GarageBand needs DVD to install! :(

[ChrisH3677]

Check requirements.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/canadastore?productLearnMore=M9364LL/A

There's gunna be a lot of disappointed ppl!

Plus it says iLife 04 needs 256Mb RAM... yet comes on the base eMac that only has 128Mb. Is there an eMac upgrade in the works?

[Sun Baked]

Nothing new about needing DVD drives, it won't be long before Apple requires a DVD to install quite a bit of their software.

Not a Superdrive, not even any drive write capabilities, just a drive that plays DVDs.

Because it'll be easier to include stuff on a DVD, instead of a CD.

[Nermal]

Do Apple even sell systems anymore that can't read DVDs?

[rainman::|:|]

even my iMac reads DVDs. and it's freaking old. i wouldn't be too concerned.

i can't believe they're still shipping machines with 128.

paul

[Powerbook G5]

My PowerBook that I got in the first part of 1999 reads DVDs, so if a 5 year old computer has the capability, I'd say most anyone with OS X should be covered.

[ChrisH3677]

true true. i forgot about the combo drive. am still used to buying PCs (coz of work) where CDROM is the norm.

my mistake. I'll blame the stress of the wait!!! :D Apple should have a countdown clock to GB! :D

[iindigo]

I have a 400mhz indigo iMac DV from summer 2000 and it won't read DVDs :(

[mnkeybsness]

my 1.75 year old quicksilver only has cdrw inside of it... it's really getting to be a pain in the ars.

[Finiksa]

My Summer 2001 iMac only has a CD-RW. It doesn't meet the other requirements for GarageBand and iLife '04 anyway. Time for a new eMac.

[Powerbook G5]

Couldn't you get an external DVD for pretty cheap these days if you really want to run it?

[tdhurst]

Originally posted by iindigo
I have a 400mhz indigo iMac DV from summer 2000 and it won't read DVDs :(

Really? You iMac DV did not come with a DVD-Drive? You sure?

[Powerbook G5]

My sister had a 2000 DV and I am pretty sure it had a combo drive, but perhaps there was an option for CD only as well. It was 500 MHz Flower Power, I am not too up on the different iMac revs, but I am pretty sure it was a 2000.

[mac15]

Gargeband itself is a whooping 1.4GB with loops . And with the rest of the ilife package it only makes sense to ship it on DVD.

[ChrisH3677]

From the specs:

- 4.3GB of disk space required to install GarageBand, iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, and iDVD; or 250MB to install iTunes, iPhoto, and iMovie only



My iDVD app directory is 1.7Gb... so 4.3-1.7-.25 =2.35Gb

No wonder it all needs a DVD.

[virividox]

havent combo drives been the norm for about 2 years

[irmongoose]

Think of it this way: if you don't have a Mac with a DVD drive, it's probably too old to run GarageBand well anyways.

Even with a machine bought in 2002 (15" FP iMac), I'm starting to feel a bit "left out". The rate at which your machine gets outdated is rising, and fast.

Well, probably the leap from the G4 to the insanely greater G5 has something to do with it...



irmongoose

[Squire]

Originally posted by virividox
havent combo drives been the norm for about 2 years

Yeah, with the exception of one iBook model, I think. I seem to recall seeing a "CD-ROM" iBook up until early last year.

Squire

[mmmbop]

Originally posted by virividox
havent combo drives been the norm for about 2 years

Nope, but nearly. My summer 2002 iMac won't read DVDs. That'll teach me: never buy the entry-level model. :(

[darwinist]

Originally posted by Squire
Yeah, with the exception of one iBook model, I think. I seem to recall seeing a "CD-ROM" iBook up until early last year.

Squire

Some of the educational versions of iBook still don't have combo drives, maybe that's the one you saw. No GarageBand at school!

darwinist

[iindigo]

Originally posted by appleretailguy
Really? You iMac DV did not come with a DVD-Drive? You sure?

Absolutely positively. In fact, I even had to buy an extrnal CD-RW.

Originally posted by mmmbop
That'll teach me: never buy the entry-level model.

I hear that... I got the model just above the bottom model and am still kicking myself for it...

[applekid]

Apple should've had a multi-CD install and a DVD install in one package.

Now I just need some money from my family to get a pre-order for iLife and I'll be in good hands :D

[Powerbook G5]

Wouldn't that add to the cost if they did that? Besides, that would render including iDVD as an all in one suite kind of useless.

[Photorun]

This forum hijacted by the DVD topic? Anyhoo it is an interesting point, I have a few Macs kicking around and it occured to me I have a 2000 Indigo iMac that's only a CD ROM. I wonder how one is supposed to upgrade to Panther or if that's possible, I suppose one could check the tech docs at apple.com and see if under "supported models" it lists "a Mac with at least a combo drive." Additionally Apple's lack of supporting external DVD drives would make it trick as you probably can't make the external the start up disc. If so then this is rather dumb of Apple but I'm putting the cart in front of the horse.

[Photorun]

Originally posted by mmmbop
Nope, but nearly. My summer 2002 iMac won't read DVDs. That'll teach me: never buy the entry-level model. :(

The eMac was still sold as a CD ROM up until this fall, I think that's the winner for how recent it was Apple sold non DVD reading computers.

[Powerbook G5]

Why couldn't you upgrade to Panther if you have a CD-ROM drive? Panther just comes on three CDs and a fourth CD for XCode.

[earlopogous]

Originally posted by Squire
Yeah, with the exception of one iBook model, I think. I seem to recall seeing a "CD-ROM" iBook up until early last year.

Squire

yes, i have one of those cd only iBooks. This doesnt really matter, since my hard drive doesnt have enough space for 2.3 GB of loops

[elgruga]

you could always ask a friend with a dvd drive to network install GarageBand.

[Sobes]

My brother who is an avid musician and extremely excited about GarageBand has an iMac DV 600MHz with a CD-RW drive in it. He meets the minimum requirements for the software so he would like to try it out but he fits into the same DVD dilemma a lot of people are falling into. So, I'm going to attempt a Mac-to-Mac connection with a piece of crossover cable to do the install. At first I was going to hook into his network but I think the direct connection will be faster. We have used a similar set-up before and it has worked just fine. Especially if Apple has this set up as a package on the DVD. All I should have to do then is simply copy the package to his computer and run the install.

[Sabenth]

but can i just get the iLife Pack and put the dvd in windows and network and drag over the files needed. install that way
bloody hope so i want to play ..

I have a lot of audio software but never seen anything this cheap for this sort of thing so its a steal.

[theipodgod16]

the base model ibook was a cdrom from its release at 500mz all the way up to 900mz, until the ibook g4 came in october. i'd hate to be someone who bought a 900mz ibook cdrom. too bad you cant upgrade either, once its installed.

[Sobes]

Originally posted by Sabenth
but can i just get the iLife Pack and put the dvd in windows and network and drag over the files needed. install that way
bloody hope so i want to play ..

Not sure if this would definitely work but it sounds like a good way to attempt it. Then again, I'm not even positive my method will work but I figure it's worth a shot because it has worked in the past.

[discstickers]

you could always use firewire disc mode. That should be even faster than ethernet cross over, unless you're doing gigabit.

[applekid]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Wouldn't that add to the cost if they did that? Besides, that would render including iDVD as an all in one suite kind of useless.

Hmmm, a blank DVD is about 5 bucks. Since it'll be massed-produced I'd say closer to 2 bucks. It wouldn't be highly expensive.

[Squire]

Originally posted by applekid
Hmmm, a blank DVD is about 5 bucks. Since it'll be massed-produced I'd say closer to 2 bucks. It wouldn't be highly expensive.

Remember, the DVD-equipped machines are generally faster and, therefore, better able to perform with the more advanced apps. Also, I would totally agree with your comment if it were a more expensive package but at $49...

Squire

[Poff]

Originally posted by Squire
Remember, the DVD-equipped machines are generally faster and, therefore, better able to perform with the more advanced apps. Also, I would totally agree with your comment if it were a more expensive package but at $49...

Squire

I don´t think Apple are trying to earn money on this package. They are most definitely allready at a loss from the modelling of the instruments (if the models are any good - time will show.)

They will earn money on the $99 upgrade package, but I don´t think they´ll earn anything before.

[Squire]

Originally posted by Poff
I don? think Apple are trying to earn money on this package. They are most definitely allready at a loss from the modelling of the instruments (if the models are any good - time will show.)

They will earn money on the $99 upgrade package, but I don? think they?l earn anything before.

Yeah, that was supposed to be my point. ;)

They'd be more apt to throw in some extra CDs if it were a big money-making application. I don't think this is. I think they're trying to get a lot of switchers with this thing.

What I don't understand is why they didn't just sell GarageBand as an extra application and keep giving the free updates to iPhoto and iMovie. That would keep everyone happy. I think, from a business perspective, they wanted a good reason to start charging for iLife. As corny as it sounds, I think, for some reason, Apple wants people to make music. In addition, GarageBand is going to prompt a lot of people to switch. Maybe that's it: get all Mac users making music and showing PC users how cool and easy it is, therefore spurring a switching movement.

I'm rambling.

Squire

[Nelson1]

Originally posted by applekid
Apple should've had a multi-CD install and a DVD install in one package.

Now I just need some money from my family to get a pre-order for iLife and I'll be in good hands :D

I just ordered iLife '04 through Apple's up-to-date program in Japan. On page 2 of the iLife Up-To-Date Program application form, it says that one or more CDs will also be included in the package.

Quote:

?????????
iLife??????CD?iLife??????DVD?

(translated):

Package Contents
iLife install CD, iLife install DVD, etc.

Since Japanese doesn't have plural forms, it's not clear whether the CD-based installation media is a single CD that somehow supplements the DVD or is multiple CDs that contain the entire iLife installation files. I guess we'll find out on the 16th.

The US version of the iLife UTD application, by the way, doesn't list the contents of the package.

[DavidLeblond]

Originally posted by applekid
Hmmm, a blank DVD is about 5 bucks. Since it'll be massed-produced I'd say closer to 2 bucks. It wouldn't be highly expensive.

A blank DVD is a lot cheaper than $5 :) Remember they don't burn DVDs they stamp 'em. They don't use DVD-Rs, they use DVDs.

[iSmell]

Originally posted by Photorun
The eMac was still sold as a CD ROM up until this fall, I think that's the winner for how recent it was Apple sold non DVD reading computers.

Unless you count the XServe, which still comes with CD-ROMs standard. Also, I believe the eMac can still be purchased with just a CD-ROM drive by educational customers.

I do think there are a whole lot of fairly recent (by non-macgeek standards) macs out there that can't read DVDs, but they are probably the same ones that are too slow for garage band to work well. Too bad those people can't download the new version of iPhoto that they could use...

[vniow]

Originally posted by irmongoose
Think of it this way: if you don't have a Mac with a DVD drive, it's probably too old to run GarageBand well anyways.


An 800Mhz G4 iBook is too old?

Originally posted by Nermal
Do Apple even sell systems anymore that can't read DVDs?

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[PaisanoMan]

I could just be making this up, but I seem to remember two iLife discs: one for iPhoto + iTunes + iMovie, and the other with all four apps (namely, iDVD).

I'd almost bet that Apple will include one DVD with all five iLife '04 apps, and one CD with just iPhoto + iTunes + iMovie (since their system requirements explicitly state that a DVD-ROM drive is required to install GarageBand and iDVD).

[Macmaniac]

Argh my iMac CRT 700mhz is left out, dang now I have to go out and find a DVD drive to borrow. Apple should have done a multi CD install, there are still a lot of macs who don't have DVD drives, don't leave at your 1 and 2 year old customers!

[C4!™]

You're absolutely right. There were two discs in the box. One that had everything but iDVD on a CD and then the bundle with iDVD on a DVD.


Originally posted by PaisanoMan
I could just be making this up, but I seem to remember two iLife discs: one for iPhoto + iTunes + iMovie, and the other with all four apps (namely, iDVD).

I'd almost bet that Apple will include one DVD with all five iLife '04 apps, and one CD with just iPhoto + iTunes + iMovie (since their system requirements explicitly state that a DVD-ROM drive is required to install GarageBand and iDVD).

[IndyGopher]

Every macintosh, back to the Beige G3's, can be upgraded to read DVD data disks. While it might be economically silly on some of the older machines, it can be done. For machines with FireWire, it's probably more sensible to get an external, but all of them, portables included, can be upgraded to DVD.

[Spock]

Originally posted by IndyGopher
Every macintosh, back to the Beige G3's, can be upgraded to read DVD data disks. While it might be economically silly on some of the older machines, it can be done. For machines with FireWire, it's probably more sensible to get an external, but all of them, portables included, can be upgraded to DVD.

Well that statement is almost true, I have a Performa 6400 with a DVD drive. It cannot Play DVD's but I can look at the contents. And yes the drive is SCSI. I also have a DVD-RAM drive in my broken B&W. BUT for You that have a freind with a DVD drive Mac You can install Garage Band: Network the DVD Computer to the non dvd rom computer and share the DVD Rom, know go to the non DVD Rom and open disk copy and drag the contents of Garageband into Disk Copy and create a Garageband Disk image and install from that. I don't know if this will work or not but is worth a try Good Luck

[Mark Allen]

This appears to be a freeform iLife install kind of thread, so here is my issue: I am unable to install iLife on my new external LaCie hard drive after installing 10.2.8 on it and using it as my startup volume. "Install" begins to start with a generic application icon, then vanishes without explanation after a few seconds. Any thoughts?

[Mark Allen]

... that external LaCie (120 gig) is firewired to a PowerBook G4.

[tdhurst]

The circle denoting the iBook with a Cd-rom...come on....he obviously meant computers that cannot be EQUIPPED with a DVD drive...
Or computers that would be too expensive to upgrade anyway..

[Mark Allen]

There may be no greater joy than the ability to answer your own Mac forum question.

I did a search for "install" and found no Installer applications on my external hard drive (which I am using as my startup), but two Installer applications in the Utilities folder on my internal hard drive. I trashed the 9-03 version with the generic icon, and after that, iLife installed beautifully (so far) with the 12-02 version.

I'm still not sure why Installer never installed onto my external hard drive in the first place.

[Horrortaxi]

My 11 month old iBook has a CDROM but meets all the other requirements for GarageBand. Workaround: Make an image of the iLife DVD on another Mac and firewire it over to the iBook. It installs great from the hard drive.

[Spock]

Originally posted by Horrortaxi
My 11 month old iBook has a CDROM but meets all the other requirements for GarageBand. Workaround: Make an image of the iLife DVD on another Mac and firewire it over to the iBook. It installs great from the hard drive.

I said that.