2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

[dsnort]

None of the other games matter. The champion already played, Friday night in the Sugar Bowl.

SLC

Sorry, the Sugar Bowl is the game that didn't matter. Neither team is going to be NC. The Utes had a great season, and played a great bowl game.

But come next week, if you want to see the 2008 National Championship trophy, you will have to travel to either Gainesville or Norman.

[MacDawg]

But come next week, if you want to see the 2008 National Championship trophy, you will have to travel to either Gainesville or Norman.

Fixed that for ya! ;)

Boomer Sooner Baby!

I hate the Gators™

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[majordude]

Wow, the University of Phoenix is getting their monies worth out of that toaster of a stadium. This (the Fiesta Bowl) has to be the forth game played there this week! :eek:

And who is the play by play guy on air tonight? He's bad. Sounds like a high school commentator. No emotion. He sounds computer generated. :mad:

[MacDawg]

Wow, the University of Phoenix is getting their monies worth out of that toaster of a stadium. This (the Fiesta Bowl) has to be the forth game played there this week! :eek:

And who is the play by play guy on air tonight? He's bad. Sounds like a high school commentator. No emotion. Sounds computer generated. :mad:

From the Fox website...

FOX Sports’ 2009 BCS campaign continues on Monday, Jan. 5 (7:30 PM ET/4:30 PM PT) when the 3rd-ranked Texas Longhorns meet the 10th-ranked Ohio State Buckeyes in the TOSTITOS FIESTA BOWL. Matt Vasgersian handles play-by-play and is joined in the booth by former USC standout defensive lineman Tim Ryan live from University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. Laura Okmin and Myers report from the sidelines. Jeff Gowen produces and Bill Webb directs.

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[furcalchick]

And who is the play by play guy on air tonight? He's bad. Sounds like a high school commentator. No emotion. He sounds computer generated. :mad:

don't bash matty v. i think he's a great announcer, first heard him do padre games back in 2002-ish. and the no emotion comment is very inaccurate, he's very emotional and very enthusiastic to the point that he may go overboard sometimes, but he's grade a quality.

[MacDawg]

don't bash matty v. i think he's a great announcer, first heard him do padre games back in 2002-ish. and the no emotion comment is very inaccurate, he's very emotional and very enthusiastic to the point that he may go overboard sometimes, but he's grade a quality.

I miss the CBS and ESPN announcers from the regular season :(

Ohio State is looking pretty good
Texas off to a slow start... and their defense is looking vulnerable
(imagine that from a Big 12 school)

1st quarter ending with a missed field goal this time

3-0 Ohio State

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[majordude]

don't bash matty v. i think he's a great announcer, first heard him do padre games back in 2002-ish.

If he was stuck doing Padre games then that is proof positive that he is NOT "Grade A" material.

[dsnort]

Fixed that for ya! ;)

Well, we know it won't be Athens. ( Maybe UGA should switch over to the ACC to get away from the Gators? ) ;)

Wow, the Buckeyes are looking good! Texas needs to find an answer to Beany Wells, 'cause that kind of running game just gets better as the game goes on!

[MacDawg]

Well, we know it won't be Athens. ( Maybe UGA should switch over to the ACC to get away from the Gators? ) ;)

<ignores obvious insult meant to hurt my feelings and make me cry>


Wow, the Buckeyes are looking good! Texas needs to find an answer to Beany Wells, 'cause that kind of running game just gets better as the game goes on!

You ain't kiddin... the Texas defense is showing how soft it is
Also, the Texas offense has no "pop" to it

Texas needs to find a way to keep those broken plays from being long gains

So far... a good game

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[dsnort]

I worry about the Buckeye's not being able to punch it in though, Texas can make up 3 points in a few seconds.

Is it just me, or is OSU not using Beany so much when they get down in close?

[dsnort]

Nuts, you never like to see someone leave on the board.

[MacDawg]

Texas is heating up...


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[dsnort]

Texas is heating up...


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Huge sack for a splash of cold water.

I'm stuck in a hotel room watching this on a snowy TV, may have to go find a sports bar at half time.

[MacDawg]

Never expected a 6-3 half (still a minute left)
That is surprising... very surprising

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[obey908]

dibs mccoys girlfriend :D

[iDAG]

Never expected a 6-3 half (still a minute left)
That is surprising... very surprising

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That is because almost no one here gave Ohio State a chance! I predict there will be a Chris Wells touchdown in the second half! I also predict Ohio State wins 16-9 if this keeps up!

[MacDawg]

That is because almost no one here gave Ohio State a chance! I predict there will be a Chris Wells touchdown in the second half! I also predict Ohio State wins 16-9 if this keeps up!

Chance or no chance for Ohio State... I didn't expect the score to be this low
I thought they would both score... often, but Texas would outscore them

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[obey908]

i predicted wells to run for 150 and 2 td's and pryor to rush for over 50 with 1rushing and 1passing.

i think i predicted osu to win by 7 or 10, i forget

[MacDawg]

i predicted wells to run for 150 and 2 td's and pryor to rush for over 50 with 1rushing and 1passing.

i think i predicted osu to win by 7 or 10, i forget

No TD's yet... so they are going to have to hurry to score those 28 points ;)
Pretty ambitious score

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[obey908]

the overunder was like 52 for this game

[MacDawg]

the overunder was like 52 for this game

Wish I had some of that action right now ;)

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[P-Worm]

Bad call of helmet to helmet contact that leads to a touchdown. Bummer.

P-Worm

Edit: Texas is really turning it on. It's still close but I think Texas is going to have 17 in just a minute or two.

[MacDawg]

3 and outs for Ohio State in the 2nd half

Texas is wearing them down now
17-6 and Ohio State has no answer so far in this half
The hurry up, no huddle offense is killing them

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[SLC Flyfishing]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-utah010509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Read it, then tell me what you think about what the Harris Poll voters admitted to!

SLC

[evilgEEk]

All I gotta say is:

Hook.
'Em.
Horns.

:D:D

[megfilmworks]

Too bad USC didn't play the horns. I'd love to see Colt McCoy against the best defense in the nation!

[NC MacGuy]

F'in longhorns.:mad:

[Avaj]

I'm so glad Texas won, bring it home boys!! :D

[obey908]

****kkkkkk

ohio state outplayed texas though. not impress with mccoy at all

what the hell did ohio st do on that last play? all you had to do was guard the endzone

[iDAG]

Wow, best BCS game by far this year. I just can't believe that the Longhorns beat the buckeyes by three points again. Screw Michigan, I think we have a new rivalry here! Still, not the result I wanted.

[megfilmworks]

Wow, best BCS game by far this year. I just can't believe that the Longhorns beat the buckeyes by three points again. Screw Michigan, I think we have a new rivalry here! Still, not the result I wanted.

Yeah, I agree. If USC had played the horns it wouldn't have been close.
Colt would have been broken.

[majordude]

****kkkkkk what the hell did ohio st do on that last play? all you had to do was guard the endzone

I really can't stand that gum smacking vest wearing Coach Tressel. Glad the Long Horns won!

And you are right, I have no idea why Ohio played up on the line instead of prevent on that last play. It made no sense. Keep everyone in front of you with so little time to play.

What is Ohio's record in bowl games now?!

[jimothyGator]

The Buckeyes ask why Jesus Christ, Colt McCoy's Lord and Savior, hates them. Without him, they would have been at the victory podium.

[P-Worm]

Wow. That game was closer than I think most of us expected.

Now, before SLC jumps in, let me be the first Ute to say that this game shouldn't give Texas any arguments for being national champions. C'mon guys, everyone expected you to slaughter the buckeyes. What happened?

P-Worm

[megfilmworks]

All I can say is 35-3

[obey908]

35-3 with no wells or pryor.. wells is a soft little bitch though, he always takes a little hit then can't play anymore or sits out for a few plays

you guys realize texas was only supposed to win by 9 right?

[megfilmworks]

35-3 with no wells or pryor.. wells is a soft little bitch though, he always takes a little hit then can't play anymore or sits out for a few plays

you guys realize texas was only supposed to win by 9 right?

Do you really think the Horns would have had a chance playing the way they did tonight against USC's awesome defense?
One thing USC does is rise to the big game. (and get stung by the weak sisters)
We need a playoff system.

[dmr727]

Okay first of all, as far as I know, I'm the only Longhorn on this message board. Someone please tell me where I said that we should be National Champions, that we'd beat up on USC, or anything else. Feel free to try and tear me down and rain on my parade. That's fine. But for a team that was supposed to lose at least four this season, I'm happy.

[Avaj]

Okay first of all, as far as I know, I'm the only Longhorn on this message board. Someone please tell me where I said that we should be National Champions, that we'd beat up on USC, or anything else. Feel free to try and tear me down and rain on my parade. That's fine. But for a team that was supposed to lose at least four this season, I'm happy.

Your not alone ;)

a w is w, texas got the w, it doesn't matter how you get as long as you get it :p

[megfilmworks]

Okay first of all, as far as I know, I'm the only Longhorn on this message board. Someone please tell me where I said that we should be National Champions, that we'd beat up on USC, or anything else. Feel free to try and tear me down and rain on my parade. That's fine. But for a team that was supposed to lose at least four this season, I'm happy.
Actually I love the horns second only to my USC team.
I just would have liked to see USC vs Texas instead of Penn State.
Bring on the playoff system. Dump the current BCS model,
And congrats Horns fans!

[SLC Flyfishing]

Your not alone ;)

a w is w, texas got the w, it doesn't matter how you get as long as you get it :p

I agree and my team got all of theirs! :cool:

SLC

[dmr727]

Bah. Don't mind me. I said I'd drink a Shiner for every score, and there were nine, by my count.

So yeah, I'm not seeing too straight. :D

[dmr727]

And congrats Horns fans!

Why thank you! And the G1000 is a great setup. :)

[gauchogolfer]

What an awesome game!

Hook 'em!

[Blazecc]

Well, the college football season is rapidly approaching!

The USA Today/Coaches Poll Preseason Top 25 just came out yesterday,
and yes... my Dawgs are firmly perched on top.

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/top5.png

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/top25.png

I thought we would have a thread to track the season!

But, since it is the preseason still, there are several topics to kick around and express your opinion about:


Who are your top 5 teams going into this season?
Heisman hopefuls? Who is your pick?
Is the SEC truly the best conference? Big 10? Big 12? Pac 10? Big East? ACC?
Paterno v. Bowden and is this the last year for either of them?
What do you think about the BCS?
Should Ohio State be allowed to play for championship again???
Fill in the blank _______________________ with your own!


I know there are a lot of colleges represented on the board, so let's keep it civil but passionate.
Bring your game and make your case for your team(s).


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45 - 42

[gibbz]

Too bad USC didn't play the horns. I'd love to see Colt McCoy against the best defense in the nation!

You mean:
The USC D that played only 3 top 25 offenses.
The USC D that only played 1 top 10 offense.
The USC D that played 7 teams ranked lower than 50.
The USC D that played 4 teams ranked lower than 100.

They played (opponent's offense ranking):
Virginia (115)
Ohio State (42)
Oregon State (32) - loss
Oregon (7)
Arizona State (84)
Washington State (119)
Arizona (16)
Washington (118)
California (27)
Stanford (55)
Notre Dame (68)
UCLA (110)
Penn State (11)

With that schedule I would hope that USC would play good D.

People like to rag on the Big 12 for it's supposed "terrible" D, but consider OU played 8 top 25 offenses, Texas played 6.

[obey908]

finally someone to back me up around here

[RamblinWreck]

not impress with mccoy at all

Definitely wasn't his best game, but at least he came through in the clutch....that's all that matters sometimes. It's hard to say someone passed for 400+ yds and it wasn't their best game.

what the hell did ohio st do on that last play? all you had to do was guard the endzone

I though the exact same thing you did. I have no clue why they didn't pass rush with three and put everyone else in coverage. I guess they can add a prevent package to the playbook next year. :rolleyes:

[obey908]

big10 has weak secondarys :( but we sure can stop the run

psu vs usc proved it more :(

even pryor threw up 200+ on us

Luckily we have a 4star cornerback coming in, and hopefully some others

[megfilmworks]

You mean:
The USC D that played only 3 top 25 offenses.
The USC D that only played 1 top 10 offense.
The USC D that played 7 teams ranked lower than 50.
The USC D that played 4 teams ranked lower than 100.

Yes, the same USC.
Don't kid yourself, every coach and writer agrees.
USC has the best defense bar none.
Playoff system would easily prove that.
Fans love offense (and so does the Borg)
But football lover's know the game is about defense.
Not that USC hasn't proven itself offensively as well.

[gibbz]

Also, there is this popular argument of Big 12 D sucks and SEC D is awesome.

Consider Florida's schedule (opponent's offensive ranking):
Hawaii (54)
Miami, FL. (50)
Tennessee (111)
Mississippi (28) - loss
Arkansas (91)
LSU (30)
Kentucky (87)
Georgia (29)
Vanderbilt (106)
South Carolina (97)
Citadel (ha ha)
Florida State (22)
Alabama (35)

Now OU:
Chattanooga (ha ha)
Cincinnati (56)
Washington (118)
TCU (21)
Baylor (43)
Texas (4) - Loss
Kansas (22)
Kansas State (19)
Nebraska (18)
Texas A&M (65)
Texas Tech (5)
Oklahoma State (9)
Missouri (6)

So,
OU has played 8 top 25 offenses, Florida has played 1.

While it is popular to say that the offense in the Big 12 is a mirage because the defense sucks, one could easily argue that the defenses are made to look bad because of the great offenses. Additionally, while many say the defense in the SEC is spectacular and OU will be dominated by Florida's D, one could argue that the defenses in the SEC are skewed due to bad offenses.

OU is giving up 1.6 points for every possession by the opponent. FU is giving up 1.8 points per opponent possession. Overall stats for OU's defense are skewed by its prolific and fast scoring offense which gives opponents many more possessions and thus opportunities to make yards and score. I mean, geez, OU has scored something like 95 TDs this year on offense, meaning other teams' offenses had more opportunities to score and many late-game opportunities to score when OU was killing them.

I am not saying Florida's D is over-rated. I think it will be a tough test for OU indeed. However, I just get frustrated when people make it sound so cut and dry.

[obey908]

big12 defenses definitely do suck. they don't have one team in the top50 of total defense. texas was #2 at run defense but ohio state had no problems running and their rank is inflated because who runs the ball in the big12?

[MacDawg]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-utah010509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Read it, then tell me what you think about what the Harris Poll voters admitted to!

SLC

This dead horse has been flogged and beaten beyond recognition
Time to move on to congratulating the Longhorns on their win
And to rooting on the Sooners in the NC game


ohio state outplayed texas though. not impress with mccoy at all


Not impressed with McCoy? Really?

http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/mccoy2.png

What more did he need to do to impress you?
41 of 59 for 414 yards and 2 TDs
Rushed for 1 TD
70% completion
136.23 QB rating
And... he won the game

Wow. That game was closer than I think most of us expected.

Now, before SLC jumps in, let me be the first Ute to say that this game shouldn't give Texas any arguments for being national champions. C'mon guys, everyone expected you to slaughter the buckeyes. What happened?

P-Worm

Okay first of all, as far as I know, I'm the only Longhorn on this message board. Someone please tell me where I said that we should be National Champions, that we'd beat up on USC, or anything else. Feel free to try and tear me down and rain on my parade. That's fine. But for a team that was supposed to lose at least four this season, I'm happy.

I don't think anyone on the board, especially dmr727, has been clamoring for a split title for Texas. Now USC and Utah... that's a different story... but neither of them has a legit claim either as far as I am concerned. Congrats to the Longhorns.

I have to admit, I went to bed after the 3rd quarter :o
Wish I had stayed up to watch the finish

45 - 42

Old news, my friend... old news :rolleyes:

Boomer Sooner Baby!
I hate the Gators™

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[SLC Flyfishing]

So did you read the article MacDawg, or did you gloss it over? Because it would be funny if you did since that's what the article is all about.

SLC

[rhett7660]

What a great game last night.... Glad to see the Longhorns pull it out. Can't stand Ohio since they are a bitter rival for my other team. Lose buckeye lose teehee....

Man, Mr. McCoy was on fire last night. 414 yards passing yikes!

[rhett7660]

Also, there is this popular argument of Big 12 D sucks and SEC D is awesome.

Consider Florida's schedule (opponent's offensive ranking):
Hawaii (54)
Miami, FL. (50)
Tennessee (111)
Mississippi (28) - loss
Arkansas (91)
LSU (30)
Kentucky (87)
Georgia (29)
Vanderbilt (106)
South Carolina (97)
Citadel (ha ha)
Florida State (22)
Alabama (35)

Now OU:
Chattanooga (ha ha)
Cincinnati (56)
Washington (118)
TCU (21)
Baylor (43)
Texas (4) - Loss
Kansas (22)
Kansas State (19)
Nebraska (18)
Texas A&M (65)
Texas Tech (5)
Oklahoma State (9)
Missouri (6)

So,
OU has played 8 top 25 offenses, Florida has played 1.

While it is popular to say that the offense in the Big 12 is a mirage because the defense sucks, one could easily argue that the defenses are made to look bad because of the great offenses. Additionally, while many say the defense in the SEC is spectacular and OU will be dominated by Florida's D, one could argue that the defenses in the SEC are skewed due to bad offenses.

OU is giving up 1.6 points for every possession by the opponent. FU is giving up 1.8 points per opponent possession. Overall stats for OU's defense are skewed by its prolific and fast scoring offense which gives opponents many more possessions and thus opportunities to make yards and score. I mean, geez, OU has scored something like 95 TDs this year on offense, meaning other teams' offenses had more opportunities to score and many late-game opportunities to score when OU was killing them.

I am not saying Florida's D is over-rated. I think it will be a tough test for OU indeed. However, I just get frustrated when people make it sound so cut and dry.

This is great if you are just going to take a one year snap shot of a division. Why don't you go and take a look back say over the last 10 years and let us know what you find. I think your numbers might be a little different.

[MacDawg]

So did you read the article MacDawg, or did you gloss it over? Because it would be funny if you did since that's what the article is all about.

SLC

Nope, I read it... meh, it was not compelling reading I'm afraid

While you see it as proof your team is being highly disrespected...
... the truth is, your team is simply irrelevant until it does something big...
Then people go, hmmm, nice team, nice story, and they move on

We will just have to agree to disagree on this
Neither of us going to change our opinions

I'm ready to move on to the The Official BCS National Championship Game™
Oklahoma v. Florida

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[obey908]

What a great game last night.... Glad to see the Longhorns pull it out. Can't stand Ohio since they are a bitter rival for my other team. Lose buckeye lose teehee....

Man, Mr. McCoy was on fire last night. 414 yards passing yikes!

2 passing td's and 1 interception, yikes! :rolleyes:

[jimothyGator]

Also, there is this popular argument of Big 12 D sucks and SEC D is awesome.
...
So,
OU has played 8 top 25 offenses, Florida has played 1.


But only one of those top 25 offences, (#21 TCU) is from outside of the Big 12, so at best, this proves nothing, and at worst it supports the claim that the Big 12's defense sucks.

Seriously, when 7-5 Kansas and 5-7 Kansas State are among the top offenses in college football, how can you argue that Big 12 defenses are anything but anemic?

Fortunately, it's just two more days before this all gets settled on the field. Florida: 35, Oklahoma: 17.

[obey908]

i think florida will win by more than that. i am thinking 45-17

i hate the big12 hype

[dmr727]

When I came in here saying I'd drink a Shiner for each score, I'm kind of disappointed nobody said, "You know dmr, that might not be such a good idea."

Ow. I'm pretty sure a cat crapped in my mouth.

[rhett7660]

Well, one more game left.... lets here it. Who wants who...

Me: Oklahoma...... die gators die...

[gibbz]

But only one of those top 25 offences, (#21 TCU) is from outside of the Big 12, so at best, this proves nothing, and at worst it supports the claim that the Big 12's defense sucks.

Seriously, when 7-5 Kansas and 5-7 Kansas State are among the top offenses in college football, how can you argue that Big 12 defenses are anything but anemic?

Fortunately, it's just two more days before this all gets settled on the field. Florida: 35, Oklahoma: 17.

My point wasn't to say Big 12 defenses are great, I am saying they are skewed due to prolific offenses. Kansas and Kansas State are good teams, not good enough to beat the top teams in the league. Their record doesn't mean anything in regards to how good their offense is.

But, using your logic, let's look at the SEC hyped defenses (team record, D rank):
Florida (12-1, 4)
Georgia (10-3, 59)
Vanderbilt (7-6, 22)
South Carolina (7-6, 30)
Tennessee (5-7, 10)
Kentucky (7-6, 36)
Alabama (12-2, 7)
Mississippi (9-4, 21)
LSU (8-5, 57)
Auburn (5-7, 15)
Arkansas (5-7, 94)
Mississippi State (4-8, 60)

Seriously, when 5-7 Tennessee and 5-7 Auburn are among the top defenses in college football, how can you argue that SEC offenses are anything but anemic?

My point is that people like you say that Big 12 defense is terrible, making the offenses look good. I say it is somewhere in the middle where the Big 12 offenses are so good, that the defenses looks bad. Also, people tout the SEC defenses as being awesome making the offenses look lower than they are. I say it is somewhere in the middle where the SEC offenses are unimpressive to the point that the defenses look good. It is a circular argument and I am just saying that it is not cut and dry like you make it.

Again, OU's offense has scored a record number of points this year. Thus their opponents have had more opportunities to score than most teams. Not too mention, OU rolled a lot of teams in the first half of games, meaning people were throwing all over the field in the second half. If you look at the number of points given up per opponents' possession, OU is giving up 1.6 points/possession, Florida is giving up 1.8 points/possession. Numbers are skewed in both leagues.

[Avaj]

going with OU

Sam the man;)

[P-Worm]

Haha. This site made me laugh. Check it out.

http://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com

By transitive logic, this site can 'prove' that Weber St. has a better team this year than the Florida Gators. Weber St. vs. Florida (http://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/default.asp?winner=Weber+St&loser=Florida)

For even more fun, you can pick two teams, have it prove your team's superiority, then tell the system to flip the two teams and it will prove it the other way around.

Hours of fun!

P-Worm

P.S. Just in case anyone is wondering, the system has no way to prove that a team is better than Utah this year. :cool:

[MacDawg]

Georgia (10-3, 59)


You just HAD to bring that up didn't you :rolleyes:
Our defense sucked most of the year and hurt us in all 3 losses
All of our coordinators were sought out for jobs...
Searels the OL coach interviewed by Auburn
Garner the Assistant Head Coach and recruiter extraordinaire by Tennessee
Martinez the Defensive Coordinator?? Crickets... nobody wants him
I don't either ;)


Me: Oklahoma...... die gators die...

I hate the Gators™

This game can go either way... but I am rooting for the Sooners
Will it surprise me if Florida wins and wins big? No
I have seen it happen too many times :(
But I sure hope it doesn't happen! ;)
Boomer Sooner Baby!!

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[dmr727]

Yeah, I hate to say it, but I think I'm pulling for the Sooners here. But it'll be a cold day in hell before anyone gets a Boomer Sooner out of me! :D

[MacDawg]

Yeah, I hate to say it, but I think I'm pulling for the Sooners here. But it'll be a cold day in hell before anyone gets a Boomer Sooner out of me! :D

Baby steps... baby steps...


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[jimothyGator]

Baby steps... baby steps...


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Where's your SEC loyalty, man?

[MacDawg]

Where's your SEC loyalty, man?

Applies to everyone but the Gators ;)

I hate the Gators™


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[gibbz]

This is great if you are just going to take a one year snap shot of a division. Why don't you go and take a look back say over the last 10 years and let us know what you find. I think your numbers might be a little different.

The title of the thread is 2008/9 .... thus I am only talking in regards to this year.

Hey SLC, did you see this? Utah AG looking into antitrust violations with BCS (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3814472).

[MacDawg]

Latest conference bowl records
The Big 10 had a tough bowl season with only Iowa getting a win

The WAC had a rough go of it too
The MWC, for all the chest bumping on the board, was just average
The Big East did surprisingly well

If Oklahoma beats the Gators, they will move ahead of the SEC

Yes, the Pac 10 went 5-0 :rolleyes:
I addressed that a few pages back

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[rhett7660]

Applies to everyone but the Gators ;)

I hate the Gators™


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Amen to that.......

[Badandy]

The simple fact is that Texas needed late game heroics to win a game against the Buckeyes when Beanie Wells didn't play half of the game. We absolutely FLOGGED them earlier in the season, but Beanie was out the whole game.

35-3

And they had all of their vaunted defense available as well. We made Laurinitis and Malcolm Jenkins look like high schoolers.

[dmr727]

The simple fact is that Texas needed late game heroics to win a game against the Buckeyes when Beanie Wells didn't play half of the game.

Interesting that you dismissed that same logic when faced with it by PSU fans. And you guys didn't even beat Oregon State.

[RamblinWreck]

Anyone watching the GMAC bowl on right now? Yeah, I know, who cares about the game, but they are playing in a downpour right now.

[MacDawg]

Anyone watching the GMAC bowl on right now? Yeah, I know, who cares about the game, but they are playing in a downpour right now.

Ha, Ha... you are actually watching that game??
They probably ought to address you personally by name when they make their calls!

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[dmr727]

Heh - that's awesome. I love football played in the elements.

[evilgEEk]

Ha, Ha... you are actually watching that game??

I don't care if it's Tulsa and Ball State or not, it's still college football, and there ain't much left of it this season so I'm watching all that I can!

I'm honestly surprised it was so one-sided. I put it all on Hoke leaving.

The stands are COMPLETELY empty, and have been with about 5 minutes left in the game. Heh.

[Badandy]

Interesting that you dismissed that same logic when faced with it by PSU fans. And you guys didn't even beat Oregon State.

I was hoping no one would catch that :D

[dmr727]

I was hoping no one would catch that :D

It's okay, you and I both know that I wouldn't be too thrilled with playing USC right now. But I gotta keep ya' honest nonetheless! :)

[MacDawg]

It's okay, you and I both know that I wouldn't be too thrilled with playing USC right now. But I gotta keep ya' honest nonetheless! :)

Actually... I had a post ready with basically the same thing and deleted it because I wanted you to respond dmr727 since the Longhorns are your team. Right when I deleted I saw your post... so I was glad I did. ;)

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[obey908]

lol utah is suing the bcs

[dukebound85]

lol utah is suing the bcs

they have a good point so i dont see why you use "lol"

here's the article
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3814472

[MacDawg]

lol utah is suing the bcs

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[dukebound85]

^^ the bcs has never been fair to all teams. i dont see how anyone can support it when some schools have no dream of ever winning a title even if every thing works for them that year.....aka utah for example

must be great to support a "have" school as opposed to a "have not" school huh?

[obey908]

they don't have ****. schedule all your non conference games against good bcs schools, do well, then talk. utah would never survive week after weak in a good bcs conference. they do not have the depth or as much talent

[dukebound85]

they don't have ****. schedule all your non conference games against good bcs schools, do well, then talk. utah would never survive week after weak in a good bcs conference. they do not have the depth or as much talent

once again, you are assuming the MWC is crap talent wise which is simply not true

how many BCS games do the Utes have to win before you change your tune? They are 2-0 as heavy underdogs and won both convincingly:rolleyes:. The fact that non-bcs schools are 3-1 in bcs bowl games should say something....or do you just apparently count all those wins as flukes? lol

The MWC fared very well against the Pac-10, i think 6-2 including bowl games and actually won their bcs bowl game. You know, the same conference that went undefeated in bowl games this year

your big 10 conference never seems to deliver on the otherhand....

[MacDawg]

your big 10 conference never seems to deliver on the otherhand....

He does have a point there ;)

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[obey908]

big 10 is down.

but psu woulda smashed texas. we run the ball better than osu, we pass better, and play a little better defense

utah got lucky against bama

[dukebound85]

big 10 is down.

but psu woulda smashed texas. we run the ball better than osu, we pass better, and play a little better defense

utah got lucky against bama

the big 10 has been down for a while now

against psu, i still would have betted on texas winning lol

and utah didnt get lucky against alabama. going undeafeated is not "luck" either. why does no one give credit where credit's due?

[MacDawg]

utah got lucky against bama

Ouch... not even a big SEC homer like me would say that...

Utah outplayed Bama
They were better prepared, executed better and had more energy

Bama was flat and they never were in the game until it was too late

How much of that was due to the SEC Championship game, etc. nobody can say

But I wouldn't say Utah was lucky
They are a good team that played a great game
Bama wet the bed

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[obey908]

macdawg...you know what would have happened if bama came ready to play..

[obey908]

the big 10 has been down for a while now

against psu, i still would have betted on texas winning lol

and utah didnt get lucky against alabama. going undeafeated is not "luck" either. why does no one give credit where credit's due?

i was giving credit to utah but now they are just getting annoying. suing the bcs? wtf

and we (psu) usually win our bowl games, usc game was dumb

[MacDawg]

macdawg...you know what would have happened if bama came ready to play..

Yep... but they didn't... they screwed the pooch
It was embarrassing to watch as an SEC fan

I was scared the Dawgs would do the same last year after being screwed out of the NC game, but they came out and kicked Hawaii's a**. Bama should have done the same, but they didn't. I was most disappointed in their preparation and intensity. The coaches didn't have them ready to play and it showed.

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[dukebound85]

i was giving credit to utah but now they are just getting annoying. suing the bcs? wtf

so if psu and utah had their roles reversed, you still woulnt agree with it if it was your team that has an unfair advantage from the start?

change wont happen until situations like this arise

[obey908]

it is happening to psu in basketball..we were like 12-1 and not ranked, but it is because we play ****** out of conference teams, and i fully understand that

we just beat #13 purdue tonight :D

[MacDawg]

change wont happen until situations like this arise

It will take much more than a disgruntled Utah team to change the BCS

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[dukebound85]

It will take much more than a disgruntled Utah team to change the BCS

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need to start somewhere

playoff talks have been going on for years. the utah game only gave more support to moving in that direction

[obey908]

i admitted that utah outplayed bama that night and gave them credit for that night.

utah just crossed the biggest bitch/cry baby line after the lawsuit against the bcs. i don't even have the slightest bit of respect for them anymore

[dukebound85]

i admitted that utah outplayed bama that night and gave them credit for that night.

utah just crossed the biggest bitch/cry baby line after the lawsuit against the bcs. i don't even have the slightest bit of respect for them anymore

the University of Utah isn't the one suing the bcs:cool:

[obey908]

fine screw the whole state of utah! :p

[MacDawg]

the University of Utah isn't the one suing the bcs:cool:

Utah Attorney General

And it is more about money than anything else :rolleyes:
Imagine that

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[dukebound85]

Utah Attorney General

And it is more about money than anything else :rolleyes:
Imagine that

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which is important if teams want to be competitive resource wise when getting recruits

non bcs conferences are facing an uphill battle the entire way

[evilgEEk]

I haven't read the details of the lawsuit, so I can't make a very educated comment...

But I will get behind anyone suing the BCS, because as money is the only thing the BCS Committee cares about it's nice to see someone else hit them in the pocketbook.

I say good for them. :)



....Utah got lucky..? Oh, and here I thought it was just a good ol' fashion Southern Beatdown! ..I guess I was wrong.

[MacDawg]

Some answers today on the 2009 Dawgs season
I would like to see them both return
I think Stafford needs another year before the NFL, he started as true freshman

Stafford, Moreno to announce NFL decisions today
By CHIP TOWERS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Wednesday, January 07, 2009

Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford and tailback Knowshon Moreno will reveal at a 3 p.m. press conference today their decisions whether or not to submit their names for the NFL draft by the January 15 deadline for underclassmen.

That’s according to John Stafford, Matthew’s father.

“Coach [Mark] Richt, Matthew and Knowshon I believe as well are going to have a press confererence today at 3 o’clock Eastern time,” John Stafford said as he drove from Dallas to Athens early Wednesday morning. “I’m not going to reveal what Matthew’s decision is because it’s his decision and I want him to announce it. He went through the arduous process of trying to figure it out. He’s come to grips with it. So it’s up to him to speak about it.”

Mr. Stafford said his son consulted Kansas City Chiefs scout Mike Hagen, a friend of the family, as well as neighbor Troy Aikman and current NFL quarterbacks Peyton Manning and Jay Cutler about his decision. He also talked to Richt and offensive coordinator Mike Bobo at Georgia.

Richt said earlier this week that he’d talked to both players but wasn’t trying to heavily influence their decisions.

“There’s been some of contact but, again, I don’t want to put any undo pressure on these young men,” Richt said. “I want what’s best for them. They have to figure it out for themselves what that is. All I can say is, if they stay I want their whole heart. I want them to do it because they want to do it. I want them to love the place and believe in what we’re doing, love the people and want to do great things. I want them to want to be part of a great team and a great program. I don’t want a guy who is only half-hearted.

“But I will say this: If Matthew or Knowshon come back it will be because their heart said to. I’m not worried about those guys. If they stay it’s because they love it here and they want to help us win a championship.”

Stafford set a school record with 25 passing touchdowns this past season. He threw for 3,459 yards this past season and has 7,731 yards with 51 TDs and 33 interceptions in three seasons as Georgia’s starting quarterback. He was named MVP of the Capital One Bowl last week with 250 yards and three TDs.

Moreno, a redshirt sophomore, had an even 1,400 yards rushing and 18 TDs this past season. He has 2,734 yards in two seasons as the Bulldogs’ featured tailback.

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[rhett7660]

^^

That is good for both of them if they do go in to the draft. But that is going to suck for your team next year. Do you have any backups for either position?

[MacDawg]

^^

That is good for both of them if they do go in to the draft. But that is going to suck for your team next year. Do you have any backups for either position?

Caleb King and Richard Samuel are both very capable backs
And I am sure there are others waiting in the wings

Joe Cox will be the odds on favorite to start at QB

But, the true freshman kid out of Florida, Aaron Murray may push him

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[SLC Flyfishing]

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This guy has no respect for Utah as a Team, Instiution, or State? Somehow I don't really feel any worse off for that, if fact I think it's better to not have folks like this on our side.

Believe me obey908, in a year where we have an undefeated season and a well supported (publicly) claim on the football National Title, an up and coming Basketball program, a whole host of other quality athletics teams, a faculty member who took a Nobel Prize this year, and a student who took a McArthur genius grant, we really don't need your support in any way shape of form.

We're doing just fine without you, and if all of our success annoys you, well I can't say I'm surprised. People generally tend to pass off frustration as annoyance.

SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

Fixed that for ya MacDawg!

SLC

[MacDawg]

Fixed that for ya MacDawg!

SLC

Not bad, not bad at all... I'll rank it a 2 or a 3 on a poll of Top 10 ;)

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[SLC Flyfishing]

Not bad, not bad at all... I'll rank it a 2 or a 3 on a poll of Top 10 ;)

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Good one!

Have to admit I laughed at that.

SLC

[RamblinWreck]

Ha, Ha... you are actually watching that game??
They probably ought to address you personally by name when they make their calls!

Gotta watch every game while we still can....after tomorrow, college football disappears for a few long agonizing months :(

[obey908]

This guy has no respect for Utah as a Team, Instiution, or State? Somehow I don't really feel any worse off for that, if fact I think it's better to not have folks like this on our side.


:rolleyes: did you not see the smiley face after i said screw the whole state of utah? it was a joke. but you are right, i don't respect utah as an academic institution, I did respect utah's football team until they took the complaining too far. I hope your lawsuit brings a playoff

[P-Worm]

Gotta watch every game while we still can....after tomorrow, college football disappears for a few long agonizing months :(

Sad isn't it? I don't care for the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, the MLB, or whatever. Even college basketball isn't that interesting to me until March.

Here's to another season of college football.

P-Worm

[Avaj]

Gotta watch every game while we still can....after tomorrow, college football disappears for a few long agonizing months :(

Isn't that the truth :(

[obey908]

least we will have college football live on espn for 30minutes every day

[gibbz]

This guy has no respect for Utah as a Team, Instiution, or State? Somehow I don't really feel any worse off for that, if fact I think it's better to not have folks like this on our side.

Believe me obey908, in a year where we have an undefeated season and a well supported (publicly) claim on the football National Title, an up and coming Basketball program, a whole host of other quality athletics teams, a faculty member who took a Nobel Prize this year, and a student who took a McArthur genius grant, we really don't need your support in any way shape of form.

We're doing just fine without you, and if all of our success annoys you, well I can't say I'm surprised. People generally tend to pass off frustration as annoyance.

SLC

And your point is? Other schools have had those credentials for a long time. And many of those schools aren't 'upcoming', but have been established for quite awhile.

As far as Utah and non-BCS teams in big games, I think that circumstances need to be considered.

In 2004, Utah beat the #21 ranked 8-4 Pitt team who won the Big East. Congrats on the win, but who cares? It was a mediocre win versus a mediocre team from a mediocre conference.

In 2006, Boise beat my Sooners in one hell of a game. While credit must be given for the win, the Sooners were in a lose/lose situation. They were ranked #7, not playing for the national title, against a team that had far less talent in the No One Cares Fiesta Bowl. If they win, who cares? They were expected to do so, ho-hum. If they lost, well, how does OU lose to Boise?

This year, Utah beat #4 Alabama. The same Alabama team that missed out on a national title spot after starting 12-0 because they had to play a conference title game. Alabama could care less about playing in the Sugar Bowl after the dream they had been so close to all year long had been lost in their last game. What did they have to gain? Nothing.

Firstly, proper credit must be given to those teams for winning. The teams had to do it on the field and they did. However, making the leap that based on these three wins that non-BCS schools are as talented and deserving of a national title is a stretch. All they prove is that given one month+ of preparation mixed with far greater motivation than the teams they were playing, non-BCS schools can pull off a win in a one-game opportunity.

To assume because they won a one-game matchup in these situations that Utah should be considered a national power is a bit laughable. Yes, Utah can only play the schedule they are given, but until they play a schedule comparable to the BCS schools, don't complain that Utah isn't considered for a national title. They play in a 9-team league in which 6 teams are ranked 40th or worse in offense, of which 5 are 69th or worse. 6 teams are ranked 45th or worse in defense, of which 4 are 59th or worse.

The non-conference wins came against a terrible Michigan team, Utah State, Weber State, and an 8-4 Oregon State team (please no transitive logic about OSU beating USC), none of which are that impressive. Utah was ranked 31 in schedule strength (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2008/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_cumm.pdf). Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, were 1, 2, 3 -- all of whom Utah wants a claim over for a national title.

Ok, so you have 2 other ranked teams. Let's look at TCU. Non-conference saw wins against Stephen F. Austin, Stanford, and Southern Methodist -- no impressive wins. Their one ranked non-conference game was then #2 OU, where they lost. Now let's look at BYU. Non-conference saw wins against Northern Iowa, Washington, UCLA, and Utah State -- no impressive wins.

To conclude, I am not dogging Utah. Congrats on the win. That win only shows that non-BCS teams can win given a month+ to prepare. However, until such schools in the MWC can prove that they could win week in and week out against ranked and competitive opponents (TCU showed they couldn't against OU this year at least), they have no ground to bitch about being screwed out of a national title. Put Utah in the Big 12, SEC, or any other BCS conference and prove that they could win week in and out. I would bet they wouldn't come close to being undefeated.

[obey908]

well done

[SLC Flyfishing]

Put Utah in the Big 12, SEC, or any other BCS conference and prove that they could win week in and out. I would bet they wouldn't come close to being undefeated.

Well we kicked the **** out of a team that did so I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Did Bama just not show up because they weren't in the title, that seems just a little bit too convenient to your argument bro.

If bama didn't show up, screw them! That just proves even more how spoiled and pathetic BCS teams are. They can't get up to play in any game that doesn't "benefit" them. Well I can tell you that losing the Sugar Bowl in the fashion they did will be a stain on them going into next year, and they will have to work even harder to get the pollsters to give them a chance.

Utah's SOS was higher than Alabama's even though Alabama plays in the SEC, how are you going to explain that one away? Yet even though our SOS was higher, and we went undefeated, we can't be considered for the title? You'll have to explain that one to me as well, and none of this "Utah wouldn't be undefeated in the SEC or Big 12" garbage, because it's quite obvious this year that being undefeated isn't a requirement for the title if your in those conferences. If Bama had gone undefeated or even lost a game during the regular season, and merely beaten Florida they'd be playing tomorrow for the title. Yet Utah has definitively proven that they are a much stronger team AND THEY DID GO UNDEFEATED with a stronger schedule. So is the fact that they play in the Mountain West and not the Pac 10 (who the MWC owned this year by the way) the only reason that they can't be permitted to play for the title? If so then this system has to go, because that is in fact the definition of what the anti-trust act was designed to protect against. I hope this season and the lawsuit that may result removes the BCS so Utah and Boise State can finally get the title they deserve.

In the article I posted a link to a few days ago, a whole hose of harris poll voters admitted to not watching Utah play outside of the highlights on Sportscenter, and now claim that they would have ranked Utah much higher if they'd make the effort to watch them play, so we can safely assume that if there wasn't this anti mid-major bias in the media, Utah might very well be playing for the title right now, even with their "unimpressive schedule". Because even though the Harris poll folks didn't watch them, they still managed to be ranked #6.

You can dance around the fact all day my friend, but Utah was shafted. I for one hope that this season does what it takes to get rid of this ****** plan for electing a College Football National Champion. In the words of Jim Rome, could this years title game be any more insignificant after what has happened to Utah?

SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

Whoa,

Take a look at this article!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3815656

SLC

[obey908]

that article sucks

[RamblinWreck]

MacDawg is about to have his fears come true. Press conference today where both Stafford and Moreno are expected to announce their entrance into the NFL draft. Good day to be a Tech fan.

I think they are both entering too early though. Moreno will be put in a role similar to Reggie Bush, where I think he believes he's the next Adrian Peterson. And I'm not quite sure if Stafford is ready to play in the NFL. Another year of college football will be much more beneficial to his development compared to rushing into the NFL.

[obey908]

you guys have to watch this 4year old's reaction to texas beating ohio state
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koaVqoCu-H0

i would put him on suicide watch if michigan starts beating osu again lol

[SLC Flyfishing]

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that article sucks

Says Obey908 :D

Because it's not singing Penn State's praises I suppose? Right?

SLC

[obey908]

no because he didn't prove anything.

when he said, because usc lost to oregon state, and utah beat oregon state, therefore utah is better. he tossed away any credibility he may have had

[gibbz]

Utah's SOS was higher than Alabama's even though Alabama plays in the SEC, how are you going to explain that one away? Yet even though our SOS was higher, and we went undefeated, we can't be considered for the title? You'll have to explain that one to me as well, and none of this "Utah wouldn't be undefeated in the SEC or Big 12" garbage, because it's quite obvious this year that being undefeated isn't a requirement for the title if your in those conferences. If Bama had gone undefeated or even lost a game during the regular season, and merely beaten Florida they'd be playing tomorrow for the title. Yet Utah has definitively proven that they are a much stronger team AND THEY DID GO UNDEFEATED with a stronger schedule.

I was actually pretty generous with the link I gave you. The NCAA merely ranked the schedule strength based on opponent's win/loss record, and not the quality of said opponents. That is extremely misleading in some cases. For instance, Utah beat 10-4 Weber St. in the Big Sky. I would place money that a 4-8 Baylor team would beat Weber St. Here are some other sources that give alternate strength of schedules based on quality of opponent, which have Utah's SoS ranked:

BCS Computers
Sagarin - 70th (Alabama 58th) (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt08.htm)
A&H 64th (Alabama 43rd) (http://andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html)
Colley 73rd (Alabama 38th) (http://www.colleyrankings.com/currank.html)
Massey 36th (Alabama 15th) (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf)

Others
99th (Alabama 24th) (http://www.philsteele.com/FBS%20Info/toughestschedule.html)
101st (Alabama 56th) (http://www.gberatings.com/sos/)
83rd (Alabama 41st) (http://www.solecismic.com/frontier/sos9.php)
96th (Alabama 7th) (http://www.nationalchamps.net/2008/sub/sos/index.htm)

I could list more, but I think the above about says it all. Your SoS argument is invalid. They did not 'definitely' prove anything about being a stronger team with a weaker schedule and weaker conference.

Well we kicked the **** out of a team that did so I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Did Bama just not show up because they weren't in the title, that seems just a little bit too convenient to your argument bro.

These are young kids who had the dream of a national title ripped from them in their last game. They came so close but just fell short. After that, it is only human to be less than motivated in a game that they don't want to be in. So yeah, I can easily see why Alabama would not be as motivated to play in the Sugar Bowl against Utah.Like I said, it shows that given motivation and a month to prepare, Utah can win a one-game matchup against a good team. They still haven't proven they can do it in a one week in and out scenario because of the weak MWC.

If bama didn't show up, screw them! That just proves even more how spoiled and pathetic BCS teams are. They can't get up to play in any game that doesn't "benefit" them. Well I can tell you that losing the Sugar Bowl in the fashion they did will be a stain on them going into next year, and they will have to work even harder to get the pollsters to give them a chance.

I disagree. Oklahoma has lost 4 straight BCS games and still there they are with voters' support. Similar with Ohio State. This loss means nothing to Alabama's next year ranking. They will assess the returning talent and perceived schedule strength, not this loss to Utah.

So is the fact that they play in the Mountain West and not the Pac 10 (who the MWC owned this year by the way) the only reason that they can't be permitted to play for the title? If so then this system has to go, because that is in fact the definition of what the anti-trust act was designed to protect against. I hope this season and the lawsuit that may result removes the BCS so Utah and Boise State can finally get the title they deserve.

Who cares about the Pac 10. They suck as a whole this year. I wouldn't brag about MWCs 6-1 record against the Pac 10 because they included wins against Washington (0-12), UCLA (4-8), Stanford (5-7), Arizona State (5-7). The two best wins were against Arizona (8-5) and Oregon State (9-4), middle of the road types. The loss was to California (9-4). So congratulations, you owned teams with combined record of 31-43 (.419). I would hardly say they deserve anything. Your conference on an up year, with the domination of the PAc 10's worst teams, was ranked by Sagarin below the Pac 10. See here for his conference rankings (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm).

In the article I posted a link to a few days ago, a whole hose of harris poll voters admitted to not watching Utah play outside of the highlights on Sportscenter, and now claim that they would have ranked Utah much higher if they'd make the effort to watch them play, so we can safely assume that if there wasn't this anti mid-major bias in the media, Utah might very well be playing for the title right now, even with their "unimpressive schedule". Because even though the Harris poll folks didn't watch them, they still managed to be ranked #6.

I doubt it. They say what they do after knowing that Utah won. It is used to create a controversy. What about the coaches? The weak MWC and the lack of any impressive non-conference wins caused Utah a national title, not the media. That is a weak argument.

You can dance around the fact all day my friend, but Utah was shafted. I for one hope that this season does what it takes to get rid of this ****** plan for electing a College Football National Champion. In the words of Jim Rome, could this years title game be any more insignificant after what has happened to Utah?
SLC

You were hardly screwed. Utah played in a weak league. Your teams had no impressive non-conference wins. When your league had a shot against an elite league in the Big 12 MWC teams lost to Oklahoma (12-1), Colorado (5-7), and Texas A&M (4-8). You did manage a win against Iowa State (2-10).

Utah had a great year, but frankly the crying and whining is a bit annoying at this point. I'm sorry, but your team's SoS, and the MWCs quality means that your undefeated season is less impressive than even a 1-loss team from the Big 12 or SEC. The win you had in the bowl game was NOT in the BCS national title game. It came after a month of preparation time against an unmotivated team. It was a deserved win, but again, your league proved this year that under a week to week basis, it could not beat high quality opponents. Again, put Utah in the Big 12 and I would bet they would be nowhere close to national title talks, let alone undefeated.

Defend those stats.

[Cave Man]

Whoa,

Take a look at this article!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3815656

SLC

See, I told you this a few days ago. ;)

that article sucks

The article's dead-on right. The only thing left out was that the Big Ten should lose its automatic BCS game.

Defend those stats.

Utah went undefeated. End of story.

[gibbz]

Utah went undefeated. End of story.

In a terrible conference with no impressive non-conference wins in the regular season. Using your logic, a team could have wins against teams who were all winless, yet because they are undefeated, they deserve a national title. Please. That is a weak argument. At least SLC tries with some logic.

End of story.

[obey908]

gibbz..it is worthless to argue with utah fans. all they say is "we are undefeated that makes us national champions"

[majordude]

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Is that Jamie Farr (Klinger) from M.A.S.H.?

[gibbz]

gibbz..it is worthless to argue with utah fans. all they say is "we are undefeated that makes us national champions"

Yeah it seems so. I don't know why they can't just enjoy a great year without whining. A bit of the step brother syndrome. I would like to hear them defend some of the points I made above. Unfortunately, all I hear is the same rhetoric.

That is alright. I will enjoy the game tomorrow when OU and Florida play for the BCS national title, a title and system that all schools agreed to play under before the season.

[MacDawg]

Stafford and Moreno have left the building :(

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[Cave Man]

In a terrible conference with no impressive non-conference wins in the regular season. Using your logic, a team could have wins against teams who were all winless, yet because they are undefeated, they deserve a national title. Please. That is a weak argument. At least SLC tries with some logic.

End of story.

Doesn't matter. Utah beat everyone they played. No other team can say that. I saw them play three times this year - they are fast, strong, disciplined and cohesive. No other team looks like them (except maybe Florida). The BCS is set up so that no team from a non-BCS conference can win and I hope the Utah AG does file suit. It's costing them more than a championship - it's costing them money.

gibbz..it is worthless to argue with utah fans. all they say is "we are undefeated that makes us national champions"

Nope, not me. I'm an alum of a Big 12 school and I'm rooting for OK (despite the fact that I despise them). It's just that in the light of the circumstances (i.e., no settlement on the field) Utah is the only one that can claim its unbeatable.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Yeah it seems so. I don't know why they can't just enjoy a great year without whining. A bit of the step brother syndrome. I would like to hear them defend some of the points I made above. Unfortunately, all I hear is the same rhetoric.

That is alright. I will enjoy the game tomorrow when OU and Florida play for the B.S. national title, a title and system that all schools agreed to play under before the season.

I would defend against your arguments, not that I need to (my school doesn't have to defend anything, they were perfect). But if you're just going to call all my points "the same rhetoric" there isn't really much point to it is there?

It's like arguing with a brick wall! You can put forth your best argument all day long, but in the end it's not going to be acknowledged as valid.

SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

Is that Jamie Farr (Klinger) from M.A.S.H.?

No sir, that is our very own Obey908 right there!

[SLC Flyfishing]

no because he didn't prove anything.

when he said, because usc lost to oregon state, and utah beat oregon state, therefore utah is better. he tossed away any credibility he may have had

Well I disagree, and suspect most do as well. And this is the headlining piece on ESPN's front page today!

SLC

[donga]

Stafford and Moreno have left the building :(

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eh, you'll have guys step up and have recruits come in. you'll be fine

[gibbz]

I would defend against your arguments, not that I need to (my school doesn't have to defend anything, they were perfect). But if you're just going to call all my points "the same rhetoric" there isn't really much point to it is there?

It's like arguing with a brick wall! You can put forth your best argument all day long, but in the end it's not going to be acknowledged as valid.

SLC
The rhetoric comment was aimed at others who only said "we are undefeated." I actually said in an earlier post that you put forth arguments with logical reasoning.

Well, we agree to disagree. You think undefeated is all that matters. I say the quality of conference and opponents matter. I acknowledge Utah's frustrations, and I do not like the current system myself. I think that every school should be on equal footing in regards to being given a shot at a title. With this, I agree with the Utah AG. Indeed, Utah is at a disadvantage from the start (perhaps if preseason polls were eliminated, this might be helped a bit).

Since the BCS is a subjective system that every team agreed to before the season, I am justified in debating the relative value of Utah's undefeated season, just as the voters who comprise a portion of the system have. Likewise, you have just as much argument in justifying the value of that season. In the end, only opinions exist.

Regardless, I hope Utah's season, coupled with the existence of several 1 loss teams from BCS conferences will lead to a playoff so teams can prove it on the field.

[swiftaw]

Great article on the flaws of the BCS: http://www.slate.com/id/2208108

[obey908]

heres what my bama friends posted in another forum about how bad they were hurt with losing smith


After the quarterback, the Left Tackle is the most important player on the offense. In many cases, the LT may be one of the top three best paid players on the team in the NFL. He protects the quarterback's blind side.

The LT plays the defenses' best pass rusher. In this case, it was a future NFL player in Krueger. Alabama's 3rd string LT couldn't match up with him and gave up 8 sacks. That changes the game.

Although he may "just" be a lineman, Andre Smith is projected a top three draft pick and has dominated every one he faced this year. When you have a below averge QB like JPW, its absolutely crucial to the success of the team to keep him confident and well protected. Notice how he got "happy feet" against Utah and was completely ineffective? That's because of Smith.
when asked about why their defense was on the field for so long and gave up 31

The defense wouldn't have been on the field that long. If you watched an Alabama game this year you probably noticed how much the commentators talked about how Alabama loves to run left behind Smith and Johnson. Well, once Smith got suspended and Johnson got hurt in the first quarter we couldn't run left anymore. Alabama doesn't have much depth so we had to move Davis from the right to the left to try and protect JPW and then we couldn't run right.

So Alabama, who arguably had the best running attack in the country (of balanced teams, anyway), couldn't run the ball.

We led the SEC in TOP and without looking at the stats, I'd imagine we are at the top of the country in that category as well.

So, the defense had to stay on the field against a speedy offense. Had we been in the same situation against Florida they would have beaten us by about 50.

Losing Smith and Johnson pretty much took away the strength of this team: the offensive line and it took the life out of the team.

Again, had Smith played, Johnson wouldn't have gotten hurt, Alabama could have ran the ball and Utah wouldn't get their pass rush. So, we probably would have won comfortably.

Had Smith not played this year we would have been lucky to be 8-4.

[MacDawg]

heres what my bama friends posted in another forum about how bad they were hurt with losing smith


Left tackle is important... the Dawgs lost Sturdivant before the 1st game and it changed our season. But that is part of the game... injuries, suspensions, everything.

I don't think Bama can blame their loss only on losing Smith for the game. They were beaten in every phase of the game. The left tackle didn't give up the first 21 points of the game.

No, Bama doesn't get to make excuses for wetting the bed. They just need to man up and say that they didn't come ready to play and got their a** kicked by a better prepared and hungrier team. I didn't say a *better team* necessarily, but on that night, they were... clearly.

On to other things ;)

Stafford and Moreno on their way to the NFL (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sec/0-4-47/Stafford--Moreno-on-their-way-to-the-NFL.html)

With Stafford and Moreno gone, the Bulldogs will fall back into the pack as far as hype and won't face near the expectations they did this season. They were preseason No. 1 in the polls, but battled injuries and never came close to playing to that level.

Joe Cox, who will be a senior, is the favorite to replace Stafford at quarterback. Cox has at least played some and knows what it's like to face SEC defenses. The Bulldogs also like Logan Gray, who's athletic enough that he returned some punts this season. Gray will be a third-year sophomore next season.

The two incoming freshmen at quarterback are Aaron Murray of Tampa, Fla., and Zach Mettenberger of Watkinsville, Ga. Murray was the top-rated quarterback in the state of Florida last year and can run and pass. Mettenberger is closer to being the pure pocket passer of the two. Both players are midterm enrollees and will be able to go through spring practice.

Winning Moreno's tailback job will be a battle between Richard Samuel and Caleb King. But as the Bulldogs have shown in the past, they will play multiple players back there. Samuel passed King this season on the depth chart, but both players are immensely talented.

Losing 95% of the offense (MoMass graduates too) is going to clearly challenge the Dawgs. They are going to need everyone to step up and contribute with the schedule they have for 2009. Fortunately we should get Sturdivant back at left tackle and Owens on the defensive line. The schedule they played this year was brutal, but next year's schedule doesn't get any easier. Bama falls off next year, but is replaced by Arkansas in conference play.

Out of conference schedule?
How is this for our 4 non-conference games?

Oklahoma State (open the season in Stillwater)
Arizona State
Tennessee Tech (not until the 9th game of the season)
Georgia Tech

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In other news...
Boomer Sooner Baby!!
I Hate the Gators™

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[obey908]

stafford and moreno are going to get their asses kicked in the nfl, especially moreno

[MacDawg]

stafford and moreno are going to get their asses kicked in the nfl, especially moreno

I don't think Moreno is an every down back in the NFL
He will be used more like Reggie Bush is in New Orleans
Hard to predict his success... he has heart, but I just don't get the feeling he will make it

Stafford? He should have stayed for his senior year
He started as a true freshman and he needed another year to mature
He needs to make better decisions and work on his mechanics
His success will depend on the team (Lions? shudder), the system and the coaches
He has potential, but the sidelines are littered with QBs with potential

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[gibbz]

Well guys, with around 24 hours left before the BCS National Championship game between Oklahoma and Florida, let's get everyone's official predictions.

No surprise, I am picking:
OU 37 - UF 24

Boomer Sooner!!!

[MacDawg]

Prediction
OU 31 Boomer Sooner Baby!
UF 28 I hate the Gators™

Other interesting developments in college football news...

What do you think about this?

BC ready to move on without Jagodzinski (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3816644)

BOSTON -- Boston College fired Jeff Jagodzinski on Wednesday, days after he was warned he would be dismissed if he interviewed for the coaching job with the New York Jets.

BC athletic director Gene DeFilippo told Jagodzinski on Saturday that his job would be in jeopardy if he went through with the Jets interview. Jagodzinski met with the Jets on Tuesday night.

A few hours later, at a Wednesday morning meeting, DeFilippo told Jagodzinski he was out.

"We're really good friends and this is a very difficult thing to do," DeFilippo said at a news conference. "We will find somebody who really wants to be at Boston College and will be here for the length of their contract."

Or how about these predictions by Mark Schlabach?
This is sure to put Badandy in a snit ;)

2009 Predictions (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&page=predictions09/ncf)

10. USC won't finish in the top 10
The Trojans face the prospect of losing 10 defensive starters from 2008 if junior safety Taylor Mays and others enter the NFL draft. As many as 10 starters might be back on offense, but USC's defense is what made the Trojans so special this season. The Trojans' schedule flips in 2009, so they'll play road games at Ohio State, California, Notre Dame, Oregon and Arizona State.

Conference predictions for 2009 (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/ncfnation?tag=predictions%200905)


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[SLC Flyfishing]

Out of conference schedule?
How is this for our 4 non-conference games?

Oklahoma State (open the season in Stillwater)
Arizona State
Tennessee Tech (not until the 9th game of the season)
Georgia Tech

3 really weak opponents, one pretty good one (OSU). Sounds like the OOC schedule that everyone is trying to deny the Utes for.

That being said, if your team runs the table or has only one loss, they will still have an excellent shot at playing for the title next year. I'm not convinced that the SEC is better than the MWC, especially when I notice that you're conference schedule looks pathetic.

The only teams that should give you any sort of trouble in that SEC schedule are Florida and LSU. Apart from that it looks like a regular mid-major cakewalk. Good luck with that Bulldogs :rolleyes:

SLC

[MacDawg]

3 really weak opponents, one pretty good one (OSU). Sounds like the OOC schedule that everyone is trying to deny the Utes for.

That being said, if your team runs the table or has only one loss, they will still have an excellent shot at playing for the title next year. I'm not convinced that the SEC is better than the MWC, especially when I notice that you're conference schedule looks pathetic.

The only teams that should give you any sort of trouble in that SEC schedule are Florida and LSU. Apart from that it looks like a regular mid-major cakewalk. Good luck with that Bulldogs :rolleyes:

SLC

Ha, Ha...
You crack me up SLC :p

UTAH
2009 SCHEDULE

Sep. 5 Utah State
Sep. 12 at San Jose State
Sep. 19 at Oregon
Sep. 26 Louisville
TBA Air Force
TBA Wyoming
TBA New Mexico
TBA San Diego State
TBA at UNLV
TBA at Colorado State
TBA at TCU
TBA at Brigham Young

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[SLC Flyfishing]

Ha, Ha...
You crack me up SLC :p

Well we already know that our bottom dweller teams can win against SEC middle of the stack teams, (ala Wyoming at Tennessee) even on the road!

Do you want me to make more MWC-SEC comparos?

SLC

[obey908]

oh, and utah fans: penn state has had 4 undefeated seasons under joe paterno without being the national champion. and that is playing in a real conference. so stop your hissy fit

[MacDawg]

Well we already know that our bottom dweller teams can win against SEC middle of the stack teams, (ala Wyoming at Tennessee) even on the road!

Do you want me to make more MWC-SEC comparos?

SLC


No... that's ok... we get your point :rolleyes:

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[SLC Flyfishing]

oh, and utah fans: penn state has had 4 undefeated seasons under joe paterno without being the national champion. and that is playing in a real conference. so stop your hissy fit

Were they the lone undefeated teams those years, and did they play for the title? I'm willing to bet that the answer to the first is no, and the answer to the second is no because they didn't have title matches back then!

1968 undefeated season, Ohio State won the title, was undefeated and played undefeated USC in their bowl. Not the lone unbeaten in the land that year. And Ohio State was voted in, they didn't play a championship game.

1969 undefeated season, Texas won the title, was undefeated and played 8-1-1 Notre dame in their bowl. Not a title match, Texas was voted in.

1973 undefeated season, Notre Dame won the title, played and beat an undefeated Alabama team in the Sugar Bowl. Again, Notre Dame was voted in, The Sugar Bowl wasn't held to be the National Title game.

1986 undefeated season, Penn State won the title, played and beat an undefeated Miami team, and were Voted #1 at the end of the season.

1994 undefeated season, Nebraska won the title in the notorious 1994 season that resulted in the BCS. Looks like an outrage surrounding Penn State was part of somewhat improving the system.

That's it, all the undefeated seasons in Joe Paterno's resume at Penn State. Achieving a 20% success rate w/respect to winning the National Title, and in none of those seasons was Penn State the only undefeated team at the end of the year. Doesn't look to me like you've got a leg to stand on if you're trying to argue that Penn State was robbed many times in a similar fashion to Utah. Don't you get it? Utah is the only team in the 2008 season which is undefeated! That's why there is an outrage!


You're an idiot Obey908! But you do go to Penn State :rolleyes:

SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

No... that's ok... we get your point :rolleyes:

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If you're referring to the 2009 football season then that graphic is about right!

SLC

[MacDawg]

If you're referring to the 2009 football season then that graphic is about right!

SLC

Big 12-SEC dominance continues (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3815772&sportCat=ncf)
Link to complete article... this is just a snippet...
Not everybody believes the BS that Rick Reilly wrote :rolleyes:
This comes from Pat Forde

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- Florida and Oklahoma will tussle to determine a national champion in Miami Thursday night, but one thing already has been determined:

They represent the two most powerful conferences in the country.

The Southeastern Conference and Big 12 have taken over college football … in the short term, and perhaps in the long term as well. With the exception of occasional incursions by USC and Ohio State, the two leagues own the joint.

They've got the hardware: Representatives of those conferences have won three straight national titles (Texas, Florida and LSU), heading for a fourth. The SEC is trying for its own three-peat. At least one team from the Big 12 or SEC has appeared in six straight championship games.

The SEC and Big 12 have had eight of the 12 championship-game participants over the past six years. The Big Ten and Pac-10 have produced two each, and both of those are the same schools, whereas the SEC and Big 12 have been more diversified. The ACC and Big East have failed to place a team in the Big Enchilada since Miami was upset by Ohio State after the 2002 season.

They've got the rankings: The top four teams in the final Associated Press Top 25 of December were all from the SEC and Big 12. Nine teams from the two leagues were ranked.

They've got the accolades: Fifteen of the 25 members of the AP All-America first team were from the SEC and Big 12. The top five vote-getters for the 2008 Heisman Trophy all were from those two leagues.

Meanwhile, the Big Ten's regression is as plain as the league's bowl results: 1-6 this season. The Pacific-10 is ephemeral outside of USC, with programs rising and falling. The Big East lost much of its power when it was raided by the Atlantic Coast Conference, which, in turn, has failed to gain any traction as a 12-team league, in large part due to poor coaching.

So it's a Big 12-SEC gridworld, and everyone else has to deal with it.

How and why has it become this way? The simple answer is better players and better coaching.

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[SLC Flyfishing]

heres what my bama friends posted in another forum about how bad they were hurt with losing smith......when asked about why their defense was on the field for so long and gave up 31.......

I'd expect a loser to make excuses. But just so you know, it wasn't Paul Krueger, making all the sacs, it was Stevenson Sylvester. Again, just excuses, everyone went on and on about how Alabama was so deep that their 3rd string would match up well with the Utes.

SLC

[Cave Man]

oh, and utah fans: penn state has had 4 undefeated seasons under joe paterno without being the national champion. and that is playing in a real conference. so stop your hissy fit

Really? I thought Penn State was always in the Big Ten. When did they join? :p

[donga]

you know i don't think it's good for college football to have these powerhouse teams/conferences. they pull all the talent away from other schools and the rich get richer, the rest of us... yeah.

for example usc usually gets the best of the recruits in socal and surrounding areas. thus, since they get great/good players (2nd string/3rd string players could be starters on other teams) they sap the talent pool for everyone else and thus you've got usc and the rest of the pac10.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Big 12-SEC dominance continues (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3815772&sportCat=ncf)
Link to complete article... this is just a snippet...
Not everybody believes the BS that Rick Reilly wrote :rolleyes:
This comes from Pat Forde



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The only thing the Big 12 and SEC have proven this year is that they are very beatable. And the only thing that Florida and Oklahoma have accomplished that my Utes haven't is a loss.

Sorry but that article is just drivel by some SEC homer who loves the idea of keeping teams like Utah from ever being able to prove their superiority on the field. It's too little too late I'm afraid, as I've yet to see one fan poll where Utah isn't voted #1 well ahead of either Florida or Oklahoma, and that's really all that I need to see this year. One national sports writer was on the local radio today, phoning in from Miami where he's stationed to cover the BCS title game, he said that the media is all over the Utes and that nobody is really talking about the game at hand all that much.

That was great to hear!

SLC

[obey908]

You're an idiot Obey908! But you do go to Penn State :rolleyes:

SLC

wow your second personal attack, mature.

[SLC Flyfishing]

And as for SEC/Big 12 dominance, after all is said and done and the final rankings are released. The SEC is going to have 1 team in the top 10 (assuming Florida wins, if they lose they might fall a ways with their ugly loss), Big 12 will have 2 in the top 10, Big 10 will have none, Pac 10 will have one, Big East will have none, and ACC will probably have none. The MWC will have 2.

That means we will have as many top 10 teams as the Big 12, and more than the SEC, so much for the utter dominance that your article speaks to.

SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

wow your second personal attack, mature.

Hey, I'm just trying to speak to your level, you know, talk the Obey908 talk as well as walk the Obey908 walk. You've shown yourself to be a bit below most for maturity yourself the past few weeks on this thread.

If you're going to try and make a point, make sure you look into it before doing so. If it's a solid one, I won't give you a bad time for it. But you've yet to do so.

SLC

[obey908]

just trying to be annoying as you and the rest of utah fans

and there is a difference between personal attacks and just talking a whole lot of college football **** talk

[SLC Flyfishing]

just trying to be annoying as you and the rest of utah fans

Well it's certainly working buddy!

SLC

[obey908]

kgood. :p

Anyway enough of this utah talk.

florida vs oklahoma

I can't see oklahoma winning this. bradford is great but floridas defense is better than anything he has seen this season. Tebow is going to come out on fire like he always does, and i hope percy has a good game. I think florida is the only sec team i "like", except for uga (the bulldog not the school :p )

I can't wait for 2010-2011. penn state finally scheduled a tough out of conference team, and we travel to bama in 2010 then they come here. I don't know about our chances, but it will be fun to watch. I am tired of watching all these ****** non bigten home games.

And in 2011 and 2012, i believe, michigan will not be on our schedule, just when they should be rebuilt :(

[MacDawg]

florida vs oklahoma

I can't see oklahoma winning this. bradford is great but floridas defense is better than anything he has seen this season. Tebow is going to come out on fire like he always does, and i hope percy has a good game. I think florida is the only sec team i "like", except for uga (the bulldog not the school :p )

I hope you are wrong :o
Big games have such emotional swings to them, and the snowball can turn into an avalanche
I hope the Sooners defense is ready, but it is hard to simulate the Gator offense in practice

Bradford needs success early for confidence against the Gator defense
Then he needs to find a rhythm and stay with it... don't be intimidated

I would make sure that if I lost, Tebow wouldn't beat me
I would attack him relentlessly and make sure someone else had to do it



I can't wait for 2010-2011. penn state finally scheduled a tough out of conference team, and we travel to bama in 2010 then they come here. I don't know about our chances, but it will be fun to watch. I am tired of watching all these ****** non bigten home games.

And in 2011 and 2012, i believe, michigan will not be on our schedule, just when they should be rebuilt :(

Penn State / Bama will be great... it will bring back only memories of Paterno and Bear Bryant, although surely Jo Pa won't be still on the sidelines in 2010/11 :rolleyes:

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[Tomorrow]

The BCS is set up so that no team from a non-BCS conference can win and I hope the Utah AG does file suit. It's costing them more than a championship - it's costing them money.


It might seem that way, and many like to argue that point, but consider this:

Some time ago, before the BCS (and even before the Bowl Coalition and the Bowl Alliance) ever came into being, the bowl games with the "big" payouts (Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, Orange, as well as the Cotton, Gator, Citrus [now Capital One], and Hall of Fame [now Outback]) all still had conference tie-ins. In other words, the Big 8 champ went to the Orange Bowl, the SEC champ still had the Sugar Bowl, the Big 10 and Pac 10 went to the Rose, SWC in the Cotton, etc. - there was NO means for a team from a mid-major conference to gain an automatic berth to those games, because the at-large selections were really the whim of the bowl committees, based on selling tickets and attracting viewers.

The WAC champ was in the Holiday Bowl in those days, but that was probably the pinnacle of what they could expect as far as a bowl berth - BYU won the NC by beating Michigan in the Holiday Bowl. Think about that - the team that the media and coaches voted to be the best in the country couldn't even get selected for one of the "big payout" bowls.

At least this current incarnation of the BCS not only has criteria set for non-BCS conference schools from gaining a berth, but there are automatic berths, as well. It's not like there was an immense pool of money allotted to the MWC or other mid-major conferences that got taken away when the BCS came around, it's always been that way. The Utah AG should consider that, because if it comes to trial I'm sure it's going to get brought up.

Seriously, without the automatic berth, many bowls would have considered other teams in addition to Utah. For my money, I think Utah vs. Alabama was the best matchup from a viewer's point of view, but there was once a day they would have seriously considered a number of other teams instead, based simply on the belief that they would attract more viewers and paying fans.

I did enjoy the game, I enjoyed the outcome, and I'm honestly surprised that more people didn't see it coming.

[gibbz]

You're an idiot Obey908! But you do go to Penn State :rolleyes:
SLC

You lost a lot of credibility with quotes like this.

Why don't you address the SoS numbers that I gave you earlier? Most have Utah as having the worst of the BCS bowl teams. What about the MWC being ranked as only the 6th or 7th best conference in most circles? Utah is a token stepchild in the BCS.

All you can say is that Utah is undefeated. If a team beats Sister Mary's of the Poor every week and wins all, do they deserve a national title? One should consider the path taken to get to their record. Sure, OU has a loss to the BCS #3 ranked team. Florida has a loss to the BCS #25. Texas has a loss to the BCS #7. Ok, Utah didn't lose, but the fact is that they didn't have play such teams like OU, Florida, Texas, etc ... had to. You can say that Utah is the only unbeatable team and the Big 12 and SEC have only shown they are beatable all you want, but Utah NEVER had to play a tough schedule to truly prove they are unbeatable. You only proved you could win week in and out against second tier talent. OU has beaten 6 top-25 teams. Utah, had 2 wins and both were in conference. OU had 2 such wins outside of conference, one of which was from the vaunted MWC.

Utah had a weak schedule in a weak conference and by far the easiest route to get to where they are. Show me the impressive wins outside of the bowl game? You certainly have none that are out of conference. Most of your out of conference wins are against the weak teams of the big boys. Like I said, you like to tout the MWC 6 wins versus the Pac 10. Big deal they had a record of 31-43.

Please explain how your weak schedule automatically leaves you as a national champion? Like I said before, put Utah in the Big 12 or SEC and make them play tough opponents in a weekly basis, and they are nowhere near the BCS.

[dukebound85]

You lost a lot of credibility with quotes like this.

Why don't you address the SoS numbers that I gave you earlier? Most have Utah as having the worst of the BCS bowl teams. What about the MWC being ranked as only the 6th or 7th best conference in most circles? Utah is a token stepchild in the BCS.



6th or 7th best conference? source please?

[gibbz]

kgood. :p

Anyway enough of this utah talk.

Agreed. Time for the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game.


florida vs oklahoma

I can't see oklahoma winning this. bradford is great but floridas defense is better than anything he has seen this season. Tebow is going to come out on fire like he always does, and i hope percy has a good game. I think florida is the only sec team i "like", except for uga (the bulldog not the school :p )

I think Florida has a balanced team. But I could counter your argument by saying that Florida has not faced an offense like this. The Gators have only played 1 top 25 offense (Georgia 22nd), 3 in the top 50. 7 teams they faced were ranked 63rd or worse, 4 of which were 97th or worse. We'll see when the face the #3 ranked OU offense.

[gibbz]

6th or 7th best conference? source please?

Sagarin (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm)
Anderson & Hester (http://andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html)
Billingsley (http://www.cfrc.com/Ratings_2008/CC_15.htm)
Peter Wolfe (http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/ratings.htm)

to name a few.

[MacDawg]

Stewart Mandel's column (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/01/07/cfb.mailbag/)

Without even knowing the outcome of Florida vs. Oklahoma, what is your rationale for having anyone but Utah No. 1 on your final ballot? By virtually any metric, the Utes should be national champions. They beat four ranked teams (two in the top 10), finished unbeaten and played in a very tough conference. How, in good conscience, can you rank anyone else ahead of them?
-- Neil, New York

The simple answer: Because I don't believe they're the best team in the country. How in good conscience can I rank them ahead of another team who I truly believe is better? I don't mean to discount the Utes' Sugar Bowl win. They flat-out dominated Alabama, with or without Andre Smith. But folks -- it was just one game, and not a championship game at that. I watched Utah play four times during the season (which, I'm guessing, is three times more than many voters did), and that was by far the Utes' best performance.

Prior to the bowls, I had the Utes ranked ninth. In the illustrious words of Social Distortion, I was wrooooooooong. (Yes: I just bought Rock Band 2.) I will be moving them up considerably in the final poll -- but not to No. 1. Why? Because both Florida and Oklahoma played at a higher level against tougher competition over the course of the entire season, and now one of the two is going to beat the other. While the Mountain West deserves credit for a fantastic season, anyone who thinks it was on the same level as the SEC or Big 12 is kidding himself. The fourth- and fifth-best teams in the Big 12 this year were Oklahoma State and Missouri. The fourth- and fifth-best teams in the MWC were Air Force and Colorado State.

Want a more quantitative analysis? In Jeff Sagarin's conference power ratings, the Mountain West finished the regular season No. 7. (Personally, I'd put it ahead of the Pac-10 and Big East.) As for schedule strength, according to CollegeBCS.com, Oklahoma's schedule was No. 2, Florida's No. 5, Utah's No. 61. According to Sagarin (which includes I-AA teams): Oklahoma No. 8, Florida No. 19, Utah No. 70.

Can we PLEASE move on?
Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough?

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[gibbz]

Stewart Mandel's column (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/01/07/cfb.mailbag/)



Can we PLEASE move on?
Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough?

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Agreed, let's get on to discussing the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game tomorrow.

[themoonisdown09]

Agreed, let's get on to discussing the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game tomorrow.

What about tonight? I will be going for Oklahoma to win because Florida is in the SEC... and I don't like the SEC!

[dukebound85]

Offense:
Points Scored:
OU #1 @ 54/game
UF #3 @ 45.2/game

Total Yards
OU #3 @562.1yds/game
UF #18 @ 442.4yds/game


Defense:
Points Allowed
OU: #57 @24.5 pts/game
UF: #5 @12.8pts/game

Total Yards Allowed
OU: #65 @ 359.1 yds/game
UF: #8 @279.3yds/game

Margin of Victory
OU: 29.5pts/game
UF: 32.4pts/game

Margin of Yards
OU: +203yds/game
UF: +163.1yds/game

[gibbz]

What about tonight? I will be hoping that Oklahoma wins because Florida is in the SEC and I don't like the SEC!

Sorry, I just meant that the game is tomorrow. Let's discuss it now. I too want OU to win. More so though, I want a competitive game.

[MacDawg]

Agreed, let's get on to discussing the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game tomorrow.

Percy Harvin will play according to reports, but last I heard he is only 90%
Of course, at 90% he is still one of the best in the country :(

I still say the Sooners' best bet is to target and attack Tebow relentlessly and make someone else beat them

But they better protect Bradford and give him time or it can get out of hand in a hurry

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[themoonisdown09]

Sorry, I just meant that the game is tomorrow. Let's discuss it now. I too want OU to win. More so though, I want a competitive game.

I do think that Florida will win... but I'm still going for Oklahoma.

[dukebound85]

Sagarin (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm)
Anderson & Hester (http://andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html)
Billingsley (http://www.cfrc.com/Ratings_2008/CC_15.htm)
Peter Wolfe (http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/ratings.htm)

to name a few.

some of those rankings had the sec #4 and the ACC as the best lol

[MacDawg]

some of those rankings had the sec #4 and the ACC as the best lol

They measure the whole conference top to bottom
The ACC was very balanced top to bottom this year
In fact, they had 10 bowl teams out of 12 teams... 2 more than the SEC


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[gibbz]

Percy Harvin will play according to reports, but last I heard he is only 90%
Of course, at 90% he is still one of the best in the country :(

I still say the Sooners' best bet is to target and attack Tebow relentlessly and make someone else beat them

But they better protect Bradford and give him time or it can get out of hand in a hurry

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I am more worried about Brandon James returning kickoffs. My Sooners have allowed 4 kickoffs for a TD this year.

[MacDawg]

I am more worried about Brandon James returning kickoffs. My Sooners have allowed 4 kickoffs for a TD this year.

You are right about that... he HAS to be stopped
I would kick out of bounds on punts and kick the line drives on kickoffs
You don't need a long return to set up a quick score
They punished teams with that :(

Who will be officiating the game?
Anyone know right off hand?


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[P-Worm]

Sagarin (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm)
Anderson & Hester (http://andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html)
Billingsley (http://www.cfrc.com/Ratings_2008/CC_15.htm)
Peter Wolfe (http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/ratings.htm)

to name a few.

The ACC is the best conference in the country this year? :confused:

P-Worm

Edit: duke beat me to it.

[gibbz]

The ACC is the best conference in the country this year? :confused:

P-Worm

Edit: duke beat me to it.

See here

They measure the whole conference top to bottom
The ACC was very balanced top to bottom this year
In fact, they had 10 bowl teams out of 12 teams... 2 more than the SEC


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[dukebound85]

imo, a conference cant be considered the best if it doesnt even have a title contender

[gibbz]

imo, a conference cant be considered the best if it doesnt even have a title contender

So if a conference has the #1 team and everyone else is say between 35-85, they could be best over a conference where every team is ranked say 10-21, none of which are title contenders? :D

Point taken, and it is weird to even see their name up there, but they did have a ton of bowl eligible teams. We just need a darn playoff to get rid of (or reduce) all of this numerical analysis and personal opinions.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Jim Rome:

"Can you remember a national championship game with less hype? That's what happens when you wait until January 8 to decide who gets 3rd place."

Mike Terico & Michelle Tafoya:

Terico: "Who do you like in the national championship game?"

Tafoya: "I like Florida, but I like Utah better."

Terico: "So you like Florida to win the game but Utah to win the championship?"

Tafoya: "Yes."

Tafoya (who is filling in for Scott Van Pelt today) then went on to say she read the Riley column earlier today and she cannot disagree with it. She says Utah is the national champion.

Tafoya was on ESPN Radio for an hour today -- probably close to half of that time she argued that Utah should be national champions.

She started off with the comments I posted above and then argued that Utah should be champions because (1) they are the only team without a loss; (2) they played a tough schedule; and (3) they just destroyed the team that was ranked #1 for 5 weeks and that was within less than a quarter from playing tomorrow night -- and they did this in what was essentially a home game for Alabama.

A while later, she had Gene Wojohowski (sp)on. Watch his video blog, if you haven't already. He didn't necessarily agree that Utah should be the champions, but he said their claim is as legitimate as anyone else -- if not more so. He also made these points: (1) no matter what Utah did this year, they had zero chance to win the national championship before the season even started because they are not in a BCS conference -- this is inherently unfair and the main reason why the BCS needs to go; (2) he hopes that Shurtleff's investigation/lawsuit goes as far as possible and gets rid of the unfair BCS system; (3) if Shurtleff's efforts fail, President Obama should have the U.S. Attorney General investigate the BCS; (4) (and most importantly) every other team in contention for the championship had a legitimate chance to win it before the season started, but each one tripped up by losing at least once along the way -- Utah did what they couldn't do -- win every game on its schedule, but the system kept them out.

Tafoya ended the show by reading and responding to a few emails she received during the show:

A. One fan pointed out that the MWC won 64% of its games against BCS conferences this year. The Big 12 won 46% and the SEC won 40%

B. Somebody wrote about how Utah had won too many close games. Tafoya said no -- Utah's average margin of victory this year was 20 points, and they just beat Alabama by two touchdowns.

C. Someone wrote in with the standard "there are no weeks off in the BCS conferences" argument. To this Tafoya responded, "I knew this would come up and that's baloney. That's baloney."


SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

Point taken, and it is weird to even see their name up there, but they did have a ton of bowl eligible teams. We just need a darn playoff to get rid of (or reduce) all of this numerical analysis and personal opinions.

+1

But the MWC will have as many top 25 teams as anybody at the end of this season! Just to point it out!

SLC

[gibbz]

-- Utah did what they couldn't do -- win every game on its schedule, but the system kept them out.

... a system that they knew would decide the champion before the season. Don't complain about it after it doesn't work for you. Make changes in the offseason, but all the complaining for this season is old.

[dukebound85]

... a system that they knew would decide the champion before the season. Don't complain about it after it doesn't work for you. Make changes in the offseason, but all the complaining for this season is old.

make changes in the off season? please you know how ridiculous your post sounds?

the bcs isnt going anywhere this offseason or next off season or the year after next even though there are many people against it

what do you propose for utah to do? just not play football this year or next year?

do you really think the non bcs conferences liked the bcs system when it was first implemented? it was simply a power move made by the bigger conferences

[Tomorrow]

A. One fan pointed out that the MWC won 64% of its games against BCS conferences this year. The Big 12 won 46% and the SEC won 40%

Most of Tafoya's logic, while I don't necessarily agree with it, is at least followable. This point doesn't make any sense.

I'll accept that the MWC won 64% of its games against BCS conferences, although I don't necessarily know whether that means anything. But you can't compare it to the other statistics - the entire conference schedules for both the Big 12 and SEC are against other BCS teams, as well as part of the non-conference schedules - so for every win by one of those conference teams against another BCS team, there's also a loss - so without non-conference games, you can't do better than 50%.

Not exactly comparing apples to apples with that one.

[SLC Flyfishing]

make changes in the off season? please you know how ridiculous your post sounds?

the bcs isnt going anywhere this offseason or next off season or the year after next even though there are many people against it

what do you propose for utah to do? just not play football this year or next year?

No I think Gibbz is suggesting that Utah just needs to request that the BCS take a year off or something, agreed that's a ridiculous suggestion.

Utah is powerless to do a damn thing about the rules that keep them from being permitted to play for the title!

SLC

[Tomorrow]

But the MWC will have as many top 25 teams as anybody at the end of this season! Just to point it out!
SLC

The SEC will have at least Florida, Alabama, and Georgia, and a good chance for Ole Miss in the Top 25, so there's either three or four. The Big 12 will have Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Missouri, that's five. The MWC will have at least Utah and TCU, and I doubt BYU falls out, so there's three.

Looks like you come in #2 or 3 again. Sorry :p

[obey908]

utah should schedule all their non conference games against good bcs teams. that is one way they can gain more respect

big 10 will have...penn state, ohio state, iowa, posibblyyyy michigan st

[P-Worm]

utah should schedule all their non conference games against good bcs teams. that is one way they can gain more respect

big 10 will have...penn state, ohio state, iowa, posibblyyyy michigan st

How do you do that? Just call up Florida and say, "Hey, we want to play you guys?" What do these big name schools have to benefit from playing Utah? To them it is a lose lose situation. If you win, no one cares. If you lose, you get laughed at. To be honest, I'm surprised Michigan let us play them this year.

P-Worm

[dukebound85]

How do you do that? Just call up Florida and say, "Hey, we want to play you guys?" What do these big name schools have to benefit from playing Utah? To them it is a lose lose situation. If you win, no one cares. If you lose, you get laughed at. To be honest, I'm surprised Michigan let us play them this year.

P-Worm

with that said, cu will not travel down to play csu in fort collins period.

every csu cu game is either in boulder (cu home) or at invesco field (csu/cu home, depends on year)

[obey908]

how do we get costal carolina, kent state, florida atlantic, etc? call them up. they get a lot of money to get their asses kicked in our stadium. which helps them

[P-Worm]

with that said, cu will not travel down to play csu in fort collins period.

every csu cu game is either in boulder (cu home) or at invesco field (csu/cu home, depends on year)

BYU has the same problem in college basketball. Until the recent Wake Forest game, many teams refused to play BYU in the Marriot center because they had such a huge win streak in that building.

P-Worm

[dukebound85]

how do we get costal carolina, kent state, florida atlantic, etc? call them up. they get a lot of money to get their asses kicked in our stadium. which helps them

you seriously arent comparing coastal carolina to mwc teams are you?

schools like to schedule cupcake teams as prep for the conference play. mwc teams are not cupcake teams, they arent d1aa tams, whatnot

its a lose lose situation for say your big 10 to schedule quality non conference teams if they dont need those team to vault up the rankings

[SLC Flyfishing]

The SEC will have at least Florida, Alabama, and Georgia, and a good chance for Ole Miss in the Top 25, so there's either three or four. The Big 12 will have Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Missouri, that's five. The MWC will have at least Utah and TCU, and I doubt BYU falls out, so there's three.

Looks like you come in #2 or 3 again. Sorry :p

I forgot about Georgia, and Oklahoma State, and for some reason I thought Texas Tech would fall quite far after their loss to Mississippi but I agree it won't be anywhere near out of the top 25.

But #2 or #3 is all we're making a claim for, and that in and of it's self should make Utah's undefeated season Title worthy. If the SEC only had an undefeated team and a #11 and #18 in their conference this year, you can bet your ass that the undefeated would be playing in the title game. Wait, a one loss team from the SEC is playing in the title game!

SLC

[gibbz]

make changes in the off season? please do you know how ridiculous your post sounds?

fixed that for you.
No I think Gibbz is suggesting that Utah just needs to request that the BCS take a year off or something, agreed that's a ridiculous suggestion.

SLC

You guys need to chill and PAY ATTENTION.

All I said was that Utah decided to play football in the current system. That means they are complicit in their own failure at being national champion. Whether they liked it or not, by playing this year, they agreed upon the current system. So it stupid when people like you all bitch that Utah was screwed.

Maybe I talked too fast. When did I say they need to cancel the BCS or take a year off or two? I said that if at the end of the year they are unhappy with how the situation turned out THIS YEAR, then propose changes or work to make things different in the offseason. For instance, the AG in Utah is suing to fix things. This is an example. Maybe releasing a massive media onslaught about the "injustice" this year is another. Nowhere did I say Utah or the BCS should take time off. I only meant they should propose changes before the season if they are unhappy with the current system.

The only ridiculous thing here is Utah bitching ex post facto about how they were screwed in a system in which they were complicit.

[obey908]

you seriously arent comparing coastal carolina to mwc teams are you?

schools like to schedule cupcake teams as prep for the conference play. mwc teams are not cupcake teams, they arent d1aa tams, whatnot

its a lose lose situation for say your big 10 to schedule quality non conference teams if they dont need those team to vault up the rankings

we scheduled oregon state, we have alabama in the future. scheduling can be worked out

[MacDawg]

OK, quite disappointed it comes to this... but I have had enough and I'm done posting here

Somebody turn the lights out in the thread if and when you finally get finished beating this dead horse

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[obey908]

it is college football, you beat everything to a pulp :p

but this utah stuff is getting realllllllllll annoying.

[dsnort]

Sad isn't it? I don't care for the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, the MLB, or whatever.

+1. I went out to the driving range this week to get ready for the off season. :o

Did Bama just not show up because they weren't in the title, that seems just a little bit too convenient to your argument bro.

Actually, there's a lot to that argument. I watched several Bama games this year, and the team that showed up at the Sugar looked little like the team that won 12 games and played a tough SEC Championship game. Sloppy line play, not holding blocks, missed tackles ( very un-Saban like ), and NO intensity in the first half. No passion, no pop.

College football is very dependent on emotion and motivation. Several on this board have made it clear that they thought Utah was playing for the NC in the Sugar Bowl.

What was Bama playing for?

See, I told you this a few days ago. ;)



The article's dead-on right. The only thing left out was that the Big Ten should lose its automatic BCS game.



Utah went undefeated. End of story.

When the BCS was first being developed there was a lot of controversy on SOS, whether it should be included or not in the calculations. There was some feeling that several team in the pre-BCS era were awarded NC status by going undefeated and beating impressively sub-par opposition. Kind of the same argument Utah is making this year.

Stafford and Moreno have left the building :(

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Tough road there Dawg. Strangely, I think MoMass is going to be the best at the next level. He's not as flashy as Moreno or Green, but he's a gamer. Plus I'm glad to see him go, seems like he's been catching passes against us for at least a decade. What is he, a 12th year senior?

Jim Rome:

"Can you remember a national championship game with less hype? That's what happens when you wait until January 8 to decide who gets 3rd place."

Snip

C. Someone wrote in with the standard "there are no weeks off in the BCS conferences" argument. To this Tafoya responded, "I knew this would come up and that's baloney. That's baloney."


SLC

Well, if Jim Rome and Michelle Tafoya said it, it must be true! :rolleyes:

I wouldn't recognize Tafoya if she fell out of a tree in front of me.

Can't stand Rome. If he could go 2 minutes without saying something stupid, I'd award him the National Championship!

[dukebound85]

You guys need to chill and PAY ATTENTION.

All I said was that Utah decided to play football in the current system. That means they are complicit in their own failure at being national champion. Whether they liked it or not, by playing this year, they agreed upon the current system. So it stupid when people like you all bitch that Utah was screwed.

Maybe I talked too fast. When did I say they need to cancel the BCS or take a year off or two? I said that if at the end of the year they are unhappy with how the situation turned out THIS YEAR, then propose changes or work to make things different in the offseason. For instance, the AG in Utah is suing to fix things. This is an example. Maybe releasing a massive media onslaught about the "injustice" this year is another. Nowhere did I say Utah or the BCS should take time off.

The only ridiculous thing here is Utah bitching ex post facto about how they were screwed in a system in which they were complicit.


again, what is the alternative? for utah to not play football? surely you realize that that is not an option as football revenue is vital to a school in terms of funding

i would hardly say utah or any non bcs team is perfectly fine with the current system.

what do you propose non bcs conferences do, have their own championship that wouldnt be recognized as a championship as no other big name bcs schools would participate?


im glad the bcs is getting sued...it should be. however i find it sad how some posters on this board think its insane for utah or any other school to try and change the system (talking to you obey908 lol)

[P-Worm]

In case anyone cares, Nick Saban has been named coach of the year.

linky dinky doo (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3816435)

P-Worm

[SLC Flyfishing]

Actually, there's a lot to that argument. I watched several Bama games this year, and the team that showed up at the Sugar looked little like the team that won 12 games and played a tough SEC Championship game. Sloppy line play, not holding blocks, missed tackles ( very un-Saban like ), and NO intensity in the first half. No passion, no pop.

College football is very dependent on emotion and motivation. Several on this board have made it clear that they thought Utah was playing for the NC in the Sugar Bowl.

What was Bama playing for?

I'll say it again:

I don't think that's true. I really truely do think that Utah is just that good this year. They made Alabama look terrible, they were too fast (something people said Alabama would do to Utah) they were too physical (something people said Alabama would do to Utah), they were too skilled (something people said Alabama would do to Utah), and they were able to execute essentially every single aspect of their game plan (something people said Alabama would do to Utah).

But if you are right and Alabama was flat because they didn't have anything to play for, then that just goes to further the argument that there needs to be a playoff. If that were the case, Alabama would need to show up for Utah just as much as Florida. Apparently SEC teams can't be bothered to bring their A game unless the match up has title implications. Well that just goes to show that they never belonged in the title equation to begin with. Florida doesn't either, they screwed the pooch against an unranked team!

Utah beat everyone, they even got up for the San Diego State game because if there's one thing the Utes understand, it's that every game matters!

SLC

[obey908]

what a joke

[SLC Flyfishing]

we scheduled oregon state, we have alabama in the future. scheduling can be worked out

Well we played and beat Oregon State and Alabama this year and it still didn't help! What else ya got?

SLC

[gibbz]

again, what is the alternative? for utah to not play football? surely you realize that that is not an option as football revenue is vital to a school in terms of funding

i would hardly say utah or any non bcs team is perfectly fine with the current system.

what do you propose non bcs conferences do, have their own championship that wouldnt be recognized as a championship as no other big name bcs schools would participate?

your post is very amusing indeed

im glad the bcs is getting sued...it should be. however i find it sad how some posters on this board think its insane for utah or any other school to try and change the system (talking to you obey908 lol)

You are tiresome. I am one who is suggesting that Utah try and change the system if they are unhappy. So my post is amusing because I say that Utah should try to change things, yet, you denigrate those who think it is insane that Utah change it :confused: I find your contradictions amusing.

Please listen for the last time! I never said that Utah should not play. I never said they should create their own title. I said that by playing, you agree to the system in its current format. So they should not bitch after the fact. If you do not like it, then work to change it (like I referenced with the lawsuit.) BEFORE the season. No one is perfectly happy with the BCS as it is now, but they all agreed to it by playing and it is the system we have.

Am I clear now?!?

Whether or not people like it, Either OU or Florida will be the national champion. NOT Utah! All of this Utah talk is so tiresome and crybaby-ish. Utah will not be the champion. Game over. Let's please move on to the game that will crown a champion.

[SLC Flyfishing]

OK, quite disappointed it comes to this... but I have had enough and I'm done posting here

Somebody turn the lights out in the thread if and when you finally get finished beating this dead horse

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See ya, and we will. Good luck to the Dawgs next year!

[dukebound85]

Well we played and beat Oregon State and Alabama this year and it still didn't help! What else ya got?

SLC

and michigan......how was utah suppose to know they were gonna suck majorly

[gibbz]

what a joke
Let Utah be mentioned no more obey908, who is your pick for the championship game tomorrow and why?

[SLC Flyfishing]

You are tiresome. I am one who is suggesting that Utah try and change the system if they are unhappy. So my post is amusing because I say that Utah should try to change things, yet, you denigrate those who think it is insane that Utah change it :confused: I find your contradictions amusing.

Please listen for the last time! I never said that Utah should not play. I never said they should create their own title. I said that by playing, you agree to the system in its current format. So they should not bitch after the fact. If you do not like it, then work to change it (like I referenced with the lawsuit.) BEFORE the season. No one is perfectly happy with the BCS as it is now, but they all agreed to it by playing and it is the system we have.

Am I clear now?!?

Whether or not people like it, Either OU or Florida will be the national champion. NOT Utah! All of this Utah talk is so tiresome and crybaby-ish. Utah will not be the champion. Game over. Let's please move on to the game that will crown a champion.

But the problem is, almost nobody thinks that the game tomorrow will crown a legitimate champion. Look at any of the millions of polls floating around and you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about! And there was mention of a solution to fix the BCS that was brought up by the Pac-10 during the off season. The rest of the BCS conference commissioners voted to not even discuss it. Look it up!

The MWC commissioner doesn't even have a seat at the table to discuss any of the goings on in the BCS.

You can call it crybabyish, you can call it whatever you like. But you'd be naive to not recognize that getting people everywhere talking about situations like this is the first step in changing the system!

SLC

[dukebound85]

Please listen for the last time! I never said that Utah should not play. I never said they should create their own title. I said that by playing, you agree to the system in its current format. So they should not bitch after the fact. If you do not like it, then work to change it (like I referenced with the lawsuit.) BEFORE the season. No one is perfectly happy with the BCS as it is now, but they all agreed to it by playing and it is the system we have.

Am I clear now?!?

Whether or not people like it, Either OU or Florida will be the national champion. NOT Utah! All of this Utah talk is so tiresome and crybaby-ish. Utah will not be the champion. Game over. Let's please move on to the game that will crown a champion.

you keep saying they agree and are ok with it by playing as if they had an alternative.

do you not see how they dont have a choice but to play under the current system?

football is a money maker for schools and would be unfeasible for them to not play and thus they have to play under the current system. by no means does this imply they cant challenge the system in which they are arguably gtting screwed. even by them taing action by suing the bcs this offseason, it wont change anything next year. does that mean if utah goes undefeated again and beats another powerhouse school in a bowl game next year, they shouldnt argue they should be considered for the title?

the system will not change unless all school/conferences agree. tell me, what incentive is it for the bcs conferences to open the doors up to all these non bcs schools? there isnt any..

am i clear now?

[gibbz]

You can call it crybabyish, you can call it whatever you like. But you'd be naive to not recognize that getting people everywhere talking about situations like this is the first step in changing the system!

SLC


I agree talk might lead to change. But can we put a 24-hour moratorium on it and just discuss the game tomorrow? After that, let's hash out what went wrong and what can be done to fix things

[obey908]

my what a joke comment was about saban being coach of the year lol

but i agree about the comebacks about utah :p

i like florida. i honestly have not been impressed with the big12 all season, and in the bowls. I know they have done pretty well in the bowls, but their big bad offesnes really haven't shown and I think their weak defenses have been exposed more. I really don't think Florida will have that much of a problem. Tebow is just a great leader and will have florida fired up to play. A lot of people don't think tebow is a passer because of how well he runs, but he sure can throw the ball.

I think bradford will be a lot under pressure the whole game and interested to see how he deals with it. If he can deal with the pressure, it may be closer than expected. if not, here comes a blow out.

I really look for tebow in this game to get florida fired up. And for florida's defense to be all over bradford

and tebow is the real heisman. he had the most 1st place votes! haha
http://blog.themavenreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/tim_tebow_575.jpg

i just want a good game! the only real good game has been osu and texas

[gibbz]

I am not sure what to make of things. I am a die-hard OU fan, but am indeed concerned about the game.

Yeah the Big 12 is 4-2, but the vaunted South division is 1-2, with all 3 games being underwhelming. 3 of the 4 wins are from the weaker North. I guess OU will have a chance to prove that the South was not overrated. However, if they don't play well, then perhaps I and others were fooled by the South this year.

[SLC Flyfishing]

I agree talk might lead to change. But can we put a 24-hour moratorium on it and just discuss the game tomorrow? After that, let's hash out what went wrong and what can be done to fix things

I think that taking any and all hype out of the game tomorrow is paramount to what we're trying to accomplish, so no we can't! The game tomorrow is for 3rd place after USC!

SLC

[P-Worm]

I think Florida is going to win. I still haven't decided who I'm rooting for yet, I've hated the Gators and the Sooners long before this season.

P-Worm

[dukebound85]

the Heisman curse dictates florida will win

im betting on ou though lol

[evilgEEk]

Wow.

Enough of the Utah bitching and moaning. It's taking all the fun out of the thread.

What's done is done and no amount of arguing is going to change it. You all are just annoying as hell.

Anyway.............

I'm never any good at predicting scores, but I'll go with:

Oklahoma - 24
Florida - 21

I think it's going to come down to a field goal.

[P-Worm]

my what a joke comment was about saban being coach of the year lol

I disagree. I think Saban did some great things for the Crimson Tide. He sure gave them a great season this year.

P-Worm

[dukebound85]

I disagree. I think Saban did some great things for the Crimson Tide. He sure gave them a great season this year.

P-Worm

i was really hoping Pelini would have won it

[gibbz]

the Heisman curse dictates florida will win

im betting on ou though lol

I was worried about the curse as well, but the last time that the previous year's Heisman winner and current year 3rd place finisher played the current year's Heisman winner (Jason White vs. Matt Leinart in 2004), the current Heisman winner's team won handily. Hopefully the same will happen for OU :)

[P-Worm]

I think it's going to come down to a field goal.

Really? When I picture this game, I picture myself watching a typical game of Madden '08 - really high scores and the last team with the ball wins by a touchdown.

Mark my words: each team's score will be evenly divisibly by 7.

P-Worm

[dukebound85]

my official predicition

42-28 OU

[evilgEEk]

Really? When I picture this game, I picture myself watching a typical game of Madden '08

Ha ha!

That's awesome.

Actually, that's what I originally thought. But for whatever reason my gut it saying there's going to be a lot less scoring than we all think.

I'm sure I'll be wrong, which is why I never predict scores. Heh heh.

[Tomorrow]

Really? When I picture this game, I picture myself watching a typical game of Madden '08 - really high scores and the last team with the ball wins by a touchdown.

Mark my words: each team's score will be evenly divisibly by 7.

P-Worm

At least Oklahoma's score - they haven't attempted many field goals this year, and they haven't been altogether impressive in the kicking game (three missed field goals and five missed extra points), so yeah, they'll probably fit your pattern.

I'm an OU grad, and I know about their recent BCS woes - but I've watched them improve over the course of the last several games. I'll admit I haven't seen Florida all that much, but I do know that containing Tebow will definitely be a chore. It'll be good to have Austin Box back at MLB.

If the line can protect Bradford, and Madu does a good job filling in for Murray at TB, then I think the Sooners can hang. I do believe, however, that the 60+ point streak comes to an end.

It'll be very close, back-and-forth, for the first three quarters, much like the OU-OSU game. One of these two will pull away in the 4th. My pick is the Sooners, 49-38.

(NOTE: I have money in Vegas on the Sooners. Last time OU went to Miami for the NC as an underdog against a Florida team was the 2001 Orange Bowl - a 13-2 victory over FSU. Boomer Sooner!)

[evilgEEk]

21. Boise State won't go undefeated
The Broncos won't have to worry about taking a 12-0 record into a bowl game in 2009. Boise State will lose to Oregon on its home field in the Sept. 5 opener. The Broncos will still finish the regular season with an 11-1 record.

Silly Mark Schlabach... :rolleyes:;)

Those Ducks are going to find out what it's like to play on The Blue, and it's not going to be a pleasant ride back to Eugene for them. :D

[rhett7660]

my official predicition

42-28 OU

I will take that. As long as the gators loose I really don't care what the score is! :D

[Sweetfeld28]

I'm with you guys. OU for the win.

[themoonisdown09]

my official predicition

42-28 OU

My prediction is 42-48, Oklahoma for the win.

[Avaj]

ou - 31
Fl - 28

[furcalchick]

i say that the gators win (boo), 42-21. bob stoopes is a bowl flop, and tebow will not let himself lose another game.

[rhett7660]

i say that the gators win (boo), 42-21. bob stoopes is a bowl flop, and tebow will not let himself lose another game.

:mad: You are banned my friend for even talking that way! :)

[Cave Man]

After the weak Texas performance over a weak Ohio State, I suspect OU will be lucky to stay within two touchdowns:

Florida 42, Oklahoma 24.

Utah then splits the title with Florida. :eek:

[Tomorrow]

After the weak Texas performance over a weak Ohio State, I suspect OU will be lucky to stay within two touchdowns:

Florida 42, Oklahoma 24.

Not necessarily disrespecting your pick, but how does the outcome of the Texas/Ohio State game affect tonight's game at all?

[gibbz]

Not necessarily disrespecting your pick, but how does the outcome of the Texas/Ohio State game affect tonight's game at all?

Sounds like an attempt at transitive logic.

[themoonisdown09]

Only 2 more minutes until the pre game starts! I'm off... out of here... gone.

[Avaj]

Man ESPN and FOX all they are mainly showing is Gators coverage

What is up with that??:rolleyes:

[Sweetfeld28]

Man ESPN and FOX all they are mainly showing is Gators coverage

What is up with that??:rolleyes:

Let me guess? Tebow. Tebow. Tebow.

[gibbz]

Boomer Freakin' Sooner!!!!

[rhett7660]

Damn it,, stuff on 4th and goal...... I like the tempo the sooners are running at right now...... good pace. Lets see if they can keep it up!

[iSaint]

Sure are a lot of penalties. Also, seems the refs aren't quite in control of the game. Needs to run smoother! Both are playing their hearts out.

[det2004]

Damn it,, stuff on 4th and goal...... I like the tempo the sooners are running at right now...... good pace. Lets see if they can keep it up!

That's what they get for being arrogant and going for it on 4th down, instead of taking the 3 points. I love it! :cool:

[cycocelica]

Let me guess? Tebow. Tebow. Tebow.

OMG The God has thrown more interceptions in one game than the whole year! What is the college football world going to do!?!?!

Sports commentators are going to freak out next year when they don't have some dudes dick to jump on.

[dukebound85]

OU has looked alot more impressive offensively and defensively. Having their way with UF until they get to the 5 yd line. could very easily be 21-7 ou

That's what they get for being arrogant and going for it on 4th down, instead of taking the 3 points. I love it! :cool:

any coach in their right mind would have done the same

[themoonisdown09]

Well... it's half time and it's still 7-7. I can't believe Florida just picked off the throw to get a touchdown! I'm so mad.

[Tomorrow]

OU was one of the best red zone offenses all season. The two red zone possessions with no points has me worried.

I'm also surprised at the defenses - OU is moving the ball okay, but Tebow's two picks are either a subpar performance on his part or the OU defense is better than many realized.

One more half to go! BOOMER SOONER!