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Durandal7
Jan 8, 2004, 09:41 PM
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/51405%7Ctop%7C01-08-2004::17:33%7Creuters.html

Jan 8, 5:28 PM (ET)

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) - Democrat Richard Gephardt's manager accused Howard Dean's presidential campaign on Thursday of planning to slip non-Iowans into the Jan. 19 caucuses to pose as state residents and support Dean.

Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi denied the allegation and told Gephardt manager Steve Murphy "sleazy tactics like yours are exactly the reason that people have stopped participating in the political process."

In a letter to Trippi and later in a conference call with reporters, Murphy said a Dean field organizer in Iowa told a Gephardt staff member some of the expected 3,500 out-of-state Dean supporters coming to Iowa to help turn out the caucus vote would try to participate.

"It has come to our attention that your campaign in Iowa is engaged in an effort to violate caucus rules and send out-of-state supporters to pose as Iowa residents and caucus in cities and towns across the state," Murphy said in the letter.

He told reporters the effort was "a direct challenge to the integrity of the caucuses" and called on Trippi to identify and fire the individuals responsible for it.

Murphy said the Gephardt campaign, in a must-win battle with front-runner Dean in Iowa, planned to step up its monitoring of caucus participants and had asked the state party to be particularly vigilant.

Participants in the caucuses, sponsored by the state Democratic Party, must be registered Democrats who will be old enough to vote in November, but they can register on the spot and identification or proof of residence is not required.

As a party event, Murphy said, there is no legal penalty attached to the fraud and he said he would not challenge the results if Gephardt lost.

The possibility of such an effort surfaced in November, when state party officials sent an advisory to the campaigns warning against the tactic after a Dean staff member in Vermont called and asked if a hotel address was sufficient grounds to participate. At the time, Dean officials dismissed the significance of the call and attributed it to a teen-age intern.

'RIDICULOUS' CHARGE

Trippi, who worked for Gephardt in 1988 as a deputy campaign manager, said the latest charge was "ridiculous" and that "people are tired of this type of campaigning."

Sneaking out-of-staters into a caucus in some towns could be difficult, as all participants meet publicly to declare their preferences, leaving strangers vulnerable to exposure. Murphy said some precincts have hundreds of participants and a fraudulent voter could blend in.

The allegations came as some of the nine Democrats vying for the right to challenge President Bush touted their proposals for middle-class tax relief, drawing a contrast with plans by Dean and Gephardt to repeal all of Bush's tax cuts, including those on middle and lower-income families.

Gephardt defended his plan, saying the savings would go to pay for his health care proposal that would ultimately save middle-class families more.

"Some in this race are promising to preserve some large part of the Bush tax cut. I think retaining a large part of a failure is still a failure," said Gephardt, who campaigned across eastern and central Iowa.

During a campaign stop where he met with three families who would benefit from his tax proposals, Democrat John Edwards said he was surprised that Dean was preparing a new plan that would give tax relief to the middle class.

"It's amazing what politicians will do when the election's approaching," the North Carolina senator told reporters in Manchester, New Hampshire, when asked about Dean.

Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry brought his crusade against corporate greed to a college students' convention in Manchester, winning loud applause by repeating his vow to close corporate tax loopholes.

"We're going to scour the tax code of our country and we're not going to leave one loophole, one reward, one incentive for any Benedict Arnold company or CEO that take their money and jobs overseas," Kerry said.



zimv20
Jan 8, 2004, 09:54 PM
how ugly. i don't know who to believe. someone is a ****ing retard.

Dont Hurt Me
Jan 8, 2004, 09:57 PM
The Mud is starting Fly, in South Carolina anyone can vote in the primaries, Republicans, Democrats,Independents so im thinking about it though still undecided. I still like Kucinich and Lieberman. Gephardt comes across to me as to much of a career politician with not much back bone. Cant stand people who point with a thumb and closed hand.

Sayhey
Jan 9, 2004, 02:40 PM
I think this report is a sign of the Gephardt campaign's growing desperation. That is not because it is impossible for some idiots in Dean's campaign to plan such a thing (if Dean were to have ok'd it himself he would be crazy and done politically if it ever came out.) The critical thing is that a strong campaign doesn't make such a charge without more to back it up.

Iowa was always thought to be Gephardt's state up to Dean's surge in the polls. If he can't take this neighboring state, it is likely his money will dry up pretty quickly - he might not even make it through to New Hampshire. That's the nail-biting fear of lost political ambition talking.

Dont Hurt Me
Jan 9, 2004, 03:14 PM
I agree with you Sayhey Gephardt is throwing a new mudball everyday. today he was slinging comments that Dean made a few years ago how the special interest are running both sides( Republicans/Democrats) in the Iowa caucus. Gephardt was acting like Dean had just commited sin. One thing i do like about Dean is he doesnt seem to be in any special interests pockets or am i wrong?

Sayhey
Jan 9, 2004, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I agree with you Sayhey Gephardt is throwing a new mudball everyday. today he was slinging comments that Dean made a few years ago how the special interest are running both sides( Republicans/Democrats) in the Iowa caucus. Gephardt was acting like Dean had just commited sin. One thing i do like about Dean is he doesnt seem to be in any special interests pockets or am i wrong?

I've been watching and participating in politics long enough to have a certain cynical admiration of a well thrown "mudball." This isn't one of them. If its truthful and delivered adroitly - that's one thing, but this doesn't reflect well on Gephardt's control of his campaign. Of course, if it is true it reflects even more badly on Dean's.

As to Dean and special interests, I guess that depends on how you define "special interests." He has his share of unions and issue organizations that back his candidacy. He also has large contributors. As you have pointed out on numerous occasions, both the Democrats and Republicans are financed in the main by large corporate interests. If that is the issue for you, I'm afraid it boils down to what special interest groups you are comfortable with.

mactastic
Jan 9, 2004, 04:11 PM
I heard tell of this from my sister, who's working for Gephardt in Iowa, over Xmas. Apparently there were some anonomyous calls placed to the Gephardt campaign asking what exactly the rules were regarding out-of-state participants. They were told there was no rule against that kind of action, and have apparently chosen to go that route. She said they are also expecting some strong-arm tactics on voting day from the Dean supporters as well. I guess trying to intimidate or coerce people to vote their way.

meta-ghost
Jan 9, 2004, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I still like Kucinich and Lieberman.

what did john stewart say about lieberman? something like - he is the candidate for those who really want to vote for bush but don't think he's jewish enough.

Sayhey
Jan 9, 2004, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I still like Kucinich and Lieberman.

You do know that these two are at opposite ends of the political spectrum within the Democratic party? I with you about Kucinich, but I don't think he has a chance in hell. Far too progressive to win either the nomination or the general election.

Dont Hurt Me
Jan 9, 2004, 09:42 PM
yeah i know these guys differ, i was expecting someone to say what you did. ill just keep watching. Kerry,Gephardt do nothing for me, Edwards i like, Dean seems a little cocky if you will. Lieberman i respect and Kucinich shows a lot of passion and i like what he has said about a lot of stuff. Clark is ok but im not big on having a General run the country. years of military will warp anyone even a General. will just have to keep watching though iam going to do something i have not in the past and that is vote in the democratic primaries.