2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

[twoodcc]

not looking good for BAMA. they better start playing better. they should just throw it to Julio

[MacDawg]

I respect that.

14-0

They are in danger of unraveling... this looks like the Georgia game
Only the Tide was on the giving end instead of the receiving end in that game

Kudos to the Utes... they came ready to play
They are prepared, and they are confusing the defense

Although... JPWilson has missed a few open receivers already
The pass to JJones had six written all over it... wide open

They just need to settle down and play and not panic
If they don't... if they pack it in... it will get ugly
Saban won't be happy about that

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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Utah has more sacks then TD's!

[twoodcc]

They are in danger of unraveling... this looks like the Georgia game
Only the Tide was on the giving end instead of the receiving end in that game

Kudos to the Utes... they came ready to play
They are prepared, and they are confusing the defense

Although... JPWilson has missed a few open receivers already
The pass to JJones had six written all over it... wide open

They just need to settle down and play and not panic
If they don't... if they pack it in... it will get ugly
Saban won't be happy about that

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still not looking good. their defense better stand up here

[dmr727]

still not looking good. their defense better stand up here

It didn't. :(

[MacDawg]

still not looking good. their defense better stand up here

21-0

Bama should be embarrassed :o
They better start playing for pride if nothing else

Kudos to the Utes... they are pouring it on

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[twoodcc]

21-0

Bama should be embarrassed :o
They better start playing for pride if nothing else

Kudos to the Utes... they are pouring it on

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it's only getting worse for BAMA

[dukebound85]

way to end the quater Utah with that brutal sack!

[P-Worm]

Another sack baby! My Utes are bringing the hurt!

P-Worm

[evilgEEk]

Holy crap!!!

I just got home and turned on the game... 21-0!!!!

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! The only "real 12-0" team is getting their arses HANDED to them by a team from the lowly Mountain West.

Ha ha ha!

GO UTES!!!!

:D:D:D

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

The SEC does look big and bad

[iDAG]

With the way that Utah is killing Alabama, I think they should have got a shot at the title game. They are doing better against them than Flordia did! :eek:

Edit: 52 yard field goal by Alabama, 21-3 Utah

[dukebound85]

if Utah keeps this up, I think they should be considered for a split title

[MacDawg]

it's only getting worse for BAMA

I wish they had played like this against the Dawgs :(

I know, I know... the Dawgs should have played like the Utes ;)

I am mildly surprised, but there is always the possibility of this kind of let down
Bama's bowl game was the SEC championship
This game was a no win situation for them
Same as the Dawgs last year with Hawaii... but the Dawgs delivered

I would hate it if I was a Bama fan and paid good money to travel to the Sugar Bowl :rolleyes:

Bama gets on the board!
But they need TD's not field goals

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[twoodcc]

well BAMA is on the board. maybe the second quarter will go better for them

[MacDawg]

With the way that Utah is killing Alabama, I think they should have got a shot at the title game. They are doing better against them than Flordia did! :eek:

if Utah keeps this up, I think they should be considered for a split title

The SEC does look big and bad

OK guys... lets not get carried away here :p


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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

well BAMA is on the board. maybe the second quarter will go better for them

or worse

[MacDawg]

Taking a while to adjust to the "no huddle" that Utah is running

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[iDAG]

Taking a while to adjust to the "no huddle" that Utah is running

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They just made Utah punt for the first time tonight...

[twoodcc]

or worse

well so far the 2nd quarter has been much better for BAMA than the 1st

[dmr727]

Yeah, it looks like Bama is settling in. This could turn into a good one.

[evilgEEk]

Beating Alabama in no way means Utah automatically deserves a shot at the Title.

I hate it when non-BCS people do this (including a lot of Boise fans in '07).

Just because we have a great showing in a BCS bowl doesn't mean we deserve a shot at the Title.


WOW! Great coverage downfield by Utah!!! Beautiful!

[twoodcc]

Yeah, it looks like Bama is settling in. This could turn into a good one.

lets hope so

[twoodcc]

WOW! Great coverage downfield by Utah!!! Beautiful!

i'm sorry, but that was pass interference. Utah got the call on a similar play

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

bama can't even make field goals in a dome :rolleyes:

[dukebound85]

Beating Alabama in no way means Utah automatically deserves a shot at the Title.

I hate it when non-BCS people do this (including a lot of Boise fans in '07).

Just because we have a great showing in a BCS bowl doesn't mean we deserve a shot at the Title.


WOW! Great coverage downfield by Utah!!! Beautiful!

so in other words, a non-bcs school has no shot at all to be considered for a title even if they might end up dominating a legit team that was ranked #1 over most of the year

tell me, is there ever a scenario for a non bcs school to be considered as the champion?

[iDAG]

Missed field goal by Alabama. Still 21-3 Utah. I'm impressed. :cool:

[evilgEEk]

i'm sorry, but that was pass interference. Utah got the call on a similar play

I disagree. Of course if Utah got a similar call earlier (I just barely tuned in) then they need to be consistent. But I still don't think that was PI. I think it was just great coverage.

'Bama gets another FG. If they can keep holding Utah to 3-n-outs then they might just catch up by the end of the game. ;)

[MacDawg]

tell me, is there ever a scenario for a non bcs school to be considered as the champion?

Probably not ;)

At the end of the day... Utah is a non-BCS MWC team :p
Sucks doesn't it

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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Probably not ;)

At the end of the day... Utah is a non-BCS MWC team :p
Sucks doesn't it

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What sucks is the whole BCS. I maintain the Utah could have gone 12-0 in the Pac-10. Then where would we be?

[MacDawg]

What sucks is the whole BCS. I maintain the Utah could have gone 12-0 in the Pac-10. Then where would we be?

Then join the Pac 10
But I don't think you beat USC anyway

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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Then join the Pac 10
But I don't think you beat USC anyway

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and you thought bama would destroy Utah

[dukebound85]

Then join the Pac 10
But I don't think you beat USC anyway

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the "i dont think" was also applied to Utah knocking off Alabama or even competitng lol

if i remember isnt the MWC record vs the Pac-10 like 6-2 or something on the season?

[evilgEEk]

Yeah... you can't let that happen, Utah.

[dmr727]

Ooooh...down to 11 points.

[MacDawg]

and you thought bama would destroy Utah

Did you see the punt return or were you too busy counting your chickens before they hatched??

If you read all my posts, I said it would be a good game
I never said they would destroy them unless I was trash talking

This game is FAR from over my friend

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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Did you see the punt return or were you too busy counting your chickens before they hatched??

If you read all my posts, I said it would be a good game
I never said they would destroy them unless I was trash talking

This game is FAR from over my friend

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I know it is but obviously Utah is not going to get destroyed. I am glad they finally did something. When they move the ball on offense, I'll be worried.

[evilgEEk]

I know it is but obviously Utah is not going to get destroyed. I am glad they finally did something. When they move the ball on offense, I'll be worried.

Honestly I think you should be more worried about Utah not moving the ball on offense anymore.

Maybe I shouldn't have turned on the game.. heh.. I've jinxed them!

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Awe man, that shift looked good to me. Moose explained it well though.

[evilgEEk]

so in other words, a non-bcs school has no shot at all to be considered for a title even if they might end up dominating a legit team that was ranked #1 over most of the year

tell me, is there ever a scenario for a non bcs school to be considered as the champion?

Nope. There just isn't. Not unless the particular conference has a great year (like MWC did this year) and they play top 25 teams in OOC play.


EDIT: Okay, I'm seriously turning off the game. Hopefully that will help get Utah back in the game. ;)

Go Utes!!

[dmr727]

Man, there's a lot of pushing and shoving out there. I love it!

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Man, there's a lot of pushing and shoving out there. I love it!

This is a manhood game! A lot of hard hits, and I love it!

[twoodcc]

I disagree. Of course if Utah got a similar call earlier (I just barely tuned in) then they need to be consistent. But I still don't think that was PI. I think it was just great coverage.

'Bama gets another FG. If they can keep holding Utah to 3-n-outs then they might just catch up by the end of the game. ;)

exactly. there was a call against BAMA that was not PI. they should be consistent with the calls, and they are not

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Coach Jimmy Johnson just said to give the MWC a BCS bid and to split the title. I love that too!

I am disappointed in the special teams lapse, and I'm looking for a Utah TD on their first 2nd half possession.

[MacDawg]

Coach Jimmy Johnson just said to give the MWC a BCS bid and to split the title. I love that too!


I hate the bowls being on Fox
NFL commentators should NOT be doing the analysis for college games

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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

I hate the bowls being on Fox
NFL commentators should NOT be doing the analysis for college games

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Ummm, I think Jimmy won a college championship. You should know that, he won in one of the "big" conferences.

[Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by iDAG
With the way that Utah is killing Alabama, I think they should have got a shot at the title game. They are doing better against them than Flordia did!

Originally Posted by dukebound85
if Utah keeps this up, I think they should be considered for a split title

If by "Utah keeps this up" you mean for the next three or four seasons, then yes, I think you'd be right. Until then, there just aren't enough voters that are going to give them enough credit to be a National Championship contender.

[MacDawg]

Ummm, I think Jimmy won a college championship. You should know that, he won in one of the "big" conferences.

Oh pu-leeze

These are the "NFL show guys" now and have been for years :rolleyes:

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[Tomorrow]

I hate the bowls being on Fox
NFL commentators should NOT be doing the analysis for college games


I don't know - Jimmy Johnson (IMHO) made a much bigger name for himself coaching in college than in the NFL, and Switzer is a college coaching legend. I'd say they're more than qualified to do college football analysis.

What I think is ironic is that Johnson was a big rival of Switzer's when they were at OSU/Miami and OU, respectively. Made even more interesting when Switzer succeeded Johnson in Dallas.

[MacDawg]

Turnover :)

Being reviewed

Confirmed

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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Let's see if they can get more than 3

[MacDawg]

I don't know - Jimmy Johnson (IMHO) made a much bigger name for himself coaching in college than in the NFL, and Switzer is a college coaching legend. I'd say they're more than qualified to do college football analysis.


Ha, ha... they have been doing the NFL for YEARS now
They aren't spending their time keeping up with these college teams
Yes, they were college
Yes, they were successful
But they are NFL guys now

And even though JJ was successful in college... his legacy is the Cowboys and 2 Superbowls far more than what he did at Miami

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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Let's see if they can get more than 3

Awe, shoot!

[MacDawg]

Still excited Ute fans?

Counting chickens before they hatch?

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/chickens_hatch.jpg


Not a good start to the 2nd half for the Utes
Bama weathered the storm of a quick 21-0 start
But the game is 4 quarters

Lot of football left to play


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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Still excited Ute fans?

Counting chickens before they hatch?

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/chickens_hatch.jpg


Not a good start to the 2nd half for the Utes
Bama weathered the storm of a quick 21-0 start
But the game is 4 quarters

Lot of football left to play


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Awe, so you are a smack talker? I just have confidence in my team.

I am wondering why they aren't using the no huddle as much???

I know there is a lot of the game left, but you were giving Utah kudos too!

[donga]

another ute touchdown... turning out to be a good game

[MacDawg]

Good answer by the Utes

Lets see how Bama responds now

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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Momentum is back baby!

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

I did not want to keep posting one after another but, I was going to say Glen Coffee is getting bama back in the game all by himself.

Sad to see him hurt...I hope he returns.

[donga]

yeah, they were hurtin on that last drive after coffee went down. they obviously can't rely on their kicker (can't make field goals in a dome?). hopefully he'll be back/okay

[MacDawg]

yeah, they were hurtin on that last drive after coffee went down. they obviously can't rely on their kicker (can't make field goals in a dome?). hopefully he'll be back/okay

Gee, they were both like 46 and 47 yards
Yeah, makable, but hardly gimmees

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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Gee, they were both like 46 and 47 yards
Yeah, makable, but hardly gimmees

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A great school like bama should be able to recruit a kicker that can make field goals less than 50 yards in a dome

[MacDawg]

A great school like bama should be able to recruit a kicker that can make field goals less than 50 yards in a dome

Wow... tough crowd

The Tide has squandered every opportunity they have had to make this a game

They are running out of time now

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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Wow... tough crowd

The Tide has squandered every opportunity they have had to make this a game

They are running out of time now

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I was wondering where you were...damn, that "wildcat" was a good play. Too bad it did not work.

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

I hear Pac-man being eaten for the third time :p

[majordude]

Wow, great game... I thought Alabama would have won this easilly. But with about 6 to go the Utes are getting sloppy and can still lose this.

Oops, Alabama just fumbled!

Hell, and I thought the Cotton Bowl was good!

[dmr727]

Oooh! Trickery!

[MacDawg]

Utah has played a good game
They have played fairly even after the 21-0 blitz

I saw the Dawgs fall behind like that to West Virginia in the Sugar a few years ago (even worse)
They fought back and nearly won that game

Congrats to the Utes
(you don't deserve the NC, but it was a good game for you)

Saban will have a long off season to chew on this one
He will not let the Tide forget this embarrassment

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[majordude]

Ha ha ha! Nick Saben has been pissed off the entire game. He has that look of being on hold with customer service at DirecTV and not a damn thing he can do about it.

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Utah has played a good game
They have played fairly even after the 21-0 blitz

I saw the Dawgs fall behind like that to West Virginia in the Sugar a few years ago (even worse)
They fought back and nearly won that game

Congrats to the Utes
(you don't deserve the NC, but it was a good game for you)

Saban will have a long off season to chew on this one
He will not let the Tide forget this embarrassment

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I disagree, if Florida wins.... Utes deserve the title! They embarrassed alawho?


Sorry dog... looks like you lose.

[MacDawg]

I disagree, if Florida wins.... Utes do!

Sorry dog... looks like you lose.

Nope... I won... the Dawgs took care of Michigan State! ;)

I am not a Tide fan at all

I hate the Gators™

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[MacDawg]

Congrats to the Utes
You were better prepared and you wanted it more
Enjoy the bragging rights, you earned them... for now ;)

The Tide should be embarrassed
You wet the bed

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[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Nope... I won... the Dawgs took care of Michigan State! ;)

I am not a Tide fan at all

I hate the Gators™

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All I have read from you since I started reading this thread is that Utah could not win and that the MWC sucks. If you want me to go back and quote your posts I will. Your puppy dogs won a crappy bowl....good job! In that vain, Utah has the longest bowl winning streak in the country. Some of those were better bowl wins than, what was that bowl your team played in?

[MacDawg]

All I have read from you since I started reading this thread is that Utah could not win and that the MWC sucks. If you want me to go back and quote your posts I will. Your puppy dogs won a crappy bowl....good job! In that vain, Utah has the longest bowl winning streak in the country. Some of those, better bowl wins than, what was that bowl your team played in?

I won't even dignify that post with a response

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[majordude]

So how do 20,000 Utah fans celebrate a win? Split a beer?

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

I won't even dignify that post with a response

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That is what losers do

[obey908]

all i can say is wow. i honestly thought utah had no chance, but damnnnnnnn

alabama's defense got torn a new one

but utah still can't be considered the best team in the country

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

So how do 20,000 Utah fans celebrate a win? Split a beer?

Great joke!!! (seriously, thought it was funny)

With that, I am out of this thread. My team won a BCS Bowl and went undefeated. Who else can say that? I'm off to drink a 12 pack in celebration...

[dmr727]

So how do 20,000 Utah fans celebrate a win? Split a beer?

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Heh - that's the second time today I've used that pic!

[majordude]

Great joke!!! (seriously, thought it was funny)

Tee hee!

[rhett7660]

Wow... shocked................

Roll Tide... Well we did better then last year. Will be interesting to see how next year turns out.

[P-Worm]

Go Utes! 13-0 baby!

P-Worm

[obey908]

top 5?
1. florida
2. usc...gross
3. utah
4. texas
5. oklahoma

assuming florida and texas win

[donga]

is this more evidence for a playoff?

so many potential winners and we have to settle for our own what if scenarios... this is capitalism in action.

[MacDawg]

top 5?
1. florida
2. usc...gross
3. utah
4. texas
5. oklahoma

assuming florida and texas win

Here's hoping the Gators DON'T win...

But I think Utah has at least a shot at #2
But they could also be #4

is this more evidence for a playoff?


The reality of "no playoff" has nothing to do with a lack of evidence
It has everything to do with control, power and $$$$


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[obey908]

we all know how much the media loves USC though, thats why I have a feeling they will be #2

[MacDawg]

we all know how much the media loves USC though, thats why I have a feeling they will be #2

It is possible... entirely possible
I know Badandy feels like they should be #1 instead ;)
And they have their case... as does Texas... and yes, Utah :rolleyes:

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[donga]

The reality of "no playoff" has nothing to do with a lack of evidence
It has everything to do with control, power and $$$$

right, that's why i also pointed out that this is capitalism in action. and with espn outbidding fox for the bcs, it's goin straight to basic cable in its current form. no playoff til maybe way after that

[MacDawg]

right, that's why i also pointed out that this is capitalism in action. and with espn outbidding fox for the bcs, it's goin straight to basic cable in its current form. no playoff til maybe way after that

But isn't this much more fun? ;)

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[dmr727]

And they have their case... as does Texas...

We've got to win our game before I'm going to consider any hypotheticals that involve Texas. ;)

[MacDawg]

We've got to win our game before I'm going to consider any hypotheticals that involve Texas. ;)

Well, fortunately you are playing a Big 10 team and not someone from the MWC

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[Badandy]

No big surprise in this bowl (Alabama vs. Utah). Alabama did not deserve their number 4 ranking ahead of USC, and if we're going off of talent, they shouldn't be in the top 10. They played one good team all year (who they lost to) and really scraped by on games that should have been blowouts (LSU and Kentucky).

Congratulations to SLC Flyfishing and the Utes, it was a good win to cap off a perfect season. Definitely good for a top 5 finish in my book. How about we kick Washington State out of the Pac-10 and bring in Utah?

As for USC, we will most likely finish 2nd or 3rd. I can only hope for an absolutely horrific game by both Florida and Oklahoma (I'm predicting Florida by 14 by the way) that either gives USC a share of a title (unlikely) but at least causes more discussion for some type of playoff system. Honestly, we (USC) were absolutely screwed this year. We lose one away game early in the season to a team that turned out to be good but were never allowed to climb back in the rankings (despite our monstrous defense). We did all we could after that loss and I hoped it would be enough. With that said, here's our last 8 years. Mull over that. Oh, and to all the people who think we're nothing special year after year: stay awake to see more than one of our games per year.

Finishing Rank
2002: Top 5
2003: NC
2004: NC
2005: Top 5
2006: Top 5
2007: Top 5
2008: Top 5
2009: Top 5

Pretty good for 8 years, eh?

Happy New Year.

By the way, I hate the Gators too.

And obey, we're only good because the media loves us. Honest. :rolleyes:

[Rodimus Prime]

Sadly I am going to be rooting for OK in the NC and for Tulsa in their bowl game. Both those teams win I get 125 bucks. If Tulsa wins and OU loses wins I get 75 bucks. If just OU wins I MIGHT get 40 bucks.

Other wise I am out 10 bucks.

All in good fun for a little we are having at the office. It a lot of fun trying to pick the winners of the Bowl games. I mostly just pick the names at random.

[obey908]

oregon state is not good

[itcheroni]

Then join the Pac 10
But I don't think you beat USC anyway

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+1

No one can beat USC at this time, they can only beat themselves. I lived in Happy Valley the past two years and hated it, so it was so sweet watching them crush PSU. They should really consider getting a real coach instead of just keeping a figurehead. Oh, and get some players that can run fast, that might help. :)

[obey908]

or just a new secondary....

our offense was fine and would have been better if royster didn't get hurt after 6rushes with a 5.7 average

[Badandy]

or just a new secondary....

our offense was fine and would have been better if royster didn't get hurt after 6rushes with a 5.7 average

Our offense was fine and would have been better if McKnight didn't get hurt after 6 rushes with a 7.5 yard per carry season average.

[itcheroni]

or just a new secondary....

our offense was fine and would have been better if royster didn't get hurt after 6rushes with a 5.7 average

I don't know. They did better in the second half without him.

[obey908]

yeah but it's not like you guys lost your main running back. you had all 3 running backs with over 600 yards. losing royster made us lose our entire running game.

and you guys had a 1.7 average on the ground

[SLC Flyfishing]

Congrats to the Utes
(you don't deserve the NC, but it was a good game for you)

OK, I want to hear MacDawg's response to this, (and everyone else's too):

What sport (at any level of competition) besides college football, can a team go undefeated and not be champions?

The BCS blows a big one and the Utes are the legitimate 2008 season National Champs, there's not a valid argument that anyone can make against that!

SLC

GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dukebound85]

OK, I want to hear MacDawg's response to this, (and everyone else's too):

What sport (at any level of competition) besides college football, can a team go undefeated and not be champions?

The BCS blows a big one and the Utes are the legitimate 2008 season National Champs, there's not a valid argument that anyone can make against that!

SLC

GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

because they are from the crappy MWC duh;)

i agree with you. Utah should be named co-champs

They play quality teams in OoC play, have won BCS bowl in past. What more can they do to earn respect?

I think its sad at how the MWC is looked on. After watching CSU play throughout the years and multiple other MWC games, they are a good conference. They perform very well against the supposably "better" conferences and yet no credit is given. By credit, I mean merit to being considered a champion by going undefeated.

Heck even CSU (who sucked last year) almost upset Cal who was ranked #8 in Fort Collins last season. recap (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=272510036) for those interested

Point is, MWC teams are legit and not a fluke conference by any means. Time to be treated as such:cool:

[MacDawg]

OK, I want to hear MacDawg's response to this, (and everyone else's too):

What sport (at any level of competition) besides college football, can a team go undefeated and not be champions?

The BCS blows a big one and the Utes are the legitimate 2008 season National Champs, there's not a valid argument that anyone can make against that!


i agree with you. Utah should be named co-champs


The legitimate 2008 season National Champs? Hardly
You claim the Ute team that beat Pitt was the legitmate champs that year too

And Badandy claims the AP as a championship for his Trojans one year as well...

No, you can argue against the system, we all do (ain't it fun?)
I can say that Georgia was the legitimate NC last year too
"Everybody" knew USC and Georgia were the two best teams and should have played :rolleyes:
But it didn't happen that way

Like it or not (and we don't), but the BCS is the recognized system for determining the "legitimate" champion
That champion will be Oklahoma or Florida
The Utes might get #2, but more likely a #3 or #4
They had a great season, without question

Are they the best team in the country?
I don't think so, and neither does the majority of those with an opinion
That's why they didn't get the votes

Now, if we did have a playoff, would they win?
I doubt it, but you never know... I didn't think they would beat 'Bama
I don't think they would beat USC, Texas, Oklahoma, or Florida either
But they might, on any given Saturday

The point is... we DON'T have a playoff
We have the BCS
I am not defending the BCS, and I don't have the power to change it either
The bottom line? The BCS Champion will be either Oklahoma of Florida
Even if we had a "Plus 1", who would play the winner?
Utah? USC? Texas?

This is nothing new... You will have to join the great fraternity of those who mourn their team's fortunes, along with Badandy, Auburn a few years ago, and a host of other disappointed schools throughout history who feel they were jobbed. Heck, even before the BCS there were years when several teams went undefeated and only 1 was voted National Champs. I don't like the BCS any more than you do, but at least they TRY to get #1 and #2 together, unlike the pre-BCS days when #1 might play in the Sugar against #5 and #2 might play in the Orange against #4 and they never face each other. In those days it was a big deal to ever have a true #1 play a #2.

Would I like to see a playoff? Meh... doesn't matter... we aren't getting one

Congrats to the Utes on a great season
But I still think Oklahoma, Florida, USC and Texas are better teams this year
I know, I know... "we will never know because they didn't play on the field"
It is all opinion... and that is mine... and you have yours
If enough people shared yours and not mine... you would be in the NC game

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[SLC Flyfishing]

That is a Bull S%$# answer MacDawg and you know it.

Look at it this way!

Georgia goes undefeated in 2008, they beat Michigan (who's supposed to be a great opponent) they beat the #2 Pac 10 team, they beat a #11 team, they beat a #16 team that was #9 before a loss to the team who is #16 only because of a loss to the #1 team, then they beat everyone in the SEC (who in general is on the same level as the MWC and you know it).

They go undefeated, then they get Alabama in their bowl, and Bama has only one loss, and were #1 from the first BCS poll until their last game of the season.

So the Dawgs finish without a loss, should they be National Champions?

How can the Utes go undefeated, and not at least be in the game? You say they wouldn't beat Florida this year, well they put a pasting on Alabama in a much more convincing fashion than Florida did. I think Utah would beat Florida, and I think they could beat Oklahoma, Texas, and definitely would beat USC. I'm sorry but they are National Champions.

Isn't it ironic that it's the "BCS conferences" that are given the authority to keep this exclusionary system in place?

University of Utah is the 2008 NCAA football National Champion!

SLC

[SactoGuy18]

Would I like to see a playoff? Meh... doesn't matter... we aren't getting one


I think we will get one starting 2011 season, designed in a way to minimize interference with college exam finals (the biggest gripe by college presidents against a playoff).

I see it working like this:

1) Season starts on its current scheduled start dates.
2) Regular season will be eleven games long.
3) There will be NO rankings until last Saturday of September or first Saturday of October.
4) First BCS rankings come out two weeks after first rankings.
5) After 11 games, first and second ranked teams in conference (or conference division winners) play in conference championship games.
6) Top eight ranked teams will be picked out to play first elimination game regardless of if they won conference championship or not.
7) Matchups will be #1 vs. #8, #2 vs. #7, #3 vs. #6 and #4 vs #5, with the higher-ranked teams hosting the games. This will happen at the end of the first weekend in December.
8) On New Year's Day, the winners of these four games will be reseeded #1 to #4, with #1 vs #4 and #2 vs #3 in two BCS bowl games.
9) One week later, the winners of these two BCS bowl games play for the championship.

This is by far the best plan and offers these advantages:

1) It has no interference with college exam finals, as mentioned earlier.
2) It may even tilt the balance of power back to schools located in northern climates (who'd want to play at possibly Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Penn State or a northern-location Big East school in early December for the first elimination game if we have the potential for really bad winter weather?).

[Tomorrow]

What sport (at any level of competition) besides college football, can a team go undefeated and not be champions?


Boxing is a good analogy. You can be undefeated, but if the governing authority (such as the WBA, WBC, etc. - or the BCS in the case of college football) still doesn't deem you the top condender for the title, then you're not going to get your shot. Might be fair, might not, but that's how these things sometimes work.

Congrats to Utah, you guys were clearly the better team. I stand by one of my comments earlier; a few more seasons like this and it's entirely feasible that the Utes could find themselves in the NC picture for real.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Boxing is a good analogy. You can be undefeated, but if the governing authority (such as the WBA, WBC, etc. - or the BCS in the case of college football) still doesn't deem you the top condender for the title, then you're not going to get your shot. Might be fair, might not, but that's how these things sometimes work.

Congrats to Utah, you guys were clearly the better team. I stand by one of my comments earlier; a few more seasons like this and it's entirely feasible that the Utes could find themselves in the NC picture for real.

How many seasons is the right amount of seasons Tomorrow? How many seasons did Bama have to have before they were allowed into the BCS title picture? That's right they were in it from the beginning, I'm sorry but that's a crap analogy.

And if there were a boxer who beat 5 of the best boxers in the league you can bet your ass he'd be getting a shot at the title, nobody with an ounce of credibility could deny that to him.

SLC

[MacDawg]

University of Utah is the 2008 NCAA football National Champion!


Of course you are free to claim whatever you like...
But it simply doesn't make it so

After the 2004 season when USC won the BCS...
the same season you say Utah was National Champs the first time...
Auburn went undefeated and apparently even handed out National Championship rings (http://www.fanblogs.com/sec/004777.php)

Coach Tommy Tuberville confirmed that the Auburn Tigers players would get national championship rings for their 13-0 season, despite finishing the year #2 in the final 2004 AP poll and the final 2004 coaches polls.


I think we will get one starting 2011 season <snip>

Sounds nice... but I just don't see it happening
Things can change, but the way things are now... it doesn't look promising
Those who make the decisions have no appetite for it, regardless of what we say

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[P-Worm]

Any word on if iTunes is going to release the bowl games again for purchase? I want to keep the sugar bowl game around for years to come.

P-Worm

[MacDawg]

Finishing Rank
2002: Top 5
2003: NC Top 5
2004: NC
2005: Top 5
2006: Top 5
2007: Top 5
2008: Top 5
2009: Top 5


Fixed that for ya! ;)
We will have to wait and see about the 2009 season... that's next year

Pete Carroll's first year, in 2001, you went 6-6, finished 5th in the Pac 10, lost the Las Vegas Bowl, and didn't make the Top 25
In fact, from 1996-2001 you didn't make the Top 25 ;)

Make no mistake Badandy, the Trojans are a good team and a force to be reckoned with
I don't think anyone questions that... but they aren't the only good team
And they are not the only good team to be overlooked
Fans of other programs have the same gripes... even Utah ;)

That is what makes college football fun... the trash talking and the "what ifs"
We all love our teams and see them in the best light possible
And we can all find the weaknesses of others... and make our case

Here is the Dawgs record and standings (AP) from 1997-2008

Coach Richt
2008 10-3 Top 10? (maybe, but Top 15 at least)
2007 11-2 Top 5 (2)
2006 9-4 Top 25 (22)
2005 10-3 Top 10 (10)
2004 10-2 Top 10 (7)
2003 11-3 Top 10 (7)
2002 13-1 Top 5 (3)
2001 8-4 Top 25 (22)

Coach Donnan
2000 8-4 Top 20 (20)
1999 8-4 Top 20 (16)
1998 9-3 Top 20 (14)
1997 10-2 Top 10 (10)

6 of the last 7 seasons = 10 wins or better
6 of the last 7 seasons = Top 10 or better (if we make it this year)
12 straight seasons Top 25 or better
10 of those seasons are Top 20 or better

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[dmr727]

Any word on if iTunes is going to release the bowl games again for purchase? I want to keep the sugar bowl game around for years to come.

Fox made a comment during last night's game that all bowl games would be available on iTunes one day after the game was played. You might want to check that out.

[iDAG]

Ohio State, 0-9 against the SEC in bowl games, but is 5-0 against the Big 12 in bowl games. In 2005, Ohio State lost to Texas by only three points, 25-22. The following year, Ohio State beat Texas 24-7. Don't think that Ohio State is down and out before the game even kicks off. I'm expecting a long and hard fight that could go down until the very end. I predict Ohio State wins 30-28! GO BUCKS! :cool:

[obey908]

i have a good feeling about pryor and wells

[MacDawg]

Ohio State, 0-9 against the SEC in bowl games, but is 5-0 against the Big 12 in bowl games. In 2005, Ohio State lost to Texas by only three points, 25-22. The following year, Ohio State beat Texas 24-7. Don't think that Ohio State is down and out before the game even kicks off. I'm expecting a long and hard fight that could go down until the very end. I predict Ohio State wins 30-28! GO BUCKS! :cool:

It has the potential to be a great game
Let's hope they do better than the rest of the Big 10 this year
So far, Iowa's win over SCarolina is keeping you from an "0-fer"
An Ohio State win in a BCS bowl would do a lot for help their confidence and the Big 10's repututation

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/conference5.png

*I emailed NBC and got the graphic corrected for the Big 10 record :)

This should be a good matchup, in spite of the showing Ohio State had with USC early in the year
Because of the home and home a few years ago that they split, it has a little rivalry aspect to it

I still like Texas in this game, but as you can tell, my picks are not 100% locks :rolleyes:

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[obey908]

missing wells in the usc game really hurt ohio state. everyone knows you can run all over usc. oregon state did, we did with backups, stanford did, arizona put up 100, etc...

not saying wells would have put all those points on the board but the game would have been a lot different. and now that pryor has experience he would have done a lot of damage on usc.

[jimothyGator]

Any word on if iTunes is going to release the bowl games again for purchase? I want to keep the sugar bowl game around for years to come.

P-Worm

The BCS bowls are available:

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewRoom?fcId=300488250&id=37

[dmr727]

So what, no UConn/Buffalo smack? :D

[P-Worm]

The BCS bowls are available:

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewRoom?fcId=300488250&id=37

Thanks for the link. $2 isn't bad at all, but I wish I could get it in HD. Oh well, thems the breaks I guess.

P-Worm

[MacDawg]

So what, no UConn/Buffalo smack? :D

Buffalo up 13-10 on UConn midway through the 2nd

Buffalo has had a good year and Turner Gill deserves a shot at a big time program. He would have been a much better hire for Auburn than Chizik in my opinion. However, being a Dawg fan, I prefer them to be stuck with Chizik moving forward.

Edit: Wow... UConn has turned the ball over 5 times on fumbles in the first half and they are still in the game

20-17 almost the half

Total yards:
Buffalo 94
UConn 210 (all on the ground, zero passing yards on 1 attempt)


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[Tomorrow]

How many seasons is the right amount of seasons Tomorrow? How many seasons did Bama have to have before they were allowed into the BCS title picture? That's right they were in it from the beginning, I'm sorry but that's a crap analogy.

And if there were a boxer who beat 5 of the best boxers in the league you can bet your ass he'd be getting a shot at the title, nobody with an ounce of credibility could deny that to him.

SLC

The right amount of seasons? That's up to the voters. Right now, Utah isn't going to crack the top 2 in the regular season because they're in the MWC, and right now the voters aren't going to give them that kind of credit. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that's reality.

To answer your other question, Alabama was in the BCS title picture because they've been there for decades. If I remember correctly, you could count on one hand the number of schools with more consensus national championships than 'Bama. In the meantime, where was Utah before 2004? How many years had they been seen routinely beating up on SEC-caliber talent?

Don't get me wrong, I wanted Utah to win last night and I figured they would. Any team that can beat BYU, Oregon State, TCU, and Alabama in the same season has definitely earned some serious bragging rights - but for the time being, it's only one season, and one season alone isn't likely to establish a championship legacy. The teams you see in the BCS title hunt year-in, year-out (think of teams like USC, Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Florida, Michigan prior to 2007, and Notre Dame prior to 1994), are the ones that have been there for many, many seasons.

(I'm also not an SEC homer, btw - Boomer Sooner!)

I also stand by my boxing analogy - no matter how many chumps or contenders you beat up, if the WBA says no title shot for you, then no title shot for you - it's that simple. If anything, there's possibly more politicking going on in boxing than in BCS football. Do some research - there's a ton of who's-fighting-who, I'm-not-fighting-him-unless-you-pay-me-more-than-you-pay-him, and WBA-isn't-giving-me-a-title-shot-until-I-drop-the-WBC-title going on out there, and it's depriving viewers and fans of some matchups that they would like to see. If you think politics and lobbying are exclusive to the BCS you're not paying enough attention.

[obey908]

so if they had a +1 system who would play the winner of the NC?

assuming florida wins:
utah?
usc? but florida would be able to run all over usc's terrible run defense
texas? put another big12 team up to fail?

[MacDawg]

so if they had a +1 system who would play the winner of the NC?

assuming florida wins:
utah?
usc? but florida would be able to run all over usc's terrible run defense
texas? put another big12 team up to fail?

I asked the same question buried in post #1602

You would still have a controversy and a voter's decision
It would solve nothing

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[twoodcc]

Here is the Dawgs record and standings (AP) from 1997-2008

Coach Richt
2008 10-3 Top 10? (maybe, but Top 15 at least)
2007 11-2 Top 5 (2)
2006 9-4 Top 25 (22)
2005 10-3 Top 10 (10)
2004 10-2 Top 10 (7)
2003 11-3 Top 10 (7)
2002 13-1 Top 5 (3)
2001 8-4 Top 25 (22)

Coach Donnan
2000 8-4 Top 20 (20)
1999 8-4 Top 20 (16)
1998 9-3 Top 20 (14)
1997 10-2 Top 10 (10)

6 of the last 7 seasons = 10 wins or better
6 of the last 7 seasons = Top 10 or better (if we make it this year)
12 straight seasons Top 25 or better
10 of those seasons are Top 20 or better

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thanks for posting those stats.

i remember hearing an aflac trivia question while watching a UGA game, and the question was something like "what 2 teams have finished the season in the top 10 in the last 6 seasons?"

and the answer was UGA and USC. but i guess the question was top 25 instead of top 10?

[RamblinWreck]

Congrats to Utah! I was definitely proved wrong about this game. I couldn't believe how quick they stuck it on Alabama.

Whether they deserve to be called co-champs is up for debate. In my opinion, I think that they should have the #2 spot at the end of the year. This win especially should open up the door for future BCS busters.



Note: I realized during the game that Utah's fight song uses the same tune behind Georgia Tech's (music is from an old English drinking song). I had to go look up the lyrics to the Utah version, and man is it weak compared to Tech's. But hey, at least Utah got to play their fight song in their bowl game.

[MacDawg]

UConn 31 Buffalo 20 with about 4:00 to play

Nice story on Buffalo (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=buffalo58)

Here is then opening piece on the story...
"The University of Buffalo has been invited to one bowl games in it's 102 seasons.
This is the story of why the players chose not to go."

Fitting that Turner Gill took them to this bowl

In 1958, the University of Buffalo football team won eight of nine regular-season games and was awarded the Lambert Cup as the best small-school program in the eastern United States. Team co-captains Nick Bottini and Lou Reale received the trophy during a Sunday night broadcast of "The Ed Sullivan Show" and dined that evening in Manhattan's famous Toots Shor's Restaurant.
Days later, the Bulls were invited to face Florida State in the 13th annual Tangerine Bowl in Orlando, Fla. -- still the school's only bowl bid in 102 years of football.

In anticipation of their trip south, players were measured for new sport coats at The Kleinhans Company in downtown Buffalo. But before fabric for the coats ever was cut, the university learned that the team's two African-American players, starting halfback Willie Evans and reserve defensive end Mike Wilson, were not welcome in Orlando.

The Orlando High School Athletic Association, the Tangerine Bowl Stadium's leaseholder, prohibited blacks and whites from playing together. Despite the protestations of the Orlando Elks Lodge, the bowl game's sponsor, the Bulls would be allowed to participate only if Wilson and Evans did not play.

The university and coach Dick Offenhamer left it to the team to decide whether to accept the bid. The players gathered in a basement room of Clark Gymnasium on the Buffalo campus to take a vote. Bottini and Reale held small paper ballots in their hands, but before they could pass them out, the players spontaneously and unanimously rejected the bid.

"We weren't the same team without Willie and Mike," guard Phil Bamford remembers. "Whether they were benchwarmers or stars, we wouldn't have been the same team."

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[P-Worm]

Note: I realized during the game that Utah's fight song uses the same tune behind Georgia Tech's (music is from an old English drinking song). I had to go look up the lyrics to the Utah version, and man is it weak compared to Tech's. But hey, at least Utah got to play their fight song in their bowl game.

You're telling me. Every time I am at a game and sing the fight song, I cringe a bit inside because of the lyrics. Who came up with those?

P-Worm

[MacDawg]

You're telling me. Every time I am at a game and sing the fight song, I cringe a bit inside because of the lyrics. Who came up with those?

P-Worm

You gotta be kiddin me... is this really it??

"Utah Man"

I am a Utah Man, sir, and I live across the green,
Our gang it is the jolliest that you have ever seen.
Our coeds are the fairest and each one's a shining star,
Our yell, you'll hear it ringing through the mountains near and far!
Who am I, sir,
A Utah Man am I!
A Utah Man, sir,
Will be 'til I die.
Ki-yi!
We're up to snuff, we never bluff, we're game for any fuss.
No other gang of college men dare meet us in a muss.
So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky,
We'll fight for dear old crimson for a Utah Man am I!
Ki-yi!

That is reason enough to ban you from a National Championship game!

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[P-Worm]

You gotta be kiddin me... is this really it??

"Utah Man"

I am a Utah Man, sir, and I live across the green,
Our gang it is the jolliest that you have ever seen.
Our coeds are the fairest and each one's a shining star,
Our yell, you'll hear it ringing through the mountains near and far!
Who am I, sir,
A Utah Man am I!
A Utah Man, sir,
Will be 'til I die.
Ki-yi!
We're up to snuff, we never bluff, we're game for any fuss.
No other gang of college men dare meet us in a muss.
So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky,
We'll fight for dear old crimson for a Utah Man am I!
Ki-yi!

That is reason enough to ban you from a National Championship game!

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I know. Please don't rub it in. :(

P-Worm

[MacDawg]

I know. Please don't rub it in. :(

P-Worm

He He... couldn't resist posting it...

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[evilgEEk]

Heh heh.

I'm sorry, but as much as I enjoyed Utah putting the beat-down on the SEC last night I still don't think they deserve to be National Champs. They had an absolutely amazing season, and arguably deserve #2 or 3, but definitely not #1.

Utah didn't have a single quality road win. And, please, don't bring up Michigan because you're comparing yourself to Toledo when you do that, and that certainly doesn't help your cause.

Okay, so let's look at the "quality" wins that every Utah fan goes on about...

First, Oregon State. Why was this win so important? I just don't get it. Oregon State was not great this year. They were good, definitely, but not great. And Utah still barely scraped by with a last second field goal... at home! Oregon State barely tied with Oregon for #2 in the PAC-10. If you look at their overall record then they're listed as #3. This wasn't a quality win. What I find ironic is that Utah fans use the Oregon State win as a measurement of success because the Beavers beat mighty USC. And then in the next sentence they say USC isn't very good. Okay.. (and this is for you, badandy) so if USC isn't any good, then why is beating a team that beat USC the best win of your season?

Next comes BYU. BYU's ranking was so overinflated it was pathetic, and everyone knows it. I honestly think BYU's fall from grace hurt Utah more than anything else. TCU exposed BYU and everyone realized BYU wasn't that great of a team to begin with. Suddenly beating BYU doesn't mean much.

The last win is TCU, and this was the only real quality win of the season. But it's a good thing the MWC is tucked away on worthless cable channels, or everyone that votes would have seen how absolutely ugly that game really was.

I don't want to sound like I'm just ripping on Utah, because I'm absolutely overjoyed that Utah won! It's a win for all of the non-BCS, and I love it when we stand up with the "big boys" and we're the last ones standing at the end of the game.

But at the same time I hate it when non-BCS fans automatically assume we belong at the top because we won our Bowl Game and are the only undefeated team in the country when we do. Boise State did it in '06-'07, but they still didn't deserve to be #1.

Take your Bowl win as another step in the right direction, and use it to reload (not rebuild) next year and finish in the top ten again! I think that's the difference between great teams and good teams. Great teams are able to take a "rebuilding" year and simply reload. You shouldn't have to wait every four years to have a great team.

Again, I think it's awesome that Utah won, and the MWC had a great season. But can they keep it up? Utah really needs to step up this offseason and reload for next year. Do that and you'll be treated with more respect.

Just my opinion, of course.

:)

[MacDawg]

<snip intelligent, well thought out post>

Good job evilgEEk
You give a solid, balanced look at things

Utah had a great year and a great win over 'Bama

I think it was Barry Switzer that said,
"Bama wanted to be in the National Championship game and Utah wanted to be in the Sugar Bowl and it showed."


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[Badandy]

missing wells in the usc game really hurt ohio state. everyone knows you can run all over usc. oregon state did, we did with backups, stanford did, arizona put up 100, etc...

Of course it hurt Ohio State. He's a good running back, but to say that anyone can run all over us is absolutely ridiculous. 'Quiz Rodgers, in case no one has seen him play, is an incredible running back. I don't mean alright, I mean incredible. The only reason you did is because we had respect for Paterno and didn't play the second half. You didn't notice? Really?

and now that pryor has experience he would have done a lot of damage on usc.

35-3. Stop defending the Big-10, it's not worthy of it.

Oh, and you know why we had a 1.7 yard average against you guys? It could be because OUR extremely elusive tailback Joe McKnight was injured early in the game. Say all you want about three of our backs having 600+ yard seasons, but Joe McKnight's purpose is to spread the defense even when we're running. You guys were so scared of us running you shut that part down. Unfortunately you can't protect the pass worth ****.

Stop making excuses. Your figurehead coach didn't have your team ready to play, and it wouldn't have mattered if he did. Just leave the thread and try to console yourself with your two token second half touchdowns. This game was over the second it the matchup was announced and for anyone to think otherwise (that includes you, MacDawg) was ridiculous.

[MacDawg]

ooooh my Broncos are eyeing Bob Stoops!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3806489

Apparently not...

Link to article (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls08/news/story?id=3807860)

Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops said Saturday he has not been contacted by the Denver Broncos about their head coaching position and he has no interest in the job.

Of course he could be Saban-izing us ;)

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[furcalchick]

I think we will get one starting 2011 season, designed in a way to minimize interference with college exam finals (the biggest gripe by college presidents against a playoff).

I see it working like this:

1) Season starts on its current scheduled start dates.
2) Regular season will be eleven games long.
3) There will be NO rankings until last Saturday of September or first Saturday of October.
4) First BCS rankings come out two weeks after first rankings.
5) After 11 games, first and second ranked teams in conference (or conference division winners) play in conference championship games.
6) Top eight ranked teams will be picked out to play first elimination game regardless of if they won conference championship or not.
7) Matchups will be #1 vs. #8, #2 vs. #7, #3 vs. #6 and #4 vs #5, with the higher-ranked teams hosting the games. This will happen at the end of the first weekend in December.
8) On New Year's Day, the winners of these four games will be reseeded #1 to #4, with #1 vs #4 and #2 vs #3 in two BCS bowl games.
9) One week later, the winners of these two BCS bowl games play for the championship.

This is by far the best plan and offers these advantages:

1) It has no interference with college exam finals, as mentioned earlier.
2) It may even tilt the balance of power back to schools located in northern climates (who'd want to play at possibly Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Penn State or a northern-location Big East school in early December for the first elimination game if we have the potential for really bad winter weather?).

that's a great plan, expect i don't like #5. it makes the regular season worthless. refer to conference tournaments in basketball. all that work in the regular season to waste because some 10-20 team strung up 3 wins in a tourney.

also, i would do a 16 team tourney, with the finals occurring jan. 2nd. and i wouldn't want the balance of power going back up north, too cold up there.

[obey908]

Of course it hurt Ohio State. He's a good running back, but to say that anyone can run all over us is absolutely ridiculous. 'Quiz Rodgers, in case no one has seen him play, is an incredible running back. I don't mean alright, I mean incredible. The only reason you did is because we had respect for Paterno and didn't play the second half. You didn't notice? Really?



35-3. Stop defending the Big-10, it's not worthy of it.

Oh, and you know why we had a 1.7 yard average against you guys? It could be because OUR extremely elusive tailback Joe McKnight was injured early in the game. Say all you want about three of our backs having 600+ yard seasons, but Joe McKnight's purpose is to spread the defense even when we're running. You guys were so scared of us running you shut that part down. Unfortunately you can't protect the pass worth ****.

Stop making excuses. Your figurehead coach didn't have your team ready to play, and it wouldn't have mattered if he did. Just leave the thread and try to console yourself with your two token second half touchdowns. This game was over the second it the matchup was announced and for anyone to think otherwise (that includes you, MacDawg) was ridiculous.

stop defending quiz, he is not that good. i saw him in person, not that good. No one saw him play? You guys played him two weeks after us and he put up 186 on you, 99 on us. you guys just suck at defending the run. you let stanford put up over 200 on you...

[donga]

i think an issue with the plan is the money:

do you think the sugar, orange, fiesta, rose bowls will give up those teams traveling to their venues and stimulating the local economy? while it'd be fun to see an nfl style best teams host playoff games, it is pretty unrealistic.

[MacDawg]

Stop making excuses. Your figurehead coach didn't have your team ready to play, and it wouldn't have mattered if he did. Just leave the thread and try to console yourself with your two token second half touchdowns. This game was over the second it the matchup was announced and for anyone to think otherwise (that includes you, MacDawg) was ridiculous.

Ha, Ha... lighten up a little Badandy, I've given USC plenty of kudos in this thread! You would have said the same thing before the Oregon State game too. Picking against your precious Trojans isn't always ridiculous. As far as I can tell, USC usually loses at least one or two games every year to inferior opponents.

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[dukebound85]

You gotta be kiddin me... is this really it??

"Utah Man"

I am a Utah Man, sir, and I live across the green,
Our gang it is the jolliest that you have ever seen.
Our coeds are the fairest and each one's a shining star,
Our yell, you'll hear it ringing through the mountains near and far!
Who am I, sir,
A Utah Man am I!
A Utah Man, sir,
Will be 'til I die.
Ki-yi!
We're up to snuff, we never bluff, we're game for any fuss.
No other gang of college men dare meet us in a muss.
So fill your lungs and sing it out and shout it to the sky,
We'll fight for dear old crimson for a Utah Man am I!
Ki-yi!

That is reason enough to ban you from a National Championship game!

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i love Fum's song

Fum's Song

I'll sing you a song of college days
And tell you where to go
Aggie's where your knowledge is
Boulder spends your dough.

CC for your sissy boys
And Utah for your times
DU for your ministers
For drunkards, School of Mines.

Don't send my boy to Wyoming U
A dying mother said
Don't send him to old Brigham Young
I'd rather see him dead.

But send him to our Aggies
It's better than Cornell
Before I'd see him in Boulder
I'd see my son in hell!


After years of CSU singing this (not their fight song though as thats another one) CSU decided to not allow it anymore as I guess some people found it offensive

a story on it (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_4253244)

[Badandy]

stop defending quiz, he is not that good. i saw him in person, not that good.

In two years he will be in the Heisman discussion. Guaranteed.

you guys just suck at defending the run. you let stanford put up over 200 on you...

Yup, our defense sucks. That's what everyone was telling me throughout the season but I was just too blinded by bias to see it.

By the way, running yards tend to get inflated when you've already won the game in the first half and you don't need to play the second half. I love all the Penn State fans: We put up 400 yard on USC!!!11

Look, it's not my fault your school has a has-been, figure-head football coach and a football team that doesn't hold a candle to USC. At least your cheer leaders were hot. If USC were playing Florida, for example, I wouldn't be on this board saying who we're going to murder them. I'm not that biased. I, of course, would like our chances but there's no way I'd say our win was a certainty. You, however, actually deluded yourself into thinking Penn State could beat USC.

Have fun oogling your 4th best quarterback recruit...see you all next year.

[obey908]

have fun getting the best recruits in the country, playing in the pac10, and still not making the NC every year. oh wait, thats basically every year

[obey908]

oh and passing yards get inflated when you are losing, not rushing yards

[Badandy]

have fun getting the best recruits in the country, playing in the pac10, and still not making the NC every year. oh wait, thats basically every year

We have as many National Championships in the last five years as you have in the 40+ year coaching reign of Paterno.

And nice dig at the Pac-10 :rolleyes:

oh and passing yards get inflated when you are losing, not rushing yards

Not when your defense really doesn't have anything to play for and your offense goes three and out over and over because of timid play-calling out of respect for not running up the score on the other coach.

[obey908]

yes, i know paterno sucks. i have always hated, probably the only penn state fan who feels this way lol

[SLC Flyfishing]

Heh heh.

I'm sorry, but as much as I enjoyed Utah putting the beat-down on the SEC last night I still don't think they deserve to be National Champs. They had an absolutely amazing season, and arguably deserve #2 or 3, but definitely not #1.

And if Alabama had beaten Florida and gone undefeated would you say the same thing for them, cause we sure proved that we're a hell of a lot better than they are, so why should we not be #1 again?

Utah didn't have a single quality road win. And, please, don't bring up Michigan because you're comparing yourself to Toledo when you do that, and that certainly doesn't help your cause.

We're freakin' undefeated man, and we beat the team that everyone was saying would win the national championship this year for the entire month of November. When that didn't pan out, they all shifted to saying that there was absolutely no chance that Utah would beat them, well we all know how that turned out......

Okay, so let's look at the "quality" wins that every Utah fan goes on about...

First, Oregon State. Why was this win so important? I just don't get it. Oregon State was not great this year. They were good, definitely, but not great. And Utah still barely scraped by with a last second field goal... at home! Oregon State barely tied with Oregon for #2 in the PAC-10. If you look at their overall record then they're listed as #3. This wasn't a quality win. What I find ironic is that Utah fans use the Oregon State win as a measurement of success because the Beavers beat mighty USC. And then in the next sentence they say USC isn't very good. Okay.. (and this is for you, badandy) so if USC isn't any good, then why is beating a team that beat USC the best win of your season?

I can't speak for every Ute fan on this board, but I've never claimed that Oregon State was the best win on the season, I think I'd claim that TCU was the best win of the regular season by far, and Alabama was the best win overall, we more than proved our legitimacy this season and you know it. But hey it's a good team from a "superior" BCS automatic qualifying conference and they beat the #1 the week before we beat them, USC couldn't get it done against Oregon State, and there are quite a few people yammering on about how USC should be in the title picture. Again I say we're freakin' undefeated we beat teams from 3 of the better "BCS conferences" and we are the only team in the entire nation to do so and still remain undefeated. If that isn't good enough to merit a shot at the title, then I don't know what is. I mean look at Florida, they're in the title game and they lost (at home nonetheless) to an unranked team! This is pathetic that you would even imply that Utah doesn't even belong!

Next comes BYU. BYU's ranking was so overinflated it was pathetic, and everyone knows it. I honestly think BYU's fall from grace hurt Utah more than anything else. TCU exposed BYU and everyone realized BYU wasn't that great of a team to begin with. Suddenly beating BYU doesn't mean much.

I'd agree with you here, but the fact remains that BYU had only one loss and that was to a top 10 caliber team. Then they lost to us, somehow they still finished the regular season ranked in the top 25 so if we're being fair, this is still a quality win, even if BYU probably was over rated at #18.

The last win is TCU, and this was the only real quality win of the season. But it's a good thing the MWC is tucked away on worthless cable channels, or everyone that votes would have seen how absolutely ugly that game really was.

Hey they won didn't they, more than BSU could do against TCU so don't be so critical. At least we won and were able to remain undefeated, need I remind you that we're the only team this season to be undefeated at the end of it all. We have the longest current winning streak in the nation, the longest active bowl win streak in the nation. Won out in what's arguably the 3rd best conference in the country this year. whupped a national championship caliber team in our bowl, beat another team that will be top 10, whupped another that was as high as #7 and pasted UCLA 59-0 (who USC only beat 28-0). Beat a team that is historically a perennial powerhouse in NCAA football at their home stadium, a stadium filled with almost 100,000 hostile fans. And again were the only team to do all of this and go undefeated through the entire season. We beat a top SEC team, a top Pac 10 team and a team who usually is a top Big 10 team. Along with every team in our conference (which is a very tough conference this year). If that doesn't warrant a chance to play for the title (notice I say play for the title no be given the title, even though that's what happened with OU and FU this year) than I want to know what does.

I don't want to sound like I'm just ripping on Utah, because I'm absolutely overjoyed that Utah won! It's a win for all of the non-BCS, and I love it when we stand up with the "big boys" and we're the last ones standing at the end of the game.

But at the same time I hate it when non-BCS fans automatically assume we belong at the top because we won our Bowl Game and are the only undefeated team in the country when we do. Boise State did it in '06-'07, but they still didn't deserve to be #1.

I'm sorry you don't stand behind your team like I do mine, but we've done the BCS thing twice now. This time against a team that was only one quarter away from being in the National Championship. I'm sorry but just because you don't think Boise State belongs in the National Title picture, doesn't mean that Utah also doesn't.

Take your Bowl win as another step in the right direction, and use it to reload (not rebuild) next year and finish in the top ten again! I think that's the difference between great teams and good teams. Great teams are able to take a "rebuilding" year and simply reload. You shouldn't have to wait every four years to have a great team.

Again, I think it's awesome that Utah won, and the MWC had a great season. But can they keep it up? Utah really needs to step up this offseason and reload for next year. Do that and you'll be treated with more respect.

Just my opinion, of course.

:)

I'm sorry EvilGeek, but that post means nothing. Utah belongs in the national title picture. I could even argue that your 2006 BSU team wasn't the only undefeated team going into bowl season. Neither were the 2004 Utes, but this year we were and still are the only undefeated team. We're National Champions!

And apparently I'm not the only one who feels this way, you who say Utah doesn't deserve it are very much in the minority. On Fox sports there is a poll going asking whether or not the Utes deserve a shot at the title. So far there are over 95,000 votes and 73% of them say yes! Look at the comments following any story about the Utes and you'll see the same thing.

The Utes are the National Champions, and this year the BCS title is little more than a beauty prize for the winner of that game in the hearts of the American People!

If anyone want's to help out getting the Utes the AP #1 spot that they deserve, you can email the AP writers about it. A list of writers can be found at the following link http://members.cox.net/kbrews/Utes/APvoters.html

SLC

[MacDawg]

We're National Champions!

The Utes are the National Champions

LOL

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[SLC Flyfishing]

LOL

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Want to lol at the folks over at sportsnation too?


SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

Or the folks at fox sports ?

SLC

[MacDawg]

Want to lol at the folks over at sportsnation too?

You can say it over and over... loud... use speakers if you want
ESPN can take all the fan polls they want

You can order rings like Auburn did

But at the end of the day... Thursday actually... Florida or Oklahoma will be NChamps

Not Utah

Look, I have said all along... Utah had a good season
They are a good team
They looked really good against a lackluster 'Bama team

But you will not be National Champs... not even if the AP Poll splits it (sorry Badandy)

The BCS is the system... like it or not


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[iDAG]

It would be kind of neat if the winner of the championship game came out afterwards and asked Utah if they could play them for it all? Now, that would be sweet! :cool:

[MacDawg]

It would be kind of neat if the winner of the championship game came out afterwards and asked Utah if they could play them for it all? Now, that would be sweet! :cool:

The NCAA would never allow it
And Texas/USC would scream to high heavens too ;)
That is, if Texas beats Ohio State

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[SLC Flyfishing]

The NCAA would never allow it
And Texas/USC would scream to high heavens too ;)
That is, if Texas beats Ohio State

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But Texas and USC aren't undefeated! Utah still is, and the only one in the entire country at that, and therein lies the rub. USC has no argument because they lost to Oregon State and Utah beat them, that alone leaves them out of the talk this season.

SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

You can say it over and over... loud... use speakers if you want
ESPN can take all the fan polls they want

You can order rings like Auburn did

But at the end of the day... Thursday actually... Florida or Oklahoma will be NChamps

Not Utah

Look, I have said all along... Utah had a good season
They are a good team
They looked really good against a lackluster 'Bama team

But you will not be National Champs... not even if the AP Poll splits it (sorry Badandy)

The BCS is the system... like it or not


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I refer you to the end of my response to EvilGeek a few posts above this one for my answer to that assertion.

And apparently I'm not the only one who feels this way, you who say Utah doesn't deserve it are very much in the minority. On Fox sports there is a poll going asking whether or not the Utes deserve a shot at the title. So far there are over 95,000 votes and 73% of them say yes! Look at the comments following any story about the Utes and you'll see the same thing.

The Utes are the National Champions, and this year the BCS title is little more than a beauty prize for the winner of that game in the hearts of the American People!

SLC

[MacDawg]

But Texas and USC aren't undefeated! Utah still is, and the only one in the entire country at that, and therein lies the rub. USC has no argument because they lost to Oregon State and Utah beat them, that alone leaves them out of the talk this season.


Only 2 teams matter at this point... and Utah is not one of them


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[MacNut]

You know everyone at the evil BCS headquarters on the top of a mountain somewhere were rooting against Utah. It just kills their system to have a undefeated team not playing for the championship.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Only 2 teams matter at this point... and Utah is not one of them


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70% of the voters and and even greater percentage of comments at ESPN and Fox disagree with your claim!

SLC

[MacDawg]

You know everyone at the evil BCS headquarters on the top of a mountain somewhere were rooting against Utah. It just kills their system to have a undefeated team not playing for the championship.

Do you honestly think they care?

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[MacNut]

Do you honestly think they care?They don't care but they also don't like people bad mouthing their precious perfect system.

[MacDawg]

70% of the voters and and even greater percentage of comments at ESPN and Fox disagree with your claim!


Sigh...

And exactly which one of the these two places determine the NC?
That's right... neither one

It isn't my claim... it is a FACT
The winner of the Oklahoma/Florida game will be the NC... period
Utah isn't even in the discussion, but cause they will not be in the game

You can disagree with the BCS all you want... we ALL do
The fan voice would have told you USC should have played Georgia last year for the championship
They didn't
I hated to see the Dawgs screwed last year, but that's the way it is
You don't have to like it
But in the end... the BCS is the determining factor for the NC

So... chant "were #1" and hold that foam finger proudly
But the bottom line is... you will be #2 at best and more likely #3 or #4


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[Badandy]

Beating Oregon State, who beat us, does not mean you'd be ranked above us, or even should be. Let's repeat this again: The transitive property does not apply to sports. It means Penn State should have been ranked above us, no? After all, they killed Oregon State, who we lost to.

By the way, your only quality win was against TCU. The simple fact is that Alabamaplayed ONE game against a good team all season, who they lost to. Besides Coffee (who is a great RB), I just don't see the talent on that team. Jones can catch the ball, but they're just not as complete of a football team as the rest. The teams who should be playing at the end of the season should have been USC, Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah.

And if you claim the national championship this year, we were the champs in 2004, right? After all, we were declared the champions by not just "sportsnation votes" but by both human polls. To further add legitimacy, the BCS completely overhauled their formula after recognizing their follies in not making USC the national champs due to the computers, which they realized had far too much sway if in direct opposition to human polling.




USC: Lost one game early in the season in an AWAY game
Florida: Lost one game late in the season in a HOME game

How about Oklahoma? If they win, they'll have jumped to the national championship over the team WHO BEAT THEM but with the same record. Direct head to head should hold the utmost sway. If Texas and Oklahoma win, there is absolutely no way Oklahoma should be national champion.

The simple reality is that a playoff is needed. Penn State was one missed field goal away from getting to the National Championship game as a non-championship-caliber team (no offense obey, you admitted as much yourself in your weaknesses in the secondary). The only way for a national champion to be recognized as the best team EVERY year is a playoff system, where there would be a standardized way to measure your mettle against other great teams, regardless of perceived conference strength.

[obey908]

utah..national champions...
http://91.121.132.199/gifs/1068.gif

florida, oklahoma and texas would eat them for breakfast

[MacDawg]

The simple fact is that Alabama played ONE game against a good team all season, who they lost to.

C'mon Badandy, you are better than this
You are beginning to sound like SLC
Do you really want to compare schedules with Alabama?
What "good team" did USC play?
I agree, Alabama was not the best team in the country, even when ranked #1
But don't try to make them out to be chumps

How about Oklahoma? If they win, they'll have jumped to the national championship over the team WHO BEAT THEM but with the same record. Direct head to head should hold the utmost sway. If Texas and Oklahoma win, there is absolutely no way Oklahoma should be national champion.

You know it doesn't work that way
There are a lot of factors other than strictly head to head
I would agree if Texas was undefeated, but they lost to a TT team that OU crushed

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[MacNut]

More reason for a playoff system.

[MacDawg]

More reason for a playoff system.

Oh, there are plenty of reasons... but we don't have one
And we aren't getting one ;)

OK... you brought it up Badandy so here you go...
If you want to compare to Oklahoma (edit: added)/Texas/Florida I will do that too ;)

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Bama's Schedule - Opponents Record 78-79
5 Teams with winning records + 2 Teams 6-6
6 Bowl Teams (bold)

Clemson 7-5
Tulane 2-10
Western Kentucky 2-10
Arkansas 5-7
Georgia 9-3
Kentucky 6-6
Ole Miss 8-4
Tennessee 5-7
Arkansas State 6-6
LSU 7-5
Mississippi State 4-8
Auburn 5-7
Florida 12-1

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USC's Schedule - Opponents Record 69-75
5 Teams with winning records + 1 Team 6-6
6 Bowl Teams (bold)

Virginia 5-7
Ohio State 10-2
Oregon State 8-4
Oregon 9-3
Arizona State 5-7
Washington State 2-10
Arizona 7-5
Washington 0-12
California 8-4
Stanford 5-7
Notre Dame 6-6
UCLA 4-8

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Edit: Here is Oklahoma for you to consider ;)
Remember, their offense set an NCAA record this year against this schedule

Oklahoma's Schedule - Opponent's Record 90-68
8 Teams with winning record
4 Teams over 10 wins
2 Teams with 9 wins
8 Bowl teams (bold)

Chattanooga 1-11
Cincinnati 11-2
Washington 0-12
TCU 10-2
Baylor 4-8
Texas 11-1
Kansas 7-5
Kansas State 5-7
Nebraska 8-4
Texas A&M 4-8
Texas Tech 11-1
Oklahoma State 9-3
Missouri 9-4


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[Tomorrow]

The simple reality is that a playoff is needed.

Again, we already have a playoff. One round, one game, two teams - you can try to spin it all you want, but that's a playoff - one which makes sure that one of the two top-seeded teams wins the NC. No possible way for a 8-4 team with a low seed to end up winning the championship.

In other words, it's already the way it should be.

[Badandy]

C'mon Badandy, you are better than this
You are beginning to sound like SLC
Do you really want to compare schedules with Alabama?

I'm not comparing schedules with Alabama. I'm saying that their schedule, in the SEC, was ridiculously easy. They played one good team, who they lost to. C'mon, did anyone buy their hype? Everyone knew Florida was better, even after losing to Ole Miss...


There are a lot of factors other than strictly head to head
I would agree if Texas was undefeated, but they lost to a TT team that OU crushed

Please tell me you're joking MacDawg. You're going to put OU ahead of Texas because of a common opponent? Texas beat OU HEAD TO HEAD. That's ridiculous. The common opponent statistic is nearly useless, and completely useless when the two teams have played a head to head.


Again, we already have a playoff. One round, one game, two teams - you can try to spin it all you want, but that's a playoff - one which makes sure that one of the two top-seeded teams wins the NC. No possible way for a 8-4 team with a low seed to end up winning the championship.

Argue semantics all you want, but one game is not a playoff. The problem is that the best team in college football might not be the 1 or two seed. What if Utah is the best? They're undefeated, they beat Alabama. You're not going to give them a shot? What about when there's controversy: USC lost an away game early in the season and got shafted even though Florida lost a home game late in the season. How about Texas and OU? OU and Texas are one loss teams, but OU is ahead of Texas even though THEY LOST TO THEM. The point is, there's always controversy. Sometimes there are more than two teams who can lay legitimate claim to be in the running for a national championship. Now that is the way the system really works.

If you had a 4 team or 8 team playoff this would be remedied easily. At least in this system, you'd need to be ranked either 5th or 9th to be on the outside looking in. Not only that, but the national champion, 95% of the time, would stand as the best team in college football, and that's more than we can say right now.

In other words, it's already the way it should be.

If you think the current BCS system is the way it should be, I'd shudder to consider your views on politics and actual, important issues.

[MacDawg]

I'm not comparing schedules with Alabama. I'm saying that their schedule, in the SEC, was ridiculously easy. They played one good team, who they lost to. C'mon, did anyone buy their hype? Everyone knew Florida was better, even after losing to Ole Miss...

Ridiculously easy huh... the point of posting the schedules was to show it was comparable to USC's.
Was USC's schedule ridiculously easy too?

One good team? I assume you mean Florida
So Georgia wasn't a good team in your estimation?
Interesting... and neither was Ole Miss who beat TT like a drum?

Again, what good teams did USC play again?

And you keep saying Florida lost "late in the season"
USC lost their 3rd game
Florida lost their 4th game
Hardly "late in the season"

You also point out how good Oregon State was
And how bad Ole Miss was
They were both 8-4
Oregon State beat a 9-3 Pitt team in the bowls
Ole Miss beat an 11-1 Texas Tech team in the bowls
Florida lost by 1 to Ole Miss and led much of the game and lost on a 4th and inches
USC lost by 6 to Oregon State and was dominated most of the game

And I don't even like the Gators... I hate the Gators™
You continually distort reality for your own gain... until you get called out on it

And OU was ahead of Texas because it was a 3 way tie, not a straight head to head situation
I didn't make the conference rules... but that's the way it goes
Like I said... many factors


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[P-Worm]

A few things I think are pretty funny:

First, I think it is really funny that people are saying that Utah shouldn't even be considered to be a national champion because USC, Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida would kill them. If I remember correctly, Alabama was supposed to kill Utah as well. But now Alabama sucks all of a sudden and it's only the other teams that are good now? :confused:

I also find if funny that USC thinks they are more deserving of the national title than Utah. Let's just forget they aren't undefeated like Utah is for the moment and consider what most USC fans are pointing to - the fact the creamed Penn State. Is that even a big deal? Did anyone think Penn State was going to win that game besides MacDawg?

I think the biggest argument Utah has is that they beat a team that was considered one of the best the entire season. They were ranked #1 for a solid 5 weeks before they lost to Florida (and I have to say, I thought Alabama outplayed Florida in that game. If they had some more time, I think Alabama would have won.)

And we aren't talking about Utah beating the previously amazing Alabama team by some last second field goal either. Utah creamed Alabama. If it wasn't for that embarrassing punt return, the only highlights of the game would have been Utah's.

Absolute domination of a team that people claimed was one of the nation's finest before the 2nd of January. Now everyone just says Alabama was overrated and Utah didn't beat that great of an opponent anyway.

How many times does the story have to change before people start admitting that Utah had one solid team this year?

P-Worm

[MacDawg]

How many times does the story have to change before people start admitting that Utah had one solid team this year?

P-Worm

I don't think anyone questions whether Utah has a solid team
They do... and they had a good year... a great year
National Champions? Not in my opinion... but that is all it is

The BCS is the standard by which the teams are judged
Like it or not

The 2 teams in the game are Oklahoma and Florida
That is what we have... not Texas, not USC, not Utah
At the end of the game, they will not present the trophy to Utah
It will go to the winner of that game

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[Tomorrow]

You're going to put OU ahead of Texas because of a common opponent? Texas beat OU HEAD TO HEAD. That's ridiculous. The common opponent statistic is nearly useless, and completely useless when the two teams have played a head to head.

You're almost right. If they played head to head and only tied head to head, then your argument holds. Thing is, they didn't tie head to head, they were two teams in a three way tie. At that point, common opponent comes into play, and head to head becomes useless.

Argue semantics all you want, but one game is not a playoff. The problem is that the best team in college football might not be the 1 or two seed.

Come on, Badandy, this entire discussion is about semantics. You see it one way and I see it another. The best college football team might not be #1; they might be #2. Either is many times more likely than the best team being #8.

If you had a 4 team or 8 team playoff this would be remedied easily. At least in this system, you'd need to be ranked either 5th or 9th to be on the outside looking in. Not only that, but the national champion, 95% of the time, would stand as the best team in college football, and that's more than we can say right now.

Now this point is just flat-out wrong. If you expand the number of teams in a playoff field then you increase the probability that the "best team" will not win, because you're introducing many more opportunities for upsets (where an inferior team beats a superior team). Your "95%" argument doesn't hold water.

If you think the current BCS system is the way it should be, I'd shudder to consider your views on politics and actual, important issues.

I'd be glad to discuss them. Just like this thread, you might find that not everyone conforms to a hive mind, most of us - most likely, you included - examine a set of facts and arrive at our own opinions, and they may or may not be the same as everyone else's. In the meantime, I don't think the BCS is perfect, but I do think that selecting the top two teams to play for the NC is the best way to go, and not expanding the field to four or *shudder* 8.

[obey908]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2eRVomQZO8
stay classy usc

[MacDawg]

OK, lets switch gears ;)

Two big games remaining!

Monday night: Texas v. Ohio State
Thursday night: Oklahoma v. Florida

I realize my predictions have been less than stellar :rolleyes:
I have picked a few upsets that didn't work out and I have been wrong a few times

But I like Texas to take down Ohio State
And I like Oklahoma to outscore Florida

I think both of them should be great games

I hate the Gators™

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[SLC Flyfishing]

Beating Oregon State, who beat us, does not mean you'd be ranked above us, or even should be. Let's repeat this again: The transitive property does not apply to sports. It means Penn State should have been ranked above us, no? After all, they killed Oregon State, who we lost to.

Utah should (and will be) ranked above USC because they beat Oregon State who beat USC. But the part you don't realize makes the biggest difference is that Utah is still undefeated, USC isn't. USC has one loss, and that loss happens to be at the hand of a team that Utah didn't lose to, is it so crazy to think that qualifies Utah to be ranked higher after all is said and done than USC? We beat a better opponent in our BCS bowl too, how about that?

I think Florida wins the National Title game by 3 and it's an ugly game with a lot of penalties and the like. And I'm now the biggest fan of Ohio State, at least till the end of the Fiesta Bowl. That should remove all doubt.

If you can't bring it every single time the game is played, you've no business being called the Champions!

SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

utah..national champions...
http://91.121.132.199/gifs/1068.gif

florida, oklahoma and texas would eat them for breakfast

Ahh look. Obey908 made us a video of himself laughing at the thought of Utah being Champions!

Think Florida Oklahoma and Texas would eat us for breakfast? I say bring em on, I want to find out. There's no legitimate champion until we all know what would happen on the field.

SLC

[MacDawg]

That should remove all doubt.

All doubt about what?


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[SLC Flyfishing]

Now this point is just flat-out wrong. If you expand the number of teams in a playoff field then you increase the probability that the "best team" will not win, because you're introducing many more opportunities for upsets (where an inferior team beats a superior team). Your "95%" argument doesn't hold water.

A true Champion would not ever be "upset", if they can't beat a team that's supposed to be "not as good" then they have no business being called champions. That's the stupidest claim I've read in this entire thread!

SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

All doubt about what?


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About where the Utes should be ranked!

[MacDawg]

A true Champion would not ever be "upset", if they can't beat a team that's supposed to be "not as good" then they have no business being called champions. That's the stupidest claim I've read in this entire thread!

SLC

Actually, I agree with Tomorrow. According to your view, in seasons where there is no undefeated team (last year for example), then there is NO champion... you can only have a champion that is undefeated. That plays well for you this year... but it doesn't hold true. Great teams DO get upset. That is why we even have a term "upset" to begin with.

About where the Utes should be ranked!

Look SLC... Oklahoma and Florida could play a 3-0 ugly game
Do you really think at the end of the game they will give the trophy to Utah?

"Uh, ladies and gentlemen... we have seen the error of our ways and we are going to award this trophy to Utah. We apologize that we didn't recognize their superior greatness earlier, but we can't let this injustice go any further. Congratulations Utes... you are going to Disney World!"

The winner of the Oklahoma/Florida game will be ranked #1
Utah will probably be #3 or #4... maybe #2... but that's a stretch

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[SLC Flyfishing]

Actually, I agree with Tomorrow. According to your view, in seasons where there is no undefeated team (last year for example), then there is NO champion... you can only have a champion that is undefeated. That plays well for you this year... but it doesn't hold true. Great teams DO get upset. That is why we even have a term "upset" to begin with.


You've gone way too far with what I said MacDawg. If it's a playoff situation, the team that "should" win, should do just that, WIN. But if they don't, do they have any real argument to be considered #1? How do you feel good about crowning Florida or Oklahoma #1 when each have a loss, and there's another team that has none and who just beat the team that easily could have been in that title match? Really, just explain that to me, how do you feel good about that or think it's right. If you don't think it's right then you should do the right thing and get behind those of us who want to take this #$*& system down.

I mean $#%& it right, let's just get rid of the NFL playoffs, the whole season is like a playoff and nobody likes to watch the playoffs anyway. We should just put the Giants and the Titans in a game this weekend and call it good, the whole country would go along with it. They are obviously the best teams in the country anyway. Well no that wouldn't work because the Giants have sucked historically and so they aren't worthy, and the Titans are too new, they don't have those years of dominance that we feel are necessary (nobody tell them that we won't let them ever get to that point with our new system). I think the best thing would be to put the Cowboys and the Packers in, cause those are 2 teams with great history of strong play. If anyone else wants a shot they've got to be undefeated, in two consecutive seasons, and beat both of our championship teams by at least 50 points each every single time they play. If it's less than 50 we'll just chalk it up to the Cowboys being "lackluster" or the Packers having an off day.

And while we're at it we are going to have a single game at the end of the NBA regular season, it's going to be the Bulls against the Spurs. Both those teams have won a lot of championships and none of the other teams really deserve a shot. This is the best idea ever!

Now we move on to Baseball, it's the Yankees against the Dodgers every single year. Those teams have a lot of followers and each has a great name with nationwide recognition. We've determined that the Rays and the Phillies don't deserve a shot because the Rays are an unknown, we don't really know if they are legit. And the Phillies haven't shown themselves as a dominant team year in and year out. It's better this way, trust me!

No more World Cup, we're just going to hand the trophy to Brazil every single year! Italy hasn't won nearly as many times as they have, and France hasn't either. Nobody could beat Brazil week in and week out anyway so they are our automatic champion every 4 years.

NCAA Basketball will consist of 4 TCS games, which consist of Kentucky, Duke, UConn, Texas, UCLA, Stanford, North Carolina, and Wake Forest. No other teams have ever been able to show us that they really truly belong.

I'm loving this idea, the BCS doesn't sound half bad afterall!

SLC

[MacDawg]

You've gone way too far with what I said MacDawg. If it's a playoff situation, the team that "should" win, should do just that, WIN. But if they don't, do they have any real argument to be considered #1? How do you feel good about crowning Florida or Oklahoma #1 when each have a loss, and there's another team that has none and who just beat the team that easily could have been in that title match? Really, just explain that to me, how do you feel good about that or think it's right. If you don't think it's right then you should do the right thing and get behind those of us who want to take this #$*& system down.

SLC

Ha, Ha... nothing you or I can do will ever take this system down
What do you want to do, start a petition??

And yes, I do think Oklahoma and Florida deserve to play for the championship... I think they got it right this year... as much as I dislike the system as well. An argument can be made for Utah, USC, and Texas... but in the end, I think the two best teams are where they are supposed to be this year. But that is my opinion only, and at the end of the day, that is all it is. Badandy thinks it is USC. You and a few others feel it should be Utah. I am sure the Texas fans feel jobbed.

Regardless... it will be the winner of the Oklahoma/Florida game because they made it through the BCS system and were given the opportunity to play for the championship.

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[dukebound85]

utah should be named NIT champions haha as a consolation prize

[Cave Man]

Is this thread still going? Season's over folks - Utah's the Champion. All these other games are just for extra money for the NCAA.

[MacDawg]

For the sake of completeness...


Utah's Schedule - Opponent's Record 73-73
5 Teams with a winning record (one of which is Weber State :rolleyes:) + 1 team 6-6
5 Bowl teams (bold)
I will let you be the judge of this schedule compared to Oklahoma's

Michigan 3-9
UNLV 5-7
Utah State 3-9
Air Force 8-4
Weber State 10-4
Oregon State 8-4
Wyoming 4-8
Colorado State 6-6
New Mexico 4-8
TCU 10-2
San Diego State 2-10
BYU 10-2

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[Tomorrow]

A true Champion would not ever be "upset", if they can't beat a team that's supposed to be "not as good" then they have no business being called champions. That's the stupidest claim I've read in this entire thread!

SLC

So you're saying that the only possible means of being a champion is to never lose, not a single time? Surely you realize how ridiculous that sounds - in each of many years prior to this one, we wouldn't have had a champion because everyone had a loss. Next time, think about what you're saying before you say it.

Now that you mention it, perhaps only the '72 Dolphins are the only professional team worthy of being a champion - we've never had a MLB, NBA, or NHL team accomplish a full undefeated season, so there never could have been any champions, could there?

Please. Upsets happen.

[dukebound85]

So you're saying that the only possible means of being a champion is to never lose, not a single time? Surely you realize how ridiculous that sounds - in each of many years prior to this one, we wouldn't have had a champion because everyone had a loss. Next time, think about what you're saying before you say it.

Now that you mention it, perhaps only the '72 Dolphins are the only professional team worthy of being a champion - we've never had a MLB, NBA, or NHL team accomplish a full undefeated season, so there never could have been any champions, could there?

Please. Upsets happen.

mlb, nba, nhl, nfl ALL have playoffs to determine the champion:cool:

[MacDawg]

mlb, nba, nhl, nfl ALL have playoffs to determine the champion:cool:

Ah, but according to SLC a true champion will never lose... ever
A true Champion would not ever be "upset"

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[SLC Flyfishing]

So you're saying that the only possible means of being a champion is to never lose, not a single time? Surely you realize how ridiculous that sounds - in each of many years prior to this one, we wouldn't have had a champion because everyone had a loss. Next time, think about what you're saying before you say it.

Now that you mention it, perhaps only the '72 Dolphins are the only professional team worthy of being a champion - we've never had a MLB, NBA, or NHL team accomplish a full undefeated season, so there never could have been any champions, could there?

Please. Upsets happen.

Pull your head out Tomorrow, I'm saying that in a playoff situation if a #1 seed can't get it done against a #18 then they have no business being champion. I know full well that there are years that nobody goes undefeated, but I'm not talking about that. My post referred 100% to a playoff situation, regardless of the records of the teams involved.

SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

Ah, but according to SLC a true champion will never lose... ever


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I already explained this to you once MacDawg, do I really need to do it again?

SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

I like this idea, split the title 4 ways and Utah can merely be "the people's champion"

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Either-split-the-national-championship-or-ignore?urn=ncaaf,131995

SLC

[Tomorrow]

mlb, nba, nhl, nfl ALL have playoffs to determine the champion:cool:

Yes, but SLC's argument is that a true champion should never, ever lose, not even to an inferior team. Playoff or not, that argument doesn't make any sense.

Slightly OT here, but I've never been in favor of rule changes, etc. that would make D-1A football more like NFL football. There are many, many reasons I don't watch the NFL; I don't want to make the one sport I truly love more like it, and that includes expanding a playoff beyond two teams.

I think I've read MacDawg allude to this before, but what I love most about college football is all the conjecture, speculation, supposition, and bantering (collectively known as "arguing") why one team is better than another, or why Team A would beat Team B on a neutral field. Nearly 1,700 posts and counting, and that's on this thread alone. And I'm sure it will go on long after the BCS Championship game is over. An expanded playoff would neuter so much of it.

[dukebound85]

Yes, but SLC's argument is that a true champion should never, ever lose, not even to an inferior team. Playoff or not, that argument doesn't make any sense.

Slightly OT here, but I've never been in favor of rule changes, etc. that would make D-1A football more like NFL football. There are many, many reasons I don't watch the NFL; I don't want to make the one sport I truly love more like it, and that includes expanding a playoff beyond two teams.

I think I've read MacDawg allude to this before, but what I love most about college football is all the conjecture, speculation, supposition, and bantering (collectively known as "arguing") why one team is better than another, or why Team A would beat Team B on a neutral field. Nearly 1,700 posts and counting, and that's on this thread alone. And I'm sure it will go on long after the BCS Championship game is over. An expanded playoff would neuter so much of it.
whats wrong with playoffs? i love march madness. i love mlb playoffs. i like how DIAA has playoffs

it works for everyone else.

Whats the point in doing well in college football but never have a shot at being a champion if you have a stellar year? BYU would never be champion if that were the case

how can anyone support a system that locks out every school that doesnt have media backing..aka bcs. heck the bcs bowls are guranteed to have the bcs conferences play in them. how is that remotely fair? how can such a flawed system be supported

[Tomorrow]

...Utah can merely be "the people's champion"

Nope, that would be The Rock. :p

Seriously, if that's what will make you feel better, go ahead. Ten years from now you can casually mention that National Championship that Utah won back in '09, and people will look at you like you have three eyes. Hang a banner at the stadium and watch it pop up in various photoshopped incarnations on message boards.

Year in, year out, there are always teams that feel like they're getting squeezed out of a shot at the NC. This year your team is one of them. Get in line with USC and Texas. Line up with countless teams from years past. And reserve your spot in years to come, because we've all been there at one time or another.

[Cave Man]

So you're saying that the only possible means of being a champion is to never lose, not a single time?

No, he's not saying that at all. You makin' stuff up?

Next time, think about what you're saying before you say it.

Good advice. Maybe you should take it.

[Cave Man]

I like this idea, split the title 4 ways and Utah can merely be "the people's champion"

Screw that. Utah beat all comers. No other team can say that. Without a playoff, they're the champs. Period.

[Tomorrow]

Pull your head out Tomorrow, I'm saying that in a playoff situation if a #1 seed can't get it done against a #18 then they have no business being champion. I know full well that there are years that nobody goes undefeated, but I'm not talking about that. My post referred 100% to a playoff situation, regardless of the records of the teams involved.

SLC

In a playoff situation, ANY team that loses (regardless of seeding) wouldn't BE the champion (possible exception being the College World Series). Any team that loses the BCS National Championship game won't be the champion, either. So I agree with your logic in this post.

If you can't bring it every single time the game is played, you've no business being called the Champions!

This is the comment I disagree with, which was, in fact, the basis for your arguing in favor of Utah being named the/a National Champion.

[obey908]

utah had one good win...

[Tomorrow]

Whats the point in doing well in college football but never have a shot at being a champion if you have a stellar year? BYU would never be champion if that were the case


Look up who won the 1984 championship.

[dukebound85]

utah had one good win...

riiiiight

[dukebound85]

Look up who won the 1984 championship.

thats exactly why i said byu since they did win it back then:rolleyes:

under today's system, there is no way byu would have been champion.....

[Tomorrow]

utah had one good win...

I have to disagree here - their win over BYU was, in my opinion, a good win. The win over Alabama was a good win, I honestly don't know why more people didn't see that coming - there was never a time I thought Alabama was the best team in the country (four takeaways against LSU and still needed OT to win). The win against TCU was an outstanding win. And I know a lot of people are discounting the win over Oregon State, but until the last week of the regular season they were in the driver's seat for the PAC-10 title.

[obey908]

byu was not a big win. byu's rank was inflated

alabama and i suppose tcu were good wins.

[MacDawg]

Screw that. Utah beat all comers. No other team can say that. Without a playoff, they're the champs. Period.

Well, I guess it is settled then :rolleyes:

thats exactly why i said byu since they did win it back then:rolleyes:

under today's system, there is no way byu would have been champion.....

Do you honestly believe that BYU deserved the national championship in 1984?
They beat a 6-6 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl
It is ridiculous outcomes like that one that make the imperfect BCS at least an improvement.

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[MacNut]

So if you think that number 1 and 2 should always play for the national championship then we should do away with the march madness format and make sure the best teams in basketball always play by default.

[MacDawg]

So if you think that number 1 and 2 should always play for the national championship then we should do away with the march madness format and make sure the best teams in basketball always play by default.

OK ;)

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[MacNut]

OK ;)That would be mighty boring but if you like that sort of thing.

[dukebound85]

So if you think that number 1 and 2 should always play for the national championship then we should do away with the march madness format and make sure the best teams in basketball always play by default.

OK ;)

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i like how march madness is set up

the regular season rankings act solely to give the better teams easier roads to win it all. if you perform well during the season, your seeding will reflect that

if a lower ranked team wins, they will have earned it and be worthy of being the champion

for instance, only pitting 1 vs 2 in nascar would only have the top 2 pole finishers race as everyone else simply isnt in the same bracket lol. but guess what, they seed the best pole finishes by giving them the best starting finishes and if a lower seeded car wins, they will have had to overcome the obstacle of starting way behind the faster cars

i dont see any logic in not supporting a playoff to be frank

its no coincidence that EVERY other sport has a playoff to determine a champ. its simply the best way to declare the champion

[MacNut]

i like how march madness is set up

the regular season rankings act solely to give the better teams easier roads to win it all. if you perform well during the season, your seeding will reflect that

if a lower ranked team wins, they will have earned it and be worthy of being the championAnd that is what makes it good, a sleeper can surprise a great team. The outcome is not pre programed.

[MacDawg]

That would be mighty boring but if you like that sort of thing.

I kid, I kid... the March Madness format works well
But even then, there is a lot of controversy over "bubble" teams

I am not opposed to a playoff... I have said that all along
But... we do NOT have one and we will not get one in the foreseeable future

Soooooo we have to work within the system we have, and that is the BCS
If Utah, et. al. want to compete for the NC, they have to know the system and work within it
If they feel like it penalizes them... then move to the Pac 10 to compete
BC, Miami and VaTech moved to the ACC to enhance their programs and their opportunities

One thing we do know... Whining and complaining will NOT make it so

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[MacNut]

BC, VaTech, and Miami moved for the money not to compete. The Big East is not a small conference.

[dukebound85]

I kid, I kid... the March Madness format works well
But even then, there is a lot of controversy over "bubble" teams

I am not opposed to a playoff... I have said that all along
But... we do NOT have one and we will not get one in the foreseeable future

Soooooo we have to work within the system we have, and that is the BCS
If Utah, et. al. want to compete for the NC, they have to know the system and work within it
If they feel like it penalizes them... then move to the Pac 10 to compete
BC, Miami and VaTech moved to the ACC to enhance their programs and their opportunities

One thing we do know... Whining and complaining will NOT make it so

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There's a difference between a bubble team that goes like 16-15 or something and getting snubbed out of march maddness and a utah team that goes undefeated ranked 6 and beats an alabama team that was a legit title contender a few weeks ago

If no one complains, no changes will ever be made

How about we just abolish conferences and everyone can schedule who they want and have strength of schedule and record be the primary factors in rankings. everbody go all ND style lol

[MacDawg]

BC, VaTech, and Miami moved for the money not to compete. The Big East is not a small conference.

Money, yes... but the Big East was not considered a strong "football" conference either
Even though they get the automatic BCS bid
To be in the National Championship picture every year... being in the ACC was a better move


The bottom line is always going to be $$$$$ for everything

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[dukebound85]

Money, yes... but the Big East was not considered a strong "football" conference either
Even though they get the automatic BCS bid
To be in the National Championship picture every year... being in the ACC was a better move


The bottom line is always going to be $$$$$ for everything

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id say the big east was just as good as the acc if not better football wise before that merger.

who does acc have thats perinally good before those teams? florida state is the obvious in recent history, maybe clemson, maybe georgia tech?

[MacDawg]

How about we just abolish conferences and everyone can schedule who they want and have strength of schedule and record be the primary factors in rankings

Nope... I like the conferences

BTW... here is the latest update

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/conference6.png

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[MacDawg]

id say the big east was just as good as the acc if not better football wise before that merger.

who does acc have thats perinally good before those teams? florida state is the obvious in recent history, maybe clemson, maybe georgia tech?

I disagree... the ACC had far more prestige at the time
Florida State was on a roll too... and that held a lot of sway

The Big East was in decline and the 3 most important members bailed out

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[MacNut]

What the Big East lost in football they gained in basketball.

You could argue that Uconn will be a force in football in a few years. 3 bowls in 5 years, going 2-1

[MacDawg]

What the Big East lost in football they gained in basketball.

You could argue that Uconn will be a force in football in a few years. 3 bowls in 5 years, going 2-1

Yes, Big East basketball is a totally different story
And they lost nothing in VaTech, BC and Miami in that regard

UConn in football still has a way to go, but the Big East has worked hard
Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, WVirginia... they all "saved" the Big East in football

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[cycocelica]

Just the fact that so many people believed there was no possible way for 'Bama to lose makes me laugh. Then the fact that they lost to MWC team is adds to humor. Don't ask me to explain, it's just funny.

As for the Pac-10, they obviously played hard where it mattered most. Hopefully they will be better contenders during the regular season next year.

[MacDawg]

As for the Pac-10, they obviously played hard where it mattered most. Hopefully they will be better contenders during the regular season next year.

Here are the Pac 10 results in their Bowls
5-0 is very good... but the competition was a little lackluster

Rose Bowl - USC 38 Penn State 24
Sun Bowl - Oregon State 3 Pitt 0
Holiday Bowl - Oregon 42 Oklahoma State 31
Emerald Bowl - Cal 24 Miami 17
Las Vegas Bowl - Arizona 31 BYU 21

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[dsnort]

Been gone for a while, lot of posting to catch up on.

And you keep saying Florida lost "late in the season"
USC lost their 3rd game
Florida lost their 4th game
Hardly "late in the season"

Apropos of nothing, but didn't those two games happen in the same week? USC lost on thursday night, Florida on saturday? Could be wrong, but I seem to remember that happening.

Good to see your Dawgs win their bowl game MacDawg, though they did manage to make it closer than it should have been. ( What did they do at half time, give Stafford massive doses of coffee while in a cold shower to sober him up? ) :D

Here is the Dawgs record and standings (AP) from 1997-2008

Coach Richt
2008 10-3 Top 10? (maybe, but Top 15 at least)
2007 11-2 Top 5 (2)
2006 9-4 Top 25 (22)
2005 10-3 Top 10 (10)
2004 10-2 Top 10 (7)
2003 11-3 Top 10 (7)
2002 13-1 Top 5 (3)
2001 8-4 Top 25 (22)

Coach Donnan
2000 8-4 Top 20 (20)
1999 8-4 Top 20 (16)
1998 9-3 Top 20 (14)
1997 10-2 Top 10 (10)

And they're 3-9 against Florida in the same time period, 3-16 if you go back to 1990. Just in case you had forgotten why you hate the Gators!

Great Sugar Bowl for the Utes. They played great! Enjoy your NC talk, you earned it, sort of ! :p

Bama looked like crap! Their secondary couldn't tackle anything more challenging than a drunk co-ed!

Good win for Ole Miss in the Cotton, looks like Nutt has them going in the right direction.

Penn State isn't like other Big 10 schools. They found a new and exciting way to get trashed by USC!

Two things needed for a playoff.

1. NCAA has to figure a way to make a boatload of money off of it without exerting themselves. ( And don't bring up March Madness, football isn't basketball! )

2. Convince the coaches. With the current system, half the teams end their season with a WIN! That's important!

[Tomorrow]

That would be mighty boring but if you like that sort of thing.

It might make for a boring (but definitely shorter) postseason. It would make regular season games much more critical, and there are many more of those.

I wouldn't worry about it, there's too much excitement, tradition, and money involved with the March Madness tournament, it's not going anywhere.

[evilgEEk]

...stuff...

That "stuff" isn't meant as disrespectful to your post, I just didn't want to put "snip" in there, so I put "stuff". :)

Anyway, I think Utah has a GREAT football team, but we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

For the record, I don't think Alabama ever deserved the #1 ranking. They had it because of their reputation, not because of talent. They were 12-0 with a schedule full of mostly mediocre teams. I still didn't think Utah was going to win, even though I wanted them to! Heck, I even sacrificed myself and turned off the game in hopes Utah would win! ...It was awful, the second I got home I turned on the game and it was already 21-0. I was so excited, but then Alabama seemed to be getting all the momentum, so I turned it off. I'm fairly superstitious when it comes to College Football. Heh. But it worked! ;)

And I can be critical about the Utah/TCU game, because it was uuu-gly! Sure, Boise lost by one point to TCU in a fairly ugly game themselves, but I'll admit that. Of course I would have loved to see Boise get the win, but this season was FAAAAARRRR better than what anyone in Boise (except Chris Peterson and the Broncos) expected.

But back to Utah. I say again, I'm really, really excited that they won. I'll even buy the DVD when it comes out! Utah was representing all of the non-BCS with that game, and they proved once again that the non-BCS can't be ignored.

Go Utes! ...until we play you again ;)

[dukebound85]

the game is on hulu.com:)

[Badandy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2eRVomQZO8
stay classy usc

Haha. Please. :rolleyes:

EDIT:

My opinion is simple. To have a legitimate national champion, you need to let teams that have a legitimate claim to being the best in the land earn that distinction. This year, more than two teams had that claim and it's unfair to use some system no one likes to exclude those other teams. I'm not talking about just USC either. I am always critical of SLC but it's pure, unadulterated BS that Utah is not given an opportunity to show their mettle and play for a national championship. Same with Texas, same with USC. In a four team playoff, the winner is the last team standing and there would be little controversy. The only controversy would be who the 5th team that got left out was, but that's a hell of a lot better than what we have now.

Every sport has a playoff because it's important. As someone above me said, you don't just just let UNC play Duke every year for the NCAA championship because they're always ranked highly (let's just assume #1 and #2). A small play off is the best of both worlds: The regular season is hugely important as there would only be 4 or 8 spots to fill. Once those are filled, each team knows that they control their own destiny and the championship is theirs for the taking.

[dmr727]

Arrrgg....I'm finding myself agreeing with Badandy.

I need a drink.

[evilgEEk]

Arrrgg....I'm finding myself agreeing with Badandy.

I need a drink.

Ha ha ha ha ha!!

That's hilarious.

:D

[cycocelica]

Here are the Pac 10 results in their Bowls
5-0 is very good... but the competition was a little lackluster

Rose Bowl - USC 38 Penn State 24
Sun Bowl - Oregon State 3 Pitt 0
Holiday Bowl - Oregon 42 Oklahoma State 31
Emerald Bowl - Cal 24 Miami 17
Las Vegas Bowl - Arizona 31 BYU 21

Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

Well yes I wouldn't say it was the best competition but they were working with what was given to them. Penn State and Ok. St. were good competitors and BYU is good too. But I think for all the criticism that the Pac 10 received this season, they definitely did better where it counted (except maybe Oregon State :P )

[obey908]

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/3250/sabanlaysegghs3.gif
lol

[rhett7660]

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/3250/sabanlaysegghs3.gif
lol

That is good...

[SLC Flyfishing]

For the record, I don't think Alabama ever deserved the #1 ranking. They had it because of their reputation, not because of talent. They were 12-0 with a schedule full of mostly mediocre teams.

And therein lies the biggest part of the rub with the Utes as far as I'm concerned. You feel (and so do a lot of others after the sugar bowl ironically) that Alabama didn't belong. See the thing is, they did belong because they are in the SEC, the fact that they would have easily gone to the NC game this year combined with the fact that a lot of people are suddenly saying they didn't deserve to be in the NC picture pisses me off. So if Bama can get in when they "don't belong", Florida can get in with a loss to a then unranked opponent. Why can't Utah be even considered with an undefeated schedule and wins over a handful of top 25 (some of those top 15) teams. Now that we've beaten the team who was #1 for the biggest part of the season (though many are trying to diminish that by saying they didn't belong afterall) we should absolutely be given a shot.

If nothing else they should hold off on putting 2 teams in the NC game until all the BCS games have been played and look at records and schedules at that point. No doubt Utah would have to be in it if that were to happen. It would require 2 less BCS teams to get in though but I'm fine with that.

A playoff would still be better though!


SLC

[P-Worm]

A poll for Badandy (I kid) (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=pollindex&pollId=65939)

I do find it funny, though, that California didn't vote overwhelmingly in favor of USC.

P-Worm

[swiftaw]

Haha. Please. :rolleyes:

EDIT:

My opinion is simple. To have a legitimate national champion, you need to let teams that have a legitimate claim to being the best in the land earn that distinction. This year, more than two teams had that claim and it's unfair to use some system no one likes to exclude those other teams. I'm not talking about just USC either. I am always critical of SLC but it's pure, unadulterated BS that Utah is not given an opportunity to show their mettle and play for a national championship. Same with Texas, same with USC. In a four team playoff, the winner is the last team standing and there would be little controversy. The only controversy would be who the 5th team that got left out was, but that's a hell of a lot better than what we have now.

Every sport has a playoff because it's important. As someone above me said, you don't just just let UNC play Duke every year for the NCAA championship because they're always ranked highly (let's just assume #1 and #2). A small play off is the best of both worlds: The regular season is hugely important as there would only be 4 or 8 spots to fill. Once those are filled, each team knows that they control their own destiny and the championship is theirs for the taking.

Ok, so you have a 4 team playoff. Which 4 teams? You just listed 5 that you think should be included, Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, and Utah.

[rhett7660]

And therein lies the biggest part of the rub with the Utes as far as I'm concerned. You feel (and so do a lot of others after the sugar bowl ironically) that Alabama didn't belong. See the thing is, they did belong because they are in the SEC, the fact that they would have easily gone to the NC game this year combined with the fact that a lot of people are suddenly saying they didn't deserve to be in the NC picture pisses me off. So if Bama can get in when they "don't belong", Florida can get in with a loss to a then unranked opponent. Why can't Utah be even considered with an undefeated schedule and wins over a handful of top 25 (some of those top 15) teams. Now that we've beaten the team who was #1 for the biggest part of the season (though many are trying to diminish that by saying they didn't belong afterall) we should absolutely be given a shot.

If nothing else they should hold off on putting 2 teams in the NC game until all the BCS games have been played and look at records and schedules at that point. No doubt Utah would have to be in it if that were to happen. It would require 2 less BCS teams to get in though but I'm fine with that.

A playoff would still be better though!


SLC


Wow... you mean because alabama was ranked in the top 25 before the season.. then they beat teams with rankings. Medicore? Please define? Wow.... Sorry there reputation hasn't been good the past 7 years thank you very much, if not longer.

[Badandy]

A poll for Badandy (I kid) (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=pollindex&pollId=65939)

I do find it funny, though, that California didn't vote overwhelmingly in favor of USC.

P-Worm

Of course not. We beat all of the other teams in California so often and are so cocky about it they hate us. :D

[P-Worm]

Of course not. We beat all of the other teams in California so often and are so cocky about it they hate us. :D

Haha. Fair enough.

P-Worm

[SLC Flyfishing]

Wow... you mean because alabama was ranked in the top 25 before the season.. then they beat teams with rankings. Medicore? Please define? Wow.... Sorry there reputation hasn't been good the past 7 years thank you very much, if not longer.

NO I mean because TCU was ranked #12 when we beat them, BYU was #7 at one point and they were #16 when we beat them, Oregon State finished Ranked and took USC off the #1 spot for good, and Alabama was #1 for a big chunk of the season, and #4 when we beat them.

If those wins and an undefeated season don't qualify a team for a National Title bid then I don't know what does, honestly.

If any team from a BCS conference had the same resume, even a lesser known team like Pitt or someone, they'd be in the title game this week.

SLC

[obey908]

my top4 for a playoff would be:
1. florida
2. texas
3. oklahoma
4. utah
top 8
5. usc
6. bama
7. psu
8. lsu or osu- yes i did mean to put lsu

[dukebound85]

my top4 for a playoff would be:
1. florida
2. texas
3. oklahoma
4. utah

id have 5, to include usc and have the #1 bcs team get a bye

[obey908]

haha you guys have to listen to this, its about the 2006 michigan st vs notre dame game
http://houserockbuilt.blogspot.com/2006/09/msu-radio-host-melts-****ing-down-on.html
"They sat there and choked! They choked on APPLESAUCE!"

it gets real good a few minutes in

almost as good as the bama fan who broke down crying on the radio

the link has the "f" word in it, so replace the stars with the real word

[donga]

id have 5, to include usc and have the #1 bcs team get a bye

that wouldn't work... #5 v #2, #4 v #3. then you have three teams left. #1 team gets two bye weeks?

8 team playoff is the best. you'll get at least 1/2 mid majors amongst the "big boys"

[dmr727]

Bah! Stop this playoff talk! There's a GAME on tonight. Texas. Ohio State. Hell YES!

I shall drink one Shiner Bock every time either team scores (TD, FG, or Safety).

Hook'em!!!! :D :D

[SLC Flyfishing]

Bah! Stop this playoff talk! There's a GAME on tonight. Texas. Ohio State. Hell YES!

I shall drink one Shiner Bock every time either team scores (TD, FG, or Safety).

Hook'em!!!! :D :D

None of the other games matter. The champion already played, Friday night in the Sugar Bowl.

SLC

[dmr727]

None of the other games matter. The champion already played, Friday night in the Sugar Bowl.


Our championship hopes died in Lubbock - I'm just rooting for my team, who has a game to play this evening in Phoenix.

[dukebound85]

None of the other games matter. The champion already played, Friday night in the Sugar Bowl.

SLC

lol im a fan of utah/mwc as i went to a mwc school but seriously, time to give it a break;)

[dukebound85]

that wouldn't work... #5 v #2, #4 v #3. then you have three teams left. #1 team gets two bye weeks?

8 team playoff is the best. you'll get at least 1/2 mid majors amongst the "big boys"

good call! I didnt think that scenario through too well obviously

however, i still like my original idea



back to football though
i think i posted this but i forget. anyways i think a good compromise would be to use the bcs as we have it today to seed the top 6 teams for a playoff. have the 1 and 2 teams have a bye for first game

the reason i say 6 is so the bcs can use the same bcs bowls (5 of them)

so have say the 4 bcs bowls be of the following (the would rotate like they do now for both the round games as well as championship game)

Round one
6 vs 3: Rose
5 vs 4: Fiesta

Round 2
1 vs Fiesta champion aka 5vs4 game: Sugar
2 vs Rose champion aka 6vs3 game: Orange

Championship
the finalists of the round 2 games

i think that is a fair compromise with current system as really, 6 teams MAX have a legitiate claim to being the best team. usually far less most years

i dunno thats my opinion at least lol

your utah team is terrible. you play in a terrible conference against terrible teams. do you really want to go to a good bowl game and get embarrassed like hawaii did last year?

If you think your team could compete with bama, florida, texas tech, psu, osu, oklahoma, etc. you are out of your mind.

this post is very funny looking back lol

[obey908]

haha i still stand by the bad conference part.

and i wish bama woulda came ready to play and their all american o-line guy didn't get suspended for the game

[rhett7660]

haha i still stand by the bad conference part.

and i wish bama woulda came ready to play and their all american o-line guy didn't get suspended for the game

You and me both. How I wanted bama to win that game. But for some reason I don't think the loss of this one particular guy would of made much of a difference. Just my opinion. But you have to admit, we did a hell of a lot better then say the last 4 seasons.

[obey908]

i think it made a difference. those 8 or 9 sacks basically all came from his side and his back up was hurt. so by the end of the game they had 2 of the 5 in their normal positions.

but bama's defense still let up 31 points

not taking away from utah, they played great. just wish we could have seen bama at their best also.

[MacDawg]

Bah! Stop this playoff talk! There's a GAME on tonight. Texas. Ohio State. Hell YES!


I'm with you... hook'em horns!


Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

[iDAG]

I'm with you... hook'em horns!


Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

Hook'em Horns! HA! You're funny! Just wait until the Buckeyes stomp all over the longhorns!!! GO BUCKS! :cool:

[obey908]

yea! i usually say buck the ****eyes! but I hate mccoy.

[MacDawg]

Hook'em Horns! HA! You're funny! Just wait until the Buckeyes stomp all over the longhorns!!! GO BUCKS! :cool:

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/hookem.jpg


Seriously... should be a good game

Ohio State is a much better team with Wells and Pryor
But I think the Texas offense has too much firepower for the Buckeyes
Remember what USC and Penn State's offenses did


Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

[obey908]

we didn't do much :( but thats cuz darryl clark suffered a bad concussion in the middle of the 2nd quarter but didn't come out till 6minutes left in the game