PowerMac G5s - on or around Jan 20th? [Archive] - Page 2

Bodie

Jan 21, 2004, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by Hackcomic.com
That is a good deal at Macmall- $1794 for a 1.8 single and free Ram.. Now I really dont know if I should wait for the new duals- or jsut go with the single.

powermax.com has the 1.8 single for $1849, which includes free ram and a few other goodies. And... no taxes and no shipping charges.

I recently received a quote from them on a G4 and there was no tax and no shipping charges, so I ASSume it would apply for a G5.

Also, the ram upgrade included installation and testing and there is no extra charge for this, and no rebate to deal with.

Not sure, but this might be a better deal.

iriejedi

Jan 21, 2004, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by 3.1416
PCI Express, not PCI-X. It's the successor to AGP.

I know the new machinces (w/adaptors) can handle two monitors, but if there are no PCI-X video cards how can you add three or 4 monitors?

I was planning on using my PCI radeon card....why...because I have one....

Assuming it fits and all...and assuming PCI-X is backwards compatible like USB2

Anyone know what you can use a PIC-X slot for?

TranceClubMusic

Jan 21, 2004, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by iriejedi
I know the new machinces (w/adaptors) can handle two monitors, but if there are no PCI-X video cards how can you add three or 4 monitors?

I was planning on using my PCI radeon card....why...because I have one....

Assuming it fits and all...and assuming PCI-X is backwards compatible like USB2

Anyone know what you can use a PIC-X slot for?

Im a tad bit confused on this issue as well.
Is the new and up comming "PCI-Express" Video Cards to replace the "AGP" Slots on Mother boards? Or is "PCI-X" from Apple another way of saying "PCI-Express"? Like Apple's FireWire to the IEEE Standard (One in the same).:confused:

3.1416

Jan 21, 2004, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by iriejedi
if there are no PCI-X video cards how can you add three or 4 monitors? I was planning on using my PCI radeon card....

PCI-X is backwards compatible with regular PCI, so that should work.

Or is "PCI-X" from Apple another way of saying "PCI-Express"?

No, they're separate. Unfortunately it seems like every new technology has to incorporate "X" into the name somehow, which can easily cause confusion.

warmd

Jan 22, 2004, 05:35 AM

single 1.8 bargains mean nothing. it's discontinued goods, as has been pointed out. if you're willing to settle for 1 processor, consider this a nice gift from apple. if you followed the conference call, you'll see that the G5 speedbump which happened was unplanned, but that the 1.8 models were not selling at all well, for obvious reasons, and had to go. apple took much lower margins on the dual 1.8, but theirtheir stated goal is to move more PM G5's, even if the margins aren't as good as they'd like. Maybe it took awhile for Apple to get started on clearing out the single 1.8's, but today's bargain will not look so good once the next bump hits (soon please!). it's just silly to look at the 1.8 singles in relation to the rest of the line, because they're not part of the line anymore.

the fact they want to move quantities is good news for those of us who haven't bought yet, as it means they're going to keep tempting us with well-priced, well-spec'd machines in order to increase the units sold, even at the expense of margins shrinking, to a point.

meanwhile, my opinion is they've got to go all-dual soon, because otherwise the low end PM is going to look like a pile of puke next to the inevitable G5 iMacs and PB's.

~Shard~

Jan 22, 2004, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by warmd

meanwhile, my opinion is they've got to go all-dual soon, because otherwise the low end PM is going to look like a pile of puke next to the inevitable G5 iMacs and PB's.

All dual would be nice, but I don't think it's a necessity, as you imply. Although the G5 iMac and PB are inevitable, there would still be many distinguishing features in the lowest end PM to make it stand apart from the iMac, for instance. I'm assuming, the new low end will become a 2.0 GHz G5, or possibly a 2.2 GHz G5. I don't see the G5 iMac having anything more powerful than a 1.6 or 1.8. Now sure, processor-wise, this isn't much difference, but when it comes to things like PCI-X, FW800, huge harddrives, 1 GHz (or greater) FSB, possibly DDR II RAM, or who knows what else, I think there will be enough to set the PM apart from the iMac that goes beyond the simple proximity in processor speed, as they definitely would not need ot "max out" the G5 iMac to the level the PM is/will be at.

CalfCanuck

Jan 22, 2004, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by warmd
single 1.8 bargains mean nothing. it's discontinued goods, as has been pointed out. if you're willing to settle for 1 processor, consider this a nice gift from apple. if you followed the conference call, you'll see that the G5 speedbump which happened was unplanned, but that the 1.8 models were not selling at all well, for obvious reasons, and had to go. apple took much lower margins on the dual 1.8, but theirtheir stated goal is to move more PM G5's, even if the margins aren't as good as they'd like. Maybe it took awhile for Apple to get started on clearing out the single 1.8's, but today's bargain will not look so good once the next bump hits (soon please!). it's just silly to look at the 1.8 singles in relation to the rest of the line, because they're not part of the line anymore.
Thanks - I completely agree with your point that the ENTIRE single processor line will soon be obsolete.

I began posting about the 1.8 being released in reponse to someone who argued that we won't see any G5 product line changes until March (8 weeks from now). I agrued that this seemed very unlikely, as Apple was was now sending price signals with the 1.8.

When you say " it's just silly to look at the 1.8 singles in relation to the rest of the line, because they're not part of the line anymore", the 1.6 IS IN FACT part of the current line, and the only computer I was addressing with this argument.

The key point is that Apple's "re-releasing" of the 1.8 at the price of $1799 effectively kills off sales of the 1.6. Everyone talks of discontinued models, but this is a little misleading - it's better to speak of the 1.8 as a discontinued CONFIGURATION. If you go to Apple's web site, you can order a 1.6 for $1799. Then under the BTO, upgrade the RAM to 512, and the HD to 160. The price on this BTO config is now $2049, although the 1.6 processor is still slower than the 1.8, but the config is now almost the same.

Also, under Apple's refurbished units, the 1.6 sells for $1399, while the 1.8 sells for $1699. Apple knows it's a better unit, with better specs than the 1.6. So when they chose to release it now (after sitting on the stock of 1.8's for 10 weeks and taking a hit of $200- 300 per unit), they did it for some informed, business strategy.

So yes, we agree. And my argument about the 1.8 is that it signals Apple will NOT keep the 1.6 in the lineup for another 2 months, as another poster was maintaining.

warmd

Jan 22, 2004, 11:40 AM

> line changes until March (8 weeks from >now). I agrued that this seemed very

more like 5 weeks in my time zone :)

>unlikely, as Apple was was now sending >price signals with the 1.8.

This is what i disagree with. 3rd party resellers are getting that stock, i guess it's nice for them to be able to offer a better product for the same price as the 1.6. Other than on the refurb page (are these all truly refurbs or is this a back channel to offer some cheaper machines?:) The single 1.8 machines are not in the lineup of the Store. Apple's not very interested in reminding anyone of their existence, and I doubt you'll find them in Apple retail shops either.

>>current line, and the only computer I was >addressing with this argument.

i wasn't really addressing your post specifically, sorry.

>The key point is that Apple's "re-releasing" >of the 1.8 at the price of $1799

they're not re-releasing it, they're quietly unloading them through 3rd party channels.

>effectively kills off sales of the 1.6.

you're crediting ordinary consumers with being zealous apple-watchers and bargain hunters, but apple sells most of it's stuff to companies and individuals who march into the Store or Site and plunk down their cash. These folks don't know that MacConnection or whoever has a better machine for the same bucks.

>Everyone talks of discontinued models, >but this is a little misleading - it's better >to speak of the 1.8 as a discontinued >CONFIGURATION.

Apple does not sell brand-new 1.8 single processor machines, and hasn't for 8 weeks or whatever. You'll never see that model again as a new item on the Apple Store. That's close enough to being a discontinued model for me.

>Also, under Apple's refurbished units, the >1.6 sells for $1399, while the 1.8 sells for >$1699. Apple knows it's a better unit, with >better specs than the 1.6. So when they >chose to release it now (after sitting on >the stock of 1.8's for 10 weeks and taking >a hit of $200- 300 per unit), they did it for >some informed, business strategy.

yeah, like, "whoa, we better get this ***** outta here before steve finds out!" :)

>So yes, we agree. And my argument about >the 1.8 is that it signals Apple will NOT >keep the 1.6 in the lineup for another 2 >months, as another poster was >maintaining

well, i agree that the lineup is on the verge of changing, but i think that the 1.8 sayonara party is just a painful but necessary action which wouldn't have gotten any less painful if left undone, and that the date doesn't have any great significance. Maybe they didn't want to piss off the people who paid $2500 for them by starting to blow them out for $1700 right away, who knows?

CalfCanuck

Jan 22, 2004, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by warmd
you're crediting ordinary consumers with being zealous apple-watchers and bargain hunters, but apple sells most of it's stuff to companies and individuals who march into the Store or Site and plunk down their cash. These folks don't know that MacConnection or whoever has a better machine for the same bucks.

I guess it seems like we're arguing a fine point, but the macmall website quote says it all.

http://www.macmall.com/

And don't forget that hundreds of thousands of mailers will go out to Mac owners with this same headline on it. So if anyone calls up a Machead friend and says "hey thinking about getting a new 1.6 for $1799", I can't see how dumping these 1.8's at these prices will help www.Apple.com sales of the 1.6's.

While I agree that Apple probably didn't know what to do with these machines, I think that your point about not wanting to piss off those who first bought them is correct.

And that's what makes me wonder about why Apple both priced these old stock 1.8's at $1799, as well as decided to release them now. If they sat on them for 10 weeks, why not wait another 6 weeks. (you have some inside knowledge???)

They definitely are a FAR better deal than the 1.6's so why not sell them for $1999 and pocket the extra $200 per box for the 1000(?) they're dumping? Unless those pricing the boxes know something...

Sure, many of these places like MacMall, etc., are for the price zealots, but these are still brand new units, not reconditoned ones.

Of course I'm probably wrong, but I still think that Apple, who has always used pricing of different models quite effectively, would not dump "superior" new units at prices equal to those for inferior products currently in their product line.

TranceClubMusic

Jan 22, 2004, 12:47 PM

Sorry I just had to put my 2 cents in -
Everyone seems to be acting like this low price for the SP 1.8 is some New Information. When Apple discontinued the SP 1.8 and replaced it with the DP 1.8 - Did ANY of you go to the Apple Store and ask for the price of a SP1.8????
Guess what? Its the same price yall are jumping up and down about as IF this is some profound announcement of up comming G5 Speed Bumps or a change in the PM G5 Product line - guess what? It means nothing - why? Cause it meant NOTHING when they discontinued the SP 1.8 - the very next day after the DP 1.8 was announed - EVEN THE APPLE RETAIL STORES BLEW THEM OUT THE DOOR - and yes, even before the Mac World Conference.
Now - as of today - you cant find any more SP1.8 @ the Apple Store and to get rid of this "DISCONTINUED PRODUCT" (how ever you want to word it - its still on its death bed) many 3rd Party Online retailers are following the foot steps of the Apple Store and like wise blowing out thier inventory OF A DISCONTINUED PRODUCT.
My point? Lower prices of the SP 1.8 (yes - I know it lower then the SP 1.6:rolleyes: ) has NOTHING to do with any upcomming new G5 ANYTHING.
As you can already see - all the "supposed" inside rumors have all fell apart........
First it was New G5 Speed Bumps @ Mac World - Nothing
then...........20th Anniversary Tuesday January 20th - Nothing
Now its "The Official Anniversary Date Saturday 23rd" - I will venture to say - Not gonna happen.
New updated Web Page around the 20th? Na........
So my opinion is - the lowering of the SP 1.8 had NOTHING to do with anything - other then getting rid of a product that DID NOT SELL - PERIOD!!
From my sources - Most people either bought a DP2.0 (best Seller) or went the cheapest route by buying the SP1.6
As of today the DP 2.0 is still the best seller in the G5.
The SP 1.8 - was terrible in sales - the DP 1.8 was created to hopefuly uptake potential customers of the SP1.6 to move up to a DP with out the expense of the DP2.0
Thats my opinion - and my last post regarding this situation - cause I dont want to get in trouble any more by the Moderators.

iriejedi

Jan 22, 2004, 12:48 PM

While there is no sociological reason to sell the 1.6's for more than the 1.8's.... What we really need to know is What is a Wookie doing on Endor? It just doesn't make sense! There for you must aquit all those who are trying to make sense of it all and just wait and see.

(South Park reference - I'm not that insane)

My 2 cents is that they Mac Mall paid X dollars for the 1.6s in there wearhouses and Apple won't take them back. Thus to drop the price means a loss. I also suspect that the $250 rebate is not from mac mall directly but from Apple itself. While we see it as a bottom line price, Mac Mall proabbly has to apply for the rebate like any other consumer and it is Apple's way of moving inventory that 'technically' they discontinued.

Who knows and in the bigger game of life it is not worth debating.

As I said before I personally guarantee that in the future there will be faster Macs!

CalfCanuck

Jan 22, 2004, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Cause it meant NOTHING when they discontinued the SP 1.8 - the very next day after the DP 1.8 was announed - EVEN THE APPLE RETAIL STORES BLEW THEM OUT THE DOOR - and yes, even before the Mac World Conference.
If this was the case, I stand corrected and acknowledge that my argument is not relevant. See, all you had to do was present facts to the contrary, and I'd cave in quick.:cool:

TranceClubMusic

Jan 22, 2004, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
If this was the case, I stand corrected and acknowledge that my argument is not relevant. See, all you had to do was present facts to the contrary, and I'd cave in quick.:cool:

Still LOVE ya Man! :D

warmd

Jan 22, 2004, 03:17 PM

i think we're all united in hoping for the early demise of any G5 whose total CPU power comes in @ under 3.2 ghz, no?!

If anything from a dual 1.6 up becomes the bottom of the line, PM G5 will be Lord of all it surveys (and there will be room for lots of SP iMacs and PB's).

meanwhile, AI posted this on the 20th:

"Consecutive mumblings have hinted that January 24th, which marks the 20th anniversary of the Macintosh, could bear the results of multiple Apple hardware endeavors."

so maybe apple is sentimental enough to do it on a Saturday??

Downdivx

Jan 22, 2004, 05:18 PM

Going just slightly off topic,
I had a discussion with a friend of mine the other day and we agreed that multiple processors are probably the future of computers.
Its getting harder and harder to make faster and smaller CPUs. Smaller and faster raises heat concerns. You need special (and usually new) manufacturing facilities that are extremely expensive to create and can only be used for a short time before new processes require a new facility.
At the same time you're moving away from a perfectly good processor in which you have millions of dollars invested.
Add the rise of distributed processing into the mix.
It seems to me that it would be much cheaper to build multi-CPU computers than to keep building faster and smaller chips. New motherboards would be significantly cheaper to create and could use existing CPUs. A little bit of software trickery to spread the load across several processors and boom, you can exponentially increase the speed of computers without serious startup costs.
That's just my two cents, does anyone else agree?
W
PS: So I guess Apple's dual PM line is just another example of how its ahead of the curve.

invaLPsion

Jan 22, 2004, 06:33 PM

Have you noticed that the pessimists are the ones who don't have the money to buy the new G5s whent hey come out, unlike some others. Don't let this start MacWorld War 3 tho.:D

GregA

Jan 22, 2004, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by invaLPsion
Have you noticed that the pessimists are the ones who don't have the money to buy the new G5s whent hey come out, unlike some others. Don't let this start MacWorld War 3 tho.:D Through seeing my iMac, my parents are ready to try the Mac once more (they and their business once used Fat Macs, SE, SE40, a couple more around this time, and a MacII, & I think a IIci ??... then Windows 95 onwards).

They want an iMac for now, to do video work with... and they want it now. I've persuaded them to wait 1 more week (though they'd waited for Jan 6 too).

So my Pessimistic outlook is that the new iMac G5 will be released in 2 weeks, based purely on my past experience with Murphy's Law.

ffakr

Jan 22, 2004, 08:09 PM

I'd say, if you don't see an announcement by Monday... tell your parents to buy an iMac now. If the release of a new iMac isn't tied to the 20th anniversery.. who knows when it will get rev'ed.

I think Apple will move the whole desktop line over to the G5 soon.. but I have no idea what their time table will be.

Downdivx

Jan 22, 2004, 08:14 PM

I would wait until after the Superbowl. If it isn't Saturday it could still be then. Just my guess

W

Frobozz

Jan 22, 2004, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by ffakr
I'd say, if you don't see an announcement by Monday... tell your parents to buy an iMac now. If the release of a new iMac isn't tied to the 20th anniversery.. who knows when it will get rev'ed.

I think Apple will move the whole desktop line over to the G5 soon.. but I have no idea what their time table will be.

I have to agree with you. There is going to be a long wait for an iMac G5 if it doesn't happen soon. I'd love to think otherwise, but I just don't think it.

~Shard~

Jan 22, 2004, 11:06 PM

I see PM speed boosts and new LCD displays before the G5 iMac, so I'm thinking the new iMac won't be unveiled for a couple more months at least.

aswitcher

Jan 22, 2004, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
I see PM speed boosts and new LCD displays before the G5 iMac, so I'm thinking the new iMac won't be unveiled for a couple more months at least.

You know your probably right but the iMac and eMac lines are begging for a revamp given the poor sales performance. Maybe the 20th anniversary will see all the desktops updated... wishful thinking...

~Shard~

Jan 23, 2004, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by aswitcher
You know your probably right but the iMac and eMac lines are begging for a revamp given the poor sales performance. Maybe the 20th anniversary will see all the desktops updated... wishful thinking...

Oh I completely agree - the lines are definitely due for updates, and I'd love to see them sooner rather than later, but just thinking realistically. I'd love to see a nice surprise around the 20th as well!

TranceClubMusic

Jan 23, 2004, 11:35 AM

I was looking on www.crucial.com
and found something interesting..........
Click on where it says "Step One" to select memory for an Apple Comuter..........then click on "Step Two"
Where it says "Choose your Apple Product line" from the drop down menu - the First Item says "20th Anniversary Mac"
Whats this?? Does Crucial know something we dont?
Why list that as a Product Line??
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Anyone else ever see this??:confused: :confused:

iriejedi

Jan 23, 2004, 11:42 AM

Following the crucial lead and chosing the 20th anniversary mac....
I get this message - followed by this help file....

http://www.crucial.com/store/listmodel.asp?cat=RAM&mfr=Apple&productline=20TH+Anniversary+Mac&submit=Go

We're Sorry!
No products are currently available for the system you selected. Your system may require proprietary or non-standard parts. If your system requires RDRAM or Rambus technology

Rambus DRAM
Rambus memory (RDRAM®) is a revolutionary step from SDRAM. It's a memory design with changes to the bus structure and how signals are carried. Rambus memory sends less information on the data bus (which is 16 or 18 bits wide as opposed to the standard 64 or 72 bits) but it sends data more frequently. It also reads data on both the rising and falling edges of the clock signal, as DDR does. As a result, Rambus memory is able to achieve effective data transfer speeds of 800MHz and higher.

Another difference with Rambus memory is that all memory slots in the motherboard must be populated. Even if all the memory is contained in a single module, the "unused" sockets must be populated with a PCB, known as a continuity module, to complete the circuit.

Rambus DRAM modules are known as RIMM™ modules (Rambus inline memory modules). Rambus memory supports both ECC and non-ECC applications.

http://www.crucial.com/library/ddr_vs_rdram.asp

While the whole file implies RDRAM is little used...yet... maybe this is the next big leap by Super Stevie!

The delay sucks but rumors rock!

TranceClubMusic

Jan 23, 2004, 11:49 AM

I copy and pasted so please read this backwards thanks......

John>I see that you dont carry the memory - Question is - Where did CRUCIAL get that "Product Line" from??
Carmen>Unfortunately, we do not carry the memory that you require, please check back with the manufacturer of your system, or with the place of purchase.
John>See that product line listed? Called the 20th Anniversary MAC? Is this a new product Crucial antisipates to come out soon? What memory would it use? Why is that Product Lised on the drop down menu?
John>http://www.crucial.com/store/listmodel.asp?cat=RAM&mfr=Apple&productline=20TH+Anniversary+Mac&submit=Go
Carmen>Can you forward me that link please.
John>Apple 20th Anniversary MAC
Carmen>What is the make and model of the system or the make and model of the motherboard you are wanting to upgrade?
John>Under the Memory Selection for an Apple Computer You List a Product Line "20th Anniversary MAC" What is this product? Is it New? Comming out soon? Or is that a Typo?
Carmen>Hello John. How can I help you?

After I said that she disconnected me!!!!!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek:

iriejedi

Jan 23, 2004, 11:53 AM

hahahahahah

Sounds like the old Cheech and Chong bit...

Is that you Pedro?

No it is not me...don't open the door?

What Pedro...

etc...etc...

clearly

Jan 23, 2004, 12:02 PM

The 20th Anniversary Mac was a product launched by Apple in 1997 to mark the 20th anniversary of Apple (not the Mac).

maclamb

Jan 23, 2004, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by iriejedi
hahahahahah

Sounds like the old Cheech and Chong bit...

Is that you Pedro?

No it is not me...don't open the door?

What Pedro...

etc...etc...

If I remember correctly it was "Dave' - not pedro - though perhpas this was regional for you?

"Dave's not here, Man" - was the bit - went on for about 10 minutes- though at the time my time-sense may have been warped/affected

aswitcher

Jan 23, 2004, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by clearly
The 20th Anniversary Mac was a product launched by Apple in 1997 to mark the 20th anniversary of Apple (not the Mac).

Yeah but this RAM mentioned, is that new or old?

iriejedi

Jan 23, 2004, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by aswitcher
Yeah but this RAM mentioned, is that new or old?

.Full story...With link that was like Next Generation Memory....
http://www.crucial.com/library/ddr_vs_rdram.asp

FYI - Crucial's site is at this moment 'unavailable' - see it 20th anniversary Mac is listed later on today.....

The Crucial Technology Web site is currently unavailable!

To better serve the system-specific needs of our customers, we are performing scheduled maintenance to our Web site.
We expect to have the Web site available shortly. Thank-you for your patience.

I:confused:

aswitcher

Jan 23, 2004, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by iriejedi
.Full story...With link that was like Next Generation Memory....
http://www.crucial.com/library/ddr_vs_rdram.asp

FYI - Crucial's site is at this moment 'unavailable' - see it 20th anniversary Mac is listed later on today.....

The Crucial Technology Web site is currently unavailable!

To better serve the system-specific needs of our customers, we are performing scheduled maintenance to our Web site.
We expect to have the Web site available shortly. Thank-you for your patience.

I:confused:

Sounds revolutionary and expensive... But great for gaming is attractive...

bpd115

Jan 23, 2004, 04:50 PM

People this is no lead.... it's the 20th anniv. Mac released in 1997. The whole bit about Rambus (Introduced with the Pentium 4 and eventually faded out of the mainstream with the more cost effective DDR) is just saying IF your system requires rambus, not that the TAM does.

Apple 20th Anniversary Mac memory -

64mb edo, buffered, non-parity, 60ns, 5v, 8 x 64

http://discountram.biz/apple/20th%20Anniversary%20Mac.shtml

Mr Maui

Jan 23, 2004, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Downdivx
Going just slightly off topic,
I had a discussion with a friend of mine the other day and we agreed that multiple processors are probably the future of computers.
Its getting harder and harder to make faster and smaller CPUs. Smaller and faster raises heat concerns. You need special (and usually new) manufacturing facilities that are extremely expensive to create and can only be used for a short time before new processes require a new facility.
At the same time you're moving away from a perfectly good processor in which you have millions of dollars invested.
Add the rise of distributed processing into the mix.
It seems to me that it would be much cheaper to build multi-CPU computers than to keep building faster and smaller chips. New motherboards would be significantly cheaper to create and could use existing CPUs. A little bit of software trickery to spread the load across several processors and boom, you can exponentially increase the speed of computers without serious startup costs.
That's just my two cents, does anyone else agree?
W
PS: So I guess Apple's dual PM line is just another example of how its ahead of the curve.

As a brief reminder to those with an Apple history ...

Daystar made a Quad processor Mac clone back in the day. So maybe something "better" than duals are on the horizon. :)

One can dream ... no ?!?!?!?

iriejedi

Jan 23, 2004, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Mr Maui
As a brief reminder to those with an Apple history ...

Daystar made a Quad processor Mac clone back in the day. So maybe something "better" than duals are on the horizon. :)

One can dream ... no ?!?!?!?

I'd love to see that!

One question though - my understanding is that only VERY few programs actually use both processors to make them run faster - for games etc... aren't we really still talking about a single processor effort?

Also - Im not up to speed on OS X these days - but how does it handle memory allocation? Will I still have to set min and optimal memory for every program well in excess of mfg's specs... or does OS X adjust and take what is needed?

djbahdow01

Jan 23, 2004, 11:11 PM

I was in atendance yesterday Fri. Jan 23rd at the Graphics of the Americas Convention in Miami Beach and Apple Computers was mysteriously missing.
Could it mean new computers and moniters??
They wouldn't bring out of date computers and moniters if they were going to update in the next few days or weeks would they?

pianojoe

Jan 23, 2004, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by iriejedi
I'd love to see that!

One question though - my understanding is that only VERY few programs actually use both processors to make them run faster - for games etc... aren't we really still talking about a single processor effort?

No. Even if your app is single-threaded (does not distribute tasks well) like some older QT codecs, the rest of the OS including the gui will move to the other proc to keep the system responsive.

Also - Im not up to speed on OS X these days - but how does it handle memory allocation? Will I still have to set min and optimal memory for every program well in excess of mfg's specs... or does OS X adjust and take what is needed?

The latter is correct.

jade

Jan 24, 2004, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by djbahdow01
I was in atendance yesterday Fri. Jan 23rd at the Graphics of the Americas Convention in Miami Beach and Apple Computers was mysteriously missing.
Could it mean new computers and moniters??
They wouldn't bring out of date computers and moniters if they were going to update in the next few days or weeks would they?

Or maybe Apple decided not to attend the show after big MAcworld and NAMM expenditures

CalfCanuck

Jan 24, 2004, 05:00 AM

As Arn posted on the new Happy 20th Birthday thread, G5 inventories are down.

I just checked a few sites that actually post inventory numbers and availability waits, and they all seem to be 7-10 days, up from 2-3 days just a week or two ago.

So maybe our G5's will be coming this next week after all. As always, we'll soon see.

Happy 20th, Mac!

Edit - Here's hoping the r.2's new motherboard continues to refine performance bottlenecks and give us more of the G5's power! Let's make those Apple engineers WORK for their stock options!

cubist

Jan 24, 2004, 04:58 PM

Refurb dual 2.0's are available on Apple Store for $2399. This is the first time I've seen them there. (These wouldn't be Va. Tech machines would they?)

warmd

Jan 25, 2004, 03:03 AM

been there for weeks, not new

Downdivx

Jan 25, 2004, 09:37 AM

No, even last week if you held your mouse over the Xserve graphic, the pop up text said single or dual 2.3 Ghz G5. First Apple Canada's graphic was wrong, then just this text (what is that text called when you hold your mouse over a picture but don't click?). Its been wrong on the apple US Store in the text only, the graphic has always been correct.
There are a couple of theories about this, the most popular being that 2.3 GHz G5s were about to be released and someone screwed up and put the wrong graphic up early.
W

wrldwzrd89

Jan 25, 2004, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Downdivx
snip
(what is that text called when you hold your mouse over a picture but don't click?)
snip

I believe the name for that is alternative text, usually displayed in image-savvy browsers as a tooltip.

yamabushi

Jan 25, 2004, 05:56 PM

Well if for some reason the 2.3GHz Xserve became reality in the near future, then we might see impressive updates in the PM line. But if a single and dual 2.3 were to be the entry level PowerMacs, where would the top end be? The middle might be a dual 2.5 or 2.6 which would put the top end perhaps around 2.8. I would be very happy if this dream came true.

macmunch

Jan 26, 2004, 08:44 AM

hey hey
I dont understand that why all of you think it will be Monday ???

The last 4 or 5 announcments were Tuesdays !!!!

And last year 27 Tuesday or something came the G4 1,42 DUAL !!!

So wait till tommorow when thats not than next Tuesday ...

But I said 4 Weeks ago in this Forum

"They won´t come on MWSF, earliest on 27th Tuesday or later. But Tuesday, you will see ..."

So we´ll see

wrldwzrd89

Jan 26, 2004, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by macmunch
hey hey
I dont understand that why all of you think it will be Monday ???

The last 4 or 5 announcments were Tuesdays !!!!

And last year 27 Tuesday or something came the G4 1,42 DUAL !!!

So wait till tommorow when thats not than next Tuesday ...

But I said 4 Weeks ago in this Forum

"They won´t come on MWSF, earliest on 27th Tuesday or later. But Tuesday, you will see ..."

So we´ll see

I agree. Tuesday the 27th of January 2004 seems like a likely date for an update. I'm hoping for new PowerMac G5s!

Duff-Man

Jan 26, 2004, 11:57 AM

Duff-Man says.....just to feed the rumour mill a bit more....this was posted this morning at RailHead Design (http://www.railheaddesign.com/) - News From Apple Tomorrow
Tomorrow promises to be a “big” day for Apple, so get your credit card balances down and your paychecks deposited… - while not a real "rumour" site, he has in the past been spot-on with news of OS updates.......oh yeah!

Jan 26, 2004, 02:17 PM

it is about time the g5 gets an update. i just wonder what happens to the xserve, when the powermac gets higher clockspeed . i mean, is the dual 2ghz xserve a hot seller when there is a dual 2.6 ghz powermac with obvious more power under the hood? i do not believe in dual 2.6 ghz, though when there is a quad 2.6 ghz xstation!
okay, stop dreaming ...
.a

Downdivx

Jan 26, 2004, 04:25 PM

I have a question about this...
What is the difference between the PM G5 (130nm) cpu and the Xserve G5 (90nm) cpu slots? If we're predicting a PM G5 (90nm) upgrade soon, wouldn't the two 90nm cpus be swappable?
I guess what I'm getting at is this: What if new PMs are released soon (fingers crossed) with faster processors, but the same motherboard speed as the current Xserves, so all that apple had to do to upgrade the current Xserve design was stick in faster G5 chips. As I understand it the Xserves aren't shipping for a while (I just checked the apple website and there is a 6-8 week wait). So anyone who has ordered could upgrade their order to a faster processor and it wouldn't be a big hassle for apple?
Thoughts?
W

wrldwzrd89

Jan 26, 2004, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Downdivx
I have a question about this...
What is the difference between the PM G5 (130nm) cpu and the Xserve G5 (90nm) cpu slots? If we're predicting a PM G5 (90nm) upgrade soon, wouldn't the two 90nm cpus be swappable?
I guess what I'm getting at is this: What if new PMs are released soon (fingers crossed) with faster processors, but the same motherboard speed as the current Xserves, so all that apple had to do to upgrade the current Xserve design was stick in faster G5 chips. As I understand it the Xserves aren't shipping for a while (I just checked the apple website and there is a 6-8 week wait). So anyone who has ordered could upgrade their order to a faster processor and it wouldn't be a big hassle for apple?
Thoughts?
W

You're forgetting about just how difficult it is to keep a server like the XServe cool. I suspect that given the cooling requirements of the XServe G5, Apple couldn't feasibly use a G5 that was faster than 2.0 GHz. The processors may very well be swappable, but I don't think doing so would be feasible.

warmd

Jan 27, 2004, 12:52 PM

You're forgetting about just how difficult it is to keep a server like the XServe cool. I suspect that given the cooling requirements of the XServe G5, Apple couldn't feasibly use a G5 that was faster than 2.0 GHz. The processors may very well be swappable, but I don't think doing so would be feasible.

um, you're the one forgetting. The new chips run cooler than the old ones. personally, i think apple will stay with X-serve where it is for the moment.

Oh, wait, this just in: All the machines are staying where they are, forever, and this whole thread is a waste of time: Steve Jobs just made a statement saying they're fast enough already, what do you want from us, and that the 20th anniversary iMac is in fact the nMac = nada. ;)

Mr Maui

Jan 27, 2004, 01:24 PM

Here's my thoughts ...

SJ is sitting around in Cupertino, enjoying the fact that everyone is trying desperately to figure out what he has up his sleeve. He is enjoying all of the hype and publicity. He is patting himself on the back for keeping things under wraps. He is enjoying watchin people (especially those here on the rumor sites) squirm.

Bottom line ...

If you're a real Mac enthusiast and a loyal Mac person, you're not gonna ditch your Mac no matter what SJ does or doesn't do, release or not release, say or not say ...

And for the record ...

SJ KNOWS THIS!!!

So ... in conclusion ... he is gonna do what he's always done ...

He'll release what he wants, when he wants, and how he wants ... and we as loyal Mac people will continue to scoop them up as soon as they are released ... whenever that is ... and whatever they are ...

:p

<just an opinion>

wrldwzrd89

Jan 27, 2004, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by warmd
um, you're the one forgetting. The new chips run cooler than the old ones. personally, i think apple will stay with X-serve where it is for the moment.

Oh, wait, this just in: All the machines are staying where they are, forever, and this whole thread is a waste of time: Steve Jobs just made a statement saying they're fast enough already, what do you want from us, and that the 20th anniversary iMac is in fact the nMac = nada. ;)

Yes that is true, but the XServe's design requires more cooling than the PowerMac G5. That is why the XServe G5 has those two air intakes on the front (the XServe G4 did not have these). I think that Apple couldn't use faster G5 processors because of this. I'm sure Apple will find a solution later when the XServe is next revised, but for now I see a technical reason for Apple using 2.0 GHz 90nm PowerPC G5s in the current XServe.

<edit> Now that I decided to get an iMac, I will no longer post in this thread.</edit>

Hackcomic.com

Jan 27, 2004, 03:05 PM

I give up- I can't wait anymore- all these rumors are rediculous and dont seem to ever be right. That being said- is the single 1.8 better than the single 1.6? I know the single 1.6 isnt considered a very good machine- but I'd rather get a single 1.8 for $1800 than a dual 1.8 for $2499 that way I can take that extra cash and get a new monitor. But if the single 1.8 isnt that good of a machine- I would go to the dual 1.8. Thoughts?

iAtom

Jan 27, 2004, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Hackcomic.com
I give up- I can't wait anymore- all these rumors are rediculous and dont seem to ever be right. That being said- is the single 1.8 better than the single 1.6? I know the single 1.6 isnt considered a very good machine- but I'd rather get a single 1.8 for $1800 than a dual 1.8 for $2499 that way I can take that extra cash and get a new monitor. But if the single 1.8 isnt that good of a machine- I would go to the dual 1.8. Thoughts?

Well, right now on apples website there are refurbished single 1.6s for $1,399 and single 1.8s for $1,699. Also dual 2.0s for $2,399. I would recommend getting one of those, but I wouldn't get a refurb mac from anywhere else.

Dont Hurt Me

Jan 27, 2004, 03:22 PM

those are pretty good deals, mac mall is selling new 1.8 G5s for $1749 vs 1.6 for $1794. I think we will soon see a reshuffled line up very soon but 1749 for a new 1.8 looks very good. If i needed a computer now i would bite but i dont need one i simply want one so ill wait for the G5 Imac if they do one.

iAtom

Jan 27, 2004, 03:31 PM

I really do need a new computer, and I have been waiting for a while for the new PowerMacs. But they never come. I don't want to just buy one of the current models, because i'm afraid the new ones will be released right after.

pgwalsh

Jan 27, 2004, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by iAtom
I really do need a new computer, and I have been waiting for a while for the new PowerMacs. But they never come. I don't want to just buy one of the current models, because i'm afraid the new ones will be released right after. All the dates have come and gone. I suppose there's hope for the Super Bowl. I think the last perdicted date I heard was Feb 3 which is the tuesday after the super bowl. hmmm

warmd

Jan 27, 2004, 06:38 PM

I'm sure Apple will find a solution later when the XServe is next revised, but for now I see a technical reason for Apple using 2.0 GHz 90nm PowerPC G5s in the current XServe.

so you're sure they designed the new case for only one clock speed and there'll be another new case and vent scheme each time the bump the speed? whew, that'll keep 'em busy! ;)

wdlove

Jan 30, 2004, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by pgwalsh
All the dates have come and gone. I suppose there's hope for the Super Bowl. I think the last perdicted date I heard was Feb 3 which is the tuesday after the super bowl. hmmm

At this point with all the predicted date having past, It is best not to get our hopes up. Steve is just going to come out with new products when we least expect.

pgwalsh

Jan 30, 2004, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by wdlove
At this point with all the predicted date having past, It is best not to get our hopes up. Steve is just going to come out with new products when we least expect. seems that way.. The rumors have stopped coming in and things seem to be setteling down. Next Tuesday... haha

invaLPsion

Jan 30, 2004, 04:22 PM

Apple would be stupid not to update anything after the iTunes ad from the Superbowl. There will be a lot of attention coming to the site from that ad and if people see "Dual 2.6 GHz Powermac G5, Fastest Computer on the Market, (etc)" they will go "wow, I can get an iPod and a mac!"

What would be really smart of Apple would be to do some kind of deal where you can get $25- $100 off an iPod with the purchase of a new mac.

All I know is that according to tons of sources Apple is ready to release new powermacs, (so do it already!). I don't feel like waiting till March, though sadly I will if needs be.

Downdivx

Jan 30, 2004, 04:36 PM

Yeah, I thought about that, if suddenly thousands or millions of people visited apple.com it would be a huge market to sell new equipment to. But there wouldn't be any specific bonus to holding the new equipment announcements until after the superbowl. They could just as easily of announced new PMs last tuesday and then there would be an internet buzz surrounding the new equipment and millions of people hitting the apple site.

I want new PMs too, but I'm afraid we're making nothing into something.

W

invaLPsion

Jan 30, 2004, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Downdivx

I want new PMs too, but I'm afraid we're making nothing into something.

W

That's all we have left right now... We aren't getting any rumors concerning them...

dvdmaster

Jan 31, 2004, 06:14 AM

http://www.macosrumors.com

Yet more signs of an impending PowerMac update: Apple has continued to make classic pre-update moves regarding the PowerMac G5, including steeply dropping prices for refurbished models at the on-line Apple Store. The existing PMG5s are now also showing up as "End of Life" in several resellers' point of sale systems.

More stuff to fuel our hopes...

numediaman

Jan 31, 2004, 09:55 AM

Looking through other rumor sites, and talking to Apple people I know (no one who would "really" know, unfortunately), it is starting to come together: expect updates in March.

This makes sense to me for two reasons: one, this is a new chip they will be introducing, not just a slight speed bump on existing technology; two, the new G5s, the new iLife and other software updates have introduced an unacceptable amount of bugs and conflicts. Note the recent updates to FCE and QuickTime (asking G5 owners to "downgrade" their QT!). There is still a lot of work to do -- and I'm happy to see Apple realize this before they give us another beta-G5. A delay might allow them to upgrade the optical drive, and introduce new displays at the same time.

If I'm right, I would expect some minor February announcements to the PB line -- or maybe something big on iMacs -- but nothing for the G5. If I'm wrong, I get to buy a new G5 faster.

wizard

Jan 31, 2004, 11:41 AM

After all the speculation and geuss work I've seen here I will update my 2 cents. I'm thinking something will happen with the superbowl. With a 3GH G5 PowerMac what better place to put a smack down on the competition?

I say that though with a strong feeling in the back of my head that even now the rev B G5's are not ready to go due to Norhtbridge issues. So these new Macs may be using a 3:1 bus ratio to hit 3GHz. I hope not but it truely does not look good from my end.

While we are all waiting for the rev B machies there is also the reality that the iMac or its follow on is even a more important intorduction. It is easy to ignore this line but it is more importnat for something to happen here than possibly anywhere else.

Thanks
Dave

pgwalsh

Jan 31, 2004, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by dvdmaster
http://www.macosrumors.com

More stuff to fuel our hopes... Could just be a buckit load of G5's from Big Mac.

Mr. Anderson

Jan 31, 2004, 12:25 PM

I'm starting to think we won't see anything at the Super Bowl (and this bothers me) - basically because its a huge day for the ITMS, iTunes and the iPod (they're also having a 2 day 10% off sale on iPods at the same time).

This is where the current marketing push is aimed, and why befuddle the waters with new machines and hardware? Focus on the thing that's important right now and have another 'event' for the new machines - especially if they're going to update the LCD line.

I'd love to be surprised and be able to order a new dual 2.6 next week, but its looking doubtful.

D

Downdivx

Jan 31, 2004, 12:26 PM

Just saw this on Macosrumors.com. I haven't seen it posted here yet so I thought I would share it. They claim it came from the same source that broke VA Tech switching to cluster nodes, so it should be fairly reliable.

Edit: And I just saw that it's already been posted here. Sorry

Wednesday, January 28

VT Xserve G5s to be at least 2.4GHz: The usual suspects say there is a very good reason for the timing of Virginia Tech's switchover to Xserve G5s in the April/May timeframe - that is when Apple has said they will have faster dual PowerPC 970FX-based Xserves with CPUs running at no less than 2.4GHz. At that time Apple expects to be shipping PowerMac G5s with Dual 2.6GHz 970FX processors, and the only reason the Xserve lags slightly behind is the still considerable heat production of the 970FX. Not long after, Apple will be in the final stretch of development and manufacturing of the Powerbook G5 which could run as fast as 2GHz.

Due to the additional 800MHz of additional combined clock speed per node along with the other performance benefits of a cluster that will be 3X denser than the PowerMac-based supercomputer, the new system ought to be considerably more powerful even with the same number of nodes as before. The real killer about this latest wave of reports is this, however: rather than the 1,100 nodes in the PowerMac cluster, the extra space freed up in the Xserve system might allow VT to scale to 1,600+ nodes without too drastic a financial outlay on VT's part due to a very kind package deal offered by Apple.... Most impressive. We will just have to wait and see how close to the mark these reports prove to be.

:D
W

pgwalsh

Jan 31, 2004, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Downdivx
VT Xserve G5s to be at least 2.4GHz: The usual suspects say there is a very good reason for the timing of Virginia Tech's switchover to Xserve G5s in the April/May timeframe - Good news if true... I hope Apple releases PowerMacs before April/May.. That would be a rather long time between updates.

invaLPsion

Feb 1, 2004, 09:18 AM

Monday or Tuesday, maybe? I've seen two different rumor sites supporting an early February release. Let's hope Apple has a surprise in store for us!

~Shard~

Feb 1, 2004, 11:02 AM

This thread was initially regarding a January 20th release date for PM updates. January 20th has come and gone, and 14 pages of posts later, we're all falling into the trap of "well, maybe this week!" or "hopefully this Tuesday!" - it's going to be fun to see how long this thread continues. :) :cool:

takao

Feb 1, 2004, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
This thread was initially regarding a January 20th release date for PM updates. January 20th has come and gone, and 14 pages of posts later, we're all falling into the trap of "well, maybe this week!" or "hopefully this Tuesday!" - it's going to be fun to see how long this thread continues. :) :cool:

haha yeah this thread will end up in a 300+ pages all-purpose "hope for updates next week" thread you just have to choose
emac/imac/powermac/... in front of the word "update* :D

gate

Feb 1, 2004, 01:39 PM

"After all the speculation and geuss work I've seen here I will update my 2 cents. I'm thinking something will happen with the superbowl. With a 3GH G5 PowerMac what better place to put a smack down on the competition?"[B]

I feel the exact same thing. We should remember than the 20th anniversary is on the day of the SuperBowl. I feel that we should expect something huge today. A 3 ghz dual would be so great. Just one ad like 20 years ago. I keep my fingers crossed. I'm waiting for that rev. B to buy a new one. If it's not today, I hope that it's gonna be anytime soon.

Let's also hope that there will be a new display as well. Something with a similiar look of the G5.

pgwalsh

Feb 1, 2004, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
it's going to be fun to see how long this thread continues. :) :cool: The fun stopped a long time ago...

visor

Feb 1, 2004, 01:55 PM

I'm certain of it.

invaLPsion

Feb 1, 2004, 03:47 PM

If we see a dual 3GHz within the next week then NeatGecko will be right again. Here's to NeatGecko being right........ again! (I believe in you, NeatGecko!):D

Dont Hurt Me

Feb 1, 2004, 03:53 PM

Lets just face Neatgekko didnt have a clue to what he was talking about. Is it Feb 1st or is it my imagination.

pgwalsh

Feb 1, 2004, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Lets just face Neatgekko didnt have a clue to what he was talking about. Is it Feb 1st or is it my imagination. Dates change.... We'll see if the speeds are correct...

dvdmaster

Feb 1, 2004, 04:10 PM

I'm hoping for new PowerMacs next week, too. But let's face it. A march release is much more probable. IBM will need some time to deliver considerable quantities of the 970fx. And even if anything will be announced in february there is no way that they will be shipped anytime soon...

Hackcomic.com

Feb 1, 2004, 04:25 PM

The only way new ones would matter to me is if they added room for more drives. As far as speed bump- it would be great because then the 1.8 duals would come down in price- but I have given up on every rumor on this board. Single 1.8 here I come.

dvdmaster

Feb 1, 2004, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Hackcomic.com
The only way new ones would matter to me is if they added room for more drives. As far as speed bump- it would be great because then the 1.8 duals would come down in price- but I have given up on every rumor on this board. Single 1.8 here I come.

Well, I don't think they are going to change the case significantly. Why would they? It's a great design and it has proven that it is working. Never change a winning team...

GregA

Feb 1, 2004, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by dvdmaster
It's a great design and it has proven that it is working. Never change a winning team... Now that just scares me :)

What a way to have a slow death!

(ps. I do think it's probably early to change the design. But there is certainly room for some smaller cases if the chips change and cooling is easier.)

Golem

Feb 3, 2004, 01:49 AM

Bleh my evil plan is falling apart.

If they had upgraded G5's in January or at least their was a stong indication that their would be new hardware in February I could have done a swap at work where I got the new low end g5 and someone else got my 1.6. As it is we will be buying a couple of 1.6's and monitors to replace old 800mhz imacs and they will be the same old boxes that have been around for the last 6 months. After that I will have to wait for my machine to come up for renewal in another 12 months:(

dvdmaster

Feb 3, 2004, 03:20 AM

I bit the bullett and went out to my local Apple store and came back with a nice 2.0 DP. No more waiting for rumors. It's quiet a change after almost 20 years of PCs and I'm very happy with it! I won't throw away my good ol' PC though...;)

Frobozz

Feb 3, 2004, 09:06 AM

http://netscape.com.com/2100-1103_2-5152384.html

"A representative of the HyperTransport Consortium, a group supported by IBM, Advanced Micro Devices and other major tech companies, said the organization on Monday announced version 2.0 of the HyperTransport standard."

"The new version will be up to 75 percent faster than the original specification..."

It goes on to mention that Apple is, of course, a member of this consortium.

Well, it appears that our new PowerMacs will indeed maintain a 2:1 bus ratio, even at 3 GHz and above...

NeatGekko

Feb 7, 2004, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by pgwalsh
Dates change.... We'll see if the speeds are correct...

Thank you, its a VERY true statement indeed.

~Shard~

Feb 7, 2004, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by pgwalsh
Dates change.... We'll see if the speeds are correct...

Originally posted by NeatGekko

Thank you, its a VERY true statement indeed.

Nice try NeatGekko - since you seem to be posting again across multiple forums, I feel it necessary to remind everyone in this forum of NeatGekko''s track record. How do you explain these comments, NeatGekko?

3 GhZ G5's are coming before feb. Cheers
posted 1/7

or

3GHz G5's this month. Cheers
posted 1/7

or

I will be sending out my "I told you so's" tuesday morning.
posted 1/3

or

They will be at 3ghz FOR SURE by MWSF. THIS IS A FACT
posted 1/2

or

If I am wrong I will eat my right hand. Lets put it that way. One of those, "not sure I was supposed to know" situations...but I think since everyone knows mini ipods are coming...might as well let the...
posted 1/2

Since NONE of the above bold statements are true, and since everyone one here knows that, what makes you think you have any credibility in your statements anymore? How can anyone take your comments seriously anymore?

My thanks to Primalman for compiling this list

TranceClubMusic

Feb 7, 2004, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Nice try NeatGekko - since you seem to be posting again across multiple forums, I feel it necessary to remind everyone in this forum of NeatGekko''s track record. How do you explain these comments, NeatGekko?
What makes you think you have any credibility in your statements anymore? How can anyone take your comments seriously anymore?[/i]

WOW! Slam Dunk!

Can I say I told you so? lmfaooooooooooooo
I'm still holding on to the End of Febuary - Begining of March Statements I made (that everyone bashed me about in January) :cool: :D ;)

djbahdow01

Feb 7, 2004, 06:29 PM

Just wanted to let people know that there are no refurb moniters at the apple store online. With that there are only Dual 1.8 G5's in there as well, they don't even mention the other processors or any of the monitors, could there be an update shortly????

~Shard~

Feb 7, 2004, 06:51 PM

I already replied to you in the other thread where you posted this exact same statement, but to reiterate, many people have already beat you to it:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthr...;threadid=59357

And I'll also direct you to Arn's rule #4:

4) Do not post multiple messages with the same content. One post in the proper area is sufficient.

Just something to keep in mind in the future. :)

NeatGekko

Feb 8, 2004, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Nice try NeatGekko - since you seem to be posting again across multiple forums, I feel it necessary to remind everyone in this forum of NeatGekko''s track record. How do you explain these comments, NeatGekko?

or

or

or

or

Since NONE of the above bold statements are true, and since everyone one here knows that, what makes you think you have any credibility in your statements anymore? How can anyone take your comments seriously anymore?

My thanks to Primalman for compiling this list

Thanks for reading all the stuff I post. You only have to read it once. Get a life.

invaLPsion

Feb 8, 2004, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by NeatGekko
Thanks for reading all the stuff I post. You only have to read it once. Get a life.

I don't know why the Gekko slammers care so much. Maybe Gecko actually does have some kind of inside lead into Apple? If he does, he certainly can't tell us because if he is an Apple employee he would be fired and if he is a friend of one his friend would be fired for passing this information.

I believe that it makes sense for the nest update to be 3 GHz, but I do want to know more from NeatGekko as to the exact date or timeframe of his update. I am currently waiting for a powermac update and need all the information I can get.

NeatGekko was correct about the mini iPods, why not give him another chance with these upcoming updates? Get another release correct, Gekko, and nobody will dispute you unless they have nothing better to do.

~Shard~

Feb 8, 2004, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by NeatGekko
Thanks for reading all the stuff I post. You only have to read it once. Get a life.

Actually if you want to be telling someone to get a life, perhaps you should direct your comment to Primalman - I'm sure he would be happy to discuss things with you. If you actually read my post, you would have noticed at the bottom that I cited Primalman as the one who compiled the list, not me. I in fact do not have enough time to compile such a list, nor do I want to, but since Primalman took the liberty...

And thanks for actually commeting on the content of my post. The fact that you completely ignored the content of those comments, and opted instead to take a cheap shot and immaturely say, "Get a life", backs up what many people have been saying on this forum even more.

TranceClubMusic

Feb 8, 2004, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
And thanks for actually commeting on the content of my post. The fact that you completely ignored the content of those comments, and opted instead to take a cheap shot and immaturely say, "Get a life", backs up what many people have been saying on this forum even more.

Dito :D

invaLPsion

Feb 8, 2004, 11:24 AM

I say give NeatGekko another chance. Let him check his sources and make one more prediction about the new powermacs. If he's right, you look like asses, and if he's not, you guys will be warranted to make whatever comments and disses you want.

You must remember one thing about NeatGekko. He is still way more accurate than MacOSRumors.

~Shard~

Feb 8, 2004, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by invaLPsion
I say give NeatGekko another chance. Let him check his sources and make one more prediction about the new powermacs. If he's right, you look like asses, and if he's not, you guys will be warranted to make whatever comments and disses you want.

You must remember one thing about NeatGekko. He is still way more accurate than MacOSRumors.

But the fact is that he eventually WILL be right - 3 GHz machines will EVENTUALLY come out, but that doesn't make us asses, nor does it make NeatGekko an oracle. :cool:

It's one thing when a poster comes out and says, "I hope..." or "I think..." or "It would be cool if..." - these are innocent predictions, and are fine by me. If they are right or wrong, it doesn't matter. But when you go around claiming to know exactly what will happen, state it as FACT, and do this multiple times, none of which come true, what do you expect? NeatGekko has been doing this for a long time, and it's getting old and tired. As I said in an earlier post, I'll just start saying that I have direct information from Steve Jobs that G5 iMacs are coming out this Tuesday. It's a fact, and I'll eat my left ankle if it isn't true. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. And then when this Tuesday passes, then it'll turn into a guarantee for the next week, and then the next week, and so on and so on - and then when they do come out, I'll start telling everyone I was right. Geez, anyone can do that....

TranceClubMusic

Feb 8, 2004, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
But the fact is that he eventually WILL be right - 3 GHz machines will EVENTUALLY come out, but that doesn't make us asses, nor does it make NeatGekko an oracle. :cool:
It's a fact, and I'll eat my left ankle if it isn't true. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. And then when this Tuesday passes, then it'll turn into a guarantee for the next week, and then the next week, and so on and so on - and then when they do come out, I'll start telling everyone I was right. Geez, anyone can do that....

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D

pgwalsh

Feb 8, 2004, 12:08 PM

As I said before. Dates change. He was right about the iPod mini.

Maybe sales of the G5 were less than what was expected or perhaps there was a problem at the Fishkill plant. Who knows what the delay is or is it a delay at all?

If the next release is before the one year mark and it matches his predictions, then I'll give him some credit, not much. If he's 50% with the Mini's and the G5's that's not too shabby.

But I still expect to see him eat whatever it was he said he was going to eat... I want pictures.. .or better yet.. a video.

invaLPsion

Feb 8, 2004, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
But the fact is that he eventually WILL be right - 3 GHz machines will EVENTUALLY come out, but that doesn't make us asses, nor does it make NeatGekko an oracle. :cool:

It's one thing when a poster comes out and says, "I hope..." or "I think..." or "It would be cool if..." - these are innocent predictions, and are fine by me. If they are right or wrong, it doesn't matter. But when you go around claiming to know exactly what will happen, state it as FACT, and do this multiple times, none of which come true, what do you expect? NeatGekko has been doing this for a long time, and it's getting old and tired. As I said in an earlier post, I'll just start saying that I have direct information from Steve Jobs that G5 iMacs are coming out this Tuesday. It's a fact, and I'll eat my left ankle if it isn't true. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. And then when this Tuesday passes, then it'll turn into a guarantee for the next week, and then the next week, and so on and so on - and then when they do come out, I'll start telling everyone I was right. Geez, anyone can do that....

If you read my post completely I said to let him have one final, concrete prediction. For example, let him say "It's going to happen this day or this week." If he's wrong, he loses what left he has of his credibility, if he's right, then you guys better start the ass kissing.:D

~Shard~

Feb 8, 2004, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by invaLPsion
If you read my post completely I said to let him have one final, concrete prediction. For example, let him say "It's going to happen this day or this week." If he's wrong, he loses what left he has of his credibility, if he's right, then you guys better start the ass kissing.:D

Fair enough then invaLPsion - I'll await yet another prediction, and see what the results are, yet I still stand by my above statement. Giving him one more chance is fine, but you have to realize this is technically his "7th chance" or so at this point. You're a very generous person. ;)

the future

Feb 8, 2004, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
But the fact is that he eventually WILL be right - 3 GHz machines will EVENTUALLY come out, but that doesn't make us asses, nor does it make NeatGekko an oracle.

I'm sorry , but Gekko is the *ONLY* person/source I know of predicting that 3 GHz G5s will come with the *NEXT* revision (and not the one after that). So *IF* they do come out in a matter of weeks, it *WILL* make you look bad and Gekko good. Simple. Not that I necessarily believe that will happen...

invaLPsion

Feb 8, 2004, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Fair enough then invaLPsion - I'll await yet another prediction, and see what the results are, yet I still stand by my above statement. Giving him one more chance is fine, but you have to realize this is technically his "7th chance" or so at this point. You're a very generous person. ;)

Thanks:D

NeatGekko, That's your go-ahead. Give us a prediction! We want a week time frame or if you feel really ambitious an exact date. (I'm rootin' for ya)

TranceClubMusic

Feb 8, 2004, 01:23 PM

Who is NeatGekko anyways?
:confused:

john123

Feb 8, 2004, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by pgwalsh
As I said before. Dates change. He was right about the iPod mini.

***EVERYONE*** who kept up moderately with the rumormill knew pretty much for sure that the mini iPod was the main announcement at MWSF about a month in advance -- some people, more.

That was the easiest "prediction" in a long time.

john123

Feb 8, 2004, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by the future
I'm sorry , but Gekko is the *ONLY* person/source I know of predicting that 3 GHz G5s will come with the *NEXT* revision (and not the one after that).

Hmm, no, I've heard this theory increasingly espoused as time as gone on. You should expect this theory to only grow in its following, too, as the time between "now" (which changes) and summer will increasingly shrink, making it less likely to see 2 PowerMac revisions within that time period.

Downdivx

Feb 8, 2004, 04:21 PM

I'm not sure we'll see a powermac revision before 3Ghz anyways. Powermacs are still selling well and we're now too close to the promised 3Ghz mark. There isn't much of a reason to release a stepping stone to 3Ghz when Steve has promised 3Ghz this summer. I think we'll just jump directly to 3Ghz closer to this summer.

~Shard~

Feb 8, 2004, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by the future
I'm sorry , but Gekko is the *ONLY* person/source I know of predicting that 3 GHz G5s will come with the *NEXT* revision (and not the one after that). So *IF* they do come out in a matter of weeks, it *WILL* make you look bad and Gekko good. Simple. Not that I necessarily believe that will happen...

I disagree - there are plenty of people on these forums who are now saying, more and more, that 3 GHz might be the next logical speed bump. After all, if Jobs wants to hold himself to his "3 GHz by summer '04" pledge, I'm not sure if 2 steps make as much sense the more that time passes. Having said that, I would be surprised to see 3 GHz included in the next update, but if it does indeed occur, as I stated above, that does NOT make Neatgekko an oracle. He would have been an oracle if his initial "3 GHz @ MWSF" statement were true. Ergo, a 3 GHz speed bump will NOT make us look bad, and will NOT make NeatGekko look good.

I could go on, but taking advice from your sig, I won't say anymore. ;) :cool:

invaLPsion

Feb 8, 2004, 09:10 PM

I just got PMed from Gekko with his current information and how he obtains his information. What he told me seems 100% credible and he provided lots of detail. I will not release what he told me unless he wants me to, however. But I will say that he did give me a timeframe of the 3Ghz updates which makes sense to me.

TranceClubMusic

Feb 8, 2004, 09:13 PM

Bilba

Feb 8, 2004, 09:14 PM

at least can you give us the time frame?

TranceClubMusic

Feb 8, 2004, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Bilba
at least can you give us the time frame?

Next Tuesday - If not - then Next Tuesday After.....etc:rolleyes:

Bilba

Feb 8, 2004, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Next Tuesday - If not - then Next Tuesday After.....etc:rolleyes:

ahhh... This is the part everyone laugh about the sarcasam.

Sorry but I am not in the mod for oracle jokes. Give me the ********** updates/dates/info!

ffakr

Feb 8, 2004, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by invaLPsion
I just got PMed from Gekko with his current information and how he obtains his information. What he told me seems 100% credible and he provided lots of detail. I will not release what he told me unless he wants me to, however. But I will say that he did give me a timeframe of the 3Ghz updates which makes sense to me.
I'm not implying anything here but.. Do any of the list moderators have access to source IP logs? I'd be interested, purely for random curiosity.. to compare invaLPsion's ip[s] with NetGekko's.
It just occured to me that there is only one person sticking up for Gekko.. and that person has switched to pushing Gekko's story now.

Eric Battle

Feb 8, 2004, 10:26 PM

All you doubters are pathetic. If we see 3 Ghz machines ANYTIME THIS MONTH, Neatgekko will be the NEW thats right NEW source for inside info. And the funny thing is all you HATERS will be the same ones emailing him about whats next at Apple. I say this because Jobs predicted 3GHZ by summer. NOBODY but Neatgekko predicts earlier. That's a HUGE prediction considering everyone speculated about MAX 2.6 machines. So, in my opinion, if we see 3GHz machines in the next coming weeks all you HATERS will be eating crow and then emailing him about what's next for the summer. I believe you Neatgekko. No doubts whatsoever. Just makes sense to me. Period.

Eric Battle

Rower_CPU

Feb 8, 2004, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by ffakr
I'm not implying anything here but.. Do any of the list moderators have access to source IP logs? I'd be interested, purely for random curiosity.. to compare invaLPsion's ip[s] with NetGekko's.
It just occured to me that there is only one person sticking up for Gekko.. and that person has switched to pushing Gekko's story now.

They do not appear to be posting from the same location.

ffakr

Feb 8, 2004, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Eric Battle
And the funny thing is all you HATERS will be the same ones emailing him about whats next at Apple. I say this because Jobs predicted 3GHZ by summer. NOBODY but Neatgekko predicts earlier. Eric Battle

If Apple pushes these updates back any further, they will come out at 3GHz... though I don't suppose anyone would find it odd that Apple would ship 3GHz desktops before they shipped the 2GHz xServe cluster nodes that they already announced. Hmnn..

Irregardless, no one is doubting netgekko.. it's quite clear that he has been wrong 6 times already. I think "Doubt" would indicate that there was still some question regarding netgekko's predictions. It's quite clear that he/she is saying a lot but not saying anything.

If Apple does ship a 3GHz desktop in 2, 3, 4 weeks, that doesn't mean anything in regard to NetGekko's credibilty. Anyone can make an off the cuff prediction and just repeat it until it comes true. Let me make two predictions myself to illustrate my great inside information.
1) The Pope will die next week. (or the week after, or the week after, or the week after)
2) Apple will move the iMac line to the G5 next week (or the week after, or the week after..) I'll even say that it will be introduced at 2GHz.

I'm pretty certain that both could very well happen in the relatively near future but I don't work for Apple and I don't work in the Vatican. By the logic being espoused in this thread.. if the Pope died in 3 months, everyone would be like 'oh crap, Ffakr knew the pope was going to die! He must be a Cardinal or something'.

The crux of the argument for Gekko is that NetGekko will be vindicated by the specific claim that the next rev will be 3 GHz. This completely misses the fact that NetGekko's statemtents were very specific on two points.. speed and time frame. He has been wrong time and time again on timeframe.. so irregardless of the release speed of the next bump, it can only be viewed as coincidence at this point.

Don't worry, I won't bothering NetGekko for tips if Apple releases a 3GHz G5 next week, or the week after, or in the Summer.

john123

Feb 8, 2004, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by Eric Battle
All you doubters are pathetic. If we see 3 Ghz machines ANYTIME THIS MONTH, Neatgekko will be the NEW thats right NEW source for inside info. And the funny thing is all you HATERS will be the same ones emailing him about whats next at Apple. I say this because Jobs predicted 3GHZ by summer. NOBODY but Neatgekko predicts earlier. That's a HUGE prediction considering everyone speculated about MAX 2.6 machines. So, in my opinion, if we see 3GHz machines in the next coming weeks all you HATERS will be eating crow and then emailing him about what's next for the summer. I believe you Neatgekko. No doubts whatsoever. Just makes sense to me. Period.

Eric Battle

I predict them earlier than "summer" too.

Now, if they come, I claim Oracle Status as well!

(This is so retarded...)

Duff-Man

Feb 8, 2004, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by john123
(This is so retarded...) Duff-Man says.....you got that right...it has gotten so out of hand, now it's "cloak and dagger" PM's to another who won't say what neatgekko claims now...either cough up the so-called "info" and show us you are right, or butt the heck out....oh yeah!

~Shard~

Feb 8, 2004, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Eric Battle
All you doubters are pathetic.

To whom exactly are you referring? I don't think anyone here is a doubter, I think it is a simple fact that NeatGekko has stated that the 3 GHz G5s would be out at certain times and he was wrong - multiple times. It's not a question of doubt, it's a question of fact. NeatGekko has repeatedly made claims, saying he knew exactly what would happen, and he has been wrong. It's fact. This has nothing to do with doubt.

Originally posted by Eric Battle
If we see 3 Ghz machines ANYTIME THIS MONTH, Neatgekko will be the NEW thats right NEW source for inside info. And the funny thing is all you HATERS will be the same ones emailing him about whats next at Apple.

And why is that? Because he said there would be 3 GHz machines? Your comment is completely illogical. Anyone can make a statement like that and eventually be right.

Okay Eric, here's one for you: I, Shard, state, as a fact, that G5 iMacs will be released on Tuesday. Yep, it's a FACT. Oh, and don't worry, because if they don't come out on Tuesday, I'll just change my statement and say next Tuesday. And then the following Tuesday. And then "the week of", etc. etc. And eventually, when I'm right, you can start PMing me or e-mailing me for more "insider info" since I was obviously right. Sound good?

Originally posted by Eric Battle
I say this because Jobs predicted 3GHZ by summer. NOBODY but Neatgekko predicts earlier. That's a HUGE prediction considering everyone speculated about MAX 2.6 machines.

You really need to read these forums more often. There are more and more people speculating that the next speed bump may in fact be up to 3 GHz, due to the length of time it's been since updates, and the fact that Jobs said there would be 3 GHz in the summer - the timing involved in 2 speed bumps (a 2.6 and then a 3, let's say) is becoming more and more unlikely due to the short period of time that would be involved. So when you say "NOBODY but NeatGekko predicts earlier" you are completely wrong. Just stating the facts and nothing else.

the future

Feb 9, 2004, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by Eric Battle
All you doubters are pathetic. If we see 3 Ghz machines ANYTIME THIS MONTH, Neatgekko will be the NEW thats right NEW source for inside info. And the funny thing is all you HATERS will be the same ones emailing him about whats next at Apple. I say this because Jobs predicted 3GHZ by summer. NOBODY but Neatgekko predicts earlier. That's a HUGE prediction considering everyone speculated about MAX 2.6 machines. So, in my opinion, if we see 3GHz machines in the next coming weeks all you HATERS will be eating crow and then emailing him about what's next for the summer. I believe you Neatgekko. No doubts whatsoever. Just makes sense to me. Period.

Eric Battle

This is exactly what I was trying to say. But logic apparently doesn't mean much to those flaming Gekko. I personally have no idea if Gekko knows anything at all about the next G5 release, but, as you said, if 3GHz G5s are released within weeks (= way way way earlier than expected/announced by Jobs), Gekko will be right and the flamers will be wrong. Not that they would ever concede this...

ionas

Feb 9, 2004, 07:20 AM

not only neatgekko but you all should get a life ;p

neatgekko wasn't a reliable source in the past. we all know that, if that changes, it changes, if not, then not. nothing that really matters in any way.

the timeframe shrinks but just to remind you about last year, the g5 was announced in mid summer and shipped in late autumn to winter.

steven can say so much things, and he can do very good marketing but still he can just SAY things, and in fact they can be different later on.

so as long as we do not see any trustable new information there might be new bumps below 3ghz as well as 3ghz in mid summer or 3ghz just right b4 x-mas.

i ll just wait, as long as my winblow machine runs and does not kick my ass around again (like so many times in the past) i do not have a real need to buy it now or later - further i just want rev. b.

so its not up to me but up to apple when i buy :-)

~Shard~

Feb 9, 2004, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by the future
But logic apparently doesn't mean much to those flaming Gekko.

Logic doesn't mean much? Really? Funny, logic is all that quite a few of these posts have been based on, so you couldn't be further from being correct. You want logic, okay, here ya go:

3 GhZ G5's are coming before feb. Cheers
posted 1/7

3GHz G5's this month. Cheers
posted 1/7

I will be sending out my "I told you so's" tuesday morning.
posted 1/3

They will be at 3ghz FOR SURE by MWSF. THIS IS A FACT
posted 1/2

If I am wrong I will eat my right hand. Lets put it that way. One of those, "not sure I was supposed to know" situations...but I think since everyone knows mini ipods are coming...might as well let the...
posted 1/2

5 statements, all made my NeatGekko, all incorrect, yet stated as fact at the time. And there are more. LOGIC, as you refer to, is recognizing that NeatGekko has been completely wrong on all of the above predictions, and people have simply been pointing this out.

Originally posted by the future
if 3GHz G5s are released within weeks (= way way way earlier than expected/announced by Jobs), Gekko will be right and the flamers will be wrong. Not that they would ever concede this...

If the 3 GHz is released, and even if you want to go out on a limb and give NeatGekko credit for it, then that will be one correct "prediction" and at least 5 incorrect ones, as stated above. Let's make it 6 or 7 for good measure. Hmm, 1-6 - yah, that's a good track record. :rolleyes:

You do realize that statistically, even someone not trying to hit the bullseye will eventually do it, given enough time?

Please read my above post in reply to Mr. Battle's comments on the whole "Gekko being right, everyone else being wrong" idea, and my example involving G5 iMacs, as I don't feel like repeating myself yet again... This whole debate is getting tiresome...

the future

Feb 9, 2004, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
(...) 5 statements, all made my NeatGekko, all incorrect, yet stated as fact at the time. (...) If the 3 GHz is released, and even if you want to go out on a limb and give NeatGekko credit for it, then that will be one correct "prediction" and at least 5 incorrect ones, as stated above. Let's make it 6 or 7 for good measure. Hmm, 1-6 - yah, that's a good track record.

Those are not 5 examples, that is 1 example repeated 5 times over. Yeah, Gekko was wrong with the dates he predicted, but dates may change inside of Apple without him or his alleged sources knowing anything about it. Again, if 3GHz G5s come out, say, in February, I will give Gekko and his source credit for predicting something no-one else predicted. (Just as the 249 $ pricetag on the iPod mini :) ). And you should do the same.

Eric Battle

Feb 9, 2004, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by the future
Those are not 5 examples, that is 1 example repeated 5 times over. Yeah, Gekko was wrong with the dates he predicted, but dates may change inside of Apple without him or his alleged sources knowing anything about it. Again, if 3GHz G5s come out, say, in February, I will give Gekko and his source credit for predicting something no-one else predicted. (Just as the 249 $ pricetag on the iPod mini :) ). And you should do the same.

THANK YOU!! Somebody that understands what I'm saying. In response to those who responded to me... BOTTOM LINE if we see G5' 3ghz in FEB He was right- PERIOD! Why? Cause YOU (all of you who are flaming Neatgekko) Didn't predict ANYTHING! You say that he's 1-6? You've predicted nothing! Correct me if I'm wrong. You provided NO info AT ALL! Nothing about Mini-ipods- no prices nothing. Sure, speculation but not prediction. Look, if neatgekko is a fraud or liar or whatever, then I'll be the first to admit- I was duped. But if he's right will you admit it? Probablly not. And if anyone's wondering who this post is specifically directed at- its all of you who flamed Neatgekko. Word UP!

Eric Battle

Bilba

Feb 9, 2004, 10:02 AM

I am sorry, maybe I am missing something, but what is the latest so called prediction?

Is it that 3.0 G5 will be available in Feb? in March? or is it just that the next G5 will be 3.0 (with no given timeframe).

john123

Feb 9, 2004, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by the future
Those are not 5 examples, that is 1 example repeated 5 times over. Yeah, Gekko was wrong with the dates he predicted, but dates may change inside of Apple without him or his alleged sources knowing anything about it. Again, if 3GHz G5s come out, say, in February, I will give Gekko and his source credit for predicting something no-one else predicted. (Just as the 249 $ pricetag on the iPod mini :) ). And you should do the same.

This is ridiculous. Think about what you're saying -- that the dates don't matter because he doesn't know them.

Fine -- then what you are really saying is that HIS PREDICTION IS THAT THE POWER MACS WILL BE BOLSTERED FROM 2 GHZ TO 3 GHZ MODELS WITHOUT ANY INTERMEDIATE REVISION.

That is not that bold of a prediction. People have been speculating for some time -- indeed, since the introduction of the Power Mac G5s -- that there might not be an intermediate model. If that is the case, it's hardly cause for celebration of NeatGekko's soothsaying abilities.

More to the point, even if the dates do "change inside Apple," as you assert, it's irresponsible of the guy to post EMPHATIC messages GUARANTEEING the arrival of new machines at particular points in time without more concrete information. Sadly, people look to these forums for sales advice and counsel, and acne-ridden teenagers with magic 8 balls have a nasty habit of ruining things for everyone.

john123

Feb 9, 2004, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Eric Battle
THANK YOU!! Somebody that understands what I'm saying. In response to those who responded to me... BOTTOM LINE if we see G5' 3ghz in FEB He was right- PERIOD! Why? Cause YOU (all of you who are flaming Neatgekko) Didn't predict ANYTHING! You say that he's 1-6? You've predicted nothing! Correct me if I'm wrong. You provided NO info AT ALL! Nothing about Mini-ipods- no prices nothing. Sure, speculation but not prediction. Look, if neatgekko is a fraud or liar or whatever, then I'll be the first to admit- I was duped. But if he's right will you admit it? Probablly not. And if anyone's wondering who this post is specifically directed at- its all of you who flamed Neatgekko. Word UP!

Eric Battle

Dude, I want some of what you're smoking.

Do a search for iPods on these forums. You'll find predictions dating at least back to December (HEAVY discussion of mini iPods then).

And you yourself just confused the difference between "speculation" and "prediction." 1-out-of-6 is pretty crappy for predictions...and therefore is better classified as "speculation."

The difference between NeatGekko and others on this board -- and the reason why the guy burns up the butts of many -- is that he SPECULATES but proclaims stuff as FACT. If you have a hunch, based on common sense or intuition or whatever, call it so. But since the guy is 1-and-6, that pretty clearly indicates that's all it is: a speculation.

Speculation is sometimes successful. Just as was the case in the gold rush, some people struck rich. That's the nature of the laws of probability -- it's gonna happen. That some of them struck it rich was not always because they had inside information regarding where to find the gold.

Same principle applies here.

Bilba

Feb 9, 2004, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by john123

Fine -- then what you are really saying is that HIS PREDICTION IS THAT THE POWER MACS WILL BE BOLSTERED FROM 2 GHZ TO 3 GHZ MODELS WITHOUT ANY INTERMEDIATE REVISION.

More to the point, even if the dates do "change inside Apple," as you assert, it's irresponsible of the guy to post EMPHATIC messages GUARANTEEING the arrival of new machines at particular points in time without more concrete information. Sadly, people look to these forums for sales advice and counsel, and acne-ridden teenagers with magic 8 balls have a nasty habit of ruining things for everyone.

I agree 100%.
Reducing predictions to model rather than time frame is not much of a prediction. esp. when such predictions have been made in the past by others. It just seems wierd that at one point he stated with bold captial latters specific date, and now he settles for model speculations.

Me saying that the next pbook will be a G5 has some probability to be correct. It does not mean that I have inside information. On the other hand, me stating that Apple will anounce a 1.6/1.8/2.0 G5 powerbook tomorrow, is far less likely, given the fact that it is far less likely to be correct. Such a statement based on speculation will only portary me as an ass.

invaLPsion

Feb 9, 2004, 11:22 AM

This is what NeatGekko told me in a PM:

"Here's the deal on the powermac release dates. Back in October, Apple was ready to ship 2.6ghz as the high end, but opted to adjust the lower models instead and wait until the bump to 3ghz. 3ghz were NOT going to be released at mwsf as I stated...I fused the info about the pods with the ones about the macs. Sorry about that. They WERE however planned to be release on the 24th on Jan. Problems came up with the price issue. Apple will be extending the line to 4 models....so there issues with non-apple retailers. Other than that, I do not know...I am hopeful that on the tuesday meeting they will give the go ahead. But I've been hoping that every week. I do know for sure that they will be released this month.

3ghz will be the top of the line with 3 models behind it. It will be more expenisive then the current top of the line...so save a little extra if you want it. Other than that, the prices should stay the same. (Since thats whats been causing problems.)"

NeatGekko also told me about his sources but I will not disclose them as he probably wouldn't want me to. I can tell you that his source sounds very credible.

After reading this I hope you guys won't go all ballistic and maybe actually will become a bit more understanding as to the situation, give Gekko a break...:rolleyes:

P.S. I am have no idea who NeatGekko really is or where he lives, so I can assure you that he and I are not one in the same.

Bilba

Feb 9, 2004, 11:47 AM

This gives us something to work with.
Not only is he forcasting the introduction of a 3.0 machine, he is stating that it will happen this mounth, AND that thare are going to be 4 models.

If this comes true, it goes beyond speculation.

Time will tell, chance #1 is soon enough.

john123

Feb 9, 2004, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Bilba
This gives us something to work with.
Not only is he forcasting the introduction of a 3.0 machine, he is stating that it will happen this mounth, AND that thare are going to be 4 models.

If this comes true, it goes beyond speculation.

Time will tell, chance #1 is soon enough.

Agreed.

It sounds a little hokey to me that 2.6Ghz models were ready to ship "in October" but didn't for the reasons provided. But that's a non-falsifiable hypothesis (absent someone posting some really cool documents), so we'll ignore that for the moment.

So we have several concrete pieces of "information":
* 4 models
* Prices on existing models remain the same
* New 4th model (3Ghz model) more expensive
* Introduced this month

So yes, time will tell.

As I and others mentioned before, the irksome part is when one forecasts something -- be it a product or a timetable -- and says that the proclamation is an "absolute certainty" when, in reality, it's not.

Incidentally, nailing one or two of the above items and missing the other ones shouldn't necessarily lend credence to NeatGekko's credibility. Constantly explaining away things when you're wrong by saying, "Oh, they changed their minds" only can go so far. In my opinion, if more than one of the items above is incorrect, then the prediction was pretty worthless.

Duff-Man

Feb 9, 2004, 11:59 AM

Duff-Man says....while I certainly would like to purchase a new dual 3GHz G5 this month, I find it a bit odd to say that 2.6 was ready in October when Apple was barely just shipping the 2 GHz G5's.....oh yeah!

the future

Feb 9, 2004, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by john123
This is ridiculous. Think about what you're saying -- that the dates don't matter because he doesn't know them.

Fine -- then what you are really saying is that HIS PREDICTION IS THAT THE POWER MACS WILL BE BOLSTERED FROM 2 GHZ TO 3 GHZ MODELS WITHOUT ANY INTERMEDIATE REVISION.

That is not that bold of a prediction. People have been speculating for some time -- indeed, since the introduction of the Power Mac G5s -- that there might not be an intermediate model. If that is the case, it's hardly cause for celebration of NeatGekko's soothsaying abilities.

More to the point, even if the dates do "change inside Apple," as you assert, it's irresponsible of the guy to post EMPHATIC messages GUARANTEEING the arrival of new machines at particular points in time without more concrete information. Sadly, people look to these forums for sales advice and counsel, and acne-ridden teenagers with magic 8 balls have a nasty habit of ruining things for everyone.

Dude, is it really so hard to understand the difference between "3 GHz G5s are coming very very soon" (as Gekko and no-one else claims) and "There will be no intermediate revision before 3 GHz G5s will come in late summer" (as others speculate)??

What is *really* ridiculous, though, is to say that a poster on a freakin' rumors site has any kind of responsibility for the truthfulness of his posts. If you base your buying decision on something like this, you don't seem to understand the very nature of rumor sites.

djbahdow01

Feb 9, 2004, 12:41 PM

Yes it would be nice to have a 3.0 GHz G5, but think of all the other upgrades they could be doing to the G5, increasing hard drive space, as the ne 90nm process is a lot smaller and puts off a lot less heat so we've been told. Also Pioneer has come out with an internal 8x DVD-R writer. If you look at the G5 system profile they are running pioneer drives. I saw it the other day when i went to the Apple store in Aventura, yes it was only a 4x drive but they might upgrade, why not increases productivity. And i am also looking for the new ATI 9800 256mb card as a BTO.
Once again these are the things that would be nice but who knows what the Apple insiders have in mind, i know i have no clue but these things would be nice.

john123

Feb 9, 2004, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by the future
Dude, is it really so hard to understand the difference between "3 GHz G5s are coming very very soon" (as Gekko and no-one else claims) and "There will be no intermediate revision before 3 GHz G5s will come in late summer" (as others speculate)??

What is *really* ridiculous, though, is to say that a poster on a freakin' rumors site has any kind of responsibility for the truthfulness of his posts. If you base your buying decision on something like this, you don't seem to understand the very nature of rumor sites.

"Dude," other people have speculated for some time now that we will see 3Ghz machines before summer. The problem is that the guy predicted that they'd appear at MWSF. You're right -- very few people predicted that. And those that did -- NeatGekko included -- were wrong.

Now we were told that 3Ghz would be hit by this summer. It's not even a stretch to take what Jobs said and posit that machines might be introduced in the spring (i.e., in the coming weeks) with a long wait for delivery.

More to the point, as each day and each week passes, it becomes more likely for a 3Ghz announcement anyway. It's like the light bulb in a Poisson distribution (if you don't know what that is, don't bother). Additionally, a little common sense should tell you that if Jobs told people 3Ghz machines would arrive by summer, that guarantee means that as summer approaches, savvy buyers will be increasingly inclined to delay their purchases, counting on the fact that their delay will translate into getting more bang for the buck. Therefore, as a result, Jobs & company have every incentive to accelerate the announced timetable so as to avoid a precipitous decline in sales caused by nothing more than consumer expectations.

If 3Ghz machines had come out last month like the guy predicted, I'd give him some props. If they come out this month, he saves some face although is my no means an infallible oracle. Any time after that and we're just talking about some pretty predictable economic behavior -- nothing groundbreaking really.

Oh, and as for your snotty comment about basing buying decisions on rumor sites: I'm going to assume that the "you" term you used wasn't directed at me...because if it was, it suggests you can't read, since I clearly stated that some people read rumor sites for buying information but didn't say that I did. In any event, rumor sites can provide you with invaluable assistance on buying. Common sense can go a long way toward telling you what the future holds, and sometimes ideas will come to some people that might not come to others. That's the nature of an interactive community -- the sharing of ideas. Furthermore, there are some rumor sites with pretty good track records (ThinkSecret comes to mind) that can and, in my opinion, should influence buying decisions.

the future

Feb 9, 2004, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by john123
"Dude," other people have speculated for some time now that we will see 3Ghz machines before summer.

Yeah? Who?

Originally posted by john123
It's not even a stretch to take what Jobs said and posit that machines might be introduced in the spring (i.e., in the coming weeks) with a long wait for delivery.

Gekko didn't say anything about a wait for delivery, quite the opposite.

Originally posted by john123
More to the point, as each day and each week passes, it becomes more likely for a 3Ghz announcement anyway.

You make it sound like summer is right around the corner. Time to look for my sunglasses, then...

Originally posted by john123
Additionally, a little common sense should tell you that if Jobs told people 3Ghz machines would arrive by summer, that guarantee means that as summer approaches, savvy buyers will be increasingly inclined to delay their purchases, counting on the fact that their delay will translate into getting more bang for the buck. Therefore, as a result, Jobs & company have every incentive to accelerate the announced timetable so as to avoid a precipitous decline in sales caused by nothing more than consumer expectations.

Following this "logic", every product would come out before the date it was originally announced to come out. You're wrong.

Originally posted by john123
If 3Ghz machines had come out last month like the guy predicted, I'd give him some props. If they come out this month, he saves some face although is my no means an infallible oracle.

Nobody claims Gekko is infallible or an oracle (or both). I made quite clear that I personally doubt we will see 3 GHz G5s very soon.

Originally posted by john123
Oh, and as for your snotty comment about basing buying decisions on rumor sites

Let's leave it to the community to judge who appears "snotty" in this discussion, shall we?

Originally posted by john123
In any event, rumor sites can provide you with invaluable assistance on buying. Furthermore, there are some rumor sites with pretty good track records (ThinkSecret comes to mind) that can and, in my opinion, should influence buying decisions.

That's true, but it really really really (I mean: REALLY) doesn't make any sense to compare Gekko to ThinkSecret.

Peace, brother. All we really want are faster G5s ASAP, right? So let's keep our collective fingers crossed and enjoy some friendly conversation in the interim.

numediaman

Feb 9, 2004, 02:58 PM

Since Apple has not released any processor updates to the G5 since their introduction (other than making the 1.8 a Dual), it is fair to say that anybody that has predicted a revision to occur at any time from December to the present has been wrong -- Gekko included.

But, you know what, who cares? A prediction is not a rumor. I've predicted that the new G5s will appear in March. What do I base this on? Pure speculation, based on the new 10.3.3 seed. But I have no reliable source, so take it or leave it.

Based on Gekko's past predictions, it doesn't look like he has a reliable source either. But if want to believe, go ahead.

In the meantime, I'd love to hear from someone who, in fact, does have a source.

invaLPsion

Feb 9, 2004, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by numediaman
Since Apple has not released any processor updates to the G5 since their introduction (other than making the 1.8 a Dual), it is fair to say that anybody that has predicted a revision to occur at any time from December to the present has been wrong -- Gekko included.

But, you know what, who cares? A prediction is not a rumor. I've predicted that the new G5s will appear in March. What do I base this on? Pure speculation, based on the new 10.3.3 seed. But I have no reliable source, so take it or leave it.

Based on Gekko's past predictions, it doesn't look like he has a reliable source either. But if want to believe, go ahead.

In the meantime, I'd love to hear from someone who, in fact, does have a source.

Gekko does have a source, he told me who it is and I think he's telling the truth.

pgwalsh

Feb 9, 2004, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by invaLPsion
Gekko does have a source, he told me who it is and I think he's telling the truth. You can say that a million times and no one will believe you. Only if you reveal the source, but you can't and shouldn't. The only way to actually make it seem ture is if you're right about 75% of the time. If you're right 100% of the time then people will freak, but you're source will probably be caught.

Dont Hurt Me

Feb 9, 2004, 03:59 PM

A true prophet isnt a hit and miss proposition. they are 100% correct.

john123

Feb 9, 2004, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by the future
Quotes of quotes of quotes are very annoying and hard to read, so I'll simply refer to sections in your post with a tagline:

Speculation on pre-summer 3Ghz G5s: contained in the original threads regarding the announcements of G5s at MWNY last summer, when the promise of 3Ghz within a year was made.
Wait for delivery issue: I didn't say that he did say anything about waiting for delivery. If you'd actually read my post, you'd have realized there was an argument embeded within it -- specifically, that common sense can take you reverse chronologically back in time, from this coming summer backwards...and that by some number of days in the future t (i.e., a date this summer) there will be 3Ghz G5s -- with 100% certainty (assuming no production snaffus). That means at time t-1 there is some lesser probability that 3Ghz G5s will exist at that time, and so on and so forth with each t-i up until i equals t, at which point the probability goes to zero. Get it?
Summer around the corner: again, reading would help you. Will machines ship immediately? Maybe, but I doubt it. So your time t, as explained above, needs to factor this in. If the wait time is 6-8 weeks, then an announcement of 3Ghz G5s at the end of March would basically be only mildly accelerated with respect to an optimistic interpretation of the Jobs Timetable. Get it?
Logic/common sense: you'd do yourself well to take a class in logic. It is extremely rare for Apple to comment on future product announcements. That Jobs made a promise that G5s would hit 3Ghz within a year opens a unique buyers' quandary that is not typically present for Apple buyers: namely, that there is certainty, absent any countervailing indicators, that 3Ghz G5s will appear by "this summer." And so, as we approach the "summer," one can expect sales to slow. This is, in fact, what almost always happens both when Apple products become dated and when new products are increasingly rumored. Only this time, a large fraction of the usual speculation is removed from the process. If you ever took a class in economics, you know that information is a critical determinant in decisionmaking with respect to an individual, as it interacts critically with his/her risk aversion. The same principle applies here.
Snotty: I won't even dignify this with a response.
Gekko vs ThinkSecret: of course there is no comparison. But as I explained in my last post, there are many "newbies" and others who look here, correctly or not, for buying advice. People who post to these boards at least owe those folks the courtesy of identifying when they have real information and when they are engaging in idle speculation.

~Shard~

Feb 9, 2004, 09:48 PM

Geez, I go to work for 9 hours and look at all the posts I have to catch up on! ;)

Let me summarize some points from reading all these posts - I'm not going to waste time replying in detail to everyone, since I have made my position known on this whole "NeatGekko thing"...

Originally posted by the future

Those are not 5 examples, that is 1 example repeated 5 times over.

If you read my post I said "5 statements", not "5 examples". I know they're not 5 examples. Please don't misquote me. Thank you.

Originally posted by Eric Battle

You provided NO info AT ALL! Nothing about Mini-ipods- no prices nothing.

Here's a homework assignment for you - read through the myriad of iPods posts and threads throughout MacRumors - mini-iPods were being discussed back in December in quite a lot of detail.

Originally posted by john123

The difference between NeatGekko and others on this board -- and the reason why the guy burns up the butts of many -- is that he SPECULATES but proclaims stuff as FACT. If you have a hunch, based on common sense or intuition or whatever, call it so. But since the guy is 1-and-6, that pretty clearly indicates that's all it is: a speculation.

Exactly - this has been my point all along. It's the principle of the thing - I have no problems with people making predictions. But there is a difference between speculating, predicting, whatever you want to call it, and proclaiming something as FACT. Over and over. And being wrong.

Originally posted by john123

So we have several concrete pieces of "information":
* 4 models
* Prices on existing models remain the same
* New 4th model (3Ghz model) more expensive
* Introduced this month

Agreed. I will honestly be interested to see what happens, and will so with an open mind thanks to these facts. Now time will tell. (Yet again - just like the 3 GHz by MWSF, 3 GHz by Feb., etc. ad nauseum...)

Kay, I'm done. For now. ;) :cool:

a17inchFuture

Feb 9, 2004, 10:35 PM

I think apple should come out with new powerbooks before they come out with new towers. Wait a few more months and if the tecnology has evoled even further, put the even newest and best configuration of towers out on the market then,m but give the new versions some tiem to breath on the market.

Give your products some time before you make them less-than-best. When a new line comes out, it compeltely makes the old lines sales drop. The product virtually becomes obsolete. G5's have been updated twice in the last quarter (basically), and I think that the powerbooks, while also updated somewhat recently (september, although 5 months is hardly recent), are still lagging behind others computer companies (or so other posts on this and other rumor sites have lead me to believe).

They should release the absolute most-refined version of the G4 powerbook and sell it as the most-up-to-date-in-every-department, but the G5 processor. If they are forced make people wait for heat/size issues resulting from the G5, and it is going to be an obvious hole in their sales line, they should address that immediately and show that it can't be beat in any other way, but the obvious. Update everything but the processor, and everyone will wait happily for its inevitable arrival.

Whatever it be, I think powerbooks deserve more attention at the moment. Wireless is everywhere, and portable is most certainly the wave of the future. I know apple is the cutting edge, and they know it too. Not just in technology but in providing just what the consumer wants.

Please, Apple, give us new Powerbooks . . . . .

aswitcher

Feb 10, 2004, 12:10 AM

Hey after this last prediction something occured to me - where was the promise to gnaw off a body part - but then I realised that some Geckos can regenerate their limbs (at least their tails) so this is no real promise anyway :p

Well 18 days to go...

wizard

Feb 10, 2004, 12:40 AM

I'm not about to support the gecko character as it has been awhile since I've logged on and frankly haven't read back that far to know whats been up lately.
What I will say is that it does appear that everything is in place for a rather large increase in performance for many of the Mac lines. The hand writing is on the web so to speak and most of that involves the rather good figures Apple and IBM have posted with regards to the 90nm generation ofthe 970. That and the continued delays of the XServer, that was obviously designed to support much hotter chips than what are in it at the moment, indicates that something is up.

Now we could be interpeting the signs completely wrong, it is possible that the XServe has hit the wall in some other manner. I think much of this will be cleared up after IBM's show in tell this month. Apple realizes that they need to advance rather quickly as Intel will ramp the clock rate on Prescot rather quickly, probally well in excess of 4 GHz by the middle of summer. Apple really has no other choice than to push as hard as they can.

Possibly the biggest issue in my mind for faster G5's Towers to be delivered a month or two later is that rest of Apples hardware is in rather sad condition and probally will be appraoched earlier. But I do believe at this moment in time that the next rev when it does come will top out slightly higher than 3GHz. Maybe they will be delivered with the new IMacs or the IMacs replacement. Simultaneous delivery will come as the result of the need to deliver an IMac that runs 2GHz or greater.

Originally posted by Eric Battle
All you doubters are pathetic. If we see 3 Ghz machines ANYTIME THIS MONTH, Neatgekko will be the NEW thats right NEW source for inside info. And the funny thing is all you HATERS will be the same ones emailing him about whats next at Apple. I say this because Jobs predicted 3GHZ by summer. NOBODY but Neatgekko predicts earlier. That's a HUGE prediction considering everyone speculated about MAX 2.6 machines. So, in my opinion, if we see 3GHz machines in the next coming weeks all you HATERS will be eating crow and then emailing him about what's next for the summer. I believe you Neatgekko. No doubts whatsoever. Just makes sense to me. Period.

Eric Battle

wizard

Feb 10, 2004, 01:06 AM

I've seen corporations change their minds on production lines that cost over $100million. In one case buying the whole line and never shippig a product. More public infomation can be found on steel mills spending even more money on complete factories they never used. Corporations change their minds all the time.

As to prdictions I have no idea if the Gecko has a line on very good information or not. We may never know and the realities may change agian after a set of pridictions are made.

Some strange thigs are going on at Apple right now. From the pure speculation point of view I think it is the result of IBM maybe being a bit ahead on 90nm capabilities while Apple is trying to catch up with connecting hardware. Obviously wild ass geusses on my part, but things like the XServe could be seen as supporting that thought.

As to the gekco character the question is how can we ever really determine if he does have an inside line on information. I suspect that the only way to finalize this would be for gecko to show more than a few correct prdictions.

Originally posted by john123
Agreed.

It sounds a little hokey to me that 2.6Ghz models were ready to ship "in October" but didn't for the reasons provided. But that's a non-falsifiable hypothesis (absent someone posting some really cool documents), so we'll ignore that for the moment.

So we have several concrete pieces of "information":
* 4 models
* Prices on existing models remain the same
* New 4th model (3Ghz model) more expensive
* Introduced this month

So yes, time will tell.

As I and others mentioned before, the irksome part is when one forecasts something -- be it a product or a timetable -- and says that the proclamation is an "absolute certainty" when, in reality, it's not.

Incidentally, nailing one or two of the above items and missing the other ones shouldn't necessarily lend credence to NeatGekko's credibility. Constantly explaining away things when you're wrong by saying, "Oh, they changed their minds" only can go so far. In my opinion, if more than one of the items above is incorrect, then the prediction was pretty worthless.

the future

Feb 10, 2004, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by john123 [/B]

Have a nice day. :)

numediaman

Feb 10, 2004, 09:06 AM

Apple announces the G5 Performa and the G5 Quadra. The Performa line features G5s at 1ghz, 1.2ghz & 1.4ghz with 56megs of RAM. The Quadra G5 features G5s at 1.4ghz, 1.6ghz & 1.8 ghz, with 126 megs of RAM. And Apple reintroduces the Floppy Drive!

There, now is everyone happy?!

CalfCanuck

Feb 10, 2004, 11:13 AM

Like many others here, I've been keeping an eye on stock at some of the major Apple sellers. I find it interesting that for the first time in 2 months, some these are starting to show as "out of stock" in 2 of the 3 currently shipping models.

Doesn't guarantee anything, but this could signal that Apple is beginning to let stock run out in order to introduce the new models ASAP.

http://www.macprices.com/powermactracker.shtml

john123

Feb 10, 2004, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
Like many others here, I've been keeping an eye on stock at some of the major Apple sellers. I find it interesting that for the first time in 2 months, some these are starting to show as "out of stock" in 2 of the 3 currently shipping models.

Doesn't guarantee anything, but this could signal that Apple is beginning to let stock run out in order to introduce the new models ASAP.

http://www.macprices.com/powermactracker.shtml

Eh? Only Amazon is out of the DP 1.8, and only CompUSA and MicroCenter are out of the SP 1.6s.

That's not exactly a drought in inventory...just suggests that those particular companies have run through their particular supplies and have more on order from Apple.

CalfCanuck

Feb 10, 2004, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by john123
Eh? Only Amazon is out of the DP 1.8, and only CompUSA and MicroCenter are out of the SP 1.6s.

That's not exactly a drought in inventory...just suggests that those particular companies have run through their particular supplies and have more on order from Apple.
You're right it's not much, but this is the first time in 2004 that I've seen any of these to be officially backordered.

I was esp. curious about CompUSA's backorder, as I'd assume that they'd have some special status within Apple shipping and inventory given their special "quasi-Apple store" relationship. Or have I missed something and is this relationship now been downgraded?

invaLPsion

Feb 10, 2004, 05:58 PM

What all the things that have been going on it all boils down to imminent powermac updates. Unless Apple is being cruel and torturing us.

I am very pissed that Apple has allowed itself to get so behind with updating their consumer computers. Apple is a computer company, not a music company! Someone needs to smack Jobs and tell him that.:mad:

djbahdow01

Feb 10, 2004, 07:27 PM

Don't forget there are many factors we have to think about when we talk about updates to any line. Apple is not always the "only" company to blame. Could it be that the yields on the processors at the IBM plants are not what they expected therefore taking longer to make the G5 chips needed for the update?
Also who knows what is in store, they could update the superdrive, graphics cards, etc. There have been no rumors and we are basing all our rumors lately on out of stock at apple reseller stores not at Apple.
When i see the new revision i will be as happy as every one else. Here's to the new G5.:D

john123

Feb 10, 2004, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by invaLPsion
What all the things that have been going on it all boils down to imminent powermac updates. Unless Apple is being cruel and torturing us.

I am very pissed that Apple has allowed itself to get so behind with updating their consumer computers. Apple is a computer company, not a music company! Someone needs to smack Jobs and tell him that.:mad:

::Sigh::

For about the eleventy billionth time on this thread, this is not some mad plot hatched by Jobs to tick you off. You need to understand that one cannot simply snap one's fingers and make a newer, faster, better computer out of thin air. Apple itself "produces" relatively little of the technological components in their computers. Their main thing is putting the parts together in a way that works and makes sense -- which unfortunately takes TIME and TESTING to do and to do right.

In fact, dude, Apple is not that "behind" in updating their computers either. Only a few months ago, the Power Mac line was revised, with the DP 1.8 being added and the price on the SP 1.6 being dropped $200. And G5s were introduced only 7 months ago, with dual 2.0s shipping for about 5 months or so.

Seriously, man, smack yourself...not Steve Jobs...

invaLPsion

Feb 10, 2004, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by john123
::Sigh::

For about the eleventy billionth time on this thread, this is not some mad plot hatched by Jobs to tick you off. You need to understand that one cannot simply snap one's fingers and make a newer, faster, better computer out of thin air. Apple itself "produces" relatively little of the technological components in their computers. Their main thing is putting the parts together in a way that works and makes sense -- which unfortunately takes TIME and TESTING to do and to do right.

In fact, dude, Apple is not that "behind" in updating their computers either. Only a few months ago, the Power Mac line was revised, with the DP 1.8 being added and the price on the SP 1.6 being dropped $200. And G5s were introduced only 7 months ago, with dual 2.0s shipping for about 5 months or so.

Seriously, man, smack yourself...not Steve Jobs...

Alright, that was just a moment of anger, I'm better now.

But on another note, Steve Jobs said that what ruined Apple were salespeople, and what brought Apple back were innovators. Right now, Steve Jobs is acting just like a salesperson.

~Shard~

Feb 10, 2004, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by invaLPsion
Right now, Steve Jobs is acting just like a salesperson.

Personally, I don't think calling Jobs a salesperson is very fair after all he's done with Apple, Pixar, iTMS, etc. these past few years - that doesn't really do him justice - but I can see where you're coming from. :)

invaLPsion

Feb 10, 2004, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Personally, I don't think calling Jobs a salesperson is very fair after all he's done with Apple, Pixar, iTMS, etc. these past few years - that doesn't really do him justice - but I can see where you're coming from. :)

I'll right, I'll give you half salesperson and half innovator. But it is true that he's a pretty amazing CEO overall.:p

whookam

Feb 11, 2004, 07:28 AM

I know this won't affect 99.99% of you, BUT, I have to buy a new computer before 31st March 2004 and I would dearly like it to be a new G5.

In Britain any small business or self-employed person can claim a 100% allowence on Income Tax for any computer/software/peripheral bought on or before 31st March 2004. After this it becomes 40%. It is clear that a substantial saving can be made by buying before this.

I now hear rumors of March 26th. I don't know what this is based on but that doesn't really leave much room for research and buying etc. assuming the updates come this spring at all.

I would really hate having to spend £2,500 on a DP2.0GHZ G5 when i know that something better/faster is just around the corner for the sam price. Unfortunately I can't afford not to buy new equipment (which I badly need). I know a lot of people are in the same boat and I really don't know what to do!

CalfCanuck

Feb 11, 2004, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by whookam
In Britain any small business or self-employed person can claim a 100% allowence on Income Tax for any computer/software/peripheral bought on or before 31st March 2004. After this it becomes 40%. It is clear that a substantial saving can be made by buying before this.

I now hear rumors of March 26th. I don't know what this is based on but that doesn't really leave much room for research and buying etc. assuming the updates come this spring at all.

I would really hate having to spend £2,500 on a DP2.0GHZ G5 when i know that something better/faster is just around the corner for the sam price. Unfortunately I can't afford not to buy new equipment (which I badly need). I know a lot of people are in the same boat and I really don't know what to do!
Seems the logical thing would be to wait until the end of March to buy a computer. If they have an update, great. If not, get the current G5 and get your tax savings - think of it as a "government grant" to purchase part of your computer.

The real question is how much your tax savings will be. Of course that depends on your marginal tax that the 100% allowance offsets - if your rate is 25% or less, it might be worth waiting even if you lose some tax savings.

Also, does the drop from 100% to 40% affect the entire deduction, or only the first year's deduction? If the new regulations let you deduct the other 60% in later years, then the "savings" is much less than you make it out to be. In this case, it's only the interest on the 60% savings that would come this year, rather than next, as you might get bigger tax savings the second (and maybe third year) you owned the computer.

If this is the case, the difference might only be less than 10%, not worth buying an old. soon to be discontinued model.

a17inchFuture

Feb 11, 2004, 08:50 AM

Again, more models of the PB are on sale in the refurbished area of the Apple site. The present-day version of the 17 inch is present, something that was true a couple of days ago for the first time (before being sold promptly), and now for the second time a PB with the same specifications as the full priced one is being sold for a discounted price..

Hopefully, this means they getting rid of their inventory in preperation for their new release!

Say a little prayer for PB's . . . .

a17inchFuture

Feb 11, 2004, 08:55 AM

This refurbished 17 inch for the second time in the alst week could mean a coupel of things.

In my opinion, it seems as though they are getting rid of the present 12 and 17 inch models most specifically. Perhaps they are planning a somewhat inverted update from their last one: Maybe they will heavily update the 12 and 17 versions, and lightly touch up the 15 inch, they way they lightly touched the 12 and 17 inchers in sept. (333 mhz isnt exactly a light touch for PB's, but compared to most pb updates, and the relative lack of recognizable differences between models [i.e. they added bluetooth to the 17-inch at that time, too, however they also added it to the 15 inch during the same update], it was a little less significant. )

Anyay, evidence points to the continued resale of the 12 and 17 inch models of the PB, and hopefully that will mean new pb's sooooooooooooooooooon!

numediaman

Feb 11, 2004, 09:17 AM

Did everyone see this report yesterday from MacOSRumors (if this has been mentioned here already, sorry:

"Still waiting on a new 10.3.3 seed...
A final release is expected within two weeks, as the new PowerMac G5s (@ up to Dual 2.6GHz) are expected to be dependent on new machine support code in 10.3.3."

You can question the source, but I think this is very consistent with the though that Apple is fine tuning both its OS and several software lines in preparation for new G5s. Whether they give us a minor speed bump, or something as major as a jump to 3.0, is still in question. But I wouldn't count on any new G5 releases until 10.3.3 is released.

invaLPsion

Feb 11, 2004, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by numediaman
Did everyone see this report yesterday from MacOSRumors (if this has been mentioned here already, sorry:

"Still waiting on a new 10.3.3 seed...
A final release is expected within two weeks, as the new PowerMac G5s (@ up to Dual 2.6GHz) are expected to be dependent on new machine support code in 10.3.3."

You can question the source, but I think this is very consistent with the though that Apple is fine tuning both its OS and several software lines in preparation for new G5s. Whether they give us a minor speed bump, or something as major as a jump to 3.0, is still in question. But I wouldn't count on any new G5 releases until 10.3.3 is released.

Agreed, this will likely be next week or the week after that. At that time i'm guessing we will see new powermacs announced with 10.3.3.

ionas

Feb 11, 2004, 04:51 PM

that does not make sense,

he promised 3ghz by summer, not earlier

would be wiser to spend the time on Q&A + filling the stock so that the delivery will be faster than last autumn.

+ the rest of the time you could spend your R&D on PowerBook and iMac/eMac concepts and tech stuff...

Pentium M is a great CPU, and a real competitor (while all the other desktop and mobile cpus by intel area JUST PURE CRAP)

Bilba

Feb 11, 2004, 04:55 PM

I think it is about time we close this thread. I can't stand seeing this "PowerMac G5s - on or around Jan 20th" email.

I mean, it is annoying enough that there are no updates.

Can somone atleast "guess/speculate" update date, and we will take it from there?

Opteron

Feb 11, 2004, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by Bilba
Can somone atleast "guess/speculate" update date, and we will take it from there?

I'm callinng April, BTX is suppose to be out then with the PCI-Express graphics standard. The new Power Macs should have this.

john123

Feb 12, 2004, 12:04 AM

You know, I don't necessarily see why we'd think that 10.3.3 is necessarily linked to new Power Macs. Apple has a few times in the past had slightly different builds of the "same" version of system software, with a "newer" build designed to work on new hardware.

It's not at all implausible for 10.3.3 to be released to the general public before the 10.3.3 that's designed for the new Power Macs is fully ready and developed.

pgwalsh

Feb 12, 2004, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by Bilba
I think it is about time we close this thread. I can't stand seeing this "PowerMac G5s - on or around Jan 20th" email.

I mean, it is annoying enough that there are no updates.

Can somone atleast "guess/speculate" update date, and we will take it from there? Within the next two weeks. I'm only saying this because I'll be in the Carribean during that time and it would be fitting for them to come out when I'm not in the country... bastards!

neonart

Feb 12, 2004, 12:58 AM

18 pages later on this thread, and like 21 pages on the MWSF thread and WE DON'T HAVE A FREAKIN CLUE of what's going on.
I wish we had something to go on besides NeatGekko's prophecies. ;)

*sigh*

john123

Feb 12, 2004, 01:08 AM

A very close friend of mine who works at Apple told me that he sat down with Steve Jobs yesterday, and Steve said that the Power Macs will be introduced Tuesday, February 17th.

The Apple web splash page will be changed to say "Better Late Than Never..." and every new Power Mac ordered will come with a box of free Valentine's Day chocolates, in accordance with the better-late-than-never theme.

The new models are rumored to use G4 processors at 1.25, 1.33, and 1.42 Ghz, with no dual processors. When asked why in the world Apple was using slow G4s instead of the groundbreaking G5 processors and architecture introduced last year, Jobs replied, "This'll teach that infernal NeatGekko to shut his damn mouth!"

the future

Feb 12, 2004, 04:00 AM

And I thought NeatGekko WAS Steve Jobs... ;)

aswitcher

Feb 12, 2004, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by john123
A very close friend of mine who works at Apple told me that he sat down with Steve Jobs yesterday, and Steve said that the Power Macs will be introduced Tuesday, February 17th.

SNIP

The new models are rumored to use G4 processors at 1.25, 1.33, and 1.42 Ghz, with no dual processors. When asked why in the world Apple was using slow G4s instead of the groundbreaking G5 processors and architecture introduced last year, Jobs replied, "This'll teach that infernal NeatGekko to shut his damn mouth!"

:D

TranceClubMusic

Feb 12, 2004, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by john123
"This'll teach that infernal NeatGekko to shut his damn mouth!"

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO :D

invaLPsion

Feb 12, 2004, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by john123
A very close friend of mine who works at Apple told me that he sat down with Steve Jobs yesterday, and Steve said that the Power Macs will be introduced Tuesday, February 17th.

The Apple web splash page will be changed to say "Better Late Than Never..." and every new Power Mac ordered will come with a box of free Valentine's Day chocolates, in accordance with the better-late-than-never theme.

The new models are rumored to use G4 processors at 1.25, 1.33, and 1.42 Ghz, with no dual processors. When asked why in the world Apple was using slow G4s instead of the groundbreaking G5 processors and architecture introduced last year, Jobs replied, "This'll teach that infernal NeatGekko to shut his damn mouth!"

DAMN YOU!!!!
I was really excited about that chocolate for a second!:D :p

On another, more serious note, the 17th is actually a likely day for updates considering that that is the week that IBM shows off the new 970FX processor.