical transitive property? That's really not the way it works in sports, and to suggest that Utah is up at the level USC is at is a little bit insulting.

There are two leagues.

USC, Texas, Penn State, Georgia, and Alabama. And then everyone else.

[Rodimus Prime]

Yeah - I'm a Texas grad. I have a lot of good memories of driving up to Lubbock to party before a game. :)

well I will be blunt. I hope and expect Texas Tech kick UT's ass on Nov 1st. I do want them to ruined UT chances because that means Tech is one step closer to being the Big 12 champion.

That and I just like to see the Raiders win.

Go Tech.

[RamblinWreck]

There are two leagues.

USC, Texas, Penn State, Georgia, and Alabama. And then everyone else.

I've gotta admit I'm getting sick of everyone in CA acting like the USC is almighty. Yeah you didn't show up against Oregon State, but you toppled mighty Ohio State :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, but I've got no respect for a conference where an opponent is beaten by 69 points and besides mighty OSU, USC hasn't played anyone.

And after losing to this now 4-3 team, you are still ranked number 5. C'mon there are too many blowhards in LA with a vote in the polls, which have an effect on the ********* Championship Series.

[dmr727]

well I will be blunt. I hope and expect Texas Tech kick UT's ass on Nov 1st. I do want them to ruined UT chances because that means Tech is one step closer to being the Big 12 champion.

That and I just like to see the Raiders win.

Right on! It'll certainly be a great game. :D

[Badandy]

I've gotta admit I'm getting sick of everyone in CA acting like the USC is almighty.

You might be sick of it, but it's true.

Yeah you didn't show up against Oregon State, but you toppled mighty Ohio State :rolleyes:

Oh, you mean the game that was supposed to "test" us?

I'm sorry, but I've got no respect for a conference where an opponent is beaten by 69 points and besides mighty OSU, USC hasn't played anyone.

You don't need to have respect for the conference as a whole, just for USC. We are 5-1 in BCS bowl games. That's all I need to say.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Well badandy, I have to say that it's only the fans of USC that I've seen lauding their team. Everyone else seems to think they're very much overrated. Out here the talk of the town is how crappy the Pac 10 is, the Mountain West (a supposedly inferior conference) went 6 and 1 against the Pac 10 this year. There were rumblings about Utah seceding from the MWC and joining up with the Pac, but nobody even wants to consider that option anymore, the Pac just wouldn't show our relative strength like the MWC does lately. We've got 3 top 25 BCS teams, how many does the Pac 10 have?

And let me tell you, the USC rating is crap and even you know it. Look what happened to BYU, they lose to a team that is ranked in the top 15 in the BCS polls and who would rock any team in the Pac (yes even USC) and they go from #9 to #21.

I hate USC and yes I do think that right now the Utes would hand them their hats on the field. Perhaps we'll get a match up in the BCS this year.

SLC

[RamblinWreck]

Oh, you mean the game that was supposed to "test" us?


That's the only game the media could even consider a test as the rest of your schedule is full of cupcakes.


I'll apologize for the ranting. I'm just stuck a CA now and get tired of hearing of the USC love. Besides, MacDawgs team hasn't given me enough to complain about in recent days. Brace yourself for Thanksgiving time for those talks MacDawg. Will you be at the game this year?

[dmr727]

I'll apologize for the ranting. I'm just stuck a CA now and get tired of hearing of the USC love.

Don't need to apologize - I live here! Their fans are horrible. Even the USC coaches complain about their fans. Especially since everyone knows that as soon as USC has a down year, they'll all completely disappear. ;)

[SLC Flyfishing]

We allow fewer PPG.

As you should against the complete lack of quality in your conference. Again I'll point out that the team USC lost to, Utah held to basically the same number of points, but managed to score more points against. And it was a week after the fact, with a very fired up Oregon State team.

Man I hate USC and the superiority complex of their fans.

SLC

[dmr727]

Man I hate USC and the superiority complex of their fans.


It's an image thing. They don't care about the football - they just want something that makes them look good. Look at their attendance figures during the down years - you'll see what I mean. It's all image and no substance.

I try not to blame them too much - I'd probably be the same way if mommy and daddy bought my degree and sent me off in a BMW too. :p

[evilgEEk]

I think there are two reasons USC is so highly ranked. I believe the first reason is USC's consistency of having successful seasons, and the second is them hammering Ohio State which seems to have finally come out of its shell. Every game that Ohio wins helps USC.

I hate USC and yes I do think that right now the Utes would hand them their hats on the field. Perhaps we'll get a match up in the BCS this year.

Hey, I'm a Utah fan behind Boise State, but I think that statement is laughable. Heh heh. Whether you hate USC or not there is no denying that they have a LOT of talent on their football team.

To say Utah would beat USC simply because Utah beat Oregon State at home is ridiculous. Oregon State was SO much more pumped for USC than for Utah, you could tell just by watching the game. USC had the worst game of their season versus Oregon State. Utah's best road win was by two points over a rebuilding 2-5 Michigan team.

I dunno, I'm all for the positive thinking for your team, but we need to be realistic too.

If Utah gets past both TCU and BYU (playing at home helps a ton), then they absolutely deserve to get that BCS bid, and you can be sure that I'll be cheering for them regardless of who they play. :)

[Badandy]

Well badandy, I have to say that it's only the fans of USC that I've seen lauding their team.
Everyone else seems to think they're very much overrated.

Or it's the NFL scouts who consistently pick Trojan players high in the draft every year. Or it's the teams we crush in BCS bowls. Just because we are the media darling does NOT mean we're overrated. That's been said for the past six years. And guess what's happened? A 5-1 BCS bowl game record.

You know, there's a reason LSU, despite all their big SEC talk and Pac 10 bashing, refused to play us.

Out here the talk of the town is how crappy the Pac 10 is, the Mountain West (a supposedly inferior conference) went 6 and 1 against the Pac 10 this year.

You think I give a rat's bum about how good or bad you think the Pac 10 is? People recognize talent when they see it.

There were rumblings about Utah seceding from the MWC and joining up with the Pac, but nobody even wants to consider that option anymore, the Pac just wouldn't show our relative strength like the MWC does lately. We've got 3 top 25 BCS teams, how many does the Pac 10 have?

Oh give me a break. We have one bad year and everyone jumps on the Pac 10. Last I remember, Oregon would have made (and probably won) the BCS championship game last year had Dennis Dixon (a legitimate Heisman contender) not injured his knee.

And let me tell you, the USC rating is crap and even you know it. Look what happened to BYU, they lose to a team that is ranked in the top 15 in the BCS polls and who would rock any team in the Pac (yes even USC) and they go from #9 to #21.

Laughable.

I hate USC and yes I do think that right now the Utes would hand them their hats on the field.

Keep the hate coming, but people in your own conference know what's best for them.

Perhaps we'll get a match up in the BCS this year.

Perhaps, and if you do really well and continue to do really well by getting BCS games for six years and performing outstandingly in all of them, you'll get the benefit of the doubt in the future when flukes happen or when you're being compared against other teams with similar numbers of losses.


That's the only game the media could even consider a test as the rest of your schedule is full of cupcakes.

Does that make us any worse? Again, Kobe Bryant playing high schoolers doesn't make him any less "Kobe".


Especially since everyone knows that as soon as USC has a down year, they'll all completely disappear. ;)

Look at the once proud franchises like the Celtics and Lakers. Until both of them started doing well in the last year or two, their attendances were down. Boston Celtics fans are some of the most bandwagon fans I've ever seen. Unlike you, however, I will mention that the bandwagoning applies to some of the fans, not all. It's the same at USC.



Man I hate USC and the superiority complex of their fans.

It's not a complex if you really are superior.


I try not to blame them too much - I'd probably be the same way if mommy and daddy bought my degree and sent me off in a BMW too. :p

I think you're a little ticked off that USC is more academically prestigious than Texas. It's alright, we all can't get into USC.

I think there are two reasons USC is so highly ranked. I believe the first reason is USC's consistency of having successful seasons[quote]

Bingo.

[quote]Hey, I'm a Utah fan behind Boise State, but I think that statement is laughable. Heh heh. Whether you hate USC or not there is no denying that they have a LOT of talent on their football team.

It is laughable. And I like both Utah and Boise State.

To say Utah would beat USC simply because Utah beat Oregon State at home is ridiculous.

It's not only ridiculous, it's indicative of someone who doesn't really know sports. Hey, the Atlanta Hawks beat the Spurs last year in the NBA. Since the Toronto Raptors beat the Hawks, I bet they're better than the Spurs!!!111one :rolleyes:

[dmr727]

LOL - Badandy, I'm sorry man. You're just too funny. For most college football fans, it's fun to talk smack because people are proud of their schools, and we can go back and forth all day long with smiles on our faces. It's all good natured. But it's not every day that I run into someone that completely epitomizes the smack that I'm spewing. I'm pretty sure that's your intent though - I find it hard to believe that you're truly serious about a lot of what you're typing.

[RamblinWreck]

Does that make us any worse? Again, Kobe Bryant playing high schoolers doesn't make him any less "Kobe".

....except Kobe would probably beat the high school team. USC forgot that against Oregon State. :D

jk man

[dmr727]

I give USC's fans crap because they're the lamest in college athletics, but the team is still damned good. It's not their fault the Pac-10 is down this year. I do think they have the most athletic talent, but that doesn't necessarily equate to the best team. They're exciting to watch, and I don't blame the media for always being gaga over them.

They're going to need some help with an OU loss though. Either that or they'll need all three undefeated teams to lose. I just hope Texas doesn't contribute to that tomorrow against oSu. We're due for a bad game.

Of course I don't want the bad game to happen against Tech either. I'll never hear the end of it from Rodimus! :)

[evilgEEk]

I do think they have the most athletic talent, but that doesn't necessarily equate to the best team.

That is so true. :)

In my own neck of the woods; Boise handled San Jose fairly easily tonight 33-16. The hype leading up to this game was kind of weird, it was almost as if Boise was the underdog. Very odd, but we took care of business. Again our defense was stellar behind an inconsistent offense. The offense does seem to be getting better game-by-game, but I wish they would hurry up and finally click!

On another note... what's interesting to me is that the first BCS rankings have Boise at #12 with Utah at #11. The difference between the two spots is very minimal, but Utah had played two more games than Boise. So if Utah is #11 at 8-0 and Boise is #12 at 6-0, does that mean Boise's wins are worth more than Utah's?

With the win tonight I wonder if Boise jumps Utah in the polls on Sunday? Doubtful, but not out of the realm of possibilities.

[Badandy]

LOL - Badandy, I'm sorry man. You're just too funny.

Thanks.

But it's not every day that I run into someone that completely epitomizes the smack that I'm spewing. I'm pretty sure that's your intent though - I find it hard to believe that you're truly serious about a lot of what you're typing.

Mind quoting any one of my replies where I'm not serious? (no, seriously)
:cool:

[djohnson]

well I will be blunt. I hope and expect Texas Tech kick UT's ass on Nov 1st. I do want them to ruined UT chances because that means Tech is one step closer to being the Big 12 champion.

That and I just like to see the Raiders win.

Go Tech.

No question about Tech today. They showed up and manhandled Kansas pretty good. If they play like that next week against Texas, they will win. Texas today does not look like the #1 team in the nation.

[Rodimus Prime]

No question about Tech today. They showed up and manhandled Kansas pretty good. If they play like that next week against Texas, they will win. Texas today does not look like the #1 team in the nation.

I am glad I record the Tech vs Kanas game and started watching it 1/2 threw. It was a game worth skimming but not fun to watch. Only so much entertanment out of watching a slaughter like that.

Just watching Kanas fail time and time again to even make it across the 50 was sad.

As for UT vs OSU you need to remember OSU is a good team and clearly better than MU. OSU and Texas Tech quite often are under rated teams and this year clearly they are good. I expet to see Texas struggle in today and next week game. They will both be hard games for all teams involved.

Texas Tech has to face UT then OSU which will both be hard games.

[evilgEEk]

Texas definitely doesn't look as explosive offensively as last week, but I think a lot of that is due to OK State's defense.

I still think they look like a #1 team, and unless they have a major meltdown I say they'll be playing in Miami come January.

Georgia is handling LSU so far, which is great because I have an... acquaintance... who is unbearable when LSU is winning, so it's nice not having to listen to him. Heh heh.

EDIT: Well, McCoy just fumbled the ball with five minutes left in the game because apparently the guy thinks he's a running back. His team is up by four points on the ten yard line and he gives up the ball and three points because he won't get DOWN!

Fool.

Oh well, looks like they'll still pull it off because of a very poor coaching decision on fourth and seven. Should have taken a timeout instead of giving up the ball on downs. Sheesh.

[dmr727]

Well, we dodged a bullet. Ugly and full of mistakes, but a win is a win, and it was against a pretty damned good oSu team. But obviously we'll have to be a lot better against Tech or they'll beat the bajeezus out of us.

I don't disagree with our ranking in the sense that we probably have more quality wins than any of the other undefeated teams, but I really don't think we're genuinely a #1 squad. We just don't have that champion caliber D. We'll see though - that's why they play the games. :o

[evilgEEk]

The one thing that I'm worried about is if Colt McCoy doesn't start getting down at the end of his scrambles/runs he's going to get hurt.

Their ENTIRE offense is McCoy. If he goes down so does the team.

[CorvusCamenarum]

Just got back from watching UA-TN. Absolutely delicious, especially the cutaway shots to Fulmer hanging his head in shame and random UT fans that looked like they were about to cry, had fallen asleep, or were dressed up as empty seats.

Definitely good to see that the Tide remembered that they are in fact allowed to score points in the second half.

[Cave Man]

Top ten teams. Next week is the National Championship game, so after that we can all start watching basketball (where they know how to determine the real champion).

Pac 10 and Big Ten are pretender conferences. Everyone see how slow Penn State and Ohio State are?

1. Texas Tech
2. Texas
3. Alabama
4. Oklahoma State
5. Utah
6. Florida
7. Oklahoma
8. Georgia
9. Boise State
10. USC

[furcalchick]

Pac 10 and Big Ten are pretender conferences. Everyone see how slow Penn State and Ohio State are?

i was thinking about this over the past week or so if the mountain west conference could become one of the major conferences in the near future. i remember that someone suggested that the pac 10 and big 10 could decide to opt out of the next bcs contract and stick to their rose bowl tradition. if that happens, the players will not consider playing in the conference because they won't play in the national championship. less players go to the pac 10, and the mwc becomes an option for west coast players now, with it on the rise.

the other thing is that the mwc has it's games accessible nationally (at least on directv), while the pac-10 really does not. many of the pac 10's games are regional and on hard to find networks, so you don't really see them as much. they need a network or to get a contract with fox for a game of the week (like sec on cbs). it's something to think about.

[mikeyredk]

Pac 10 and Big Ten are pretender conferences. Everyone see how slow Penn State and Ohio State are?


Really big ten are pretenders tell that to the guy leading the Titans to there first 6-0 start in franchise history :rolleyes:

[rhett7660]

Top ten teams. Next week is the National Championship game, so after that we can all start watching basketball (where they know how to determine the real champion).

Pac 10 and Big Ten are pretender conferences. Everyone see how slow Penn State and Ohio State are?

1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Texas Tech
4. Oklahoma State
5. Utah
6. Florida
7. Oklahoma
8. Georgia
9. Boise State
10. USC

Fixed it for yeah! :p

[scotty96LSC]

Canes have won 3 straight. Things maybe coming together a little bit. Next few weeks will show us what they have left:
•@Virgina
•Virgina Tech
•@Georgia Tech
•@NC State

Side note. As much as I hate UT they really do look good. Colt McCoy has got to be ther front runner for the Heisman.

[evilgEEk]

1. Texas
2. Florida
3. Penn State
4. Alabama
5. Oklahoma
6. Georgia
7. Boise State
8. Texas Tech
9. USC
10. TCU

Fixed it for you again. :)

[SLC Flyfishing]

1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Penn State
4. Oklahoma State
5. Utah
6. Florida
7. Oklahoma
8. Georgia
9. Texas Tech
10. TCU

Fixed it for you a third time!

SLC

[evilgEEk]

Fixed it for you a fourth time!

SLC

Pssh...

That top ten is SO unrealistic...

;)

[CorvusCamenarum]

Here's the real one (link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex)):

1. Texas (65) 8-0 1,625
2. Alabama 8-0 1,542
3. Penn State 9-0 1,503
4. Oklahoma 7-1 1,361
5. Florida 6-1 1,337
6. Texas Tech 8-0 1,280
7. USC 6-1 1,234
8. Georgia 7-1 1,212
9. Oklahoma State 7-1 1,168
10. Utah 8-0 1,027

[evilgEEk]

That's the AP.

I'm (we're?) waiting for the BCS.

[CorvusCamenarum]

That's the AP.

I'm (we're?) waiting for the BCS.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/poll?poll=BCS It's Fox, so it's probably biased. ;)

1. Texas
2. Alabama
3. Penn State
4. Oklahoma
5. USC
6. Oklahoma State
7. Georgia
8. Texas Tech
9. Ohio State
10. Florida

[evilgEEk]

0 for 2

That's last week's ranking. :)

Here are this week's full BCS ranking:

BCS Standings
1. Texas 8-0
2. Alabama 8-0
3. Penn State 9-0
4. Oklahoma 7-1
5. USC 6-1
6. Georgia 7-1
7. Texas Tech 8-0
8. Florida 6-1
9. Oklahoma State 7-1
10. Utah 8-0
11. Boise State 7-0
12. Ohio State 7-2
13. TCU 8-1
14. Missouri 6-2
15. Florida State 6-1
16. Ball State 8-0
17. Minnesota 7-1
18. Tulsa 7-0
19. LSU 5-2
20. BYU 7-1
21. Michigan State 7-2
22. North Carolina 6-2
23. South Florida 6-2
24. Oregon 6-2
25. UConn 6-2

[iSaint]

A Penn State v Alabama title game matchup would bring back the old school!

[rhett7660]

0 for 2

That's last week's ranking. :)

Here are this week's full BCS ranking:

BCS Standings
1. Texas 8-0
2. Alabama 8-0
3. Penn State 9-0
4. Oklahoma 7-1
5. USC 6-1
6. Georgia 7-1
7. Texas Tech 8-0
8. Florida 6-1
9. Oklahoma State 7-1
10. Utah 8-0
11. Boise State 7-0
12. Ohio State 7-2
13. TCU 8-1
14. Missouri 6-2
15. Florida State 6-1
16. Ball State 8-0
17. Minnesota 7-1
18. Tulsa 7-0
19. LSU 5-2
20. BYU 7-1
21. Michigan State 7-2
22. North Carolina 6-2
23. South Florida 6-2
24. Oregon 6-2
25. UConn 6-2

Here is hoping a Alabama vs Texas for the BCS championship. Not counting my chickens just yet thou. Alabama has a few tough games left. The teams may not be high on the ranking, but they are tough teams against Alabama. Not that I don't like them or anything, but I am really surprised that LSU is still in the top 25.... I would of thought with the beating they took along with it being there second loss, they would be out. Very interesting.

[Cave Man]

Here are this week's full BCS ranking:

BCS Standings
3. Penn State 9-0
5. USC 6-1


What a joke. The BCS is for Big Cash System. No Big Ten team deserves to be in the top 10. Watching PSU/OSU was like watching two teams play on a field of molasses. And USC? Winning by 7 over AriWho? Pathetic. Simply pathetic.

[evilgEEk]

I would of thought with the beating they took along with it being there second loss, they would be out. Very interesting.

I think what with the handful of two-lossers in the 20-25 range their #19 spot is pretty fair.

Anyone watch Tulsa tonight? UCF could have pulled it off had they actually shown up in the second half. Heh heh.

As a Boise State fan I love that we're ranked so high, but I think there is just too much emphasis given to smaller teams that go undefeated, including Boise.

So let's look at the undefeated non-BCS teams...

#10 Utah, 8-0.
--Their only "quality" wins have come against a 2-6 Michigan team and a 4-3 Oregon State team whose only claim to fame was beating USC.

#11 Boise State, 7-0
--Their only "quality" win comes against a 6-2 Oregon team who has struggled at QB this year, and has finally climbed back in to the top 25 at #24. The defense is solid, but the offense has yet to find itself.

#13 TCU, 8-1
--Along with Texas they are the only team to hold Oklahoma to less than 45 points. Then they beat an over-hyped BYU team that had no place in the top ten.

#16 Ball State, 8-0
--The only team they have beaten with a winning record is Navy at 5-3.

#18 Tulsa, 7-0 (at time of rankings)
--No real "quality" victories, but their offense is VERY explosive. The question begs, is the offense truly great, or are the defenses they've faced lacking?

#20 BYU, 7-1
--Squeaked out a win over Washington, and then took care a few weaker teams before facing a good defense for the first time and getting dominated.

*************

So do any of these teams deserve their spots, or do we need to just forget about all these smaller schools and let the "big boys" get bigger?

[SLC Flyfishing]

#10 Utah, 8-0.
--Their only "quality" wins have come against a 2-6 Michigan team and a 4-3 Oregon State team whose only claim to fame was beating USC.


Surely, you recognize that you saying that those were their only two quality wins is purely a matter of opinion, right?

They've had a lot of quality wins this year, last weeks game was an incredible showing.

And they've got even more "quality wins" strung all through the month of November. New Mexico is this week, followed by TCU which is followed by San Diego State (which is no quality opponent) and then BYU. If the Utes can win all those games then yes I think they deserve a top 10 spot. It's not like this would be the first time, it happened for the Utes once or twice in the 90's as well.

Who does Boise State have left on their schedule, or for that matter, who have they even played thus far?

SLC

[rhett7660]

I think what with the handful of two-lossers in the 20-25 range their #19 spot is pretty fair.

I agree....... but I just want them out of the top 25. :D

[Badandy]

And USC? Winning by 7 over AriWho? Pathetic. Simply pathetic.

Bad offensive showing, but it's all about defense.

[evilgEEk]

...ridiculous rant...

Mercy, I wasn't attacking your precious Utah. Get over yourself. I mentioned Michigan and Oregon State because that's what I see nearly every Utah fan on espn.com mention every time their schedule comes in to question.

I was simply trying to make the point that none of the non-BCS teams really have any big wins over quality teams, and due to this do they really deserve their top spots?

Frankly I'm worried about what will happen if Boise does get in to a BCS bowl because their offense hasn't clicked all season. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year for Boise, so to see them so highly ranked is great but worrisome.

[SLC Flyfishing]

First off, I didn't take your comment as attacking Utah, second off, they aren't my "precious Utes" I'm just a student who attends there. I think it's you who needs to get over yourself, sometimes people in this life are going to disagree with you and you should get used to that.

I simply feel the need to point out the fact that the Utes have a descent schedule this year. Probably stronger than in 2004, and I think that any team that's able to stay undefeated should have a high ranking.

And if that's not good enough for you then visit the USA today BCS rankings site and note that even the computers have the Utes ranked at #7, and that's almost entirely based on strength of schedule vs wins/losses. Earlier on in the season, Utah had a majority of the preliminary computer rankings putting their schedule at #3 in the country. Now that they've spent a few weeks playing the patsy's in the MWC their ranking os still #7 in the computers. And 10 and 9 from the humans who's votes actually count. So yeah I'd say that they deserve their ranking until the season ends or a loss proves otherwise (hopefully the first option).

Looking into it, Boise State played a tough Oregon team and won, so their ranking is probably boosted quite a bit by that fact.

SLC

[evilgEEk]

Fair enough. Moving on.

I say it will be Texas and Florida in the NC.

Come on MacDawg, prove me wrong this weekend!

[MacDawg]

Fair enough. Moving on.

I say it will be Texas and Florida in the NC.

Come on MacDawg, prove me wrong this weekend!

I like the way the Dawgs match up against the Gators.
If we can slow down Percy Harvin we have a good shot.

If we do, we should be heavy favorites in the rest of our games until the SEC Championship game. The winner of this game no doubt wins the East. Alabama will likely win the West. I would like vindication for our one loss and I think the Dawgs would be better prepared this time around.

As far as the NC, I don't see a 1 loss team jumping an undefeated Penn State, although it could be justified. A one loss USC team probably is the first one in, right or wrong. If every one loses one, it could be USC and Texas, or Alabama unless their loss is the SEC Championship. I don't see Oklahoma making it if they are locked out of the Big 12 Championship. They will have the same trouble Georgia faced last year. Although it has been done in the past, I think last year's statement against UGA was pretty clear. It could set up to be jumble like last year. I don't think you will find many who would say Ohio State and LSU were the 2 best teams at the end of the year. I think there is a good argument that USC and UGA were.

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[djohnson]

The Big Game © is tomorrow and our campus is going crazy. There are about 500 RVs setup and thousands of students camping out near the stadium. ESPN is already here and people are patiently waiting to get their chance to be on TV tomorrow morning. Oh to be back in college... well, except for the classes and loans and ... never mind. I will be happy to sit in my chair in my house to watch tech beatup on Texas tomorrow night!

I think Tech will win by 21 points. Maybe more is they can knock down McCoy some and get him hurt. That guy just doesn't understand getting down when he is about to get hit. Tech has some big guys to hit him too. :D

[rhett7660]

The Big Game © is tomorrow and our campus is going crazy. There are about 500 RVs setup and thousands of students camping out near the stadium. ESPN is already here and people are patiently waiting to get their chance to be on TV tomorrow morning. Oh to be back in college... well, except for the classes and loans and ... never mind. I will be happy to sit in my chair in my house to watch tech beatup on Texas tomorrow night!

I think Tech will win by 21 points. Maybe more is they can knock down McCoy some and get him hurt. That guy just doesn't understand getting down when he is about to get hit. Tech has some big guys to hit him too. :D

Here is hoping you are right!!!!

[evilgEEk]

That guy just doesn't understand getting down when he is about to get hit.

You are SO right!

McCoy is Texas' offense. Him. If (when) he gets hurt because he can't get down it's going to destroy the team.

The guy needs to realize this and stop trying to get that extra yard.

It's like Pryor trying to go outside and getting the ball knocked out against Penn State last weekend. Your job is to make big plays through the air, not on the ground.

I still think Texas pulls this out out though, but it will definitely be close.

[djohnson]

If Texas wins, they will not be overrated in my mind and will deserve to be #1 in the nation. However, when they lose, they better drop out of the BCS chase and Tech better go to #1. Either way, it will be one of the best games this year.

[MacDawg]

Clearly the 2 big games today are
Georgia and Florida in Jacksonville
and Texas at Texas Tech

Both games have teams with high powered offenses

It should be fun
I like the Dawgs' chances, but you never know in these games
I hope the officials don't ticky-tack them to death over last year


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[RamblinWreck]

I like the Dawgs' chances, but you never know in these games


I think the Gators are still holding a grudge from UGA team coming out on the field last year. I think they will remember that and all of their jean shorts wearing fans will go home enjoying a close win today.
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Vegas has UGA as 5.5 pt underdogs....think that's a little much

[MacDawg]

I think the Gators are still holding a grudge from UGA team coming out on the field last year. I think they will remember that and all of their jean shorts wearing fans will go home enjoying a close win today.

Vegas has UGA as 5.5 pt underdogs....think that's a little much

They had 3 and a half quarters for revenge last year and couldn't hang

I think it will be a motivation initially, but once the game gets underway I think all of that will fade. It only becomes an issue if the Gators spank the Dawgs. Then everyone will say "see, told you so" but if the Dawgs win or if it is close, then it is a non issue in everyone's mind.

Edit: love the pic BTW

Your game today will be interesting... both programs trying to re-establish themselves

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[MacDawg]

Dawgs won't be able to beat the Gators AND the officials in this one

The personal foul on the interception was questionable, but Tebow's knee was clearly down short of the first down and they blatantly upheld the spot on the review. No excuse for that.

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[Cave Man]

Why inbreeding is bad.

I think the Gators are still holding a grudge from UGA team coming out on the field last year. I think they will remember that and all of their jean shorts wearing fans will go home enjoying a close win today.
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[MacDawg]

Well, we have inflicted enough wounds on ourself :(
The Gators didn't need the officials... although it did change the tone

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[Cave Man]

Clearly a down year for the SEC. Looks like the Big 12 is tops.

And don't forget tonight's NCAA Football Championship game between Texas and Texas Tech. After it, we can all start watching basketball...

[iSaint]

Clearly a down year for the SEC. Looks like the Big 12 is tops.

And don't forget tonight's NCAA Football Championship game between Texas and Texas Tech. After it, we can all start watching basketball...

The SEC beats up on each other every year. Florida and Alabama are still in the title game hunt. Texas Tech is a wanna be.

[dukebound85]

wow georgia is overrated. which is a bummer as I used to be a fan when i lived there growing up

i hope TT beats UT and I hope the NU-OU game is close with ideally a NU win


plus gotta root for my alma matter playing BYU. Hope CSU can knock them off here at home! Bummed I didnt get a ticket to that game

edit: heck yea with csu up 7-0!!!

[evilgEEk]

Georgia overrated? I don't think I would say that.

They just don't seem to be in the game today, and Florida has really stepped it up after the loss to Ole Miss.

[MacDawg]

wow georgia is overrated.

Maybe

Clearly they have self destructed
But games like this can get out of hand in a hurry
Especially with the officials early calls

The Dawgs will win out after this game and win their bowl game

11-2 will not satisfy all of the preseason hype, but will be pretty darn good
Losses to the East and West SEC Champs and maybe the NChamp

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[RamblinWreck]

Holy crap!!!!!

My Yellow Jackets just got lucky. FSU fumbles on the goalline going for the win!!

[MacDawg]

Holy crap!!!!!

My Yellow Jackets just got lucky. FSU fumbles on the goalline going for the win!!

Congrats!
Enjoy the win!

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[evilgEEk]

Wow, that BYU - Colorado St. game was quick!

According to ESPN GameCast it's already over. Heh heh.

[dukebound85]

Wow, that BYU - Colorado St. game was quick!

According to ESPN GameCast it's already over. Heh heh.

ha i saw that too! too bad its not and byu will probably end up beating us lol

[rhett7660]

Roll Tide Roll.....

:D

[dukebound85]

oh man, only 5min 30 sec into the game and ou is beating nebraska 28-0

what the hell

[rhett7660]

oh man, only 5min 30 sec into the game and ou is beating nebraska 28-0

what the hell


Ouch that is not good..........

On another note... anybody catching the game between the texans.... We might have an upset today!!!!!!

[MacNut]

What an ending in Texas.

Texas Tech 39 Texas 33

[djohnson]

Not a win by 21 points, but a last minute drive works for me! GO TECH!!! :D

[Rodimus Prime]

What an ending in Texas.

Texas Tech 39 Texas 33


I love watching Tech have to kick the ball off from their own end zone. That was a great game. My only problem with it was Texas Tech almost blew the game again in the 4th.

[shu82]

Roll Tide Roll.....

:D

Hell yea #1 tomorrow afternoon!

[MacNut]

2 unsportsman like calls on the crowd with 1 second to go.

[Cave Man]

Texas Tech is a wanna be.

Yeah, maybe you ought to stick to high school. Oh yeah, you follow the SEC. :rolleyes:

[djohnson]

I love watching Tech have to kick the ball off from their own end zone. That was a great game. My only problem with it was Texas Tech almost blew the game again in the 4th.

Yeah and the students almost blew it too. Stupid kids, get off my lawn field! :rolleyes:

[evilgEEk]

Wow, what an ending in Lubbock!

That was probably the best football game I've watched since the '07 Fiesta Bowl.

I thought for sure Texas sealed the deal.

I thought... "All they have to do is play some reasonable defense and the game's over."

And then... "INTERCEPTION! ...NO! HE DROPPED IT!"

And then... "All they have to do is knock down this pass and the games' over"

And then... "Okay, just pull him out of bounds and the game is most likely over..."

And then... "Holy crap!!!!"

That was a lot of fun to watch. :)

I do feel terrible for Texas' freshman safety Blake Gideon, the one who let the game-sealing interception drop right through his arms, literally. What a horrible feeling that must be. That was the game, and he let it go. Poor guy. :(

It will be very interesting to see how far Texas drops and how high Tech climbs on such a close game. I just can't see Texas dropping below 5th.

I can see it maybe looking like:

1. Alabama
2. Texas Tech
3. Penn State
4. Texas
5. Florida

I think Florida leaps past Oklahoma.

It's definitely getting crowded at the top, and with Penn's light schedule I can see them getting jumped. I just don't see Tech making such a huge jump to #1, although it's definitely possible.

Tomorrow is going to be very, very interesting.

[SactoGuy18]

Why do I have this feeling it will be Penn State versus the best one-loss team in the BCS Championship Game?

(I'd love to see Penn State versus Florida, though--at least Penn State won't s*** in such a game like what happened to Ohio State two years in a row.... :rolleyes: )

[MacDawg]

(I'd love to see Penn State versus Florida, though--at least Penn State won't s*** in such a game like what happened to Ohio State two years in a row.... :rolleyes: )

I wouldn't bet the farm on that one
Penn State hasn't seen anything like the speed Florida puts on the field

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[iSaint]

Yeah, maybe you ought to stick to high school. Oh yeah, you follow the SEC. :rolleyes:

I'll admit what I need to and ignore your smarmy remarks. :p

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[majordude]

I can see it maybe looking like:

1. Alabama
2. Texas Tech
3. Penn State
4. Texas
5. Florida


I think you are right. Who has the State Pen played to be at the top?

[dmr727]

Well crap. What a horrible Saturday night. I missed the game because I was at some hoity toity fondue restaurant with my wife and her friends, dropping three bills on a meal I could have prepared at home with twenty bucks worth of food from the grocery store. Not only that, but I later find out that my wife has been sleeping with my good friend's brother.

Okay, that last bit never happened, but after losing to Tech, especially in the manner in which we lost - it might as well have. :)

In all seriousness - congrats to Tech on a great game. As the cliche goes - defense wins championships, and our lack of a good defense finally bit us. It was bound to happen sooner or later.

Oh well - I was thinking this was a five loss team going into this season, so I'm still pretty happy with how well the team has been playing.

Anyway, congrats Rodimus! :)

[Cave Man]

I think you are right. Who has the State Pen played to be at the top?

Penn State shouldn't even be in the top ten since the Big Ten is such a mediocre conference. In the SEC or Big 12, they'd be a middle-of-the-pack team.

[MacDawg]

Originally Posted by evilgEEk
I can see it maybe looking like:

1. Alabama
2. Texas Tech
3. Penn State
4. Texas
5. Florida


Alabama - at LSU, Mississippi State, Auburn + SEC Championship with Florida
LSU will be interesting, and the Iron Bowl could be for Tuberville's job, though not likely
The SEC Championship will be a great game

Texas Tech - Oklahoma State, at Oklahoma, Baylor + Big 12 Championship (if they make it)
I see one loss at least in the back to back Oklahoma games

Penn State - at Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State
Easiest path of all the contenders by far, no conference championship to boot

Texas - Baylor, at Kansas, Texas A&M, + (possible Big 12 Championship game)
The worst is over for Texas, but they need help now

Florida - at Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Citadel, at Florida State, + SEC Championship game
South Carolina will be interesting with Spurrier and so will Florida State
The SEC Championship will be tough

I'll throw in the "other 2" as well

USC - Cal, at Stanford, Notre Dame, at UCLA
No conference championship game
Easy road

Oklahoma - at Texas A&M, Texas Tech, at Oklahoma State, + (possible Big 12 Championship game)
Tough road with a lot of football left

If I had to guess right now (with a lot of football left), I'd say...
A one loss Florida humbling an undefeated Penn State in the BCSNC
Makes me sick to my stomach :(

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[Cave Man]

If I had to guess right now (with a lot of football left), I'd say...
A one loss Florida humbling an undefeated Penn State in the BCSNC
Makes me sick to my stomach :(

Maybe next year you'll jump on the playoff bandwagon? It will take more poll shenanigans to keep PSU out of the "national championship" game, just like last year's shenanigans.

[MacDawg]

Maybe next year you'll jump on the playoff bandwagon?

Not opposed... just not sold

I just loathe the Gators :mad:

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[Cave Man]

The real nightmare for the BCS will be Alabama, Texas Tech and Penn State all finishing undefeated. Penn State will be out in that case. But the Big Ten won't complain too much, because if Penn State does play in the championship, it will, once again, expose how weak that conference is.

[MacDawg]

The real nightmare for the BCS will be Alabama, Texas Tech and Penn State all finishing undefeated. Penn State will be out in that case. But the Big Ten won't complain too much, because if Penn State does play in the championship, it will, once again, expose how weak that conference is.

I can't see them all 3 making it
Texas Tech has Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

Penn State... probably, unless they stumble with Michigan State
Alabama... maybe, but Florida will give them all they want, and LSU/Auburn can bite them

I think it will be an undefeated Penn State v. a one loss team
The debate will be over that one loss team
Arguably, there will be several one loss teams more deserving than Penn State



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[rhett7660]

Hell yea #1 tomorrow afternoon!

That is what I am talking about!!!!!

[MacDawg]

That is what I am talking about!!!!!

Careful what you wish for...

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[rhett7660]

Alabama... maybe, but Florida will give them all they want, and LSU/Auburn can bite them

I couldn't agree more. I have been saying this from day one when they moved up the polls. I was hoping for them to stay at the number two spot for just a wee bit longer. Take SOME of the pressure off. The Auburn game, if I remember correctly, we haven't won there or here in quite a few years.

The next few weeks will be very interesting!!!

Roll Tide Roll....

[MacDawg]

I couldn't agree more. I have been saying this from day one when they moved up the polls. I was hoping for them to stay at the number two spot for just a wee bit longer. Take SOME of the pressure off. The Auburn game, if I remember correctly, we haven't won there or here in quite a few years.

The next few weeks will be very interesting!!!

Roll Tide Roll....

Nothing can be taken for granted... not even the Auburn game

Ask Oklahoma when they ran into a mediocre Ok State team twice at the end of the year

Ask West Virginia when they laid the golden egg against Pitt last year

Ask USC when they crapped out against UCLA

The list is endless

Good luck my friend!

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[evilgEEk]

Well, we have one poll so far.


USA Today Poll
1. Alabama (40) 9-0 1,498
2. Penn State (14) 9-0 1,437
3. Texas Tech (6) 9-0 1,409
4. Oklahoma (1) 8-1 1,290
5. Florida 7-1 1,268
6. USC 7-1 1,232
7. Texas 8-1 1,227
8. Oklahoma State 8-1 1,066
9. Utah 9-0 1,018
10. Boise State 8-0 958
11. TCU 9-1 862
12. Ohio State 7-2 843
13. Missouri 7-2 794
14. Georgia 7-2 693
15. LSU 6-2 683

I don't think Texas should have fallen as far as it did. I also don't think it's right for them to drop 3 spots behind Oklahoma. Bizarre.

That's why it's always better to lose early.

[MacDawg]

Well, we have one poll so far.


USA Today Poll
1. Alabama (40) 9-0 1,498
2. Penn State (14) 9-0 1,437
3. Texas Tech (6) 9-0 1,409
4. Oklahoma (1) 8-1 1,290
5. Florida 7-1 1,268
6. USC 7-1 1,232
7. Texas 8-1 1,227
8. Oklahoma State 8-1 1,066
9. Utah 9-0 1,018
10. Boise State 8-0 958
11. TCU 9-1 862
12. Ohio State 7-2 843
13. Missouri 7-2 794
14. Georgia 7-2 693
15. LSU 6-2 683

I don't think Texas should have fallen as far as it did. I also don't think it's right for them to drop 3 spots behind Oklahoma. Bizarre.

That's why it's always better to lose early.

Yes... losing late is a bitch... unless you are LSU :(

Look at Boise, Utah and TCU :p
Don't think that will last for long though

Hoping the Dawgs can crack the Top 10 again before the end of the year
11-2 with a Bowl win and a Top 10 finish would be good

Fingers crossed that Stafford will come back for his Senior year... Moreno too
If they do... next year promises to be brighter

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[evilgEEk]

Here's the AP...

AP Top 25
1. Alabama (46) 9-0 1,600
2. Texas Tech (12) 9-0 1,528
3. Penn State (6) 9-0 1,525
4. Florida (1) 7-1 1,398
5. Texas 8-1 1,353
6. Oklahoma 8-1 1,324
7. USC 7-1 1,250
8. Oklahoma State 8-1 1,198
9. Boise State 8-0 1,030
10. Utah 9-0 1,028
11. TCU 9-1 958
12. Ohio State 7-2 898
13. Missouri 7-2 830
14. Georgia 7-2 808
15. LSU 6-2 746

I can see it maybe looking like:

1. Alabama
2. Texas Tech
3. Penn State
4. Texas
5. Florida

I was close!

Too bad the AP doesn't really mean anything because this makes a lot more sense to me.

[MacDawg]

Here's the AP...

AP Top 25
1. Alabama (46) 9-0 1,600
2. Texas Tech (12) 9-0 1,528
3. Penn State (6) 9-0 1,525
4. Florida (1) 7-1 1,398
5. Texas 8-1 1,353
6. Oklahoma 8-1 1,324
7. USC 7-1 1,250
8. Oklahoma State 8-1 1,198
9. Boise State 8-0 1,030
10. Utah 9-0 1,028
11. TCU 9-1 958
12. Ohio State 7-2 898
13. Missouri 7-2 830
14. Georgia 7-2 808
15. LSU 6-2 746


Interesting differences...
But the bottom line will be what the BCS poll says ;)

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[rhett7660]

Careful what you wish for...

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Come on big guy.. don't hold a grudge because we beat you this year... finally..... ;):D

Trust me I know what you mean....... trust me..... uggghhhhhhh I should be happy Bama is number one in most of the polls, but I have this nagging feeling it is a curse lol........

[evilgEEk]

Look at Boise, Utah and TCU :p
Don't think that will last for long though

No, definitely not. As a Boise fan I want Utah to beat TCU and then for BYU to beat Utah. :) But in reality I'm worried about Boise in a BCS game this year.

I honestly feel our D can hang with any team in the country, but our offense is still off. We do seem to be getting a little better with every game, but we're definitely not there yet. And we've also lost our fastest receiver to an "indefinite suspension". No one knows what he did. Stupid.

Lastly, our penalties are out of hand! We had three... THREE!!... offside penalties on kickoffs!! Who does that??? Crazy. 11 penalties all tolled against New Mexico State. Good thing they're so bad or it could have hurt us.

Hoping the Dawgs can crack the Top 10 again before the end of the year
11-2 with a Bowl win and a Top 10 finish would be good

Definitely doable with their remaining schedule. Obviously some more folks will have to lose above you. At least one is a definite, either Utah or TCU.

Fingers crossed that Stafford will come back for his Senior year... Moreno too
If they do... next year promises to be brighter

I can't blame the guys for wanting to move on to the NFL if they can, but it's so frustrating when they do! Boise lost some key leadership on the O-line to the draft last year. But, like I said, I can't blame the guy being as he now has a $15 million contract with Denver. Heh.

Interesting differences...
But the bottom line will be what the BCS poll says ;)

Absolutely. It's so hard to see USC up in the mix with all these teams when they haven't played anyone since Ohio State. I'm not saying they're not good, but they haven't been challenged.

[MacDawg]

Come on big guy.. don't hold a grudge because we beat you this year... finally..... ;):D

Trust me I know what you mean....... trust me..... uggghhhhhhh I should be happy Bama is number one in most of the polls, but I have this nagging feeling it is a curse lol........

I'm rooting for you guys... and I want you to kick some Gator tail in the SEC Championship game, but it is going to be tough for you.

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[dukebound85]

i love how ou falls 2 spots when they manhandled nebraska and have DOMINATED for the second straight week

and no im not a sooners fan

[MacDawg]

i love how ou falls 2 spots when they manhandled nebraska and have DOMINATED for the second straight week

and no im not a sooners fan

Gotta make room for Texas Tech beating #1 Texas
Something the Sooners couldn't do

And they have to step aside for those darn Gators :(
After all... they have Tebow :rolleyes:

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[majordude]

Too bad the AP doesn't really mean anything because this makes a lot more sense to me.

I think it's too early to leapfrog State Pen (but when one of the other teams plays and win their division championship the jump would be justified... plus that will give their conference a cause and effect wake-up call).

[evilgEEk]

i love how ou falls 2 spots when they manhandled nebraska and have DOMINATED for the second straight week

and no im not a sooners fan

I think it makes sense. OU played an unranked Nebraska team, whereas Texas Tech and Florida passed them up by taking care of business against top ten teams.

[MacDawg]

I think it's too early to leapfrog State Pen (but when one of the other teams plays and win their division championship the jump would be justified... plus that will give their conference a cause and effect wake-up call).

Don't see it happening my friend
Jo Pa is gonna get too much love in the human polls

Just look how it was manipulated last year with LSU

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[dukebound85]

I think it makes sense. OU played an unranked Nebraska team, whereas Texas Tech and Florida passed them up by taking care of business against top ten teams.

well yea i agree to an extent but tell me what ou could have done better?

[MacDawg]

well yea i agree to an extent but tell me what ou could have done better?

It isn't about what they could have done better... it is the schedule, it is perception

Look at how the Dawgs fell in the last BCS poll last year and LSU ran to #2 from #7 (as I recall)

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[dukebound85]

Gotta make room for Texas Tech beating #1 Texas
Something the Sooners couldn't do

And they have to step aside for those darn Gators :(
After all... they have Tebow :rolleyes:

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yea but i dont think TT shoudl have jumped to 2nd

it should be

1) Alabama
2)Penn St
3) OU
4)Florida
5) TT
6) Texas

yes, OU above UT. late season losses dont help them. if we play the UT beat OU who beat so and so game to determine rankings, its stupid

[evilgEEk]

well yea i agree to an extent but tell me what ou could have done better?

Oh, I absolutely agree. OU dominated. But they were a victim to their schedule.

It's okay though, they'll have a chance to make one more statement before the end of the regular season.

Texas Tech is going to have a hard time of it now that they've knocked off Texas. They have to deal with the State of Oklahoma for the next two weeks. Heh heh.

It will be interesting to see if Tech can hang on with this schedule. I think Texas handled themselves extremely well with Mizzou/OK State/Tech. We'll see if Tech can handle their three-game series better.

I see Tech falling to Oklahoma in two weeks.

[dukebound85]

It isn't about what they could have done better... it is the schedule, it is perception

Look at how the Dawgs fell in the last BCS poll last year and LSU ran to #2 from #7 (as I recall)

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i know but seriously

55pts at HALF against KSU

than 28-0 after 5 and a half min into the game against NEB

then before that, killing then #16 KU

I think they have held their own very well after losing to UT by 10


I will predict right now that OU will beat TT in 2 weeks in Norman. mark my words

[MacDawg]

We'll see if Tech can handle their three-game series better.

I see Tech falling to Oklahoma in two weeks.

Agreed

I don't see Tech making it through without a loss

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[evilgEEk]

Yeah, last season's LSU was inexplicable.

This year has definitely been crazy, but there seems to be a bit more normalcy and common sense in the polls so far this season.

Not that I didn't enjoy Georgia putting June Jones and the Rainbows in their place last year, but the Dawgs definitely deserved more.

[Rodimus Prime]

Oh, I absolutely agree. OU dominated. But they were a victim to their schedule.

It's okay though, they'll have a chance to make one more statement before the end of the regular season.

Texas Tech is going to have a hard time of it now that they've knocked off Texas. They have to deal with the State of Oklahoma for the next two weeks. Heh heh.

It will be interesting to see if Tech can hang on with this schedule. I think Texas handled themselves extremely well with Mizzou/OK State/Tech. We'll see if Tech can handle their three-game series better.

I see Tech falling to Oklahoma in two weeks.

The winner of the big 12 Champain ship will be who ever wins between Oklahoma and Texas Tech. Reason being is if Oklahoma wins they will match Texas's Record and they will have the points spreads on the other games to win the big 12 south.

If Texas Tech they will take it. I see OSU losing to OU. So the out come between Texas Tech and OSU is not going to matter. Mind you I bet it will be Texas Tech since history shows between OSU and Tech it who ever is at home wins.

[dukebound85]

The winner of the big 12 Champain ship will be who ever wins between Oklahoma and Texas Tech. Reason being is if Oklahoma wins they will match Texas's Record and they will have the points spreads on the other games to win the big 12 south.

If Texas Tech they will take it. I see OSU losing to OU. So the out come between Texas Tech and OSU is not going to matter. Mind you I bet it will be Texas Tech since history shows between OSU and Tech it who ever is at home wins.

if UT and OU are in position to win the south with identical records, UT will take it due to tie breaker...

[MacDawg]

There is too much Big 12 South football to play for me to try and untangle that mess... but head to head will definitely be a factor

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[djohnson]

TTU beat OU last year, ending their chance for the year. This year they play in Norman and it will be a beast of a game. I think that it will be a better game than the game last night. I call it a very even matchup and will be a really good game. Tech wins by a slim margin, unless Charbonnet and McBath have a few picks. (they each have 5 on the year)

Oh and that is in 3 weeks. Tech has OSU, bye, at OU, Baylor. If they run the table, which they very well may, then they will be in the championship game come Jan 8. Probably against Alabama, unless they lose to Florida/LSU.

[MacDawg]

If they run the table, which they very well may, then they will be in the championship game come Jan 8. Probably against Alabama, unless they lose to Florida/LSU.

Not so fast my friend... what about that 600 pound gorilla Penn State that is sitting in the corner and likely going to go undefeated

I can't think of a bigger nightmare for the BCS and TV ratings than to have Penn State and Texas Tech in the BCS NC

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[djohnson]

Not so fast my friend... what about that 600 pound gorilla Penn State that is sitting in the corner and likely going to go undefeated

I can't think of a bigger nightmare for the BCS and TV ratings than to have Penn State and Texas Tech in the BCS NC

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It isn't about what they could have done better... it is the schedule, it is perception

Penn State will not be an issue due to their schedule vs Alabama's and Tech's. They are and probably will sit at the #3 position. Then again, we have had 3 teams ranked #1 lose this year. USC, OU, and now Texas. Hopefully Alabama wont be the fourth!

[Rodimus Prime]

if UT and OU are in position to win the south with identical records, UT will take it due to tie breaker...

Minus the fact it would be a 3 way tie. Which is why OU would take it.

[MacDawg]

Minus the fact it would be a 3 way tie. Which is why OU would take it.

The Big 12 South is definitely going to be interesting

The SEC will be Alabama and Florida unless something really bizarre happens

Nobody really cares what the ACC will do ;)

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[rhett7660]

Absolutely. It's so hard to see USC up in the mix with all these teams when they haven't played anyone since Ohio State. I'm not saying they're not good, but they haven't been challenged.

Couldn't agree more.

[RamblinWreck]

Nobody really cares what the ACC will do ;)


Hmmm....I wonder who that comment was directed to? :rolleyes:

Honestly sorting out the mess in the ACC Coastal Division is going to be interesting for the next few weeks. It's a clusterf*ck right now.

[iSaint]

Alabama vs. Penn State in the BCS Championship game. Both will win out. TT will lose soon. I wish Alabama could meet up with TT. An SEC defense is something to fear.

[Cave Man]

Alabama vs. Penn State in the BCS Championship game.

If so, then once again the SEC will be handed a gift and the Big Ten will be exposed as the phony conference that it is. The press and coaches aren't too smart as a group, that's for sure. Yet they effectively are who decide which teams get to play.

[MacDawg]

If so, then once again the SEC will be handed a gift and the Big Ten will be exposed as the phony conference that it is. The press and coaches aren't too smart as a group, that's for sure. Yet they effectively are who decide which teams get to play.

If they are the only 2 undefeateds left, then it probably should be them
If there is only 1 or 0 undefeateds... or 3, then there will be controversy for sure

I am not sure 'Bama can take down the Gators in the Championship game

But I agree... an SEC / Big 10 championship leaves much to be desired

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[evilgEEk]

The way Florida has been playing I just don't see Alabama in the Title Game.

Is Penn State really a better team than Texas or Texas Tech? Or even Oklahoma?

Personally I don't think so.

That said, if Penn wins out I think they will be in the Title Game, but I think the Big Ten lays an egg in the Title Game for the second year running.

[MacDawg]

That said, if Penn wins out I think they will be in the Title Game, but I think the Big Ten lays an egg in the Title Game for the second third year running.

Fixed that for you

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[Cave Man]

If you look at all 10 of the BCS championship games, 5 of them were blow-outs. This BCS crap simply is not working.

[MacDawg]

If you look at all 10 of the BCS championship games, 5 of them were blow-outs. This BCS crap simply is not working.

Have you checked out the SuperBowls?
They have a playoff last I looked

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[Cave Man]

Have you checked out the SuperBowls?
They have a playoff last I looked

Not quite the rate, but at least all those teams that lost had a chance to win.

[MacDawg]

Not quite the rate, but at least all those teams that lost had a chance to win.

My Dawgs had a chance too... but they laid an egg the first half against 'Bama
and the second half against the Gators

So did everybody else

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