2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

[themoonisdown09]

OU was one of the best red zone offenses all season. The two red zone possessions with no points has me worried.

I'm also surprised at the defenses - OU is moving the ball okay, but Tebow's two picks are either a subpar performance on his part or the OU defense is better than many realized.

One more half to go! BOOMER SOONER!

I'm surprised that the score is so low at half time. I bet Florida will score on their first possession after half time.

[rhett7660]

I'm surprised that the score is so low at half time. I bet Florida will score on their first possession after half time.

You and me both.......


Question: I don't follow Sooner football, do they always play at this pace?

[Tomorrow]

Question: I don't follow Sooner football, do they always play at this pace?

If you mean fast/no-huddle/hurry-up, yes. They've done it all season. You may notice on some plays there's a clock counting up the number of seconds between plays.

[dukebound85]

You and me both.......


Question: I don't follow Sooner football, do they always play at this pace?

they always play fast

heck when they played Nebraska, it was 28-0 in a blink of an eye

i was in shock as im a Neb fan

[RamblinWreck]

I'm surprised that the score is so low at half time. I bet Florida will score on their first possession after half time.

Me too. Vegas had this one at a 70 point over/under. For those who took the under on this game, man do they have some nerve.

[themoonisdown09]

You and me both.......

Question: I don't follow Sooner football, do they always play at this pace?

From what I've heard... yes. I don't really follow Oklahoma, I'm a Michigan fan. I'm only hoping that Oklahoma wins because I don't like Florida or the SEC.

[rhett7660]

If you mean fast/no-huddle/hurry-up, yes. They've done it all season. You may notice on some plays there's a clock counting up the number of seconds between plays.

Yup noticed that. I didn't know if they did this just for this game or not.

Wow.......

[Tomorrow]

I'm surprised that the score is so low at half time. I bet Florida will score on their first possession after half time.

Three and out - OU's turn

[themoonisdown09]

This game is getting crazy.

[donga]

is anyone else here annoyed with the commentary and analysis?

[RamblinWreck]

is anyone else here annoyed with the commentary and analysis?

Yep, this is why I hate anyone but ESPN covering college football. Well, I like Verne Lundquist on CBS too.

[Tomorrow]

is anyone else here annoyed with the commentary and analysis?

Yes, my wife and I are wondering if everyone involved with the telecast worships Saint Tebow.

[dukebound85]

Yes, my wife and I are wondering if everyone involved with the telecast worships Saint Tebow.

because hes TEBOW!!!!! lol

makes me sick. its worse than even the Hansbrough love darling of college bball

[det2004]

OU has looked alot more impressive offensively and defensively. Having their way with UF until they get to the 5 yd line. could very easily be 21-7 ou



any coach in their right mind would have done the same


maybe, maybe not. But I do find it amusing when they assume they can pick it up on 4th down and get stuffed.

I guess it just reminds me of all the Madden players online who go for it on every 4th down.

[dukebound85]

maybe, maybe not. But I do find it amusing when they assume they can pick it up on 4th down and get stuffed.

I guess it just reminds me of all the Madden players online who go for it on every 4th down.

and convert. man that grinds my gears lol

[P-Worm]

Wow. A lot of injuries so far.

P-Worm

[det2004]

and convert. man that grinds my gears lol

Yeah, but for every one they convert against me, there's usually 3 or 4 that they don't. Plus, there's alot of people who will do that anywhere on the field, even if it's 4th and 15 at their own 20 yard line. Whatever, it's hilarious to stop them on 4th down, I run 1 play and get a TD, and then they quit. :D

[majordude]

Son of a bitch! One more penalty and this will be a Raiders game! I've never seen so many penalties in a college game!

[RamblinWreck]

Battle of the annoying fight songs.

[det2004]

Battle of the annoying fight songs.

Better than the fight songs from the Ohio State/Texas game

[themoonisdown09]

Dammit! Interception! I really hate Florida.

[P-Worm]

Is anyone else unimpressed by this game? Where is this amazing offence from both teams? I guess neither team wanted to be here like Alabama didn't want to be in the Sugar Bowl.

P-Worm

[themoonisdown09]

Is anyone else unimpressed by this game? Where is this amazing offence from both teams?

I agree. I expected a whole lot more out of this game. I can't believe it's only 17-14 with 4:18 left in the game.

Well... it looks like Florida is going to score again.

[det2004]

Is anyone else unimpressed by this game? Where is this amazing offence from both teams? I guess neither team wanted to be here like Alabama didn't want to be in the Sugar Bowl.

P-Worm

I think you have to give credit to the defense...it's not low scoring because the offenses didn't show up, but just great defense.

[donga]

looks like florida. great, time-consuming drive. 3:07 left to make some magic...


also, i kinda just want to watch the game on mute. they should have the best commentators for premier events.

[Tomorrow]

I'm tired of Fox talking about Tebow like he's the second coming.

[themoonisdown09]

looks like florida. great, time-consuming drive. 3:07 left to make some magic...

also, i kinda just want to watch the game on mute. they should have the best commentators for premier events.

I also think that it's looking like Florida will win. And kill the commentators.

I'm tired of Fox talking about Tebow like he's the second coming.

Oh come on... he's been on mission trips and fed the hungry!

[themoonisdown09]

Well... that's basically the game right there. Florida...

[rhett7660]

Crap. Damn you Florida damn you!!!

[P-Worm]

I think you have to give credit to the defense...it's not low scoring because the offenses didn't show up, but just great defense.

You have to be joking. There have been so many bad tackles I don't know what to make of it. There are more holes in the defensive lines than swiss cheese - and from what I can make of it, that isn't due to a strong offensive line.

P-Worm

[themoonisdown09]

... and more praising for Tebow by the commentators.

[furcalchick]

Is anyone else unimpressed by this game? Where is this amazing offence from both teams? I guess neither team wanted to be here like Alabama didn't want to be in the Sugar Bowl.

good question. thing is ou has no defense and the gator defense shut down the ou offense all night.

also, i kinda just want to watch the game on mute. they should have the best commentators for premier events.

i muted fox the whole time. i've been listening to the local radio station that is airing the gator commentators for the sound.

I'm tired of Fox talking about Tebow like he's the second coming.

that's why i have gator homers doing it for me on the radio. lol.

btw, spongebob bowlflop does it again. if you don't get it, listen to the herd tomorrow.

[det2004]

You have to be joking. There have been so many bad tackles I don't know what to make of it. There are more holes in the defensive lines than swiss cheese - and from what I can make of it, that isn't due to a strong offensive line.

P-Worm

There's always missed tackles in any game, but the tipped passes, the goal line stands, and the constant pressure on the QB's has been good.

[themoonisdown09]

Now's the time to start cussing, drinking more and go to bed!

[rhett7660]

... and more praising for Tebow by the commentators.

Good lord can they stop already!

[themoonisdown09]

Good lord can they stop already!

Did I just hear one of them say they wanted to sleep with him?

[donga]

congrats gators. well played.

[obey908]

great game

oklahoma deserved the loss with all that **** talking

1. florida
2. usc
3. texas
4. utah
5. oklahoma

[dukebound85]

... and more praising for Tebow by the commentators.

yea its quite sickening

these commentators want to make a love child with him:cool:

great game though. it came down to 2 stands within the 5 by UF that prevented OU from winning

really imressed with both teams defenses

heisman curse continues

[twoodcc]

the game was pretty fun to watch, and closer than i thought. of course i would have liked to see more scoring.

but i did not like hearing all the stuff about tebow

[themoonisdown09]

If you didn't know Tebow's life story before, you do after tonight!

I do think the game was intense because it was so close, but I think it could have been better.

[obey908]

i find announcers sickening when they talk about usc. but tebow? doesn't bother me

and i hope utah fans realize they would not be able to play to the level/talent of these 2 teams

[dukebound85]

i find announcers sickening when they talk about usc. but tebow? doesn't bother me

and i hope utah fans realize they would not be able to play to the level/talent of these 2 teams

love to discredit utah eh? i remember you saying the same about bama

ideally, theyd settle it on the field. until then you can specualte all you want but thats all it is specualtion

[dukebound85]

If you didn't know Tebow's life story before, you do after tonight!

I do think the game was intense because it was so close, but I think it could have been better.

and boy do i feel like quite the underachiever....

[SlasherDuff]

All I can say is MacDawg isn't gonna be happy

[Badandy]

Congrats to the Florida Gators, winner of the BCS National Championship Game.

Congrats to ______, the best team in college football.

[majordude]

It looked like Stoops wanted to cry in those final minutes. :(

[gibbz]

It looked like Stoops wanted to cry in those final minutes. :(

It has got to wear on him. But hey the guy has taken his team to 4 title games in 9 years.

[Cave Man]

great game

oklahoma deserved the loss with all that **** talking

1. Utah
2. Texas
3. Florida
4. Oklahoma
5. USC
21. School of the Blind and Deaf
22. Penn State

There, I fixed it for you. ;)

[Badandy]

There, I fixed it for you. ;)

Haha, USC at number 5. What a joke. :D

[dmr727]

Dammit, I'm gonna have to agree with Badandy again. :D

I think there's no way to rank Utah, Florida, and USC in the top three. Put them in any order you wish, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree.

That's why we need a playoff.

[dukebound85]

Utah #2 in final AP poll

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3820715

MWC finished with 2 top 10 teams and 3 top 25

not a bad showing

[donga]

Utah #2 in final AP poll

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3820715

MWC finished with 2 top 10 teams and 3 top 25

not a bad showing

yeah utah got 16 first place votes... tells you something about the voters and what they think of this bcs stuff

[johnmartin78]

You have to be a total goof to think Utah should be ranked higher than Florida.Utah plays in one of the weakest conferences in the nation.Florida not only plays in the strongest conference,SEC,they also play in the state of Florida,the best state in collegiate football.Utah plays against teams like Weber State,and Air Force.....The SEC on any given year had at least a half a dozen teams that can play for the championship,the only thing stopping them,is that they have to play each other.Other conferences around the country,including *gasp* the Big 10 and Big 12 are made up of about 2 or 3 good teams,and a bunch of nobody's.
Playing in the state of Florida in addition to the SEC,Florida on a yearly basis has one of the toughest schedules in football.

[majordude]

Sorry to see the season's over. Frankly, I thought last nights game was a let down and an overall bad production. I've never seen such a herky-jerky game, there wasn't any fluidity. And the commentators were clowns... losing track of downs, brown nosing the ol' Tebow, problems with highlights... :eek:

And to all you armchair hypocrites who say the BCS system sucks and Utah should be #1... dudes, THAT IS the very essence of the BCS system! Utah never played Florida and yet you know they are better than such and such a team. How do you know? How is that any different than any other poll? :mad:

[iSaint]

Hasn't the SEC won three straight National Titles? And six of 11 BCS National Title games?

Can't argue with winning.

[rhett7660]

Well folks it has been another year of College Football. The trials, the tears, the laughter, the sorrow........

***Damn you Florida Gators***

So let the ***** talking begin about who will be king for next year. We all now the final standings, like them or not it is what it is.................

[themoonisdown09]

I'm just hoping that Michigan has a much, much, MUCH better season in 2009.

How many days until the next season anyways?

[P-Worm]

How many days until the next season anyways?

Too long, my friend, too long.

With that said, I am so proud of what my Utes accomplished this year. If you had told me if they would wind up #2 at the beginning of the season, I would have told you you were crazy.

Go Utes!

P-Worm

[obey908]

107 more days until our blue and white game! haha

[rhett7660]

I'm just hoping that Michigan has a much, much, MUCH better season in 2009.

How many days until the next season anyways?

You and me both.......

Roll Tide
Go Big Blue...

[obey908]

http://photos-a.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v646/153/44/1311832/n1311832_34324680_5084.jpg

[P-Worm]

obey908's picture

Priceless.

P-Worm

[SLC Flyfishing]

.....The SEC on any given year had at least a half a dozen teams that can play for the championship............

And non automatic qualifying conferences (no matter how strong they are) have none. That's the big problem, it's not because they aren't good enough to compete, it's that they aren't permitted to play for the title.

I don't think that anyone here can look at the level of play in SEC championship, the Sugar Bowl, and the Game last night and say Utah wouldn't have an excellent chance to beat Florida. At least not if they are honest with themselves.

But they didn't have a chance to beat Florida, they weren't allowed to even play Florida. I think Urban Meyer knew his team wasn't the best last night, I mean he's the cockiest coach in college football and he has had no problem in the past saying there are none better than his teams. But last night he declined to say whether or not he thought that there was another team 'cough' UTAH 'cough' that was better and that should have been playing for the title. If he didn't think so, he would have come right out and said so believe me!


The BCS is going down, and soon. Mark my words!

SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

...........Utah never played Florida and yet you know they are better than such and such a team. How do you know? How is that any different than any other poll? :mad:

Hey we'd play em if they would agree to schedule us. It's not our fault if we have trouble getting the big teams out to play us. It's probably because we have an overwhelmingly winning record against BCS schools. And that if Florida had played us and lost this year, even though we were top 10 for a good chunk of the season, it would have hurt them worse than losing to the unranked team they did.

I ask you this, how do you know Florida would beat Utah. Seems a lot of folks were certain that Alabama would beat Utah, but we all know how that turned out don't we. I think (though I'd never claim to be certain) that Utah could beat Florida on any given day, I think that they have that much of a better team. My Utes were coached by Urban Meyer just before he went to Florida, and I can honestly say that I'd rather have Whittingham as our coach right now. I've no doubt that if the BCS powers that be had balls and souls, and let Utah rightfully play for the title, we'd be celebrating our first National Championship this morning at the U of U campus.

But without a playoff it's all speculation on both sides of the argument, and that does indeed make the BCS suck! With a playoff, we'd have an undisputed Champion every single year. You don't win, you don't get to be Champion, that's a novel idea isn't it?

I'm off to buy my Utah 2009 National Champions sweatshirt now. (Yes they are out there, and no it's not the University that printed them).

Read the comments section following any story about last nights game to get a feeling for whether America thinks we crowned our college football champion last night!

SLC

[johnmartin78]

This is silly.......

Look at Utah's schedule,its a veritable who's who of football nobody's and underachievers.With the exception of Bama.

USC and Texas have a much stronger argument for the #1 spot,Utah is lucky to be #2.There's dozens of teams that would go undefeated with that weak schedule.I think my high school would have made a run for it against those teams.

[SLC Flyfishing]

This is silly.......

Look at Utah's schedule,its a veritable who's who of football nobody's and underachievers.With the exception of Bama.

USC and Texas have a much stronger argument for the #1 spot,Utah is lucky to be #2.There's dozens of teams that would go undefeated with that weak schedule.I think my high school would have made a run for it against those teams.

Well we already know Florida would have trouble with teams like Oregon State, they did lose to a team which was unranked ya know!

Utah is the only team in the Nation who doesn't have to explain a loss. We beat 2 teams that finished the season in the top 10, and those two teams possess the #2 and #5 ranked defenses in the nation. We beat them, and Offense is our weak spot!

Sorry, but you lost all credibility when you said there are dozens of teams that could go undefeated with that schedule, well unfortunately for you, Utah is the only one who did this year. USC couldn't, because the team they lost to was on our schedule and we beat them. And seeing how Texas struggled with Ohio State, I really don't think they could either. I don't think Florida or Oklahoma could get all the way through the MWC undefeated, they'd have to play Utah afterall!

Your pathetic understanding of the game, and SEC snobbery is really showing now!

You do know that our "Weak" conference is undefeated against the SEC this year right?

SLC

[dmr727]

So uhhhhh.....now what?

[SLC Flyfishing]

So uhhhhh.....now what?

I don't know, admitedly I'm miffed about the way this season ended. But does anyone else think that this college season kinda feels like a letdown overall?

SLC

[P-Worm]

I don't know, admitedly I'm miffed about the way this season ended. But does anyone else think that this college season kinda feels like a letdown overall?

SLC

Not me. The Utes getting #2 is a huge step towards getting rid of this BCS nonsense. After watching all the bowl games, I'm convinced Utah could beat these teams and be #1, but I'm happy for what we got. #2 is more than I could have imagined.

P-Worm

[SLC Flyfishing]

Not me. The Utes getting #2 is a huge step towards getting rid of this BCS nonsense. After watching all the bowl games, I'm convinced Utah could beat these teams and be #1, but I'm happy for what we got. #2 is more than I could have imagined.

P-Worm

No, I agree with you 100%. I'm totally blown away at what the Utes were able to accomplish this year. And I do think that this may have been the dagger in the heart of the BCS. Now we just need to wait for it to bleed out!

But outside the Utes, the college season as a whole seems like a letdown. Each of the historically great teams found a way to slip up somewhere, Oklahoma was great all year, and I don't fault them for their loss to Texas at all. But I do fault them for their loss to the Gators, even though I was pulling for Florida to win. Oklahoma (the team with a 65 point scoring average in the last basically half of the season) only scores 14 in the Big game, that's a huge letdown and sorta sums up the season as a whole.

2009 will forever be remembered as the year where the Title was in question, and the Big Boys choked a big one as far as I'm concerned.

SLC

[SactoGuy18]

I just finished seeing the VCR recording of the game last night and I'm convinced that bad luck and a couple of sequences of poor play calling did in the Sooners.

[dukebound85]

I just finished seeing the VCR recording of the game last night and I'm convinced that bad luck and a couple of sequences of poor play calling did in the Sooners.

yea i agree. the game was controlled bu OU imo. just couldnt execute within the 5yd line lol

owell, the winner takes advantage of those mistakes and clearly florida knew how to capitalize

[themoonisdown09]

I don't know, admitedly I'm miffed about the way this season ended. But does anyone else think that this college season kinda feels like a letdown overall?

SLC

YES! Of course, that's just because Michigan had so many seniors leave and so many freshman start. I think that Rich Rodriguez will do a good job with the team, but it will take some time.

Next season, Michigan will take over!

[rhett7660]

YES! Of course, that's just because Michigan had so many seniors leave and so many freshman start. I think that Rich Rodriguez will do a good job with the team, but it will take some time.

Next season, Michigan will take over!

Bubs.. when I said let the ***** talking begin, I didn't mean get all crazy on us. Trust me I am hoping but I am not saying anything lol...

[evilgEEk]

Well, I finally just came out of my media bomb shelter because I had to record the game last night and only just watched it. :)

I knew it was going to be a low-scoring game, but I was really hoping Tebow would get his comeuppance. There's always next year.

Not much else to say about the game, so on to the final rankings!

I'm pretty proud of the non-BCS. We almost had THREE teams in the top ten! I'm disappointed that Oregon passed Boise State being as though we beat them in their house, but I wasn't surprised. But three teams in the top 11 is pretty impressive as well. Go non-BCS! :D

Seems there's a decent chance Boise State will begin next season pre-ranked in the top ten.

For a year that was dubbed "rebuilding" at the beginning of the season I'm pretty happy for my Boys in Blue!

Here's to next season!

:D

[dukebound85]

well let the tebow mania begin AGAIN
hes coming back

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3825566

[Sweetfeld28]

well let the tebow mania begin AGAIN
hes coming back

Its official, I hate that guy. :D

[majordude]

hes coming back

Ironically, you're making him sound like Jesus. :rolleyes:

And it's pretty bad when people would rather be a Florida Gator for free than a Detroit Lion for $38 million dollars. :eek:

[jimothyGator]

Ironically, you're making him sound like Jesus. :rolleyes:

And it's pretty bad when people would rather be a Florida Gator for free than a Detroit Lion for $38 million dollars. :eek:

Even if Tebow had entered the draft, I don't think he'd be headed to the Lions. They'll probably pick up Stafford, who fits into the role of NFL passer better than Tebow.

What I do know is that it's great to be a Florida Gator! I've got to get my rear in gear and put up my photos from Miami.

[dsnort]

What I do know is that it's great to be a Florida Gator!

+1

Even with all the haters, it great to be a Florida Gator!

[rhett7660]

The final rankings are up:


http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/powerRankings?MSNHPHMA

Just saw this came out on the 11th... sorry if it is a double post..

[obey908]

those are final according to fox. i hate fox. they don't broadcast college football all year, then we get stuck with them and their crappy announcers for the bowls

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex ...thats the real final

[jimothyGator]

those are final according to fox. i hate fox. they don't broadcast college football all year, then we get stuck with them and their crappy announcers for the bowls

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex ...thats the real final

I'm happy with the rankings, no matter who's making them. :) Now, once Harvin and Spikes announce their intentions, I can relax until September. Well, relax might not be the right word.

[majordude]

those are final according to fox. i hate fox. they don't broadcast college football all year, then we get stuck with them and their crappy announcers for the bowls

I agree. Plus their NFL "A Team" with Joe Buck is bad. He has no emotion and isn't a football guy either.

AND... their sporting events are 720 instead of 1080 HD! Grrrr! :mad:

[johnmartin78]

Honestly if there was a NCAA playoff,I would miss bowl games.Unless they did something like play bowl games,then have the #1 and #2 teams after bowl season play a final championship game.

But we gotta remember these are school kids playing,and we gotta be careful how many games we make them play in.

[majordude]

Look at the NFL. No one is happy that the Eagles or Cardinals are playing for their conference championship. The Chargers had a poor record as well. This is what happens with a playoff system. The regular season means nothing.

Frankly, with bowl viewership up an average of 3% (http://blog.al.com/solomon/2009/01/bowl_tv_ratings.html), the BCS isn't going anywhere.

Bowl TV Ratings (with increase/decrease from last year)
BCS Title Game, 15.8 (+10%)
Rose, 11.7 (+5%)
Fiesta, 10.4 (+35%)
Sugar, 7.8 (+11%)
Capital One, 6.4 (-30%)
Orange, 5.4 (-27%)
Champs Sports, 4.5 (+41%)
Cotton, 4.4 (+26%)
Gator, 4.1 (+58%)
Emerald, 4.0 (+29%)
Meineke Car Care, 3.9 (+22%)
Alamo, 3.9 (+70%)
Holiday, 3.9 (+5%)
Chick-fil-A, 3.4 (-23%)
Poinsettia, 3.2 (+88%)
Outback, 2.7 (-7%)
Hawaii, 2.6 (+100%)
Music City, 2.4 (-29%)
Liberty, 2.3 (-34%)
Sun, 2.2 (-4%)
New Mexico, 2.2 (+29%)
Las Vegas, 2.2 (+5%)
Motor City, 2.1 (-9%)
Humanitarian, 2.1 (+200%)
EagleBank, 1.9 (New Bowl)
International, 1.8 (+29%)
Papajohns.com, 1.7 (-12%)
GMAC, 1.7 (+70%)
Armed Forces, 1.4 (-18%)
St. Petersburg, 1.1 (New Bowl)
Independence, 0.8 (-50%)
New Orleans, 0.7 (-50%)
Insight, 0.4 (0%)
Texas, 0.1 (-67%)

[johnmartin78]

Bowl games bring in a ton of money for the schools too.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Bowl games bring in a ton of money for the schools too.

That's a lie, most Schools end up having to pay money from their athletic funds just to attend Bowl Games. The Poinsettia Bowl between Boise State and TCU this year, which was regarded as the most exciting non-BCS bowl going into bowl season; only pays $750,000 to teams attending. After the team, the marching band, the equipment and all that goes along with it is shipped to the location and kept there for a few days that money is all but gone, and many times it is gone and the University is left with a bill.

It's essentially only the BCS games that actually end up being profitable for the schools. And even then, if it's a non-BCS school the profits are not what I'd call "tons of money for the school"

SLC

[gibbz]

It's probably because we have an overwhelmingly winning record against BCS schools.
SLC

Hardly overwhelming.

Since 2000, Utah is 17-10 (.629) versus BCS schools. Pretty good, but let's dig deeper by looking at each season, I'll post the opponent, their opponent's overall record that year, and the outcome.

2000
Arizona (5-6) L
California (3-8) L
Washington St. (4-7) L

2001
Indiana (5-6) W
Oregon (11-1) L
USC (6-6) W

2002
Arizona (4-8) L
Indiana (3-9) W
Michigan (10-3) L

2003
Cal (8-6) W
Oregon (8-5) W
S. Miss (9-4) W
Texas A&M (4-8) L

2004
Arizona (3-8) W
N. Carolina (6-6) W
Pitt (8-4) W
Texas A&M (7-5) W

2005
Arizona (3-8) W
Georgia Tech (7-5) W
N. Carolina (5-6) L

2006
UCLA (7-6) L

2007
Louisville (6-6) W
Oregon St. (9-4) L
UCLA (6-7) W

2008
Alabama (12-2) W
Michigan (3-9) W
Oregon St. (9-4) W

So in summary, your 'overwhelming' wins came against teams with a combined record of 109-100 (.521). In fact, Alabama is the only BCS school that Utah has beaten who had more than 9 wins. Over half of the wins (9) came against teams with a non-winning record. Your losses came against teams with a record of 62-57 (.521). Over half of the losses (6) came against teams with a non-winning record. Utah has lost to opponents which have the same winning percentage to those that they beat, both of which are mediocre. The combined record of BCS opponents Utah faced in these 27 games is 171-157 (.521). That translates to Utah winning against mediocre teams and losing against mediocre teams.

SLC, all you talk about is the number of wins that Utah has: 12-0 this year, and a winning record against BCS schools. You always fail to incorporate the quality of opponent that goes into those numbers. Frankly, Utah just doesn't stack up. I'm sorry, but the fact that Utah is 17-10 against teams that only have winning records of .521 (meaning the middle to lower schools of the BCS conferences) is indeed 'overwhelming', overwhelmingly mediocre and unimpressive that is. It proves nothings. Until you play BCS schools week in and out, and against the best teams at that (not the crappy schools of the BCS conferences), Utah has no argument that they play an equivalent schedule.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Hardly overwhelming.

Since 2000, Utah is 17-10 (.629) versus BCS schools. Pretty good, but let's dig deeper by looking at each season, I'll post the opponent, their opponent's overall record that year, and the outcome.

2000
Arizona (5-6) L
California (3-8) L
Washington St. (4-7) L

2001
Indiana (5-6) W
Oregon (11-1) L
USC (6-6) W

2002
Arizona (4-8) L
Indiana (3-9) W
Michigan (10-3) L

2003
Cal (8-6) W
Oregon (8-5) W
S. Miss (9-4) W
Texas A&M (4-8) L

2004
Arizona (3-8) W
N. Carolina (6-6) W
Pitt (8-4) W
Texas A&M (7-5) W

2005
Arizona (3-8) W
Georgia Tech (7-5) W
N. Carolina (5-6) L

2006
UCLA (7-6) L

2007
Louisville (6-6) W
Oregon St. (9-4) L
UCLA (6-7) W

2008
Alabama (12-2) W
Michigan (3-9) W
Oregon St. (9-4) W

So in summary, your 'overwhelming' wins came against teams with a combined record of 109-100 (.521). In fact, Alabama is the only BCS school that Utah has beaten who had more than 9 wins. Over half of the wins (9) came against teams with a non-winning record. Your losses came against teams with a record of 62-57 (.521). Over half of the losses (6) came against teams with a non-winning record. Utah has lost to opponents which have the same winning percentage to those that they beat, both of which are mediocre. The combined record of BCS opponents Utah faced in these 27 games is 171-157 (.521). That translates to Utah winning against mediocre teams and losing against mediocre teams.

SLC, all you talk about is the number of wins that Utah has: 12-0 this year, and a winning record against BCS schools. You always fail to incorporate the quality of opponent that goes into those numbers. Frankly, Utah just doesn't stack up. I'm sorry, but the fact that Utah is 17-10 against teams that only have winning records of .521 (meaning the middle to lower schools of the BCS conferences) is indeed 'overwhelming', overwhelmingly mediocre and unimpressive that is. It proves nothings. Until you play BCS schools week in and out, and against the best teams at that (not the crappy schools of the BCS conferences), Utah has no argument that they play an equivalent schedule.

Wow Gibbz, how much effort did you put into researching all that information? You seem to be really bent out of shape about this Utah talk that's been going around. I'd suggest giving up on it!

SLC

[benthewraith]

Wow Gibbz, how much effort did you put into researching all that information? You seem to be really bent out of shape about this Utah talk that's been going around. I'd suggest giving up on it!

SLC

So your only response to someone who posts statistics is an ad hominem? Right. Not helping your case for Utah.

[SLC Flyfishing]

So your only response to someone who posts statistics is an ad hominem? Right. Not helping your case for Utah.

What case for Utah?
If you are referring to them deserving a shot at the national title, then the case for Utah doesn't need any help. Especially not from this message board or it's readers. Anyone who's intellectually honest knows that they were robbed by a corrupt system, and that they have the single most compelling case to be allowed to play for the title, yet were not even considered.


SLC

[SLC Flyfishing]

And if you look at the numbers for the past 5 seasons, Utah is 13 and 4 against BCS schools. Utah's football team has really come into it's own since 2003 when Urban Meyer turned the program around.

Utah's BCS opponents since 2003 have had a record of 120 and 103 (0.538) and these teams represent the "higher caliber" conferences that Utah needs to play in in-order to be a legitimate title contender? All I see is a bunch of mediocre teams that seem weaker than the contenders in Utah's own Mountain West Conference.

SLC

[gibbz]

Wow Gibbz, how much effort did you put into researching all that information? You seem to be really bent out of shape about this Utah talk that's been going around. I'd suggest giving up on it!

SLC

Not much effort really. The internet is a vast expanse of information. I am not bent out of shape about anything. Utah is not the national champion and won't be this year, as much as it may hurt you to hear. Florida is the national champion (as much as it hurts me as a sooner fan to hear), which they won by a system that everyone played in.

I have nothing to get over. I simply provide stats to make my case instead of empty rhetoric such as "Anyone who's intellectually honest knows that they were robbed by a corrupt system." I don't know that everyone knows, show me some stats. You still never defended the stats I gave for the MWC here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=6891177&postcount=1877) or here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=6894112&postcount=1917).

And if you look at the numbers for the past 5 seasons, Utah is 13 and 4 against BCS schools. Utah's football team has really come into it's own since 2003 when Urban Meyer turned the program around.

Utah's BCS opponents since 2003 have had a record of 120 and 103 (0.538) and these teams represent the "higher caliber" conferences that Utah needs to play in in-order to be a legitimate title contender? All I see is a bunch of mediocre teams that seem weaker than the contenders in Utah's own Mountain West Conference.

SLC

Interesting logic. You try to discredit the "higher caliber" conferences by saying that your BCS opponents have had a winning percentage of only .538, implying that they are weak. Well I agree, your opponents have been weak because Utah has for the most part only played the lower tier teams of the BCS conferences. Until Utah routinely plays teams like Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, Georgia, USC, etc in the regular season, like the true contenders do, your twisted logic fails.

[jimothyGator]

I've posted some photos from the BCS NC in South Florida:

http://gallery.me.com/jimothy/100288

http://gallery.me.com/jimothy/100305

http://gallery.me.com/jimothy/100295

My shots from the game aren't anything all that great; go to Sports Illustrated for that. But taking pictures of the fans before, during, and after the game was great fun. Obviously, you'll see a Gator bias in these shots, but I do have a few pictures of smiling Oklahoma fans. Obviously, the smiles were before the game.

[evilgEEk]

Oh, we're still arguing about Utah?

Wake me up when all the whining is done (if ever).

[dmr727]

Hey Badandy - what do you think of Sanchez's decision to enter the draft? Pete didn't seem to think it was a good call, and I tend to agree. But I only saw three USC games this season - I figure I'd ask the resident USC jacka...errr...expert. :) :)

[gibbz]

Hey Badandy - what do you think of Sanchez's decision to enter the draft? Pete didn't seem to think it was a good call, and I tend to agree. But I only saw three USC games this season - I figure I'd ask the resident USC jacka...errr...expert. :) :)

Bradford not leaving cleared up one more spot in front of him. Maybe this was his best year to go. I agree that it doesn't seem like a good call.

[Badandy]

Hey Badandy - what do you think of Sanchez's decision to enter the draft? Pete didn't seem to think it was a good call, and I tend to agree. But I only saw three USC games this season - I figure I'd ask the resident USC jacka...errr...expert. :) :)

I think it's probably a good call. Not many people are mad at him on campus. You have to realize that while it's nice and all to want these kids to finish their education or stay "one more year", it's a business decision in the end. Put frankly, Sanchez is a very good quarterback, but not a once in a lifetime player like Reggie Bush. With players like Reggie Bush, they can come out whenever they want and get picked number 1 or 2. With Sanchez, I think the outside environment dictated his decision more than anything.

As the poster above me said, Bradford not coming out was pretty big in my opinion. The less competition the better and if he waited another year he'd have to compete with both Bradford and McCoy rather than just Stafford. I think he made the right decision for himself although it might hurt USC a little bit. Remember though, we have Mitch Mustain, Aaron Corp, and Matt Barkley, vying for the spot so it's not like we're in any trouble...

[jimothyGator]

Bradford not coming out was pretty big in my opinion. The less competition the better and if he waited another year he'd have to compete with both Bradford and McCoy rather than just Stafford.

And don't forget the Big 12's fourth best quarterback, Tebow! (Though I realize he may not be drafted as a QB).

[obey908]

sup guys? how did everyones team do on recruiting?

[evilgEEk]

The thread lives!!

I've been quite lost without college football. I can't wait for our local AFL2 team to start up so at least I have something to go see. Heh.

My Boise State Broncos did quite well in recruiting. What everyone around here is most looking forward to is QB Kellen Moore completing passes to his soon to be freshman brother WR Kirby Moore.

"Moore steps back in the pocket, throws... Moore catches it in the endzone! Moore to Moore for six more!!"

:D

[jimothyGator]

sup guys? how did everyones team do on recruiting?
The Gators scored well. Andre Debose looks prepped to fill the hole left by Harvin's departure.

Tennessee's new coach had some interesting and lively things to say about Florida's recruiting:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3887550&sportCat=ncf&w_cid=widgets:team:ncf:widgets.clearspring.com

[evilgEEk]

Kiffin is a moron.

He has some talented coaches behind him, but I still don't think Tennessee will amount to anything with him at the helm.

[dukebound85]

Kiffin is a moron.

He has some talented coaches behind him, but I still don't think Tennessee will amount to anything with him at the helm.

Id say hes doing pretty good!