Apple's September Quarter Mac Sales Projected to be "Massive" [Archive]

MacRumors

Aug 21, 2008, 01:47 PM

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AlleyInsider reports that RBC analyst Mike Abramsky is projecting (http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/8/apple-s-back-to-school-sales-massive-says-rbc-aapl-) that Apple will ship 3.04 million Macs in the current quarter than ranges from July to September.

If accurate, this would represent 41% year-over-year growth for Mac sales for the company. Apple's short term outlook also looks remarkably positive as well as AppleInsider reports that the analyst found in a survey (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/08/21/apple_may_report_unprecedented_3_million_mac_quarter.html) that "34 percent of respondents intend to purchase a Mac notebook in the next 90 days, while another 30 percent plan to buy a Mac desktop."

The strong quarterly sales are attributed to both the Back to School promotion as well as an iPhone "halo effect". The halo effect describes an increased tendency for customers to purchase a Mac after first buying an iPhone. The term was first used in conjunction with Apple when describing a similar effect that iPod has had on Mac sales.

For students interested in buying a new Mac at this time, the expiring Back to School (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/03/apple-launches-back-to-school-promo-free-ipod-touch-with-mac-purchase/) promotion presents a bit of a dilemma. Apple is currently offering a new iPod Touch with most Mac purchases until September 15th. Rumors, however, predict that Apple will introduce new laptops as well as a new iPod Touch shortly after the end of the promotion.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/21/apples-september-quarter-mac-sales-projected-to-be-massive/)

dissdnt

Aug 21, 2008, 01:48 PM

Bring on the new macbooks son!

amac4me

Aug 21, 2008, 01:50 PM

It's all those switchers!

ArmyKnight12

Aug 21, 2008, 01:50 PM

awesome news.

whooleytoo

Aug 21, 2008, 01:51 PM

2 words, 1 letter, and one smiley:

Jesus H. Christ. :eek:

That is a humongous number of Macs to sell, allied to iPhone sales, and revenue from iTunes.

Didn't they give very conservative guidance for this quarter?

philsuarez

Aug 21, 2008, 01:51 PM

Hi
Surely lots of people like myself are waiting for new models to be released. Apple will have to revise models soon if they want to catch this quarter.
Phil

alphaod

Aug 21, 2008, 01:52 PM

Considering a lot of my friends are buying Macs these days--when we talk of buying a new computer, everything is saving up for the apples. I'm not particularly surprised that they are expecting a bit jump in revenue.

Aznsensation45

Aug 21, 2008, 01:53 PM

woot! good job Apple.

Now lets see those new refreshed MBP that i'm going to buy!:D

newyorksole

Aug 21, 2008, 01:54 PM

Lol put me in the halo effect category. After getting my first iPod and then iPhone I have been looking into getting a Mac. I have wanted one for about 6 years and that dream is hopefully going to become a reality this September.

phatcat

Aug 21, 2008, 01:55 PM

Tough call.

Buy macbook now and get an old but dependable design.

or buy new gen and experience rev A problems.

sam10685

Aug 21, 2008, 01:57 PM

Hi
Surely lots of people like myself are waiting for new models to be released. Apple will have to revise models soon if they want to catch this quarter.
Phil

I am. I need a new laptop bad too.

tgildred

Aug 21, 2008, 01:58 PM

It's all those switchers!

I call them flip-floppers.

OddyOh

Aug 21, 2008, 01:58 PM

Just rev those Mac Pro's one more time, then my workplace can order up! Also have friends waiting for the MacBook revisions...

IJ Reilly

Aug 21, 2008, 02:08 PM

Didn't they give very conservative guidance for this quarter?

As always. I believe they were even more conservative than usual this past quarter, due to the slowing economy worldwide. Even so, amazingly enough, a lot of people still take Apple's guidance at face value.

TwinCities Dan

Aug 21, 2008, 02:12 PM

I love it! This truly is great news! :D :cool:

MacAficionado

Aug 21, 2008, 02:15 PM

And still stock is down $2.46 right now. :mad:

swingerofbirch

Aug 21, 2008, 02:18 PM

Tough call.

Buy macbook now and get an old but dependable design.

or buy new gen and experience rev A problems.

Are MacBooks considered dependable? I have had a number of problems, not as many as with an iBook I had, but more than I had with my PowerBook G4 12".

I've had close to enough repairs for my MacBook to be replaced and actually hope it gets replaced with a different, new model. By now they've taken out and replaced almost every internal component and it still has problems. The problem too with repairs is that I feel like the computer is always destined to have more problems after having been opened up and worked on.

bgomez15

Aug 21, 2008, 02:19 PM

CWallace

Aug 21, 2008, 02:22 PM

And to think, they did it without Blu-ray, a workstation class MacBook Pro or a mini-tower! :p

IJ Reilly

Aug 21, 2008, 02:25 PM

And still stock is down $2.46 right now. :mad:

What, you're looking for logic in the daily movements of stocks?

arn

Aug 21, 2008, 02:26 PM

To get the rebate claim for the free ipod the apple website states that customers must submit the claim by October 15, 2008...

You have to buy before September 15th. You have to submit the paperwork by Oct 15.

arn

nayxn2nayxn

Aug 21, 2008, 02:28 PM

To get the rebate claim for the free ipod the apple website states that customers must submit the claim by October 15, 2008... though it seems it would make more sense that the promotion ends in september if the mac and ipod revisions are to come by then.:confused:

This is the link to the apple page. Read the 3rd step on How To get your free iPod on the right side of the page.

http://www.apple.com/backtoschool/?cid=WWW-NAUS-BTS20080530-OSA9M

You have to buy the mac+ipod by Sept. 15. Then, after that, you have a month to claim your rebate(s). Otherwise, if you buy after the ultimatum of Sept. 15, you will not receive your rebate.

Edit. i guess we answered at the same time haha

nep61

Aug 21, 2008, 02:31 PM

I love it! This truly is great news! :D :cool:

I second that !!!

Bring on the new dual 16-core, 6.5GHz, 32GB RAM with a 12TB hard drive MBP I've been waiting for !!! Oh, right...it's only 2008, what am I thinking...:D... That's next year's model.....:D:D:D:D

todd2fst4u

Aug 21, 2008, 02:31 PM

To get the rebate claim for the free ipod the apple website states that customers must submit the claim by October 15, 2008... though it seems it would make more sense that the promotion ends in september if the mac and ipod revisions are to come by then.:confused:

This is the link to the apple page. Read the 3rd step on How To get your free iPod on the right side of the page.

http://www.apple.com/backtoschool/?cid=WWW-NAUS-BTS20080530-OSA9M
promotion ends september 15th. you then have 1 month, october 15th, to submit for the rebate.

iMacmatician

Aug 21, 2008, 02:32 PM

Redesigned MacBooks and MacBook Pros…

Bring it on!!

bretjohnson90

Aug 21, 2008, 02:33 PM

how soon do you think the notebooks will come out after the back to school promotion is over?

sn00pie

Aug 21, 2008, 02:35 PM

Tough call.

Buy macbook now and get an old but dependable design.

or buy new gen and experience rev A problems.

Yep, the reason I'm going for the old design is thanks to the back to school promos. Free Airport Express and free iWork 08'. :)

momoe

Aug 21, 2008, 02:40 PM

Actually, the Apple Store indicates purchases through September 15. The October 15 date is merely to submit your claim.

"If you’re a student, teacher, or staff member and you buy a Mac with your education discount between June 3 and September 15, 2008, you can get a free iPod touch or iPod nano after rebate.*"

To get the rebate claim for the free ipod the apple website states that customers must submit the claim by October 15, 2008... though it seems it would make more sense that the promotion ends in september if the mac and ipod revisions are to come by then.:confused:

This is the link to the apple page. Read the 3rd step on How To get your free iPod on the right side of the page.

http://www.apple.com/backtoschool/?cid=WWW-NAUS-BTS20080530-OSA9M

momoe :apple:

happydude

Aug 21, 2008, 02:42 PM

so many macbooks . . . so little of my money to spend . . .

elppa

Aug 21, 2008, 02:43 PM

I know Apple is experiencing some growing pains at the moment and there have been some things the company would have wanted to handle better.

That said, this growth is exceptional for the platform and that will benefit anyone who uses it. More support, better compatibility, more applications etc.

Good stuff.

rdowns

Aug 21, 2008, 02:52 PM

Take that Seinfeld. :D

Massive is certainly the right word to describe these numbers. Now that it's out there, Apple better hit these numbers.

iQuit

Aug 21, 2008, 02:53 PM

Seinfeld uses a Mac.

gkarris

Aug 21, 2008, 02:53 PM

Per Michael Dell, I'm waiting for Steve Jobs to give me my shareholder money back... :eek:

kjs862

Aug 21, 2008, 02:54 PM

I think for those who need a computer for school, I would say go for an imac, that way you have a computer to work on, but you won't get pissed off when the new laptops come out.

Or you can get the a macbook air, that design is going to be with us for awhile, and I think the air is suppose to see only processor updates. And if you if your concerned about minor updates with the air, you shouldn't be getting the air to begin with. Its simply a basic task machine and a minor update isn't going to affect you.

kaiwai

Aug 21, 2008, 02:57 PM

It's all those switchers!

The move to Intel was the best decision Apple ever made. Their hardware is competitively priced and performance is great; its more accessible than ever; and thanks to the stagnent development of Windows, people are looking for alternatives.

I remember wait at a bus stop, and a local business owner saw I bought a Mac - we started chatting; she had just recently moved to one. As she said, she needed to relearn some basics, but now she is a real wizz on it.

What this goes to show is that if you do put up a decent alternative to Windows - people will buy it. Apple is proof that competition is alive and well in the computer world.

adamjay

Aug 21, 2008, 02:58 PM

i beleive it, i've been to the local apple store twice this month and each time i could pick out at least 2 or 3 parents buying everything they could for their 1 or 2 kids going to college.
watched a guy yesterday buy his two boys two MBPs, two 24" iMacs, two apple tv's, two airport base stations, and two iPhones.

kids want macs, thank the iPod.

kaiwai

Aug 21, 2008, 03:00 PM

Yep, the reason I'm going for the old design is thanks to the back to school promos. Free Airport Express and free iWork 08'. :)

iWork rocks - and you'd be surprised, in New Zealand, it is becoming the defacto office suite of choice in schools. It does everything kids need without the huge price ontop.

I have Office 2008, but thats more to do with compatibility than anything else; if there weren't any concerns like that, I'd go with iWorks too.

I wonder what iWorks '09 has in store :)

collegebound

Aug 21, 2008, 03:04 PM

Let's say I purchase on September 14 and the new ones are released on the 24th. Can't I return the one I purchased on the 14th and exchange it for the new one? I know the model number on the Touch might change, and those are specifically listed, but it says any computer qualifies. Would it still qualify, or would they use the date of the exchange?

Anybody know the ins and outs of an exchange and this promo? Could they run out of the old version before it ships (if I order it on the 14th?)Then they'd have to upgrade me right!? Do they put the old versions on "clearance" prices?

I'm on the fence because I've heard both the macbook and Touch may receive price decreases. If they each go down $100, then I just as well wait for the new stuff...if they don't go down, then I go for the current one with the rebate.

I suppose I could still buy on the 14th, and even if the rebate won't work with a return, at least I could decide whether to forgo the rebate for the newer stuff, if the price indeed has been dropped.

Thinking it through even as I type!

elvtnedge

Aug 21, 2008, 03:06 PM

Can't wait... its time to upgrade from a mac mini duo core 1.66 to a macbook atleast 2.4 core duo 2 or whatever the fastest is! The mini was a test machine for me 2 years ago to see if I liked macs.. im ready for some serious stuff now..

vilasgn

Aug 21, 2008, 03:06 PM

bring on the new MBP. I am ready to jump on.:D

collegebound

Aug 21, 2008, 03:07 PM

LaDirection

Aug 21, 2008, 03:08 PM

Careful though, that Jerry Seinfeld/Bill Gates Vista ad coupled with Dell's iTunes-killer music service from a mentally ill former Apple exec could really slow Apple down!

dernhelm

Aug 21, 2008, 03:10 PM

If accurate, this would represent 41% year-over-year growth for Mac sales for the company.

I just purchased one for my sister-in-law and her husband. Chalk it up as another switcher!

Wow. These numbers (if true) are awesome.

elppa

Aug 21, 2008, 03:13 PM

Oh yea, I forgot to ask. I am a Mac newbie. Is this iworks bascially like microsoft office?

iWork is not as fully featured as Office, but it is easier to use thanks to it's less cluttered interface and has much better multimedia capabilities.

It is a new piece of software, the Presentation Suite (Keynote) leaves Powerpoint for dead, but the Spreadsheet is still in version one.

Office is of course more compatible because nearly everyone uses Office.

Don't just get a Mac because others are, get what suites you best. There are good reasons why people are buying Macs though.

It's a personal choice, no one can make up your mind for you.

OS X Dude

Aug 21, 2008, 03:14 PM

OS X Dude

Aug 21, 2008, 03:16 PM

Bubba Satori

Aug 21, 2008, 03:17 PM

And to think, they did it without Blu-ray, a workstation class MacBook Pro or a mini-tower! :p

One can only imagine how spectacular it would have been with those. Oh well. Congrats on a great quarter Apple.

NC MacGuy

Aug 21, 2008, 03:18 PM

Back to School Promotion = Clearance Sale in Apple speak.

A buy now may bring regret in a month when new products are released.

number9

Aug 21, 2008, 03:20 PM

costabunny

Aug 21, 2008, 03:25 PM

ooh maybe they are going to release the i<insrt-one-of-many-vapourware-items-here> that I have been waiting for ;)

nah serioously - good news if they can do it..

I am slowly switching peeps here.... I am doing my part too :)

Clayne

Aug 21, 2008, 03:26 PM

Awesome, now just release them.

stagi

Aug 21, 2008, 03:33 PM

Great news!

michaellinehan

Aug 21, 2008, 03:45 PM

"The halo effect describes an increased tendency for customers to purchase a Mac after first buying an iPhone. The term was first coined when describing a similar effect that iPod has had on Mac sales."

I think Apple is fantastic. Always have. But let's not inaccurately ascribe too much to them. "Halo effect" was not first coined around the iPod crossover phenomenon. It is standard marketing technology.

tny

Aug 21, 2008, 04:03 PM

iWork is more comparable to Microsoft Works than Microsoft Office. It's a combination of a basic home publishing/word processing program (with fewer features than Word), a basic spreadsheet (with fewer features than Excel), and a very nice presentation program (with fewer features, but a better aesthetic, than Powerpoint).

No, it's not free; usually $79 (I think you can get it cheaper at school).

I'd recommend the MacBook for a student; it's $1099, but very upgradeable (unlike many other Macs).

Oh yea, I forgot to ask. I am a Mac newbie. Is this iworks bascially like microsoft office? Is it not normally included and is it included as part of the back to school promo? If I wait, do I not get it on the new model? Still toying of Dell vs Apple, but it's granny's $$ (not that I have unlimited $$-but $100-200 won't bother her either way-still thinking lower end Mac though as Dell can be had for $850 with all I need)

JMac213

Aug 21, 2008, 04:07 PM

In regards to the last paragraph (below): the point of most promotions is to move old stock. Ever hear of the Wolfsburg limited edition? Yeah having one of those means you got suckered into buying a volkswagen just before the new model came out. Most are unaware of the "dilemma". As for the informed there is really no dilemma either, you wait for the new goods else wait anyway and get drastically reduced newly old model.

"For students interested in buying a new Mac at this time, the expiring Back to School promotion presents a bit of a dilemma. Apple is currently offering a new iPod Touch with most Mac purchases until September 15th. Rumors, however, predict that Apple will introduce new laptops as well as a new iPod Touch shortly after the end of the promotion."

jackfrost123

Aug 21, 2008, 04:10 PM

bgomez15

Aug 21, 2008, 04:24 PM

thank you for the correction. i just noticed that apple updated the promotion to clearly display that offer ends 9/15 right after i posted it. oops... i feel a little dumb...

dang this blows... i dont know what to do. my ipod just broke and i was planning on getting a macbook pro this month for school.

if i get it now, i can get $200 off and a free ipod touch after rebate.

but if i wait, i can get an updated more powerful macbook pro and a (rumored) newly designed ipod touch.

Then again, if i wait, i could be dealing with unstable, buggy software for a higher price... im sure everything will be fine with the new macbook pro, but most of apples high end mobile devices such as the iphone and ipod touch experience lots of bugs when they first come out. even the iphone 3g came out buggy.

i dont know what to do...

RMo

Aug 21, 2008, 04:31 PM

Curiously, here in England, my friends (and most others I know) perceive Macs to be great, but not worth the money. They're like "I'd get one, but it's only a computer and they cost too much".

Good thing really, don't want all my friends owning Macs - gotta have my own toy :)-

If Apple's prices in the UK are anything like the rest of Europe, that doesn't really surprise me. Somehow, they seem to end up costing a lot more when you compare Apple's USD-versus-Euro prices.

Not that they don't cost a lot here, but Europe certainly has a better argument. :D

gcmexico

Aug 21, 2008, 04:40 PM

wow 41% increase..great job Apple!

puckhead193

Aug 21, 2008, 04:43 PM

in a way i'm glad that people are seeing the light, but on the other hand i don't feel special anymore for owning a mac. :apple:

The Tall One

Aug 21, 2008, 04:54 PM

What about a new mac desktop?

Westside guy

Aug 21, 2008, 04:55 PM

For students interested in buying a new Mac at this time, the expiring Back to School (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/03/apple-launches-back-to-school-promo-free-ipod-touch-with-mac-purchase/) promotion presents a bit of a dilemma. Apple is currently offering a new iPod Touch with most Mac purchases until September 15th. Rumors, however, predict that Apple will introduce new laptops as well as a new iPod Touch shortly after the end of the promotion.

People always want the latest and greatest, and I'm the same way. But really - for the vast majority of what people use their computers for, the current processors are way overkill. So from a practical standpoint there's not a huge benefit to waiting for the new releases.

I'd been carting my C2D MacBook Pro from home to work, and back again, every day for the past year or so. I got a bit tired of doing this, so I decided to try an experiment - I brought my 5-year-old 1.25GHz PPC Powerbook (w/ 2GB of RAM) in to work, and am using that (at night I just lock it in a secure filing cabinet at the office). The Powerbook is obviously several times less powerful, processor-wise, than the MacBook Pro; but it is not significantly impacting my ability to do my job. Apps like Word and Photoshop launch a little slower; but seriously - the Powerbook is still fast enough so I don't even think about it.

gnasher729

Aug 21, 2008, 04:56 PM

-

If Apple's prices in the UK are anything like the rest of Europe, that doesn't really surprise me. Somehow, they seem to end up costing a lot more when you compare Apple's USD-versus-Euro prices.

Not that they don't cost a lot here, but Europe certainly has a better argument. :D

Excluding sales tax, MacBooks in the UK are about 1-2 percent more expensive than in the USA.

elppa

Aug 21, 2008, 05:05 PM

JMac213

Aug 21, 2008, 05:30 PM

People always want the latest and greatest, and I'm the same way. But really - for the vast majority of what people use their computers for, the current processors are way overkill. So from a practical standpoint there's not a huge benefit to waiting for the new releases.

I'd been carting my C2D MacBook Pro from home to work, and back again, every day for the past year or so. I got a bit tired of doing this, so I decided to try an experiment - I brought my 5-year-old 1.25GHz PPC Powerbook (w/ 2GB of RAM) in to work, and am using that (at night I just lock it in a secure filing cabinet at the office). The Powerbook is obviously several times less powerful, processor-wise, than the MacBook Pro; but it is not significantly impacting my ability to do my job. Apps like Word and Photoshop launch a little slower; but seriously - the Powerbook is still fast enough so I don't even think about it.

Uh, yeah, sure. My donkey and wagon are just as good as my neighbors BMW. I'm sure your PowerPC is fine for email but it can't render web pages quickly. Watching someone suffer to prove a bad point is one of the best forms of schadenfreude.

:p

lkrupp

Aug 21, 2008, 05:30 PM

And to think, they did it without Blu-ray, a workstation class MacBook Pro or a mini-tower! :p

You forgot native Ogg-Vorbis support.:eek:

surferfromuk

Aug 21, 2008, 05:31 PM

gmon750

Aug 21, 2008, 05:34 PM

I wonder how many of those sales might be for current (and future) iPhone developers since it can only be done on a Mac. I would think it's a major contributor.

jackfrost123

Aug 21, 2008, 05:43 PM

Excluding sales tax, MacBooks in the UK are about 1-2 percent more expensive than in the USA.

How much is exactly the sales tax over there? I 've heard your argument before and I believe it's true, but translating the prices in us dollars on apples webpages to euros or pounds makes for at least 30% less than they for in Europe, so I suppose the sales tax is huge. That is if you take your euros make them into dollars and buy a mac over in the States it SEEMS a much better option. But there's sales tax in Europe of course too.

bplein

Aug 21, 2008, 05:44 PM

The problem too with repairs is that I feel like the computer is always destined to have more problems after having been opened up and worked on.

My daughter's MacBook had two logic boards and a keypad go on it over the course of 2 months. It's been perfect since. I don't think there is such thing as a permanent lemon, it's just a matter of statistics. My MBP has been perfect, my daughter's MB had too many problems in a short period but then it's been great. And she really bangs on hers hard, a few hours a day in the summer and several hours a day during the school year.

MacGohil

Aug 21, 2008, 05:46 PM

watched a guy yesterday buy his two boys two MBPs, two 24" iMacs, two apple tv's, two airport base stations, and two iPhones.

kids want macs, thank the iPod.

Sounds like an Apple Exec stationary shopping for his Freshman kids.... :rolleyes:

Cpt. Morgan

Aug 21, 2008, 05:53 PM

I hope they can lower the prices on their computers by 100-250$ because of the greater numbers of their computers being sold.

Its about time Apple became more competitive price wise. For the price of my MacBook + ram/HD, I could have bought one hell of a nice Sony VIAO, or a very well equipped HP Pavilion with dual hard drives.

cameronjpu

Aug 21, 2008, 06:07 PM

Hi
Surely lots of people like myself are waiting for new models to be released. Apple will have to revise models soon if they want to catch this quarter.
Phil

Don't get it? They are in no rush to "catch" this quarter, because they are kicking butt this quarter. They will sell as many of the old ones as they have, and only then launch the new ones... to "catch" NEXT quarter.

ingenious

Aug 21, 2008, 06:11 PM

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well, I know I was one of those buyers... My new macbook pro should get here this weekend from shanghai! My shiny new iPod touch got here today. I didn't have it engraved so I could resell it if I just 'have' to have whatever comes in September... A 32 gb should have a good resale value!

proc

Aug 21, 2008, 06:23 PM

CWallace

Aug 21, 2008, 06:24 PM

We are a gerbils whisker away from the 15 million macs per year that I predicted for 2009.

I think were going to be looking at 25 million in 2010.

Microsoft are already 10 years to late in trying to stop this runaway train...

Good numbers, to be sure, but let us not forget Microsoft pushes hundreds of millions of Windows licenses a year out the door. Just last quarter they shoveled 50 million Vista licenses alone.

MS may not be able to stop the train, but they're so far ahead on the tracks, they likely don't care. ;)

Drumjim85

Aug 21, 2008, 06:29 PM

And she really bangs on hers hard, a few hours a day in the summer and several hours a day during the school year.

;););)

cameronjpu

Aug 21, 2008, 06:38 PM

And still stock is down $2.46 right now. :mad:

That's because this is not news, it is an opinion. Once it is official, or once the market believes it more importantly, the stock will reflect it. That is, if it doesn't already know it (which it probably does ;))

137489

Aug 21, 2008, 06:38 PM

iWork is more comparable to Microsoft Works than Microsoft Office. It's a combination of a basic home publishing/word processing program (with fewer features than Word), a basic spreadsheet (with fewer features than Excel), and a very nice presentation program (with fewer features, but a better aesthetic, than Powerpoint).

No, it's not free; usually $79 (I think you can get it cheaper at school).

I'd recommend the MacBook for a student; it's $1099, but very upgradeable (unlike many other Macs).

I like your anaolgy of office vs iwork. Yeah, iWork is lacking in some areas. I use them both together. Reason - the new office 2007 (windows) has some issues. sometimes I bring a document into office for features, other times i bring it into iwork to spruce it up. I am not really sure if they fixed all the problems with office 2008 for the mac.

Yes, go with a macbook. I am a late student (ie pushing 40 and going to seminary 1 class per semester). I also work full time as a DBA for MS-SQL, and also have a ministry. I have a high end white macbook (see sig below). It has been perfect for my needs.

Peel

Aug 21, 2008, 06:44 PM

AlleyInsider reports that RBC analyst Mike Abramsky is projecting (http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/8/apple-s-back-to-school-sales-massive-says-rbc-aapl-) that Apple will ship 3.04 million Macs in the current quarter than ranges from July to September.

That's because this is not news, it is an opinion. Once it is official, or once the market believes it more importantly, the stock will reflect it. That is, if it doesn't already know it (which it probably does )

Of course now if they only manage to sell 3.03 million, Wall Street will be dissapointed, and Apple's stock will fall. :rolleyes:

Bubba Satori

Aug 21, 2008, 06:45 PM

i don't feel special anymore for owning a mac. :apple:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_qMhBtKe3htg/RljaDlWaVnI/AAAAAAAAAeA/b2DV6S-3vNI/s400/church_lady.jpg

137489

Aug 21, 2008, 06:49 PM

Oh yea, I forgot to ask. I am a Mac newbie. Is this iworks bascially like microsoft office? Is it not normally included and is it included as part of the back to school promo? If I wait, do I not get it on the new model? Still toying of Dell vs Apple, but it's granny's $$ (not that I have unlimited $$-but $100-200 won't bother her either way-still thinking lower end Mac though as Dell can be had for $850 with all I need)

STAY AWAY FROM DELL!!!!

Did I say it loud enough?? Every Dell I have ever had (work, Personal, or repaired for people) stink. The laptops tend to die after 1 year (especially the LCD on the XPS models). Dell is random thrown together parts. Just search for my posts - I posted a lot on this furom and different threads. If you really want Windows (and God Only knows Why......) Get a macbook and run bootcamp / parallels / or fusions.

GO TO MACMALL.COM. They have good prices, will pre-condfigure it, will ship the same or next day, and do not charge sales tax. That is where I got mine from. I love it..... Oh Yes, and don't forget your Applecare warrenty. May be a few extra $100, but you will not be sorry if anything happens to your machine in the next 3 years.

cameronjpu

Aug 21, 2008, 06:52 PM

What about a new mac desktop?

I bet the big sticking point, in Apple's eyes, of a headless desktop is that people will buy their own, BLACK monitor to go with it. Thus, Apple loses the instant recognition factor that they have always enjoyed with the iMac line. I bet if they could figure out some way to get people to buy only white monitors, and to prevent PC users from buying the same, they'd be all about it ;)

wadejc85

Aug 21, 2008, 06:54 PM

http://bp2.blogger.com/_qMhBtKe3htg/RljaDlWaVnI/AAAAAAAAAeA/b2DV6S-3vNI/s400/church_lady.jpg

Haha! :D

surferfromuk

Aug 21, 2008, 06:56 PM

Good numbers, to be sure, but let us not forget Microsoft pushes hundreds of millions of Windows licenses a year out the door. Just last quarter they shoveled 50 million Vista licenses alone.

MS may not be able to stop the train, but they're so far ahead on the tracks, they likely don't care. ;)

True but even the long terrible dark ages ended with a renaissance!

cameronjpu

Aug 21, 2008, 06:58 PM

Of course now if they only manage to sell 3.03 million, Wall Street will be dissapointed, and Apple's stock will fall. :rolleyes:

The stock may fall, but it will have nothing to do with this news report. Stocks rise and fall on expectations for the future. Clearly the market already expected at least what was predicted today, OR doesn't believe it. People who think that the market is somehow fixed against their favorite company are idiots.

Westside guy

Aug 21, 2008, 06:58 PM

Uh, yeah, sure. My donkey and wagon are just as good as my neighbors BMW. I'm sure your PowerPC is fine for email but it can't render web pages quickly. Watching someone suffer to prove a bad point is one of the best forms of schadenfreude.

:p

Nothing personal, but you've got no idea what you're talking about. I'm a web developer (yeah, I'm posting from work; so sue me). The Powerbook has no trouble rendering web pages (even complex ones) quickly. When I'm writing perl, it runs BBEdit just fine. When I need to do templating, it runs Dreamweaver just fine. It even runs Photoshop just fine.

The one app that it has trouble with is Aperture; but I don't use that for work.

Your post reminds me of those silly Dell catalogs that I've been getting for the last decade. It used to be that the Pentium 2 machines were "great for email and web", but they recommended the Pentium 3s if you were doing anything more complex than that. Then, not all that much later, suddenly the P3s were the "great for email and web" machines, but if wanted to do more you needed a Pentium 4. And so on, and so on... Now a 2GHz Core 2 Duo is "great for email and web", but if you want to do more... :D

Advances in processing power have been outstripping the requirements of most software for quite a few years now. Memory, more often, is the constraining factor when it comes to apps running acceptably fast.

cameronjpu

Aug 21, 2008, 07:00 PM

STAY AWAY FROM DELL!!!!

Did I say it loud enough?? Every Dell I have ever had (work, Personal, or repaired for people) stink. The laptops tend to die after 1 year (especially the LCD on the XPS models). Dell is random thrown together parts. Just search for my posts - I posted a lot on this furom and different threads. If you really want Windows (and God Only knows Why......) Get a macbook and run bootcamp / parallels / or fusions.

GO TO MACMALL.COM. They have good prices, will pre-condfigure it, will ship the same or next day, and do not charge sales tax. That is where I got mine from. I love it..... Oh Yes, and don't forget your Applecare warrenty. May be a few extra $100, but you will not be sorry if anything happens to your machine in the next 3 years.

That's too bad - I support hundreds of Dells across many hundreds of users (individual owners and a few dozen businesses) and I have never had a consistent problem with them. A few failed systems here and there, caused by bad motherboards or hard drives, but a tiny percentage of the total. You must have some REALLY bad luck (that or maybe you let your personal opinions color your diagnosis)....

scotty96LSC

Aug 21, 2008, 07:02 PM

IJ Reilly

Aug 21, 2008, 07:04 PM

Salestax is 19% in The Netherlands and yes Apple does tend to cost more in Europe the specific prices vary per country however (as does the salestaxpercentage).

Doesn't almost everything cost more in Europe? I don't understand why Apple products are singled out so often when you are probably paying more for all consumer electronics, especially if the currently weak dollar is considered.

jbernie

Aug 21, 2008, 07:37 PM

mamcx

Aug 21, 2008, 07:39 PM

You worry by 16%? In Colombia a apple machine cost 40 - 45% more! and that is plus the higer cost of apple....

I'm close to get one and the diference between the average brand new high-end machine (+/- US 800 / 1.500.000 COL) and the next bottom-end macbook or imac (+/- US 1500 / 2.700.000 COL) is huge.

137489

Aug 21, 2008, 07:43 PM

That's too bad - I support hundreds of Dells across many hundreds of users (individual owners and a few dozen businesses) and I have never had a consistent problem with them. A few failed systems here and there, caused by bad motherboards or hard drives, but a tiny percentage of the total. You must have some REALLY bad luck (that or maybe you let your personal opinions color your diagnosis)....

1. user in Needham Mass - He had to rebuild the desktop system every couple of months, now bought a Sony Vaio laptop out of his own pocket as a backup work computer because he said no way to a Dell, even at corporate discount pricing.

2. User in Worcester Mass - Every night at 7:00pm BSOD, even ops cannot figure out why.

3. My Worship Pastor - 1 year old XSP. a $1400 laptop dead inverter board or LCD backlight. Dell will only sell the LCD, backlight, and inverter as a whole. Cost $420 - waited 3 weeks and 2 cancelled orders and they still could not guarantee a delivery in 30 days.

4. My Dell tower for work (a 4 month old machine). Power supply making horrible noise, fan quit working and machine came to a crawl. Dell contracted company installed new one. 2 days later the Motherboard, harddrive blew. the contracted employee also forgot to plug in a few parts and I had to open the case and reseat 3 cables just to get it to boot up correctly.

5. 2 years ago I worked for a company. We had 50 Dell towers in the one building alone. Every one of them blew a power supply within one year, one machine blew 3 a year. All of the same computers - all the front USB's stopped working.

6. Same company, Dell servers Crashing and down for days. they since started switching to IBM.

7. Most of the hospitals I support are running Dell Servers - getting memory errors in MS-SQL, yet it is a 4 gb machine with 3 gb free.

8. Friends who asked me for help as their computers are giving issues - most are Dell computers with issues ranging from bad hard drives, failed CD drives, or dim LCD's, or numerous OS errors - all just a week to 1 month outside of the 1 yr warrenty. They came to me for help afte getting the run around from Dell

9. My own Dell XSP - Never did burn DVD's from Day 1. Dell could not figure it out and offered to put in a new drive for $200. What? IT was under warrenty... they would not allow me to return the machine for a new one. Hard drive suffered an error that corrupted a windows file. Luckily reformatting the drive allowed it to bypass that bad sector. 2 years old to the date.... LCD got an internal crack in it. It was fine. I left it running something, came back and I had black messed up pixels. Upon rebooting, when the screen was still black on the Windows Startup screen, I could see the crack.

Need I go on? Bad Luck? Personal Opinion? Just google on Dell problems <insert your problem> or google "DELL NY COUMO LAWSUIT"

bETTER YET - HERE IS THE LINK:
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2008/may/may27a_08.html

IJ Reilly

Aug 21, 2008, 07:53 PM

If the report is accurate then it is very good news for Apple, if the report is wrong/incorrect by say 10% or more then the market could react unfavourably towards the stock. Lets hope they got it right.

Traders tend not to pay much attention to these sorts of sales estimates anyway. What they really want to see is EPS and forecasts for EPS.

cameronjpu

Aug 21, 2008, 07:58 PM

1. user in Needham Mass -

Need I go on? Bad Luck? Personal Opinion? Just google on Dell problems <insert your problem> or google "DELL NY COUMO LAWSUIT"

Dunno, maybe just bad Karma. I have no reason to think you're lying, besides the obvious (that your experience is SO far outside the norm, and you make no attempt to hide your Apple-fandom). So, assuming you're telling the truth, then we have a couple options - bad luck, yes, always possible. Several of the problems you listed were not Dell's fault, as you said, the fault of a bad contractor (#4), software problems outside Dell's control (#7), faulty building power systems (#5), problems made to seem common simply because Dell is the most popular computer in the world (#8).

You've clearly made up your mind, but you're a wacko if you believe your experience is typical.

SchneiderMan

Aug 21, 2008, 08:06 PM

go go go go

137489

Aug 21, 2008, 08:31 PM

Dunno, maybe just bad Karma. I have no reason to think you're lying, besides the obvious (that your experience is SO far outside the norm). So, assuming you're telling the truth, then we have a couple options - bad luck, yes, always possible. Several of the problems you listed were not Dell's fault, as you said, the fault of a bad contractor (#4), software problems outside Dell's control (#7), faulty building power systems (#5), problems made to seem common simply because Dell is the most popular computer in the world (#8).

You've clearly made up your mind, but you're a wacko if you believe your experience is typical.

Like I said, just google - there must be a world full of wackos; hmm or is it Dell stinks. I know too many people, personally. Just look

I would actually have liked to post the actual links but there is just a way too many..... Just google the exact words I have below and see all the results appear before your eyes. And that is just the tip of the iceburg.

Web Results 1 - 10 of about 15,000,000 for Dell problems.
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,470,000 for Dell bad lcd
Results 1 - 10 of about 114,000 for dell laptop lcd fails after 1 year
Results 1 - 10 of about 394,000 for Dell USB Fail
Results 1 - 10 of about 824,000 for Dell Harddrive fail
Results 1 - 10 of about 419,000 for Dell bad customer service.
Results 1 - 10 of about 363,000 for Dell bad DVD

The problem with Dell is that they are a dunch of thrown together cheap parts that Dell can aquire at once. Rarely had I ever ran across a machine that had the same parts in it - even with the same model number. Just an example of my now Dead Dell machine's internals:

Samsung LCD
Westerd Digital Hard Drive
Phillips DVD
Kingston memory (one Chip)
PNY Memory (the other chip)

#5 had nothing to do with the building's power - I just gave an example of the building I was in. That company had Patient Service Centers all over the USA, and several buildings in the burlington, NC and RTP, NC area alone with 100's of computers. The poor ops people were running crazy trying to service them all. It got to a point were Dell would not send a contractor out anymore. they said "Well, you buy so many computers from us - here are the parts. Install them yourself and return the failed parts". At times it got so bad, and they had to wait so long on parts, they took all the good parts out of some machines and assembled their own machine and then sent back to Dell machines that every part was bad. Dell gave them permission to do that because we were going through them so fast.

Funny, they also used IBM, some Apple G3's (the tower with the neon plastic parts), and a couple of HP here or there. the only reason they went with Dell is due to the discount given, because of the share number of computers they were buying. A company with several thousand people world wide and replacing computers every 2-5 years. Which also does not include all the servers world wide.

Never heard to many complaints out of the IBM's, Unix Boxes, Apples, etc.

gkarris

Aug 21, 2008, 08:49 PM

thecartoonguy

Aug 21, 2008, 08:55 PM

STAY AWAY FROM DELL!!!!

Did I say it loud enough?? Every Dell I have ever had (work, Personal, or repaired for people) stink. The laptops tend to die after 1 year (especially the LCD on the XPS models). Dell is random thrown together parts. Just search for my posts - I posted a lot on this furom and different threads. If you really want Windows (and God Only knows Why......) Get a macbook and run bootcamp / parallels / or fusions.

GO TO MACMALL.COM. They have good prices, will pre-condfigure it, will ship the same or next day, and do not charge sales tax. That is where I got mine from. I love it..... Oh Yes, and don't forget your Applecare warrenty. May be a few extra $100, but you will not be sorry if anything happens to your machine in the next 3 years.

Indeed! Fusion is the way to go as it can run 64 bit apps, and it will run on just about any O/S.

jlbunting

Aug 21, 2008, 09:11 PM

The halo effect describes me. I got a iPhone and was so impressed. I sold my 6 month old windows laptop and got a mac book pro. I love it. Was a windows user for 15 years until I switched because of the iPhone. :)

Peel

Aug 21, 2008, 09:16 PM

The stock may fall, but it will have nothing to do with this news report. Stocks rise and fall on expectations for the future. Clearly the market already expected at least what was predicted today, OR doesn't believe it. People who think that the market is somehow fixed against their favorite company are idiots.

I trust you weren't calling me an idiot in your remarks.

What I meant by my statement was that Apple has traditionally been conservative about their future earnings, and certain wall street analysts have been a bit more bullish. Those more outstanding predictions tend to get spread around the internet, and then if Apple doesn't perform to those numbers (even though they may have done well by their own published predictions), the financial press tends to jump on them calling their earnings sub-par. I wouldn't say that the market is fixed against Apple, just that inverstors, as a whole, tend to follow the more sensational reports and act accordingly. And Apple, as a company in the spotlight for its tendancy to buck the status quo, seems to get more of these sensational reports than perhaps your average fortune 500 company does.

wadejc85

Aug 21, 2008, 09:31 PM

I recommend Dell to the people I hate... :eek:

Heh.. for some reason, I just pictured an evil laugh after this. ;)

I agree and do the same. Mwahahaha! :p

swb1192

Aug 21, 2008, 10:02 PM

Like I said, just google - there must be a world full of wackos; hmm or is it Dell stinks. I know too many people, personally. Just look

I would actually have liked to post the actual links but there is just a way too many..... Just google the exact words I have below and see all the results appear before your eyes. And that is just the tip of the iceburg.

Web Results 1 - 10 of about 15,000,000 for Dell problems.
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,470,000 for Dell bad lcd
Results 1 - 10 of about 114,000 for dell laptop lcd fails after 1 year
Results 1 - 10 of about 394,000 for Dell USB Fail
Results 1 - 10 of about 824,000 for Dell Harddrive fail
Results 1 - 10 of about 419,000 for Dell bad customer service.
Results 1 - 10 of about 363,000 for Dell bad DVD

-snip-

I may be a Mac boy, but I think it's funny that when you replace "dell" with "mac," you get more results than with dell....?

wadejc85

Aug 21, 2008, 10:11 PM

I may be a Mac boy, but I think it's funny that when you replace "dell" with "mac," you get more results than with dell....?

People shouldn't even be supporting their statements with Google search result numbers in the first place. It means absolutely nothing, except X number of pages have a, b, and c words on it.

Get over the Dell vs Mac thing! :mad:

137489

Aug 21, 2008, 10:18 PM

Dunno, maybe just bad Karma. I have no reason to think you're lying, besides the obvious (that your experience is SO far outside the norm, and you make no attempt to hide your Apple-fandom). So, assuming you're telling the truth, then we have a couple options - bad luck, yes, always possible. Several of the problems you listed were not Dell's fault, as you said, the fault of a bad contractor (#4), software problems outside Dell's control (#7), faulty building power systems (#5), problems made to seem common simply because Dell is the most popular computer in the world (#8).

You've clearly made up your mind, but you're a wacko if you believe your experience is typical.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add one more thing.... Apple-Fandom. Yes, I love Apple own a macbook (since April) and a mini (3 weeks now). However.....

1. I had an HP Media Center 2005 for 3 1/2 years. I just retired it. Nothing really wrong with it, except and occassional hiccup with Windows Media center Edition compatibility with software (XP professional so much better); and the fact is only has 512 ram. It had one more ram slot in it, but since it was a 2004 yr generation AMD - I figured it was time to retire it anyway. the machine never gave me any hardware problems - just was getting to old to run the latest software efficiently.

2. I had a Toshiba Laptop. Bought it in 2001, running a Pentium III 900 mhz class celeron and only had a DVD-ROM (drive would not even burn CD-R's). It was running XP-Home edition. I kept that machine until the summer of 2006, when I needed a newer machine to support my job off hours (they would not give me equipment at home, yet I had to take calls off hours - that's when I made my Dell mistake). I gave the toshiba to my Pastor. Almost 9 years old, and that machine is still running efficiently. He said this is the best computer he has ever worked with. In fact he even stopped using his desktop in his office and at home. Who could blame him with running 5hrs on a battery charge (and yes, the battery still charges correctly and still gets 5 hrs).

3. I worked for a company that was buying laptops for all their field persons. It was before I got introduced to apple. I told them Toshiba. They bought the mid-range Toshibas and never had a problem with them.

5. Just today I recommended A205-S5000 toshiba laptop today to a worship pastor. He really needs and wants a mac laptop - but his current financial needs would not allow him to spend $1,000 on a machine. The poor guy won a lottery to be #85 in line to get grabs at some old Gateways the college he works for was selling for $200. I told him, before he gets a computer that he has no idea the functionality or if it has any existing problems, here is one you can go into Walmart; and for a little more get something close to what you use it for. and No, I know you need GarageBand - but the only way to get that is on a mac. For what you want, other than GarageBand, and since the college will sell you Windows software for $10 - this Toshiba laptop would suit you fine. Just see me, because if it does not have SP1 for Vista 0- you will surely want that. All he wants is office, itunes, and wireless so he can take his online courses when work is slow - the college will let him work on his courses on the nights he is not overly busy. Other than he really wanted garageband and maybe Logic

So see, I am a fanboy - but I will recommend a quality or the best Windows computer for someone who cannot afford a mac, but does not want to get ripped off either -but they only have a certain budget to work with.

The poor worship Pastor has been looking at a mac for so long, and even contemporary Christian artists like Lenny Leblanc, Steven Curtis Chapman, and a few others he came to know are asking "you still don't have a mac?"

I really wish I had the money just to donate through the church, so that he could get the mac he needs for this music ministry.

137489

Aug 21, 2008, 10:20 PM

I may be a Mac boy, but I think it's funny that when you replace "dell" with "mac," you get more results than with dell....?

My point was for that person to google him self and to actually see the number of articles that come up that he can read. Like I said I wish I could post all the links, but that post would take up a whole page on this furom and maybe more. Or crash poor Arn's MySQL - and I know he would not like that so much.

137489

Aug 21, 2008, 10:39 PM

People shouldn't even be supporting their statements with Google search result numbers in the first place. It means absolutely nothing, except X number of pages have a, b, and c words on it.

Get over the Dell vs Mac thing! :mad:

Read my post right before this one. I know how Google search works. I was just telling the person to do it and actually read the articles and posts that come up, for themselves.

But yes, I will agree this Dell vs mac thing has really gone on (I think it is a bigger war than Windows vs OSX) - but what gets me is how people will tought Dell and say your problems are out of the norm and you must just have bad luck when we can prove the problem is more than just a random occurance. Especially since Dell has been sued a number of times over.

I am not saying Apple is perfect either, as I have seen many posts - but when people can point to 100's of problems and back them up - then it is a little funny when you are called a wacko, have bad karma, out of the norm, etc.

Of course what makes Dell stick out more, is the fact they are the number one selling computer (for now), and now that they dropped their prices and standards; and are sticking them at walmart - people are buying the $700-$980 Dell Laptops over a comperably good (comparing spec vs spec) Toshiba, Acer, Gateway that sell for $400-$700 and end up with less of a quality machine and crappy customer service to boot.

I also read a few articles that Dell closed the kiosks in malls for 3 reasons.

1. They wanted to get into Walmart where they had higher exposure and could sell off lower quality machines to the masses at lower prices.

2. they were sick of hearing about all the people walking up to the sales kiosk with Dell in hand asking for on-the-spot support or for the kiosk to help them get service on their Dell - because the Kiosks were Dell sales employees wearing Dell shirts.

3. they laid off all the kiosk employees as they needed to cut costs. so rather than paying a college person $10/hr or whatever they got, then the rent for the kiosk spot - they saved the money and stuck them in a big box store and knew people would buy them just for the name. the only thing is -I think this may backfire. the kiosks would atleast have working demo's you could try and the kiosk sales people would help you configure a machine. When was the last time you got that at wally world.

Actually, when was the last time an associate at wally world could even help you make an informed choice on buying a computer.

137489

Aug 21, 2008, 10:45 PM

Get over the Dell vs Mac thing! :mad:

OK. Enough said.:rolleyes:

collegebound

Aug 21, 2008, 11:00 PM

137489

Aug 21, 2008, 11:05 PM

And before anyone things I am only partial to HP and Toshiba on the PC side of the fence.

I worked for a company that had over 1000 IBM NetVista's (well until Netvista was no longer sold - then they became thinkcenter's - we rolled out the thinkcenters once the netvista stock ran out) in the field (this was before the sell out to lenovo). We downgraded some from XP to 2000 as certain apps were only certified on 2000; the others where we did not load that app, we left XP. 2 of them we upgraded to 2003 server. Other than when Seagate had the run of bad drives - we never had a problem out of the machines hardware wise. I almost bought one as a desktop myself, but one employee ticked off CDW and we lost our corporate pricing. Of course at the time they were $1000 machines. Now you can pick them up for $500

http://www.cfscratch.com/shopping/media/ibm_THINKCENTER8187_W6F.jpg

My wife's work uses the newer:

http://i.pricerunner.com/prod/3_8_3_17_585876l/IBM_ThinkCentre_M50_Pentium_4_3_0GHz_512MB_40GB_CD-ROM_WinXP_Pro.jpeg

Her company rents the computers with service contracts - so they get them replaced every 2 years. she been with the company 8 years, on her 3rd computer and is in the next cycle of replacements.

gkarris

Aug 21, 2008, 11:15 PM

I was at the Apple Store today - I could hard walk around in it - extremely crowded. People buying computers, iPhones, and many students trying to get the Back-To-School deal...

137489

Aug 21, 2008, 11:21 PM

I'm the one who dared mention I'm considering Dell (or HP). Just wanted to say my Dell Desktop is pushing 5 years old, never a single problem. (knock wood-that hard drive must be getting near the end......how long do those things last) It's just a home PC, lots of surfing and documents and photos, not heavy business use.

Still thinking. Leaning toward just waiting and see what news is out by 9/14......My brother (HUGE Mac fan) leans towards getting the newest one..

It does not take much on this furom to start a PC vs mac war :p seriously dude (or dudette if your a girl). I'd go with a mac and run parallels or fusion so you can still have your windows stuff, if you need it. Some colleges require macs only. Other Windows only. And others do not care. Most will not let you hook into their network and if they do, then you must have a certain spec.

I run parallels, others claim fusion runs better (I got parallels for free pre-configured). I do not like boot camp as I hate rebooting just to switch OS's. If you are going to be doing something heavy like MS-SQL, video editing or something hardware intensive - then I would go with bootcamp so that you can have all your system resources dedicated to the one OS.

Seriously, get what you need and can afford. Just do your research first. I and a few other people on this forum have bought and then sold machines that turned out to be a way less than what they were hoping. a macbook is a good middle of the road (better than a mini, almost same class as an imac - but you are not tied to a desk, and less expensive and almost comperable to a macbook pro). I got my macbook with parallels XP, 2gb ram, 250 gb harddrive. I just got a wacom bamboo tablet to plug into the USB and turned on inkwell and handwritting recognition. So, now I have close to tablet features but less than the cost of a tablet PC (I heard Vista tablets are still a little glitchy - but I never tried one off hand).

me, I am satisfied. And if you do by a mac. Get Circus Ponies Notebook rather soon. It has comperable features as MS onenote, and automatic indexing features and if you buy before version 3.0 is released - you can upgrade to 3.0 for free.

3.0 I read has some nice features like native handwriting recognition, sketching, stickies, etc. Here is the link:

http://www.circusponies.com/notebook30.html

The only thing is some colleges are requiring MS onenote as part of the musts for a curriculum. OneNote runs fine in Parallels, fusion, and bootcamp. I also run it in parallels - I have not converted all my stuff to notebook or PDF yet. Just 2 draw backs on onenote:

1. Cache file will eat up your disk space.
2. Auto backups will eat your disk space.
you will need to watch those files and delete them occassionally.

One big advantage on OneNote is no Save button (yes totally weird for an MS app). It saves automatically, so if you lose power or your battery goes dead, you do not lose your work.

If you have any more questions click on my name and email me. I would share more, but I have to get up in less than 7 hrs for work (luckily I work from home now and tomorrows Friday - one of my slower days).

Oh and one more thing. Do yourself a favor and check out MACMALL.COM. they some some nice options and pretty competative pricing. They are an authorized re-seller and they will also have you applecare warrenty for you (applecare is a must - gives you 3 years with no worries and I heard from people have it also saved some of the possible repair hassles they would have had for the one or two flukey machines -opps may be starting another 100 posts). But seriously, get your applecare. MACMALL ships either same or next day, the system will be pre-configured, so all you have to do it just load any additional software you have. Pretty much I just took it out of the box, installed my extra software and was up and running in 15 min. Also, go to my blog on my website.

http://web.me.com/shervieux then click on blog and read "Tales of an Apple Switcher". Just one little note - the 2 button mouse thing. I turned on my finger click in my preferances (lay 2 fingers on the trackpad and click) - that is your right click. Or you can do what I did at first and justget a two button mouse. I come to like the two-finger click better.

heisetax

Aug 22, 2008, 12:12 AM

Uh, yeah, sure. My donkey and wagon are just as good as my neighbors BMW. I'm sure your PowerPC is fine for email but it can't render web pages quickly. Watching someone suffer to prove a bad point is one of the best forms of schadenfreude.

:p

With the exception to running Windows on my Mac, I like my 1.67 GHz PPC 17" PowerBook for other Mac work just as well as my dual 1.25 GHz PPC PowerMac & my 1st Gen dual 3GHz Intel Mac Pro. I find that the internet is fast enough on the PPC's. I don't notice a noticeable slowdown. My son still uses his dual PPC G5 PowerMac where using PhotoShop & Aperture is his main programs. He has about 10 FW800 external hard drives hooked to this setup. He is not complaining about speed or the lack of it.

Except for running Window on ones Mac, the PPC Mac has plenty of speed for the many PPC Mac Users that are still proudly out there.

I think that your opinion shows bias & not actual intelligent PPC & Intel usuage.

I'll probably replace my PPC PowerBook, not because it is not doing its job, but because of heavy usuage by other members of the family leaves me without a PowerBook too much of the time. Then there is that Windows thing. I'm the only member of the family that must be able to run Windows on a daily basis.

All of my PPC & Intel Macs run an 802.11n wireless internet, has a TB or more of storage, will run OS 10.4 or 10.5 as needed & any of the internet browsers that I like to use. FireFox 3.0.1 is used the most, but Safari 3 is also used. I plan on purchasing an iPodTouch when the new ones come out. I need to replace a Palm PDA. Music will probably still be handled by my 160 GB iPod Classic.

Just because I like my PPC Macs doesn't mean that I don't like the Intel Macs or vice-versa. An older PPC Mac that someone owns does a better job of running OS 10.4'10.5 than an Intel Mac that someone plans to purchase.

Long live both the PPC MAC & the Intel MAC,

hiimamac

Aug 22, 2008, 12:13 AM

Very true.

So what do you think will happen?

They are talking something they have never done! So?!

None of the Macbooks or Mini's had decent GPU's
The iMac has always been glossy.

My thinking if they want HUGE (someone once told me here, "why do they care if they want all of the large market..." LOL, apparently they do. :D

I'm thinking its too late for the HUGE SCHOOL MARKET (back to school) but for Christmas, imagine a newer macbook, with great GPU, all mac's have GPU, priced reduced, then in November we see the 4 core MBP and 16 core Mac Pro's.

I am also guessing that it would be really easy to offer a TOUCH to someone that wants a TOUCH with internet (3G), just add it and have them sign a month to month service. Of course, they need to figure out the 3G problems as is. Right now the first lawsuit popped up today, Alabama I believe, lawsuit saying it's not twice as fast, 3G doesn't work, and it's not half the price. ...

If 3G can be fixed via firmware great - if not and its an INFINEON problem, then Apple is going to have a real disaster on their hands.

So what does everyone else think it will be?

hiimamac

Aug 22, 2008, 12:24 AM

i dont know what to do...

Well, as a avid listener of many mac PODCASTS, many say, for example, that while the newer MBP's and their PINCH technology are cool, hip, and sexy at first, 90% of the people DO NOT USE these features in the long run.

Either way, it really depends what you are going to do. Right now, a 2.4 MBP can run LOGIC for example with loads of tracks and more than my desktop could just a few years ago, and you can record a full fledged 24+ track recording and audio plug ins, synth's and plug-ins, so, it really depends.

If on the other hand you are RENDERING, and there was for sure coming a 4 CORE MBP, then that would be worth the wait, keeping in mind that it will drain the battery, plus it might be smaller, more like the air.

Still though, all of them, even refurbished $2500 machine six months ago, can be had for $1900 or so and will last you 4+ years. If its any consolation, I have a friend that works full time FOLEY for UNIVERSAL and he JUST bought a Macbook Pro and used a G4 laptop for several years. So it's really in the hands of how you work.

The only thing that concerns me, if I were you, would be the price cuts and perhaps, added NEW GPU on all the systems. So what are you going to do with it.

cameronjpu

Aug 22, 2008, 12:30 AM

I may be a Mac boy, but I think it's funny that when you replace "dell" with "mac," you get more results than with dell....?

No way. You mean that retarded "evidence" that Dell's have a 100% failure rate wasn't accurate?

Shot22

Aug 22, 2008, 12:32 AM

cameronjpu

Aug 22, 2008, 12:48 AM

I can't even count the number of people I know that have bought MacBooks for the upcoming college semester, so this story is quite believable. This raises a big question in my mind: how is the stock of the current-generation notebooks?

Not really any reports of shortages, just suggestions that inventory systems are starting to be updated to report them as out of production. Hopefully they will have enough to last through the introduction of the new line, whenever that is...

twoodcc

Aug 22, 2008, 01:21 AM

well now, that is some serious numbers. let's hope they are right.

yeah, it would be hard to buy a computer now, and it would also be hard to wait. i'm not sure what i would do if i was in the market. probably wait though

hiimamac

Aug 22, 2008, 01:51 AM

1. user in Needham Mass - He had to rebuild

Need I go on? Bad Luck? Personal Opinion? Just google on Dell problems <insert your problem> or google "DELL NY COUMO LAWSUIT"

bETTER YET - HERE IS THE LINK:
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2008/may/may27a_08.html

I like apple and their products and just don't get the whole non dedicated GPU in lower end as it only affects the Pro's which make up about 1% of todays marketshare.

As I speculated on say a TOUCH with 3G, I quickly retorted to APPLE needs to fix the current 3G problems and while I love Apple (but hate the idea of non GPU in lower end models) as well as 3G not being half the price and ATT charging more...since you were speaking of lawsuits, here is one (of many I am sure) that is coming at Apple.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/AheadoftheCurve/story?id=5617800&page=1

3G is horrible everywhere - it is not AT&T, it is the phone as other 3G devices work fine and this problem is world wide. Can you imagine a recall?
:eek::eek::eek::apple::eek::eek:

bgomez15

Aug 22, 2008, 01:52 AM

Well, as a avid listener of many mac PODCASTS, many say, for example, that while the newer MBP's and their PINCH technology are cool, hip, and sexy at first, 90% of the people DO NOT USE these features in the long run.

Either way, it really depends what you are going to do. Right now, a 2.4 MBP can run LOGIC for example with loads of tracks and more than my desktop could just a few years ago, and you can record a full fledged 24+ track recording and audio plug ins, synth's and plug-ins, so, it really depends.

If on the other hand you are RENDERING, and there was for sure coming a 4 CORE MBP, then that would be worth the wait, keeping in mind that it will drain the battery, plus it might be smaller, more like the air.

Still though, all of them, even refurbished $2500 machine six months ago, can be had for $1900 or so and will last you 4+ years. If its any consolation, I have a friend that works full time FOLEY for UNIVERSAL and he JUST bought a Macbook Pro and used a G4 laptop for several years. So it's really in the hands of how you work.

The only thing that concerns me, if I were you, would be the price cuts and perhaps, added NEW GPU on all the systems. So what are you going to do with it.

It's strange that you mention logic and running tracks and rendering... i actually am trying to purchase a laptop for this recording arts school i'll be attending next month.

So if you've seen what your friend has done, then you know what kind of power i'll need. I probably won't be doing anything crazy intense stuff until like later this year. but this is a long term investment so im thinking ahead. i might need this power a year from now. i might decide i want to score a film and use pro tools or soundtrack pro for editing and mixing all the sound design, ADR, Foley, and Music for the film. for something like that i may need 40+ tracks running at the same time...

or even if i dont have that many tracks but i wanna run a bunch of plug-ins, that also could take a lot of power...

Kiyomizu

Aug 22, 2008, 02:33 AM

I'm one of those waiting to purchase a MBP in the next 90 days. I don't even own an iPod and I certainly don't use iTunes but I believe that OSX is a stable OS than Vista or even XP. That's what convinced me to turn to Apple other than that, the kool aid is luke warm at the local Apple stand. ;)

Here's hoping that Apple will go fully HD and add HDMI with optional Blu Ray, then I will be truly convinced that its a prosumer high tech corporation. :apple:

rubberduck007

Aug 22, 2008, 02:51 AM

Hi
Surely lots of people like myself are waiting for new models to be released. Apple will have to revise models soon if they want to catch this quarter.
Phil

Don't call me Shirley. ;)

THX1139

Aug 22, 2008, 03:21 AM

I like the term halo effect for part of this prediction. I feel when people get their hands on their first Apple product, many times an iPod, it does bring them back to look at what else is offered. The success of the iPod contributes a lot to the success of the mac computer I feel.
Good news for Apple and my stocks.

Didn't work for my roommate. She bought an iPod and found her old Dell computer didn't work with iTunes (it was too slow). She decided to buy a new laptop just to run her iPod and manage her music library. I told her she should look at buy an Apple computer and so she stopped by the Apple store to check it out. A few days later she comes home with a brand new laptop... another Dell. I asked her why she didn't get an Apple and she told me it was too expensive. She got a really nice laptop that had all the bells and whistles and it cost her only $600. It also runs iTunes (Windows) just fine. Not everyone can justify the premium price point that Apple charges for their products.

hiimamac

Aug 22, 2008, 03:22 AM

It's strange that you mention logic and running tracks and rendering... i actually am trying to purchase a laptop for this recording arts school i'll be attending next month.

So if you've seen what your friend has done, then you know what kind of power i'll need. I probably won't be doing anything crazy intense stuff until like later this year. but this is a long term investment so im thinking ahead. i might need this power a year from now. i might decide i want to score a film and use pro tools or soundtrack pro for editing and mixing all the sound design, ADR, Foley, and Music for the film. for something like that i may need 40+ tracks running at the same time...

or even if i dont have that many tracks but i wanna run a bunch of plug-ins, that also could take a lot of power...
Basically it comes down to this. Audio=any MacBook Video,especially 3d ska motion= MacBook pro as you need the video card and who knows what the next versions will be. But for audio any mac will do. For rendering, the more cores the better or faster speeds. You can also do well if you go to apple's website and look at the refurbishedacbook pros. Then you are
Ore future proof and at a good deal with 3. Year apps care. Hope this helps.

winterspan

Aug 22, 2008, 04:22 AM

It's all those switchers!

Yep! Although I dabble in some other stuff, I'm now mostly a C#/.NET developer and have been running Windows and Linux PCs since I can remember. I've used Macs in the past in school, but only recently got into Apple's world right before the Intel switch. Having followed the industry for a long time, I've developed a growing aversion to Microsofts products (especially consumer) which has gotten particularly intense as I've watched OSX (and Ubuntu) mature in a wonderful product. Looking around at family, relatives, and friends using PCs, I just can't stand how difficult, inconsistent and tiring it is for average people to use Windows. Literally, it is almost psychotic what is required of people to accomplish such simple tasks as:

- Managing documents (scanning, faxing, OCR'ing, indexing)
- Managing digital photos and home videos (indexing, editing, etc)
- Sending and receiving email w/ attachments correctly
- Managing music and movies (indexing, playing, getting them on your HDTV, etc)

The basic state as Windows comes is worthless. You have to go through dozens of different software programs to find anything decent, and almost everything either has a terrible interface, is completely unreliable, crashes, is expensive, etc. Just to get a basic "workflow" for each of the tasks above is almost impossible for an advanced user, and it certainly won't be user friendly --- and I can only imagine how mind-boggling it would be to a novice user. Having recently gotten into serious development work and studying user interaction and interface design, I can definitely appreciate Apple's interface work on OSX and their iLife and iWork application suites, not to even mention the iPhone. They are really in a league of their own. That is why I now always refer people to Apple to buy a Mac when they ask me about what computer they should purchase, or tell me horror stories of viruses, malware, stolen bank account numbers, email accounts, etc. Being "that guy" in the social/family circle, I'm sure I'm responsible for at least 10X the revenue that I've personally spent on Apple products.

princealfie

Aug 22, 2008, 05:36 AM

Yes, also having bought 2 Asus EEE Pc's during the past few months has been rather helpful to Apple because I'm hoping to get a Mac Netbook soon!

gnasher729

Aug 22, 2008, 05:50 AM

People shouldn't even be supporting their statements with Google search result numbers in the first place. It means absolutely nothing, except X number of pages have a, b, and c words on it.

Get over the Dell vs Mac thing! :mad:

For example, "Dell Harddrive Fail" would find articles with the text "I have been using Dell computers for 25 years and never had a harddrive fail". :rolleyes:

princealfie

Aug 22, 2008, 05:53 AM

For example, "Dell Harddrive Fail" would find articles with the text "I have been using Dell computers for 25 years and never had a harddrive fail". :rolleyes:

I'm actually excited to see Dell's first Netbooks to come onto the market soon!

gnasher729

Aug 22, 2008, 06:03 AM

How much is exactly the sales tax over there? I 've heard your argument before and I believe it's true, but translating the prices in us dollars on apples webpages to euros or pounds makes for at least 30% less than they for in Europe, so I suppose the sales tax is huge. That is if you take your euros make them into dollars and buy a mac over in the States it SEEMS a much better option. But there's sales tax in Europe of course too.

The UK Apple Store displays prices both including 17.5% tax (in big letters) and without tax (in very small letters); businesses are usually interested in the price excluding tax because any business that charges sales tax for its own products can deduct the sales tax for items that it buys.

What people don't understand is that Apple doesn't look at the exchange rate every day and adjusts it prices. I am paid a salary in British pounds. Everything I buy unless I go abroad is paid in British pounds. When the pound goes up or down, my salary doesn't change, and the prices of goods don't change. What _does_ change is the result of stupid comparisons "MacBook costs x dollars in the USA and y dollars in the UK" (and no, you can't pay for a MacBook in US dollars in the UK). Just recently the dollar has gone up a bit, and therefore the UK prices and US prices, excluding tax, are almost identical.

SPUY767

Aug 22, 2008, 08:01 AM

And to think, they did it without Blu-ray, a workstation class MacBook Pro or a mini-tower! :p

I don't think workstation means what you think it means.

137489

Aug 22, 2008, 08:24 AM

Yep! Although I dabble in some other stuff, I'm now mostly a C#/.NET developer and have been running Windows and Linux PCs since I can remember. I've used Macs in the past in school, but only recently got into Apple's world right before the Intel switch. Having followed the industry for a long time, I've developed a growing aversion to Microsofts products (especially consumer) which has gotten particularly intense as I've watched OSX (and Ubuntu) mature in a wonderful product. Looking around at family, relatives, and friends using PCs, I just can't stand how difficult, inconsistent and tiring it is for average people to use Windows. Literally, it is almost psychotic what is required of people to accomplish such simple tasks as:

- Managing documents (scanning, faxing, OCR'ing, indexing)
- Managing digital photos and home videos (indexing, editing, etc)
- Sending and receiving email w/ attachments correctly
- Managing music and movies (indexing, playing, getting them on your HDTV, etc)

The basic state as Windows comes is worthless. You have to go through dozens of different software programs to find anything decent, and almost everything either has a terrible interface, is completely unreliable, crashes, is expensive, etc. Just to get a basic "workflow" for each of the tasks above is almost impossible for an advanced user, and it certainly won't be user friendly --- and I can only imagine how mind-boggling it would be to a novice user. Having recently gotten into serious development work and studying user interaction and interface design, I can definitely appreciate Apple's interface work on OSX and their iLife and iWork application suites, not to even mention the iPhone. They are really in a league of their own. That is why I now always refer people to Apple to buy a Mac when they ask me about what computer they should purchase, or tell me horror stories of viruses, malware, stolen bank account numbers, email accounts, etc. Being "that guy" in the social/family circle, I'm sure I'm responsible for at least 10X the revenue that I've personally spent on Apple products.

Amen, Apple does just make things SOOOO MUCH EASIER. My latest employment has me support MS-SQL and .NET products. The ops people were a little embarrassed to tell people "Sorry, in order to use xxx you must have IE, Firefox can't run that portion due to the MS-Only technology".

But my fear, Apple becomes so popular people write viruses, trojans, malware, etc targetting Apple.

wadejc85

Aug 22, 2008, 09:04 AM

For example, "Dell Harddrive Fail" would find articles with the text "I have been using Dell computers for 25 years and never had a harddrive fail". :rolleyes:

Exactly! I'm very frustrated with people who keep posting off-topic discussion. I'm not saying no one should ever, but I think a standstill has been reached (this sentence strictly for damage control).

The title of this news thread is "Apple's September Quarter Mac Sales Projected to be 'Massive'.". Where in this title (or article) does it bring up Mac v. Dell? It doesn't. So let's get off this tangent, diversion, whatever you want to call it and get back to the discussion of the possibility of new MBs/MBPs.

I for one can't wait to see what comes out! :D

Digitalclips

Aug 22, 2008, 09:30 AM

I call them flip-floppers.

Noooo, that would mean they go back! Once you go mac you never go back ...;)

Digitalclips

Aug 22, 2008, 09:44 AM

cameronjpu

Aug 22, 2008, 09:45 AM

The title of this news thread is "Apple's September Quarter Mac Sales Projected to be 'Massive'.". Where in this title (or article) does it bring up Mac v. Dell? It doesn't. So let's get off this tangent, diversion, whatever you want to call it and get back to the discussion of the possibility of new MBs/MBPs.

That was meant to be ironic, right? God I hope so ;)

wadejc85

Aug 22, 2008, 11:23 AM

That was meant to be ironic, right? God I hope so ;)

I will only say this: :p

;)

IJ Reilly

Aug 22, 2008, 11:24 AM

What people don't understand is that Apple doesn't look at the exchange rate every day and adjusts it prices. I am paid a salary in British pounds. Everything I buy unless I go abroad is paid in British pounds. When the pound goes up or down, my salary doesn't change, and the prices of goods don't change. What _does_ change is the result of stupid comparisons "MacBook costs x dollars in the USA and y dollars in the UK" (and no, you can't pay for a MacBook in US dollars in the UK). Just recently the dollar has gone up a bit, and therefore the UK prices and US prices, excluding tax, are almost identical.

Exactly. Some are imagining that U.S. prices have gone down or that their prices have gone up because of the weakening of the dollar. Neither has occurred. But just as a matter of academic interest, since Apple products are always singled out, I compared the price of the entry-level Dell Inspiron at the U.S. and Netherlands online stores. The U.S. price is $499, in the Netherlands it's €479. Subtracting Netherlands VAT of 19%, the price of the Dell at the current dollar-euro exchange rate is $600. So it turns out many products "cost more" in Europe, not just Apple products.

OS X Dude

Aug 22, 2008, 12:48 PM

Once you go mac you never go back ...;)

Until you find teh linux distroz :)

iSamurai

Aug 22, 2008, 06:03 PM

hehe, I'm one of the "halo-effect" guys out there.
I wanted an iPhone, but I first bought a MacBook. =P

I see apple will make a lot of first-time mac owners angry after their purchases...

Because: some won't know about the tonnes of rumours product rumours;
people could probably go for a return (but involving complicated procedures). But they'll probably be happy again with the iPod Touch and the factor.

scnd

Aug 22, 2008, 07:48 PM

joseph87

Aug 22, 2008, 09:32 PM

But my fear, Apple becomes so popular people write viruses, trojans, malware, etc targetting Apple.

I fear the same as well. Just switched over about 6 months ago. :(

macwall

Aug 23, 2008, 02:53 AM

I fear the same as well. Just switched over about 6 months ago. :(

time to start a mac antivirus software company

Sanchez27

Aug 23, 2008, 12:37 PM

Omg Omg !!! Check Out The Apple Uk Store. All Macbooks Are Saying 2 Business Days To Ship. Yesterday It Was 24 Hours - Release Due Now!!!

TommyLee

Aug 23, 2008, 12:39 PM

Omg Omg !!! Check Out The Apple Uk Store. All Macbooks Are Saying 2 Business Days To Ship. Yesterday It Was 24 Hours - Release Due Now!!! omg, omg! Apple spelled fork wrong!!

niceguyeddie

Aug 23, 2008, 03:07 PM

Omg Omg !!! Check Out The Apple Uk Store. All Macbooks Are Saying 2 Business Days To Ship. Yesterday It Was 24 Hours - Release Due Now!!!

Everything in the UK store says 2 business days. At a guess I would say this is because it is a bank holiday on Monday??

urbanskywalker

Aug 23, 2008, 03:16 PM

1-3 days in the Canada store and no bank holiday on Monday. The change is probably just to factor in the weekend.

bplein

Aug 23, 2008, 07:02 PM

I was forced to order a 15" MBP a few days ago based on time constraints.

I didn't want the iPod touch (although I like it and am going to keep it). I've been waiting all summer for Apple to rev the laptops but I'm required to have a Mac laptop for my major by Sept 1st.

As someone whose major is fairly computer dependent and who needs the computer I get to last for several years, it irks me that they appear to be waiting until immediately after the back-to-school season to put out new laptops.

I have no problem with computers I get becoming outdated, but with this one, I feel cheated because there will be no period where this laptop is even close to the newest or best. I'm paying a premium for something that is already outdated.

I guess this is too late, as you were "forced" to do something you didn't want to do.

Were you without a laptop to start school with? Couldn't you start with an older laptop, and then buy new in September ~if~ the MBP is updated?

Nobody forced you to buy. You bought a product on the open market. And you want to complain about it here. Nobody here, or at Apple, forced you to buy this laptop. Your school imposed this on you, right?

Wake up and look around. Companies of all types tie their incentives to their products in this way. In this case, it's a back-to-school incentive. Essentially the same incentive they had last year, and the year before, etc. Do you expect them to rush their product to market so you could buy the new product before school starts?

Last summer they released the SR chipset MBPs around June. The year before it was the first Intel MBs that were released in the summer. They can't sit around and ask YOU personally what you want released and when so it fits your needs. They release what they want when THEY want it. Sometimes that's not going to work out for the timing of the student.

nishishei

Aug 23, 2008, 08:34 PM

I just can't stand how difficult, inconsistent and tiring it is for average people to use Windows. Literally, it is almost psychotic what is required of people to accomplish such simple tasks as:

- Managing documents (scanning, faxing, OCR'ing, indexing)
- Managing digital photos and home videos (indexing, editing, etc)
- Sending and receiving email w/ attachments correctly
- Managing music and movies (indexing, playing, getting them on your HDTV, etc)
Whatever. With the possible exception of number one, you can do the other three just as easily on Vista as on OSX. In fact, Windows Media Center is far superior to Frontrow.

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 02:22 AM

Whatever. With the possible exception of number one, you can do the other three just as easily on Vista as on OSX. In fact, Windows Media Center is far superior to Frontrow.

agreed. With tv tuners DVR etc apple needs to get in that area with frog row before Its late. Come on Steve.

As for new macs I'm waiting foe the revamp cases. I
Could care less for spec bump but the case is what woring about

yorkshire

Aug 24, 2008, 08:29 AM

The wait is killing me. Come on Apple, give us an absolute killer event with new iPods, notebooks etc..

scoobydoo99

Aug 24, 2008, 06:49 PM

I have no problem with computers I get becoming outdated, but with this one, I feel cheated because there will be no period where this laptop is even close to the newest or best. I'm paying a premium for something that is already outdated.

You didn't pay a premium - first, you got $200 off on the MBP (educational discount). THEN, you got a $299 rebate on the Touch. If you don't want the Touch, sell it on Craigslist and get the cash.

SO, you got about $499 OFF as compensation for purchasing soon-to-be outdated technology. This is standard business practice for many retailers - sell off the old product at a discount before releasing the latest, greatest thing! Trust me, the NEW MBPs (whenever they come) WON'T include a free iPod Touch!

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 06:52 PM

You didn't pay a premium - first, you got $200 off on the MBP (educational discount). THEN, you got a $299 rebate on the Touch. If you don't want the Touch, sell it on Craigslist and get the cash.

SO, you got about $499 OFF as compensation for purchasing soon-to-be outdated technology. This is standard business practice for many retailers - sell off the old product at a discount before releasing the latest, greatest thing! Trust me, the NEW MBPs (whenever they come) WON'T include a free iPod Touch!

Do e-bay more secure. Crags list has to many troubles. plus they need a web designer BAD

Phillyzero

Aug 24, 2008, 08:40 PM

Bring on the new macbooks son!
:p

LifeAfter1am

Aug 24, 2008, 09:29 PM

I have been waiting for the new intel chipset. I have a iMac but I like portability and For my new Photography job, I need to have a laptop with me to show pics to my clients. I want a faster Processor for programs like Maya 7 and Final Cut and Adobe CS3. I want a Laptop as Primary so I Need the update

scnd

Aug 24, 2008, 09:47 PM

I guess this is too late, as you were "forced" to do something you didn't want to do.

Were you without a laptop to start school with? Couldn't you start with an older laptop, and then buy new in September ~if~ the MBP is updated?

Nobody forced you to buy. You bought a product on the open market. And you want to complain about it here. Nobody here, or at Apple, forced you to buy this laptop. Your school imposed this on you, right?

Wake up and look around. Companies of all types tie their incentives to their products in this way. In this case, it's a back-to-school incentive. Essentially the same incentive they had last year, and the year before, etc. Do you expect them to rush their product to market so you could buy the new product before school starts?

Last summer they released the SR chipset MBPs around June. The year before it was the first Intel MBs that were released in the summer. They can't sit around and ask YOU personally what you want released and when so it fits your needs. They release what they want when THEY want it. Sometimes that's not going to work out for the timing of the student.
No, I don't have any other laptop to use. Yes, I am required by this specific department at my school to have a Mac laptop when school starts. I pursued all other options in this regard; I even considered renting something for a month or two, but it wasn't worth it financially.

I don't expect them to conform to my needs, but rather the needs of the students who make up the majority of their laptop sales (from my understanding). Excuse me for expecting them to stay equal if not abreast of their competitors technologically. I thought that was kind of their thing, especially on the pro models.

I'm not complaining, I just wanted to provide a different perspective on Apple's "massive" sales.

marie88

Aug 24, 2008, 11:47 PM

hey all
I have been reading this site for a few months now and can't decide to purchase now or later. I will be a first time mac user (from linux) and want the transition to be smooth.
My concerns are that if I wait for the new Macbook pros -that should be coming out, I will encounter bugs and hardware errors I will regret. How prevelant are these problems with new releases?
There is also the rebate going on- on top of education discounts. I have an ipod now and dont terribly need a new one... the touch is neat though. Then again a new one will be coming out soon. An old is better than none at all, I suppose.
Would they wait two weeks after sept 15th for new releases so people cannot exchange for the new model?
reliable old model or new risky one?
any advice would be great, thanks.

-marie

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 11:48 PM

there wil lalways be small bugs when a product first comes out..... wait a few months if you can for all the bugs tio get out

chrisiw

Aug 25, 2008, 05:25 AM

I just hope that when we get new MacBooks, that Apple have got a bit of common sense, and give us a laptop case, that does not have a sharp edge, other than that MacBooks are just faultless, the best ever;)

OS X Dude

Aug 28, 2008, 03:30 PM

well somethings happening because most of my neighbours are buying macs.

Sort of upsetting really. I was into Apple (age 7) when they were dismissed as "overpriced and underpowered" compared to equivalent windoze PCs (this was in the iMac G3 era, i longed for one at the time). Yes, little software other than Apple's worked on them, yes they were slower than equiv. pcs but they were what got me into computing and technology. They were different.

Now, as I see Apple's quality control decline (iPhone issues, Leopard bugs, looong overdue Mac updates), their prior ethos of "Quality, not quantity" seems to be eroding as they introduce new lines of products to evoke mass appeal but overall quality goes down. They're so desperate to appeal to the masses that the product quality suffers as a result.

Yes I know they're a business, there to make money first and foremost, but I preferred it when they catered to a happy hard core of fans, and their product quality was at it's best, and you most likely didn't know another Mac user. I preferred the G series of processor names too, as every Mac update was usually significant.

Ah well, days gone by :(

kabunaru

Aug 28, 2008, 03:32 PM

Ah well, days gone by :(
Not unless you have an Time Machine and travel back in time to re-live those days again. ;)

Does anybody else see the new MacBooks having dedicated video cards?

OS X Dude

Aug 28, 2008, 03:40 PM

Not unless you have an Time Machine and travel back in time to re-live those days again. ;)

Does anybody else see the new MacBooks having dedicated video cards?

Ah but i couldn't get back to the present, as Time Machine wouldn't run on the G3s ;)

Another thing that gets me is that people don't see you on a Mac and go "wow! i've heard bout them but never seen one, show me how it works!" as people used to and now they're all like "oh yeah, my family all have one". It's stupid really but I guess i dont like something that meant a lot to me at the time hit the mainstream and not be special anymore. A bit like Converse trainers.

As to the vid cards, I doubt it. The X4500 outperformed equivalent nVidia integrated cards I read anyway, and they wouldn't stick anything more than an 7900MGT card in at best if they did give it dedicated graphics.