Screenshots for Upcoming Nike+ App for iPhone

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iPhon.fr posts (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=fr%7Cen&u=http://www.iphon.fr/post/2008/08/18/Nike-plus-iPhone-:-captures-d-ecrans) (via Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5038865/leaked-first-shots-of-iphone-nike%252B-interface)) screenshots for the upcoming Nike+ running application for iPhone. Nike+ (http://nikeplus.nike.com/nikeplus/) is a running accessory for the iPod Nano that allows you to track your running.With a sensor in your shoe and a receiver on your iPod nano, your run takes on a whole new dimension. See the minutes tick by. Watch the miles unfold. Hear real-time feedback. All to your favorite music — including the one song that always gets you through the home stretch.A new version of the iPhone and iPod touch had been reported (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/04/11/nike-coming-to-iphone-ipod-touch/) but no announcements have been made since. The iPhone's always-on internet connection is expected to allow you to update your training log on the fly. The screenshots also reveal that mapping is included.

A few other running apps such as RunKeeper (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/08/11/runkeeper-for-iphone-a-gps-based-training-assistant/) have been featured on our iPhone Blog (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/) (rss (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/iphone.xml)) which is tracking some of the latest iPhone app developments.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/19/screenshots-for-upcoming-nike-app-for-iphone/)

[RevK]

That looks like a really cool app.

[lozanoj83]

maybe this will make go out a Nike+ kit and actually make me get my fat ass up and kind of run around...

[.Chris]

nice. being able to touch the diferent setings

[dalvin200]

seems quite cool.. but adding a HRM (heart rate monitor) would also be beneficial ;)

i may actually take running more seriously

[MBHockey]

Interesting...so it won't ditch the shoe sensor for GPS? I guess the GPS isn't accurate enough.

[adom]

very cool!!!

[b1wils1]

i can honestly say that the nike+ program completely turned running on for me. before it, there was little motivation to challenge myself as i never saw results, but after having used it since January of 07, I've seen a shift in lifestyle priorities, and it helped me in finishing my first ironman last weekend. i recommend it to anyone, and the iphone app will further my interest in the program.

[plumbingandtech]

I hope Nike comes out with a kick as arm band too.

I have tried a couple and just don't trust those others.

I REALLY liked the armband for the nano that they made.

[Aeolius]

I refuse to purchase products from a company that once published this ad in a hiking magazine:


"Fortunately, the Air Dri-Goat features a patented, goat-like out sole for increased traction, so you can taunt mortal injury without actually experiencing it. Right about now you're probably asking yourself, "How can a trail running shoe with an outer sole designed like a goat's hoof help me avoid compressing my spinal cord into a Slinky on the side of some unsuspecting conifer, thereby rendering me a a drooling, misshapen, non-extreme-trail-running husk of my former self, forced to roam the Earth in a motorized wheelchair with my name, embossed on one of those cute little license plates you get at carnivals or state fairs, fastened to the back?"
To that we answer, hey, have you ever seen a mountain goat (even an extreme mountain goat) careen out of control into the side of a tree?
Didn't think so."


Nike lost my business in 2000.

[ravikc]

finally! ive been waiting for this

[damnyooneek]

I refuse to purchase products from a company that once published this ad in a hiking magazine:


"Fortunately, the Air Dri-Goat features a patented, goat-like out sole for increased traction, so you can taunt mortal injury without actually experiencing it. Right about now you're probably asking yourself, "How can a trail running shoe with an outer sole designed like a goat's hoof help me avoid compressing my spinal cord into a Slinky on the side of some unsuspecting conifer, thereby rendering me a a drooling, misshapen, non-extreme-trail-running husk of my former self, forced to roam the Earth in a motorized wheelchair with my name, embossed on one of those cute little license plates you get at carnivals or state fairs, fastened to the back?"
To that we answer, hey, have you ever seen a mountain goat (even an extreme mountain goat) careen out of control into the side of a tree?
Didn't think so."


Nike lost my business in 2000.

opinions... opinions... sadly no one cares but your grumbling self.

[UnseenLlama]

Interesting...so it won't ditch the shoe sensor for GPS? I guess the GPS isn't accurate enough.

The quote in the post is talking about the iPod nano. I'm sure the Nike+ will use GPS much like the Garmin Forerunner series.

This is gonna be an awesome app!

[MBHockey]

The quote in the post is talking about the iPod nano. I'm sure the Nike+ will use GPS much like the Garmin Forerunner series.

This is gonna be an awesome app!

I hope so. The current system can't detect when you go up or down hills...it just thinks you are slowing down/speeding up for no apparent reason.

[Surely]

Looks very cool. I've been waiting for this announcement for a while.

If it only works with the 3G because it needs the GPS, this may be the App that forces me to upgrade.

[juice831]

I was already happy with the armband now i'm STOKED on the app! just waiting for the Sling Player (=

[freddiecable]

i totally agree! :)

i can honestly say that the nike+ program completely turned running on for me. before it, there was little motivation to challenge myself as i never saw results, but after having used it since January of 07, I've seen a shift in lifestyle priorities, and it helped me in finishing my first ironman last weekend. i recommend it to anyone, and the iphone app will further my interest in the program.

[tgildred]

I actually recently lost my iPod Nano (stolen) and the week I went without it was hell. I had no motivation to run (though I did) without knowing roughly how far or fast I was going--and running without music was not much fun either. I've become completely dependent.

The sad thing was I had to go out and buy a new one knowing there would likely be an iPod touch-based Nike+ coming soon. I had told myself that I would buy a touch when it: a) reached 32 gb, and b) included Nike+ support.

Sigh. Anyone want to buy a slightly used iPod nano in a few months? :)

Edit: Assuming this will work with the iPod touch. If iPhone only, then I'm OK. :p

[mdwsta4]

as much as i prefer running with my shuffle, this would be pretty sweet. i've contemplated buying a nano just so i could use nike+
the difference with me is i enjoy running and have been doing it for years. this will hardly be motivational, just a nice tool to calculate routes and whatnot.

[Aeolius]

opinions... opinions... sadly no one cares but your grumbling self.

I was not alone, in expressing my displeasure to Nike:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nikegoat.asp

I have 6 kids, none of whom have had any merchandise with a Nike swoosh logo on it, since that ad came out. When they turn 18, they can do as they wish.

[tekmoe]

so it would appear the nike+ kit will work with the iphone in the near future? i would like to use my iphone when i run instead of my nano as i could sell the nano and make back some of my money.

[Zoboomafoo]

The quote in the post is talking about the iPod nano. I'm sure the Nike+ will use GPS much like the Garmin Forerunner series.

This is gonna be an awesome app!

in my experience, i'm not sure the gps is accurate enough for this.

Thus far, if I've ever been lucky enough to have GPS trigger in the Maps app, it has always consistently trailed my actual location. This is going to be a major, major problem for gps driving instructions, but maybe not so major for running. At least with running I'm only doing like 6-7 mph.

[tekmoe]

I was not alone, in expressing my displeasure to Nike:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nikegoat.asp

I have 6 kids, none of whom have had any merchandise with a Nike swoosh logo on it, since that ad came out. When they turn 18, they can do as they wish.

If I had six kids, I'd be complaining about senseless crap too.

[tgildred]

I was not alone, in expressing my displeasure to Nike:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nikegoat.asp

I have 6 kids, none of whom have had any merchandise with a Nike swoosh logo on it, since that ad came out. When they turn 18, they can do as they wish.

Companies make dumb decisions in regard to advertising sometimes. I know it's no excuse, but sometimes the executives don't even know what ads are being created. I can think of a couple instances at fairly large corporations where this happened and can only imagine the disconnect there must be at Nike with such a diverse product range. At least they apologized and pulled the ad.

Even Apple has run afoul of the politically correct crowd. Remember the "thin is in" slogan? No company is immune from making ignorant or potentially offensive statements when they're trying to be "glib."

[Aeolius]

If I had six kids, I'd be complaining about senseless crap too.

So you feel that my being upset with those who belittle the disabled is senseless? How else are we to educate the ignorant?

[Xian Zhu Xuande]

I was not alone, in expressing my displeasure to Nike:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nikegoat.asp

I have 6 kids, none of whom have had any merchandise with a Nike swoosh logo on it, since that ad came out. When they turn 18, they can do as they wish.
Why don't you just hide under a rock? If you take such offense to something like that you should avoid reading articles about companies. I hope you don't take your kids to Wal*mart -- there's actually a legitimate reason to avoid shopping with them. Oh, and don't use Google. They screwed the Chinese people. Yahoo! too. Maybe Ask Jeeves?

Edit: Search the internet for stories about advertising mistakes. All sorts of companies make terrible blunders like this. Sometimes one head of the hydra doesn't know what the others are doing. I guarantee you that Nike executives didn't sit down in a dimly lit meeting to snicker about an opportunity to mock the disabled. That looks like a joke which was simply misinterpreted by the hyper sensitive.

[Aeolius]

Search the internet for stories about advertising mistakes. All sorts of companies make terrible blunders like this... That looks like a joke which was simply misinterpreted by the hyper sensitive.[/i]

Agreed. Though I find it difficult to believe that someone at Nike does not approve of every ad representing their products, mistakes happen every day. Me, I'm one of those hyper-sensitive people who calls the cops on folks who park illegally in handicap-designated zones. I have three children with disabilities, one of whom uses a power wheelchair.

[GorillaPaws]

So you feel that belittling the disabled is senseless? I'll bet you poke fun at black people and the elderly as well, eh?

I thought the ad was pretty funny actually. I can't believe you don't have better things to do in life than failed attempts to sabotage the corporate image of Nike. There's lots of reasons to hate Nike, like the whole child-labor sweatshop stuff, or making shoes that are too narrow for sasquatches like myself. An ad with an over-the-top dark humor approach that you insist on taking literally seems like a pretty lame reason (pun is unintended). Anyways, how about trying to not de-rail this thread and start one up in the political forum or something.

[elppa]

The UI looks a little rushed and unpolished. Maybe it is just these screeshots.

Hopefully some Apple engineers will be able to give them a hand with look and feel.

[Aeolius]

Anyways, how about trying to not de-rail this thread and start one up in the political forum or something.

Fair enough... from another EEE sasquatch ;)

[twoodcc]

i really am looking forward to this app. they need to release this for the iphone and ipod touch.

[bigjnyc]

I guess we will have to buy a new Nike+ kit I dont think the current one fits into the bottom of the iphone because of the contour, or i could be wrong who knows.

[macworkerbee]

This looks like a solid app. Can't wait to see what other juicy details there are. I started running with Nike+ when it came out and have logged a ton of miles (didn't run before that). The goals you can set and the competitions make it kind of addictive. I'm in the process of getting in the best shape of my life. I hope this product helps other people do the same.

[Redline13]

Agreed. Though I find it difficult to believe that someone at Nike does not approve of every ad representing their products, mistakes happen every day. Me, I'm one of those hyper-sensitive people who calls the cops on folks who park illegally in handicap-designated zones. I have three children with disabilities, one of whom uses a power wheelchair.

That's a though row to hoe for sure. I don't think Nike set out to intentionally offend people with disabilities though. I am sure who ever was responsible for that ad is no longer employed by them. Whats more I doubt that the individual has been touched by the difficulties of the disabled in the unique way you have. That said if I were you I might feel the same way.

[mikeinternet]

is nike trying to make money off the sensor or the special sneakers?

i ask cause i want this to work with a bike cyclometer.

[mileHighness]

This is great news- if the GPS is accurate enough. I ditched the Nike+ system for a Garmin Forerunner because it seemed to be only about 90% accurate, which is not good if you're seriously training. However, I miss some of the nice features and the community aspects of the Nike+ site. Here's hoping it works well...

[eme jota ce]

This is great news.

The original Nike+ iPod kit really inspired me to run, with some help from the MacRumors runners as well.

I've been waiting for this app, and, admittedly, my running has dropped in part due to loss of that extra motivation from iPhone's lack of Nike+

Where can I sign up for beta testing?

When can we get it?

[dnoonan]

I'm a huge fan of the Nike+ setup. I run about 80 miles a month, and Nike+ helps me get out there on those days where my natural motivation flags.

I run on trails, so combining the GPS function of an iPhone with all the Nike+ stuff would be terrific. I'd get lost less, and my wife would be happier for both safety and "pick up some milk on your way home" reasons if I had a phone with me when I'm running. Apple will sell me an iPhone the very instant this becomes real. It's "name your price" good.

That said, I'm a little dubious about this "screenshot." How come the mileage (or kilometer-age, I suppose) at the top of the screen ("16/08 at 7:07 pm - 9.94 km") doesn't match the end mileage on the graph (6.94 km) and in the "details" footer (also 6.94 km)? That strikes me as bogus.

--Dave.

[pkr]

Hmmm. Current Nike+ users like me have no doubt noticed that Nike is advising of web-site maintenance later today/tonight. Makes me wonder if that "maintenance" might be something more, in preparation for these new products.

[higgbeme]

Looks like a fake to me. On the "goals" screenshot the second label reads "Set A New Goals." I think the folks at Nike would use slightly better english than that!

[morespce54]

...Sometimes one head of the hydra doesn't know what the others are doing. I guarantee you that Nike executives didn't sit down in a dimly lit meeting to snicker about an opportunity to mock the disabled.

OT
Impossible. No company as big as Nike would run any (National or International) ads without prior approval from some big marketing heads. It's waaaaay to much money to let the kids play with it.

Topic
Anyone with Nike+ and Nano thinks an iPhone (or even iPod Touch) would be too big to run with?

[UnseenLlama]

Topic
Anyone with Nike+ and Nano thinks an iPhone (or even iPod Touch) would be too big to run with?

That's what I'm thinking. It's too big to run with, but I've seen people at the gym/running with a full size iPod.

Nike will need to release an armband ASAP when they finally release this app. I've read the reviews for the Belkin iPhone armband (both new and old)...and the quality seems like crap. The glue attaching the front always comes undone.

[tgildred]

OT
Impossible. No company as big as Nike would run any (National or International) ads without prior approval from some big marketing heads. It's waaaaay to much money to let the kids play with it.

I could see it happening. Honestly. Sometimes being big can be a hindrance. Especially when you have such a huge range of product lines. Looking at their various web sites and the completely discordant branding and visual identity going on makes me really believe there's not a lot of note comparing.

Topic
Anyone with Nike+ and Nano thinks an iPhone (or even iPod Touch) would be too big to run with?

I ran with a Touch the other day (had to borrow my wife's) on a clip. It was a little unwieldy. But I think a better, slimmer, more sports-oriented case would have helped. If you can use an armband, my instinct would be that it would work fine. I can't because of stinky sweat issues, haha.

[scottybe]

Why should the iPhone application require the Nike+ hardware?

From Apple's site: "The Sport Kit allows your Nike+ shoe to talk to your iPod nano. The sensor uses a sensitive accelerometer to measure your activity, then wirelessly transfers this data to the receiver on your iPod nano."

It seems to me that since the iPhone already has anaccelerometer, this app should work with any shoes without special hardware. In fact, apps like RunKeeper are already available on the App Store. What value will Nike provide?

As for running with one, I'm currently running with a 3rd Generation iPod, complete with mini hard drive. It does look a little conspicuous, but it has never skipped on me.

[Val-kyrie]

I actually recently lost my iPod Nano (stolen) and the week I went without it was hell. I had no motivation to run (though I did) without knowing roughly how far or fast I was going--and running without music was not much fun either. I've become completely dependent.

The sad thing was I had to go out and buy a new one knowing there would likely be an iPod touch-based Nike+ coming soon. I had told myself that I would buy a touch when it: a) reached 32 gb, and b) included Nike+ support.

Sigh. Anyone want to buy a slightly used iPod nano in a few months? :)

Edit: Assuming this will work with the iPod touch. If iPhone only, then I'm OK. :p

I might be interested for the right price. PM me when you want to sell.

[freediverdude]

Well, there's 2 problems with getting rid of the sensor chip in the shoes and using the GPS.

First, this won't work on treadmills. So people would still need an accelerometer for those situations.

Second, Nike I'm sure has put a lot of money into those special Nike+ shoes, and they wouldn't be able to sell those anymore. They would essentially be left out of the partnership without the shoes, except for maybe the website.

So, I think we'll still see the chip for the shoes. Maybe Apple will just be adding in GPS functionality somehow as an extra.

[ArtOfWarfare]

Interesting...so it won't ditch the shoe sensor for GPS? I guess the GPS isn't accurate enough.

Well, actually it's Nike's claim to fame (they are a shoe company after all.)

If they didn't force you to go out and buy their shoes, then everyone would use that other app... RunKeeper.

[amac4me]

Looking forward to this as I've recently purchased a new pair of running shoes .... the Nike Zoom Vomero 3.

[elbirth]

As for boycotting Nike because of the ad quoted on the first page of this thread... well that's just utterly ridiculous. Learn to not take everything so seriously and you'll be a lot better off in life. You know they didn't mean any direct harm towards disabled people and this is proven by the fact that they recalled the ad and apologized for it. At that point, your boycott became null and void and continuing to boycott them is pointless and ignorant.



Back on topic, I think this looks really cool. I've been intrigued by the Nike+ system, but have never wanted to get an iPod nano just to use it. I don't mind the whole buying a new pair of shoes and/or getting the Nike receiver, because I could use a decent pair of running shoes anyway, and well.. you have to get the receiver to use the program. Maybe once this comes out it'll give me an added push to go on and get it, though I'm more of a walking person than running.
They really need to find a way to integrate weight training into all of this so you can keep track of your progress there as well. Then it'd be even better



Why should the iPhone application require the Nike+ hardware?

From Apple's site: "The Sport Kit allows your Nike+ shoe to talk to your iPod nano. The sensor uses a sensitive accelerometer to measure your activity, then wirelessly transfers this data to the receiver on your iPod nano."

It seems to me that since the iPhone already has anaccelerometer, this app should work with any shoes without special hardware. In fact, apps like RunKeeper are already available on the App Store. What value will Nike provide?

As for running with one, I'm currently running with a 3rd Generation iPod, complete with mini hard drive. It does look a little conspicuous, but it has never skipped on me.

I think the issue here is that the Nike sensor is more or less pressure-activated (I could be totally wrong, I haven't looked it up, but this is how I interpret it) so it counts a step with every actual step you take. With the iPod/iPhone apps, they're using the shaking of the accelerometer, which may not be entirely accurate if you're a bouncy walker or some such. It's not using a stead-fast action to count steps so it could be a bit off

[cazlar]

I hope it is true. I was using my nano (2G) in the gym, but prefer my iPhone now as I can watch videos while on the exercise bike. This would allow me to start using my Nike+ again without taking both devices.

BTW, it isn't pressure-activated, it has a little accelerometer inside it to detect each pace.

[andrewgospastic]

Isn't the iPhone kind of large to be running with?

[elbirth]

I hope it is true. I was using my nano (2G) in the gym, but prefer my iPhone now as I can watch videos while on the exercise bike. This would allow me to start using my Nike+ again without taking both devices.

BTW, it isn't pressure-activated, it has a little accelerometer inside it to detect each pace.

ah, ok thanks for the clarification. In that case, then yeah, I don't see why there's a real need for actual hardware for an iPhone version... and maybe there won't be and instead you pay a few bucks for the app?

the only other reason I could really see (aside from making money) for having it still in your shoe, is if you attach the phone to your arm, when your foot hits the ground, your body receives a jolt as your body hits the ground. Unless you're really toned (and even then, this may not matter) your skin will, for lack of a better term, jiggle a bit on your arm, and thus shake the iPhone a bit with each impact. Maybe this could be interpreted as multiple steps? Again, just throwing out an idea

[Xian Zhu Xuande]

Agreed. Though I find it difficult to believe that someone at Nike does not approve of every ad representing their products, mistakes happen every day. Me, I'm one of those hyper-sensitive people who calls the cops on folks who park illegally in handicap-designated zones. I have three children with disabilities, one of whom uses a power wheelchair.
Oh, I understand that you've got a child with a disability. I know many parents, including some in your same position. That is why I also recognize your position. But you're doing a disservice to society and to your children by reacting in such a way to something like this. If your kids would benefit from anything it would be strength and the ability to overlook flaws in favor of the whole. A familiarity with disability, though, doesn't make this issue any more relevant to the world. It saddens me that society has lost so much of its ability to make fun of itself, wallowing in fear of self-serving lawsuits.

Disclaimer: I don't even like Nike.

OT
Impossible. No company as big as Nike would run any (National or International) ads without prior approval from some big marketing heads. It's waaaaay to much money to let the kids play with it.
This is an extremely common problem. There are websites devoted to advertising campaign screw-ups like this. Coca-Cola, for example, slips up like this rather frequently, especially in international advertising. Executives do not personally approve every advertising campaign in environments like this (with exceptions such as, I imagine, Apple Inc.) and all it takes is a few people who aren't familiar with an unusual element of society. Apple is, after all, the computer that introduced a certain gal who became a legend among the pot smoking community. It wasn't what they intended.

Being big means less attention to specific advertising methods, not more...

Isn't the iPhone kind of large to be running with?
It is if its weight is enough to pull your pants down. Hehe...

But that problem can be solved by wearing different pants.

I exercise with my iPhone.

[Trajectory]

I've seen a shift in lifestyle priorities, and it helped me in finishing my first ironman last weekend.

That's amazing, congrats!!

I can't believe you don't have better things to do in life than failed attempts to sabotage the corporate image of Nike.

Why are you so concerned with the corporate image of Nike that you feel you need to make a statement like that? Do you work for Nike??

Oh, I understand that you've got a child with a disability... But you're doing a disservice to society and to your children by reacting in such a way to something like this.

Geez, talk about over-reacting. And who are you to lecture the parent of a disabled child about being overly sensitive to an ad that makes fun of disabled people?? Get a grip, man. Go have a run and be glad you can run.

[irun5k]

They could still offer the shoe chip for treadmill folks, but it would be nice to have the option of going without it, if the GPS was good enough to calculate speed.

The footprint would be a little large, but I'm wondering if anyone will come up with a solution for cyclists? The iphone would make a great display for a cyclist, if someone would come up with the sending unit for detecting what gear you are in, RPMs, etc. Again, only potential issue is size.... have never looked to see what my iPhone would look like mounted to my handlebars.

[vanhanz]

I'm hoping that the new refresh of the iPod Nano will be smaller, full touch screen that will be able to carry this app. Or maybe Apple will come out with an iPod Sport that will be a little larger than the nano, have full touch screen, be water resistant, and either have an accelerometer built in or GPS built in. I really hope that there will be a heart rate monitor someday as well.

I've seen the current armbands for the iPhone and iPod touch, and it looks like they would be cumbersome to run with. I can't imagine running around with an iPhone strapped to my arm screaming out, "Someone please mug this person, they have an iPhone"

[psxguru]

I like the Nike+ system, I use the Nike+ Sportband as I like to run light and don't like running with headphones. I use the sensor on my Asics with the Marware Sportsuit pouch as I prefer Asics to Nike shoes.

I can't see myself wanting to run with a bulky iphone.

I just want them to update the Nike+ Sportband utility to a universal binary!

[thefourthpope]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_0_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5C1 Safari/525.20)

Why should the iPhone application require the Nike+ hardware?

From Apple's site: "The Sport Kit allows your Nike+ shoe to talk to your iPod nano. The sensor uses a sensitive accelerometer to measure your activity, then wirelessly transfers this data to the receiver on your iPod nano."

It seems to me that since the iPhone already has anaccelerometer, this app should work with any shoes without special hardware. In fact, apps like RunKeeper are already available on the App Store. What value will Nike provide?

As for running with one, I'm currently running with a 3rd Generation iPod, complete with mini hard drive. It does look a little conspicuous, but it has never skipped on me.

What I'd wish for is a sensor that uses Bluetooth to talk to the Nike software installs on my iPhone. That way, no receiver attached to the phone, but you still get the accuracy of the shoe-based sensor

[Kingsnapped]

Why should the iPhone application require the Nike+ hardware?

...

It seems to me that since the iPhone already has anaccelerometer, this app should work with any shoes without special hardware. In fact, apps like RunKeeper are already available on the App Store. What value will Nike provide?

Unless you plan on wearing your iPhone under your shoe, it's not going to be accurate. The accelerometer in nike+ works by calculating how much time your foot spends going up, on the ground, and pushing away. An accelerometer is not like a speedometer in a car, wearing the sensor anywhere on your body but on the bottom of the shoes would not work.

RunKeeper looks alright, but Nike+ provides the value of a huge userbase with a lot of miles already on their system. I currently run with Nike+ and an iPod nano, and I know a lot of people who would be overjoyed to have Nike+ integration on their iPhones.

[Porchland]

Wow, check out that chart! Somebody's power song is getting it DONE!

[Porchland]

Unless you plan on wearing your iPhone under your shoe, it's not going to be accurate. The accelerometer in nike+ works by calculating how much time your foot spends going up, on the ground, and pushing away. An accelerometer is not like a speedometer in a car, wearing the sensor anywhere on your body but on the bottom of the shoes would not work.

RunKeeper looks alright, but Nike+ provides the value of a huge userbase with a lot of miles already on their system. I currently run with Nike+ and an iPod nano, and I know a lot of people who would be overjoyed to have Nike+ integration on their iPhones.

I love my Nike+, but I don't think I would use it with an iPhone or a touch. The nano is perfect for running -- small, lightweight, and a display just big enough for what you need. Nobody wants a sweaty iPhone.

[Michael CM1]

in my experience, i'm not sure the gps is accurate enough for this.

Thus far, if I've ever been lucky enough to have GPS trigger in the Maps app, it has always consistently trailed my actual location. This is going to be a major, major problem for gps driving instructions, but maybe not so major for running. At least with running I'm only doing like 6-7 mph.

The GPS unit in my car is accurate to within a few feet, by "few" I mean probably off by 50 or so feet max. That's not bad for a car, especially when the dot can stay on the road in pre-loaded maps through a little software. But this is pathetic for tracking running. It also doesn't help out the 6 million original iPhone owners (hi!), so I hope they will still use some sort of sensor. I bought these darn shoes hoping that would be the case.

[iP2]

That's what I'm thinking. It's too big to run with, but I've seen people at the gym/running with a full size iPod.

Nike will need to release an armband ASAP when they finally release this app. I've read the reviews for the Belkin iPhone armband (both new and old)...and the quality seems like crap. The glue attaching the front always comes undone.

During my marathon training, I tried Nike+ and compared it to a run specific Garmin Forerunner. No match. The Garmin is way better (and fits on your wrist) in terms of accuracy and features. Cost is equal to a Nike+ and a Nano.

I also run with a Nano on shorter runs. No way I would run with my 3G iPhone. It's too big, heavy and would be vulnerable to sweat and sun damage (even in an arm band). I even tried a running belt that holds phones/mp3 players...too bulky even on a short 10k run. For the gym, yes, Nike+ would be fine.

Not only that, if you run for 2+ hours, it would kill your iPhone battery as it would have to be on + GPS for that whole time. I also just don't want to subject such an expensive phone to the rigors of running outdoors.

[Xian Zhu Xuande]

Geez, talk about over-reacting. And who are you to lecture the parent of a disabled child about being overly sensitive to an ad that makes fun of disabled people?? Get a grip, man. Go have a run and be glad you can run.
Point is the ad doesn't make fun of disabled people. ;)

I respect his view and understand why he has it. But when a person posts a statement like that in a public discussion forum, they are opening it up to discussion. That's how forums work. My issue is with the problems brought about by views like this -- not disability specifically, but rather a fear of offending people -- and what it has done to our society.

But this isn't an important matter, though.
I won't detract further from this rather excellent topic.

[bstahlhood]

Trust me, when I say these are fake. If there is anyone who knows that these are fake, it is me :) The real Nike+ app for iPhone / iPod touch looks way better then this does. These are garbage compared to the real deal.

[twoodcc]

Trust me, when I say these are fake. If there is anyone who knows that these are fake, it is me :) The real Nike+ app for iPhone / iPod touch looks way better then this does. These are garbage compared to the real deal.

now why would we trust you?

[bstahlhood]

now why would we trust you?

Do some googling on the name "Ben Stahlhood". If you are a good detective, you will understand why to trust me. That is all I can say :)

[gmeddles]

Couple quick thoughts --

1. I hope they ditch the required dock connector and use bluetooth to talk with the shoe-accel. chip.

2. I know there have long been rumors of integration with gym cardio equipment, and I also hope that said integration uses bluetooth.

3. I hope they support HRM integration via bluetooth into the software as well (ideally including Polar and some of the other brands).

4. How about a cyclometer that ties in as well?

5. I'd love to be able to track my lifting the same way (especially to be able to see the data and graphs online at the same website).

5. Since this has turned into a wishlist for Santa, being able to track food consumption via the software would be a nice touch.

P.S. I used to track diet and exercise on a PocketPC several years ago and it was a fantastic system that kept me tied to the stack for a long time. I remember there were two products called PocketDietTracker and MySportTraining that were integrated fairly well. I'd love to replicate that on my iPhone with Nike+ but updated with HRM and GPS support without having to buy some of the dreadful devices out there now.

[Brutalpootle]

I just started running three weeks ago and I've been 'borrowing' my wife's iPod Nano to use Nike+ so I'd be really pleased if they make it compatible with the iPhone :)

Now I just need to find some headphones that don't pop out of my ears after every dozen paces!

[Andrew07]

Will this work for cycling as well?

[clarkysdonga]

What I would like to see is popular or recommended hiking/running tracks in various cities that you can bring up in the software and then follow. Say you go somewhere for a weekend, you can see recommended tracks on the map and goal times to challenge. Even a 'high score' system would be cool, to see what times elite athletes have done.

[thecartoonguy]

i can honestly say that the nike+ program completely turned running on for me. before it, there was little motivation to challenge myself as i never saw results, but after having used it since January of 07, I've seen a shift in lifestyle priorities, and it helped me in finishing my first ironman last weekend. i recommend it to anyone, and the iphone app will further my interest in the program.


Congrats. That is pretty awesome. I never really thought of how much of a motivation tool this could be.

[FaustArp]

didn't they make it for the nano because it was convenient? I don't really think I want to lug my phone around with me on a run.

[ogdogg]

Isn't the iPhone kind of large to be running with?

Maybe, if you're a Smurf.

[3Goodness7]

i'm iffy about this....when it's your phone and your ipod and many other things all in one......you don't feel like running with it...at least i don't

[plumbingandtech]

i'm iffy about this....when it's your phone and your ipod and many other things all in one......you don't feel like running with it...at least i don't

That's why my comment about a nike armband to go along with it. So far, both armbands I have looked at, I would not trust enough to run with.

[Applespider]

Hmmm. Current Nike+ users like me have no doubt noticed that Nike is advising of web-site maintenance later today/tonight.

Aren't they just going to try to fix the mess that is the current challenge/records set up where lots of people/challenges have lost miles/times?

Second, Nike I'm sure has put a lot of money into those special Nike+ shoes, and they wouldn't be able to sell those anymore.

Aren't pretty much all Nike running shoes + enabled now? I recall someone in my local running store bemoaning the fact that the midsole felt different. Just as well to say Nike are trying to cut Apple out of the equation by introducing the sportsband for those without Nanos.

As for the advert text, well done for sticking to your principles but I'm in with those who don't see it as being quite so offensive as you do; I'll agree with you wholeheartedly on abuse of handicap parking permits though.

I don't think the wording suggests that everyone in a wheelchair is a drooling misshapen husk (the most offensive words in there IMO) just that it's possibly the worst-case scenario that an active trail runner could likely imagine for themselves as the result of a trail injury because it's so far removed from their current life. And if they had a choice, they'd probably only take the wheelchair one if the other option was death. Human nature being what it is though, at least some of them would discover that it's possible still to continue their lives and be happy.

[rickvanr]

Sweat has killed three of my iPod nano's. If you think I'm going to sweat on an iPhone that cost 3x you're insane.

This app is just as likely to be an app that let's you log onto the Nike+ site on your iPhone/ iPod touch.

[lazydesi]

still too pricey

[severe]

Looking forward to this.

Do we have a price yet?

[Peel]

Looks like a fake to me. On the "goals" screenshot the second label reads "Set A New Goals." I think the folks at Nike would use slightly better english than that!

I saw that too, but then realized that it could be "Set 'A' New Goals", where "A" is simply the name someone gave to a workout set. It could have as easily been "Set Marathon New Goals" or "Set Jim's New Goals", if "Marathon" or "Jim's" was the name given to the workout.

[Abstract]

Isn't the iPhone kind of large to be running with?

Yes. ;) So is the iPod Touch.

[ballyhoo]

Whoever designed that graphic for Apple is an idiot. The first thing I thought when I saw that was Apple's stock price falling.

Morons.


:confused:

[twoodcc]

Do some googling on the name "Ben Stahlhood". If you are a good detective, you will understand why to trust me. That is all I can say :)

well, not to take anything away from you, i can tell that you don't work for apple or nike, and you haven't given us anything to believe (besides what you typed here). i'm not saying i don't believe you, but i'm not saying i do either.

please tell us more

[iPastor]

I refuse to purchase products from a company that once published this ad in a hiking magazine:


"Fortunately, the Air Dri-Goat features a patented, goat-like out sole for increased traction, so you can taunt mortal injury without actually experiencing it. Right about now you're probably asking yourself, "How can a trail running shoe with an outer sole designed like a goat's hoof help me avoid compressing my spinal cord into a Slinky on the side of some unsuspecting conifer, thereby rendering me a a drooling, misshapen, non-extreme-trail-running husk of my former self, forced to roam the Earth in a motorized wheelchair with my name, embossed on one of those cute little license plates you get at carnivals or state fairs, fastened to the back?"
To that we answer, hey, have you ever seen a mountain goat (even an extreme mountain goat) careen out of control into the side of a tree?
Didn't think so."


Nike lost my business in 2000.


I don't care who you are that is FUNNY! :D

[MAcNIAC]

i've run once with my iphone (was on-call for work, but wanted to go for a run:cool:). it fit nicely in the mesh pocket of my zoot tri shorts.

maybe it'd be better in a pocket of a "fuel belt" for those of us who do long distance - to protect it from sweat, but would the gps still work???

i find gps very accurate - those complaining about gps accuracy - are you under cloud cover? outside my gps is accurate to within a few metres:D

[archurban]

I enjoyed nike+ipod when I had nano. but since I have only used iphone, I have missed the fact that will be coming or not. so it is great news for everybody who wants to work out with nike+ system. it will be coming soon. of course, it won't be free. I don't know. but I will buy it. actually, it takes advantage of GPS on google map as well.

[Jelite]

"Set a new goals" :confused:

[bstahlhood]

well, not to take anything away from you, i can tell that you don't work for apple or nike, and you haven't given us anything to believe (besides what you typed here). i'm not saying i don't believe you, but i'm not saying i do either.

please tell us more

Neither Apple or Nike are doing the app for iPhone. One of the larger design studios out there handles a lot of the Nike work when it comes to the plus brand. That studio hired another studio to do the work ;)

[twoodcc]

Neither Apple or Nike are doing the app for iPhone. One of the larger design studios out there handles a lot of the Nike work when it comes to the plus brand. That studio hired another studio to do the work ;)

how do you know that? do you have any idea when this will be released (that's really what matters)

[Bakerman]

Unless you plan on wearing your iPhone under your shoe, it's not going to be accurate. The accelerometer in nike+ works by calculating how much time your foot spends going up, on the ground, and pushing away. An accelerometer is not like a speedometer in a car, wearing the sensor anywhere on your body but on the bottom of the shoes would not work.


Not only that, but the system also relies on the fact that the sensor is still (not moving) during the short time your foot is on the ground. This is used to cancel out drift in the signals coming from the actual accelerometer inside the sensor. Without this drift-cancellation, the system would be much more inaccurate. This is why it's not good enough to wear it around your ankle or in a loosely attached pouch on top of your shoe. It's OK to wear it on top of your shoe, but you must ensure that it doesn't move around while you're running.

[bstahlhood]

how do you know that? do you have any idea when this will be released (that's really what matters)

It is being wrapped up over the next couple weeks. It will then be up to the studio and Nike to work out the details on release...

[ozthegweat]

Both the iPhone and the iPod touch are a bit big for working out or running, which is one reasonwhy I think we will see a new device running Mobile OS X (one other being bringing the entry price for Mobile OS X devices down), let's just call it "iPod touch nano":
- just as big as the display itself is, perhaps a little smaller display than the iPod touch/iPhone, 8GB memory
- the iPod touch would then get an upgrade with GPS, camera and microphone, and perhaps 64GB

Although it would be nice to have GPS in the iPod touch nano also when using the Nike+iPod application :)

[bpl323]

Only a matter of time. Time to get a new iPhone armband.

[twoodcc]

It is being wrapped up over the next couple weeks. It will then be up to the studio and Nike to work out the details on release...

well i hope you are right, and that it's released in a month or so

[The Tall One]

I don't think you need this. Just run.

[marmiteturkey]

It's a fake - as reported in the post edit. The extra photo on AppleInsider shows the user playing a song by ColdPlay called 'Violent Hill' (it's 'Violet Hill', obviously) - to go with the other typos already pointed out.

I do want this, and it does make sense. But I don't think this is it.

[Yixian]

It's a fake - as reported in the post edit. The extra photo on AppleInsider shows the user playing a song by ColdPlay called 'Violent Hill' (it's 'Violet Hill', obviously) - to go with the other typos already pointed out.

I do want this, and it does make sense. But I don't think this is it.

Couldn't it just be that they didn't want to have to get rights to the song for the prototype?

Does anyone actually have any firm info here? I just bought some Nike+ trainers and I really want to get into it with my iPhone.

[macwall]

i guess i'm the only one that still uses my shuffle for runnin

[Yixian]

Anyone got an educated guess as to the release? Could we see it at the rumored Sept 9th event?

[madmaxmedia]

It seems to me that since the iPhone already has anaccelerometer, this app should work with any shoes without special hardware. In fact, apps like RunKeeper are already available on the App Store. What value will Nike provide?

Yes, we will just need to buy the new Nike shoes with a slot to fit your iPhone in. ;)

Just kidding, the image of tying strapping an iPhone to your shoe just cracked me up. I have no idea what can or can't be done with the iPhone accelerometer with this, if it would work just as well tied to your waist or on an armband.

I would prefer GPS (especially if the new iPod Touch has GPS), but I don't run on a treadmill.

[t0mat0]

Yes, we will just need to buy the new Nike shoes with a slot to fit your iPhone in. ;)

Just kidding, the image of tying strapping an iPhone to your shoe just cracked me up. I have no idea what can or can't be done with the iPhone accelerometer with this, if it would work just as well tied to your waist or on an armband.

I would prefer GPS (especially if the new iPod Touch has GPS), but I don't run on a treadmill.

Anyone seen La Grande Ville Bellevue (sp?) - the animation about a French kid that grows up to be a cyclist in the Tour de France?
Say you're on a bike, or on a treadmill - what's not to say that you couldn't use the iPhone screen as a rich UI/visual display of a race (I won't spoil the film, but you'll know if you've seen it).

Think like an ergo (Concept II) rower - or the bikes - you can have a race with computer opponents, or just have a pace speed competitor -

Once the way of passing the real time data from the bike/treadmill etc to the iPhone is worked out - the apps from this could be amazing. Sod little red or green LEDs - iPhone power! Then you could do AMAZING data analysis - think the amount of data you can date when you use a Concept II log card to show all the metrics/telemetry. There's a lot of potential to do something more than just Gym bound too - see motionbased.com etc.

It's a lot of development time.

[NuttyBars]

This is great news (if true).

I never ran before about 18 months ago, and I have 1,536 miles on my Nike+ since I added it to my routine last September. It's a great motivator!