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nickel123
Aug 16, 2008, 08:00 PM
Ok, i am about to make one great transition! going from windows xp to macintosh!!!! i hate how slow and how full of viruses it gets, and i heard apple has very little viruses, and faster speeds. anywho, i want an ibook g4 because it is cheaper than the macbook, i like the style, and other reasons. but, i don't know if i should buy one. if you have one, please state all the reasons why you like it and why you don't like it. also, one more thing is where can i find a brand new one instead of a used one? oh btw i just want a computer where i can surf the web, upload songs onto my ipod, and maybe write papers for school, nothing fancy like photo editing, and movie creating or all those other great things. is it a good computer for those things? i am aware that the macbook has intel processors and the g4 doesn't, but i don't care. like i said i want a computer for surfing the web. sorry if it is kind of long, but i am new to the world of macs! also, i have had great experiences with ipods so i expect the same or better from a mac.



SnowLeopard2008
Aug 16, 2008, 08:11 PM
welcome to MR forums and the world of no viruses!

I've used the iBook G4 which got stolen at school last semester. While I did have it, it was a great machine, if you do choose to get one, get the latest revision, the 1.33GHZ 512MB ram version. This was the last revision before intel transition, so it has the least bugs. It's perfect (at least for me) for IM, web surfing (i did this way too often), even a little movie editing with ilife 06.

I've used it for all the purposes you listed, so I'm pretty sure it will work for you. As for a new one, I'm not so sure, since it is old and chances of finding a new one is slim, but you can try ebay, almost all of them are used. also, the graphics card in that laptop isnt too bad. its ATI Radeon Mobile series.

ebay, craigslist, these sites are the best bet for used/new alike.

Macky-Mac
Aug 16, 2008, 08:19 PM
...also, one more thing is where can i find a brand new one instead of a used one?...

they stopped making them a couple of years ago when they started making the Macbook so it's going to be extremely difficult (if not impossible) to find a "brand new" one

iToaster
Aug 16, 2008, 08:21 PM
The iBook was retired in 2006, there are no brand new iBooks anywhere anymore. As for getting the iBook, it's not worth it in a switching point of view because the G4 is really low performing compared to the Intel processors. In a relative comparison using benchmarks between an iBook and MacBook, the fastest iBook scored 774 and the slowest MacBook ever scored 2298 with current models up to 3135. PowerPC processors are most likely to be unsupported in the next release of OS X, but it has already started with iMovie not supported on the G4. You must know of the phrase "you get what you pay for" and that's why the iBook costs less, it's older and much slower. At the moment, you can find some good deals on MacBooks on Apple's refurb store (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nclm=CertifiedMac)... the refurbished units are essentially new but are repaired DOAs or just quick returns.

Of course, for your uses, an iBook might be Ok, but with the increased usage of flash around the internet, which is very processor intensive, it can and probably will choke up on some more flash intensive sites (I know my PowerBook does sometimes).

iwuzbord
Aug 16, 2008, 08:27 PM
well, for your needs, it seems as if a ibook g4 would be fine for you

this one here (http://cgi.ebay.com/iBOOK-G4-14-40GB-133mhz-512mb-OSX10-4-10-W-WARRANTY_W0QQitemZ110279138570QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110279138570&_trkparms=72%3A1018%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14) on ebay actually goes for 500. Its used but im using it just as an example for the price differences.

the difference between the ppc processors and intel processors wont really be a problem for wht you want. you really want something basic, and the ibook is great for that, especially because you are saving money.:)

nickel123
Aug 16, 2008, 08:43 PM
ok great! i think i will go for it and while i have it, i will save up for the next generation macbook, wich supposedly will come out soon. i am in no need for an advanced computer with all the latest things right now, i will get that when i start college, in a few years.

mward333
Aug 16, 2008, 08:58 PM
ok great! i think i will go for it and while i have it, i will save up for the next generation macbook, wich supposedly will come out soon. i am in no need for an advanced computer with all the latest things right now, i will get that when i start college, in a few years.

My wife got the last iBook before the processors were switched to Intel (i.e., she got the 1.42 GHz iBook G4), and she absolutely loves it. We bought it as soon as it was released in 2005, and they were discontinued within the next year, and hers is still going strong.

Her dad has the same computer too and loves it. These are reliable machines (in my experience), so I think that you will enjoy your experience with such an iBook.

Some folks will hesitate to buy a PowerPC machine, now that Apple runs on all Intel processors, and that's a fair thing to think about. Just something to consider.......

Good luck!

nickel123
Aug 16, 2008, 11:29 PM
ok so how does this one soud? http://www.macunwired.net/Site/iBook_G4_.html

they have more in their ebay store.

also, this one http://www.gainsaver.com/gainsaver/app/catalog/Detail.aspx?&CCode=1015^Apple&CCode=1022^iBooks&PageIndex=0&PageMax=40&ActiveCat=&cICode=43735

Both sites sell them as "refurbished" basically they get the ibooks and restore them and fix any poblems they have. are they good choices

belunos
Aug 17, 2008, 12:51 AM
There's been some hoo-ha over gainsaver, and I don't know anything about the other site. I usually try to stick to macofalltrades.com or powermax.com. Here's one on macofalltrades:

http://www.macofalltrades.com/Apple_G4_1_2GHz_12_iBook_512_30GB_Combo_Drive_APX_p/g412ib125.htm

Please keep in mind that the older the system is, the shorter the life expectancy will be on it. You can probably find a first or second gen macbook pretty cheaply

Pixellated
Aug 17, 2008, 01:27 AM
1- The gainsaver thing you liked us to is a scam! Stay Away!!!
2 - I would go to the apple website and look for a certified reseller.

donga
Aug 17, 2008, 02:51 AM
i think an ibook g4 does the basics well. saw a guy in december at the genius bar with an incredibly beat up one, but i guess it's still goin.

one note though with ppc: you might run into issues like i tried to watch the nbcolympics video but it only worked for intel macs, thus i had to settle for watching it through the pc

Moks
Aug 17, 2008, 03:52 AM
My iBook G4 1.2 Ghz is still going strong after 4 years ('cept for a dead firewire port) & I will probably be using it for another year before retiring it. :)

For internet/email/ipod/word-processing it is fine. I use photoshop elements 6 to clean up my photographs and imovie (old version) - maybe a tad slow compared to newer models but it does the job ok. If you can find a good one for a good price then go for it

queshy
Aug 17, 2008, 11:10 AM
save your money for a refurb MacBook. The MacBook will go circles around the iBook G4.

scienide09
Aug 17, 2008, 11:21 AM
I agree with the above post. The MacBook will be a better long term investment. A refurb is like new, has has been reconditioned by experienced Apple techs. I have two refurb product, and am happy with both purchases.

Besides, the MB should last you well into college.

queshy
Aug 17, 2008, 11:24 AM
I agree with the above post. The MacBook will be a better long term investment. A refurb is like new, has has been reconditioned by experienced Apple techs. I have two refurb product, and am happy with both purchases.

Besides, the MB should last you well into college.

I've never purchased a refurb, but from the posts on this forum, they supposedly appear to be scratchless and brand new in all respects, and have been double checked by someone at QC.

For a few hundred dollars or whatever the case may be, the MacBook is definitely a better investment. Don't forget, Snow Leopard, the next version of the Mac operating system, might be intel dependent, and PPC might not be supported (as far as I know...).

Just looking ahead, here...

gonyr
Aug 17, 2008, 12:07 PM
Based on your intended usage, an ibook would be perfect. You should be able to track on down on craigslist for about $300, or less if you're lucky. I got mine about a year ago for $200. If you see one cheap, grab it, they are great machines. By the time you're ready for more intensive applications, today's macbooks will also be woefully obsolete. There's no need for the latest and greatest - just get what you need.

nickel123
Aug 17, 2008, 12:13 PM
thanks for warning me about gainsaver, i knew their prices were to good to be true. anyways a refurbished macbook from apple costs $899. hopefully with the talk of a "new" update on macbooks, these will drop while i save my money. thanks for warning me about gainsaver and i will do some research about the macbook and compare ibook to macbook, but it looks like macbook is winning!:)

queshy
Aug 17, 2008, 12:18 PM
Based on your intended usage, an ibook would be perfect. You should be able to track on down on craigslist for about $300, or less if you're lucky. I got mine about a year ago for $200. If you see one cheap, grab it, they are great machines. By the time you're ready for more intensive applications, today's macbooks will also be woefully obsolete. There's no need for the latest and greatest - just get what you need.

If you're thinking that far ahead (i.e. today's MacBooks will be obsolete - that won't happen for a while) - why recommend such an old machine?

Even for things like web surfing, IM'ing, e-mails, etc., the MacBook will execute those tasks a lot faster. The overall interface of leopard will be far superior on the macbook. Plus, it's possible that the iBook will come with Tiger, in which case you're missing lots of great features that Leopard incorporates.

To the OP - once the new updates come, today's MacBook will drop in price. you could even pick up a used MacBook, and save some money there.

Alfie
Aug 17, 2008, 12:36 PM
I would also recommend holding out for the Macbook. I actually own the iBook 1 Ghz you are looking at. Mine has been upgraded to 1gb of RAM and it works pretty good for basic surfing, etc. However, over the last few months, I have noticed it having a hard time keeping up with even the most basic tasks. I guess time is catching up with it. Plus, I think we'll be seeing more and more software dropping support for the PowerPC chips. Might as well save up a little longer and get something that will server you longer.

gonyr
Aug 17, 2008, 02:06 PM
Even for things like web surfing, IM'ing, e-mails, etc., the MacBook will execute those tasks a lot faster. The overall interface of leopard will be far superior on the macbook. Plus, it's possible that the iBook will come with Tiger, in which case you're missing lots of great features that Leopard incorporates.

Mostly because the OP said he wanted to surf the web, and use email and itunes. Any old machine can do those things easily, so why not do it as cheaply as possible. If that's really all he needs, a g4 is more than fast enough.

Things like email and Im'ing mostly depend on his typing speed. If it takes an extra second or two to send an email, who cares? And tiger will work just fine for everything he wants to do.

Insulin Junkie
Aug 17, 2008, 02:12 PM
Another vote for Macbook from here.

nickel123
Aug 17, 2008, 05:33 PM
geez i don't know. i am just going to save up money for another month and see what happens from there but i really want to be up to date with the latest software not the older ones, and fast is what i want. i am a pretty fast typer, but that doesn't make any much of a difference for me. one more question i have is does the macbook have a brighter screen than the ibook g4? thanks everyone for all your help. i just don't know!!:mad: kind of depressing lol.. i will mostly base my decision from now on, on the price, if i find a pretty good deal on the macbook, i will get it, i know that it is well worth the price.

queshy
Aug 17, 2008, 10:14 PM
Mostly because the OP said he wanted to surf the web, and use email and itunes. Any old machine can do those things easily, so why not do it as cheaply as possible. If that's really all he needs, a g4 is more than fast enough.

Things like email and Im'ing mostly depend on his typing speed. If it takes an extra second or two to send an email, who cares? And tiger will work just fine for everything he wants to do.

Of course Tiger will work fine - but why spend money on not only old hardware but also old software when the newest stuff is right within reach? The iBook will still cost money. Also, in a few years, how much will that iBook be worth? The MacBook will undoubtedly hold its value better since it's a few years newer.

And yes, I do agree that lots of it depends on typing speed - but i'm talking about the overall snapiness of the machine - in terms of opening apps, actually starting up the machine, switching between apps, etc., - all this stuff will run faster on a MacBook, and it doesn't matter if the user is a new user or a power user - s/he will notice the speed increase.

Again - it does depend on the price - if I really wanted to go as inexpensive as possible and all I really needed to do was typing and was willing to go used - a $200 iBook would be a good choice over a $900 MacBook, but I don't think the price difference will be that large.

geez i don't know. i am just going to save up money for another month and see what happens from there but i really want to be up to date with the latest software not the older ones, and fast is what i want. i am a pretty fast typer, but that doesn't make any much of a difference for me. one more question i have is does the macbook have a brighter screen than the ibook g4? thanks everyone for all your help. i just don't know!!:mad: kind of depressing lol.. i will mostly base my decision from now on, on the price, if i find a pretty good deal on the macbook, i will get it, i know that it is well worth the price.

The MacBook screen is supposedly much, much brighter. Read the early reviews (MacBook, core duo) - as these reviews make more comparisons to the just-then-replaced iBook G4.

If you want to be up to date in terms of software, the iBook would be a terrible choice since Leopard (or Snow Leopard) wouldn't run well or at all, period.

If you can, TRY an iBook before buying one - and then go try a MacBook. That will help you make up your mind. Truth is, though, that iBooks are rare now - since back in the PPC days Macs were much rarer than they are now. Now every second person has a MacBook, but back then it wasn't so. My estimate is that at least 90% of Mac owners are running Intel machines.

nickel123
Aug 17, 2008, 10:40 PM
ok, i will try to get my hands on an ibook g4, and a macbook, i know that the apple store lets you use macbooks before buying them so i will stop by them sometime next week... but, what if i upgrade the ibook g4 to the latest mac osx leopard 10.5? anyways, the value of it won't matter i won't resell it. but i still don't know....

can someone please list me some reasons that make the ibook g4 bad or worse than the macbook besides the intel proccessors?

Vulcan
Aug 17, 2008, 10:58 PM
ok, i will try to get my hands on an ibook g4, and a macbook, i know that the apple store lets you use macbooks before buying them so i will stop by them sometime next week... but, what if i upgrade the ibook g4 to the latest mac osx leopard 10.5? anyways, the value of it won't matter i won't resell it. but i still don't know....

can someone please list me some reasons that make the ibook g4 bad or worse than the macbook besides the intel proccessors?

The old design, being slower, and it lacks a warranty. For all you know, you could buy one and it could break the next day and you'd be out $500.

Believe me, just save up for a new one and you won't regret it.

LowEnder
Aug 18, 2008, 12:14 AM
Although I agree that a refurbished MacBook from Apple Store is the way to go (and prices should be falling as new models are expected thsi fall), I also understand your desire to get started with an older model.
LowEndMac http://www.lowendmac.com/ is an excellent source of information on all aspects of older (and current) Macs.
They also run a biweekly list of prices and sellers for various models. Here is the link for the iBook G4 http://www.lowendmac.com/deals/best-ibook-g4-prices.html
Make sure to choose a seller who offers a warranty and to check the seller out on Google (search for "problems with [name of seller]" or similar terms]
And don't forget to check with the nearest Authorized Apple Reseller!
Good luck! let us know what you decide...

SkyBell
Aug 18, 2008, 12:22 AM
Best computer I have ever owned, period.

Go for it, you will not regret it.

North Bronson
Aug 18, 2008, 12:38 AM
Here's something else the iBook has going for it: a built in modem. You just might find yourself stuck somewhere in despepate need of a fax machine. . . which the iBook will give you (although I've never used it). I've also used dial-up internet with my iBook when I was out at my grandma's once. Apple does sell an external modem to use with the MacBook, though.

Plus that matte screen is just fresh!

FadeToBlack
Aug 18, 2008, 03:28 AM
I bought an iBook G4 from a member here on MR back in like February and I love it. It's PERFECT for just browsing the web, iTunes, Mail, instant messaging, etc. I haven't really tried to do anything more intensive than that on it, but it's awesome at simple stuff, for sure.

I have actually found myself using it more than my iMac C2D lately. I'm typing this right now on the iBook. It's a 1.33GHz 12" with 1GB RAM. The last revision before the MacBook. No doubt that it's way slower than an Intel machine, but if all you wanna do is the simple stuff, it'll suit you fine.

As others have pointed out, though, you won't have a warranty if you buy one. If you're comfortable with opening up a laptop to change parts, that might not be a problem. For me, I have a friend that can work on mine for me if something breaks, so that's a good thing. I wouldn't open it up, that's for sure.

I paid around $500 for mine and I know I could have got a refurb MacBook, but I wanted a "beater" computer that I could take anywhere I want and not really worry about scratching it, etc., and I'm very satisfied with my purchase.

I'm also running the latest version of Leopard and it runs excellent. And with Spaces, screen real estate isn't really an issue.

I say if you want an iBook G4, go for it. They are great computers and especially if you can find one for cheap, I think you'll be very happy with it.

Anything beats using Windows, right? :cool:

jcoop
Aug 18, 2008, 10:57 AM
I have an iBook G4/1.33 (the 12" model) that I use a surprising amount, considering that I have a much faster MBP available (the iBook is safer to use when my 3-year-old daughter is around). It's a great little machine, and I really enjoy it. It must be said, though, that even for web surfing it's getting long in the tooth--it occasionally struggles with Youtube, for example.

If part of your problem with XP is that you found it slow, I think you might be frustrated by an iBook. But if you do go the iBook route, I'd encourage you to look for the 1.33 GHz or 1.42 GHz models (the latter is 14" only).

nickel123
Aug 18, 2008, 01:04 PM
question for the ibook, when you load a website on it does it show right away, or does it lag for like 5 seconds to show the website? my computer now is very slow on loading websites.

macunwired
Aug 18, 2008, 01:25 PM
question for the ibook, when you load a website on it does it show right away, or does it lag for like 5 seconds to show the website? my computer now is very slow on loading websites.

Hey there,

You actually went to my website earlier: macunwired.net (Thanks for all the extra traffic! Since this post I have had about 10X the hits as usual!)... I have a video posted on youtube demoing the speed of a G4 iBook on the internet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJuD_FDJXo4

Note that I have a fast DSL connection... this video is mainly to show the rendering of the pages, not the load-time. If you have a internet service like satellite... there will be a long latency before the page starts loading.

I will post again soon with some of my experiences with iBook G4's. It is a hard choice between MacBook or iBook with the price differences and your needs.

nickel123
Aug 18, 2008, 01:42 PM
Hey there,

You actually went to my website earlier: macunwired.net (Thanks for all the extra traffic! Since this post I have had about 10X the hits as usual!)... I have a video posted on youtube demoing the speed of a G4 iBook on the internet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJuD_FDJXo4

Note that I have a fast DSL connection... this video is mainly to show the rendering of the pages, not the load-time. If you have a internet service like satellite... there will be a long latency before the page starts loading.

I will post again soon with some of my experiences with iBook G4's. It is a hard choice between MacBook or iBook with the price differences and your needs.

you're welcome, i am interested in the products you sell so that's why i posted your link.

cdcastillo
Aug 18, 2008, 05:10 PM
I have had 3 iBooks, one powerbook and a macbook. All of them were (the MB is) little sturdy machines that processed everything I threw at them.

The last iBook I parted with, went all across the country to my dad, who is a college teacher in the city where he lives and a high-school teacher in one nearby town. He recently started an on-line course and he needed a laptop for mobility (as he spends a good couple of hours of daily commuting), to create and grade tests, to research on the web and to keep in touch with his family (besides me, he has brothers and sisters living all across the country).

So I gave him my trusty iBook G4 (1.33 GHz, 1GB RAM, OS X.5.4) and he is really happy with it. He loves the small size and weight (as it is not the only thing he needs to carry on him) and it serves his needs wonderfully; I can even trouble shoot with screen sharing trough iChat.

So, Count my vote for the iBook.

nickel123
Aug 18, 2008, 05:20 PM
I have come to my final decision. After countless hours of research, I figured that the macbook is way too far expensive for my budget, too many programs I am paying extra for that I don't need, and alot of various things I will not be using for until a new version of the software comes out. Anyways although the iBook isn't perfect, It suits my needs perfectly. All I am looking for, is a laptop, an apple mac laptop, and a latop that is faster than my current windows machine. And believe that the ibook g4 has what i need, the speed I need, and the look and style i want. Thankyou all who persuaded me in getting a macbook, I really considered it, and I wish I could own them both, but I cant, and don't need them both. The iBook will be perfect like others have said. It will sync songs to my ipod, maybe i will use AIM or Yahoo IM, i wil use it for typing school papers, and most importantly of all web surfing. I just need a basic computer. iBook g4 will deliver me everything I need. Thanks everyone for all your help! :apple: FTW!!!!!!

iBook G4 wins!

PaulMoore
Aug 18, 2008, 05:21 PM
The only caution about an older iBook (as an owner of one) is that the battery life diminishes as they age so if you don't know how reliable the battery is, set aside a bit of cash to buy a replacement. Unless you'll always power it from an outlet, of course.

nickel123
Aug 18, 2008, 05:25 PM
The only caution about an older iBook (as an owner of one) is that the battery life diminishes as they age so if you don't know how reliable the battery is, set aside a bit of cash to buy a replacement. Unless you'll always power it from an outlet, of course.

thanks for your advice, i will definately use it wirelessly so i will set aside some cash for a new replacement.

FadeToBlack
Aug 19, 2008, 02:04 AM
I get about 5 hours on my battery. I'm not sure if the previous owner replaced it or not, but it gets excellent battery life. I use it plugged in most of the time, though.

queshy
Aug 19, 2008, 07:42 PM
OP, I'm glad you made a decision, and I think you made the right decision given your budget.

Be warned though to thoroughly check over the iBook before you buy it. Make sure it works perfectly or acceptably before buying. Because it probably won't have any kind of warranty on it. Good luck and enjoy your machine whnever you get it!

Oh and BTW, if you do buy an iBook now ,for say $400, in 3 years it will probably be worth close to $0.

But if you buy a MacBook nbow for $900, in 3 years it will be worth, I don't know, 600?

So the MacBook might actually be a better buy financially :P

nickel123
Aug 19, 2008, 10:06 PM
yes indeed i will look it over thoroughly and i will talk to the seller about a warranty for it. so i will do some good research on the ibook i buy before pressing "buy it now" financially i don't really care i mean if it goes down in value to zero dollars, the important thing is that i enjoyed it and it helped me with computer related stuff.