Oh well.... No new PowerMacs

[edesignuk]

Bit disappointed by that really. They're gonna have to make the jump from 2GHz to 3GHz very quickly now if they're going to keep to their promise made last year.

Oh, and anyone who tells me to "stop all the whining, aren't you ever happy?" ...bite me! You can't tell me your happy there wasn't an update.

...but the iPod Mini's look good...:)

edit: wait, no, no they don't...scrap that.

[aswitcher]

Well I guess we wait until the end of the month and the official 20th anniversary...

[Dont Hurt Me]

I agree, mini ipods( yawn) and then to have pastel colors( yawn) big deal another player hits the market. What i want to see is Neatgekko chew off his hand and eat it as he promised. bet we dont see that troll again. Steve did say G5 this year so i guess all those G5 products are not ready. garage band looks good but Imac is stale, and the G5 isnt yet the fastest personal computer. Apple has work to do in the hardware dept. Software rules Hardware well all i can say is i guess they are working on it or waiting for suckers to by those G4's.

[MacNut]

Well the rumors were true about no new Powermacs at MWSF so i guess we wait and see what will be released in the comming weeks. We can assume no new Powerbooks till atleast March.

[Mr. Anderson]

I have to agree with the 20th anniversary thing - that and another great commercial for the superbowl.....

Can't wait to see what they come up with.

But I'm a little disappointed as well....

D :(

[edesignuk]

Another good point Dont Hurt Me, iMacs. For the money they cost, there technology is falling further and further behind that of the PC world (go on, flame me, but it's the truth). These are not cheap computers, yet they are using one processor that only slighty faster than one of the CPU's in my 2 year old PowerMac...this is not good!

I really do hope Apple can pull something out of the bag later in the month.

[MacNut]

Im suprised these Mini Ipods arnt cheaper why not spend another $50 and get a 15gb

[squirrellydw]

I also think that the offical b-day of the Mac Apple will release something new or updated. Hopefully a G5 iMac

[VectorWarrior]

Yeah, i agree with you. Utterly disappointed. I was so excited about this event and had my credit card ready to order a new powermac and possibly a new LCD monitor, but neither. From my point of view the round up of Mac World was an update to iLife (nice but not of great interest to me), new Xserves (again nice but a niche market and not my area), a smaller, overpriced iPod and a very basic music app. It's just not the massive event everyone was hyping it up to be.

Don't mean to be a grump but like i said i was all ready to buy stuff and had waited ages for this. Powermacs HAVE to be updated soon, we all know they are going to hit 3ghz in the summer and they are never going to leave them un-updated for a whole year so it'll probably be within the next few weeks but still...... And what about the LCDs, they are seriously lagging behind for the money and the styling is not up to date with current Apple designs.

[tom.96]

I wanted an anniversary cube. Maybe at the end of the month! A special edition G5 cube would rock

[edesignuk]

OMG! So many newbies!!! :eek: Welcome one and all :D

[Dont Hurt Me]

I mean really Powermac G5 isnt yet the fastest computer thats why those adds are gone, they were telling lies, Imac's technology has fallen so far behind the only thing its got going for it is a nice big screen you cant keep, what happened to those 3 gig G5's we were hearing about? they have been using the same Lcd screens for over 2 years. the more i think about it the more iam dissapointed. Very Glad i didnt decide to attend that thing it would have been a big let down. No anniversary mac. I guess i should be happy because if they would have done some of these things i would have only spent my money.:rolleyes:

[MacNut]

They arent going to update the Imacs with a G5 until the Powerbooks get the G5 and thats no going to happen till summer. Why would Apple shoot themselves in the foot with a cheaper G5 Imac thats a consumer machine and have a G4 Powerbook thats a Profesional machine.

[MoparShaha]

I agree with everyone here. I was so hyped up, and now I feel let down. Oh well. Anyways, Stevo kept saying Apple had tons of really cool stuff coming out this year, so I am going to be optimistic. They probably just didn't have everything ready for the expo. And as for Power Mac updates, they'll come in a few weeks, just like they did last year.

[edesignuk]

The worst thing is, you know when anything of any significance is eventually announced...it'll be months before anyone can actually get there hands on the damn things. I mean please, iPod Minis not globally available until April!?!?! WTF!?!?! :mad:

As others have said, the more I think about the whole thing the more disappointed I am...my PC friends are just gonna love this :rolleyes:

[MacNut]

Garage Band looks cool tho

[DVDSP]

I have to admit that I'm not surprised to see no G5 speed bumps. I mean, we just got the Dual 1.8 what, 2 months ago? It just seems too soon after that to expect big speed boosts to the G5. I'd even be surprised to see them by the end of the month. February seems more likely.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by MacNut
Garage Band looks cool tho
Well woopee! :rolleyes: :( Doesn't quite do it for me like a dual 2.2-2.6GHz G5, know what I mean?

[MacNut]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Well woopee! :rolleyes: :( Doesn't quite do it for me like a dual 2.2-2.6GHz G5, know what I mean?

January Isnt over yet

[MacNut]

Steve promised 3.0 ghz by summer so lets hold him to that, hes got time to prove himself

[Dont Hurt Me]

well after all the years of motorola not doing anything they have a lot of ground to make up for in the hardware line if they are to catch up and get even with Wintel,Amd. G4's anyway you look at it are a laugh when you compare performance. The only G5 that is close is the top end duallies and they are still using 2 cpu's to 1 lil old Intel. when Apple can break out a single G5 machine and say its just as powerful as a Intel machine then they have caught up. Right now Hardware is in Intel's rear view. I wonder how many more years it will take before we have hardware thats on Par with Intel. the way Apple charges you would think we are there now.

[MacNut]

We are a lot closer than we were a year ago

[Dont Hurt Me]

I cant but wonder how many people were holding off on getting that powermac they wanted, or imac or emac or ibook and powerbook. Keynote had to be a big let down for all those people who wanted a computer for christmas but waited.:(

[MacNut]

Don't forget Final Cut Express, I paid $99 for FCE1 and now all I need is another $99 for 2.0 so either way i saved $100 and got a nice Powerbook in the Process

[Lanbrown]

Originally posted by MacNut
They arent going to update the Imacs with a G5 until the Powerbooks get the G5 and thats no going to happen till summer. Why would Apple shoot themselves in the foot with a cheaper G5 Imac thats a consumer machine and have a G4 Powerbook thats a Profesional machine.

Because the consumer wants it and is easier and cheaper to put a G5 in an iMac then a PB. Apple needs to move away from the current crop of processors from Motorola. They entire line (excluding the PM) needs a shot in the arm, period. Waiting for the PB to get a G5 will only hurt the sales of the consumer machines. Holding back one product because of another in a different segment is ludicrous.

[edesignuk]

I now have to agree with Lanbrown, not long ago I would have said the same as MacNut; that PowerBooks need to get G5's before iMacs. But now the iMac is so far behind the PC competition it's not even funny. It can't be hard to get a 1.4-1.6GHz G5 in an iMac, and Apple should do it pronto!

I would love the family computer in my house (currently a 2.4GHz Compaq Evo D510) to be an iMac, but there is no way I'd tell my dad they are a good buy at the moment. a 17" iMac with 512MB RAM is £1,529. For that much you can get an Alienware 3.0GHz P4 (800MHz FSB w/ HT), 512MB DDR3200, Radeon 9600 XT 128Mb, 120GB SATA and have almost £100 change!!!!. There's just no contest!

[Sun Baked]

Darn it, those are the low power G5s in the XServe.

[agreenster]

Yeah, where is that NeatGekko troll anyway? Wonder if he'd like some tartar sauce to choke that thumb down. Does tartar sauce even go with gekko?

I must say I'm dissapointed. Very weak MWSF this year. Neat software, but 250 for a iPod mini? I guess I expected 100-150. They would dominate the market for SURE with a product like that.

I was all ready to buy the dual 2.6ghz G5 today. Bummer.

And iPhoto/iTunes had better stay free. Thats one of the cooler things about owning an Apple.

[Dont Hurt Me]

I really think they must have cut some deals with Moto saying to the effect we will buy x amount of G4's period. Like edesignuk has stated the so called consumer machines performance is so far behind we dont even see comparisons made anymore to what the Wintel world has. I to couldnt recommend a Imac to anyone except people who dont want performance? Emac has been crippled so it dont compete with Imac and Imac isnt competing with anything. it really is a no contest. Thank god they still have the best software otherwise the marketshare would be at 1%. Apple just cant seem to get away from crippling one line so it dont compete with another or any Pc's for that matter. The G5 is nice but it still isnt a P4 3.0. Hardware line seems to be falling further and further behind so instead of doing anything about it they are chasing the Mp3 market. If Xserve can handle 2 G5's there is no reason not to have a g5 at different clocks in every product they make. Emac 1.2 g5. Imac 1.4 and 1.8 G5s. Apple is screwing themself again, Its almost as if they dont want more then 5% marketshare.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by agreenster
Yeah, where is that NeatGekko troll anyway? Wonder if he'd like some tartar sauce to choke that thumb down. Does tartar sauce even go with gekko?

I must say I'm dissapointed. Very weak MWSF this year. Neat software, but 250 for a iPod mini? I guess I expected 100-150. They would dominate the market for SURE with a product like that.

I was all ready to buy the dual 2.6ghz G5 today. Bummer.

And iPhoto/iTunes had better stay free. Thats one of the cooler things about owning an Apple. I wonder if Neatgekko started with his thumb ( you know the one he's pulling out his( ) or perhaps is nibbling slowly on those fingernails working his way up to those knuckle sandwiches.

[agreenster]

Im sure we'll still see revisions before summer of the 2.6ghz kind. Maybe next month, now that Apple tends to do that right after MacWorlds now. Hope so!

[latergator116]

First off, ditto to the keynote being a letdown, etc. Second, I really do think there will be some good things coming soon. You have to remember, a lot of stuff they DONT release at the expos.

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Oh, and anyone who tells me to "stop all the whining, aren't you ever happy?" ...bite me! You can't tell me your happy there wasn't an update.

You can whine and bitch all you want, I don't care;)

No update is however good for us on the PC side, because it leaves the door open for AMD to push their Opteron's, and 64FX chip, faster before Apple.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
You can whine and bitch all you want, I don't care;)
Thank you kindley, I will :)
No update is however good for us on the PC side, because it leaves the door open for AMD to push their Opteron's, and 64FX chip, faster before Apple.
Isn't it just, Intel still own the 32-bit arena, and AMD own the 64-bit along with the G5. AMD will advance the A64 at a steady rate to keep ahead of Intel, Apple/IBM must keep going faster and faster to not end up like moto all over again.

[Sun Baked]

Maybe the G5s aren't going to be used because 7457-RM is just around the corner. http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?postid=380969

Only I think Motorola forgot which corner they parked them on again.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Only I think Motorola forgot which corner they parked them on again.
lol, yeah, maybe they got clamped?

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Like edesignuk has stated the so called consumer machines performance is so far behind we dont even see comparisons made anymore to what the Wintel world has. I to couldnt recommend a Imac to anyone except people who dont want performance?
Emac has been crippled so it dont compete with Imac and Imac isnt competing with anything. it really is a no contest. Thank god they still have the best software otherwise the marketshare would be at 1%.

Apple just cant seem to get away from crippling one line so it dont compete with another or any Pc's for that matter. The G5 is nice but it still isnt a P4 3.0. Hardware line seems to be falling further and further behind

I can get though the bad english to see your point and it is very real.
Apple is shooting itself in the foot by still using the G4 from Moto which was dated before it's release. The iBook is the only consumer laptop/computer that's processor is still on a 180nm chip. Come on apple lift your game.

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by agreenster
I must say I'm dissapointed. Very weak MWSF this year. Neat software, but 250 for a iPod mini? I guess I expected 100-150. They would dominate the market for SURE with a product like that.

I think we're all in a bit of shock here, but that's partly because we let our expectations get ahead of ourselves with regard to the $99 iPod and even NeatGekko's "I know for sure the 3 GHz's are coming" routine.

While everyone was trashing his, they'd end the comment with "But it sure would be nice if it were true." So we are probably more let down than most.

Most of us agree that we'll see new models in 4-6 weeks, and maybe with all the G5 shipping crap (I heard a rumor that one or two people had some delays:rolleyes: ) and the 15" screen release fiasco, Steve et al chose NOT to focus on hardware and bring up all those fresh and raw memories in Apple's user base (ie - now I wonder if they'll screw up THIS new model as well).

And regarding the mini iPod, while I would have liked to see a non-Hard drive implementation, that's probably still a few years away. But the more I think about the mini, I think they DO understand their market. They WON'T steal sales away from the iPod crowd, beacuse people in the know realize that $50 more buys a lot more storage. But the 256 MB mp3 players are pushing $200 in price, and I think that the Apple team is gunning for this market. Toss in an extra $50, and we'll give you 16 x's the storage.

[squirrellydw]

Try this on for size. On the official b-day of the Mac, Apple will update the PM to lets say 3g. They will release an all new iMac with a G5. I admit I am biased and want a G5 iMac. Now you may say that won’t happen because they just released the 20 inch but they did this for a reason. They are trying to get rid of those 20 inch screens so they can introduce the new ones. I am assuming the only difference between the iMac screen and the cinema screen is the way it is supported. The G5 PB will be released late this summer because it is still too early for them to have the chip cool enough for the laptop. YES NO??

[aswitcher]

Originally posted by squirrellydw
Try this on for size. On the official b-day of the Mac, Apple will update the PM to lets say 3g. They will release an all new iMac with a G5. I admit I am biased and want a G5 iMac. Now you may say that won’t happen because they just released the 20 inch but they did this for a reason. They are trying to get rid of those 20 inch screens so they can introduce the new ones. I am assuming the only difference between the iMac screen and the cinema screen is the way it is supported. The G5 PB will be released late this summer because it is still too early for them to have the chip cool enough for the laptop. YES NO??

Well I have my money ready for the G5 imac... I would prefer it if it had a new form factor in metal. Theres no point buying a iMac at present when old Power Mac g4's are a better buy...

[Dreadnought]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I cant but wonder how many people were holding off on getting that powermac they wanted, or imac or emac or ibook and powerbook. Keynote had to be a big let down for all those people who wanted a computer for christmas but waited.:(

Well, I have ordered mine dual 1.8 on 8 december 2003, and am still waiting... :(
Wanted to have it and expected it in my christmas holiday, but it didn't came, they said that it takes antoher three weekes at the earliest... And this was on monday. So, I thought I was lucky and would get a cpu upgrade free of charge from Apple, nut no new cpu's announced...

[aswitcher]

Originally posted by Dreadnought
Well, I have ordered mine dual 1.8 on 8 december 2003, and am still waiting... :(
Wanted to have it and expected it in my christmas holiday, but it didn't came, they said that it takes antoher three weekes at the earliest... And this was on monday. So, I thought I was lucky and would get a cpu upgrade free of charge from Apple, nut no new cpu's announced...

Well a three week delay could well be an indicator that an upgrade is due in that time frame... so it could work out well for you.

Jason

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says...I have been waiting for the "rev2" G5's to hit before I upgrade the dual800 and I was about 50/50 regarding the expectations of seeing it announced this week....obviously/logically we all know it is coming relatively soon so I can wait another few weeks...I think the real 20th anniversary later this month will bring something for us...hang in there.....oh yeah!

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says....and to add....for what it is worth, macosrumors posted tonight with this tidbit:
Senior Apple personalities who have been roaming the show floor post-keynote have been overheard pointedly dropping hints of an Apple event later in the month that will update the PowerMac G5 and at least one other Mac along with it -- and the upgrades will be "even more ambitious than what the rumor sites would have you expect"....
...again, the source may not be the most reputable, but in this case it makes a lot of sense....oh yeah!

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by edesignuk
As others have said, the more I think about the whole thing the more disappointed I am...my PC friends are just gonna love this :rolleyes:

You are on quite a roll here edesgnuk:), 'grumbles:' I bet if I went on such a rant RowerPC would shut me down:(.

Anyway yes, the more you look at this year's mac world the more you get disippointed. There is no way I'm spending $2300AUD, on the base model iMac, or over $1300AUD for the base model eMac. I'd be a fool.

Even the old G4 towers still are retailing for over $3000AUD. I mean come on. are apple trying to price themselves out of the market?

[Dreadnought]

I mean come on. are apple trying to price themselves out of the market? [/QUOTE]

They always have!! :D

[MacsRgr8]

Come on people.

We all know by now that Apple prefers NOT to update their hardware at MacWorlds, so no-one shoud have been expecting them. We all know that the Xserve G5s are using the new 90nm 970s.... put 2 and 2 together: Apple plans to post the new G5s when they are ready to ship. No fancy anouncement, followed by "shipping in about 6 weeks". Something simple: New PowerMac G5, up to Dual 2.5 GHz. Now shipping.

Sure, the mini iPod is way too expensive.
Sure the iMacs now are a bad investment (unless performance means absolutely nothing to you).

But once a new rumor "Apple Store Down!" is posted we will all be buzzing again.

[aswitcher]

Originally posted by MacsRgr8
Come on people.
-snip-
Sure the iMacs now are a bad investment (unless performance means absolutely nothing to you).

-snip-

Surely that's a signifcant problem for Apple presently?
If you expect everyone to afford a G5 PowerMac (likely dual) to get PC like performance, when your prices (at least here in Aus) mean your paying 25-40% more, I think its fair to say your not catering to the high level consumer / prosumer market which is reasonably signficant. I can't really afford to that sort of extra and alreading being a PC user and likely switcher I know for my money on hardware specs I would be far better off with a PC than a Mac. But OSX is so cool that this time I will switch for a few years to what I can afford to get the Mac experience but to what is the clear question given the iMac is under powered (32bit, low GHz and RAM) at present.

If the 20th Anniversary make is just a speed hike on the G5 and not something more revolutionary like a G5 iMac or possibly a new form factor G5 unit, then many (including me) will be disappointed.

Jason

[Dreadnought]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
There is no way I'm spending $2300AUD, on the base model iMac, or over $1300AUD for the base model eMac. I'd be a fool.

Manitou, you will never buy a Mac!

[psycho bob]

Before the doom and gloom completely takes over lets just remember things aren't all bad. The Pentium 4 may be faster at some benchmarks than the G5 but it ain't going anywhere. The recent P4 updates seem something of a desperate step by Intel, adding large cache and overclocking (Remind anyone of the G4?). The G5 is a vastly superior chip which in many ways is just as quick despite the clock differences yet is quieter and more efficient. AMD with the FX have the superior x86 Proc, it kicks seven shades out of the P4 and overclocks nicely, they have similar clock speeds to the G5 and aren't exactly shooting up the GHz ladder, no news on 90nm development either. This puts Apple/IBM in a strong position, we wouldn't even be having this discussion this time last year so :)
I quite agree we do need to see G5 or new G3 technolgy filter down to the rest of the Apple range to rejuvenate it somewhat. The eMac is unlikely to change, it was designed for education and still just about satisfies this price point. Remember that for none Pro/Pro sumer users the difference between a P4 and even a G4 is only a few seconds maximum at most tasks. The clock speeds tell of a huge gap and it is there but for many tasks you don't notice a difference, this in many ways is thanks to the OS which is one reason we have to be very thankful for Apple. M$ users can go on all they want about Longhorn but it is years off, as long as Apple keep up development then this is one area they have the lead in and will continue to.
Apples are not just about speed but also reliability and design. In this respect the iMac just about makes up for the lack of processing power but I can't see it being long b4 they are updated but I'm stilll not sure about the G5. Think howlong it took for the G4 to reach consumer level. I don't think we've heard the last of IBM's updated G3's yet! It's not 64bit but that makes bugger all difference as does the lack of 4gb RAM support, give it a high clock and bus speed and we may have a winner at least for a while giving the pro chip time to really find its feet, 65nm anyone?
For all those people who don't realise the potential of Garageband watch the key note demo and then look to do that on the x86 platform for below £200. Apple is primarily a software company (or at least was) software like this is where they innovate and drive forward, this is why I own a mac.
This year we need the following:
1.New consumer iMacs (whatever format they may take)
2.G5 PB (bring the pro laptop in line with the desktops and differentiate it from the consumer line)
3.Updated PM (lets keep the ball rolling)
4.A 64bit OS (or at least a more optimized OS, this will be the real breakthrough, get this and benchmarks become irrelevant until M$ release a good'n, first OS then software)

END RANT

[Prom1]

God Damn your all a bunch of insatiable babies!!! This is coming from a long time Windows user on a Dell 2.0Ghz P4 512MB Ram, blach blah......

What the hell will it take or when will all of you get over JUST THE SPECS of a friggin machine?!! First Apple said Mhz/Ghz isn't the only measure of performance, and we all had PC users laugh at that until for a while AMD themselves chimed in the same thing hence the AthlonXP line - gamers knew AMD machines got better performance than P4 until 2.8GHz came along. But pundits cried fowl and now the Ghz game is here again.

Waiting for the PB to get a G5 will only hurt the sales of the consumer machines. Holding back one product because of another in a different segment is ludicrous. Think about Inventory levels. A resellers and their corporate owned stores still have quite a bit of stock of the iMac 17" and the new 20" models as factory fresh units. Then what about the units that need to be repaired and sent back out to custi's? Now about the trade-ins, the oben box/previously owned units = this all adds up to money still to be made! Now if Apple just announced a G5 iMac to be released in 2 months do you really think those whom are going to buy/placed an order still waiting to be fulfilled/waiting for a repaired model are gonna want a G4 iMac? Duh.

Now for those that were waiting for a 2.2-2.6Ghz G5 PowerMac......I'm with you there, only because I WANT ONE MYSELF and the new models will cause revision A models down in price by at least 100 quid. But I think Apple may have been smart to bypass this mid-term release in favor of saving all of their research & development on new components (new interconnect chips and more L2 cache/ more Hyperconnections within the motherboard) to come to fruition on the 2.6-3Ghz G5 PowerMacs.

This is a 20Th Anniversay.....the eurphora should last the entire 2004 calendar year not just one keynote!!!Think Panther will be further tweaked, then announcements of newer software, along with a NEW OS X desktop and server versions late December but before then announcements of updated PowerMacs, iMacs/eMacs, then top off with PowerBooks G5 I hope as well.

Geeks we all are but we're still people. We need to use an efficient machine to do our work on! DO you not already realize that the some of the parts DO NOT EQUAL the whole when compared seperately???

I have a Dell that ran Windblows 2000Pro; was ok, I just upgraded to XP Pro SP1 and guess what? ALL of my six USB 2.0 ports aren't working!! You love dell chips so much? I f*$%ing hate Them big time. I wen't to my driver CD supplied by Dell NO HELP. Went to their online site, NO HELP. THen over online to Microsofts site updates for Windows XP, well I just will let you all guess, NADDA. Now over to Intel, some help in telling me that with XP Pro SP1 should have drivers already.....well no *****! downloaded some kind of utility that will help the OS properly use the drivers within itself.....many updates and STILL NO HELP.

You want Intel performance, then I suggest you and I do a trade; heck I'll suffice with a 600Mhz G3 iMac DV. You can Have my slim top!!

ever try MS Office on a 3Ghz P4 with NO other Applications installed and the HDD fully defragmented?? It pales in features, performance and usuability compared to whats offered on a Mac I know because I was honored to use a Quicksilver 733 which was equal to windows XP Home (OS X 10.1.5) on a P4 1.8 Ghz.

STOP WHINING and enjoy your Mac; if not give me your address and I'll break in to take it from ya and leave you my Dell, that'll give ya something to cry for!!!!!

[zuggerat]

amen to that man...and i never go to church

[Downdivx]

WHAA! I'm crying. I'm a college senior who is seriously considering switching. I've been thinking about it for a while and when the G5s were first released I got really excited. Now I'm almost in the financial position to do it, but I want to get the most for my money. I'm also into video editing and every burst of speed helps me.

So its not that a faster PM wasn't released, I just don't like this secrecy surrounding product releases. You don't have to announce an upcoming announcement, but some idea in the industry and news would help. Mac faithful love surprises in Keynote speeches, the rest of the world likes predictable upgrades and not getting screwed. Everyone knows about when the Auto Industry will release the next year's models. It doesn't hurt their sales - model year end sales are huge, and then the next week you pay more for something a little newer. That in turns eventually drops in price until it is replaced with something else.

Now, before I get flamed:
Of course I'm a newbie and I haven't even switched yet. The Mac culture is part of the alure of the switch, but I just don't think this business/upgrade model is competitive with Wintel. If Apple wants to seriously compete with Wintel they need a steady product upgrade path.
Of course the G5 2.0 is fast, very fast. But Mac needs to change the way it releases hardware. The PM is only one line of computers. If Apple really wants to be serious competition to Inetl and M$ there needs to be a consumer computer without an attached monitor. It needs to be comparable to a Wintel machine in performance and price. ($1000 Mac = 1000 PC). I know lots of students who are interested in switching. They're tired of the PC and like the idea of hardware and software support from one company, but they don't need a PM and the imac and emac don't fit their needs either.

In conclusion to this super long, opening quote - I've been watching from a far lately and I'm glad to finally be posting here. I can't wait to make the switch soon and I'll be asking for some hardware suggestions in the next couple of weeks. But I just want some more variety and predicitablity from Apple Hardware!

PS: My Predictions: Who ever said that faster G5s would be announced and then immediately ship, you've got to be kidding. This summer I know people who ordered the first week and still waited till mid/late August for single processors. If I had to make a prediction, I would say 3.0Ghz Dual G5s announced before the end of January (the Anniversery makes sense to me) but not shipping for up to 2 months. Apple is serious about cometiting with M$ and Intel and IBM is interested in beating Intel for bragging rights in the Professional Market - so this year we will see a ton of speed increases. I also want to see a consumer oriented Mac without a monitor.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by MacNut
January Isnt over yet
Well it is now (almost). And what has happened? Bugger all that's what. :rolleyes:

[DVDSP]

Originally posted by DVDSP
I'd even be surprised to see them by the end of the month. February seems more likely.

I'm sticking with this. Although, I guess I'm not gambling too much right now...:)

[NeatGekko]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I wonder if Neatgekko started with his thumb ( you know the one he's pulling out his( ) or perhaps is nibbling slowly on those fingernails working his way up to those knuckle sandwiches.

sheesh...they are coming..wait a bit, stuff comes up. Problems happen.

[matthew24]

Come on guys, give Apple some time to breathe. The new PowerMac G5 will come and be the indisputable King of performance.

[edesignuk]

I just love you Mac faithfuls, "give them time", "problems come up", blah blah, sheesh! A PowerMac update is overdue, and as for the iMac, my god, how much longer can they wait, it's starting to look like a dinosaur! :eek:

[aswitcher]

Originally posted by edesignuk
I just love you Mac faithfuls, "give them time", "problems come up", blah blah, sheesh! A PowerMac update is overdue, and as for the iMac, my god, how much longer can they wait, it's starting to look like a dinosaur! :eek:

here here. And where are the new displays...:confused:

[johnnyjibbs]

It's been abnormally quiet on the hardware front this last month or so.

But now the software updates are out of the way bring out the G5s!!