Mac OS X 10.5.5 Build 9F13 Seeded

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Apple appears to be sending out weekly seeds of the newest version of Mac OS X 10.5.5 to developers. The prior seed was released (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/07/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-10-5-5-9f9/) on August 7th.

This new version (Build 9F13) details 10 more bug fixes and unlike prior builds, Apple lists no known issues.

It's difficult to predict when the next version of Mac OS X will be released to the public, but it should be a free upgrade and include a number of bug fixes.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/14/mac-os-x-10-5-5-build-9f13-seeded/)

[davethecrave]

sounds good, can't wait to get my hands on it. wonder what all these bug fixes are. seems to be fine for me! :)

[Pooshka]

I hope 10.5.5 fixes the bug where iTunes endlessly prompts to re-authorize a computer.

[davethecrave]

I hope they fix the iTunes authorizaion issue

Yeah, I can see that being improved. It's kind of a pain right now...:rolleyes:

[Otaviano]

Hope this makes my freaking Superdrive work again.

[fleshman03]

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It's difficult to predict when the next version of Mac OS X will be released to the public, but it should be a free upgrade and include a number of bug fixes.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/14/mac-os-x-10-5-5-build-9f13-seeded/)


When has a point release ever been a time when Apple charges? I can understand 10.5 -> 10.6, but not 10.5.4 -> 10.5.5.

[acxz]

When has a point release ever been a time when Apple charges? I can understand 10.5 -> 10.6, but not 10.5.4 -> 10.5.5.

Probably just a 'filler' fact to keep the news article structure.

[patricksan]

When has a point release ever been a time when Apple charges? I can understand 10.5 -> 10.6, but not 10.5.4 -> 10.5.5.

I agree with you. I really think that we will not have any charge.

But for the 10.6 I pay with pleasure :-)

[DaveTheGrey]

At the moment I'm quite happy with 10.5.4 I have no bugs at all. But sometimes Leopard seems a little slower than Tiger. Perhaps I'm wrong...

[Kilamite]

I reckon this build (9F13) will be the final release.

Expect 10.5.5 within a week :p

[Apple Ink]

Since when did a "beta" upgrade to an unscheduled OS update transition from page 2 to front page???

[motulist]

When has a point release ever been a time when Apple charges? I can understand 10.5 -> 10.6, but not 10.5.4 -> 10.5.5.

I think it's to stem the tide of newbies who inevitably respond to news of point upgrades with cries of "I just gave Apple $129 4 months ago to buy Leopard and now they're already gonna come out with a new version?! What the h*** Apple! :mad:"

[bogg]

I'm just pleased with the fact that an OS update mightl include Bug fixes.
That's a first! :rolleyes:

[cleanup]

Um, why wouldn't 10.5.5 be a free upgrade?

[Xavier]

This update will be free. I mean, those 10 bug fixes must be REALLY important to justify charging.

Anywho, I hope this fixes my trouble with.. well I can't really think of anything that isn't working the way it should on my computer, but I'll welcome this update with open arms.

[heads up]

i really hope they fix the itunes/front row bug where ripped tv shows in itunes aren't organized properly in front row.

it seems like i've been waiting forever for this fix...

[morespce54]

Hope this will fix the Finder windows flickering issue I have (since 10.5.2, at least). And maybe make ScreenSharing more... reliable!

Um, why wouldn't 10.5.5 be a free upgrade?

Yes, why say "...but it should be a free upgrade..."?
Geez, with this pace, we'll pretty much be at 10.5.8 by December! ;)

[mrtekkid]

Anyone having issues with iTunes asking permission to accept incoming connections through the firewall EVERYTIME you start it?

[Ant1-Hero]

i just wish they would finally have some better graphic fixes, even playing runescape on my macbook pro lags!!!

While on my sony pc it flies :(

[howiethemacguy]

I hope 10.5.5 fixes the bug where iTunes endlessly prompts to re-authorize a computer.


What "bug" is that? I don't have this problem -- never have. Has anyone else seen this?

[Eidorian]

I haven't had any problems with OS X in ages.

[GT500Shlby]

if they are at 10.5.5 now, at this pace they will never make it a year before they run out of numbers. We'll have 10.5.9 Service Pack 6a Second Edition R2 before 10.6 comes out! :D

[commander.data]

With the new OpenGL 3.0 recently released, I wonder if Apple is going to add it to Leopard or just wait for Snow Leopard. From the Kronos Group press release, a significant number of GPUs already have the feature set to support OpenGL 3.0 so it doesn't seem to be a big change. Which I hear is quite controversial in itself, since OpenGL was supposed to be a complete rewrite.

[Eric S.]

I hope this update fixes every problem I have in my life.

[bbtrinet]

if they are at 10.5.5 now, at this pace they will never make it a year before they run out of numbers.

Usually in these cases, software companies version numbers go like this:
10.5.5
10.5.6
10.5.7
10.5.8
10.5.9
10.5.10
10.5.11 ....

Nevermind that it doesn't make sense according to MATH. :)

[Kilamite]

if they are at 10.5.5 now, at this pace they will never make it a year before they run out of numbers. We'll have 10.5.9 Service Pack 6a Second Edition R2 before 10.6 comes out! :D

Not heard of OS X 10.4.11?

This isn't a decimal system you know...it has 2 decimal points.

[danny_w]

I hope this fixes the issues with 10.5.4 that I have been having. My MB frequently gets kernel panics (I don't think I ever saw one before 10.5.4) and programs seems to freeae at random. In general 10.5.4 seems to be the most unstable OS X in quite some time. I am so glad that I never updated my wife's iMac or my iMac at the office (they are both still on 10.5.2 and doing quite well, thank you). And before anybody asks yes, I did use the combo updater, I repaired permissions before and after the update, and unplugged everything except my keyboard/mouse/monitor before the update.

[kaiwai]

This update will be free. I mean, those 10 bug fixes must be REALLY important to justify charging.

Anywho, I hope this fixes my trouble with.. well I can't really think of anything that isn't working the way it should on my computer, but I'll welcome this update with open arms.

Unless you've been living under a bolder - so far there have been (including this build) 114 bugs fixed so far.

[kaiwai]

I hope this fixes the issues with 10.5.4 that I have been having. My MB frequently gets kernel panics (I don't think I ever saw one before 10.5.4) and programs seems to freeae at random. In general 10.5.4 seems to be the most unstable OS X in quite some time. I am so glad that I never updated my wife's iMac or my iMac at the office (they are both still on 10.5.2 and doing quite well, thank you). And before anybody asks yes, I did use the combo updater, I repaired permissions before and after the update, and unplugged everything except my keyboard/mouse/monitor before the update.

Do you have any third party drivers installed? any third party enhancements installed (like hackware etc)?

If you are getting constant kernel panics, I'd suggest you take it back to the store; it sounds like a hardware issue.

[MikhailT]

i just wish they would finally have some better graphic fixes, even playing runescape on my macbook pro lags!!!

While on my sony pc it flies :(

Do you experience any other graphic related issue? Sounds like you have one of the bad graphic cards that's been going around.

[MikhailT]

This update will be free. I mean, those 10 bug fixes must be REALLY important to justify charging.

Anywho, I hope this fixes my trouble with.. well I can't really think of anything that isn't working the way it should on my computer, but I'll welcome this update with open arms.

It isn't just 10 bug fixes, it is 10 bugs fixed from last build. I believe the number of bug fixes are in hundreds from final 10.5.4 to this build.

[danny_w]

Do you have any third party drivers installed? any third party enhancements installed (like hackware etc)?

If you are getting constant kernel panics, I'd suggest you take it back to the store; it sounds like a hardware issue.
They aren't constant, but frequent enough to be annoying. As I said, they started happening with the 10.5.4 update. They seem to occur much more frequently when I am running vpn to my office, but I have the latest vpn driver from Cisco (4.9.01.0100). And no, I don't have any 3rd party drivers or enhancements installed.

[kaiwai]

They aren't constant, but frequent enough to be annoying. As I said, they started happening with the 10.5.4 update. They seem to occur much more frequently when I am running vpn to my office, but I have the latest vpn driver from Cisco (4.9.01.0100). And no, I don't have any 3rd party drivers or enhancements installed.

Sounds like the VPN software, I have a feeling, IIRC, VPN has a kernel module that is loaded - I'd suggest getting in contact with Cisco and reporting it. Its not Apple's fault if Cisco can't do their job properly.

[BlackMax]

This update will be free. I mean, those 10 bug fixes must be REALLY important to justify charging.

Anywho, I hope this fixes my trouble with.. well I can't really think of anything that isn't working the way it should on my computer, but I'll welcome this update with open arms.

Historically OS makers do not charge for bug fixes regardless of the size and scope of the bugs, but rather for new functionality or OS revisions that significantly increase performance or other operational efficiencies.

[danny_w]

Sounds like the VPN software, I have a feeling, IIRC, VPN has a kernel module that is loaded - I'd suggest getting in contact with Cisco and reporting it. Its not Apple's fault if Cisco can't do their job properly.
I found something interesting on the Apple forum saying that the kernel panics got much worse starting with 10.5.3:

You can add me to the list of people getting kernel panics while running the VPN actually connected. Since the 10.5.3 update (including 10.5.4) it's gotten much worse. Starting with 10.5.3, I can usually get a panic within 24 hours of bringing the VPN up and transferring data across it. If it just sits idle, not transferring data, then it doesn't panic. We have a split VPN, so only traffic bound for our corporate network goes over the VPN, not regular internet traffic (which alleviates the problem *slightly*).

I'm getting this one two separate systems. One is a Quad G5 and one is an MBP. I've also been in contact with at least two other people also having this problem. At this point I'm convinced It's definitely the Cisco VPN. And yes for the most part it should be up to Cisco to fix, but there are things Apple can do to help as it's in Apple's best interest to not have it's OS crashing. Apple has a working relationship with Cisco (don't forget apple implemented the Cisco VPN client themselves on the iPhone) and can work with them to fix the problem.

I've filed a bug report on this to Apple (ID#6080441). No response from Apple yet on it.

Would be nice to track here how many people are running into the problem, might be able to put more pressure on Cisco/Apple to fix the problem.

and

One other thing I forgot to mention. My G5 is setup with multiple versions of Mac OS X installed on separate partitions. So I rebooted under Tiger (10.4.11) and ran the same Cisco VPN client - 4.9.01 (100) - for 24 hours straight, all the time using the VPN transferring data WITHOUT any panics. So while it maybe the Cisco VPN kernel extension actually causing the panic, something in the recent kernel changes is a contributing factor. In 10.5.1 and 10.5.2 I only had a couple kernel panics in months of usage.

[Eric S.]

Are the 10.5.5 seeds running on systems with integrated graphics yet?

[artpease]

Are the 10.5.5 seeds running on systems with integrated graphics yet?

Yes...

[seashellz]

an Incremental update ie 10.5.4>10.5.5=free
a Version update ie: 10.5.5>10.6.0 =$$



hope we see it Saturday maybe even Friday;

Ive even witnessed where MR notes "Build 9E34" was seeded today with no known issues"

only to have it come out that or the next day.

[Eric S.]

hope we see it Saturday maybe even Friday;

Saturday? Quite unlikely. There has been only one release of an OS X update on a weekend, and that was way back in the 10.0 days.

Ive even witnessed where MR notes "Build 9E34" was seeded today with no known issues"

only to have it come out that or the next day.

But that was build 34, not 13. Chances are we won't see this release until close to the end of the month, unless there is a particular problem Apple needs to fix immediately.

[Boxcar Edit]

Since when did a "beta" upgrade to an unscheduled OS update transition from page 2 to front page???

Good question, though this is unusually relevant for those of us who can't afford any quirks in our systems (wer'e running a business on Mac and would not have a lot of time to handle wireless issues, etc., if they did occur) and have been waiting for a version of 10.5 that's widely reported as stable. Most people don't have any issues, but we were among the ones having trouble with wireless connection drops after 10.4.9, so we've gotten more cautious. The install discs are ready to go and taunting me on the shelf; this is the main news we've been checking for over the past few months and we're so, so hoping for good reports on 10.5.5.

[star-affinity]

I found something interesting on the Apple forum saying that the kernel panics got much worse starting with 10.5.3:


and

Yup, add me to the list. I've also experienced a couple of Kernel Panics in Leopard when connected via the Cisco VPN Client. It adds "CiscoVPN.kext" into System -> Library -> Extensions so now wonder there's a potential of doing harm...

[twoodcc]

sounds like this update is coming along nicely. looking forward to installing it

[Pooshka]

I hope 10.5.5 fixes the bug where iTunes endlessly prompts to re-authorize a computer.
What "bug" is that? I don't have this problem -- never have. Has anyone else seen this?
Try changing your Apple ID and purchasing something from the iTunes Store.

Alas, I had to change mine.

:rolleyes:

[andyblila]

I am an update junkie. I can't wait for this to come out. I am also impatiently waiting for the 2.1 iPhone update!

[GT500Shlby]

Usually in these cases, software companies version numbers go like this:
10.5.5
10.5.6
10.5.7
10.5.8
10.5.9
10.5.10
10.5.11 ....

Nevermind that it doesn't make sense according to MATH. :)

Not heard of OS X 10.4.11?

This isn't a decimal system you know...it has 2 decimal points.

I was being facetious. ;)

[THX1139]

I hope this update finally fixes the bug in Mail that won't allow you to delete junk mail. If you right click (or control click) on the junk mail folder the "Erase junk mail" option is grayed out. So instead, you have to select all of your junk mail messages and hit the delete message button. This of course moves the junk mail into the deleted messages folder instead of just deleting them from the hard drive. I don't like to mix my regular deleted messages with my junk mail cause I like to hang onto my deleted message for awhile... but get rid of junk asap.

It hasn't worked since Tiger and it's annoying! Makes me want to try a different email program. Maybe even go back to Entourage?

[rhett7660]

I am actually pretty darn happy with the current version. No kernal panics etc. Everything seems to be running freaking great!!!!!

On that note, I am interested in what the next version will bring thou!

[danny_w]

I hope this update finally fixes the bug in Mail that won't allow you to delete junk mail. If you right click (or control click) on the junk mail folder the "Erase junk mail" option is grayed out. So instead, you have to select all of your junk mail messages and hit the delete message button. This of course moves the junk mail into the deleted messages folder instead of just deleting them from the hard drive. I don't like to mix my regular deleted messages with my junk mail cause I like to hang onto my deleted message for awhile... but get rid of junk asap.

It hasn't worked since Tiger and it's annoying! Makes me want to try a different email program. Maybe even go back to Entourage?
Erasing junk mail or deleted mail works fine for me from the context menu, but I have had other annoying mail.app issues, such as intermittently not actually deleting a message (move to another mailbox and back again and the message pops right back up).

[seashellz]

we still havent seen 10.4.12 which had been bandied about as for real

[seashellz]

Saturday? Quite unlikely. There has been only one release of an OS X update on a weekend, and that was way back in the 10.0 days.



But that was build 34, not 13. Chances are we won't see this release until close to the end of the month, unless there is a particular problem Apple needs to fix immediately.
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uh...............I just made up that number on the fly
And good god-who says everything is set in stone?

Im no expert, but I think that I have read/seen of an unusual Saturday release or 2 from 10.3->but again dont sweat the small stuff.

An earlier post from someone who sounded like they might be in the know noted 'no known issues' and out within a week
Either way I can wait

[Eric S.]

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uh...............I just made up that number on the fly
And good god-who says everything is set in stone?

Not set in stone, but Apple is a company that does things in predictable ways. That's why Apple watchers get excited every Tuesday. Not to say they won't do something different every once in a while, but generally historical patterns are a good indicator.

Im no expert, but I think that I have read/seen of an unusual Saturday release or 2 from 10.3

If so, they were wrong.

10.3 - 24 October 2003 (Friday)
10.3.1 - 10 November 2003 (Monday)
10.3.2 - 17 December 2003 (Wednesday)
10.3.3 - 15 March 2004 (Monday)
10.3.4 - 26 May 2004 (Wednesday)
10.3.5 - 9 August 2004 (Monday)
10.3.6 - 5 November 2004 (Friday)
10.3.7 - 15 December 2004 (Wednesday)
10.3.8 - 9 February 2005 (Wednesday)
10.3.9 - 15 April 2005 (Friday)

->but again dont sweat the small stuff.

Are you kidding? What do you think we're here for? :D

[andyblila]

Not set in stone, but Apple is a company that does things in predictable ways. That's why Apple watchers get excited every Tuesday. Not to say they won't do something different every once in a while, but generally historical patterns are a good indicator.



If so, they were wrong.

10.3 - 24 October 2003 (Friday)
10.3.1 - 10 November 2003 (Monday)
10.3.2 - 17 December 2003 (Wednesday)
10.3.3 - 15 March 2004 (Monday)
10.3.4 - 26 May 2004 (Wednesday)
10.3.5 - 9 August 2004 (Monday)
10.3.6 - 5 November 2004 (Friday)
10.3.7 - 15 December 2004 (Wednesday)
10.3.8 - 9 February 2005 (Wednesday)
10.3.9 - 15 April 2005 (Friday)



Are you kidding? What do you think we're here for? :D

Maybe there is hope for tonight! :apple:

[AidenShaw]

Usually in these cases, software companies version numbers go like this:
10.5.5
10.5.6
10.5.7
10.5.8
10.5.9
10.5.10
10.5.11 ....

Nevermind that it doesn't make sense according to MATH. :)

I know - I hate it when the %f argument to scanf chokes on a number with two decimal points.

[BRLawyer]

I haven't had any problems with OS X in ages.

Me neither...OS X is simply PERFECT as of its current version...not a single issue to report.

[Papajohn56]

Fix the bloody NVidia driver so I can play Diablo 2

[Cuyahoga]

Fix the bloody NVidia driver so I can play Diablo 2
Diablo 2 --> Starcraft