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iGav
Jan 9, 2004, 06:37 AM
:p :p :p quality....

http://www.robertkilroysilk.com/


he's also somewhat in the ***** after making these comments....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3376633.stm

edesignuk
Jan 9, 2004, 06:53 AM
http://upload.edesignuk.net/uploaded_data/smilies/hitting_heads.gif
Kilroy gets right on my t*ts, he should be put down :eek:

geese
Jan 9, 2004, 07:44 AM
!!! That is so.... out of order !!!

The language is so violent and outragous- its not far from how Hitler spoke about the Jews- and it gets printed in a national paper!

OK, so the The Express is a shabby copy of the Daily Mail (also a horrible little newspaper) and not alot of sane minded people are likely to read it- but British taxpayers money is being given to him to do that stupid show of his.

Sack him now, bbc.

eyelikeart
Jan 9, 2004, 08:20 AM
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Mr. Anderson
Jan 9, 2004, 08:28 AM
Nice one eye - yet I'm thinking given the controversial nature of this you would have been better of in the last line replacing 'geek' with 'wanker' ;)

D

eyelikeart
Jan 9, 2004, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Nice one eye - yet I'm thinking given the controversial nature of this you would have been better of in the last line replacing 'geek' with 'wanker' ;)


ah...true...but that's your word D... ;)

Mr. Anderson
Jan 9, 2004, 09:17 AM
actually, its not really my word - its just much more British and a little more edgier that 'geek'. Actually doesn't mean geek at all ;)

D

eyelikeart
Jan 9, 2004, 09:42 AM
guess that would make me a wanker for not thinking of it, eh? ;)

iGav
Jan 9, 2004, 09:47 AM
Yey.... result...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3383589.stm

9am will never be the same again... :p

edesignuk
Jan 9, 2004, 09:53 AM
GOOD http://upload.edesignuk.net/uploaded_data/smilies/wtf.gif

kettle
Jan 9, 2004, 09:57 AM
A Wanker?

isn't that someone who make rotary aircraft engines??

that's what my dad says it is:p

edesignuk
Jan 9, 2004, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Actually doesn't mean geek at all ;)

D
You're right there, it means....:eek:...no, I won't say it :D

I'm actually kinda surprised "wanker" isn't on the MR word filter, calling the wrong person here in the UK a wanker could very easily wind you up with a black eye :eek:

kettle
Jan 9, 2004, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by geese
!!! That is so.... out of order !!!

The language is so violent and outragous- its not far from how Hitler spoke about the Jews- and it gets printed in a national paper!

OK, so the The Express is a shabby copy of the Daily Mail (also a horrible little newspaper) and not alot of sane minded people are likely to read it- but British taxpayers money is being given to him to do that stupid show of his.

Sack him now, bbc.

Give him a medal more like, this country is full of lilly livered liberal Gaurdian readers who are too scared to think for themselves or to allow anyone else to speak a word against the liberal line.
The state of this cowaring country is what allows socialist groups like the nazi party to get a mind hold over an entire country.
the BBC article finishes by saying that Kilroy shouldn't say things that "weak minded" people may use as reason to attack Arab people.
Imagine what you would need to say to make "weak minded" people hijack aircraft and murder thousands of other people.

Because someone says something doesn't mean they are right or will be agreed with. It take a mass of people too controlled by a single idea to not think as individuals. Imagine how dangerous communist Europe is going to be.

If you think I'm on a mad rant, then someone better make a web site with instructions for what I can and cannot think.

kettle
Jan 9, 2004, 10:57 AM
the worst thing is, someone will want to accuse me of being "just like hitler"

Just because I defend someones right to speak an opinion and not get sacked, doesn't mean I agree with what they are saying. I'm just sick of all these false kindnesses that come with a rule book.
Kindness comes from individual hearts not the comity of facist dogooders.

you want the guy to be sacked! what happens when he never works again and can't afford to keep the stability of life his income provided for others. Life isn't a rosey as some idealists manifesto, life is nasty, brutish and short.

mmmbop
Jan 9, 2004, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by kettle
Give him a medal more like

The man was enjoying two pay cheques; one from the BBC, the other from his Sunday Express column. I think he's probably comfortably set-up for life.

You use the Guardian to bash 'liberals' but you'll find the Guardian is the one paper that will defend free speeech and go to court to get information out in the open, even if the story is worthy but so dull it won't shift any extra copies.

They put up Julie Burchell spouting non-sense for years and now she's pissed off to the Times for a more sizable cheque.

Kilroy said what he said, knew his position and now must pay the price.

Bring on Trisha, queen of daytime trash!

mmmbop
Jan 9, 2004, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by kettle
If you think I'm on a mad rant, then someone better make a web site with instructions for what I can and cannot think.

Well I think you agreed to certain rules on what you can and cannot say on these forums. You could start there.

sparky76
Jan 9, 2004, 04:14 PM
Back on topic - maybe you don't agree with Kilroy, but isn't he right to start a debate? The Arab world has vehemently ranted against the west, and liberal western opinion has said any criticism of this is racist. About time we rejected this and allowed proper debate.

britboy
Jan 9, 2004, 05:12 PM
Kettle> I have to say that I agree with you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, whether it be of a positive or negative nature. If Kilroy feels this way (which he kind of seems to....) about arabs in general, then why shouldn't he? Much of what he said rings true.

Besides, what kind of idiot is going to use something like this as a reason to attack someone they think might be arab?

patrick0brien
Jan 9, 2004, 05:42 PM
-I don't know which is funnier

The link, or edesignuk's emoticon-nishylookingthing.

kettle
Jan 10, 2004, 03:13 AM
Found out some more info, apparently this article was printed a few months back and recieved no complaints, the article was then re-printed and got a good kicking, allowing the BBC to take Kilroy's show off the air while they investigate complaints and try to get better ratings with something else.
...Maybe Kilroy had a really water tight contract that kept him on air even though he was so desperately bad at providing entertainment.

iGav
Jan 10, 2004, 07:37 AM
I'm just chuffed that the his smug, arrogant, perma-tanned face has been removed from our screens... ;) :p

mmmbop
Jan 10, 2004, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by kettle
allowing the BBC to take Kilroy's show off the air while they investigate complaints and try to get better ratings with something else

:eek: Oh no, they're gonna fill the slot with more DIY/home improvement shows featuring the already over-exposed Linda Barker. Arrrrgh, run for the hills!!

Mr. Anderson
Jan 10, 2004, 11:25 AM
It doesn't seem to me that this would be a career ending quote - not like some others who haven't been as lucky.

any publicity is good publicity for him, i'm guessing.

D

pseudobrit
Jan 11, 2004, 01:14 AM
He'll be on Fox News Channel by year's end.

mmmbop
Jan 11, 2004, 06:16 AM
Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
It doesn't seem to me that this would be a career ending quote - not like some others who haven't been as lucky.

It might be the end of his BBC career but unlikely now he's retracted his remarks and apologised for any offence caused.

The fact that it was first printed before the BBC brought in new guidelines (following the Hutton inquiry) on journalists/presenters taking an extra cheque from newpaper columns may save his bacon.

Update: It helps if I read more carefully the news before I post! His apology amounted to 'regret' over his comments appearing 'out of context', so not really an apology at all. And oh, he's publicly blamed his secretary for the re-print. A true hero for our times :rolleyes:

amnesiac1984
Jan 11, 2004, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by britboy


Besides, what kind of idiot is going to use something like this as a reason to attack someone they think might be arab?

the sort of idiot who reads the express or the daily mail! :p

amnesiac1984
Jan 11, 2004, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by sparky76
Back on topic - maybe you don't agree with Kilroy, but isn't he right to start a debate? The Arab world has vehemently ranted against the west, and liberal western opinion has said any criticism of this is racist. About time we rejected this and allowed proper debate.

He's not starting a debate, and if he is it is far from "proper".

You don't start a debate this way:

The presenter branded Arabs "suicide bombers, limb amputators, women repressors" and asked what they had given to the world other than oil.

For a start you get some facts straight. I wonder what they gave us Robert? hmm, maybe our whole maths system and the basics of science we have used for hundreds of years, thats a start.

Anyway my main point is you do not start a debate by bein inflammatory, thats how you start arguments, hatred and in the end war. You cannot judge the middle east by our standards, how can we impose our morals on them?

We should be working to improve relations with the Middle east and Arab nations all the time. This kind of crap really doesn't help.

patrick0brien
Jan 11, 2004, 12:59 PM
-amnesiac1984

I'm not defending Kilroy.

I just wish to point out that there is a monster difference between Arabs and Persians even though one group was borne from the other. Persians were not muslims because they were an empire long before the religion existed.

From them we get the 'zero', written language including the left-to-right reading and writing method, and even organized civilization itself.

amnesiac1984
Jan 11, 2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-amnesiac1984

I'm not defending Kilroy.

I just wish to point out that there is a monster difference between Arabs and Persians even though one group was borne from the other. Persians were not muslims because they were an empire long before the religion existed.

From them we get the 'zero', written language including the left-to-right reading and writing method, and even organized civilization itself.

i stand corrected. still doesn't change the fact that Kilroy's comments were out of line.

kettle
Jan 11, 2004, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-amnesiac1984

I'm not defending Kilroy.

I just wish to point out that there is a monster difference between Arabs and Persians even though one group was borne from the other. Persians were not muslims because they were an empire long before the religion existed.

From them we get the 'zero', written language including the left-to-right reading and writing method, and even organized civilization itself.

My only faith(lack of or otherwise) is in humans, especially humans like Patrick0Brian who add the real perspective to the situation. It's not the exellent human ability of discrimination, it's the wanting to use the common allegiances of discrimination as a lever or wedge between human social structures. We must trust ourselves to think for ourselves. We shouldn't ban anger and rudeness and all the other less P.C. traits in a hope we'll have a better world. There needs to be a renewed admiration and faith for the kindness found in the majority of individual people. There needs to be an end of "with us or against us" movements like the P.C. movement has become. All good sentiment but sadly overwhelmed by another blind control more powerful than any of the people alledgedly in control of it. It has all the same strength leverages that other far more terrible movements have had. (30's early 40's Europe):(

patrick0brien
Jan 11, 2004, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by kettle
My only faith(lack of or otherwise) is in humans, especially humans like Patrick0Brian who add the real perspective to the situation. It's not the exellent human ability of discrimination, it's the wanting to use the common allegiances of discrimination as a lever or wedge between human social structures...

-kettle

It's a little hard to tell, but should I feel complimented, or downtrodden by your comments?

I was trying to prevent the values of one group of persons being projected onto another group.

amnesiac1984
Jan 11, 2004, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by kettle
My only faith(lack of or otherwise) is in humans, especially humans like Patrick0Brian who add the real perspective to the situation. It's not the exellent human ability of discrimination, it's the wanting to use the common allegiances of discrimination as a lever or wedge between human social structures. We must trust ourselves to think for ourselves. We shouldn't ban anger and rudeness and all the other less P.C. traits in a hope we'll have a better world. There needs to be a renewed admiration and faith for the kindness found in the majority of individual people. There needs to be an end of "with us or against us" movements like the P.C. movement has become. All good sentiment but sadly overwhelmed by another blind control more powerful than any of the people alledgedly in control of it. It has all the same strength leverages that other far more terrible movements have had. (30's early 40's Europe):(

I can completely agree and understand most of your statement but don't you see that is exactly what Kilroy is doing. Using discrimination as a wedge (And very well put I might add). He's successsfuly stuck a huge wedge between express/mail reading tools and the muslim world. and Pried (sp?) them apart beautifully. What a surefire route to world peace! :rolleyes:
Regardless of how true/untrue these statements may be, they are not helpful.

I also agree that the individual is very important and agree that there exists a kindness, but that kindness can be manipulated, and so in times of change we need to pull together more. And change is needed, desperately.

kettle
Jan 12, 2004, 05:05 AM
Originally posted by amnesiac1984
I can completely agree and understand most of your statement but don't you see that is exactly what Kilroy is doing.

It's not so much Kilroy doing anything, he just did something foolish as a presenter with a carear to consider. It is the "that's just what Hitler did" that puts the bosh on anything anyone can say, It trumps the discussion dead. Kilroy just said some awkward words to show that it is O.K. to say what you think, he was setting an example so people would say what they were feeling inorder for it to be discussed openly and with confidence. The fact that people feel it's racist to comment in a negative way about another race/culture is what drives the brooding silence and social devision.
Better we have a fake tanned, hair died sackable tv presenter leading a debate than a bonifide Political Party driven to the front by a wave of silenced misunderstandings.
BNP north east England for example, and Dartford to the east of London already:mad:

kettle
Jan 12, 2004, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-kettle

It's a little hard to tell, but should I feel complimented, or downtrodden by your comments?

No, you're ace. Feel complimented and downtrodden. You are downtrodden because the "Flow" don't find it very comfortable when people step from the flow, they assume you are moving against the flow. In fact standing on the bank of the "flow" looking at how the fast moving gurgle of information can be deepened and calmed into a slower, clearer "flow" is probably one of the most comendable things to be done with comunication.

I find word difficult to fine tune and as a result have a tendancy toward ranting.
I have also noticed that as the world lives and communicates much faster, people often automatically say No to any proposition or statement made. What they usually mean is - I really haven't got the time or energy to process what you just said, shut up and do what I want. 95% of the time all the fellow human is requesting is conformation that what they think is the same as you. 95% of the time it is, it just gets lost in translation. In the mean time we get less practiced in the skills we really need and impresively confident in the safe well practiced and proven negative answer.

In Mac terms I think this is why the Mac struggles to come back. People don't want to hear that there is an alternative to "Wndoze Hell" they just don't have the energy to make such punishingly simple decision.