PowerMac G5s - on or around Jan 20th?

[MacRumors]

Appleinsider posted (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=337) a brief blurb at the end of their MW Summary hinting at PowerMac updates "on or after January 20th".

We've heard at least unconfirmed hint of a similar timeframe for an unspecified product release.

[paulypants]

sounds about right--hopefully it's true
probably won't ship til march :P

[restiffbard]

The original Mac was released on the 24th right? So, why not release a new Mac on the 24th of this year? If you're gonna have a birthday have it on the right date. OK, so the 24th is a Saturday, then the 26th.

I think the "year of the Mac" will run out like this:

in the next 3-4 months we'll see new consumer Mac updates or redesigns.

Sometime in the summer we'll be seeing the PowerMac edge up to the promised 3GHz.

Before the end of the year we'll see G5s in Powerbooks.

And before Christmas we'll see the iPod mini drop in price.

This seems terribly easy to believe and I know its very broadly stated but I think the best way to keep eyes on Apple for the 20th year is to not rest on one's laurels. If Apple keeps up a steady stream of new product announcements then everyone will be turning to Apple every other month or so.

You don't celebrate a big anniversary in one swift punch on one date. You drag it out and make the entire year a veritable party.

[edesignuk]

I hope so, I can't wait to see what kind of bump they get :D

[j_maddison]

I just read this article briefly highlighting whats coming from AMD and Intel this year. Does anyone know how these chips will stack up against IBM's development plans for the 970 & 980?


http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39118905,00.htm


After a year that saw only a few desktop processor cores from Intel (Northwood and repackaged Gallatin) and AMD (Thoroughbred B, Barton, Sledgehammer and Clawhammer), 2004 looks set to be a busy year. For the moment, AMD has shrugged off its underdog status with its sensational Hammer cores (Athlon 64 and FX-51). To continue the momentum, AMD will be launching four new cores this year. These differ in terms of L2 (Level 2) cache sizes, different memory controllers (single and dual channel) and, of course, clock speeds.

Don't count Intel out yet, though. The chip giant's overdue Prescott will make an appearance early this quarter. Prescott will see its life covered by two generations of Intel chipsets and motherboards. It will originally begin life as a Socket 478 CPU supported by the current Springdale (i865) and Canterwood (i875) chipsets, and graduate to Socket 775 (also called Socket T) with the Grantsdale (successor to the i865) and Alderwood (successor to the i875) chipsets.

Towards the end of the year, Intel will also introduce its future core, Tejas. Rumour has it that Tejas will have a larger L1 (Level 1) cache size, more integral hyper-threading support, multiple cores and -- surprise, surprise -- 64-bit x86 instructions. In addition, Intel has pledged to continue its Extreme Edition line, so we can probably expect modified Prescott and Tejas cores as well.


Jason

[Tiauguinho]

Originally posted by j_maddison
I just read this article briefly highlighting whats coming from AMD and Intel this year. Does anyone know how these chips will stack up against IBM's development plans for the 970 & 980?

Jason

I think that the PPC 980 will blow everything out of the water. My Dual G5 already blows everything on its way ( I cant even imagine what more cache and more altivec units will do! :D ). Im pretty anxious to see it coming out!

[stingerman]

It's a G5 Mini and it will cost $100. :D

[dho]

Originally posted by stingerman
It's a G5 Mini and it will cost $100. :D

With apples current [ricing sceme, a g5 mini would have a clockspeed of 1.2 ghz and a price of $1,600

apple would at the same time anounce a normal g5 with starting speeds at 2.2 ghz for $1,800

:(

seriosly i hope this comes out to be true. If it does coincide with the 24th exectly it will have to be soemthing big. Bring it on apple!

[MacFinn]

I would no be surprised of any product released on Jan 24th.

[Stoffel]

Good to get faster powermacs.
However,
I hope we will see the g5 in the powerbook before the 4th quarter.

[Grimace]

The 24th is a Saturday - that's not good business policy to do a release on a weekend.

The timeframe makes sense. Let's just watch the "ship-time" on the Apple website in the next two weeks. Seems to be the best indicator.

[mrsebastian]

i don't know about the 24th being the day, but i expect we'll get g5 updates before the month is over. we'll probably see a 2.5g update now and 3g in the summer.

[pkradd]

In his Keynote SJ referred to this as an "anniversary year" so I'd expect, as he said, new products coming thoroughout 2004 and not just at MW or WWDC. Special events will certainly come along.

[Mr. Anderson]

The 20th is a Tuesday - that's the day for new releases :D

I hope they redo the displays and offer better prices. I'd love to order one of the new G5s.

D

[kenaustus]

The PM will be updated as soon as IBM delivers sufficient volume of the 90 nm chips and inventory is brought down a bit. Steve J wants speed, speed and more speed and will not stay with the old Moto schedule. The introduction of the Dual 1.8 is a good indication that Apple will push enhancements as soon as they are available.

The market that really needs attention now is the consumer market and I think that there will be a new G5 iMac awaiting the 90 nm chips. The iMac now has a glaring problem with its G4 chip and a lot of people, me included, are keeping their credit card in their wallet until the G5 comes out. It is also the perfect product to use for the main Anniversary announcement as the original Mac was, in main part, a consumer product.

My credit card is ready - I just hope that Apple is!

[Mr. Anderson]

A 2.0 GHz G5 iMac would certainly shake things up a bit....but I'm really hoping for a nice big bump for the dual systems. :D

That and dual monitors.......

D

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by kenaustus
The PM will be updated as soon as IBM delivers sufficient volume of the 90 nm chips and inventory is brought down a bit. Steve J wants speed, speed and more speed and will not stay with the old Moto schedule. The introduction of the Dual 1.8 is a good indication that Apple will push enhancements as soon as they are available.

The market that really needs attention now is the consumer market and I think that there will be a new G5 iMac awaiting the 90 nm chips. The iMac now has a glaring problem with its G4 chip and a lot of people, me included, are keeping their credit card in their wallet until the G5 comes out. It is also the perfect product to use for the main Anniversary announcement as the original Mac was, in main part, a consumer product.

My credit card is ready - I just hope that Apple is! I like you am waiting, holding on to see what happens. I really love the Imac but iam not going to make due with a subpar bus, cpu and video chip. I might sprang for a new powermac if the base unit is 2.0 G5 or better but would rather have a new imac if they give it the 2.0 G5 and something better then Fx5200. A single 2.0 g5 and say ati 9600 would make a very nice game machine and can do anything i need. my wife wants my machine i have now so that means another monitor or the imac, Remember the patent Apple got on color changing? Patience is the key.I still wonder what a new G5 imac or new product would look like. still like this concept.

[sparks9]

My hint: The PowerMacs will be upgraded on or after tomorrow!

[wdlove]

I am also looking forward to the upgrade of the Power Mac G5. Apple has been making releases on days other than Tuesday. So if it's not the 20th then they just might go against normal practice and announce on the 24th. The 24th would be my pick, because it is the actual anniversay date. It always annoys me when aniversarys are celebrated on another date.

[jihad the movie]

Even I am not taking this information seriously, but here is what I heard.

My friend Jared from school has a friend that works at the Apple Store in Buffalo (NY) Anyways, Jared always tells me products Apple will release in the near future, based on what he hears from his friend at the store. Namely the iSight, 20 inch Flat Panel, eMac, FCPE 2, 12 inch PowerBook and more recently the 10gig iPod moving up to 15. He has only been wrong a couple times, but even then he was one revision off (G4 iBooks). So he has been fairly accurate with rumors, I would say. Yesterday he told me that on the 20th, Apple would release a new machine sporting a G5 processor, and yes a cube shaped computer is in the Apple pipeline somewhere. He said that either one machine would have a G5 and another be a cube, or it would be a G5 cube.

So whatever, take that however you want. I personally don't picture Apple rereleasing a cube after all the hoopola around the first one. But yeah, I think another G5 processor is in the works for Apple to sell us.

[ryan]

Apple store employees have no inside knowledge of future Apple products beyond what they read on the rumor sites. So your friend's, friend is getting their information from sites like this one and not some secret memo the employees get each week.

[Grimace]

yeah, i have to agree. Apple store reps don't know details any faster. They DO know that there are "200 sealed boxes with no markings that an iMac might fit inside." Inventory before a release is always interesting....

[JoeRadar]

Originally posted by jihad the movie
and another be a cube, or it would be a G5 cube.
Just a random thought... In the PC world there is a niche market for LAN party PCs, and most of these are relatively compact cubes.

Maybe Apple will come out with a PowerPC FragBox (http://www.falcon-nw.com/fragbox.asp).

[JoeRadar]

Originally posted by carletonmusic
yeah, i have to agree. Apple store reps don't know details any faster.
Actually, I am pretty surprised at how little Apple store reps know about anything. Whenever I ask our local Apple store reps a question, they are almost always wrong. Apple needs to step up their training.

[dho]

My sources tell me its next Tuesday :\

[wdlove]

Originally posted by ryan
Apple store employees have no inside knowledge of future Apple products beyond what they read on the rumor sites. So your friend's, friend is getting their information from sites like this one and not some secret memo the employees get each week.

Yes that is very true, I have been told that over and over. Just prior to the Keynote on Tuesday at my local Apple Store, the store manager sat in front of me. Someone ask him a question, "I don't know anymore what to expect than you do."

[neonart]

Im going crazy waiting for new G5's.

Here's what I wonder... Will Apple do single or dual processors in the low end machine?

[Mac Dummy]

Originally posted by neonart
Im going crazy waiting for new G5's.

Here's what I wonder... Will Apple do single or dual processors in the low end machine?

Hopefully, it will be a dual with either 2.2-2.8 Ghz? I wish Apple would get rid of the 1.6GHz G5 and make the dual 1.8 their low-end model.:)

[iAtom]

Originally posted by neonart
Im going crazy waiting for new G5's.

Here's what I wonder... Will Apple do single or dual processors in the low end machine?

Yeah I've been wondering the same thing. I'm hoping that the dual 2.0 will become the low-end with simalar pricing to the current 1.6.

It would be really cool if they released something new on or around the 24th. But I think if they are going to release something for the aniversary it would be something more special. Maybe G5 iMacs. Or possibly, although I highly doubt it, G5 PowerBooks (hey, they got them in the Xserves :D)

[From Win to Mac]

my credit card is just waiting for Apple to update their G5s. hopefully, it'll be a dual, or at least single 2.2 in the low-end, cause it's the only one i can afford.

It's brutal because i bought for 1500$CAN worth of stuff, like a MiniDV camcorder, a screen and 5.1 speakers (boxing day), and it's all in the box, just waiting for the G5 !!!

[Squire]

Originally posted by JoeRadar
Actually, I am pretty surprised at how little Apple store reps know about anything. Whenever I ask our local Apple store reps a question, they are almost always wrong. Apple needs to step up their training.

I just bought Panther today and asked the guy in the store when iLife '04 would arrive here in Korea. He pointed to the old iLife and said it was over there. No, I said, the new one with GarageBand in it.

Deer in the headlights.

Finally, he said, "Oh, we don't have that yet." (In his defense, it's not even advertised on Apple Korea's site yet.)

Squire

[wrldwzrd89]

Originally posted by From Win to Mac
my credit card is just waiting for Apple to update their G5s. <snip>
Mine too! I plan to get the middle or high-end machine built to order. I'm hoping for 8x SuperDrives in all models (and dual processors in at least the middle- and high-end models, preferably in the low-end model as well). I haven't bought anything special to use with the G5 when it arrives.

[Squire]

Fortunately (or unfortunately), my 17" iMac suits all my desktop needs. I really need a new laptop, though. The smaller, the better, as far as I'm concerned. I hope that they throw the G5 in all three PowerBooks and not just the big two.

Squire

[Dreadnought]

Well, I have ordered my dual 1.8 on the 8th of December and it's speculated to be here the end of January... So hopefully they have thrown in a couple of faster proc's! :D Six weeks for only the PM, this is very long! It was however BTO, Bluetooth, no modem, combodrive and Ati 9600. But whenever I assemble it in the Applestore it says delevery in 5-7 business days. So why does it takes more then 6 weeks?! Called the Applestore last week and they said that they where just starting production again...

Also, in the new speculated line up, the low end model is always a single proc! It will probably be the 2.0 @ 90nm. Maybe we even see an option for a second optical bay in the new release. The procs are producing less heat, so less cooling/smaller heatsinks required -> More space to put something else in! (eventhough the procs are on the other side of the G5 then the optical drive).

The iMacs will probably get the old procs @ 90nm. Single 1.6, 1.8, and 2.0.

[Audacity Works]

Originally posted by From Win to Mac It's brutal because i bought for 1500$CAN worth of stuff, like a MiniDV camcorder, a screen and 5.1 speakers (boxing day), and it's all in the box, just waiting for the G5!!!You're not alone. I have a ProTools|HD3 Accel rig (megabucks:() with $1400 worth of rackmount Glyph firewire drives waiting for an announcement...Originally posted by From DreadnoughtMaybe we even see an option for a second optical bay in the new release. The procs are producing less heat, so less cooling/smaller heatsinks required -> More space to put something else in!Yeah, that's another reason I'm waiting-- Hoping they'll find room for more than one extra hard drive and maybe an extra PCI-X slot.

[Mr. Anderson]

They've done duals across the board in the PowerMac line before - my guess is that will happen only when the iMacs are upgraded to a g5 or a different form factor G5 will become available.

I'm hoping on the 20th as well ;)

D

[agreenster]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
still like this concept.

Oh my god please let that horrible concept die. That is still the ugliest thing I have ever seen.

Man, lets hope for updates this month.

[~Shard~]

I'm sure this year will be just like last year, with many new exciting updates announced every Tuesday or so for the next couple of months. I'm thinking PM updates in a couple weeks, and then who kows what - LCDs? Can't wait to see what all comes out these next few weeks...

[arqsagi]

remember some time ago when someone said that chiat the apple ad agencia has started working in ad for the superbowl, now the original mac ad was featured in the superbowl, this year there will be the pepsi one with the itunes promotion, but will be a good reason to invest in the second ad for apple this year.
So maybe they will have something else to announce or just say "we told you 1984 wont be like 1984, 20 years of innovation from the original mac to the ipod"

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by agreenster
Oh my god please let that horrible concept die. That is still the ugliest thing I have ever seen.

Man, lets hope for updates this month. how come you dont like it? a cool screen, wireless keyboard & mouse, a cool enclosure that can hold several harddrives and a cpu in the bottom with heatsink on top rather then sticking a cpu on its side. remember heat goes up. did you see the film of this thing? very cool and i would buy one today if they had it. plus its smaller then the 40 lb monster we have now. I hope we get more then just a ipod commercial( yawn)

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
how come you dont like it? a cool screen, wireless keyboard & mouse, a cool enclosure that can hold several harddrives and a cpu in the bottom with heatsink on top rather then sticking a cpu on its side. remember heat goes up. did you see the film of this thing? very cool and i would buy one today if they had it. plus its smaller then the 40 lb monster we have now. I hope we get more then just a ipod commercial( yawn)

the film was crap - sorry - and I'll wager agreenster would agree with me on that one. jerky camera movement, and the thing looks like a prop from an old star trek movie. It doesn't have the clean lines of the iMac or PM.

The screen is a great concept, though and a little better thought out.

D

[Dont Hurt Me]

well im surprised i really liked the styling but what turns one person on turns another off. I was turned off big time when the G5 was shown after seeing so many cool concepts of what it might look like. i will admit it looks better in person though a smaller unit would fit into my desk like my quicksilver.

[sethypoo]

Originally posted by restiffbard
The original Mac was released on the 24th right? So, why not release a new Mac on the 24th of this year? If you're gonna have a birthday have it on the right date. OK, so the 24th is a Saturday, then the 26th.

I think the "year of the Mac" will run out like this:

in the next 3-4 months we'll see new consumer Mac updates or redesigns.

Sometime in the summer we'll be seeing the PowerMac edge up to the promised 3GHz.

Before the end of the year we'll see G5s in Powerbooks.

And before Christmas we'll see the iPod mini drop in price.

This seems terribly easy to believe and I know its very broadly stated but I think the best way to keep eyes on Apple for the 20th year is to not rest on one's laurels. If Apple keeps up a steady stream of new product announcements then everyone will be turning to Apple every other month or so.

You don't celebrate a big anniversary in one swift punch on one date. You drag it out and make the entire year a veritable party.

Couldn't agree more, except I think the iPod mini dropping in price is a long shot.

We can hope!

[ZildjianKX]

You know Apple is going to suck and make the bottom model a SP 2.0 GHz... they're going to be too cheap to make them duals across all three models.

Also, as before, be prepared to wait a hell of a long time for the top model... so you can settle for the middle model for awhile if you actually want it anytime soon... probably 2.4 top and 2.2 middle is my guess.

I also bet they won't upgrade the superdrive to 8X yet either... probably very minor upgrades overall.

[Dont Hurt Me]

still even if they do put a 2.0 in the base model thats a jump of 400 megahertz. something we have never seen and never will see out of motorola's G4.;)

[MacNut]

If Apple has a lot of chips, whats to say they wont release 4 models at a time instead of 3, that way they can space pricing even more.

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
You know Apple is going to suck and make the bottom model a SP 2.0 GHz... they're going to be too cheap to make them duals across all three models.


Why does that mean Apple sucks? I agree with Dont Hurt Me, that's a jump in 400 MHz, far more of a speed boost than we ever saw out of Moto!

Why would this suck? The 2.0 GHz machine are screamingly fast, and as a low-end machine would be amazing!

And as for being "too cheap" to make them all duals, that makes no sense at all. These new processor speeds are going to be great as it is, without the need for duals across the board. This does not make Apple cheap - they're upgrading their products - do you want them to upgrade more? So what you're saying then is that you're never satisfied and want more, more more? Okay, I know what people like you are like, I've run into them many times before....

Originally posted by ZildjianKX

Also, as before, be prepared to wait a hell of a long time for the top model... so you can settle for the middle model for awhile if you actually want it anytime soon... probably 2.4 top and 2.2 middle is my guess.

What are you basing this on? The extraordinarily long shipping delays on the initial batch of G5s was due to a vareity of factors, in case you didn't know that, including Virginia Tech getting the first 1100, and also the simple fact that this was a brand new system, brand new chip, brand new everything! Since these are just speed bumps with relatively minor hardware updates compared to the initial required updates and redesign of the G5 system, I don't see why there would be long delays. Please back up your claim with some facts and a constrcutive argument and I will gladly listen.

[iBot]

Because the 90nm chips radiate less heat, maybe the PowerMac enclosure will get an update at some point this year (probably later, rather than sooner, because it would be a huge development expense to change the design of the box). The current G5 towers are jam-packed with cooling fans. Perhaps cooler chips will bring a smaller form factor. After all, Apple did manage to cram the new 90nm chips into those skinny X-serves.

[Wombatronic]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
You know Apple is going to suck and make the bottom model a SP 2.0 GHz... they're going to be too cheap to make them duals across all three models.


Yeah, just to reiterate, this is silly.

If they do go with a single, it is not because they are cheap, it is because the consumers are cheap. No matter how you do the math, one processor costs less than two, and there are people out there who only want to buy one. If Apple can shave some $ off the price and pick up a larger segment, while upselling to folks who do want duals, they will.

Also, the bottow of the line one is supposed to be where Apple cuts corners. You want a "not cheap" one, I am sure Apple will have something for you.

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by Wombatronic
Yeah, just to reiterate, this is silly.

If they do go with a single, it is not because they are cheap, it is because the consumers are cheap. No matter how you do the math, one processor costs less than two, and there are people out there who only want to buy one. If Apple can shave some $ off the price and pick up a larger segment, while upselling to folks who do want duals, they will.

Also, the bottow of the line one is supposed to be where Apple cuts corners. You want a "not cheap" one, I am sure Apple will have something for you.

Exactly - well said. I'll never understand people who make comments like ZildjianKX's above. <shrugs shoulders>

[beatle888]

1.8 will be the base model 2.0 in the middle and 2.4 at the top. we might even see the imac at 1.8. the imac being the same processor speed as the low end powermac still wont be upgradeable so it is possible.

[Rincewind42]

Originally posted by beatle888
1.8 will be the base model 2.0 in the middle and 2.4 at the top. we might even see the imac at 1.8. the imac being the same processor speed as the low end powermac still wont be upgradeable so it is possible.

Somehow I just can't see the iMac going over 1.6 Ghz, just due to trying to keep the iMac fanless (or as close to fanless as possible). But I'm betting on the PowerMac going up at least a full 400Mhz across the line, so I'm still hoping for a 2Ghz lowend.

But what does this matter... I need to find some money first so I can buy a G5 :D .

[wrldwzrd89]

Originally posted by Rincewind42
Somehow I just can't see the iMac going over 1.6 Ghz, just due to trying to keep the iMac fanless (or as close to fanless as possible). But I'm betting on the PowerMac going up at least a full 400Mhz across the line, so I'm still hoping for a 2Ghz lowend.
I don't see the iMac getting a G5 processor until the Powerbooks go G5 also, which is not expected to happen until the summer of 2004 at the earliest. However, there is another possibility for the iMac G5: a total case redesign. I see this being more likely since I don't know of any PowerPC G5's manufactured at speeds of less than 1.6 GHz. In fact, a redesign might be necessary just because of the heat production problem. <edit> I also see the G5 going up at least 400 MHz, possibly 600 MHz! I'm even expecting the exact same thing from the Rev. C PowerMac G5's (the one that takes us to 3.0 GHz at least).</edit>

[MattG]

I had my boss wait until at least afte the keynote before she wrote up the order for my new G5. I'm tired of waiting...I'm placing the order this week, new G5's soon or not.

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by wrldwzrd89
I don't see the iMac getting a G5 processor until the Powerbooks go G5 also, which is not expected to happen until the summer of 2004 at the earliest. However, there is another possibility for the iMac G5: a total case redesign. I see this being more likely since I don't know of any PowerPC G5's manufactured at speeds of less than 1.6 GHz. In fact, a redesign might be necessary just because of the heat production problem. <edit> I also see the G5 going up at least 400 MHz, possibly 600 MHz! I'm even expecting the exact same thing from the Rev. C PowerMac G5's (the one that takes us to 3.0 GHz at least).</edit>

I've been saying the same thing for months now. The iMac will not see a G5 until the PowerBooks either get a G5, or are very close to getting a G5 - you cannot release a new, top-of-the-line chip in a consumer model before a pro model gets it, or else people will start complaining. There is also the aspect of product differentiation as well - there has to be a substantial difference between the PMs and the iMacs. I'm not saying Apple should cripple the iMacs, I''m just saying they should be noticeably less powerful than the PMs. But, if the PM updates come in the next 2 weeks, as predicted, and the line goes to 2.0, 2.2 and 2.4, for example, I think a single 1.6 G5 would make sense, depending on the other components.

I think the iMacs will see a redesign for sure. But perhaps it will go beyond that - perhaps the iMac line will even be re-invented. Perhaps the iMac will move from the consumer level to more of a mid-grade level, between the eMac and the PM, become more powerful, but as a result, also more expensive - say $3000 or higher. (Just wild speculation here!) The eMac would still be a consumer machine, as would the G4 iMacs, which they would keep around, and then the new G5 iMacs would act as a middle ground to the PMs.

Who knows - only time will tell!

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by MattG
I had my boss wait until at least afte the keynote before she wrote up the order for my new G5. I'm tired of waiting...I'm placing the order this week, new G5's soon or not.

I wouldn't worry at all, even if the PMs do get upated in 2 weeks. The current PMs are amazing machines, and just because new ones will be announced in a couple weeks does not magically make your machine garbage, slow and useless. Pick up your PM and start enjoying it! If you keep waiting for the next best thing, you'll always be waiting!

[ionas]

do you think they still have a lot of 1.8 cpus in depot?

if that is the case we ll either have to wait until all of them are sold or the 1.8 dual will be the bottom line?

does it make sense to only have duals?

1.8, 2.0, 2.2 for example?

different configuration would be

2.0 single
2.2-2.3 dual
2.4-2.6 dual

what do you think will happen?
will the prices stay about the same (for the low, mid and high end model)?

[dbauer]

I agree with most of the speculation here but the details of the upgrades on some ideas don't make sense and don't follow Apple's branding strategy.
Here's how I see it if they update this month:

I think the update announcement will come in the SuperBowl (which is how they did it 20 years ago; hence the "anniversary")

The "new Mac" introduced probably won't be an iMac replacement because they just introduced the 20" iMac and Apple typically leaves a machine on the market for 6 months before a major update (re: original flat-panel iMac). They would have to sell their inventory of the 20" iMac before replacing it with a whole new iMac (although I'm sure they don't have a huge inventory because this is such a niche machine).

I see Apple releasing a "20th Anniversary Macintosh" with a G5 1.6 or 1.8 ghz with all the trimmings: 8x superdrive, Radeon 9600, integrated Airport, and 512mb memory (non-ECC). The design will have to be all-in-one to stay with the original "Mac" and the 10th anniversary Mac. It may even be only as thick as the 17" widescreen flat-panel (this design has been done before although not by Apple). I also see a dock for the new iPod mini integrated into the chassis somehow. A great way to increase popularity because you don't have to purchase a seperate dock. Pricing will most likely inhibit its popularity because thats Apple's trademark, great products, too much for the average Joe to purchase let alone switch from a cheaper Dell.
I see the price around $1999.

I don't see an update to the PM during the SuperBowl, so maybe that will come on the 20th much like last years PM update. Speeds will probably move forward 400Mhz for each grade (2, 2.2 dual, 2.4 dual) but I see Apple shedding the non PCI-X motherboard in the lower model. Pricing should follow the current setup, $1799, $2399,$2999.

As for the PB, the G5 model is coming but it makes sense to wait for the commotion of the late Jan releases to die down a bit, probably early March. To keep heat down the entry level will most likely be the 1.6 Ghz with the 1.8 being the top model. This is similar to the speed bumps in the current PB. Pricing should stay the same because there is no reason a G4 PB should cost over $1999 but a G5 easily could.

The displays should see a change soon because the design is completely different that the current PM's. An all aluminum thin from should be the logical choice with a 17" widescreen for the low end and a new 30-32" widescreen made for replacing your TV. The middle 20" and 23"models will just change packaging with the price dropping $100. I see pricing on the low end to drop to $399 but the new high end to be $2999.

Anyway, this is just my take on the whole situation, which most obviously will be way off base.

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Why does that mean Apple sucks? I agree with Dont Hurt Me, that's a jump in 400 MHz, far more of a speed boost than we ever saw out of Moto!

Why would this suck? The 2.0 GHz machine are screamingly fast, and as a low-end machine would be amazing!

And as for being "too cheap" to make them all duals, that makes no sense at all. These new processor speeds are going to be great as it is, without the need for duals across the board. This does not make Apple cheap - they're upgrading their products - do you want them to upgrade more? So what you're saying then is that you're never satisfied and want more, more more? Okay, I know what people like you are like, I've run into them many times before....



What are you basing this on? The extraordinarily long shipping delays on the initial batch of G5s was due to a vareity of factors, in case you didn't know that, including Virginia Tech getting the first 1100, and also the simple fact that this was a brand new system, brand new chip, brand new everything! Since these are just speed bumps with relatively minor hardware updates compared to the initial required updates and redesign of the G5 system, I don't see why there would be long delays. Please back up your claim with some facts and a constrcutive argument and I will gladly listen.

Sigh, they are being cheap since they could easily include a second processor for the price they are charging consumers for the models. The bump from a SP 1.8 to a DP processor 1.8 when there was a 4% price increase ring a bell?

Also, Apple has a long record of product delays upon announcements... and since the 2.0 GHz chip is already been in production for awhile, of course you can see it shipping sooner. Unless they do switch to 90 nm across the board... Also I wouldn't be so naive to believe all of Apple's propaganda about the initial G5 delays. Believing the Virginia tech 1,100 units caused signifigant delays is simply bunk. 1,100 units out of the 100,000 computers shipped sure is signifigant (sarcasm). A lame excuse indeed to cover up their premature product announcement of the G5.

My previous post was stated as my opinion, and try not to be too pissed when I'm right. And there is absolutely no reason they couldn't make the bottom model a dual other than trying to milk the consumer for that extra bit of profit.

[k2k koos]

just a guess, but i think it might make sense that Apple will release these new generation g5's, along perhaps with the rumored revised G5 iMac on January 24th, as that is their celebration date, 20 years of macintosh! Now what better way than celebrate it with some special releases. An Alu iMac perhaps, with integrated iSight camera in it's display...


I couldn't help dreaming a bit....

;)

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Sigh, they are being cheap since they could easily include a second processor for the price they are charging consumers for the models. The bump from a SP 1.8 to a DP processor 1.8 when there was a 4% price increase ring a bell?


I think you need a basic course in topics such as profit margins, pricing structures, manufacturing costs and overall marketing strategy. It is not as simple as "since we can, we might as well!". If Apple put dual processors in it would alter their profit structure, and as I said in my initial post, it is not necessary - the G5s are amazingly fast, and duals aren't absolutely required - or if nothing else, the exclusion of duals ascross the board does not equate to Apple "cheaping out" as you would put it. Those little G5 chips cost money, and although Apple doubled up the 1.8 systems, there were many factors at play in that situation. There is also the fact that by then, the G5s were in mass production and it was more feasible to proceed with the DP 1.8 system. Now, with brand new chip speeds, and the new chips being more expensive since they are new, and in more limited quantities, it would cost Apple much more to double up with these new processors and keep the prices the same as a single processor system.

Originally posted by ZildjianKX

Also I wouldn't be so naive to believe all of Apple's propaganda about the initial G5 delays. Believing the Virginia tech 1,100 units caused signifigant delays is simply bunk. 1,100 units out of the 100,000 computers shipped sure is signifigant (sarcasm). A lame excuse indeed to cover up their premature product announcement of the G5.


I never said the VA Tech computers were the sole and legitimate reason for the G5 shipping delays. I also noted the fact that it was a new system, meaning production quantities were limited, and I never for one second said that Apple didn't jump the gun on announcing the new G5. They most certainly did, and the lengthy shipping delays resulted from this.

So, if you think we'll see the same type of shipping delays on the Rev Bs that we did for the Rev As, that's your opinion, but my opinion is that shipping delays will NOT be 5 months on the Rev Bs and, assuming a late-January release date, they will be shipping before the end of June.

Originally posted by ZildjianKX

My previous post was stated as my opinion, and try not to be too pissed when I'm right.


<chuckle> I always like reading posts from open-minded individuals. :rolleyes: You say the post was your opinion, yet you then essentially say "I'm right and everyone else is wrong", so my opinion is always right - nice attitude. Now, back to the point at hand...

What makes you think I was pissed in my original post? Did I specifically state that? Nope. Just constructing an intelligent argument to your post. Relax a little bit and don't take things personally.

Originally posted by ZildjianKX

And there is absolutely no reason they couldn't make the bottom model a dual other than trying to milk the consumer for that extra bit of profit.

Yah, heaven forbid Apple trying to make a profit. Who do they think are they, a successful company? :rolleyes: Yes, Apple could make the bottom model a dual, especially if it is a 2.0 GHz, but again, I don't know if they will - it would alter their product/pricing structure and price points.

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
I think you need a basic course in topics such as profit margins, pricing structures, manufacturing costs and overall marketing strategy. It is not as simple as "since we can, we might as well!". If Apple put dual processors in it would alter their profit structure, and as I said in my initial post, it is not necessary - the G5s are amazingly fast, and duals aren't absolutely required - or if nothing else, the exclusion of duals ascross the board does not equate to Apple "cheaping out" as you would put it. Those little G5 chips cost money, and although Apple doubled up the 1.8 systems, there were many factors at play in that situation. There is also the fact that by then, the G5s were in mass production and it was more feasible to proceed with the DP 1.8 system. Now, with brand new chip speeds, and the new chips being more expensive since they are new, and in more limited quantities, it would cost Apple much more to double up with these new processors and keep the prices the same as a single processor system.



I never said the VA Tech computers were the sole and legitimate reason for the G5 shipping delays. I also noted the fact that it was a new system, meaning production quantities were limited, and I never for one second said that Apple didn't jump the gun on announcing the new G5. They most certainly did, and the lengthy shipping delays resulted from this.

So, if you think we'll see the same type of shipping delays on the Rev Bs that we did for the Rev As, that's your opinion, but my opinion is that shipping delays will NOT be 5 months on the Rev Bs and, assuming a late-January release date, they will be shipping before the end of June.



<chuckle> I always like reading posts from open-minded individuals. :rolleyes: You say the post was your opinion, yet you then essentially say "I'm right and everyone else is wrong", so my opinion is always right - nice attitude. Now, back to the point at hand...

What makes you think I was pissed in my original post? Did I specifically state that? Nope. Just constructing an intelligent argument to your post. Relax a little bit and don't take things personally.



Yah, heaven forbid Apple trying to make a profit. Who do they think are they, a successful company? :rolleyes: Yes, Apple could make the bottom model a dual, especially if it is a 2.0 GHz, but again, I don't know if they will - it would alter their product/pricing structure and price points.

Umm... I don't recall saying that there would be a 5 month wait for the Rev Bs... nor do I recall saying that you were pissed by my post... :confused:

Nor did I pronounce that "I am right, everyone else is wrong..." Your posts may lead one to believe that that is how you feel... I just have a pretty good educated guess.

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Umm... I don't recall saying that there would be a 5 month wait for the Rev Bs...

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Also, as before, be prepared to wait a hell of a long time for the top model...


Okay, so what did you mean by your above comment? You say "as before", referring to the shipping delays (5 months) of the initial G5s, and then you use the phrase "hell of a long time".

Originally posted by ZildjianKX

nor do I recall saying that you were pissed by my post... :confused:
Nor did I pronounce that "I am right, everyone else is wrong..."

Alright, then let me refresh your memory since you apparently can't recall what you have typed in previous posts.

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
My previous post was stated as my opinion, and try not to be too pissed when I'm right.

"try not to be too pissed when I'm right"

read: "Since I'm right, don't be pissed off."

And as I said, I was not pissed off.

Coupling the above phrase with the fact that you are stating your opinion comes across as though you are saying your opinion is right.

If I have misunderstood you, I apologize, however you should make yourself a little more clear if this is the case.

Now that you've commented on the most minor, insignificant segments of my post, are you planning on replying to the main points I have stated in my reply? Or do you now agree that Apple isn't "being cheap" and that Apple doesn't "suck" as you stated in your previous post?

[invaLPsion]

According to Apple Insider, IBM is producing 2.2 and 2.4 ghz chips in volume, and are at the edge of testing a 2.6 ghz chip. Why would they produce and test these chips if they don't intend to use them? We will see siingle 2.2 ghz and dual 2.4 ghz powermacs shipping immediately or early february and we will see dual 2.6 ghz powermacs shipping late february/ early march. That would put Apple in the right spot to hit 3 ghz with the 980 in July. Doesn't that make sense?:rolleyes:

[Dippo]

2.6Ghz just wouldn't be enought for me. I am waiting for nothing less than 5.0Ghz Dual.

By the time they come out, I might actually be able to afford one. It sucks being a poor college student!

[PRØBE]

Well a 1.6ghz upwards G5 imac would certainly persuade me to dust off my credit card and head for the nearest Apple store.

The Imacs are seriously underpowered.
Home users who are into the whole"ilife"
thing and like to play games won't be satisfied with a G4 and an underpowered graphics card for much longer.

I came close to buying one as I still find the G5 towers pretty ugly, but I've held back in hope of seeing Apple take the initiative and stop shortchanging us non pros.

[cubist]

You guys are making this way too difficult. Apple doesn't care if the iMac is as fast as the PowerMac, and the iMac already has a fan. They aren't going to stick some left-over, low-clocked CPU, with a crappy video chipset, in a new iMac. When the iMac hit 1.25GHz, the tower was only slightly faster at 1.42 - but it was a dual.

I'm with Don'tHurtMe. I expect a 1.8GHz iMac with a built-in Radeon 9600 chipset. The PowerMacs will be 1.8 dual, 2.0 dual, and 2.3 dual. Around August, a 2.6 dual will be introduced. We won't see a 3.0 this calendar year, sorry.

[wrldwzrd89]

Originally posted by cubist
You guys are making this way too difficult. Apple doesn't care if the iMac is as fast as the PowerMac, and the iMac already has a fan. They aren't going to stick some left-over, low-clocked CPU, with a crappy video chipset, in a new iMac. When the iMac hit 1.25GHz, the tower was only slightly faster at 1.42 - but it was a dual.

I'm with Don'tHurtMe. I expect a 1.8GHz iMac with a built-in Radeon 9600 chipset. The PowerMacs will be 1.8 dual, 2.0 dual, and 2.3 dual. Around August, a 2.6 dual will be introduced. We won't see a 3.0 this calendar year, sorry.

How can there be a 2.3 dual if there are no reports ANYWHERE of such a processor in production at IBM? All reports point to 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, and maybe 2.6 GHz processors as next in the line for use in the PowerMac G5.

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Okay, so what did you mean by your above comment? You say "as before", referring to the shipping delays (5 months) of the initial G5s, and then you use the phrase "hell of a long time".



Alright, then let me refresh your memory since you apparently can't recall what you have typed in previous posts.



"try not to be too pissed when I'm right"

read: "Since I'm right, don't be pissed off."

And as I said, I was not pissed off.

Coupling the above phrase with the fact that you are stating your opinion comes across as though you are saying your opinion is right.

If I have misunderstood you, I apologize, however you should make yourself a little more clear if this is the case.

Now that you've commented on the most minor, insignificant segments of my post, are you planning on replying to the main points I have stated in my reply? Or do you now agree that Apple isn't "being cheap" and that Apple doesn't "suck" as you stated in your previous post?

Well, I said don't be pissed later :p

If I said "as before" on the delays, I just meant there are going to be delays like before, but I didn't mean to come across that they would be as drastic, my apologies.

I still think Apple is skimping on the line by not going duals across... but if they did make the bottom line a DP 2.0 GHz for $2,000, I'm sure they'd have a lot of PO'ed customers who just bought it for a cool $3,000... but then again they didn't care about the SP 1.8 GHz customers.

[thatwendigo]

Ah, lovely... Thanks for the heads-up, oh anonymous benefactor.

Shard's covered a number of points that I think are entirely relevant to this discussion, and which will carry over well from what I've been saying in numerous discussions about the supposed G5 iMac. In essence, it is pro-level suicide for Apple to ignore the PowerBooks without making some kind of statement, only to put the newest processor into the consumer-level machine. Performance is strongly correlated with price, even in the PC world, and you're not going to see something as blazingly fast and newly designed as the G5 architecture just suddenly drop to some ridiculous price point. No matter how many times DHM and his cronies repeat that the G4 is slow, it's not going to change that Apple is probably still recouping losses for the research involved in supporting the new chips. In other words, keep dreaming on the G5 iMac, because it's either going to be a slow, slow, slow implementation of the chip (and thus not much faster than the G4), or it's going to cost a lot more than most of you are hoping for.

Ah, and now there's a little meat that hasn't been picked already.

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
I still think Apple is skimping on the line by not going duals across... but if they did make the bottom line a DP 2.0 GHz for $2,000, I'm sure they'd have a lot of PO'ed customers who just bought it for a cool $3,000... but then again they didn't care about the SP 1.8 GHz customers.

Wasn't there a time, once, when Apple did have all-duals across the line? As much as I think that would rock, I don't know just how feasible it would be for them from a marketing and supply standpoint.

The second half of your comment is ridiculous, though. Of course Apple has to draw a line somewhere, or they'd be offering free processor upgrades to anyone who bought an LC ten years ago. Hate it all you want, but companies do have to set boundaries and follow those, or there's no end to how much the money leaks out drains them... That's just reality, cold and bitter as it always is.

Didn't care? More like behaving realisitically in a market that's already volatile and unprofitable for most of their competitors. :rolleyes:

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by thatwendigo
Ah, lovely... Thanks for the heads-up, oh anonymous benefactor.

Shard's covered a number of points that I think are entirely relevant to this discussion, and which will carry over well from what I've been saying in numerous discussions about the supposed G5 iMac. In essence, it is pro-level suicide for Apple to ignore the PowerBooks without making some kind of statement, only to put the newest processor into the consumer-level machine. Performance is strongly correlated with price, even in the PC world, and you're not going to see something as blazingly fast and newly designed as the G5 architecture just suddenly drop to some ridiculous price point. No matter how many times DHM and his cronies repeat that the G4 is slow, it's not going to change that Apple is probably still recouping losses for the research involved in supporting the new chips. In other words, keep dreaming on the G5 iMac, because it's either going to be a slow, slow, slow implementation of the chip (and thus not much faster than the G4), or it's going to cost a lot more than most of you are hoping for.

Ah, and now there's a little meat that hasn't been picked already.



Wasn't there a time, once, when Apple did have all-duals across the line? As much as I think that would rock, I don't know just how feasible it would be for them from a marketing and supply standpoint.

The second half of your comment is ridiculous, though. Of course Apple has to draw a line somewhere, or they'd be offering free processor upgrades to anyone who bought an LC ten years ago. Hate it all you want, but companies do have to set boundaries and follow those, or there's no end to how much the money leaks out drains them... That's just reality, cold and bitter as it always is.

Didn't care? More like behaving realisitically in a market that's already volatile and unprofitable for most of their competitors. :rolleyes:

About the second part of my comment, I meant that they didn't care how the SP owners felt when they upgraded the systems and the price got lowered... where as the DP 2.0 owners consist of what I've heard to be around 80% of the G5s purchased... so they'd be PO'ing a lot more mac owners with a 33% drop in price, especially the people who bought the systems around 2 weeks before they came out... that's all I meant.

Edit - If anything, I think Apple should be pushing for more than a DP 3.0 by the end of 2004... I was hoping for more like 3.5 GHz... (not to get into Moore's law, which really has more to do with die size anyways)

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by Dippo
2.6Ghz just wouldn't be enought for me. I am waiting for nothing less than 5.0Ghz Dual.

By the time they come out, I might actually be able to afford one. It sucks being a poor college student!

Heh heh - sucker - I'm waiting for the quad 12 GHz G7. Only a few more years... <rubs hands together in anticipation>

;) :cool:

[yamabushi]

Maybe Apple will release another limited edition Mac. How about a retro original Mac look in fashionable beige? Stick a G5 inside and sell it for $10,000. :D
http://mirror.theboxchildren.com/images/models/128k.gif

[GregA]

Originally posted by thatwendigo
In essence, it is pro-level suicide for Apple to ignore the PowerBooks without making some kind of statement, only to put the newest processor into the consumer-level machine. Performance is strongly correlated with price, even in the PC world, and you're not going to see something as blazingly fast and newly designed as the G5 architecture just suddenly drop to some ridiculous price point.Back when Mac's were all G4s, we were lucky, as our Laptops were very good value for money. On the Intel side, Laptops were a bigger drop in performance than we had.

It appears that we are in that situation now, with the Laptops not being ready for the big chips as available in desktops. It's actually kinda normal - new chips are hotter, takes a while to bring them to a laptop.

If Apple chooses NOT to release a G5 iMac when the chip price and design is ready, simply because of the laptops, then THAT is commercial suicide.

Take it one step further - "Sorry, we have an amazing machine ready to go, but unfortunately it's too good, makes our other products look bad, so management has decided to kill this one."

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by GregAussie
Back when Mac's were all G4s, we were lucky, as our Laptops were very good value for money. On the Intel side, Laptops were a bigger drop in performance than we had.

It appears that we are in that situation now, with the Laptops not being ready for the big chips as available in desktops. It's actually kinda normal - new chips are hotter, takes a while to bring them to a laptop.

If Apple chooses NOT to release a G5 iMac when the chip price and design is ready, simply because of the laptops, then THAT is commercial suicide.

Take it one step further - "Sorry, we have an amazing machine ready to go, but unfortunately it's too good, makes our other products look bad, so management has decided to kill this one."

How long after a G5 PB do you think it will take to see a G5 iMac? Just curious...

[contempt]

I always wondered how come Apple likes to make hardware announcements months before said product is ready to ship??? I've seen Dell make product announcement then they're ready for shipping in a week or so.

Just curious why they just don't wait and have the product on hand prior to the announcement. At least that wouldn't cause us to get excited, then pissed off that we'll have to wait three months before delivery.

[Chaszmyr]

Originally posted by contempt
I always wondered how come Apple likes to make hardware announcements months before said product is ready to ship??? I've seen Dell make product announcement then they're ready for shipping in a week or so.


Apple always releases these revolutionary big new things, so they like to keep them a secret until theyre announced (Cuz otherwise their competitors would start copying before they were announced! lol)

And in order to keep something much of a secret, it needs to be announced before it goes into production

[GregA]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
How long after a G5 PB do you think it will take to see a G5 iMac? Just curious... Not sure if you were asking me, since you were quoting my post.

Hopefully my post was clear - since I think the G5 iMac will come first, or simultaneously (the iMac is a small enclosure, it may have just as much heat problems as the Powerbook).

Imagine if a book store said "I'm not going to release the new thriller because it'll kill the sales of the old thriller". That works great if you're the only bookstore in town. If your customers can go to another shop you're in trouble.

[aswitcher]

Well 12 days to go before we have an answer I guess on the 20th Anniversary Mac... Think Secret got it most right last time so I am hoping they will come through soon with a rumor about what to expect so we can narrow down this debate about G5 iMacs (old or new form factor), versus G5 Cube, versus just PowerMac speed hikes... very disappointed if its only the later...

[iriejedi]

Praying every day for the new G5.1's but my fear is they are farther off than we hope. My insight has always come from monitoring cash rebate offeres on the Educational Pricing Site for Apple in the weeks leading up to a speed bump and the retail models a little closer to "D-Day". So far... no rebates....

Sigh - the fist mac that I'll pay cash for... and I am forced to wait....

Iriejedi

PS - However - Maybe Big Stevie J has caught on to me... and is even witholding those rebate clues....maybe...

The dream....dual 2.6 gig G5's, 1.5 gig RAM and a Radeon 9800 Pro 'special G5 edition' 256 megs of DDR....(www.ati.com).

[thedude]

two macs

8 procs

quad proc enterprise xserve

quad proc xstation with pro graphics (3dlabs)

redefining their "pro" line.

plus speed bumps to the current lineup

2, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6

my 2 cents :p

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by thedude
two macs

8 procs

quad proc enterprise xserve

quad proc xstation with pro graphics (3dlabs)


and then you woke up from your dream....

That won't happen.....

D

[iriejedi]

I'll refer to you as "Tha Man" instead of "the Dude" if you are right!


Assuming we see 2.6gig deals as the opper end how steady do people think Apple will be with theit $3k upper end price?

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
I wouldn't worry at all, even if the PMs do get upated in 2 weeks. The current PMs are amazing machines, and just because new ones will be announced in a couple weeks does not magically make your machine garbage, slow and useless. Pick up your PM and start enjoying it! If you keep waiting for the next best thing, you'll always be waiting!
Shard, you bastard. You almost convinced me not to wait and go buy one... Almost. ;)

[iriejedi]

I agree with Shard - but since I've just 'seriously' entered the market and since my current mac is a B/W G3 (with a 550 G4 upgrade)... I've waited this long and at least for me, a few more weeks won't hurt.

But I know I've said that for about 4 rounds of upgrades.... so only now can I afford the computer so that is the tipping point - but if I were a business and productivity was sub par - I'd not wait cause I agree the G5s out now are freaking amazing....

But when I consider the cost... I always chant to my self - Mac IIci $3200... Mac IIci $3200...Mac IIci $3200...Mac IIci $3200... makes me feel good about dropping $3k on this bad boy!

[DoktorFaust]

Well, just to add to the mix here, I'm returning my Dual 2.0 G5 and 23 inch display for a full refund.

I ordered on June 30th, received on October 1st, and have ever since then fighting with hardware problems that Apple can't seem to fix. I just got off the phone with Apple and confirmed that I wanted a refund (rather than a replacement + perks).

Statistically, these machine are supposed to be very good for a first revision -- but once bitten....

Of course, I will keep my money handy and wait for the next revision -- even if that takes another couple of months.... (though I'm crossing my fingers the revs will be this month!)

[iriejedi]

Just out of curiousity - what was the hardware problem.

This is the first incident I've heard of (albiet - I've not looked searched hard for anything negative about the G5s).

Iriejedi

[TranceClubMusic]

It seems that something is due very soon.
macmall.com & macconnection.com
All have lowered the price of the discontinued 1.8 below the price of the 1.6!!! They are all running $1,740.00
Seems like there is something behind this price drop.
I feel its because speed bumps are comming very very soon.
:eek:

[iriejedi]

I know this means I think way too much about the pending speed bumps - but since day dreaming and forum gossip boards are all I've got for now....

The other night I drempt clearly that the Apple store started offering the rebates for educational and retail price structures. The dream was so clear to the point that when I checked in the AM I was shocked, almost dissapointed. It was less waking knowing I had the dream but waking and knowing it was true. As if someone told me it was true.

Maybe it was more a vision vs a dream.....

[Squire]

That's hilarious! I just woke up from a dream that iLife '04 was available here. (Just checked. Not yet.)

Squire

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by iriejedi
I know this means I think way too much about the pending speed bumps - but since day dreaming and forum gossip boards are all I've got for now....

The other night I drempt clearly that the Apple store started offering the rebates for educational and retail price structures. The dream was so clear to the point that when I checked in the AM I was shocked, almost dissapointed. It was less waking knowing I had the dream but waking and knowing it was true. As if someone told me it was true.

Maybe it was more a vision vs a dream.....


I want some of what you took that night:cool:

[Frobozz]

Originally posted by thedude
two macs

8 procs

quad proc enterprise xserve

quad proc xstation with pro graphics (3dlabs)

redefining their "pro" line.

plus speed bumps to the current lineup

2, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6

my 2 cents :p

I think Apple will remain with 2 processor desktop machine no matter what. Not saying you were suggesting otherwise, but this got me thinking. I thought I would address it...

Apple will use xServe node machines at $2999 to add speed to a local computing network. Add in the power of the xGrid software and anyone can put together a mini supercomputer. Think about how nice it would be for 3D modeling and animation houses, etc. to have a rack devoted to rendering that they can seamlessly offload rendering tasks to.... sweet.

[DoktorFaust]

Originally posted by iriejedi
Just out of curiousity - what was the hardware problem.

Iriejedi -- Here's a close up of my problem: http://www.uoregon.edu/~jearly/monitorprob.jpg

Here's someone else with the same problem and a bunch of other screen shots:
http://homepage.mac.com/ianj/PhotoAlbum19.html

Basically, this 'blue noise' (other people have green noise) can cloud up the monitor, and even get so bad the monitor flickers on and off or just stays off. The folks at apple didn't think it was the monitor, so I had my video card, logic board, and two processors replaced. Of course, not all at once, and after one of the replacements the Apple hardware test said my logic board was hosed as well.... several people seem to have this noise problem, but it's hard to tell just how many....

There are other startup related problems people have, and even hard drive problems....

One never knows just how many people out of how many powermacs see such problems, so it's hard to say how bad it really is -- but there certainly are a few problems out there.

Jeffrey

[warmd]

after the wishlist rumors prior to macworld (come ON: dual 2.0, 2.2 & 2.6? i never thought that was plausible, AI), i don't dare to hope for too much on the 20th, BUT

i hope they sh*tcan that bottom machine, give it the full strength PCI and dual 1.6. They can even raise the price $100 and I'm sold! if they raise the middle machine to dual 2.0 and the top machine to 2.5 it's a pretty decent spread.

i'm afraid that may still be hoping for too much, though...

what i think does make some sense is that IBM and Apple's inventory of the older (120) 1.6 chips will really have little value once this generation of machines goes EOL, so why not double up on them? It might not cost them much more than a single 2.0ghz. Maybe the new chips will use a less-beefy heatsink as well, so the top two machines get that, and the bottom machine uses the old chips and heatsinks. clear out the parts bin! isn't that sorta what they did with the dual 450 G4's?

[GregA]

Originally posted by iriejedi
The other night I drempt clearly that the Apple store started offering the rebates for educational and retail price structures. The dream was so clear to the point that when I checked in the AM I was shocked, almost dissapointed. It was less waking knowing I had the dream but waking and knowing it was true. As if someone told me it was true.

Maybe it was more a vision vs a dream..... Our very own MacProphet ;)

[3.1416]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
I've been saying the same thing for months now. The iMac will not see a G5 until the PowerBooks either get a G5...I'm not saying Apple should cripple the iMacs
I'm confused, that seems to be exactly what you're saying. If Apple could produce G5 iMacs now, are you saying they should hold off on them until they can get a G5 in a PB?

Perhaps the iMac will move from the consumer level to more of a mid-grade level, between the eMac and the PM, become more powerful, but as a result, also more expensive - say $3000 or higher. (Just wild speculation here!)
Er, yeah :) The iMac is already solidly in the "high-end consumer" space (in price but not performance, which is why it needs the G5 yesterday). $3000 would be ludicrous, unless the towers got a lot more expensive, which would be a huge mistake.

[neonart]

What's that website were it shows the inventory left at Mac retailers?
That's sometimes a good indication of whats up next...

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
Shard, you bastard. You almost convinced me not to wait and go buy one... Almost. ;)

Hey, I try and be as much of a bastard as I can - it's so much fun! :cool:

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by 3.1416
I'm confused, that seems to be exactly what you're saying. If Apple could produce G5 iMacs now, are you saying they should hold off on them until they can get a G5 in a PB?

This is a little complicated. Number one, I don't think Apple has the G5 iMac quite ready yet regardless, but even if they did, there are a couple of factors which I think are reasonable reasons to hold it back just a little while. One of them is the G5 PowerBooks. Now, I'm not saying hold back the iMac forever, especially if heating issues are encountered with the PBs, but don't release it 6 months or more before the PBs. But secondly, even if the G5 iMac is ready to go, Apple has a lot of things on the go, and I could see them waiting just a little while to announce it. So much was announced at MWSF, they're still working on ITMS around the world, new LCDs, PM updates, who knows what else... All I'm saying is these things take time, and Apple probably has a "rollout schedule" of sorts for all their products. I see the G5 iMacs in a couple more months. But I could be wrong. ;)

Originally posted by 3.1416

Er, yeah :) The iMac is already solidly in the "high-end consumer" space (in price but not performance, which is why it needs the G5 yesterday). $3000 would be ludicrous, unless the towers got a lot more expensive, which would be a huge mistake.

Oh, I agree - as I said in my post, just crazy speculation. :cool:

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
This is a little complicated. Number one, I don't think Apple has the G5 iMac quite ready yet regardless, but even if they did, there are a couple of factors which I think are reasonable reasons to hold it back just a little while. One of them is the G5 PowerBooks. Now, I'm not saying hold back the iMac forever, especially if heating issues are encountered with the PBs, but don't release it 6 months or more before the PBs. But secondly, even if the G5 iMac is ready to go, Apple has a lot of things on the go, and I could see them waiting just a little while to announce it. If it's ready to go, then release it.. I can't imagine why you'd hold a product back. That doesn't make sense to me. You're going with the G5 in the future, the sooner the better. You've already announced that you're not going to throw the damn thing in a PowerBook because of heat concerns...

The sooner Apple ditches the G4 the better.

[aswitcher]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
If it's ready to go, then release it.. I can't imagine why you'd hold a product back. That doesn't make sense to me. You're going with the G5 in the future, the sooner the better. You've already announced that you're not going to throw the damn thing in a PowerBook because of heat concerns...

The sooner Apple ditches the G4 the better.

Amen

[macnews]

I'm more curious about when they will ship. It took a long time to ship the G5 2Ghz (due in part to VT). It wouldn't suprise me at all to see 2.5 or 2.6 Ghz G5's in a few weeks.

As for those of you who are dreaming about apple hardware and software, wow - perhaps you are spending too much time on these boards!

[wrldwzrd89]

Originally posted by macnews
I'm more curious about when they will ship. It took a long time to ship the G5 2Ghz (due in part to VT). It wouldn't suprise me at all to see 2.5 or 2.6 Ghz G5's in a few weeks.

That's great news, if true. I want to buy one of those! I'm hoping that the new PowerMac G5s ship within 1-2 weeks. That, for me, would be ideal.

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by Frobozz
Add in the power of the xGrid software and anyone can put together a mini supercomputer. Think about how nice it would be for 3D modeling and animation houses, etc. to have a rack devoted to rendering that they can seamlessly offload rendering tasks to.... sweet.
Who needs to put it together? Apple's already done that for you.

http://www.apple.com/xserve/cluster/wgcluster.html

Quote from apple.com:
"Do-It-Yourself Cluster
You don’t have to be a computer scientist to set up a fully functioning UNIX-based computational cluster. Apple has assembled the parts you need in one easy-to-set up, easy-to-use cluster powerhouse. In about 30 minutes you’ll be ready to run BLAST, HMMER, fasta and more from a powerful, easy-to-use Web interface — the setup process installs over 200 bioinformatics applications on your cluster. "

This is a key piece of their strategy to move units - prebuilt mini-supercomuters. That's why all the people whining about Steve's keynote address and how the xserve's didn't mean squat don't understand what Apple's up to. The G5's were already out - how many news articles would be written about a 10% speed bump?

Now mini supercomputers, on the other hand ...

[TranceClubMusic]

Question: Why in the World is Apple & Apple Resellers - Blowing Out SP 1.8 at prices lower than SP 1.6? Why would Apple Get rid of the 1.8 and keep the 1.6? Seems like the 1.6 should be blowing out, right? Whats the reason behind this thinking?
By the way, talked to a guy a works for Apple and he told me - NO WAY any New Processors ANY TIME this month. :( :confused: :confused:

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Question: Why in the World is Apple & Apple Resellers - Blowing Out SP 1.8 at prices lower than SP 1.6? Why would Apple Get rid of the 1.8 and keep the 1.6? Seems like the 1.6 should be blowing out, right? Whats the reason behind this thinking?
By the way, talked to a guy a works for Apple and he told me - NO WAY any New Processors ANY TIME this month. :( :confused: :confused: Well I talked to a guy from Apple and he said "YES WAY" to the announcement.

[iriejedi]

I talked to MYSELF and found out faster (or PHAT-er) G5 are coming at some point in the future.

[Nuc]

Originally posted by iriejedi
I talked to MYSELF and found out fater G5 are coming at some point in the future.

Now that is funny. I believe you have a 100 in 100 chance of getting that right :D

[maclamb]

Tranceclubmusic:

I tend to disagree for two reasons:
1. This from macosrumors:
Senior Apple personalities who have been roaming the show floor post-keynote have been overheard pointedly dropping hints of an Apple event later in the month that will update the PowerMac G5 and at least one other Mac along with it -- and the upgrades will be "even more ambitious than what the rumor sites would have you expect"....

2. I want to believe new ones will come out shortly ;-)

[gotohamish]

Originally posted by ryan
Apple store employees have no inside knowledge of future Apple products beyond what they read on the rumor sites. So your friend's, friend is getting their information from sites like this one and not some secret memo the employees get each week.

So true, I was at the Apple Store Soho for the live Keynote last night, and they employees were as surprised as we were, and they were whispering about prices, and they were surprised when SJ announced them too.

They're as in the dark as we are.

[Kilikopela]

This is my first post here and I am a future switcher. I have no idea what it is to be a mac head. I believe that apple will release a 2.2 and maybe the 2.4. Drop the SP 1.6 and make the DP 1.8 the base model and set back selling prices by 5-7% on the existing systems from what they are at now. It is difficult to say with apple. I work repairing Wintel machines at PC Club so this switch is a big thing for me. I have been on wondows/linux machines sne I was 11, I am 18 now. I am hoping that this G5 upgrade will happen because if it does I will be switching for sure. I just sold my car tonight to pay for a G5 but I am waiting to see what move apple is to make. also any word of Cinema Display updates too?

[maclamb]

I can't say I agree that the 1.8DP will be the bottom of the line w/ just a 7% drop in price
This would put the low end Mac PM at over $2K

[the future]

Originally posted by Kilikopela
This is my first post here and I am a future switcher. I have no idea what it is to be a mac head. ... I just sold my car tonight to pay for a G5 but I am waiting to see what move apple is to make.

Dude, selling your car to get a G5 *absolutely* qualifies you as a mac head! :) And you will not regret it!

[CalfCanuck]

Small Dog lists Jan. 20 as the inventory due date for their discount 1.8 Ghz units (spec'ed better than the more expensive 1.8 in stock), whereas all the other shipping units state number of days until delivery.

Just a coincidence that that's when they're receiving these "old" units?

http://www.smalldog.com/category/x/x/Power+Macintosh/g5+minitower/wag100/wag10000/

[sinisterdesign]

Originally posted by gotohamish
So true, I was at the Apple Store Soho for the live Keynote last night, and they employees were as surprised as we were, and they were whispering about prices, and they were surprised when SJ announced them too.

They're as in the dark as we are.

yeah, all these people keep saying, "i talked to some guy who works at the pretzel shop next to an Apple store in Podunk, Idaho & he said that G5 updates are fer'sure coming this month"...whatever.

i worked for Apple on the 1 Infinite Loop campus a couple years ago & unless you were WORKING on the project, you were just as surprised & delighted at Macworlds to see the new stuff coming out as everyone else. i don't see how a store manager could have any better info than the next person except maybe what products are in short supply, in which case you could make your best guess as to what's coming down the pike.

Apple is VERY tight-lipped on product updates & for good reason. i got to go to a meeting where it was me, my manager & Johnny Ive reviewing the website i designed (talk about nerve-racking). we were in the Green Valley 4 bldg (or whatever it's called, i've forgotten), where all the top-secret product design is done. there's no sign on the building, no lobby, you have to be let into the front door. most of the inside of the building is behind more walls & doors. you couldn't see crap worth of anything new or upcoming. so if someone at the local Apple store says they know what's coming, i think they're full of it. it's fun reading rumors & guessing what Apple is about to pull out of their hat, but the people that really know aren't going to say too much...

[wdlove]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
Well I talked to a guy from Apple and he said "YES WAY" to the announcement.

From what I have read on the forum, I don't put too much stock into what TranceClubMusic or pgwalsh found out from an Apple guy. Experience says that many don't know any more than anyone else. What we know for sure is the Steve said a lot more is coming in 2004. It has been 6 months since the G5 was introduced, so we are due for an upgrade. The 24th will be the 20th anniversary of the Mac. So clearly the upgrade is due shortly.

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by wdlove
From what I have read on the forum, I don't put too much stock into what TranceClubMusic or pgwalsh found out from an Apple guy. Experience says that many don't know any more than anyone else. What we know for sure is the Steve said a lot more is coming in 2004. It has been 6 months since the G5 was introduced, so we are due for an upgrade. The 24th will be the 20th anniversary of the Mac. So clearly the upgrade is due shortly. I was mocking TranceClubMusic and just kidding around... :rolleyes:

[iriejedi]

I was NOT kidding - I swear to Steve Jobs (aka God) I WAS talking to MYSELF one day in the mall that only had a Radio Shack store - no pretzle stand or surf city squeeze for Apple Execs to hang out at at let 'seekrits' fly..., and I guarantee it, swear a blood oath, and hope to have to go back to dial up internet connections and then die.... that there will be faster G5s in the future!

[jcormac]

Question-

If I were to go into an Apple Store this weekend and buy a dual 1.8, is there any sort of Apple-sponsored arrangement which would allow me to return or upgrade should the new PowerMacs come out in the near future?

I seem to remember seeing people discuss this recently, but I can't find references to it now.

My B/W G3 400 (with only max RAM and an extra FW card b/c of the crazy on-board FW ports, no G4 upgrade) is getting pretty long in the tooth, and I'd love to pick up the new 1.8 and not wait out the upgrades (yet still have some limited protection if there is an update soon).

Yes, I want to have my cake and eat it too.

[wrldwzrd89]

Originally posted by iriejedi
I was NOT kidding - I swear to Steve Jobs (aka God) I WAS talking to MYSELF one day in the mall that only had a Radio Shack store - no pretxle stand ot surf city squeeze for Apple Execs to hang out at at let seekrits fly..., and I guarantee it, swear a blood oath, and hope to have to go back to dial up internet connections and then die.... that there will be faster G5s in the future!

Hey iriejedi, what's up with the jumbled spelling and punctuation in this post? It's kind of hard to read for me. I agree that there will be faster G5s, but like everyone else have no idea exactly when they'll come.

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by jcormac
My B/W G3 400 (with only max RAM and an extra FW card b/c of the crazy on-board FW ports, no G4 upgrade) is getting pretty long in the tooth, and I'd love to pick up the new 1.8 and not wait out the upgrades (yet still have some limited protection if there is an update soon).
I would have PM'd this, but you have it turned off.

I have a BW G3 400 too and have Firewire Port issues.. What's the deal with this?

[TranceClubMusic]

Regardless of who knows whats comming up and who doesnt - really is pointless - My real question was why Apple would dump a 1.8 blow them out at under $1,500.00 (all over the Internet everyone is blowing them out at lower prices then 1.6) and KEEP the 1.6?? Isnt this backwards?? Shouldnt the 1.6 be on its death bed NOT the 1.8?? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[TranceClubMusic]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jcormac
[B]Question-

If I were to go into an Apple Store this weekend and buy a dual 1.8, is there any sort of Apple-sponsored arrangement which would allow me to return or upgrade should the new PowerMacs come out in the near future?


Make sure you get the "Apple Pro Card" this allows you to return a G5 for a full refund - and is great just incase any New G5's come out. Many people did this when they bought a SP 1.8 and then the DP 1.8 came out.

http://www.apple.com/retail/procard/

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Regardless of who knows whats comming up and who doesnt - really is pointless - My real question was why Apple would dump a 1.8 blow them out at under $1,500.00 (all over the Internet everyone is blowing them out at lower prices then 1.6) and KEEP the 1.6?? Isnt this backwards?? Shouldnt the 1.6 be on its death bed NOT the 1.8?? :confused: :confused: :confused:
Not if Apple has to clear out it's inventory of 1.8 CPUs.

There are contractual orders - Apple can't just ship back 10,000 CPUs that IBM manufactured esp. for them, saying, "oops, we didn't need them after all."

So they may have thought demand for 1.8 duals would be higher than it actually turned out to be, while having made a better estimation of 1.6 demand and thus not have such a glut of them in stock.

Hence if the low end for the new lineup is a 2.0, Apple will have to move all the "overstocked" CPU units - but there may be far less 1.6's to move than 1.8's.

[iriejedi]

I used a microsoft windows spell checker

[Mr Maui]

Who exactly is "blowing out" the single 1.8s at under $1500?

[DoktorFaust]

Originally posted by jcormac If I were to go into an Apple Store this weekend and buy a dual 1.8, is there any sort of Apple-sponsored arrangement which would allow me to return or upgrade should the new PowerMacs come out in the near future?

You get 10 days. If apple drops the price of something in that time, you can request the difference or you can return the product and get a new item if something came out.

It's documented on apple's website somewhere...

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Mr Maui
Who exactly is "blowing out" the single 1.8s at under $1500?


Sorry - they are all running $1,750.00 - still lower then the 1.6

www.macmall.com
www.macconnection.com

[CalfCanuck]

And while cheaper than the 1.6's they also include a 160 GB HD, while the 1.6's only include a 80 GB. (at least on Small Dog - see my earlier post where they show these units available on Jan. 20.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
And while cheaper than the 1.6's they also include a 160 GB HD, while the 1.6's only include a 80 GB. (at least on Small Dog - see my earlier post where they show these units available on Jan. 20.


I would be INSANE for any one to even consider a 1.6 - when the 1.8 is lower in price - thats a NO BRAINER!!
Just seems really odd for the 1.8 to be cheaper then a 1.6 - I know someone said about getting rid of too many 1.8 - but that doesnt jive cause Apple uese LOTS of 1.8's in the "DP" 1.8 (which is NOT been discontinued) Just seems backwards to me - 1.6 should be on its death bed NOT 1.8
Thats like Intel getting rid of the P4 3.0 but saving the P4 1.8

:confused: :confused:

[iriejedi]

go to Apple.com and look at the price for the G4s

This is insane - these should be like $1200



$1,924.00

Dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
2MB L3 cache/processor
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Mac OS 9 boot supported

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by iriejedi
go to Apple.com and look at the price for the G4s

This is insane - these should be like $1200



$1,924.00

Dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
2MB L3 cache/processor
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Mac OS 9 boot supported

HA HA HA - I tell you what is REALLY INSANE IS TO DISCONTINUE G5 1.8 AND STILL KEEP SELLING PM G4'S

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Who is in charge of pricing at Apple? I want what he is smokin :cool:

[Dont Hurt Me]

there's a sucker born everyday and Apple knows this.

[Kilikopela]

HAHahahah, Not to be political but Dont Hurt Me's signiture is the grounds to the road map to why america is falling apart.

[iriejedi]

I think what he is missing is that we will need someone to populate/teraform Mars! Why not the rookie citizens - always fun to haze the newbies!

Did anyone notice that Mars looks alot like Arizona - a few golf courses and some condos and it would make the ultimate retirement community - especially with the light gravity! 600 yard long drives and fewer broken hips!

I'll be ready to retire there once the first 18 hole course is finished! Me and my G9 and my hyperlink internet connection - I can see it now!

Tea - Earl Grey - hot!

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Just seems really odd for the 1.8 to be cheaper then a 1.6 - I know someone said about getting rid of too many 1.8 - but that doesnt jive cause Apple uese LOTS of 1.8's in the "DP" 1.8 (which is NOT been discontinued) Just seems backwards to me - 1.6 should be on its death bed NOT 1.8
As this thread discusses, there's a high likelihood that either both the 1.6 and 1.8 will be discontinued in a week, or else that the 1.8 will be discontinued and they'll drop the price of the 1.6 to keep it an "entry" level for $1500 or so.

The thing to remember is that you can't buy these 1.8's now - they're just announced to the mail order/web discounters but seem to be shipping after Jan. 20 ... (even though they can't officially discount, this is what all the free RAM, cases for laptops, free shipping. etc. really is all about)

[jcormac]

Thanks for the ProCard reference, I'll take a look.

As for the on-board FW ports on the B/W, this is a notorious problem which had a couple posts in Apple Support Discussions which went into the 100s about their unreliability. Seemed easier to just spend the minimal amount for a PCI firewire card.

[redeye]

Dear Lord, pleeeease let it be so.

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
HA HA HA - I tell you what is REALLY INSANE IS TO DISCONTINUE G5 1.8 AND STILL KEEP SELLING PM G4'S

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Who is in charge of pricing at Apple? I want what he is smokin :cool: Funny, but the G5's don't run classic and the G4's do and there's plenty of publishing houses using the old OS. Apple knows this and will suck every last penny they can..

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by jcormac
Thanks for the ProCard reference, I'll take a look.

As for the on-board FW ports on the B/W, this is a notorious problem which had a couple posts in Apple Support Discussions which went into the 100s about their unreliability. Seemed easier to just spend the minimal amount for a PCI firewire card. Ah... Mine worked under OS 9, but died when I upgraded to Jaguar. Even weirder is that they still will charge up my iPod, but I can sync the iPod. MF

[invaLPsion]

They posted an interesting bit about the upcoming powermac updates. Their release date is the 24th (the anniversary) at speeds of single 2 ghz, dual 2.3 ghz, and dual 2.6 ghz. They also hinted at a 20th Anniversary iMac.:)

[maclamb]

http://macosrumors.com/ just posted a bit more about the upcoming G5s

[sventvkg]

Originally posted by Squire
Fortunately (or unfortunately), my 17" iMac suits all my desktop needs. I really need a new laptop, though. The smaller, the better, as far as I'm concerned. I hope that they throw the G5 in all three PowerBooks and not just the big two.

Squire

I agree there is a BIG movement towards laptops as Desktop replacements in the Audio world i'm in and i'm in desperate need of a G5 Powerbook to go along with Apple's New pro audio app,...IF they don't release the G5 ina notebook before Q2 they will be incredibly behind the power curve with their notbook line and my guess is, they know that.....If they are insane enough to wait to release a new powerbook i'll have to go with a used G4 PB until the new ones come out...

[sethypoo]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
Funny, but the G5's don't run classic and the G4's do and there's plenty of publishing houses using the old OS. Apple knows this and will suck every last penny they can..

Is it completely impossible for the G5's to run classic? Or just not installed on the hardware?

[iriejedi]

While I'm not the expert - OS X runs classic without a doubt - but some applications require OS 9 and here in lies the money making issue for Apple. Companies that refuse to accept the future is OS X are forced to buy these moth balled Macs and thus pay through the nose for them. Cause like old crappy furniture - they are antiques!

My last company a biotech pharma company is mac based and their chemical compound database is not OS X friendly so THEY are the ones paying more for a G4 than a G5 and 'I laugh and I laugh' cause I hate them!

Irie

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by iBot
Because the 90nm chips radiate less heat, maybe the PowerMac enclosure will get an update at some point this year (probably later, rather than sooner, because it would be a huge development expense to change the design of the box). The current G5 towers are jam-packed with cooling fans. Perhaps cooler chips will bring a smaller form factor. After all, Apple did manage to cram the new 90nm chips into those skinny X-serves.
Remember that they are going to up the frequencies too, and that might offset the benefits of the 90nm process...

If they keep the same frequencies as the current PMG5 line-up, as they did with the XServe G5 (and let's hope that's the case for a new consumer Mac), then obviously there is less need for cooling...
But that's not gonna be the case with PowerMacs (or they would face a lot of pissed off mac users...).

[Atomac]

Originally posted by JoeRadar
Actually, I am pretty surprised at how little Apple store reps know about anything. Whenever I ask our local Apple store reps a question, they are almost always wrong. Apple needs to step up their training.

I think that if Apple told their "reps" more than they told the public then these sites would be overflowing with rather accurate news rather than quotes. As for almost always being wrong...we're all human, right?

[Atomac]

Originally posted by JoeRadar
Actually, I am pretty surprised at how little Apple store reps know about anything. Whenever I ask our local Apple store reps a question, they are almost always wrong. Apple needs to step up their training.

I think that if Apple told their "reps" more than they told the public then these sites would be overflowing with rather accurate news rather than quotes. As for almost always being wrong...we're all human, right?

With regards to the G5 topic. Will there be a G5 iMac. If we look at history then we must ask the question "How long after the introduction of the G4 was the G4 iMac introduced?" By my reckoning it was at least 18 months to 2 years.

I just hope that the 20th anniversary Mac is better that the last attempt.

:)

[wrldwzrd89]

Originally posted by Atomac
I think that if Apple told their "reps" more than they told the public then these sites would be overflowing with rather accurate news rather than quotes. As for almost always being wrong...we're all human, right?

With regards to the G5 topic. Will there be a G5 iMac. If we look at history then we must ask the question "How long after the introduction of the G4 was the G4 iMac introduced?" By my reckoning it was at least 18 months to 2 years.

I just hope that the 20th anniversary Mac is better that the last attempt.

:)
There is an 'edit post' function you can use if you've posted but later realize you have more to say. Look in the lower-right corner of your posts - you should see two buttons, one marked 'edit' and the other 'quote'. 'Edit' is what you want in this case. 'Quote' is used to quote other people's posts in your reply.

[TranceClubMusic]

If the iMac was too have a G5 - what would separate it from the PM G5? :confused:

[iriejedi]

lack of expandability

[TranceClubMusic]

A G5 iMac with 20" Screen and 128mb Video Card would be a GREAT Game & Video Editing Machine!

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
A G5 iMac with 20" Screen and 128mb Video Card would be a GREAT Game & Video Editing Machine! That would be a great Machine.. I'm hoping to see the "Rumored" iMac update. Should be interesting when that date rolls around.

[ionas]

You think the prices for the 2.0 2.3 and 2.6 models will be about the same like the prices for the 1,6 1,8d and 2,0d?

maybe the lowest model will be just a bit more expensive.

will the mid and highend model stay like that - or will it be a bit more expensive or even a lot?

[iriejedi]

Mac OS Rumors.com says the 24th is the big press day... but seriously I can not recall Apple ever doing anything on a Saturday.
My vote is for the 20th a Tuesday.

Why? - because for a fact I know it is sooner than any other date after it!

[MattG]

It'd be neat if on the 24th, Apple released a new G5 with insane specs. Dual 2.6ghz processors, 1.3ghz FSB (is that possible?), etc. That'll make the Mac-bashers real quiet real quick.

[Downdivx]

What if the 1.6PM & 1.8 became a smaller form factor and then faster dualies in the big Powermac. Though I don't remember Apple every having two Powermac cases at the same time...

W

[invaLPsion]

Originally posted by Downdivx
What if the 1.6PM & 1.8 became a smaller form factor and then faster dualies in the big Powermac. Though I don't remember Apple every having two Powermac cases at the same time...

W

What about the cube?:D

[biaachmonkie]

Apple needs to introduce a Single Processor model the "Macintosh G5" and make the "POWER Macintosh G5" all dual CPU.


Macintosh G5
---
2.0Ghz - MacG5 - $1100
2.2Ghz - MacG5 - $1300
2.4Ghz - MacG5 - $1500

POWER Macintosh G5
---
2x2.2Ghz - MacG5 - $2000
2x2.4Ghz - MacG5 - $2300
2x2.6Ghz - MacG5 - $2700

Something in line with that, lower priced single cpu systems in a lower cost case to promote unit sales growth, make them cost less and more people will buy them.

Apple seems to always talk about wanting to grow market share but never prices their products to actually do it. Apple has a lot of good buzz going now, lots of people have a good general feeling towards them even though the've never bought their products before, now is the time to try to make a market share move, and to do that apple needs to get prices down, and offer products more in line with what people are buying...

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by biaachmonkie
Apple needs to introduce a Single Processor model the "Macintosh G5" and make the "POWER Macintosh G5" all dual CPU.


Macintosh G5
---
2.0Ghz - MacG5 - $1100
2.2Ghz - MacG5 - $1300
2.4Ghz - MacG5 - $1500

POWER Macintosh G5
---
2x2.2Ghz - MacG5 - $2000
2x2.4Ghz - MacG5 - $2300
2x2.6Ghz - MacG5 - $2700

Something in line with that, lower priced single cpu systems in a lower cost case to promote unit sales growth, make them cost less and more people will buy them.

Apple seems to always talk about wanting to grow market share but never prices their products to actually do it. Apple has a lot of good buzz going now, lots of people have a good general feeling towards them even though the've never bought their products before, now is the time to try to make a market share move, and to do that apple needs to get prices down, and offer products more in line with what people are buying... I totally see what you mean, but then the computers compete directly with the iMacs and you also have a lot of products within the same product line.

[aswitcher]

Originally posted by invaLPsion
What about the cube?:D

Fine by me :) + with new screen form factor

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
Funny, but the G5's don't run classic and the G4's do and there's plenty of publishing houses using the old OS. Apple knows this and will suck every last penny they can..

You need to be more specific with your language.

G5's won't boot into OS 9. G5's will run Classic.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86209 - Note the G5 is not the only machine on this list. There are some G4 based machines there, too, including the last PowerMac G4s.

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
You need to be more specific with your language.

G5's won't boot into OS 9. G5's will run Classic.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86209 - Note the G5 is not the only machine on this list. There are some G4 based machines there, too, including the last PowerMac G4s. That's what I meant and I stand corrected.

[Photorun]

Originally posted by biaachmonkie
Apple needs to introduce a Single Processor model the "Macintosh G5" and make the "POWER Macintosh G5" all dual CPU.


Macintosh G5
---
2.0Ghz - MacG5 - $1100
2.2Ghz - MacG5 - $1300
2.4Ghz - MacG5 - $1500

POWER Macintosh G5
---
2x2.2Ghz - MacG5 - $2000
2x2.4Ghz - MacG5 - $2300
2x2.6Ghz - MacG5 - $2700

Something in line with that, lower priced single cpu systems in a lower cost case to promote unit sales growth, make them cost less and more people will buy them.

Apple seems to always talk about wanting to grow market share but never prices their products to actually do it. Apple has a lot of good buzz going now, lots of people have a good general feeling towards them even though the've never bought their products before, now is the time to try to make a market share move, and to do that apple needs to get prices down, and offer products more in line with what people are buying...

I agree with everything except those prices will never happen for the lower end and/or those machines UNLESS you mean those are consumer machines like iMac or even eMac. It's good to have product seperation, consumer, prosumer, and pro user, it's what helped Apple streamline their products and regain profitability, I wouldn't want to see it any other way.

[rdowns]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
If the iMac was too have a G5 - what would separate it from the PM G5? :confused:

single vs dual processors
processor speed
amount of RAM you could install
expansion slots
video card
firewire 800

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by rdowns
single vs dual processors
processor speed
amount of RAM you could install
expansion slots
video card
firewire 800


Is there anything Firewire 800? Seems like the "Firewire" hasnt taken off on the PC or Mac Market - I think its a dying breed.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Photorun
I agree with everything except those prices will never happen for the lower end and/or those machines UNLESS you mean those are consumer machines like iMac or even eMac. It's good to have product seperation, consumer, prosumer, and pro user, it's what helped Apple streamline their products and regain profitability, I wouldn't want to see it any other way.

I disagree with ALL of you. The PC Market doesnt have these problems of Consumer Line Seperations. Just have the iMac and PowerMac - Drop the eMac.

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Is there anything Firewire 800? Seems like the "Firewire" hasnt taken off on the PC or Mac Market - I think its a dying breed.

On the contrary, FireWire is the future, which is still being adopted - more and more so. Apple has always been in front of new tehnology like FW - remember USB? I remember when Apple's had USB ports standard and the PC world was still wondering if "this USB thing" would catch on, and it was a good couple years after Apple had made it commonplace on their machines that PCs started to do the same. Same with the SuperDrive - when did Apple introduce their all-in-one DVD burner, and then when did we finally see the SuperDrive-equivalents in PCs?

As for FireWire, it's becoming more and mroe adopted, but FW800 is still not utilized very much - FW400 is definitely becoming more and more popular though, what with DV cams and high-end digital cameras, and I completely disagree with you when you say the FW is a dying breed.

[ionas]

the eMac is great
its cheap and offers all normal office/internet peeps need.

the imac is what noone needs, but its looks great!

i would continue both lines until CRT monitors are totally out of date,
then i would set 4 or 5 imac models (that represent the old emac and the current imacs at that time)

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
On the contrary, FireWire is the future, which is still being adopted - more and more so. Apple has always been in front of new tehnology like FW - remember USB? I remember when Apple's had USB ports standard and the PC world was still wondering if "this USB thing" would catch on, and it was a good couple years after Apple had made it commonplace on their machines that PCs started to do the same. Same with the SuperDrive - when did Apple introduce their all-in-one DVD burner, and then when did we finally see the SuperDrive-equivalents in PCs?

As for FireWire, it's becoming more and mroe adopted, but FW800 is still not utilized very much - FW400 is definitely becoming more and more popular though, what with DV cams and high-end digital cameras, and I completely disagree with you when you say the FW is a dying breed.

IEEE1394 (which is called Firewire in Apple) has NOT taken off for the main stream - and its been around for years now. Most in the Manufacturing (those who make Video Cameras and Hard Drives) industry disagree with you and see USB 2.0 as the standard. Look at PC's with like 500 USB 2.0 Ports and maybe ONE IEEE1394 Port - theres a reason for it - So I dont see FW800 even comming close to a standard (for the main stream population) In regards to USB - I disagree with you there - Remeber how everyone was jumping up and down that FINALLY Apple put USB 2.0 on the PMG5?? I dont consider that to be an "innovator" in product lines. Dont get me wrong - I love Mac - not bashing - just being honest - some people see Apple as "Never can do wrong and always on top" - but in the case of Firewire - it just hasne taken off - PERIOD.
My opinion is that the USB technology will get faster.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by ionas
the eMac is great
its cheap and offers all normal office/internet peeps need.

the imac is what noone needs, but its looks great!

i would continue both lines until CRT monitors are totally out of date,
then i would set 4 or 5 imac models (that represent the old emac and the current imacs at that time)

I have to agree with you there - iMac is what noone needs LOL

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
IEEE1394 (which is called Firewire in Apple) has NOT taken off for the main stream - and its been around for years now. Most in the Manufacturing (those who make Video Cameras and Hard Drives) industry disagree with you and see USB 2.0 as the standard. Look at PC's with like 500 USB 2.0 Ports and maybe ONE IEEE1394 Port - theres a reason for it - So I dont see FW800 even comming close to a standard (for the main stream population) In regards to USB - I disagree with you there - Remeber how everyone was jumping up and down that FINALLY Apple put USB 2.0 on the PMG5?? I dont consider that to be an "innovator" in product lines. Dont get me wrong - I love Mac - not bashing - just being honest - some people see Apple as "Never can do wrong and always on top" - but in the case of Firewire - it just hasne taken off - PERIOD.
My opinion is that the USB technology will get faster.

Professionaal industry uses FW devices more than you realize. Not saying USB isn't currently more popular, but FW is being used more and more whether you realize it or not. And yes I realize FW is IEEE1394. Being an Electronics Engineer I have worked with more IEEE standards hands-on than you have probably even heard of. :p

As for if it will become more mainstream and become "the next big thing", I guess time will tell. :cool:

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Professionaal industry uses FW devices more than you realize. Not saying USB isn't currently more popular, but FW is being used more and more whether you realize it or not. And yes I realize FW is IEEE1394. Being an Electronics Engineer I have worked with more IEEE standards hands-on than you have probably even heard of. :p

As for if it will become more mainstream and become "the next big thing", I guess time will tell. :cool:


I think "time" has already told :rolleyes:

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I think "time" has already told :rolleyes:

Fair enough - everyone is entitled to their opinion. :cool:

[CalfCanuck]

While this discussion may verge on being off topic, I think that FW did miss the window for being widespread on consumer boxes. Why it did that is probably the more relevent question - I'm not sure if there were any license fees (because I thought it was an industry standard), or if the addidtional cost of FW ports just made most PC makers stick to USB only.

Now that USB 2 has come along, it seems that there will be even fewer consumer PC's with the FW interface - many external HD's now ship with both FW and USB2, so the PC manufacturers will have even less incentive to include FW. If they made users get by with the slow USB, how can these same people complain about only having the faster USB 2.

I know that FW 800 (I have an external drive) does have twice the theoretical speed, but the HDs themselves are still below regular FW speeds. I did see a review in Macworld on these drives from Nov. 2003, that showed that when duplicating files INSIDE an external FW 800 drive the speed increase was about 30%, but that was the largest increase.

As for the use of FW on digital cameras, I wonder if it isn't driven by 2 things: first, wasn't Sony (a huge DV maker) one of the parties, like Apple, with an interest in pushing FW? They seem to be the only PC maker besides Apple that has IEEE1394 ports as standard. And secondly, the 4-pin FW port appears much smaller than comparable USB ports, so given the push to make the DV devices as small as possible this might have also driven it's adoption in DV.

I also agree that FW's success with DV will probably NOT continue to grow with other devices. Besides HDs, I don't see many groups of devices that use FW. Almost no printers, a minority of scanners even given the HUGE speed hit with the origianl USB (granted, high end ones use FW, but with USB2 out this will decrease), and very limited ussage even in tape back-up devices.

edited for spelling mistakes, so everyone won't laugh too hard;)

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I think "time" has already told :rolleyes: I'm seeing FireWire used in stereo product more and more.. Makes sense. I just wish they's move faster. It would be nice to have one wire instead of audio and video cables etc. Waste of money with all those connections.,

[GregA]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
I'm seeing FireWire used in stereo product more and more.. Makes sense. I just wish they's move faster. It would be nice to have one wire instead of audio and video cables etc. Waste of money with all those connections., I've seen many new Video cameras with USB2 and Firewire ports.

Ignoring speed (since that's something that will have them leapfrogging for a time) and uptake on PCs - what are the advantages of each?

My understanding is that
1. there are no licence fees for USB2 (Intel gives it away) and $2 (or so) for Firewire (a couple of years back).
2. USB works for devices connected to a computer, whereas Firewire allows devices to speak together WITHOUT having a computer to control them (which is great for connecting all your stereo devices)

Can anyone help?

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
While this discussion may verge on being off topic, I think that FW did miss the window for being widespread on consumer boxes. Why it did that is probably the more relevent question - I'm not sure if there were any license fees (because I thought it was an industry standard), or if the addidtional cost of FW ports just made most PC makers stick to USB only.

Now that USB 2 has come along, it seems that there will be even fewer consumer PC's with the FW interface - many external HD's now ship with both FW and USB2, so the PC manufacturers will have even less incentive to include FW. If they made users get by with the slow USB, how can these same people complain about only having the faster USB 2.

I know that FW 800 (I have an external drive) does have twice the theoretical speed, but the HDs themselves are still below regular FW speeds. I did see a review in Macworld on these drives from Nov. 2003, that showed that when duplicating files INSIDE an external FW 800 drive the speed increase was about 30%, but that was the largest increase.

As for the use of FW on digital cameras, I wonder if it isn't driven by 2 things: first, wasn't Sony (a huge DV maker) one of the parties, like Apple, with an interest in pushing FW? They seem to be the only PC maker besides Apple that has IEEE1394 ports as standard. And secondly, the 4-pin FW port appears much smaller than comparable USB ports, so given the push to make the DV devices as small as possible this might have also driven it's adoption in DV.

I also agree that FW's success with DV will probably NOT continue to grow with other devices. Besides HDs, I don't see many groups of devices that use FW. Almost no printers, a minority of scanners even given the HUGE speed hit with the origianl USB (granted, high end ones use FW, but with USB2 out this will decrease), and very limited ussage even in tape back-up devices.

edited for spelling mistakes, so everyone won't laugh too hard;)


Thank you sooooooooooooo much! Finally someone that makes sense! I agree with you 100% - Firewire is on its way to its Death Bed - Apple just got it wrong with FW 400 or even worse 800.
PM G5's need more USB 2.0 ports not FW anything.

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by GregAussie
I've seen many new Video cameras with USB2 and Firewire ports.

Ignoring speed (since that's something that will have them leapfrogging for a time) and uptake on PCs - what are the advantages of each?

My understanding is that
1. there are no licence fees for USB2 (Intel gives it away) and $2 (or so) for Firewire (a couple of years back).
2. USB works for devices connected to a computer, whereas Firewire allows devices to speak together WITHOUT having a computer to control them (which is great for connecting all your stereo devices)

Can anyone help? Apple used to licence firewire, but no longer does. If you use the term FireWire, there's a fee, othwise there's no fee.

You're correct with how usb and firewire work. Firewire is more flexible with connections than USB1 or 2. I do think Apple made a mistake with firewire 800. They should have made the connectors the same and made it backwards compatible.. That's where Intel made the correct decision.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
Apple used to licence firewire, but no longer does. If you use the term FireWire, there's a fee, othwise there's no fee.

...

Are you sure about that? Last I heard, the IEEE group had adopted Firewire as the common name for 1394 and there was no licensing fee associated with its use.

http://www.1394ta.org/license/index.html

The 1394 Trade Association’s FireWire or i.LINK trademarks and icons must each be licensed separately for use by third-parties. There is currently no licensing fee for either.

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Thank you sooooooooooooo much! Finally someone that makes sense! I agree with you 100%

Pardon me while I chuckle - you see that someone has agreed with you so you jump on his post with the attitude of "see, see, I was right! Haha." Sorry, just find that amusing... :cool:

And then you go on to say "finally someone who makes sense". So anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't make sense. Nice one. :p

You could very well be right about FW + USB by the way - but you won't ever hear me saying that you don't make sense if you ever have an alternate point of view to mine. :)

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Are you sure about that? Last I heard, the IEEE group had adopted Firewire as the common name for 1394 and there was no licensing fee associated with its use.

http://www.1394ta.org/license/index.html I stand correct by your arse again. Obviously I haven't kept up with the licencing, but that is how it was done a few years ago.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
I stand correct by your arse again. Obviously I haven't kept up with the licencing, but that is how it was done a few years ago.

;)

It's tough to keep up these days.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Pardon me while I chuckle - you see that someone has agreed with you so you jump on his post with the attitude of "see, see, I was right! Haha." Sorry, just find that amusing... :cool:

And then you go on to say "finally someone who makes sense". So anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't make sense. Nice one. :p

You could very well be right about FW + USB by the way - but you won't ever hear me saying that you don't make sense if you ever have an alternate point of view to mine. :)


The Box of Kleenex Tissues is on Isle 10 :D

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
The Box of Kleenex Tissues is on Isle 10 :D

I wasn't laughing so hard I was crying, but it's the thought that counts. ;)

[ffakr]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I disagree with ALL of you. The PC Market doesnt have these problems of Consumer Line Seperations. Just have the iMac and PowerMac - Drop the eMac.
Apple didn't create the eMac as a low end consumer machine. Apple made the eMac an education only computer (because they keep very close ties with edu and they always seek feedback regarding what they want).
It was the consumer that demanded the eMac, not Apple that pushed the eMac on the consumer.

Apple would be remarkably stupid (even by classic Apple standards) to drop the eMac at this point.

[ffakr]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Thank you sooooooooooooo much! Finally someone that makes sense! I agree with you 100% - Firewire is on its way to its Death Bed - Apple just got it wrong with FW 400 or even worse 800.
PM G5's need more USB 2.0 ports not FW anything.

so, what exactly do you base the death of FW on? You are so confident, I'm sure you have a good reason to predict the death of FW.

Is it fact the FW is faster than USB and USB2?
Is it the fact that USB is better for 'bursty' traffic, but that is isn't designed streaming large amounts of data? (that is, it's great for mice, but not great for streaming video)
Is it the fact that a USB device can't manage a bus on its own?

Even the official USB trade group used to admit on their site that FW400 was faster at transfering video than USB2 480Mbit. They've since pulled that ;-) but you can find supporting info from quite a few sources.

What you don't understand is that different technologies are designed to solve different problems.
USB is lower cost and it's designed for bursty traffic.
FireWire is slightly more expensive, but it's designed for high speed sustained data transfer (drives, raids, uncompressed video).

Firewire isn't going away. It will be included on machines that require it but your bargin PC won't have FW, hmn.. just like today. Macs will continue to ship with it for a LONG time as with other machines that need superior external I/O.

[GregA]

Originally posted by ffakr
Even the official USB trade group used to admit on their site that FW400 was faster at transfering video than USB2 480Mbit. They've since pulled that ;-) but you can find supporting info from quite a few sources.. For that we need someone with a computer and device that BOTH support USB2 & Firewire...

Anyone got a G5 and an iPod? or a G5 and an external disk that supports both USB2 & Firewire? Can you time a transfer using each?

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by ffakr
What you don't understand is that different technologies are designed to solve different problems. USB is lower cost and it's designed for bursty traffic.
FireWire is slightly more expensive, but it's designed for high speed sustained data transfer (drives, raids, uncompressed video).

Firewire isn't going away. It will be included on machines that require it but your bargin PC won't have FW, hmn.. just like today. Macs will continue to ship with it for a LONG time as with other machines that need superior external I/O.
Yes, I'd definitely agree with this as well - there is a compelling case for FW at the high end and it will be around for a while. (Not that it's exactly the same example, but one can even still buy SCSI devices! And I for one was only too glad to trash all my old SCSI and the ongoing conflicts I used to have.)

My original post about USB 2 vs FW, however, was addressing the question of whether FW will continue to grow at the expense of USB. As I stated, I think the development of USB 2 really will limit FW in many markets, and probably rightly so. Why should we pay more for a printer (for example) that duplicates ports? Better to spend the money where FW gives a real benefit, such as in DV applications.

[Atomac]

I think that eMacs are going to go out of issue. I heard that the eMac only came about because Apple had a plethora of CRT screens purchased to make a new iMac but decided to go with LCD in the end because prices of LCD dropped.

Now Apple is nearly through it's CRT back log I think the eMac will go.

This is a shame as it really is a great machine for education and SOHO. They are old tech though 133 Mhz RAM, no USB 2.

Will Apple build a G5 iMac. As I said before history tells us no...but then technology improves exponentially. Some one else mentioned the idea of single CPU G5 iMacs and all dual PowerMacs. Why not? The iMac is definately more that it was.

[Squire]

Originally posted by Atomac
I think that eMacs are going to go out of issue. I heard that the eMac only came about because Apple had a plethora of CRT screens purchased to make a new iMac but decided to go with LCD in the end because prices of LCD dropped.

Now Apple is nearly through it's CRT back log I think the eMac will go.

So, let me get this straight: you think every eMac made in the last few years was a result of Apple having a bunch of extra CRT displays kicking around a warehouse? I kind of doubt it. (That's not meant to sound snarky, by the way.)

On the contrary, I thought the eMac was doing quite well. If the people on these forums are indicative of the general consumer, they're a nice machine. If Apple wants to continue supplying computers to schools- especially elementary schools- the eMac's CRT is quite a selling point.

But, then again, we never really know for sure what Apple is going to do.

Squire

[ffakr]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
My original post about USB 2 vs FW, however, was addressing the question of whether FW will continue to grow at the expense of USB. As I stated, I think the development of USB 2 really will limit FW in many markets, and probably rightly so. Why should we pay more for a printer (for example) that duplicates ports? Better to spend the money where FW gives a real benefit, such as in DV applications.
I don't think that FW was ever displacing USB. They fit different roles. USB2, however, will eat into the portable drive niche because the logic (controllers) are cheaper and because USB2 is pervasive.
That doesn't mean that I'd want to run a RAID on it, or even do DV[ideo] on USB2.

I think printers are a good example of devices that should embrace USB[2] and not worry about FW.
There should always be a market for FW hard drives and FW will remain the best serial i/o for digital video. I don't see USB2 displacing FW on DV cameras in any significant way. Not only is it a superior technology for these uses, but the ability of FW devices to control the bus and their own transfers is actually usefull in these situations.

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by Squire
So, let me get this straight: you think every eMac made in the last few years was a result of Apple having a bunch of extra CRT displays kicking around a warehouse? I kind of doubt it. (That's not meant to sound snarky, by the way.)

On the contrary, I thought the eMac was doing quite well. If the people on these forums are indicative of the general consumer, they're a nice machine. If Apple wants to continue supplying computers to schools- especially elementary schools- the eMac's CRT is quite a selling point.

But, then again, we never really know for sure what Apple is going to do.

Squire I agree. The eMac is a good all in, no fusss, machine. It's based of the original iMac, which was based of the original Mac. If anything, apple can lower the prices and allow for lower income, schools, and families to buy macs for their kids.. I bet those emacs are a lot more rugged than the new iMacs. If Apple could bust out a $600 eMac with a 1.6 G5, the'd be rockin... add an option for a super drive.

[Photorun]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Thank you sooooooooooooo much! Finally someone that makes sense! I agree with you 100% - Firewire is on its way to its Death Bed - Apple just got it wrong with FW 400 or even worse 800.
PM G5's need more USB 2.0 ports not FW anything.

Yawn. Why even reply to a post so inane. Death bed... oh-kay, sure, right. Betcha you're one of those that predicts Apple's death year to year to year as well. Love people like you though, without which, we'd have nobody to prove wrong time and time again.

[SouthPaW]

UPDATE! More proof of pending PowerMac G5 Updates!

If you'll visit this link: http://www.apple.com/games/hardware/
and scroll down to "The Ultimate Gamer", it clearly shows under suggested specs. a ***256MB*** Radeon 9800 Pro, which obvisously isn't available *yet* from Apple...I guess we'll see soon enough!

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by SouthPaW
UPDATE! More proof of pending PowerMac G5 Updates!

If you'll visit this link: http://www.apple.com/games/hardware/
and scroll down to "The Ultimate Gamer", it clearly shows under suggested specs. a ***256MB*** Radeon 9800 Pro, which obvisously isn't available *yet* from Apple...I guess we'll see soon enough! I thought ATI announced this? Maybe I just read it somewhere else in the forums... But that is the first time I've seen it on the Apple website... Not that I look at the website much.

Edit: Here ya go: http://www.macminute.com/2004/01/16/ati

[SouthPaW]

Yeah, ATI announced it ONLY as a retail version (so far) and Apple doesn't typically list things on their own website in suggested specs. that you can't purchase directly from them, most usually as BTO options.

[dashiel]

firewire is the basis of the HAVi groupHAVi group (http://www.havi.org/) a consortium of electronics developers (sony, mitsubishi and 6 others i can't recall) determined to produce a new singe wire home A/V standard.

the concept is you run one firewire cable from your cable box to your dvd player, to your receiver, to your TV, daisy chain style. plug in one device to a wall socket, and that single wire transmits data and power.

the other concept of HAVi, despite single wire, is to have a unified GUI, where you plugin a new HDDVD player, and your television (which would act as the primary UI) detects the new device and puts an access icon on the screen and already knows all of it's capabilities. what's more the API is java so anyone who can write JAVA can create new UI's for their devices.

there's actually a really good book out there calle HAVi example by example, where they take you through building a TiVO like time shift application.

so you see firewire as a standard isn't dead, there is just a huge amount of effort in having new devices not only support firewire in hardware, but also have the software and discoverability aspects complete as well. from what i have read many in the HAVi consortium are waiting for the third generation of firewire, because it supports greater distance of cable.

USB just isn't meant to do any of that, it's a simple low bandwidth bus architecture that has been forced to become high bandwidth to satiate peoples "need for speed" and combat firewire (see we're faster than firewire!).

btw mitsubishi and rca already have several televisions and VCRs with HAVi compliance, sony's playstation has a 1394 connection and all DVcameras too.

[wrldwzrd89]

Originally posted by dashiel
firewire is the basis of the HAVi groupHAVi group (http://www.havi.org/) a consortium of electronics developers (sony, mitsubishi and 6 others i can't recall) determined to produce a new singe wire home A/V standard.

the concept is you run one firewire cable from your cable box to your dvd player, to your receiver, to your TV, daisy chain style. plug in one device to a wall socket, and that single wire transmits data and power.

the other concept of HAVi, despite single wire, is to have a unified GUI, where you plugin a new HDDVD player, and your television (which would act as the primary UI) detects the new device and puts an access icon on the screen and already knows all of it's capabilities. what's more the API is java so anyone who can write JAVA can create new UI's for their devices.

there's actually a really good book out there calle HAVi example by example, where they take you through building a TiVO like time shift application.

so you see firewire as a standard isn't dead, there is just a huge amount of effort in having new devices not only support firewire in hardware, but also have the software and discoverability aspects complete as well. from what i have read many in the HAVi consortium are waiting for the third generation of firewire, because it supports greater distance of cable.

USB just isn't meant to do any of that, it's a simple low bandwidth bus architecture that has been forced to become high bandwidth to satiate peoples "need for speed" and combat firewire (see we're faster than firewire!).

btw mitsubishi and rca already have several televisions and VCRs with HAVi compliance, sony's playstation has a 1394 connection and all DVcameras too.

That is very cool! I would be very interested to see how this movement pans out.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
I agree. The eMac is a good all in, no fusss, machine. It's based of the original iMac, which was based of the original Mac. If anything, apple can lower the prices and allow for lower income, schools, and families to buy macs for their kids.. I bet those emacs are a lot more rugged than the new iMacs. If Apple could bust out a $600 eMac with a 1.6 G5, the'd be rockin... add an option for a super drive. a 1.4 g4 emac today would sell very well at 800 bucks. i bet they couldnt meet demand if they let it go for that.

[invaLPsion]

I don't think they could have an eMac be faster than the powerbooks. Even though they are in different markets that would still be kind of weird...

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by invaLPsion
I don't think they could have an eMac be faster than the powerbooks. Even though they are in different markets that would still be kind of weird... I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree with it. Apple may very follow your philosophy too. It's obvious Apple has made a commitment to the G5 and the eMac is clearly the lowend consumer machine. However, consumers do look at Mhz.... Maybe Mac heads don't, but many consumers do. If you put the latest and greatest proc in the eMac even though it's not the fastest, it's still faster than the G4. It's a good selling poing.. Consumers will believe they're getting better value for their dollar, whcih they are.

I see the eMac is a way to garner those customers that don't know very much about computers, but have heard of Megaherts, and want to be sold on the best computer. I think Apple will be hitting a good market with a really good product. I think eMac is currently a bit over priced, but a great computer.

[iriejedi]

Understanding that we all spend too much time in rumor land with visions of sugar plums dancing in our heads - is anyone else sorta bummed that on the eve of the 20th - that there is little solid evidence positive or negative of something happening tomorrow.... even a sale or price reduction on current G5s would be nice...

:-(

less than Irie, Jedi

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by iriejedi
is anyone else sorta bummed that on the eve of the 20th - that there is little solid evidence positive or negative of something happening tomorrow.... even a sale or price reduction on current G5s would be nice...

:-(

Well, the current supply of PMs is still high. I went to the Apple Online Store and made a B2O and it would have been shipped in 3-5 days. Now, given that this is the eve of a possible upgrade that's not bad, but it would have been better if it was more than 7 day delay....

Maybe I'll run be the Apple Store tonight late and look in the window and see if anything is changed :D

D

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by iriejedi
Understanding that we all spend too much time in rumor land with visions of sugar plums dancing in our heads - is anyone else sorta bummed that on the eve of the 20th - that there is little solid evidence positive or negative of something happening tomorrow.... even a sale or price reduction on current G5s would be nice...
:confused: It's either in this thread or the "2.6GHz PowerMac G5s at MacWorld SF 2004?" thread, but there was a lot of talk about the discounted 1.8 Ghz processors that are cropping up. They're priced less than the 1.6 and with a larger HD, and seem to be available after Jan. 20.

So yes, there is evidence of price reductions on current G5 systems.

http://www.smalldog.com/category/x/x/Power+Macintosh/g5+minitower/wag100/wag10000/

Update - small dog now has 71 in stock, so they're ready to ship right now!
G5/1.8GHz 512/160/SuperDrive/GeForce 5200/56k - $1799

edit - just noticed they ship with 512 MB ram as well - so for the same price as the 1.6 today, you get double the HD, double the RAM, and 12 % more processer.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
:confused: It's either in this thread or the "2.6GHz PowerMac G5s at MacWorld SF 2004?" thread, but there was a lot of talk about the discounted 1.8 Ghz processors that are cropping up. They're priced less than the 1.6 and with a larger HD, and seem to be available after Jan. 20.

So yes, there is evidence of price reductions on current G5 systems.

http://www.smalldog.com/category/x/x/Power+Macintosh/g5+minitower/wag100/wag10000/

Update - small dog now has 71 in stock, so they're ready to ship right now!
G5/1.8GHz 512/160/SuperDrive/GeForce 5200/56k - $1799

edit - just noticed they ship with 512 MB ram as well - so for the same price as the 1.6 today, you get double the HD, double the RAM, and 12 % more processer.


Listen, to me - that NOT considered BIG News. The fact that "online retailers" are blowing out SP 1.8 - is not only OLD News - but NOT certainly a 20th Anniversary - ANYTHING.
If this is Apples BIG ANNOUNCEMENT - I will be very sad. I have a funny feeling - nothing is gonna happen in January just like I was told. Everyone went crazy on this board about the Web Site changing Jan 19th and supposed Long Order Delays for the PM G5 - both of which have turned out to be HOG WASH.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
:confused: So yes, there is evidence of price reductions on current G5 systems.

Sorry thats NOT evidence of price reductions. The SP 1.8 is NOT a current Model but a discontinued Model. :o
What we really need is CURRENT price reductions and a BIG Speed Bump.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by iriejedi
Understanding that we all spend too much time in rumor land with visions of sugar plums dancing in our heads - is anyone else sorta bummed that on the eve of the 20th - that there is little solid evidence positive or negative of something happening tomorrow.... even a sale or price reduction on current G5s would be nice...

:-(

less than Irie, Jedi

Very Bummed out - and it looks like a BIG let down to me :(

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Sorry thats NOT evidence of price reductions. The SP 1.8 is NOT a current Model but a discontinued Model. :o
What we really need is CURRENT price reductions and a BIG Speed Bump.

I would just suggest a little patience here. We'll know more tomorrow....and I'm going to go by the Clarendon Apple Store tonight after closing and see what's going on.

Even with all the rumors, remember that they're just that. I'd love to be surprised, but I know from experience no matter what Apple gives us, someone is going to be complaining.

D

[Peyote]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Listen, to me - that NOT considered BIG News. The fact that "online retailers" are blowing out SP 1.8 - is not only OLD News - but NOT certainly a 20th Anniversary - ANYTHING.
If this is Apples BIG ANNOUNCEMENT - I will be very sad. I have a funny feeling - nothing is gonna happen in January just like I was told. Everyone went crazy on this board about the Web Site changing Jan 19th and supposed Long Order Delays for the PM G5 - both of which have turned out to be HOG WASH.



jeez calm down people. You'll know tomorrow.

[ionas]

iCube / iMac G5 anncounments on saturday + G5 PM on next Tuesday?
Or just both on next tuesday? Or no PM announcements at all?

what do you say?

[iriejedi]

Originally posted by ionas
iCube / iMac G5 anncounments on saturday + G5 PM on next Tuesday?
Or just both on next tuesday? Or no PM announcements at all?

what do you say?

To you I say...G5 PM tomorrow @ 2.8 gig and that is really all we need. :-) But a G5 prism would be nice... something with an egyptian pyrimid theme and a monitor shaped like the sphinx!

And to all you snarfy people who sometime forget this is just a entertainment rumor site that we use in place of a water cooler to chat together in our dismal, yet real, Windows/PC infected work environments... I say - you will all get WINDOWS 95 in you stocking for next Christmas!

:D

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by ionas
iCube / iMac G5 anncounments on saturday + G5 PM on next Tuesday?
Or just both on next tuesday? Or no PM announcements at all?

what do you say? They're going to announce minature Steve Jobs clones with the purchase of a mystery Mac.

[iriejedi]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
They're going to announce minature Steve Jobs clones with the purchase of a mystery Mac.

That is in conjunction to the announcement of the new t-Mac (travel) for those jet setters or travel heavy tele-commuters. Mini-Steve does google and map quest searches for you on your dash board with the new 4 inch power book he is telepathicly (and physically) linked to and he gives you voice interactive directions to you destination or data inquerys. Mini-Steve is easier to keep up to date than current satalite navagation systems and more personal than a speaker phone system like On-Star.

they cost about... 1 MILLION dollars!

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by iriejedi
That is in conjunction to the announcement of the new t-Mac (travel) for those jet setters or travel heavy tele-commuters. Mini-Steve does google and map quest searches for you on your dash board with the new 4 inch power book he is telepathicly (and physically) linked to and he gives you voice interactive directions to you destination or data inquerys. Mini-Steve is easier to keep up to date than current satalite navagation systems and more personal than a speaker phone system like On-Star.

they cost about... 1 MILLION dollars! He'll aslo do all your speeches for you and pull his Jedi mind trick on your clients. sj-mini "You will buy my product. Even if you cannot afford it."

[iriejedi]

....while the REAL Steve Jobs - contines his work on his seekrit RnD plans code named the 'Alan Parson's Project' which involves putting a "laser" on the moon aimed Microsoft.

He will call it a 'death star'


**RIP OFF**-cough

[djbahdow01]

While looking at the apple store and my "shopping cart" the dual 1.8 shipping date decreased from 5-7 business days to 3-5 business days as of today, earlier this weekend it was 5-7 as noted.
Possible changes to come......

**Edit** Yes i am new to post but have been following the boards for the last few months. I will be waiting till the end of the week to get my new REV 2 PM.

[iriejedi]

I just ordered 999 - 2gig G5's for $3,000,000 (same price for three mini-Stevies) and they were scheduled to ship the same business day - so I guess they do like the big orders. Or they have plenty of those ready to drop to $2200 as low end machines in the near future!

:-)

[wdlove]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
I would just suggest a little patience here. We'll know more tomorrow....and I'm going to go by the Clarendon Apple Store tonight after closing and see what's going on.

Even with all the rumors, remember that they're just that. I'd love to be surprised, but I know from experience no matter what Apple gives us, someone is going to be complaining.

D

I agree Mr. Anderson, we need to be patient. Look forward to your report if possible after a visit to your local Apple Store. I had wondered the same thing. Then again they will probably put up paper over the windows till the official release by Steve.

We need to realize that they are rumors. It's best not to have unrealistic expectations. Sadly there are always those that complain. Apple has given us so much that I don't really understand those that complain.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by wdlove
I had wondered the same thing. Then again they will probably put up paper over the windows till the official release by Steve.


Ah, but papers over the windows means there will be a release. We're still not 100% sure its going to happen, you know?

And I'm not going by the Apple store tonight - I was supposed to meet a friend for a couple beers later, but his kids are all sick. So maybe someone else will be able to verify this?

D

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by iriejedi
Understanding that we all spend too much time in rumor land with visions of sugar plums dancing in our heads - is anyone else sorta bummed that on the eve of the 20th - that there is little solid evidence positive or negative of something happening tomorrow.... even a sale or price reduction on current G5s would be nice...

:-(

less than Irie, Jedi

I second that............nothing is gona happen:rolleyes:

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by iriejedi
I say - you will all get WINDOWS 95 in you stocking for next Christmas!

:D

I wanted Windows 3.11 :mad:

[iriejedi]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I wanted Windows 3.11 :mad:

Sorry - I was trying to make a point - NOT BE MEAN!

:D

[neonart]

I love DOS.

[~Shard~]

I love hex and Assembler. :cool:

[Frobozz]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
I love hex and Assembler. :cool:

Binary is where it's at.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don’t.

[iriejedi]

Originally posted by Frobozz
Binary is where it's at.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don’t.

I love your quote - but I have 10 problems with it. 01 I can't figure out who those 10 people are and 10 who are the other 1000 people that make up the original set of 1010 people?

I'm so confused only a new G101 can help me solve this problem!



:confused:

You should see my Spanish!

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by iriejedi
I love your quote - but I have 10 problems with it. 01 I can't figure out who those 10 people are and 10 who are the other 1000 people that make up the original set of 1010 people?

I'm so confused only a new G101 can help me solve this problem!



:confused:

You should see my Spanish!

... And the scary thing is, I followed that all perfectly the first time I read it...

[TranceClubMusic]

Well folks its January 20th - and just as I had expected...........NOTHING.:rolleyes:
Now lets see all the posts for:
a) Its not really the Anniversary Date OR
b) Its gonna happen on Super Bowl

Hogwash - Just like I had been told (and not from some dude that works in the apple Store) dont expect anything untill the End of Febuary or March :o

[djbahdow01]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Well folks its January 20th - and just as I had expected...........NOTHING.:rolleyes:
Now lets see all the posts for:
a) Its not really the Anniversary Date OR
b) Its gonna happen on Super Bowl

Hogwash - Just like I had been told (and not from some dude that works in the apple Store) dont expect anything untill the End of Febuary or March :o

Yeah its January 20th but it was early morning and they will not put anything out until business hours, give the company a break. We will find out soon enough if this rumor is a wash or not.

[aswitcher]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Well folks its January 20th - and just as I had expected...........NOTHING.:rolleyes:
Now lets see all the posts for:
a) Its not really the Anniversary Date OR
b) Its gonna happen on Super Bowl

Hogwash - Just like I had been told (and not from some dude that works in the apple Store) dont expect anything untill the End of Febuary or March :o

Well I think Apple/Jobs would be nutz to miss this anniversary without some product announcement. Jobs loves playing the showman, and to not use this week to celibrate and release something as revolutionary (ok maybe not that revolutionary) as they did 20 years back would be a real shame.

[Bodie]

This may be old news, but, I was checking some Apple retail sites tonight - MacMall / MacConnection / Small Dog and PowerMax -- and the G5 1.8 singles are now selling for between $1750 and $1799 with various freebies included by the different retailers. If this is not old news, perhaps it is indicitive of something tomorrow? Or maybe Apple is just wanting to dump the last of the single 1.8's faster? Pretty good buy though. I think these were in the $2500 range just 6-8 weeks ago.

[aswitcher]

Originally posted by Bodie
This may be old news, but, I was checking some Apple retail sites tonight - MacMall / MacConnection / Small Dog and PowerMax -- and the G5 1.8 singles are now selling for between $1750 and $1799 with various freebies included by the different retailers. If this is not old news, perhaps it is indicitive of something tomorrow? Or maybe Apple is just wanting to dump the last of the single 1.8's faster? Pretty good buy though. I think these were in the $2500 range just 6-8 weeks ago.

Yeah someone elsewhere in the forums was arguing this. I hope its true but it could just be the sellers getting similarly excited about the prospect of new computers and trying to move old stock...

[wrldwzrd89]

...is new PowerMac G5s and new Apple Displays released simultaneously. I'm in the market for both - I want to see an Apple Display that matches the look of the G5s (to go along with my G5).

[numediaman]

MacMall is now showing the 1.8 single processor machine on its home page and announcing a major price drop. I'm not one to say that this is proof positive that speed bumps will announced today or this weekend or next Tuesday . . . but it makes sense -- especially if 2.0 becomes the low end. But . . . its all speculation until Apple sends out the press release.

[Mr. Anderson]

The online Apple store has not been updated and it usual procedure to have it done just before 9 AM EST - didn't happen.

We'll have to wait and see if anything happens for the 24th now, or the 27th (Tuesday after the 20th anniversary)

D

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
The online Apple store has not been updated and it usual procedure to have it done just before 9 AM EST - didn't happen.

We'll have to wait and see if anything happens for the 24th now, or the 27th (Tuesday after the 20th anniversary)

D

Na just like I said - Nothing this month:rolleyes:

[jrv3034]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Na just like I said - Nothing this month:rolleyes:

It'll happen, just be patient. I wasn't really expecting them to announcce anything until after the 24th. Actually, I was hoping they'd do it during the Superbowl. Millions of viewers mesmerized by the sheer brilliance of an Apple commercial announcing the arrival of the new G7 iMac with virtual display.

Or something.;)

[wrldwzrd89]

Originally posted by jrv3034
It'll happen, just be patient. I wasn't really expecting them to announcce anything until after the 24th.

SNIP

I agree with you there, jrv3034. I'm looking at the 27th as the most likely day for anniversary-related product announcements (possibly including G5 and display updates).

[Dont Hurt Me]

whenever they do all of these shananigons is irrelevant, my money says new models in march on the shelf. i would be very amazed if they didnt do something with the consumer line, talk about old outdated technology and hardware. History seems to point to this march shelf date. powermacs and imacs that you can touch in march. the 24th may be only pushing music & pods more music and more pods.(yawn) what happened to those consumer computers?

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
whenever they do all of these shananigons is irrelevant, my money says new models in march on the shelf. i would be very amazed if they didnt do something with the consumer line, talk about old outdated technology and hardware. History seems to point to this march shelf date. powermacs and imacs that you can touch in march. the 24th may be only pushing music & pods more music and more pods.(yawn) what happened to those consumer computers?

Now thats what Im talking about!! Been saying that all along:o Nothing in January - more then likely Febuary or March (items you can touch at the Apple Store) - just like I was told by an Apple Employee (and not a Dude from the Apple Store):rolleyes:

[Mr. Anderson]

Regardless of when they ship - the announcement has to come first. And its sometimes important to get the order in.

I don't think all that many people were overly concerned about when they'd actually get the new machines, just the fact that they'd be officially announced.

I'm hoping to order one of the new ones, the sooner I can order the better.

D

[Dont Hurt Me]

Mr anderson your eyeing that top G5 dual powermac arent you? 2.0 G5 and ati9600 Imac if they come out with one. if not ill get the new base Powermac though it will be bigger and have more then i need.

[Mr. Anderson]

top end dual PM - hopefully with the Radion 9800 Pro 256 Meg video card :D

that card just came out recently and it makes sense that Apple would make it available. For handling the 3D it would make a huge difference :D

D

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by numediaman
MacMall is now showing the 1.8 single processor machine on its home page and announcing a major price drop. I'm not one to say that this is proof positive that speed bumps will announced today or this weekend or next Tuesday . . . but it makes sense -- especially if 2.0 becomes the low end. But . . . its all speculation until Apple sends out the press release.
yeah, I was the one talking about this for the last 2 days, and I got my head bit off!!:eek:

People seem so obsessed with the fact that these NEW, unused computers are a "discontinued" model and therefore should be worth less than a 1.6, even though the reconditioned 1.6 on Apple's website sells for $1399, and the reconditioned 1.8 sells for $1699. (They neglect that when the 1.8 sold at the same time as the 1.6, they were priced at $2399.)

While Mr. Anderson is right that the new G5's might not be announced today, the fact that Apple sat on this inventory of old 1.8's for 10 weeks (wasn't the 1.8 upgraded to a dual model in early Nov.?) before dumping them beginning today DOES say something. Apple knows that the 1.6 will soon stop being selling for $1799. If not, they'd price this higher, just like they do the reconditioned units.

Anyway, good news for us - upgrades should be here soon.

[Mr Maui]

Here's a thought ...

Maybe I'll just wait until something ACTUALLY gets announced.

What a concept!! :cool:

[PRØBE]

Now where's the fun in that I ask?
This IS after all a RUMOR site. While discussing it after the event is all well and good it kinda limits the imagination.

I for one would like to see an all aluminum imac (same form) with a ruby (20 years) Apple logo. Suped up with a G5 (1.6 minimum) 128 graphics card, 20" screen, 512 ram and and and a cherry on top.

:/

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
top end dual PM - hopefully with the Radion 9800 Pro 256 Meg video card :D

that card just came out recently and it makes sense that Apple would make it available. For handling the 3D it would make a huge difference :D

D

OMGGGGGGGGGGGG! I just cant wait for the 256mb Video Card!!!!

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
yeah, I was the one talking about this for the last 2 days, and I got my head bit off!!:eek:

:D That head was Yummy too! ;)

[iriejedi]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
OMGGGGGGGGGGGG! I just cant wait for the 256mb Video Card!!!!

ATI’S RADEON™ 9800 PRO Mac Special Edition gives Power Mac™ G5 256 MB of dual-digital 3D graphics performance

New graphics card provides hassle-free upgrade for new and existing G5 owners

Thursday, January 8, 2004

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San Francisco, California – Kicking off MacWorld San Francisco 2004, ATI Technologies (TSX: ATY, NASDAQ: ATYT) introduced the RADEON™ 9800 PRO Mac Special Edition, complementing its current video card offerings for the Macintosh market. Designed exclusively for use with the high end Power Mac™ G5, the RADEON 9800 PRO Mac Special Edition continues ATI’s commitment to responding to the needs of Macintosh users.

The RADEON 9800 PRO Mac Special Edition has a leading edge 256 MB of ultra fast DDR memory, with 680 MHZ data rate and a core engine speed of 380 MHZ. To facilitate a trouble free upgrade, this new graphics card is supported by drivers included within Macintosh OS X and enables a direct connection with Apple branded displays through dual output ADC and DVI connectors.

“Now Macintosh game enthusiasts and digital content professionals who’ve been clamoring for a RADEON 9800 based upgrade card that offers direct ADC support and 256 MB of memory will be satisfied,” said Stan Ossias, Product Marketing Manager, Apple Products, ATI Technologies. “ATI’s new 256MB RADEON 9800 PRO Mac Special Edition delivers the stunningly fast, high end graphics that fully maximize the powerful capabilities of the Power Mac G5.”

ATI is previewing this new technology at Booth 1017 at MacWorld San Francisco from January 6-9, 2004. The RADEON 9800 PRO Mac Special Edition will be available from ATI and its retail partners beginning at the end of January for a MSRP of $469.