NetShare Unlikely to Return to U.S. App Store

[MacRumors]

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Despite some early assurances (http://www.nullriver.com/), it appears that Nullsoft's NetShare application may not return to the U.S. App Store at all. NetShare was an iPhone application that appeared briefly (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/01/netshare-tethering-app-reappears-on-app-store/) in the iTunes App Store before its removal. The application allowed users to share their iPhone's cellular internet connection with their laptop over Wi-Fi.

In speaking to Wired.com (http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/08/netshares-retur.html), the developer reports that Apple is currently reviewing user contracts with their mobile phone providers, including AT&T. Wired got hold of an AT&T spokesperson who confirmed that tethering is not allowed in the AT&T terms of service.

As a result, it seems unlikely that NetShare will return to the U.S. App Store but it does leave open the possibility that it will be available to international customers whose mobile carriers do not have such restrictions. Despite the removal of the application from the App Store, customers who purchased the application prior to its removal can continue to use it on their iPhones.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/08/netshare-unlikely-to-return-to-u-s-app-store/)

[WillMak]

Boooo what a cool app that was.

[macdork92]

its still possible if you jailbreak your phone, and its free!

[Juo100]

Glad my phone is jailbroken then, wonder what O2 will say about it.

[HLdan]

A few of you are gonna get a high bill.

[Silentwave]

Then Apple can refund my $9.99.

[Fabio_gsilva]

Luck ones that bought it!

I remember seeing a post of someone claiming that would laugh at the somebody that did not buy the App afraid that this would raise their bills with AT&T.

Well, it is your time to laugh a lot!!!:D:D

[JSUDaniel]

This really sucks... What a great app and with "unlimited" data what the heck is the problem. I wish that ATT was not so money hungry and were more concerned about customer service. THIS SUCKS!!! I wasn't one of the lucky ones to get in on this when it was available. Maybe I'll just go the other route and jailbreak my phone and switch back to T-mobile :mad:

[juice831]

Kinda glad I have it but I've never really had to use it other than the time I set it up and tested it haha

[jessem]

the "unlimited" is very misleading, I would dispute any billing issues if I were one of those people with a high bill. I bought it, but just as utility I don't think i'll use it to download anything large.

[mr.stinki]

Then i expect a refund. After downloading the App, it deleted itself from my iTunes library and from my iPhone. I can't find it on any of my time machine backups either.

-extends hand to steve- Pay up, Steve...

[deannnnn]

AT&T should make their own tethering App & charge monthly for it.

[~Shard~]

Too bad they decided to discontinue this app, it's quite ingenious as well as useful for those with unlimited data plans. I give the creators credit for thinking outside the box with respect to this app, it's a shame people will not be able to use it.

[jordo]

Ok, so let me get this straight. If you pay for unlimited data transfer through AT&T with an iPhone plan, right? And both Verizon and Sprint permit tethering. So if you pay for unlimited data, why is it not permitted? If a customer want something, be it a good or a service, it is in a company's best interest to provide said good or service to them, even if there is an extra charge for it. All AT&T is doing is just slowing down progress, while continuing on with all of this contract nonsense, IMO.

[Bobjob186]

AT&T should make their own tethering App & charge monthly for it.

They do, it's the $45 package

[deannnnn]

Ok, so let me get this straight. If you pay for unlimited data transfer through AT&T with an iPhone plan, right? And both Verizon and Sprint permit tethering. So if you pay for unlimited data, why is it not permitted? If a customer want something, be it a good or a service, it is in a company's best interest to provide said good or service to them, even if there is an extra charge for it. All AT&T is doing is just slowing down progress, while continuing on with all of this contract nonsense, IMO.

They permit it if you pay extra every month... as does AT&T... on their other cell phones. Who knows why they don't offer it on the iPhone.

[NerveGas]

Tethering is still easy to accomplish with a jailbroken iPhone (see Pwnage). Cydia hosts the SOCKS relay (srelay) tool. Follow these simple instructions to tether (although they are a bit verbose)...

http://zdziarski.com/papers/tethering.txt

[bacaramac]

Glad I got this, may only use it here and there, but will be nice when it is needed. I just can't believe that Apple/AT&T cannot add native tethering functionality and just charge the $30 they do today for other devices.

I wish AT&T would handle the iPhone like every other phone they carry (i.e. optional data plan, etc). This whole "iPhone is special crap" is getting old.

[alphaod]

Luck ones that bought it!


Well I'd rather have my $10 back. Don't even own the iPhone.

the "unlimited" is very misleading, I would dispute any billing issues if I were one of those people with a high bill. I bought it, but just as utility I don't think i'll use it to download anything large.

They don't charge you more, they just cut off your internet for abuse of service.

[manhattanboy]

Thank god I bought this
I was gonna hold out for a true BT DUN but it looks like that will never be allowed

[dissdnt]

yah good thing i grabbed this when it was available.

[GeekLawyer]

This blows.

I'll have to continue to lug around my Samsung 3G phone and sim swap tool...

[bradl]

okay.. common sense question here.

So it's not allowed per ATT's terms, so it was dropped from the App store. But if this is allowed on other networks outside of ATT (Rogers, O2, Telstra, Vodafone, etc.) wouldn't it be logical to throw it up on the App stores for those particular countries? and if possible, couldn't you point your copy of iTunes to the App Stores outside the US (I assume there are others, not just the single App Store), or download an int'l version of iTunes, start it up, buy the app there, sync it to your iPhone, and off you go again?

Or am I way off base?

BL.

[jdavtz]

Glad my phone is jailbroken then, wonder what O2 will say about it.

I don't think O2 have a problem with it, it's just AT&T AFAIK.

[ramico86]

I don't think O2 have a problem with it, it's just AT&T AFAIK.

I just made the iphone update and I lost the netshare app, how can i get it back?
thank you

[bensparrow]

I don't want to come across all cynical, because like most people on here, I am a major Apple fan boy, so thats my little disclaimer.
But when I was thinking about upgrading my phone a couple of months ago and in doing so, contemplating the iPhone, one of the major pulls of holding out for me was the upcoming App Store. In theory I feel it provides a great platform for developers to supply software that people actually want.
But now we've had the App store for a month, I cant help but feel its all a little bit lackluster.. The apps that would of genuinely been of use, such as Netshare internet tethering and proper sat-nav, still havent materialized, largely because of all the red-tape, whether this be from Apple or the network providers.
I mean here in the UK, if i look at the App store now, the most popular paid for app is 'Koi Pond'.. I mean get real!! Closely followed by other simple games and a couple of convertor tools.
In the end I actually went for a Nokia e71 blackberry/nokia hybrid mainly for other reasons.. Namely the full physical QWERTY keypad. Its not perfect but thats a whole other thread and Im kind of getting off the point here!
But what Im trying to illustrate is that as of yet, for me, the App store has been a disappointment which is not helped by the removal of actually useful software like Netshare...
:)

[Loge]

I don't think O2 have a problem with it, it's just AT&T AFAIK.

Terms and conditions below. The bit about "on your iPhone only" suggests it might be a problem, but I'm interested to hear other views.

UNLIMITED DATA / WIFI EXCESSIVE USAGE POLICY
Your O2 tariff for iPhone allows you unlimited use of Telefónica O2 UK Limited's Edge / GPRS networks and The Cloud's UK Wireless LAN network, for personal internet use, email and Visual Voicemail (VVM) on your iPhone only. All usage must be for your private, personal and non-commercial purposes.
You may not use your SIM Card in any other device, or use your SIM Card or iPhone to allow the continuous streaming of any audio / video content, enable Voice over Internet (Voip), P2P or file sharing or use them in such a way that adversely impacts the service to other customers of O2 or The Cloud. If O2 reasonably suspect you are not acting in accordance with this policy O2 reserves the right to impose further charges, impose network protection controls which may reduce your speed of transmission or disconnect your tariff at any time, having attempted to contact you first.

[Ticcioni]

N/a

[gcmexico]

glad I got it!! Apple better not disable the app on the next software update!!:mad:

[Detlev_73]

Because dear comrade, since we unfortunately don't live in a socialist society, capitalism dictates that power-hungry, money-hungry, blood-sucking, life-draining, Wraith-like companies can stick it to the common man, and charge you for every little improvement of life you might enjoy.

This is exactly the reason that I chose to get rid of my Laptop Connect card I got from AT&T right before my 30 days were up before they required the $200 cancellation fee. It would have been nice to tether my future 32GB iPhone to my Macbook Air and not have to pay an additional $60 a month. Oh well, when we ALL realize that progress for its own sake and the progress of humankind, as opposed to progress for profit is worth more, then we will have a world closer to that illustrated in Star Trek. ;)

Ok, so let me get this straight. If you pay for unlimited data transfer through AT&T with an iPhone plan, right? And both Verizon and Sprint permit tethering. So if you pay for unlimited data, why is it not permitted? If a customer want something, be it a good or a service, it is in a company's best interest to provide said good or service to them, even if there is an extra charge for it. All AT&T is doing is just slowing down progress, while continuing on with all of this contract nonsense, IMO.

[FreeState]

I bought this app an it took iTunes 1 week to charge me. Now I have been charged. I hope I get a refund for this app or a gift card towards more apps. I have yet to have apple remove this app from my phone or laptop. I do have dial-up. This might be reason...... Go for AT&T!!!!!!!

Apple is not going to refund you or remove it. I suspect those that lost it when they updated their phones did not properly back up the phone and/or transfer their purchases back to their computer before updating.

The app still works... so why get a refund?

[joeconvert]

I wish AT&T would handle the iPhone like every other phone they carry (i.e. optional data plan, etc). This whole "iPhone is special crap" is getting old.

Best point made so far. It is getting old.

[atomwork]

Ok, so let me get this straight. If you pay for unlimited data transfer through AT&T with an iPhone plan, right? And both Verizon and Sprint permit tethering. So if you pay for unlimited data, why is it not permitted? If a customer want something, be it a good or a service, it is in a company's best interest to provide said good or service to them, even if there is an extra charge for it. All AT&T is doing is just slowing down progress, while continuing on with all of this contract nonsense, IMO.

To "please" a customer was in a time before "Shareholder value" was created. Nowadays we should only "consume".

[queshy]

too bad...:(

[Full of Win]

Wonder if Apple will tell ATT the phone numbers of those who bought it, so that we can get some extra attention to our usage logs (or whatever they call them)? Hmmmmm.....

[Loge]

Wonder if Apple will tell ATT the phone numbers of those who bought it, so that we can get some extra attention to our usage logs (or whatever they call them)? Hmmmmm.....

Surely they are not allowed to do that?

[plumbingandtech]

I will sell you my iPhone with netshare on it.

$999

I AM RICH!!!! :D:D

[candan9019]

Here in Canada Rogers 6GB plan allows tethering, so it would be nice if they began offering it on the Canadian App Store again.

[BklynKid]

Glad I got mine! HAH! :rolleyes: :D ;)

[thisisarcadia]

I love NetShare i got it the second time it appeared on the U.S. Store and i went to ATT the other day and asked about the data plan and if it was really unlimited or not and they told me that unlimited data means unlimited data so i have been using the hell out of netshare! I use it at school to bypass our blocks. The only problem is if you use it for a long amount of time your iphone 3G gets really really hot!

[gcmexico]

Glad I got mine! HAH! :rolleyes: :D ;)
*
no need to rub it in..lol

[thomasfxlt]

I suppose ATT is concerned about all the hi-bandwidth video content that would inevitably clog their network. Regardless, ATT needs to recognize that the iPhone itself may be a killer device but it's the applications that will truly drive the market. One way or another they need to allow tethering through the iPhone. All this secrecy and no-comment crap is going to really give other companies (even with less desireable handsets) an opening they shouldn't get and don't deserve. Very shortsighted IMO. I've been a proponent of the ATT/Apple relationship up to now. This is just stupid. Jobs needs to bludgeon some sense into their CEO's head. This could be a breaking point in this partnership. It's akin to the airlines charging for water. If I was Jobs I'd tell ATT "no way you're going to be allowed to limit our market with a policy that is so inconsistent with the competition and within your own organization".

[entropys]

Because dear comrade, since we unfortunately don't live in a socialist society, capitalism dictates that power-hungry, money-hungry, blood-sucking, life-draining, Wraith-like companies can stick it to the common man, and charge you for every little improvement of life you might enjoy.

Of course in socialist countries it is the government that behaves like that and does this to you, but unlike in capitalist countries, you can't take your business elsewhere.

..........when we ALL realize that progress for its own sake and the progress of humankind, as opposed to progress for profit is worth more, then we will have a world closer to that illustrated in Star Trek. ;)

Oh, I see you have developed your rather shallow understanding of political systems from that bad space opera (STNG or especially that space station travesty) that evolved from the more fascist/militaristic TOS.;)

[essinger]

I don't know why everybody is jumping on AT&T for not allowing tethering. They do for every other device they carry. Surely they would be more than happy to sell that feature to iPhone customers too. Remember how Apple bragged about how they were setting the terms in their relationship with AT&T. Apple is the one that doesn't allow the iPhone to have a tethering plan . . . yet. I suspect Apple was already working on a full-fleged tethering app and will offer it as a feature upgrade to the iPhone in the near future.

[megfilmworks]

I don't know why everybody is jumping on AT&T for not allowing tethering. They do for every other device they carry. Surely they would be more than happy to sell that feature to iPhone customers too. Remember how Apple bragged about how they were setting the terms in their relationship with AT&T. Apple is the one that doesn't allow the iPhone to have a tethering plan . . . yet. I suspect Apple was already working on a full-fleged tethering app and will offer it as a feature upgrade to the iPhone in the near future.Att does offer a tethering plan for the iPhone...
That is why the app was removed.

[essinger]

Att does offer a tethering plan for the iPhone...
That is why the app was removed.

Well that makes perfect sense. So why are all these people claiming AT&T is treating the iPhone differently?

[winterspan]

Exactly. What is wrong with AT&T??? They offer tethering on their other phones. I'm sure there are many who would like to use this capability over WiFi or the docking cable, but who will NOT pay for a separate laptop expresscard and separate $50/month laptop data plan! If they made it a reasonably priced add-on, say an extra $20 a month add-on on top of the iPhone plan, they would get a lot of users!

God I hate this exclusivity nonsense! If we had a Verizon and Sprint EV-DO iPhone, no doubt the competition would drive down data prices and have them offering things like cheap tethering, etc.

[milatchi]

Apple is great and this is fantastic! I'm glad someone finally stood up to illegal tethering. Way to go Apple!

Steve Jobs = Genius

[mac jones]

I think Apple is going to hunt down this app and zap it.

I have backed up but i'll bet that if I tried to use it that in the middle of some download it would suddenly just disappear, which is alright ...I guess

Of course if the backup suddenly vanishes then i'll be a bit nervous

:eek:

[swrdfghtr]

Ok, so let me get this straight. If you pay for unlimited data transfer through AT&T with an iPhone plan, right? And both Verizon and Sprint permit tethering. So if you pay for unlimited data, why is it not permitted? If a customer want something, be it a good or a service, it is in a company's best interest to provide said good or service to them, even if there is an extra charge for it. All AT&T is doing is just slowing down progress, while continuing on with all of this contract nonsense, IMO.

"Unlimited" in the plan's terms of service refers to data sent to and from, and used on, the device itself. This isn't new with the iPhone; all of AT&T's "PDA' data plans work this way. Tethering plans are available and cost more. AT&T does it to try and preserve some control over the network; the amount of data you'll send and receive from a PDA (iPhone) is in theory less than the bulk you'd do with a PC. PC's have MANY more applications that deal with much larger data.

Same idea as behind the App Store's 10MB limit on apps which can be downloaded via EDGE or 3G; anything larger must be downloaded via WiFi or synced from iTunes.

Think of it this way: Auto registration fees provide unlimited use of the road. However, states recognize that certain types of cars place a greater burden on the system, like semi trucks, and so the fees for those are higher. (I realize it's a simplistic analogy.)

[Zwhaler]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5A347 Safari/525.20)

Then Apple can refund my $9.99.

it says you can continue to use it.

[wizofodd]

Att does offer a tethering plan for the iPhone...
That is why the app was removed.

Where did you see this? I haven't seen anything on at&t's site where they provide this service.

[synth3tik]

pisses me off that I was busy at work when the app appeared, then again when it re-appeared. I don't know that AT&T expects to get out of this. Simply put. If I am not around an access point I will use my phone, whether tethered to my MBP or not, I would never pay to get the service for my computer. So either way (at least with me) AT&T is raking in the same cash.

DOUCHE BAGS!!!!!!!:mad:

[gcmexico]

Att does offer a tethering plan for the iPhone...
That is why the app was removed.
&T
AT&T does not offer tethering for the iphone...for the other phones yes, but not the iphone...unless I'm wrong here, any proof that AT&T offer tethering for iphone?

[markgamber]

Well, the part the really sucks is, if this is true, Apple can pull anything they want from the app store for any reason. Or no reason at all. If I write an app and get it posted tomorrow and a month from some company about to release something similiar doesn't want me eating into their sales, all they need to do is wave a check or a lawyer under Apple's nose and mine goes away. No explanation. I wonder how many "little guys" are going to bother writing for a crippled platform controlled by the fattest checkbook? Personally, I bought an iPhone exactly for the purpose of development. When Apple yanked NetShare "for no reason", I bought a Tilt and shelved the iPhone. If it doesn't return and Apple doesn't even extend the courtesy of an explanation, I'm shelving the development, too. For all the whining and crying Apple jihadists like to do about evil Microsoft, at least I've never had to worry about their preventing something I wrote from reaching the market. Never even crossed my mind. Herr Jobs uber alles!.

[mdriftmeyer]

Apple doesn't make the User Contracts for the Telcos. There is no doubt this got pulled upon request by the Telcos to see what sort of relationships and legal documentation needs to be put in place before, if ever, it is allowed to be redeployed.

It's not that difficult to grasp that such an application would eventually test the boundaries of ISPs and their relationships.

[Quincy9219]

okay.. common sense question here.

So it's not allowed per ATT's terms, so it was dropped from the App store. But if this is allowed on other networks outside of ATT (Rogers, O2, Telstra, Vodafone, etc.) wouldn't it be logical to throw it up on the App stores for those particular countries? and if possible, couldn't you point your copy of iTunes to the App Stores outside the US (I assume there are others, not just the single App Store), or download an int'l version of iTunes, start it up, buy the app there, sync it to your iPhone, and off you go again?

Or am I way off base?

BL.

You are way off base here. Sorry, but when you activated your iTunes, you gave them a credit card account, an American credit card account, I am assuming. That means that your account is locked to the US, when you gave them that credit card, they figured out you are an American, in the US. As you have pointed out, there are other networks that permit tethering (and so does ATT, it just costs more money), and presumably, they might allow this app to go through, however, you can't get to that App Store because Apple's servers identify you as an American. Also, even if you could access and use another country's iTunes App Store, you would still be on ATT's network, and using their bandwidth.

[bigmc6000]

Quick question - I haven't stayed in touch with the iPhone SDK but are you allowed to put an app on your iPhone without paying the $99 to get into the dev program?

i ask because if you can then someone can just disseminate the code to set up something just like Netshare and we'll be able to do it without any restrictions from Apple or AT&T :)

[essinger]

It's not that difficult to grasp that such an application would eventually test the boundaries of ISPs and their relationships.


You know there is already an application to do this built-in to WinMo. Unless you bought a locked phone from your provider, there isn't any way for them to stop you from tethering, no matter what your data plan is.

[PhaserFuzz]

Okay, so I snagged this app before it was pulled out of the store. Am I alright if I use it for simple web browsing here and there? I'm not planning on downloading any large files while using it. What are the chances of me getting an outrageous bill for using it? I'm in a band that's on the road a lot, and this app will definitely come in handy for times when there's no WiFi available.

Thanks for any help.

[manhattanboy]

I just made the iphone update and I lost the netshare app, how can i get it back?
thank you

1st don't connect your phone to the computer.
Then open up your music folder-> iTunes-> apps-> look where Netshare is
Copy it to some other location so you have just in case.
Then redrop the copy onto Itunes and then reconnect and then manually update your iphone and select the Netshare app.

Hope that helps!

Okay, so I snagged this app before it was pulled out of the store. Am I alright if I use it for simple web browsing here and there? I'm not planning on downloading any large files while using it. What are the chances of me getting an outrageous bill for using it? I'm in a band that's on the road a lot, and this app will definitely come in handy for times when there's no WiFi available.

Thanks for any help.

Its a SOCKS 5 proxy meaning all traffic will appear as if you are web browsing on your iPhone (I believe).

I will sell you my iPhone with netshare on it.

$999

I AM RICH!!!! :D:D

Not really... all the jailbroken phones can not only use Netshare, but they can use ANY software they downloaded for F-R-E-E
It turns out some of the best things that enRICH life are free :p

[Stridder44]

This really sucks... What a great app and with "unlimited" data what the heck is the problem. I wish that ATT was not so money hungry and were more concerned about customer service. THIS SUCKS!!! I wasn't one of the lucky ones to get in on this when it was available. Maybe I'll just go the other route and jailbreak my phone and switch back to T-mobile :mad:

Seriously. This is BS. You should be able to use a connection however you please. You're paying for it, after all.

First $20 for unlimited texting, and now this. Ugh.

[bradl]

You are way off base here. Sorry, but when you activated your iTunes, you gave them a credit card account, an American credit card account, I am assuming. That means that your account is locked to the US, when you gave them that credit card, they figured out you are an American, in the US. As you have pointed out, there are other networks that permit tethering (and so does ATT, it just costs more money), and presumably, they might allow this app to go through, however, you can't get to that App Store because Apple's servers identify you as an American. Also, even if you could access and use another country's iTunes App Store, you would still be on ATT's network, and using their bandwidth.

This brings up another question.

Say I go overseas (read: out of the country), and connect my iPhone to someone else's machine that has iTunes installed. That copy of iTunes wouldn't have anything to do with my account, so unless the information is attached to the phone, it shouldn't know (care?) which phone it is, right?

I'm just wondering if Apple has thought of things like this; not just for the sake of NetShare, but what if some apps are available at App stores not local to your home country.

BL.

[jfuehner]

We iPhone users in the US need to band together and start an online petition like our friends to the North did and perhaps we can get AT&T to listen...

Who's with me..!!!

[Quincy9219]

Ummm...you bought an iPhone for a reason people. 90+% of what you want to do from your computer you can do from your phone. You pay for unlimited data for your phone, not your computer. But, my point is why do you want to tether your computer. The things you can't do from your phone would hog too much bandwidth anyway, videos, flash animations, etc. So, in reality, why are you tethering? To be able to say you can? I don't see the practicality in that;)

[ShiggyMiyamoto]

I'm glad I got this app (NetShare). I'm almost always within WiFi range given I barely take my MacBook out anymore, but when I'm not (for example on the train / bus) I'll be able to get online very easily!

I did a speedtest when I had it setup, and here was my result (at that moment anyway):

http://darwinanime.kicks-ass.net/Misc_Images/edge_tether.png

That's pretty good if you ask me. It's gonna be good to use my MacBook on the go, and since I do most of my stuff online this is gonna be awesome.

Should AT&T yell at me for such usage I'll stop using it so much, but until then I'll use it as I have to. ^_^.

Ummm...you bought an iPhone for a reason people. 90+% of what you want to do from your computer you can do from your phone. You pay for unlimited data for your phone, not your computer. But, my point is why do you want to tether your computer. The things you can't do from your phone would hog too much bandwidth anyway, videos, flash animations, etc. So, in reality, why are you tethering? To be able to say you can? I don't see the practicality in that;)

It's practical because not everyone wants to stare at a small screen for everything, and if you have a laptop with you why not view your Internet content on it?

Say you're going somewhere with a friend on a bus/train and they wanna see what you're doing. You could pivot your laptop to them instead of them practically hugging you to see the 3.5" iPhone screen. I mean that's a nice size screen, don't get me wrong.

[SilentLoner]

Right, I got this app before it was yanked and it still works on my iPhone but how do I make a backup in case iTunes balls it up and deletes it in the future? It's such a genius idea I don't wanna lose it.

[ShiggyMiyamoto]

Right, I got this app before it was yanked and it still works on my iPhone but how do I make a backup in case iTunes balls it up and deletes it in the future? It's such a genius idea I don't wanna lose it.

I literally copied the app itself to my external HDD. Try that out.

[SilentLoner]

I literally copied the app itself to my external HDD. Try that out.


How do I do that? Can you pm me instructions as I'm in bed with the mrs on the iPhone typing this LOL so won't be able to check and this is gonna get ally of replies so will take ages to find my post LOL

[neurobound]

pisses me off that I was busy at work when the app appeared, then again when it re-appeared. I don't know that AT&T expects to get out of this. Simply put. If I am not around an access point I will use my phone, whether tethered to my MBP or not, I would never pay to get the service for my computer. So either way (at least with me) AT&T is raking in the same cash.

DOUCHE BAGS!!!!!!!:mad:

It's typical ATT/Pacbell/Cingular/SBC bull. It's why I left them for t-mobile, it's why I didn't get the iphone originally... I can't express how much I dislike ATT - they excel at poor customer relations. If the Iphone wasn't such a great device, there's no chance in hell I'd have signed on with ATT.

The day I can legitimately use the iphone on another network is the day I'll be switching.

What a waste of a company. Then again, I can't say that it makes me think very highly of apple for agreeing to partner with them.

[ShiggyMiyamoto]

How do I do that? Can you pm me instructions as I'm in bed with the mrs on the iPhone typing this LOL so won't be able to check and this is gonna get ally of replies so will take ages to find my post LOL

Haha. Okay well, if you're on Mac OS X open up your Macintosh HD (or whatever you might have renamed it to) and click on the Home folder in the OS X Sidebar. Then navigate to Music ==> iTunes ==> Mobile Applications and you'll find Netshare.ipa. Take that and copy it to another location, like a flash drive or CD to burn.

If you're on XP/Vista, then you're out of luck. Heh. I don't use my phone with XP/Vista.

[runeasgar]

I don't know why everybody is jumping on AT&T for not allowing tethering. They do for every other device they carry. Surely they would be more than happy to sell that feature to iPhone customers too. Remember how Apple bragged about how they were setting the terms in their relationship with AT&T. Apple is the one that doesn't allow the iPhone to have a tethering plan . . . yet. I suspect Apple was already working on a full-fleged tethering app and will offer it as a feature upgrade to the iPhone in the near future.

This is hilarious. You honestly believe Apple is behind the lack of tethering functionality?

Have you even read AT&T's TOS? They don't want to give you ANY bandwidth.. and they charge out the ass for what little they give you. Just like every cellular company, they are a complete rip off.

[SilentLoner]

Haha. Okay well, if you're on Mac OS X open up your Macintosh HD (or whatever you might have renamed it to) and click on the Home folder in the OS X Sidebar. Then navigate to Music ==> iTunes ==> Mobile Applications and you'll find Netshare.ipa. Take that and copy it to another location, like a flash drive or CD to burn.

If you're on XP/Vista, then you're out of luck. Heh. I don't use my phone with XP/Vista.

cheers! I'm a mac boy through and through! :p

[gcmexico]

Right, I got this app before it was yanked and it still works on my iPhone but how do I make a backup in case iTunes balls it up and deletes it in the future? It's such a genius idea I don't wanna lose it.
*
look for the file in your itunes library folder...it's in the Mobile Applications folder I think, then just copy the file and move to a separate windows computer, you just can't trust Apple anymore!!!:cool:

[Syrus28]

This is hilarious. You honestly believe Apple is behind the lack of tethering functionality?

Have you even read AT&T's TOS? They don't want to give you ANY bandwidth.. and they charge out the ass for what little they give you. Just like every cellular company, they are a complete rip off.
Actually, AT&T provides tethering plans for most of their smartphones.

[Abraxsis]

If "tethering" is against the ToS, but unlimited transfer TO the phone is fine, as is unlimited transfer to/from your computer. So it seems to me that all you need to do is create a buffer program in the device itself, so not a "proxy" in technical terms. That uses a portion of the device memory to cache pages/data locally (on the phone) and the pipes them over to the phone via a secondary program. Kind of like a money launderer, takes in dirty money, and channels through other pipelines to get clean money from the other side, only the process needed is bidirectional. So really, the iPhone needs a "push" internet program that resides only in the phone, the phone acting as an intermediary, and only passes the data to the computer after "washing" it (and vice versa).

I base this on the idea that "tethering" would be defined as the phone passing computer data packets onto the internet. If the packets never show anything other than iPhone data markers, there would be no way for ATT to determine that the packets are being "washed" and converted.

Perhaps, this is the better method, simply add in the function of rewriting the packet "fingerprint" to match that of the iPhone through the proxy program.

[ParishM]

it's not a big deal, simply buy a cheap phone with 3G like a samsung sync or LG CU515 and use that when you need to tether. just swap the sim back and forth.

the pawnshops are full of cheap 3G phones for less than $40

[Quincy9219]

If "tethering" is against the ToS, but unlimited transfer TO the phone is fine, as is unlimited transfer to/from your computer. So it seems to me that all you need to do is create a buffer program in the device itself, so not a "proxy" in technical terms. That uses a portion of the device memory to cache pages/data locally (on the phone) and the pipes them over to the phone via a secondary program. Kind of like a money launderer, takes in dirty money, and channels through other pipelines to get clean money from the other side, only the process needed is bidirectional. So really, the iPhone needs a "push" internet program that resides only in the phone, the phone acting as an intermediary, and only passes the data to the computer after "washing" it (and vice versa).

I base this on the idea that "tethering" would be defined as the phone passing computer data packets onto the internet. If the packets never show anything other than iPhone data markers, there would be no way for ATT to determine that the packets are being "washed" and converted.

Perhaps, this is the better method, simply add in the function of rewriting the packet "fingerprint" to match that of the iPhone through the proxy program.

As interesting an idea as this is, whether or not the packets come from the iPhone or the computer itself, it does not address the problem of excessive usage. Though you may have signed up for an unlimited data plan, in reality, you signed up for an "unlimited within reason plan." That means, that sure, you could browse from your computer within reason, but in reality, large downloads, video and flash is still most likely to attract attention.

[FSUSem1noles]

Wow, that is very disappointing news..

Fortunately I was able to pick this up the 2nd time it got posted on the App store.

I've used it a handful of times, nothing major just browsed a few webpages. I really haven't had a use for it just yet. If I ever should need it, it's comforting to know I have the option to use it..

[DN7335]

Haha. Okay well, if you're on Mac OS X open up your Macintosh HD (or whatever you might have renamed it to) and click on the Home folder in the OS X Sidebar. Then navigate to Music ==> iTunes ==> Mobile Applications and you'll find Netshare.ipa. Take that and copy it to another location, like a flash drive or CD to burn.

If you're on XP/Vista, then you're out of luck. Heh. I don't use my phone with XP/Vista.

Actually it works exactly the same way on Windows...

[DN7335]

This kind of crap is the exact reason why people jailbreak. When companies get heavy handed and try to control what one can or can't do with their own device, the hackers will always follow and provide the people what they want/need. There are many people, including myself, who will gladly pay for these types of apps so we can use our phone the way we see fit. But rather than that, we are forced into the underground by the company's own policies.

[Quincy9219]

This kind of crap is the exact reason why people jailbreak. When companies get heavy handed and try to control what one can or can't do with their own device, the hackers will always follow and provide the people what they want/need. There are many people, including myself, who will gladly pay for these types of apps so we can use our phone the way we see fit. But rather than that, we are forced into the underground by the company's own policies.

I was reading another thread weeks ago and it raised an issue similar to this. All you own is the physical device. The silicon, plastic, gold, steel, aluminum, etc. that makes up the iPhone. That is what you own. You do not own the operating software, the app, the rights to bandwidth, the network the phone functions on. That is the property of Apple, the developer, and ATT or the respective network provider. When you signed a contract with them, you agreed to be bound by the network provider. If you do not like that, you can sever your contract, and leave ATT or the authorized provider where you live.

[inkhead]

What about the fact that I purchased it and it got removed from my phone???????????????

[Quincy9219]

What about the fact that I purchased it and it got removed from my phone???????????????

Apple's prerogative. They have any and all right to do things to applications in the app store. If that removes it from your phone, tough cookies. You shouldn't have attempted to violate your contract with your service provider.

[aimfire]

A few of you are gonna get a high bill.
:rolleyes: here we go with that again...

[Lumpydog]

First - I think MacRumors is fantastic in its coverage of the availability of this application. Without it, I would have missed the second opportunity to purchase Netshare.

Second - My flight was delayed today. I used the tutorial that someone posted here on Macrumors on how to get this app setup (I had saved it to a word doc on my laptop). I spent 2 hours stranded in the airport with 3G wireless access to the internet. It was fantastic.

It's a joke that AT&T is too greedy to let this application (or an official one from Apple) be distributed.

[D-Love]

Originally I was not going to jail-break my iPhone. I was going to be satisfied with the App store and keep everything normal.

This disappointing, greedy move by AT&T to force Apple to do this is causing me to re-think that.

I'm so sick of the consumer getting screwed over by cell companies.

[twoodcc]

well, that's just too bad. i think this would have sold well

[abhimat.gautam]

Judging from this list (http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/solutions/wireless-laptop/laptop-connect-devices.jsp#handsets), AT&T doesn't even support tethering for the iPhone. NetShare is not competing with any of their products, so at least NetShare could provide a solution while another doesn't exist yet.

[iEdd]

Could this be because Apple are working on their own better tethering app? Has anyone considered that the app was pulled because it makes the iPhone hot, and possibly overheat and Apple do not want to deal with warranty repairs?

Tethering is legal. Don't AT&T offer a tethering plan for ALL smartphones? Is it too much to ask to be able to tether with a phone that has a tethering plan?

IF it really is the murky area of tethering and terms of service legality, then we can expect Netshare to be back in many countries. It only needs to be in one country, then everyone can easily make an international account (google it), then download the magical ability to do what almost all not-iPhones can. I'm pretty sure Optus don't care if I tether to plow through my 700MB as quickly as possible.

As I said though, if USA was one of the only countries where tethering was an issue, then Netshare would not have been pulled from everywhere. I'm sure Apple would love there massive 30% profit from every sale. Of course, I could be wrong and the only reason it is pulled from all stores is that Apple want to check one country at a time to make sure it complies with terms of service.

[mac jones]

so essentially, Netshare is blacklisted.

So what does that mean?

The way I see it, Apple is in charge of what apps are used and you can't use third party apps.

So now Netshare is a third party app so the next time it syncs it shouldn't work when you try to reinstall it right?

Other wise it would be fairly easy to circumvent the whole "Apple is protecting users with the App Store because there are some bad apps" thing

What am I missing here?

[Hands Sandon]

Could this be because Apple are working on their own better tethering app? Has anyone considered that the app was pulled because it makes the iPhone hot, and possibly overheat and Apple do not want to deal with warranty repairs?

Tethering is legal. Don't AT&T offer a tethering plan for ALL smartphones? Is it too much to ask to be able to tether with a phone that has a tethering plan?

IF it really is the murky area of tethering and terms of service legality, then we can expect Netshare to be back in many countries. It only needs to be in one country, then everyone can easily make an international account (google it), then download the magical ability to do what almost all not-iPhones can. I'm pretty sure Optus don't care if I tether to plow through my 700MB as quickly as possible.

As I said though, if USA was one of the only countries where tethering was an issue, then Netshare would not have been pulled from everywhere. I'm sure Apple would love there massive 30% profit from every sale. Of course, I could be wrong and the only reason it is pulled from all stores is that Apple want to check one country at a time to make sure it complies with terms of service.

My Mogul 6800 running WMWiFiRouter got hotter than the iphone(my iphone even with the screen brightness nearly all the way up doesn't get that hot and certainly doesn't malfunction) and battery life was no better on the Mogul,actually probably about a third less surfing time.But, even when the iphone is plugged into the wall the battery eventually runs out completely,I think we're due for an update.And you dead on about Apple preparing future tethering apps in my view,but they'll still need companies like NetShare.

[iEdd]

Okay fair enough. I haven't been lucky enough to use it, so I can't comment on the heat, just throwing it up there. Also, another possibility is that Apple's solution is coming very soon, and they don't want the bitching of "I just paid for something worse!" - of course this is me being very optimistic. :o

[aristotle]

I don't give a rat's ass about AT&T. I am a Fido customer in Canada and an Apple iTMS customer. I purchased Netshare in good faith and I want to see it back with any pending patches in the Canadian iTMS store. It is none of AT&T's business what happens in other markets.

I am paying 30 bucks per month for 6GB data and this is not in violation of the terms and conditions of Fido in Canada.

[Idle]

Apple's prerogative. They have any and all right to do things to applications in the app store. If that removes it from your phone, tough cookies. You shouldn't have attempted to violate your contract with your service provider.
If Apple puts the application up there and takes customers' money, it certainly is not their prerogative to take it back without refund. How does that seem even remotely okay for a company to do? It's one thing if we're talking about a jailbroken-only app, but this was Apple-sanctioned. I'm sure that most of those who purchased NetShare did so because they trusted Apple, not because they were attempting to violate their contract.

It hasn't disappeared from my phone, though. If it's happening to some but not others, that's a little strange.

[Quincy9219]

Maybe I'm missing the point here, but why does Apple or ATT need to allow tethering? In my mind there is one, and one use to tethering. To browse the internet on a full fledged browser and not have to use a crappy, half-baked mobile browser. With the iPhone, you have a full browser at your finger tips. I've used others, and obviously, I use a computer, but by far, MobileSafari is the best browser I have ever seen on a phone. If you want to use a cellular data network on your computer, why bother buying a 200 dollar phone? Just buy one of those attachable network cards all the major players have and pay for their plans.

[Hands Sandon]

Okay fair enough. I haven't been lucky enough to use it, so I can't comment on the heat, just throwing it up there. Also, another possibility is that Apple's solution is coming very soon, and they don't want the bitching of "I just paid for something worse!" - of course this is me being very optimistic. :o
Pple might put something out soon in certain places where they gaurantee extra money for att-a watered down version ie you pay your carrier!

[Idle]

Maybe I'm missing the point here, but why does Apple or ATT need to allow tethering? In my mind there is one, and one use to tethering. To browse the internet on a full fledged browser and not have to use a crappy, half-baked mobile browser. With the iPhone, you have a full browser at your finger tips. I've used others, and obviously, I use a computer, but by far, MobileSafari is the best browser I have ever seen on a phone. If you want to use a cellular data network on your computer, why bother buying a 200 dollar phone? Just buy one of those attachable network cards all the major players have and pay for their plans.
Transferring files, browsing web sites that require flash, etc., writing long e-mails, accessing private networks that require desktop software, video conferencing, online document collaboration. Stuff like that, I'd imagine.

[Hands Sandon]

Maybe I'm missing the point here, but why does Apple or ATT need to allow tethering? In my mind there is one, and one use to tethering. To browse the internet on a full fledged browser and not have to use a crappy, half-baked mobile browser. With the iPhone, you have a full browser at your finger tips. I've used others, and obviously, I use a computer, but by far, MobileSafari is the best browser I have ever seen on a phone. If you want to use a cellular data network on your computer, why bother buying a 200 dollar phone? Just buy one of those attachable network cards all the major players have and pay for their plans.
You can use your phone to tether to multiple computers rather than a card that will fit some devices and not others,plus netshare was only $10 to buy and may be free to use and no extra two year contract plus you'll almost always have it on you so you can hook up to a friends laptop unexpectedly withought carrying anything extra around.

[pomus]

Ummm...you bought an iPhone for a reason people. 90+% of what you want to do from your computer you can do from your phone. You pay for unlimited data for your phone, not your computer. But, my point is why do you want to tether your computer. The things you can't do from your phone would hog too much bandwidth anyway, videos, flash animations, etc. So, in reality, why are you tethering? To be able to say you can? I don't see the practicality in that;)


I actually enjoy using it for a better browser experience. Don't get me wrong, I love mobile safari app, but I also enjoy my 21" real estate display. Also, I love using pandora.com through my computer because I love to listen to music on my big speakers. And last but not least, (for those of who enjoy flash sites) I could actually access them too. :)

These are just a few things I enjoy doing while I tether, and that's just on my 1st gen iPhone too. :D

[Quincy9219]

Transferring files, browsing web sites that require flash, etc., writing long e-mails, accessing private networks that require desktop software, video conferencing, online document collaboration. Stuff like that, I'd imagine.

All right I am going to take these in order...

1. Flash, it hogs bandwidth like crazy and is used for videos and animations, not necessary stuff. Youtube is already on the phone

2. Writing long emails, I can type on my phone as quickly as I can on a computer. Practice more and that becomes no problem

3. Private Networks, umm...no experience with that, though check the app store, VPN clients are popping up here and there

4. Document collaboration, hmph...I have no fix for this either as Google Docs allows reading, but not editing

5. Video Conferencing, well, since you are holding a phone in your hand, you could, I don't know, actually use the phone. I find that video conferencing is overrated and is another bandwidth hog

Keep in mind that unlimited data does not mean as much data as I damn well please, it means unlimited within reason. If user A is using a few hundred MB of data or a GB or so and user B is using a hundred GB, ATT will see that as excessive and shut that user down, as is their right, as stated in you contract.

[Hands Sandon]

All right I am going to take these in order...

1. Flash, it hogs bandwidth like crazy and is used for videos and animations, not necessary stuff. Youtube is already on the phone

2. Writing long emails, I can type on my phone as quickly as I can on a computer. Practice more and that becomes no problem

3. Private Networks, umm...no experience with that, though check the app store, VPN clients are popping up here and there

4. Document collaboration, hmph... have no fix for this either as Google Docs allows reading, but not editing

5. Video Conferencing, well, since you are holding a phone in your hand, you could, I don't know, actually use the phone. I find that video conferencing is overrated and is another bandwidth hog

Keep in mind that unlimited data does not mean as much data as I damn well please, it means unlimited within reason. If user A is using a few hundred MB of data or a GB or so and user B is using a hundred GB, ATT will see that as excessive and shut that user down, as is their right, as stated in you contract.SkyFire on the iPhone,Yes please.

[Quincy9219]

SkyFire on the iPhone,Yes please.

Nah, I for one am sticking to MobileSafari

[DN7335]

I was reading another thread weeks ago and it raised an issue similar to this. All you own is the physical device. The silicon, plastic, gold, steel, aluminum, etc. that makes up the iPhone. That is what you own. You do not own the operating software, the app, the rights to bandwidth, the network the phone functions on. That is the property of Apple, the developer, and ATT or the respective network provider. When you signed a contract with them, you agreed to be bound by the network provider. If you do not like that, you can sever your contract, and leave ATT or the authorized provider where you live.

Or I can jailbreak and install whatever software I damn well please, including Netshare....

[Hands Sandon]

Nah, I for one am sticking to MobileSafari

I am too but SkyFire sure is useful when your bored!If only Apple would let SkyFire into the app store adapted(and hence improved upon)for the iPhone,that would be a blast.

[sam-i-am]

Bless your little hearts...

I'm a fan of the iPhone and all, but I've had this app on my last 3 phones and have it on my current one. I download gigs per month and have never heard a peep from AT&T's billing department...

I hope it stays out of the app store so AT&T doesn't get wise...

[iPhelim]

okay.. common sense question here.

So it's not allowed per ATT's terms, so it was dropped from the App store. But if this is allowed on other networks outside of ATT (Rogers, O2, Telstra, Vodafone, etc.) wouldn't it be logical to throw it up on the App stores for those particular countries? and if possible, couldn't you point your copy of iTunes to the App Stores outside the US (I assume there are others, not just the single App Store), or download an int'l version of iTunes, start it up, buy the app there, sync it to your iPhone, and off you go again?

Or am I way off base?

BL.

Yes, you're way off base. And what the hell is an international version of iTunes!? They're all the same app. You could only purchase from the App Store of a different country if you had a billing address etc. there. However... i did download an App off the iTunes US Store (since i magically have an account there, despite not living there) and it refused to transfer to iPhone. I guess Apps from one countries store will only go to iPhones of the same country.

Also, O2 don't approve of iPhone customers using their phones as modems (mainly because they want to sell them their own mobile broadband package), it's not just AT&T (how many times have i had to say that :p )

[Hands Sandon]

Yes, you're way off base. And what the hell is an international version of iTunes!? They're all the same app. You could only purchase from the App Store of a different country if you had a billing address etc. there. However... i did download an App off the iTunes US Store (since i magically have an account there, despite not living there) and it refused to transfer to iPhone. I guess Apps from one countries store will only go to iPhones of the same country.

Also, O2 don't approve of iPhone customers using their phones as modems (mainly because they want to sell them their own mobile broadband package), it's not just AT&T (how many times have i said that :p )

Unfortunately,more than once.

[Cherimoya]

Yes, you're way off base. And what the hell is an international version of iTunes!? They're all the same app. You could only purchase from the App Store of a different country if you had a billing address etc. there. However... i did download an App off the iTunes US Store (since i magically have an account there, despite not living there) and it refused to transfer to iPhone. I guess Apps from one countries store will only go to iPhones of the same country.

Also, O2 don't approve of iPhone customers using their phones as modems (mainly because they want to sell them their own mobile broadband package), it's not just AT&T (how many times have i said that :p )

I'm using apps from the US app store (including NetShare) on my UK phone with no problems at all. In fact, I've got a mix of apps from both stores.

[iPhelim]

I'm using apps from the US app store (including NetShare) on my UK phone with no problems at all. In fact, I've got a mix of apps from both stores.

That's interesting, i'll try it again. Thanks for the tip.

[Hands Sandon]

I'm using apps from the US app store (including NetShare) on my UK phone with no problems at all. In fact, I've got a mix of apps from both stores.

How did you do that?

[sjo]

Maybe I'm missing the point here, but why does Apple or ATT need to allow tethering? In my mind there is one, and one use to tethering. To browse the internet on a full fledged browser and not have to use a crappy, half-baked mobile browser. With the iPhone, you have a full browser at your finger tips. I've used others, and obviously, I use a computer, but by far, MobileSafari is the best browser I have ever seen on a phone. If you want to use a cellular data network on your computer, why bother buying a 200 dollar phone? Just buy one of those attachable network cards all the major players have and pay for their plans.

that doesn't make any sense. ok, i don't live in the us, but in the northern europe it's increasingly common to 1. only have mobile/cell data connection and 2. not have multiple devices and plans, just one. what you suggest just doesn't make any sense (at least outside the us).

further, it's not $200 phone, it's $200 phone + $70/month contract phone. for that price you should be getting all the data usage you need, not to mention all the calls + texts + mms + video calls you need. in fact, with plan at that price point you should get the phone for free!

apple really needs to take att's foot out of their mouth. what a complete crap all the talk was about apple making iphone on apple's terms, not att's.

[GentleGim]

Ummm...you bought an iPhone for a reason people. 90+% of what you want to do from your computer you can do from your phone. You pay for unlimited data for your phone, not your computer. But, my point is why do you want to tether your computer. The things you can't do from your phone would hog too much bandwidth anyway, videos, flash animations, etc. So, in reality, why are you tethering? To be able to say you can? I don't see the practicality in that;)

I don't own an iPhone. I was all set to get one until I realized that you can't email attachments. You can't even transfer files to the phone in order to attach them. The only work around I have heard would be to turn a PDF into a photo which gets resized to 640x480. Small text would become unreadable. I don't need much from my smartphone. But a few times a day I need to email a pdf generated on my MBP to the home office. This doesn't strike me as an exotic or data hogging activity. I believe Netshare would allow me to use the regular AOL or Google web mail sites which allow attaching. The iPhone routes you to special sites which prohibit this normal function.

Can anyone confirm that Netshare allows the creation of attachments?

[madonnasmanone]

Att does offer a tethering plan for the iPhone...
That is why the app was removed.

I don't believe AT&T offers a tethering plan for iPhone. I don't know where you got that idea.

[Hands Sandon]

NetShare was an iPhone application that appeared briefly in the iTunes App Store before its removal. The application allowed users to share their iPhone's cellular internet . I am glad to utilize this.

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Yeah and it must have been removed because of technical problems of some sort so updates and a re-appearance of the app can't be that far off.I've already got it too but there are plenty of people who don't buy in to this "you can't have it" nonsense.

[Hands Sandon]

This will be the last reply I post for a few days but it's to anyone reading this from Apple.Now the iPhone is 3G, people want to tether with their phones whilst it's still (mostly) cheaper than a seperate two year contract at around $60 a month for a card etc.With high gas prices etc Apple should step up to the plate and design their own tethering app,allow billable tethering apps and take on some responsibility to their customers who could do with a reasonable tethering plan through their phones which has long been a way of saving a few hard earned dollars.

[JonasLondon]

Guys, think about it.

It is in Apple's best interest to have a load of happy iPhone users. To them, it can't possibly matter if you download stuff on your iPhone, or hooked up to your MacBook and use your iPhone to check your emails in Apple Mail etc.

For ATT, O2 etc. it should not matter either.

Unlimited - under common sense and how I believe the operators want to define "unlimited", is "unlimited normal use" - i.e. surf the web in a normal way, send and receive normal amounts of emails (thousands a month is certainly fine!), but if hundreds of thousands of users in the same day want to stream Harry Potter in HD, no network will handle this. And it would not be worth building the infrastructure for this and then still just charge 35-45 USD/GBP for the service. If it was that easy, some people would have raised a few hundred millions and started a testing network in a major city. I guess apart from some geeks and video freaks, there is no "real" - across the customer base - demand" for high-intensity video streaming. I for one want to watch this at home on a beamer with our Apple TV, not on my iPhone.

Ok, so what if it was pulled for the reason that Apple needs to have a chat with the operators about this, explain to them that the users want tethering, because

a) they are used to have this functionality on other 3G phones and therefore the iPhone should not lack this feature
b) that mobile internet use is up some hundred percent DUE to the iPhone is actually a GOOD thing for operators - they can make money by this, after all, traffic is the key ingredient to online money making etc. etc.
c) a sensible agreement between operators and power-users needs to be found, perhaps "unlimited use" needs to be defined in a common sense framework (and for god's sake geeks - this makes business sense - if I host a Game- or Video-Streaming Server on an island powered by four iPhones tethering - this doesn't make sense and does not fall under "normal unlimited use" does it?).

SO - maybe, tethering will soon be possible through an Apple app - free of charge to all, those who bought netshare may get a iTunes Music Store credit for $5 or $9.95 or whatever it cost, or maybe not, but the main point here is that Apple has the power to negotiate a solution with O2, ATT and other operators to allow their "common sense" user base to use tethering as much as they like, but will be blocked to a slower speed once they hit... let's say... 20 GB a month or whatever. Just like it is handled on other mobile broadband "unlimited use".

J.

[MacRumorUser]

Well I'd rather have my $10 back. Don't even own the iPhone.

If you want your money back and you don't even own an iphone why buy it in the first place ?

You get no sympathy here... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[andreab35]

Whew! Thank goodness I purchased mine in time! I had a feeling it would dissapear again, so I bought it.

I mean, I find it pretty pointless to remove it. It is a useful tool. I haven't configured mine yet, but I won't be using it like a hog.

Overall, it is a good travel companion. But if Apple or something disallows it from my iPhone, etc... I want my money back.

[ramico86]

Whew! Thank goodness I purchased mine in time! I had a feeling it would dissapear again, so I bought it.

I mean, I find it pretty pointless to remove it. It is a useful tool. I haven't configured mine yet, but I won't be using it like a hog.

Overall, it is a good travel companion. But if Apple or something disallows it from my iPhone, etc... I want my money back.

I just made the iphone update and I lost the netshare app, how can i get it back?
thank you

[PinkyMacGodess]

Steve Jobs can't be happy with the way that AT&T has acted since the 3g has been released. I for one would love to get one but can't because AT&T apparently hasn't milked me for enough money to make it worth 'allowing me to upgrade'. I'd have to pay the big dollar price for the phone and I won't do it... Sorry Steve but it looks like you've created a monster...

One also has to wonder, on a paranoid bent, what the possibilities of AT&T surreptitiously tracking GPS equipped phone users are when you consider their capitulation to the NSA and the Bushist junta's illegal spying campaign and giving complete and total access to ALL of their customers communications to the most secretive administration in the history of American democracy.

[GeekLawyer]

it's not a big deal, simply buy a cheap phone with 3G like a samsung sync or LG CU515 and use that when you need to tether. just swap the sim back and forth.

the pawnshops are full of cheap 3G phones for less than $40

That's what I do. Sure, it's a PITA to carry around a second phone and a paperclip in my bag, but it works in a pinch. :cool:

Even an older phone -- like the Samsung A707 fits this need well. And the upside is that I have a cheapo spare phone for the weekends when I'm out doing something I wouldn't want my iPhone exposed to.

[Bubba Satori]

One also has to wonder, on a paranoid bent, what the possibilities of AT&T surreptitiously tracking GPS equipped phone users are when you consider their capitulation to the NSA and the Bushist junta's illegal spying campaign and giving complete and total access to ALL of their customers communications to the most secretive administration in the history of American democracy.

How's that new tinfoil hat working for you ? :D Yes the "Bushist Junta", whatever the heck that crackpot tripe is, is nearly is as secretive as Apple now.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3080/2583846285_b46410ed94.jpg

[PinkyMacGodess]

Scary... :D

[ramico86]

I just made the iphone update and I lost the netshare app, how can i get it back? I downloaded the app from the iphone, so i don't have the app in my Computer.
thank you

[.:R2theT]

Steve Jobs can't be happy with the way that AT&T has acted since the 3g has been released. I for one would love to get one but can't because AT&T apparently hasn't milked me for enough money to make it worth 'allowing me to upgrade'. I'd have to pay the big dollar price for the phone and I won't do it... Sorry Steve but it looks like you've created a monster...

One also has to wonder, on a paranoid bent, what the possibilities of AT&T surreptitiously tracking GPS equipped phone users are when you consider their capitulation to the NSA and the Bushist junta's illegal spying campaign and giving complete and total access to ALL of their customers communications to the most secretive administration in the history of American democracy.

What monster are you talking about? ATT is doing what any other responsible business would do. They have a relationship to an exclusive product and now they are monetizing that relationship. This is no different than what Apple does on every one of its products every day. For what you get (hardware-wise) Apple products are over priced. The overall package is worth it to many people that is why they buy. If the overall iPhone package is not worth it then don't buy it. It's just that simple.

As far as the NSA stuff is concerned...I don't see how anyone in this day and age can really think that they can have any true privacy when using any modern wireless communication device. You should expect that you could be or are being tracked at any time. If that isn't cool with you you should not be using these devices.

And yes I would have to say it is not beyond comprehension that due to this business relationship ATT may have access to what you purchase on the App. Store. I could see ATT keeping track of the folks that purchased NetShare. Maybe that isn't "right" but it isn't "right" to use NetShare if it violates your contract with ATT, which it does.

I personally don't think this is anything to do with bandwidth. They just want to charge for it. And they are not going to let some application out there that facilitates the over use of their services.

Heck, who knows this might be due to Apple not wanting the app. out there. Maybe Apple didn't design the iPhone with tethering in mind. People have said their iPhones get really hot after a bit of use with NetShare. Maybe Apple doesn't like the idea of selling an application that cooks the insides of iPhones and leads to a ton of warranty issues.

Personally, I think it is a fine app. but it really isn't that big of a deal. Most of the people that I really see bitching are just pissed because they wanted something for nothing.

[essinger]

This is hilarious. You honestly believe Apple is behind the lack of tethering functionality?

Have you even read AT&T's TOS? They don't want to give you ANY bandwidth.. and they charge out the ass for what little they give you. Just like every cellular company, they are a complete rip off.


Yes I have read the AT&T TOS and Yeah I do believe Apple is behind the lack of tethering. It is because Apple hasn't written the application for it yet. Once Apple does AT&T will be more than happy to charge the extra $30 bucks a month for tethering the way they do for every other smartphone they sell. Why would AT&T not want to sell tethering for the iPhone? Does that make any sense at all?

[koobcamuk]

Keep in mind that unlimited data does not mean as much data as I damn well please, it means unlimited within reason. If user A is using a few hundred MB of data or a GB or so and user B is using a hundred GB, ATT will see that as excessive and shut that user down, as is their right, as stated in you contract.

Unlimited data means unlimited. No limits.

Unlimited data* usually means that * points to a "fair usage policy". They shouldn't say unlimited. They should say what "within reason" actually is.

[kobefan234]

this sucks big time at&T should make their own tethering app for free!!!!

:apple:

[dizzy13]

Ummm...you bought an iPhone for a reason people. 90+% of what you want to do from your computer you can do from your phone. You pay for unlimited data for your phone, not your computer. But, my point is why do you want to tether your computer. The things you can't do from your phone would hog too much bandwidth anyway, videos, flash animations, etc. So, in reality, why are you tethering? To be able to say you can? I don't see the practicality in that;)One example is using SSH to connect to a remote linux server. That doesn't use much BW and could come in handy if you are on the road and need to check something out.

[icazzi]

If they have a problem with tethering MY phone to MY computer, they should charge by the kb rather than manipulating what I am able to do with something that I am buying. I am purchasing a service from AT&T, namely unlimited data and 450 minutes of talking. What I do with my unlimited data and 450 minutes is up to me! If AT&T doesn't like that, then don't offer unlimited data! What they are doing is illegal. At the VERY least, it's false advertising.

By the way, AT&T is shooting themselves in the foot. As soon as Verizon opens up the 700 MHz spectrum and you can get a compatible iphone... it's game over.

[clammyshell01]

okay.. common sense question here.

So it's not allowed per ATT's terms, so it was dropped from the App store. But if this is allowed on other networks outside of ATT (Rogers, O2, Telstra, Vodafone, etc.) wouldn't it be logical to throw it up on the App stores for those particular countries? and if possible, couldn't you point your copy of iTunes to the App Stores outside the US (I assume there are others, not just the single App Store), or download an int'l version of iTunes, start it up, buy the app there, sync it to your iPhone, and off you go again?

Or am I way off base?

BL.

Have you ever tried to buy something in the store in a country that is not yours? I got a coca-cola deal when I was studying in Oxford. The catch was that it was only valid in the UK music store for a couple songs. I thought no problem; I'll just enter the code in my itunes from the UK store then go shop there. Well my credit card was registered back in the states so that was a no go. You get some message like: "You cannot shop here b/c you are registered in the US." ...And then forget about going to the US store and entering the Brit. code.

Long story short. As far as my experience, Apple had thought of that, and it is well set up so you can't jump countries.

[jasonfj]

Long story short. As far as my experience, Apple had thought of that, and it is well set up so you can't jump countries.

That's correct, accounts are based on where you're credit/debit card is registered. It's the only way to control the different licensing deals for music TV between countries.

I have bank accounts in both the US and UK and have two iTunes accounts. I can access both regardless which country I'm in. :cool:

[thechidz]

A few of you are gonna get a high bill.

{smiles and nods}:rolleyes:

[thechidz]

I just made the iphone update and I lost the netshare app, how can i get it back? I downloaded the app from the iphone, so i don't have the app in my Computer.
thank you
me thinks you're SOL

[Yuusharo]

I just made the iphone update and I lost the netshare app, how can i get it back? I downloaded the app from the iphone, so i don't have the app in my Computer.
thank you

I'm sorry to say this, but if you did not sync your phone back up to your computer and copy the app over to it, then its gone. iTunes, however, should have automatically backed up and synced your phone before updating it to 2.0.1, so check your Applications library and see if it exists there. You can also click the "Applications" tab when you dock your iPhone and see if NetShare is in the list.

If not, the only way to put NetShare on your phone is to jailbreak it and install it from a third party source, or use the SSH method

[peterbaby]

I agree with most people saying it's not Apple's job to control what's legal in terms of mobile rate plan, since they have only an indirect link to the provider (in theory they should limit themselves to a pure manufacturer to provider relation).

I don't know how is it for you guys in the US, here in Europe (I speak for Germany and France), providers are trying to sell their discrete "UMTS/HSDPA USB modems" with specific rate plans, to try to limit tethering.
Some mobile contracts have tried banning the use, but is seems most business users find it more handy (if not cheaper :)) to have the same device and contract for on-phone/on-computer access. So contracts are slowly being reintroduced that allow this usage.

I will be SCHOCKED if Apple doesn't reintroduce this App at least in France. For a simple and legal reason: we are here allowed (as opposed to Germany or the States for example), to buy an iPhone with regular rate plans - i.e. not an "iPhone plan" - with all the limitations that may include.

I have for example what Orange France calls an "Origami First" rate plan, with unlimited data (except for mails, and reduced bandwidth after 500Mb); but this CLEARLY ALLOWS tethering on a PC, although this is not included in the unlimited data plan (which I am fine with).

Now, will Apple really see into the details and allow me to have this App? I'm afraid they won't, as very often, Apple seems very US-centered in terms of censorship policies :mad:
And anyway, you guys in the US should also have this app. You are intelligent and read your terms of contracts right? You wouldn't use this app if tethering was not allowed? :cool:

[Lanbrown]

This really sucks... What a great app and with "unlimited" data what the heck is the problem. I wish that ATT was not so money hungry and were more concerned about customer service. THIS SUCKS!!! I wasn't one of the lucky ones to get in on this when it was available. Maybe I'll just go the other route and jailbreak my phone and switch back to T-mobile :mad:

Because the TOS does not allow you to tether. AT&T had a plan that supported that and it cost more than the plan that didn't. AT&T no longer offers that plan, but people like me still have it as it is "grandfathered" in. I can tether all I want and not get charged for it. In the plan that didn't offer it, you would be charged per kB of data transfer.

[dizzy13]

That's correct, accounts are based on where you're credit/debit card is registered. It's the only way to control the different licensing deals for music TV between countries.

I have bank accounts in both the US and UK and have two iTunes accounts. I can access both regardless which country I'm in. :cool:

I have a feeling it's different though because you activate you phone to a specific iTunes account. I'm pretty sure you would have to sync an US phone to a US account and a UK phone to a UK account.

So even if you have two account it might still block you from putting stuff from the UK account onto a phone synced to the US account? Have you tried this?

[Quincy9219]

Unlimited data means unlimited. No limits.

Unlimited data* usually means that * points to a "fair usage policy". They shouldn't say unlimited. They should say what "within reason" actually is.

Mobile service providers operate under the assumption that people will not go out and violate their contracts with them for fear of the tremendous fees that go along with it. They assume that when you buy an unlimited data package for your (and here's the operative word folks) *phone* (did you miss it ;) ) they assume you won't use that phone, surreptitiously and in violation of their contract as a modem. Now, as we all see, that is not the case. I agree that they should point out what, "fair usage" is, but that takes away the marketing tool of saying "unlimited." Which sounds better to you? Unlimited data access, or "Unlimited within reason, please read fine print to find out what that amount is."

Second, and I am too lazy to quote "Mr. Bushist Junta" (read, I'm kinda new and I don't know how to do multiple quotes in one post) I have two things to say to you.

1. All mobile phones now are required by law to be locatable to a short distance in the event of an emergency and a call to 911. It's called E911, look it up. During Phase II, implemented in 2001, the FCC mandated by law that all new cellular devices manufactured to be traceable within 100 meters. All cell phones now are traceable, if you don't like it, burn your phone and go out to the middle of the desert and bask in the sun.

2. President Bush is the duly elected President and Commander in Chief of the United States of America. He won fair and square, he did not violate the law in any way. Just because the electoral system that has been in place since the founding of the United States, did not pan out in favor of your candidate, does not mean he has acted illegally.

[MacRumorUser]

Well I've been using NetShare with my O2 iPhone (Ireland) with great success so far.

Checking my account online I can see that all my data usage that I have used has been included in my monthly download plan. No additional charges.

As long as this stay's I'll be happy :D

[thechidz]

2. President Bush is the duly elected President and Commander in Chief of the United States of America. He won fair and square, he did not violate the law in any way. Just because the electoral system that has been in place since the founding of the United States, did not pan out in favor of your candidate, does not mean he has acted illegally.

holy crap... I almost choked on my chocolate milk when I read this. what fantasy world do you live in?

[utsava]

holy crap... I almost choked on my chocolate milk when I read this. what fantasy world do you live in?

Yeah, laugh at him, then maybe people will think there is actually evidence behind your position.

[sellitman]

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You all need a life. People are dying all over the globe and you can't tether yet freeking laptop to your iPhone. Boo hoo

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Well, the part the really sucks is, if this is true, Apple can pull anything they want from the app store for any reason. Or no reason at all.


I pointed out before the app store opened how unfair it is that Apple can dictate in the first place what you can and cannot put on your iPhone in the first place, not to mention that 30% off the top of every sale made by every person or company out there that designs software to run on the iPhone. I pointed out how people would have a FIT if Apple tried to tell them what software they could put on their desktop or laptop Macs, but I got so many replies telling me how it's Apple's iPhone and they're allowed to do whatever they want with it and if I don't like it, I can go buy someone else's phone or manufacture my own phone and then build my own app store for that phone if I don't like it because apparently even though the iPhone is just another Mac in a smaller form, people don't SEE IT that way for some bizarre reason (cuz it's like a phone dude!).

Well, the chickens are coming to home to roost now and in some self-satisfying smug way, I just have to love it. Maybe there's some actual justice in this world after all! Frankly, I hope Apple keeps right on playing the Communistic strong arm tactics and makes a lot of you so mad you actually come to your senses and start to change your views about Apple, consumer rights and maybe even Capitalism in general because despite what some people want to make you believe, it isn't all rosy in the church of money. Having consumer oriented regulations and laws might limit some rich shareholders profits a little bit (imagine if utilities were regulated again like they once were so they could only be sold to you at cost instead of for a profit...maybe your winter heating costs would still be tolerable today), but it sure makes the consumer a lot happier in the long run because the choices should be up to YOU, not the company selling it to you.

[marco114]

For all those that think Verizon is better you are wrong. They charge $45 a month for their "unlimited, but not really plan" and if you want to tether your phone, they charge an additional $14.95 a month on top of that. so for $60 a month, you can do it. Verizon's unlimited data plan actually is only 5GB of data which is far from unlimited. A couple movies or a few downloads could easily reach that limit quickly.

I also have a Verizon air card and pay $59.95 a month for that plus my $45 Treo phone and I have 2 lines. My monthly bill is well over $200 a month. So if you think verizon is better, nope.

[thechidz]

Yeah, laugh at him, then maybe people will think there is actually evidence behind your position.

oh you KNOW there is no evidence? well golly gee I guess Im wrong then. hum dee dum.

but even though I am wrong and the florida voters were not disenfranchised in 2000:eek:, he did suchhhh a great job for 8 years that I should just ****:mad:

[tveric]

Just download Netshare from 1 of about a billion torrent sites that have it, sheesh.

Piece of cake. And free that way. Since they've taken away my ability to have it by paying for it legally, I have no qualms whatsoever about downloading it for no $$$.

[Full of Win]

I'm so dumping ATT once their deal with Apple ends. I'm not asking for something for free, I'd gladly pay for the chance to do what NetShare lets me do.

[Stella]

Its good that Apple aren't imposing AT&Ts will on to the rest of the world but instead adding this app to selected stores.

If you need tethering, then the iPhone isn't for you - or jail break it.

[manu chao]

In my country, the providers have very clear policies, your iPhone plan includes between 250 MB and 1 GB of data per month. Every additional MB costs you 10 cents, but costs are capped at $100 per month + the normal rate of your plan. In other words, unlimited data costs you $100 on top of the normal rate plan.

If they can do it, why not everybody. If you want truly unlimited data and not just unlimited data within your ability to browse the web on the iPhone, just pay for it. No iPhone plan includes unlimited data, it only includes all the data traffic you can generate via browsing on the iPhone (and in some countries like mine, even less).

If the providers can get away with calling this unlimited, than this just shows that this kind of hyperbole is accepted within society (and thus legal).

[iQuit]

Apple sucks.

[Col Ronson]

its still possible if you jailbreak your phone, and its free!

i'd rather NOT do anything illegal
or anything that voids by 2 year warranty i paid extra for

[Gimzotoy]

i'd rather NOT do anything illegal
or anything that voids by 2 year warranty i paid extra for

Well, it would be a stretch to call it illegal, but it will certainly void your warranty.

[laubin]

I had lucked out and got NetShare the second time that it appeared in the iTunes App store.
But then on one of my many connections of my iPhone I got the alarming message:

"The file "iTunes Library.itl does not appear to be a valid iTunes library file. iTunes has attempted to recover your iTunes library and renamed this file to "iTunes Library (Damages) .itl""

I figured it was something with iTunes version 7.7.1 so I went back to vestion 7.7.0. That seemed to work for a short while. I built up my library AGAIN (possibly the sixth time or so) with my 50 plus applications including a $24 app and backed it up to disc and low and behold I'm getting it again! I loose my applications and my ringtones both of which I've spent a LOT of money on. I can restore from disc but then I get this message all over.

1) Does anyone know why this is happening?

2) Does anyone know how to get individual apps out of this or how to repair these libraries so I can my purchased copy of NetShare back?

Thanks to all who respond especially with some sort of solution.

How many other's are experiencing similar problems?

laubin

[Quincy9219]

2) Does anyone know how to get individual apps out of this or how to repair these libraries so I can my purchased copy of NetShare back?



Hmmm...you would have to hope that it's backed up in one of your iPhone backups. If it's not, then I am sorry to say NetShare is most likely gone, you can't get it back without jailbreaking. It's been pulled from the App Store so it isn't available for redownload.

[antel0pe]

This is just another reason I'll be jailbreaking in the near future. I also need a real last.fm app and intelliscreen

[Idle]

All right I am going to take these in order...

1. Flash, it hogs bandwidth like crazy and is used for videos and animations, not necessary stuff. Youtube is already on the phone

2. Writing long emails, I can type on my phone as quickly as I can on a computer. Practice more and that becomes no problem

3. Private Networks, umm...no experience with that, though check the app store, VPN clients are popping up here and there

4. Document collaboration, hmph...I have no fix for this either as Google Docs allows reading, but not editing

5. Video Conferencing, well, since you are holding a phone in your hand, you could, I don't know, actually use the phone. I find that video conferencing is overrated and is another bandwidth hog

Keep in mind that unlimited data does not mean as much data as I damn well please, it means unlimited within reason. If user A is using a few hundred MB of data or a GB or so and user B is using a hundred GB, ATT will see that as excessive and shut that user down, as is their right, as stated in you contract.
Hey, you missed the first one: transferring files. That would be the biggest use in my book. If I have a document on my laptop that needs to get sent out ASAP, I can't use Mobile Safari to do it.

But besides that...
1. Tell that to the sites' designers! I don't care if I don't like Flash...if I need to view a site that uses it heavily, then I need to find something to let me do that.

2. That's silly. I like the touch keyboard and I can type as fast on it as anyone I know, but I'll give $5 to any amazingly dextrous soul who can sustain (or at least reach) 70 wpm on that thing without having to make massive amounts of corrections. And don't get me started on making heavy edits.

3. There are too many corporations out there who are barely motivated to create client software for the Mac, much less the iPhone. This will likely be an issue for quite a while.

4. Yup

5. Again, sometimes these things are out of your control; if you're have to do something, it doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of the medium is.

If nothing else, I'll have to use my Mac for e-mailing documents. Receive an attachment, edit that attachment, e-mail attachment. Can't really deny that this is a basic function that comes up all the time.

[paros]

How can AT&T even tell that you are tethered? I mean short of doing deep-packet inspection and looking at specific traffic how can they tell?

[paros]

How can AT&T even tell that you are tethered? I mean short of doing deep-packet inspection and looking at specific traffic how can they tell?

[thechidz]

How can AT&T even tell that you are tethered? I mean short of doing deep-packet inspection and looking at specific traffic how can they tell?

they cant. some will say if you use to much data like >5 gb they will flag you but there is no way you will use that much from tethering.

[Quincy9219]

How can AT&T even tell that you are tethered? I mean short of doing deep-packet inspection and looking at specific traffic how can they tell?

They look at usage. Someone at Apple or ATT probably did some experiments and found out what 'normal' usage was for a month. If you use a lot of data, a lot more than that threshold number, then that makes them suspicious, and in the contract it says something about them having the right to limit or cut off your data usage at their discretion, as for prior notice, I am unsure about that, but they have to right to cut your access to their network.

[Quincy9219]

they cant. some will say if you use to much data like >5 gb they will flag you but there is no way you will use that much from tethering.

Ummm...it's actually easy to use that much data, especially if you are downloading files. Say for example, you want to download a new movie to watch on your iPhone while on the road, away from a Wifi network. You aren't allowed to download whole movies over the air (anyone have any guesses why:p). Well, you fire up a tethering app, and start the download, if the mobile iTunes store won't let you download a movie, you will circumvent that. According to the iTunes FAQ page maintained on the Apple website, an average 2 hour movie runs about 1.5 GB. You plug the phone into the USB and leave it to download all night and in the morning you have your movie, and 1.5 GB of data moved across the network. Now, that big a file transfer will raise a red flag and cause them to suspect tethering. Do you now see my point? :cool:

[Hands Sandon]

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You all need a life. People are dying all over the globe and you can't tether yet freeking laptop to your iPhone. Boo hoo
Let them die,hey most of them probably don't even know how to spell tethering,let alone afford the data plans,unless they were lucky eneough,like me,to get NetShare.I love it!

[Quincy9219]

Let them die,hey most of them probably don't even know how to spell tethering,let alone afford the data plans,unless they were lucky eneough,like me,to get NetShare.I love it!

It makes me wonder if he realizes how stupid, arrogant, childish, selfish, heartless, and all around pathetic he sounds right now. I rarely go off topic in a forum, but sheesh, this is just crossing lines that shouldn't be crossed.

[Hands Sandon]

It makes me wonder if he realizes how stupid, arrogant, childish, selfish, heartless, and all around pathetic he sounds right now. I rarely go off topic in a forum, but sheesh, this is just crossing lines that shouldn't be crossed.

It takes one to know one!! Just kidding,my post was not intended to be taken seriously,think of it more as a parody of ignorance.All the terrible suffering in the world is abhorant to me also but out of respect for others I don't go around demeaning others for posting on tech sites as the original posting had!

[paros]

They look at usage. Someone at Apple or ATT probably did some experiments and found out what 'normal' usage was for a month. If you use a lot of data, a lot more than that threshold number, then that makes them suspicious, and in the contract it says something about them having the right to limit or cut off your data usage at their discretion, as for prior notice, I am unsure about that, but they have to right to cut your access to their network.

If I listen to AOL radio, watch Youtube, or stream Pandora all day at work I would bet that I'd fall into the "higher" usage group of iPhone users. Maybe not 5GB, but more than your average users.

That said, given that NetShare only allows SOCKS compliant applications (HTTP browsers, Adium, AIM, etc.) the amount of traffic *most* Netshare users will be relatively small or in line with whatever normal iPhone data usage is. Yes you could drag a 1.5GB iTunes movie over your 3G/EDGE connection but your iPhone would be useless while you did this. I don't think that *most* users would choose to perform large file transfers this way.

My first argument is that if you load a web page that is comprised of 2MB of text, graphics, etc. via Firefox on your laptop or Safari on your iPhone, there is no difference to AT&T's network load. 2MB is 2MB if it is Safari or Firefox.

Second, I make the argument that the NetShare application is not tethering. Tethering is placing my laptop's IP stack on AT&T's network and thus using all ports, protocols, and services available to my Mac/PC. Like using an AT&T aircard. NetShare is an iPhone application (that I installed via AT&T's partner Apple) that just so happens to be controlled by my laptop. Given that NetShare is a proxy, I instruct NetShare to fetch web site to the iPhone that are then stored in the iPhone's memory then passed via wifi to my web browser where they are rendered. AT&T sells a "tethering" service and NetShare is different than that.

So IF one day I get the call from AT&T that I've been "using too much unlimited data" I feel compelled to ask:

1. It is unlimited. There is no such thing as "too much". (Yes, the same ol tired Comcast argument).

2. Prove it. Show me evidence that I was doing anything that goes against the AT&T TOS.*

3. Even if they do flag my account, I will fall back on the fact that I was merely using an application that was promoted to me via their bed-buddy Apple via the App Store.

* Yes I realize that they don't have to prove anything. However the above give you a great arguing position if you handle yourself right.

So, given that my personal usage case doesn't involve going anywhere near 5G (even with a full 8 hour day of heavy web surfing, AIM, eMail via Gmail) I don't think my data usage will fall out of line with most iPhone users. So I'll continue to use NetShare when I am in a pinch and not loose any sleep over it.

Note: as soon as someone ports slirp or some other full-IP-stack "tether" this is all moot. The kids will fire up torrents and ruin this for all of us.

[shaunymac]

so who is going to start selling their netshare apps that didnt get deleted to the masses that were not able to buy? :rolleyes:

I know there are alott of people out there who are mad, pist, or just a little annoyed that they waited or did not hit the buy button when they had a chance.

For ex. , I am stuck up on the top floor of our office for most of the day with no outlets or wifi connection. If I were to have an app like this, I would be golden.

[paros]

so who is going to start selling their netshare apps that didnt get deleted to the masses that were not able to buy? :rolleyes:

I know there are alott of people out there who are mad, pist, or just a little annoyed that they waited or did not hit the buy button when they had a chance.

For ex. , I am stuck up on the top floor of our office for most of the day with no outlets or wifi connection. If I were to have an app like this, I would be golden.

Jailbreak + socks3 = profit!

[ptysell]

I skimmed the thread and did not find an answer to my question.

I understand how to back up this application from the iTunes folder IF the application was purchased via iTuenes.

How would one backup the application if it was purchased on the phone?

Thanks.

[Quincy9219]

It takes one to know one!! Just kidding,my post was not intended to be taken seriously,think of it more as a parody of ignorance.All the terrible suffering in the world is abhorant to me also but out of respect for others I don't go around demeaning others for posting on tech sites as the original posting had!

It is a good thing you were kidding, in cyberspace, I (and I'm guessing most people) tend to take everything said at face value, unless there is a statement noting the sarcasm (an emoticon, jk, etc.). That being said, I apologize for jumping on your back and tend to agree with you. This is a tech forum, it should be used for discussing technology, not politics or human rights. I am sure there are forums for that too somewhere

[TEG]

I skimmed the thread and did not find an answer to my question.

I understand how to back up this application from the iTunes folder IF the application was purchased via iTuenes.

How would one backup the application if it was purchased on the phone?

Thanks.

Bring up the applications in iTunes, drag App to desktop, then you have a copy on your desktop.

TEG

[Quincy9219]

I skimmed the thread and did not find an answer to my question.

I understand how to back up this application from the iTunes folder IF the application was purchased via iTuenes.

How would one backup the application if it was purchased on the phone?

Thanks.

For the application to be backed up from the phone, it has to be synced to the computer to be added to a backup of the phone's software and settings. If it isn't in the backup on your computer, it isn't backed up. Purchasing it from the phone and purchasing it through iTunes are the same procedure, just purchasing it on the phone is limited to browsing the App Store

[ptysell]

So when i sync it with the computer it will NOT delete the application from the phone?

It will only delete the application from the phone if i update the software, is this correct?

I would like to be 100% sure of what I am doing before I do it so that I do not lose this software.

Thank You.

[Quincy9219]

Not sure, but you're more likely to lose it if you don't back it up and your phone crashes. It probably won't, but odds are, if you don't back it up, you'd lose it anyway:cool:

[Hands Sandon]

It is a good thing you were kidding, in cyberspace, I (and I'm guessing most people) tend to take everything said at face value, unless there is a statement noting the sarcasm (an emoticon, jk, etc.). That being said, I apologize for jumping on your back and tend to agree with you. This is a tech forum, it should be used for discussing technology, not politics or human rights. I am sure there are forums for that too somewhere

I completely agree with you.

[Shasterball]

Then Apple can refund my $9.99.

Ummm, why? You bought it and you have a copy... If your copy gets corrupted and you can't reinstall and need a new copy, then you have a point.

[slackpacker]

I purchased it the instant it came back up on the store a few weeks ago. For the few times I really needed it it worked like a charm.

Also I have it backed up twice so if it gets deleted from my Phone I will have another copy.... I hope Apple does not force me to Jailbreak my iPhone to do this simple task.

[Rotary8]

bah! i've been hesitant to jailbreak my iphone... now I am left with no other choice but to JB it.

Question for you folks, anyone brave enough to abuse the tethering by downloading over 5 gigs within a month?

I used to do 20 gigs a month on my sprint data card until they imposed a 5gig cap. Had to cancel my contract and threaten them with arbitration if they didn't waive my early termination fee.

[Quincy9219]

Question for you folks, anyone brave enough to abuse the tethering by downloading over 5 gigs within a month?

I used to do 20 gigs a month on my sprint data card until they imposed a 5gig cap. Had to cancel my contract and threaten them with arbitration if they didn't waive my early termination fee.

No one here really knows what the cap is. It could be that 5 GB is the magic number, or it could be 7 or 8 or 9.

[bpl323]

I'd really like ATT to just step up and include tethering.

[Quincy9219]

I'd really like ATT to just step up and include tethering.

Include it, or make you pay for it? They won't just add it for free, that costs them money when they can make people pay for it

[Hands Sandon]

Does anyone think this app will work on the next iPhone too?I'm just wandering because it seems to use features of the phone that other apps don't.

[RRutter]

I have this app, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO DO IT?!?! I've done tutorials on YouTube, Google, and nothing works.. I have a Mac.

I also have a Windows, but that computer is just for last resort.

:apple:

[Quincy9219]

I have this app, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO DO IT?!?! I've done tutorials on YouTube, Google, and nothing works.. I have a Mac.

I also have a Windows, but that computer is just for last resort.

:apple:

Email the developer and ask if they have any ideas, though it sounds like maybe the port is closed off by the computer. Perhaps it's a firewall. I never got this app though, so I can't experiment for you, sorry. Perhaps someone with it could do a better job

[Hands Sandon]

I have this app, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO DO IT?!?! I've done tutorials on YouTube, Google, and nothing works.. I have a Mac.

I also have a Windows, but that computer is just for last resort.

:apple:

You've probably familiarized yourself with the basic entering of "create network"proxies etc.There were when I first started using it issues to making it work,one thing that I found useful is to go to "reset safari" and tick everything except "close all windows" though you may in actuality only have to empty cache.Another thing that I have found is that when I first turn on the computer go through all the steps by creating network it doesn't work then I just quickly invent another network name and it works repeatedly the second time around.Sometimes it wont load a page when I'm browsing and I reset safari and it practically always works after the reset.
Appleinsider gave a very coherent step by step guide that I found helpfull and it will be up in their recent articles section.

I realize you may have some other problem I'm not famaliar with,but good luck once you figure it out it's really easy to get online with.