[Merged] Behavior in the iPhone Forums

[gadgetdad]

Maybe its just me, but it seems there is alot of hostility on these iPhone forums. Some of the threads go from a simple question to borderline calling each other out back to fight.

Not sure where this is coming from, but we have the greatest phone on earth, now group hug and lets all just get along.:)

[brn2ski00]

hug it out

[Scooterman1]

I have really noticed that. I've always been a part of the PC community until the iPhone. I thought Apple users were friendly. Maybe it's just this Forum. The PC community seemed a lot more friendly. I don't know. Maybe it's because the PC's didn't make them as hostile. LOL

[alFR]

I thought when I read the thread title you meant either:

(a) iPhones fighting in a Robot Wars manner
(b) iPhone owners fighting in a Celebrity Deathmatch manner using their iPhones as weapons

I'd pay to see either, TBH. :)

[Apple Ink]

Maybe this thread would do better in the Forum feedback/suggestions forum! And probably Mods would take better car if what you say is true!:):apple:

[gadgetdad]

I thought when I read the thread title you meant either:

(a) iPhones fighting in a Robot Wars manner
(b) iPhone owners fighting in a Celebrity Deathmatch manner using their iPhones as weapons

I'd pay to see either, TBH. :)
Rock'en Sock'em Iphones...LOL

[Scooterman1]

Maybe this thread would do better in the Forum feedback/suggestions forum! And probably Mods would take better car if what you say is true!:):apple:

Actually, I know it's not the norm, but I ran into a Moderator that seemed very hostile. I really thought that was odd. She deleted a thread right after I posted it for no apparent reason other than not liking something like this reply. Her reason was 'No one was discussing' after only about 6 minutes and 4 or 5 Replies.

I really didn't say anything out of line. And I had noticed that with a couple of other people she had replied to.

Other than hostility, this Forum is still a great place to get information! Some people on here try to be really helpful. I'm sure that part will survive.

[gadgetdad]

Other than hostility, this Forum is still a great place to get information! Some people on here try to be really helpful. I'm sure that part will survive.

Agreed, I live here and will it will always be my number one source of all things :apple:

[nickspohn]

You know, it's people like you that make these threads. Mind your own ****ing business for gods sake.
jk : )

[rockinrocker]

(b) iPhone owners fighting in a Celebrity Deathmatch manner using their iPhones as weapons


maybe if phonesaber was still around...

[ogdogg]

Rock'en Sock'em Iphones...LOL

If a developer doesn't make a rock'en sock'em app where iphones can box against each other online I will now be disappointed.

[gadgetdad]

You know, it's people like you that make these threads. Mind your own ****ing business for gods sake.
jk : )

I rest my case.:p

[nickspohn]

I rest my case.:p

Look in the quote you posted. In the bottom right of it :)

[viggen61]

Rock'en Sock'em Iphones...LOL

Now THERE'S something for the App Store! Play by WiFi or BT???

:apple::apple:

[ratbatblue]

Some of the hostility, IMO, comes from a tendency on the part of those having no problems with the iPhone to react with disbelief, or even scorn, in response to those of us who are having a less than 100% positive experience. It's not restricted to this forum, either, by any means. To those whom the shoe fits, let me just say I'm glad you're enjoying and having no troubles with your toy. Please don't assume that because yours is fine, I must be imagining that mine is not. To those who, like me, have occasionally given in to the temptation to hate Apple and its creation: It's a marathon, not a sprint. Hang in there and trust Apple to fix the issues. It's true that the iPhone is a fantastic device, and it will eventually realize its full potential. Until then, remove all installed applications, save all your music and videos to a separate drive, wipe out and reinstall iTunes 7.7, reimport all your music and videos; restore, restore, restore; turn off 3G, Wi-Fi, Location Services, push email, and fetch email; turn your screen brightness down to dimmmmmm, and buy a battery tickler. Unload all firearms, hide all sharp objects, make appointments with your optometrist and psychiatrist, and keep checking MR religiously. Salvation will come; it's only a firmware update away.

[Bodhi395]

I noticed the most hostility is when people ask questions or say things that have been talked about before in other threads. It really seems to annoy people here, and I guess its the same on any message board.

Here's an example just posted: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=544818

[mkrishnan]

Please report offensive posts instead of indulging them. You'll get a faster response, and it entails less work for us.

Please post threads about the nature of the forums in the Site & Forum Feedback forum and not in the iPhone forum. Thanks.

[gadgetdad]

Some of the hostility, IMO, comes from a tendency on the part of those having no problems with the iPhone to react with disbelief, or even scorn, in response to those of us who are having a less than 100% positive experience. It's not restricted to this forum, either, by any means. To those whom the shoe fits, let me just say I'm glad you're enjoying and having no troubles with your toy. Please don't assume that because yours is fine, I must be imagining that mine is not. To those who, like me, have occasionally given in to the temptation to hate Apple and its creation: It's a marathon, not a sprint. Hang in there and trust Apple to fix the issues. It's true that the iPhone is a fantastic device, and it will eventually realize its full potential. Until then, remove all installed applications, save all your music and videos to a separate drive, wipe out and reinstall iTunes 7.7, reimport all your music and videos; restore, restore, restore; turn off 3G, Wi-Fi, Location Services, push email, and fetch email; turn your screen brightness down to dimmmmmm, and buy a battery tickler. Unload all firearms, hide all sharp objects, make appointments with your optometrist and psychiatrist, and keep checking MR religiously. Salvation will come; it's only a firmware update away.

I have had my share of Steve hating problems. Iam on my 2nd white 3g.

[scotty96LSC]

There are some "strong" opinions about things, but calling it hostile? Not sure about that.
hostile |ˈhästl; ˈhäˌstīl|
adjective
unfriendly; antagonistic : a hostile audience | he wrote a ferociously hostile attack.
• of or belonging to a military enemy : hostile aircraft.
• [ predic. ] opposed : people are very hostile to the idea.
• (of a takeover bid) opposed by the company to be bought.
Interpretation perhaps.

[bigandy]

I think a large number of the problems in the iPhone forum are happening because members aren't reading other threads or searching sufficiently before posting their own topic regarding a problem.... Hence the reason this site (http://www.theresonlyonespeaker.com/) exists.


;)

[Apple Ink]

I believe the major source of such "hostile" threads is the:

Only One Speaker Working threads!! lol

[iJohnHenry]

I noticed the most hostility is when people ask questions or say things that have been talked about before in other threads. It really seems to annoy people here, and I guess its the same on any message board.
And rightly so.

Lazy people annoy me too.

I suspect that people caught short with curt responses, like "search the Forum", are used to having things done for them all the time.

In the short time I've been here, I don't believe that MR members are willing to perform this function.

[Dr. Cabrera]

Hi i just joined these forums today and to put it simply, im disturbed by the lack of common sense/knowldege of this community

Could it be the fact that this is a well known forum that attracts this kind of person ?

Searching through the Iphone forum archives there's just a ton of... well idiotic/whining/shady questions being asked


In any case there are people here that show a pretty high level of knowledge as well.

I am coming from a Sony Ericsson community as my baseline btw.

[sushi]

Hi i just joined these forums today and to put it simply, im disturbed by the lack of common sense/knowldege of this community
Give it some time.

Be sure to check out the FAQ and use the search function.

There are many on MacRumors who can and will provide insightful help. Just have to sort through the chaff to get to the wheat.

BTW, welcome to MacRumors. :)

[Brianstorm91]

Lots of people come across this site when searching for help and end up registering to ask questions, so what?

[Randman]

Hi i just joined these forums today and to put it simply, im disturbed by the lack of common sense/knowldege of this community

Could it be the fact that this is a well known forum that attracts this kind of person ?

Searching through the Iphone forum archives there's just a ton of... well idiotic/whining/shady questions being asked


In any case there are people here that show a pretty high level of knowledge as well.

I am coming from a Sony Ericsson community as my baseline btw.

iPhone not Iphone.

This is a general Mac forum with iPhones being a part of it and quite popular now and likely to attract "newbies". Coming from a SE forum, you probably had more hardcore posters there since you'd have to be hardcore to even register at a SE forum.

[sushi]

This is a general Mac forum with iPhones being a part of it and quite popular now and likely to attract "newbies". Coming from a SE forum, you probably had more hardcore posters there since you'd have to be hardcore to even register at a SE forum.
Don't be fooled by the casual appearance of MacRumors.

There are some very knowledgeable folks here as well. Just need know where to look. :)

[rdowns]

Hi i just joined these forums today and to put it simply, im disturbed by the lack of common sense/knowldege of this community

Could it be the fact that this is a well known forum that attracts this kind of person ?

Searching through the Iphone forum archives there's just a ton of... well idiotic/whining/shady questions being asked


In any case there are people here that show a pretty high level of knowledge as well.

I am coming from a Sony Ericsson community as my baseline btw.

I'm disturbed that a person can join a forum and on day one, post an insulting thread. All forums have good and bad. The old expression about the door not hitting you in the ass seems appropriate here.

[tangledweb16]

Yeah, Apple did something right for sure with the iPhone 3G. It seems that just about everyone is getting one, and that includes a lot of people that don't know squat about the bloody phone when they buy it, hence the massive amount of idiotic questions being asked.

Nobody in the general public knows anything about the iPhone 3G. 80% of people I talk to genuinely think that "3G" stands for 3GB. That's why you get the people asking:
"what does the little "E" in the upper left hand corner mean?" and "one speaker not working" and the like.

One of my friends was strongly considering getting an iPhone recently, and I was talking to him and he said something along the lines of:

"Yeah, the iPhone has great web browsing but the LG Dare has a 3.5mm headphone jack, so that's what I'm gonna get I think."

I politely informed him that the iPhone did in fact have a 3.5mm headphone jack, but inside I was practically screaming.

I mean, do the ****ing research before buying it. It seems to me that, unlike last year, people are just buying it because it's the "cool, pretty, new" thing, and that annoys me a lot.

I mean, last year when I got the iPhone, I had never owned a smartphone, but I did the research before I bought it. I read up. By the time my phone arrived I knew how to use it, because I cared enough to buy it and take 15 minutes to read about the basic functions.

And then there's the people you see using the touchscreen like it's a 1998 Palm Pilot. You know what I mean; they move there index finger in little circles and when they finally find what the want to touch they press down with extreme force and hold their finger on the screen for a couple of seconds. People don't seem to realize that the screen needs only a very small amount of you finger to touch it to register, and no force at all.

You can call me a snob, and maybe I am, but if I get one more "3 gigs!?!? That's awesome!" or "why'd you buy THAT!?! It's such a waste of money!" or "I want one soooooo bad!!! How much is it?!?" reply I'm going to scream.

I can't be alone. Does anyone else on here agree with me? I'll admit, I'm an Apple fanboy and I do probably know more than your Average Joe, but all of this is just ridiculous. And it's really pissing me off.

[Dr. Cabrera]

on the plus side there seems to be a good amount of activity on these forums :P


I guess I'll give this forum some time, and try to add knowledge at the same time

are there any other iPhone forums that you would recommend ?

a bit of history

- palm IIIC in high school
- computer technician for 4 years
- 3 Sony ericssons
- needed a PDA for medical school
- found out Epocrates runs on the Iphone

and that's why I'm here :D

[tangledweb16]

on the plus side there seems to be a good amount of activity on these forums :P


I guess I'll give this forum some time, and try to add knowledge at the same time

are there any other iPhone forums that you would recommend ?

a bit of history

- palm IIIC in high school
- computer technician for 4 years
- 3 Sony ericssons
- needed a PDA for medical school
- found out Epocrates runs on the Iphone

and that's why I'm here :D

Honestly, this is an excellent iPhone forum. Just about everyone here is extremely helpful and patient. This'll all die down in a couple months, I promise.

It's just that right now the iPhone is very, very popular and a lot of very inexperienced people are purchasing it just because they've heard about it so much, and not really because they want it for what it does or what it is. Which, as I stated above, annoys the hell out of me.

Just stick here for a bit, it's the best forum I've found so far. And don't be afraid to ask questions, just do your research before you do. Or else people will get annoyed.

Welcome :)

[bojado71]

You should preface your post with an example of what you find insulting. If someone new to the iPhone who has a simple question is what you find insulting then you are on the wrong board. This board is also for people who are new to iPhone and nervous that they will be laughed at for asking a stupid (i.e. simple question) from snobs such as yourself. You may have forgot when you were a newbie, but i bet you would not have approved of your own post. If you mean insulted by something else, then I will rethink the above.

[dukebound85]

Honestly, this is an excellent iPhone forum. Just about everyone here is extremely helpful and patient. This'll all die down in a couple months, I promise.

It's just that right now the iPhone is very, very popular and a lot of very inexperienced people are purchasing it just because they've heard about it so much, and not really because they want it for what it does or what it is. Which, as I stated above, annoys the hell out of me.

Just stick here for a bit, it's the best forum I've found so far. And don't be afraid to ask questions, just do your research before you do. Or else people will get annoyed.

Welcome :)

haha riiight. it still hasnt died down since the iphone originally launched

[richard.mac]

youve got to realise the newbie posters on the iPhone forums are simply everyday people who probably dont know that the iPhone OS is a customised touch version of Mac OS X and they may not even know that Apple makes computers!

id suggest using MacRumors' Forum Spy and then filter out the iPhones forums using the Preferences.

[tangledweb16]

haha riiight. it still hasnt died down since the iphone originally launched

By "died down" I meant that people will stop asking so many idiotic questions.

But then, of course, next June/July it'll all start again with the 3rd gen. iPhone.

[nick9191]

Hi i just joined these forums today and to put it simply, im disturbed by the lack of common sense/knowldege of this community

Could it be the fact that this is a well known forum that attracts this kind of person ?

Searching through the Iphone forum archives there's just a ton of... well idiotic/whining/shady questions being asked


In any case there are people here that show a pretty high level of knowledge as well.

I am coming from a Sony Ericsson community as my baseline btw.

Ha, you get them started on politics, that'll blow your mind :p

[slapguts]

This forum has gotten noticably more hostile as of late. People seem to be willing to jump straight to calling eachother idiot or moron without much provocation. A few more moderated time-outs might help.

Most of the current batch of newbie-threads could be answered very simply, but they turn into a "use the search" flamefest.

[Dr. Cabrera]

You should preface your post with an example of what you find insulting

well i think that's the problem though

a lot of these question I see can simply be found by typing them into google or just take common sense

questions like
"i lost my phone can i get a new one for free "
" I dropped/water damaged/etc can i get a new one for free"
" Does the old iPhone have GPS"

and the list goes on


ok off to bed

[eji]

You can call me a snob, and maybe I am, but if I get one more "3 gigs!?!? That's awesome!" or "why'd you buy THAT!?! It's such a waste of money!" or "I want one soooooo bad!!! How much is it?!?" reply I'm going to scream.

No, I don't think it's snobbery to expect people to at least make an effort to make an informed decision about anything: electronics, holiday destinations, politics, whatever. However, you'll still be called a snob by the folks who have a bit more patience with the chronic shortcomings of humanity. (I'm not among them.)

The Web itself is a mixed blessing. It gives anyone with a computer a chance to be heard; but then, it also gives anyone with a computer a chance to be heard. And the larger problem is that the dimwits in humanity's ranks are too dimwitted to recognize how dimwitted they are. Though it's a lesson in futility to think that pointing that out to them, however kindly or aggressively, will ever bring about the desired change.

To the OP: Common sense is a bit of a misnomer. It sure as heck ain't common. The only remedy is to set your expectations as low as possible and then try not to be surprised and angry when you realize you still didn't set them low enough. To weed through the junk in the meantime, someone clever than me needs to code something for the entire Internet that works along the lines of the Firefox extension for YouTube (http://www.chrisfinke.com/addons/youtube-comment-snob/) that sifts for the flakes of gold in a steaming pile of doo-doo.

Anyway, sorry to go so misanthropically far off-topic. What I should have said is:

IFone rulez! LOL!!!1!!1 Duz 3G meen its got like three GBB of space. I still think Im gunna buy a Motrola ROKR becuz the name is kewler.

[tangledweb16]

No, I don't think it's snobbery to expect people to at least make an effort to make an informed decision about anything: electronics, holiday destinations, politics, whatever. However, you'll still be called a snob by the folks who have a bit more patience with the chronic shortcomings of humanity. (I'm not among them.)

The Web itself is a mixed blessing. It gives anyone with a computer a chance to be heard; but then, it also gives anyone with a computer a chance to be heard. And the larger problem is that the dimwits in humanity's ranks are too dimwitted to recognize how dimwitted they are. Though it's a lesson in futility to think that pointing that out to them, however kindly or aggressively, will ever bring about the desired change.

To the OP: Common sense is a bit of a misnomer. It sure as heck ain't common. The only remedy is to set your expectations as low as possible and then try not to be surprised and angry when you realize you still didn't set them low enough. To weed through the junk in the meantime, someone clever than me needs to code something for the entire Internet that works along the lines of the Firefox extension for YouTube (http://www.chrisfinke.com/addons/youtube-comment-snob/) that sifts for the flakes of gold in a steaming pile of doo-doo.

Anyway, sorry to go so misanthropically far off-topic. What I should have said is:

IFone rulez! LOL!!!1!!1 Duz 3G meen its got like three GBB of space. I still think Im gunna buy a Motrola ROKR becuz the name is kewler.

Thank you! You have no idea how comforting it is to hear another person that shares my feelings on the subject at hand.

[musio]

forums across the world are full of idiots because they come with silly questions and leave better folk. i've asked my fair share of newbie stuff but how do people become educated? They make mistakes, ask and make mistakes and get better.

Forums and communities rely the the very very very good will of the knowledgeable people who will contribute, discuss and importantly listen. Don't scare them away.

[eji]

forums across the world are full of idiots because they come with silly questions and leave better folk. i've asked my fair share of newbie stuff but how do people become educated? They make mistakes, ask and make mistakes and get better.

Forums and communities rely the the very very very good will of the knowledgeable people who will contribute, discuss and importantly listen. Don't scare them away.

I'm not trying to scare anyone away. Far from it. By openly acknowledging the dreck, I'm trying to get the people who write in coherent sentences to stay in spite of it.

You've also got a very rosy view of mankind to think that the people asking silly questions are suddenly going to reach edification and enlightenment. In my experience, which could be partial and skewed, the people asking silly questions will go on asking silly questions and making questionable contributions to the community. The people asking sensible questions, the ones not answered on every other thread or available through a Google search, are the ones who are 'susceptible' to edification and self-improvement. Those are the folks I really try to help when I'm able, because I know they'll help me with good advice when my own Google searches are fruitless (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=548590).

[ditzy]

I'm not trying to scare anyone away. Far from it. By openly acknowledging the dreck, I'm trying to get the people who write in coherent sentences to stay in spite of it.

You've also got a very rosy view of mankind to think that the people asking silly questions are suddenly going to reach edification and enlightenment. In my experience, which could be partial and skewed, the people asking silly questions will go on asking silly questions and making questionable contributions to the community. The people asking sensible questions, the ones not answered on every other thread or available through a Google search, are the ones who are 'susceptible' to edification and self-improvement. Those are the folks I really try to help when I'm able, because I know they'll help me with good advice when my own Google searches are fruitless (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=548590).

In life though that probably doesn't apply to this forum or any forum. I't's not the people who ask questions that you should be worried about. It the people who don't. They usually understand less than the person who asked the basic, (I'm not going to stay stupid because I think most of the time that is unfair and you don't know what you don.t know.) question.

[mcdj]

IMO, there are newbies, and there are NOOBs.

A newbie might ask something like "Where do I add star ratings to a track on the iPhone. I've looked everywhere." This is a feature not readily apparent on the iPhone, and could easily be missed, even after investigating every screen. This could be someone with an actual brain. Yes, they might have found the answer via Google (and often have already tried), but the wording of the search is trickier than "iPhone 3G cracks". This person may or may not stick around long enough to help others, but their presence is generally not a nuisance and people are usually amenable to helping them.

A NOOB might ask something along the lines of the aforementioned; "I lost my iPhone, can I get a free one?" or my favorite, "Type a personalized tutorial just for me, on subject X, Y, or Z...NEED ANSWER ASAP....URGENT!!!!". They type 47 question marks and exclamations; they post the same thing in 4 different forums so they can get a quicker answer; they threadjack...it goes on and on. These people are, of course, everywhere on the interweb planet, not just on the iPhone forums. They are generally lazy, entitled, self involved, complete idiots, or all of the above. After a certain point, unfamiliarity with netiquette is no longer a valid defense for the vapidity exhibited by these types. They're simply bereft of even a basic level common sense or courtesy. Unfortunately, as the iPhone moves down the food chain in price and availability, we'll be seeing perhaps more than our fair share of them here in the coming months/years.

[BothBarsOn]

Every time I visit MacRumors I find myself moaning and groaning about all the "Help! Should I get a Macbook or Macbook Pro?" threads. Then a little voice reminds me that I joined in the first place to ask that exact same question ...

But, as others have said, hard facts are easily Googlable. Informed user experience is not.

[jessica.]

snip useless whining

I am coming from a Sony Ericsson community as my baseline btw.

No one whines about SE phones? As the former owner of three SE phones I can say there is a fair amount of whining, silly, and completely baseless questions. I wouldn't use any forum as your baseline for determining that the iPhone forum here is any more disturbing.

Now, is there something you needed or was your intent to simply inform people that you're disturbed? If you have an SE then you don't need to be in the iPhone forums anyway, right? There are a fair amount of threads here that are informative and useful, you just have to sift through the crap just like any other forum, including the SE forums. ;)

[sushi]

I think that the key is to learn how to navigate around MacRumors to get the information that you need.

Search is your friend. :)

[lakaiordie]

its because theres too many people here that whine like little girls.

[meagain]

Lots of iPhone newbies here right now. That's all. They sold a million the first weekend right?

[richard.mac]

… "Type a personalized tutorial just for me, on subject X, Y, or Z...NEED ANSWER ASAP....URGENT!!!!". They type 47 question marks and exclamations; they post the same thing in 4 different forums so they can get a quicker answer; they threadjack...

oh man the posting in multiple forums is so annoying for me as i usually linger in Forum Spy. i usually just report the latter posts.

i remember there was one user that typed every letter in the forum title in caps except one to avoid the no caps rule HA!

so whens the newsletter coming out?

[Haruk]

idiotic/whining/shady questions being asked


Mac community?
Yep.
You'll be seeing a lot of that, because the mac community is ridiculous, you're best off not becoming a part of it, and just troll for inf0rmation

[mcdj]

so whens the newsletter coming out?

There's not much I can say that Maddox (http://maddox.xmission.com/) hasn't already covered. :)

because the mac community is ridiculous,

Ahh, good old "ridiculous", the catch all for the complainers lacking eloquence.

[richard.mac]

There's not much I can say that Maddox (http://maddox.xmission.com/) hasn't already covered. :)

haha that guy is hilarious… lol (a second literal laugh out loud moment tonite :D) http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=fashion

[savanahrose]

on the plus side there seems to be a good amount of activity on these forums :P


I guess I'll give this forum some time, and try to add knowledge at the same time

are there any other iPhone forums that you would recommend ?

a bit of history

- palm IIIC in high school
- computer technician for 4 years
- 3 Sony ericssons
- needed a PDA for medical school
- found out Epocrates runs on the Iphone

and that's why I'm here :D

Yeah Shenaniganz, just stick around for awhile. This is an awesome forum to come to. The people who frequent here are great and very helpful. If it wasn't for the people here I would still be lost in the sea of windows. Good luck on med school by the way.

[njchris]

Hi i just joined these forums today and to put it simply, im disturbed by the lack of common sense/knowldege of this community

Could it be the fact that this is a well known forum that attracts this kind of person ?

Searching through the Iphone forum archives there's just a ton of... well idiotic/whining/shady questions being asked

Welcome to the internets.

However, I find it disturbing that this is how you introduce yourself.
Ironic - whining about the whiners.

[Dr. Cabrera]

well it's not whining... If you walked in to a room that smelled bad would it be whining to say out loud "Boy it smells in here"

I think my point is further supported by the members who share my sentiments

Thanks savanahrose :D

[t0mat0]

Hi i just joined these forums today and to put it simply, im disturbed by the lack of common sense/knowldege of this community

Could it be the fact that this is a well known forum that attracts this kind of person ?

Searching through the Iphone forum archives there's just a ton of... well idiotic/whining/shady questions being asked


In any case there are people here that show a pretty high level of knowledge as well.

I am coming from a Sony Ericsson community as my baseline btw.


The iPhoen section isn't the best tbh. The other sections are much better in general. Just pointing out a self evident problem doesn't necessarily help though. Trying to help the mods and users usually does.

[Niiro13]

Hence the reason this site (http://www.theresonlyonespeaker.com/) exists.
;)

Wow, someone must really be annoyed in order to keep a site with no ads that simply dictates there's only one speaker xD.


I think that the key is to learn how to navigate around MacRumors to get the information that you need.

Search is your friend. :)

True. But I find search not my friends. Search wants to drive me insane. No offense, but I find vBulletin's search very difficult (btw, this is not talking about one speaker or cost or something...I'm talking about more complex stuff).

[Mindflux]

Maybe its just me, but it seems there is alot of hostility on these iPhone forums. Some of the threads go from a simple question to borderline calling each other out back to fight.

Not sure where this is coming from, but we have the greatest phone on earth, now group hug and lets all just get along.:)

When the same question gets asked time and time and time again do you expect anything but frustration and hostility? Not really. A bulk of the internet savvy group should know how to search yet they don't.

[mkrishnan]

True. But I find search not my friends. Search wants to drive me insane. No offense, but I find vBulletin's search very difficult (btw, this is not talking about one speaker or cost or something...I'm talking about more complex stuff).

You should see a Google search at the bottom of the pop-up box when you click on the search icon. You can also of course search the entire internet using Google, or you can search macrumors using Google by adding site:macrumors.com or site:forums.macrumors.com to your Google search string....

[Dr. Cabrera]

what the merged stories threadz ???

haha i feel somehow demasculinated

[JPIndustrie]

Honestly,

I think it's the sheer fact that with the iPhone's lower cost of entry and, arguably, 'higher' social awareness that it attracts the less 'inclined' people to the device and to discussions surrounding the device.

I don't know about you, but the folks on the Mac forums are much more different than the folks on the iPhone forums. Myself included.

[yrsonicdeath]

I have an iPhone, but I rarely post or read in the iPhone forums anymore. If I really need something I'll search.

[imapfsr]

I know most will react negatively to this post as they 'have their reasons' but I am sick of people whining about how crappy and useless and why have it and yada, yada, yada about the 3G. I had the first iphone and now the 3g and still think it is a marvel of modern technology. Yesterday I was updating a program through app store and my phone reset on its own and stayed on the apple logo. It stayed that way for about a half an hour and I even tried to reformat it through Itunes and wa unable as there was a sync error. As it turned out it just took some time to reset(not sure why). Anyways I was worried but what are ya going to do.
All these complainers who rant and rave about how bad the iphone is and then cuddle and caress it in private need to give it a rest. This phone will have problems like any piece of technology throughout the history of our civilization. Some will crack(agree, not good) some will reset some will glitch. I am just tired of hearing about it I guess. I love mine good and bad. Legit complaints are obviously ok but every one else....stop the whining

[barkomatic]

If you don't want to hear about people having issues with their iphone then don't hang out in a public internet forum dedicated to discussing those issues. Seems pretty simple to me.

[CocoaPuffs]

I know most will react negatively to this post as they 'have their reasons' but I am sick of people whining about how crappy and useless and why have it and yada, yada, yada about the 3G. I had the first iphone and now the 3g and still think it is a marvel of modern technology. Yesterday I was updating a program through app store and my phone reset on its own and stayed on the apple logo. It stayed that way for about a half an hour and I even tried to reformat it through Itunes and wa unable as there was a sync error. As it turned out it just took some time to reset(not sure why). Anyways I was worried but what are ya going to do.
All these complainers who rant and rave about how bad the iphone is and then cuddle and caress it in private need to give it a rest. This phone will have problems like any piece of technology throughout the history of our civilization. Some will crack(agree, not good) some will reset some will glitch. I am just tired of hearing about it I guess. I love mine good and bad. Legit complaints are obviously ok but every one else....stop the whining
Matter of expectation and perception. Some of us are ok with driving POS cars, some of us are not.

[mavis]

If you don't want to hear about people having issues with their iphone then don't hang out in a public internet forum dedicated to discussing those issues. Seems pretty simple to me.Yup, that sounds about right. It's not exactly rocket science, is it? ;)

[littlelauren99]

i agree a wee bit because of the fact that i've had extremely minimal problems with my iphone. i love it and i think it's an AMAZING piece of technology. but like i said, it's technology and it is never gonna be perfect and i think people are very quick to write long negative comments and not so quick to praise it.

on the other hand, i do agree with the others that if you don't wanna see whining, don't click a certain thread. i know i'm a member of the forum for useful information and to hear what people say about CERTAIN aspects that i want more info on buuuut i don't click on everything and don't care to read about other peoples problems unless it involves something i'm concerned about.

just don't read threads you don't necesarrily need too. and try to remember that some people will always complain and be happy that you love your iphone like me =)



ps-i'm not saying you people are lame to complain, i understand cause i've complained about **** in the past...i'm just explaining for this lovely member =)

[imapfsr]

Dont get me wrong,
I have learned so much from this site over and over again. Believe me when I say I am very glad that this forum exists. To have a place where people can come to share and learn from everyone is amazing. My problem is all the useless whining that many people seem to do. You have a problem share it with others and chances are a resolution will be found. Please just stop the useless whining is all I ask.:)

[ishopukisfake]

I started a thread to say how trouble-free my iphone has been. I think allot of the whining is generally people being impatient, over critical and "venting". Not much good comes from excessive complaining. However you may be making the mistake of whining about whining. A similar thing happens I notice in the realm of politics, with liberals who become demon possessed and aggressive in the name of peace and human rights. Not that you are being that extreme, just a similar contradiction.

[kittenbutt]

A similar thing happens I notice in the realm of politics, with liberals who become demon possessed and aggressive in the name of peace and human rights.

Or conservatives who become demon possessed and aggressive in the name of money and the right to bear arms?

Tch. Your bias is showing!

I notice a similar thing happens when you put groups of people together -- they all get very touchy about, well, almost everything really.

People like to whine, moan, yell, fight, feel superior to someone, or even to feel downtrodden in the name of just about anything. It makes them feel part of something, gives them a feeling of not being alone in the world. It's a human reaction, and I really doubt that we'll ever learn not to do it, just like war and not letting people starve or be so poor that they haven't even basic living conditions. We haven't learned yet, and it's been a bit of time since even a date allowing for a very very late start to the human race.

[Cynicalone]

IMO, there are newbies, and there are NOOBs.

A newbie might ask something like "Where do I add star ratings to a track on the iPhone. I've looked everywhere." This is a feature not readily apparent on the iPhone, and could easily be missed, even after investigating every screen. This could be someone with an actual brain. Yes, they might have found the answer via Google (and often have already tried), but the wording of the search is trickier than "iPhone 3G cracks". This person may or may not stick around long enough to help others, but their presence is generally not a nuisance and people are usually amenable to helping them.

A NOOB might ask something along the lines of the aforementioned; "I lost my iPhone, can I get a free one?" or my favorite, "Type a personalized tutorial just for me, on subject X, Y, or Z...NEED ANSWER ASAP....URGENT!!!!". They type 47 question marks and exclamations; they post the same thing in 4 different forums so they can get a quicker answer; they threadjack...it goes on and on. These people are, of course, everywhere on the interweb planet, not just on the iPhone forums. They are generally lazy, entitled, self involved, complete idiots, or all of the above. After a certain point, unfamiliarity with netiquette is no longer a valid defense for the vapidity exhibited by these types. They're simply bereft of even a basic level common sense or courtesy. Unfortunately, as the iPhone moves down the food chain in price and availability, we'll be seeing perhaps more than our fair share of them here in the coming months/years.

Excellent post. That sums up alot of the problems here imo.

I've only been here a few month's and I like the forum a lot. The only really hostile place on here is the iPhone forum. But it's like what Ron White say's "You can't fix stupid". So I try to help when I can. :)

[CalBoy]

The only really hostile place on here is the iPhone forum.

Clearly you've never visited the PRSI forum. ;)

[mkrishnan]

I started a thread to say how trouble-free my iphone has been.

To be honest, I understand your motivation, and I'm happy for you to post your experiences, but at the same time, I don't think those threads really help the problem either.

Think about a more extreme example. Say your house had just caught fire due to faulty electrical wiring. If I went and made a thread that was like, "Come on, guys, I plug whatever I want into the outlets and I've lived in my house for fifteen years, and it's never burnt to the ground before..." it would be true that many people have had an experience like mine (the base rate of houses burning down is even lower than the base rate of iPhones being defective).

But does it help your situation any for me to criticize you indirectly for having a burnt down house by pointing out how my house didn't burn down?

I don't think adding another layer of reactionary incivility is going to make the iPhone forum any more civil.

[Trajectory]

Congrats to the OP for creating yet another thread to whine about the whiners. We need more of these types of threads here. :rolleyes:

[mkrishnan]

Congrats to the OP for creating yet another thread to whine about the whiners. We need more of these types of threads here. :rolleyes:

The OP is one of about 15 people who've started threads on this topic that have been merged into this one at this point. ;)

[Cynicalone]

Clearly you've never visited the PRSI forum. ;)

I visit it, but not often. It's kinda dangerous in there. :)

[Cynicalone]

And see today proves what a lot of people say. I posted a thread in the iPhone forum that was also posted in another forum and got jumped for it. The iPhone forum is the worst part of this place. Even leads me to want to tell people to ***** off. And I'm usually a happy person. *sigh*

[Eraserhead]

And see today proves what a lot of people say. I posted a thread in the iPhone forum that was also posted in another forum and got jumped for it.

Well it's against forum rules to post a thread twice...

[MacDawg]

The only really hostile place on here is the iPhone forum. Clearly you've never visited the PRSI forum. ;)

I visit it, but not often. It's kinda dangerous in there. :)

Careful... you will be accused of bashing the PRSI Forum ;)

Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

[xUKHCx]

Well it's against forum rules to post a thread twice...

They didn't cross post it was posted by someone else.

The problem I find when going in there is that people instead of reporting a post/thread they leave snarky comments and jump all over each other which just leads to more and more work. If people simply report posts they can be dealt with. It would be very helpful if they could add links to situations as described above either in the thread or in the report.

[Eraserhead]

Maybe you have to time out members who do that instead of reporting posts...