iPod Nano Case Leaks, iPod Touch to Have GPS? [Archive]

MacRumors

Aug 24, 2008, 08:15 PM

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http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/08/24/200743-for_iPod_nano_4G_Silicon_Skin_Case_400.jpg

More evidence is appearing that supports the taller iPod Nano design with a curved screen. Case designs (seen above) at Alibaba (http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/208758243/for_iPod_nano_4G_Silicon_Skin.html) (via Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/24/supposed-4th-gen-ipod-nano-case-designs-slip-out/)) depict new cases for an iPod Nano 4G. The 4th generation iPod Nano has been rumored to have a taller design with widescreen to allow for video playback. The rumor was first reported (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/07/30/next-generation-ipod-nano-to-be-taller/) in July, with additional claims (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/22/new-ipod-nano-ipod-touch-itunes-8-0-blu-ray-in-10-6/) a few days ago from Kevin Rose.

Meanwhile, iDealsChina (http://www.idealschina.com/Insider/NewsDetail.aspx?ArticleID=28) has posted renderings of the 4th Generation iPod which also match the rumored description:

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/08/24/200750-7_400.jpg

iDealsChina was previously responsible (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/28/more-confirmation-of-3g-iphone-case-design/) for leaked iPhone 3G case moldings that turned out to be accurate.

Separately, and perhaps more interestingly, iDealsChina claims that the next generation iPod Touch will contain GPS (http://www.idealschina.com/Insider/NewsDetail.aspx?ArticleID=29). The iPod Touch is expected to see a revision in the next few weeks.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/24/ipod-nano-case-leaks-ipod-touch-to-have-gps/)

LillieDesigns

Aug 24, 2008, 08:17 PM

I have to see it in person before I bash or love it. Plain and simple.

naroola

Aug 24, 2008, 08:17 PM

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Hmmm...

noaccess

Aug 24, 2008, 08:18 PM

I am sooo getting the new rev. iPod Touch if the GPS rumor turns out to be true. I'll probably get one anyway.

150hp

Aug 24, 2008, 08:19 PM

Come on, GPS iPod Touch: My dream machine...

glassmen07

Aug 24, 2008, 08:19 PM

I don't understand the curved screen

gr8bob

Aug 24, 2008, 08:19 PM

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/08/24/200750-7_400.jpg

iDealsChina was previously responsible (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/28/more-confirmation-of-3g-iphone-case-design/) for leaked iPhone 3G case moldings that turned out to be accurate.
Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/24/ipod-nano-case-leaks-ipod-touch-to-have-gps/)
mini USB port? ;)

eyephone

Aug 24, 2008, 08:21 PM

Well there it is....

I am almost shocked that they went back to a more "candy-bar" style.

After handling a fatty model, I thought it wasn't a bed idea.

11800506

Aug 24, 2008, 08:21 PM

mini USB port? ;)

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.

phantomsd

Aug 24, 2008, 08:21 PM

I don't get the GPS on the touch... What's the point if you can't use it while ur out?

kwjohns

Aug 24, 2008, 08:21 PM

Zwhaler

Aug 24, 2008, 08:22 PM

GPS on iPod Touch, now that's cool! I already have it on my phone, but man that will sure help spur sales. Hopefully it will be much much cheaper though.

Henriok

Aug 24, 2008, 08:23 PM

I like the color..

t0mat0

Aug 24, 2008, 08:23 PM

Well i'll be. mini uSB. Any word on when USB 3 might be out?
No normal dock connector though? And what's with the other holes for the bottom of the case?

Curved design it seems of the green case at least. Looks like a rendering though, which inclines more towards fake. The other picture doesn't seem to show anything. Can't see why Apple would move away from the dock connector.

TheSlush

Aug 24, 2008, 08:24 PM

They need to sling a GPS chip into the Nano, since it's the iPod that corresponds to the Nike+iPod running partnership!

Beric

Aug 24, 2008, 08:24 PM

old-wiz

Aug 24, 2008, 08:24 PM

And if you look at the image, it appears that there is a wheel (volume control?) sticking out - that would break off soo fast! No way.

duncyboy

Aug 24, 2008, 08:25 PM

If this design is genuine for the next-gen Nano then maybe there'll be a Nano dock to go with it. Like the Shuffle has?

And on a side note although GPS would be outstanding for the Touch, the price point and any storage changes/bumps are top of my agenda.

richard.mac

Aug 24, 2008, 08:26 PM

why do all the proposed Nano cases look like theyre computer animated? what about an actual picture of the case like the iPhone 3G leak… then ill believe it :rolleyes:.

daveman235

Aug 24, 2008, 08:27 PM

GPS on an iPod Touch would be almost pointless at it's current stage considering you need internet/edge/3g coming in to download the Google maps data.

This would have to be some sort of admittance that either Apple is going to let TomTom/Telenav come out with their own apps or Apple is going to release their own.

Dude you don't need internet/edge/or 3g for GPS. Do you have a GPS in the car? Is it hooked up to the internet ? NO! They dont need to be.

This would be amazing! Im so glad for waiting till the next gen ipod touch. It makes sense that they would bring it to the ipod touch. Theres going to be so many location based apps on the store soon. Bringing it to the ipod makes it a bigger market and more money for apple in the long run..... ROCK!

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 08:27 PM

I have to see it in person before I bash or love it. Plain and simple.

Agree. EVERYONE should but they rather be immature., I hate bashers a well as fanboys.... and I mean "fanboys" not "fanboys"

ivan123

Aug 24, 2008, 08:29 PM

And if you look at the image, it appears that there is a wheel (volume control?) sticking out - that would break off soo fast! No way.

i think thats one of those things that you put a string through and hold it around your neck

ezekielrage_99

Aug 24, 2008, 08:30 PM

OMG it's on the net therefore it must be true :cool:

With that said it seems fairly reasonable that a bump (or update) is coming soon and depending of the update, price, etc I might get one.

But what I am really hoping for is a new metal Macbook ;)

Beric

Aug 24, 2008, 08:31 PM

GPS on an iPod Touch would be almost pointless at it's current stage considering you need internet/edge/3g coming in to download the Google maps data.

Real GPS needs no internet or phone connection of any kind. The maps are preloaded onto the device (or can be downloaded, so they're always there), and need contact only with the GPS satellites, not anything else. Only more recently has there been this sort of "half-GPS" which consists of a combination of fewer GPS satellites and cell phone towers.

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 08:31 PM

And if you look at the image, it appears that there is a wheel (volume control?) sticking out - that would break off soo fast! No way.

wqhos to say its a new feature or a crappy mockup? dont be so fast there ..

why do all the proposed Nano cases look like theyre computer animated? what about an actual picture of the case like the iPhone 3G leak… then ill believe it :rolleyes:.

maybe because thats how all designs go through in the second stage? First is pen and paper then is CGI. They cant just magicly create something l;ike that. it takes design and thought.

I don't get the GPS on the touch... What's the point if you can't use it while ur out?

thats the point. You use it while your out :rolleyes:

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.

whos to say they arnt going towards a diferent connector this time around? You people NEED to stop living in the past and look towards the feature.

Warbrain

Aug 24, 2008, 08:32 PM

Mini USB? Ha, no, Apple's not giving up that dock connector.

LloydBraun89

Aug 24, 2008, 08:32 PM

Dude you don't need internet/edge/or 3g for GPS. Do you have a GPS in the car? Is it hooked up to the internet ? NO! They dont need to be.

This would be amazing! Im so glad for waiting till the next gen ipod touch. It makes sense that they would bring it to the ipod touch. Theres going to be so many location based apps on the store soon. Bringing it to the ipod makes it a bigger market and more money for apple in the long run..... ROCK!

yeah thats because they have maps preloaded. the ipod needs internet to access google maps.

Ratboy

Aug 24, 2008, 08:33 PM

I don't see Apple moving to Mini USB for two reasons:

1) All of the current accessories that connect to the port would be useless. On top of that, manufactures would need to produce two versions of every accessory—one for the iPod Classic, iPhone, iPod Touch and another for the Nano.

2) Apple makes money by licensing the port design for it's "Made for iPod" program. By using Mini USB, Apple would also lose a measure of control over who produced what for the iPod.

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 08:34 PM

Mini USB? Ha, no, Apple's not giving up that dock connector.

People said that they will never have windows installed on macs. now look....

this may be true, there may be a new connector in the works.

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 08:34 PM

I don't see Apple moving to Mini USB for two reasons: 1) All of the current accessories that connect to the port would be useless, and 2) Apple makes money by licensing the port design for it's Made of iPod program.

dont forget a converter

iVoid

Aug 24, 2008, 08:35 PM

whos to say they arnt going towards a diferent connector this time around? You people NEED to stop living in the past and look towards the feature.

Problem is, you lose the dock connector and you loose many third party accessories (and the royalties that Apple charges third parties to make them). I don't see apple doing that when there's still room for a dock connector.

richard.mac

Aug 24, 2008, 08:38 PM

… maybe because thats how all designs go through in the second stage? First is pen and paper then is CGI. They cant just magicly create something l;ike that. it takes design and thought. …

ok thanks but im still not going to believe it until i see a real life photo or its released as too much stuff can be faked these days. hardcore Apple fans just sitting at their computer using similar software that the Apple design engineers use just making mockups.

i believed the case iPhone 3G leak as it was a real photo and looked like a genuine Apple design.

Beric

Aug 24, 2008, 08:38 PM

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 08:38 PM

well the case leaks could also be early phototypes. never know... I'm the person who thinks outside the box and all the reasons why its the way it is before i bash something

rlmccormick

Aug 24, 2008, 08:38 PM

That green model looks rediculous. Anyone with any skill in a CAD package like Solidworks could draw that up in 20 minutes. I wouldn't look into it too much.

halhiker

Aug 24, 2008, 08:38 PM

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 08:40 PM

Wow, with all of these reports of a longer, widescreen iPod Nano, there's got to be something to the story, even if these particular images are fake.

Either that, or Apple is yet again releasing fake images to the public to fool people. :D

The way I see it if there are a lot of stories of this new nano roaming around on the net then it must be true.... more storys = better chance its true.... same went with the "fat" nano last year.,,,,,

Beric

Aug 24, 2008, 08:40 PM

GPS on the iPhone would be awesome with an on board map application.

Hopefully, someone will make an app available with topographical maps so we wilderness lovers can use it for backcountry navigation.

Yup, I was just out on a 13-mile bike ride in the middle of nowhere, around a lake and up steep hills. I got lost, and wished I had had GPS. However, I'm not willing to carry two devices. I want everything all in one.

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 08:41 PM

That green model looks rediculous. Anyone with any skill in a CAD package like Solidworks could draw that up in 20 minutes. I wouldn't look into it too much.

its the case not the real ipod :rolleyes:

Soreo

Aug 24, 2008, 08:42 PM

If the iPod nano case is for real, then it doesn't look that bad. I don't mind it.

touch GPS? Heck yes.
But I already have a 3G. But this would still be convenient for iPod touch owners in general.

~NeonFire372~

Aug 24, 2008, 08:42 PM

Please oh please Touch GPS...

And make that pre-loaded maps that require no internet connection.

And add volume buttons, a camera, and external speakers as well. Touch owners want what the iPhone has, just without the phone and $2000 phone contract.GPS + pre-loaded maps + turn-by-turn directions = me sold on the iPod Touch, even if they increased the price.

nickel123

Aug 24, 2008, 08:43 PM

these cases look llike the cheap mp4 ipod knock offs that come from cheap chinese companys would use, all of the mp4 "ipod" have mini usb. either way I DO BELIEVE IT IS REAL!!!

Kilamite

Aug 24, 2008, 08:44 PM

whos to say they arnt going towards a diferent connector this time around? You people NEED to stop living in the past and look towards the feature.

And make all current iPod products obsolete? Don't think so. Having a mini USB connector would make the iPod Docks very unstable.

These are probably rip off iPod's being made in China. Hence why it is mini USB instead of a normal iPod connector.

Beric

Aug 24, 2008, 08:45 PM

GPS + pre-loaded maps + turn-by-turn directions = me sold on the iPod Touch, even if they increased the price.

Same here. I'm willing to spend half a grand for everything in one (and good memory storage).

Rocketman

Aug 24, 2008, 08:46 PM

Let's make a couple of assumptions. The general form factor is about right. That gives you an HD format screen in landscape mode and probably touch capability.

iPod Touch software.

The universal dock is replaced by mini-USB for reasons not yet disclosed possibly including more human interactions on the device ends. Device includes a conversion dongle for backward compatibility with the "dock ecosystem".

Maybe USB3?

Sometimes these rumors are true and make no sense precisely because Apple is secretive. Wasn't USB3 pretty much settled recently?

Rocketman

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 08:48 PM

And make all current iPod products obsolete? Don't think so. Having a mini USB connector would make the iPod Docks very unstable.

These are probably rip off iPod's being made in China. Hence why it is mini USB instead of a normal iPod connector.

Ever heard of a converter? guess not. See bellow...

Let's make a couple of assumptions. The general form factor is about right. That gives you an HD format screen in landscape mode and probably touch capability.

iPod Touch software.

The universal dock is replaced by mini-USB for reasons not yet disclosed possibly including more human interactions on the device ends. Device includes a conversion dongle for backward compatibility with the "dock ecosystem".

Maybe USB3?

Sometimes these rumors are true and make no sense precisely because Apple is secretive. Wasn't USB3 pretty much settled recently?

Rocketman

Well said. Glad someone here is looking in to the feature

Lesser Evets

Aug 24, 2008, 08:49 PM

I love how these easy to fake, quick, cheesy 3D mfg mockups are released JUST after that photo. Never before. I suspect the fakir band wagon rolling around again.

Could be real.

Doubtful, but a possibility.
(Note the 3D case design has a (nearly) flush top (canadian co) and the manufactured item has an indented crown area... what's up there?)

GradientMac

Aug 24, 2008, 08:57 PM

Guys, the "Turn iPod for video" design is a terrible idea! First of all, all the buttons move positions so you have to get used to the menu button being on the left of the clickwheel rather than the top... then, outside of that all the labels turn sideways, so it looks dumb as well as being a bad usability decision. Not to mention a left handed person would have to have the video upside down, so they would have to make a sort of 'left handed' setting or make them get used to an awkward control design for their hands.

It's just a bad idea, and I damn well hope Apple doesn't do this, a curved click wheel, a glaring, curved screen, mini USB... so much of it just screams fake it's not even funny....

Jonathan Ive isn't stupid.

MattInOz

Aug 24, 2008, 08:59 PM

I think the rendering in of the knock off some company is planing on building, based of the rumor images. they are getting themselves ready so they can get to the grey market as soon as possible after the real update, hence the mini USB.

That said has anyone considered that this shape might be an update to the Classic not the nano. with the classic moving to Flash as well but with room for say a 4chip flash set up.

It would then fit with the comments about product transition in the conf. call cutting margins for the classic, it would cut them to the bone. Still it's just a s thought and there would need to be something else tied to it feature wise to really position it in a market.

madmaxmedia

Aug 24, 2008, 09:02 PM

Adding GPS is a very interesting touch. (no pun intended really!)

Standalone GPS units are very popular now. Giving the iPod Touch that capability does not add much cost, since the GPS chip is probably not expensive (considering how much they're buying for the iPhone 3G), and the Touch already has great hardware for running these sort of apps...

kwjohns

Aug 24, 2008, 09:03 PM

Dude you don't need internet/edge/or 3g for GPS. Do you have a GPS in the car? Is it hooked up to the internet ? NO! They dont need to be.

Real GPS needs no internet or phone connection of any kind. The maps are preloaded onto the device (or can be downloaded, so they're always there), and need contact only with the GPS satellites, not anything else. Only more recently has there been this sort of "half-GPS" which consists of a combination of fewer GPS satellites and cell phone towers.

How about you both learn to read? I never said GPS required data. I said it would be pointless at this current stage because there isn't an app with pre-loaded maps available and it hasn't been clarified whether Apple will allow TomTom or Telenav to release their apps due to the fine print in the SDK. Data is required for Google maps. :rolleyes:

queshy

Aug 24, 2008, 09:06 PM

Wow, this is getting interesting now! Remember the iPod nano cases that turned out to be real...

duncyboy

Aug 24, 2008, 09:08 PM

As I said earlier- the new Nano could have a whole individual dock, like the Shuffle does.

And for all those saying a new Nano would scupper a whole generation of 3rd party products: so did the last Nano.

I'm not saying it's gospel, but it's also a possibility that by introducing a separate dock for the Nano Apple will put it into bed with the Shuffle.

But then, what do I know? Whayya gunna do?*

*Sorry for the last sentence- I've been re-watching The Sopranos all week :D

retroneo

Aug 24, 2008, 09:10 PM

GPS on an iPod Touch would be almost pointless at it's current stage considering you need internet/edge/3g coming in to download the Google maps data.

Not just that, without the internet it will take ages to get a fix. Downloading the almanac data at 50 bps from the satellite takes forever.

It could do it in the background, but it might kill battery life.

mr.light

Aug 24, 2008, 09:13 PM

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.

I have to agree with you on that one.

bdkennedy1

Aug 24, 2008, 09:15 PM

I don't understand either.

It's possible that the actual screen is flat and the glass is curved for decoration.

If the screen is actually curved then it wouldn't make any sense at all.

I don't understand the curved screen

Beric

Aug 24, 2008, 09:16 PM

Is there anything that says Apple has to use Google maps for GPS? Why can't they use some other company? We just want some fairly simple (no satellite view maps needed) GPS that gets the job done. Something like what you might find on a Garmin handheld device. And there's plenty of room to preload the maps on the Touch.

.Andy

Aug 24, 2008, 09:17 PM

I said it would be pointless at this current stage because there isn't an app with pre-loaded maps available
You're basing your argument against something that doesn't exist yet (a GPS enabled iPod touch) on something that doesn't exist yet (downloadable maps for it)? Why wouldn't we see maps available alongside a new GPS touch on the App store? Apple gets a cut of map revenue, Tom Tom etc makes money selling maps. Everyone wins.

Not just that, without the internet it will take ages to get a fix. Downloading the almanac data at 50 bps from the satellite takes forever.
As has been pointed out it doesn't take ages to get a fix with a conventional GPS. An in car one does just fine without an internet connection. Why wouldn't you be able to upload your maps via sync with iTunes (like any other media) before you left home?

And make all current iPod products obsolete? Don't think so.
Over all the years of iPods the last thing apple has been interested in is providing backwards capatability for third party devices. Take FM transmitters for example? Ever had one that works with a new iteration of iPods? I think I've got four different ones collecting dust in my drawers.

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.
I have to agree with you on that one.
Then you'd both be wrong because one ships without it already.

brendanryder

Aug 24, 2008, 09:19 PM

gcmexico

Aug 24, 2008, 09:21 PM

not too bad I bet they will look sweet

Beric

Aug 24, 2008, 09:21 PM

why would you want to have GPS on your ipod?
seriously, think about it.

you would need a wifi connection at all times unless you could fit all the data on your touch, so you would basically need a 32gb touch.

it seems pointless to me, or am i missing something?(Please, enlighten me.)

At the most, preloaded maps would take 1 GB of storage (depending on the quality, of course). And having preloaded GPS maps would be SO worth it...

Pyrotechnist

Aug 24, 2008, 09:26 PM

umm my good forum chat mate.......I think its an iPhone Nano.:o

brendanryder

Aug 24, 2008, 09:28 PM

At the most, preloaded maps would take 1 GB of storage (depending on the quality, of course). And having preloaded GPS maps would be SO worth it...

Really? i thought it would take up WAY more than that. well im all aboard for preloaded maps then :D

215512

Aug 24, 2008, 09:28 PM

The case looks like it would fit something like THIS (http://www.chinagrabber.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1121)

twoodcc

Aug 24, 2008, 09:30 PM

well, i'm still not sure about this new nano. i'll judge when i see it in person.

i sure hope that the new ipod touch has GPS though

ezekielrage_99

Aug 24, 2008, 09:30 PM

umm my good forum chat mate.......I think its an iPhone Nano.:o

Could be, remember the prediction a few months back?

jholzner

Aug 24, 2008, 09:33 PM

You're basing your argument against something that doesn't exist yet (a GPS enabled iPod touch) on something that doesn't exist yet (downloadable maps for it)? Why wouldn't we see maps available alongside a new GPS touch on the App store? Apple gets a cut of map revenue, Tom Tom etc makes money selling maps. Everyone wins.

As has been pointed out it doesn't take ages to get a fix with a conventional GPS. An in car one does just fine without an internet connection. Why wouldn't you be able to upload your maps via sync with iTunes (like any other media) before you left home?

Over all the years of iPods the last thing apple has been interested in is providing backwards capatability for third party devices. Take FM transmitters for example? Ever had one that works with a new iteration of iPods? I think I've got four different ones collecting dust in my drawers.

Then you'd both be wrong because one ships without it already.

Maybe if you read what they wrote you would know they said dock connecter and not dock. All iPods and iPhones except the shuffle have them and have for some time.

jbstingray

Aug 24, 2008, 09:36 PM

The case looks like it would fit something like THIS (http://www.chinagrabber.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1121)

You couldn't be more right - it even has the little spot for the hook on the bottom of the knockoff in the case (in between the mini-USB and headphones). I think we can safely say that this case is completely fake.

-jb

macaron1

Aug 24, 2008, 09:38 PM

What's up with that circle on top of the screen?

http://www.idealschina.com/UserFiles/Image/2(1).jpg

acfusion29

Aug 24, 2008, 09:41 PM

why would you want to have GPS on your ipod?
seriously, think about it.

you would need a wifi connection at all times unless you could fit all the data on your touch, so you would basically need a 32gb touch.

it seems pointless to me, or am i missing something?(Please, enlighten me.)

Have you ever seen a NORMAL GPS before? You know... one that actually connects to satellites and finds your EXACT location? (Not aGPS like the iPhone)

Holy people... You don't need wifi/3G/edge for a GPS to work...

billystlyes

Aug 24, 2008, 09:42 PM

I can't believe anyone cares about the nano anymore. I could care less.

GregA

Aug 24, 2008, 09:43 PM

These cases don't look like they'd fit Kevin Rose's rumour. They're similar, but the cases would cover part of Kevin's screen. So something's wrong.

I'm leaning towards this being an iPod clone attempt.

ps. GPS in the iPod Touch would be good but who knows what's coming. I think it has to undergo a substantial change so I'm very interested in seeing wehre it goes. GPS? Bluetooth (to connect to internet via my phone?)? Bigger? Smaller

na1577

Aug 24, 2008, 09:47 PM

What's up with that circle on top of the screen

That is the ambient light sensor, I believe. If you look at the current touch at the right angle, you can see it.

If that touch rendering turns out to be real, I'll be disappointed. No speakers (not really surprising), no volume controls!?

Edit: Ah, I misunderstood. That is just a rendering of the original touch.

I can't believe anyone cares about the nano anymore. I could care less.

It's a nice break from the numerous iPhone news stories.

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 09:47 PM

What's up with that circle on top of the screen?

http://www.idealschina.com/UserFiles/Image/2(1).jpg

Its the ambient sensor

guys what if the nano included its own dock? like the guy said with the shuffle....

MacTheSpoon

Aug 24, 2008, 09:47 PM

If that's the real redesign for the nano, no complaints here, I bet it'll look great.

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 09:49 PM

If that's the real redesign for the nano, no complaints here, I bet it'll look great.

the current nano isnt that bad eirther. You guys wanted video so you got it

people dont like change. Well guess wha people: Change is part of life and technology changes..... wont stay the same forever!

iVoid

Aug 24, 2008, 09:55 PM

guys what if the nano included its own dock? like the guy said with the shuffle....

The problem is the dock connector has more signals going through it than just the usb signals.

There's audio and video connections, plus other things for add on devices. You loose the dock connector, you loose funtionality for external add ons. Some may be able to work with just usb, but not all.

And Apple loves the MONEY that their dock connector royalties brings in.

Now maybe the nano will be very stripped down compared to the current nano with very simple functions and no addons so usb only would be okay (whcih would probably make it a replacement for the shuffle), but I doubt it.

Full of Win

Aug 24, 2008, 09:59 PM

The green one looks like SciFi from GI Joe

http://www.bigislandtoys.com/images/18592.jpg

!¡ V ¡!

Aug 24, 2008, 10:00 PM

Simple the iPod Nano is going to start cutting into the iPod Shuffle territory. If you look at the new Nano it is resembling the Shuffle except with a screen. The Shuffle is on its way out eventually, since the Nano has to adopt some price point. Since Apple has already recouped the R&D costs for the Shuffle and Nano, there is no point even developing the Shuffle since it will be rendered useless any smaller then it is, making it thinner makes no sense either since its pretty thin as it is and would not add to a selling feature.

The Nano on the other hand will be rugged enough with a curved screen, thin and light enough with ample of storage. Hopefully a 4, 8, 16GB versions.

The new Nano will end the production cost and marketing for the Shuffle. The iPod Classic might be on its last legs for another generation or two.

Bye, bye Shuffle.

brendanryder

Aug 24, 2008, 10:02 PM

!¡ V ¡!

Aug 24, 2008, 10:06 PM

The problem is the dock connector has more signals going through it than just the usb signals.

There's audio and video connections, plus other things for add on devices. You loose the dock connector, you loose funtionality for external add ons. Some may be able to work with just usb, but not all.

And Apple loves the MONEY that their dock connector royalties brings in.

Now maybe the nano will be very stripped down compared to the current nano with very simple functions and no addons so usb only would be okay (whcih would probably make it a replacement for the shuffle), but I doubt it.

The Shuffle dock handles the audio, data and electricity to charge it. What makes you think the same cannot be used for the new Nano. Why bother developing the Shuffle, Nano and Classic when its clear Apple is obtaining more revenue from the Touch and iPhone with its online AppStore.

The previous gen iPods cannot utilize the AppStore, its ancient in mobile technology, Apple is just updating it so they can discontinue the Shuffle. With a curved screen design it makes the unit more durable since the forces acting on it are diverted and spread in every direction.

Shuffle is dead, Nano and Classic will be the only 2 lines holding the previous generation concept. Classic might die soon or in the very near future, no point of support 250GB of music when durability and cost cutting is key. Flash is where its heading. :)

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 10:09 PM

I see the classic being around to at least 2011 with a 10 year anniversary ipod before being discountuned in 2012.

lpj8

Aug 24, 2008, 10:10 PM

Yeah, if the GPS turns out to be true GPS with map downloads, I'll be all over it.

An external speaker and volume control would really seal the deal.

Aranince

Aug 24, 2008, 10:11 PM

Personally...I like the fatty better.

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 10:11 PM

An external speaker and volume control would really seal the deal.

thats one of the only things I hope for in the next ipod touch. Stainless steal or even chrome buttons will do. but please no plastic...

adampol15

Aug 24, 2008, 10:12 PM

I love how EVERYONE bashes Apple Products when they are on the rumor belt and then when they roll around they preach about how great they are. I found some posts from BEFORE the ORIGINAL iPod came out saying: "Apple would never release such a STUPID product! It'll never sell." Would you like to explain how badly the product did since some of you act like your word is the almighty.

Get a bit of an open mind and trust Apple. They are yet to fail on us.

-Adam

!¡ V ¡!

Aug 24, 2008, 10:12 PM

the current nano isnt that bad eirther. You guys wanted video so you got it

people dont like change. Well guess wha people: Change is part of life and technology changes..... wont stay the same forever!

I am sure some people appreciate the present Nano, however I always felt something was off about it. I don't mind that its stubby, it just seems that the proportions are off. If you look at the Classic it is also stubby however since its elongated it is proportionate. With the present Nano its a different situation.

The rumoured Nano's seem more of a Shuffle with a screen added on, which leads me to believe that the Shuffle is EOL and the Classic will only have another run before it too will be EOL. The Nano was claimed by Jobs and Co to be what was envisioned for the original iPod however due to technology restrictions they could not develop it until the initial Nano release. Well you will only see the rumoured Nano and the Touch in the future. The Nano screen is too small for touch capabilities so it will more than likely be in limbo with software updates. :)

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 10:16 PM

deannnnn

Aug 24, 2008, 10:17 PM

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.

Exactly what I was thinking.

I believe that Apple will release an iPod like this though... I mean... after all these rumors?! But it DEFINITELY will have the standard dock connector. It looks like the Chinese are already working on a 4th generation iPod nano knockoff...

bankshot

Aug 24, 2008, 10:21 PM

GPS + pre-loaded maps + turn-by-turn directions = me sold on the iPod Touch, even if they increased the price.

Yep. Well, as long as the high end is 64 GB so I can fit all of my music + map data + apps etc. That and a physical play/pause button like the classic iPods so I don't have to take my eyes off the road to pause. :eek:

I've never really had an interest in those car GPS units, but I assume they do turn-by-turn by connecting to the car stereo and audibly speaking "turn right/left" etc, correct? It just makes too much sense for the iPod touch to be playing your music through the stereo anyway, and anytime a turn is coming up, it briefly interrupts the music to give directions.

Like I said, I never felt a real need for that, but I can imagine that once you get used to it, you can't imagine ever going somewhere without it. Kind of like when you first got caller-id on your home phone, or when you got a DVR to change how you watch TV. This would be something that would definitely put me over the edge to buy one.

Come on, Apple, it just makes too much sense! :rolleyes:

!¡ V ¡!

Aug 24, 2008, 10:24 PM

Come on, Apple, it just makes too much sense! :rolleyes:

ROTFLMAO, if it makes sense to you it might not make sense to Apple, then again there is a 50/50 chance. ;)

If it will have GPS then chances are it will have an external mono speaker, with stereo headphones. This might be what I am looking for with an add-on mic solution I can have mobile VOIP. :D FINALLY!!!

sprice25

Aug 24, 2008, 10:25 PM

I favor these mockups/photos over the current generation nanos. This looks like what should have been released instead of the current generation.

gcmexico

Aug 24, 2008, 10:26 PM

Exactly what I was thinking.

I believe that Apple will release an iPod like this though... I mean... after all these rumors?! But it DEFINITELY will have the standard dock connector. It looks like the Chinese are already working on a 4th generation iPod nano knockoff...
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who knows what the dock connector could look like..maybe they are changing the design of that too:D

Hmm

Aug 24, 2008, 10:26 PM

Maybe I'm missing something about all these widescreen nano designs. From what I can see, they're larger in one dimension than the 3G but smaller in the other. Meaning that most of the content I would put on it, which is still in 4:3, would end up looking smaller on the new nano than on the old one. Now I understand that widescreen is the future and all, but do all of you have everything in widescreen on your iPods? I just figured that the current 3G design fit all the users like me who would be using it for more traditional 4:3 content and the Touch was widescreen for movies.

ArcaneDevice

Aug 24, 2008, 10:26 PM

I need a new iPod but if they have GPS on a Touch it had better have an off switch. I don't want a potentially useless addition draining the battery life.

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 10:32 PM

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.

actually it would be a good idea if they did, i hate losing those damn chords and having to pay a arm and a leg for a special one when you god like 3 differnt mini usb chords for different products, it would be a lot cheaper

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 10:35 PM

Mini USB? Ha, no, Apple's not giving up that dock connector.

and your basis on this is...

GregA

Aug 24, 2008, 10:36 PM

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who knows what the dock connector could look like..maybe they are changing the design of that too:D

I think if they were redesigning the dock connector, they wouldn't have broken compatibility on the iPhone 3G dock connector with 12volt chargers (requiring them to re-engineer) only to release a completely new connector design just 3 months later.

That said, who knows what they're going to do. These new designs seem too much like they miss something... like a typical Apple knock off that doesn't quite get it.

Muncher

Aug 24, 2008, 10:37 PM

Now maybe the nano will be very stripped down compared to the current nano with very simple functions and no addons so usb only would be okay (whcih would probably make it a replacement for the shuffle), but I doubt it.

Maybe... we're all wrong. Let's look at the facts:

1. Dock connectors are generally on the bottom of ipods.
2. These "case leaks" don't have room for connectors.
3. No connectors = no add-ons.

And Apple loves the MONEY that their dock connector royalties brings in.

But wait! Why would apple downgrade and lose money? They wouldn't. So then this may not be the ipod nano.

Could it be the shuffle? Once again, we turn to what we think we know:

1. Kevin Rose, who has an okay track record, has spoken of aggressive price cuts on ipods.
2. These price cuts will distance the ipods from the iphone.
3. Apple likes to keep their products at about $50 increments, with the low end shuffle as an exception.
4. Apple likes to keep their different models at least one increment apart, classic excepted.

So what does this all mean? Perhaps the ipod nano and shuffle are being merged into one product? I don't know. What I do know is that price cuts with an already fairly tight line-up may mean the line-up will have to be trimmed a bit.

Just some food for thought.

-Muncher :rolleyes:

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 10:42 PM

What's up with that circle on top of the screen?

http://www.idealschina.com/UserFiles/Image/2(1).jpg

it's a sensor

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 10:43 PM

entropys

Aug 24, 2008, 10:46 PM

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 10:48 PM

it's a sensor

its already been explained above kid,.
i seriously doubt they'd get rid of the shuffle, they're like everywhere

really? I see more nanos then shuffles...

macshill

Aug 24, 2008, 10:49 PM

ROTFLMAO, if it makes sense to you it might not make sense to Apple, then again there is a 50/50 chance. ;)

If it will have GPS then chances are it will have an external mono speaker, with stereo headphones. This might be what I am looking for with an add-on mic solution I can have mobile VOIP. :D FINALLY!!!

*smacks your hands* How dare you take away profit from their iPhone and their partner in crime, AT&T, w/ such a ludicrously logical suggestion??!! :p :apple:

You use get-Vonage-by-iPod, you essentially send Apple/AT&T to the poorhouse through their clouded judgement eyes. ;) They're all about profit, baby! Innovation, but not at the cost of profit. That's the hierarchy according to Apple.

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 10:50 PM

The Shuffle dock handles the audio, data and electricity to charge it. What makes you think the same cannot be used for the new Nano. Why bother developing the Shuffle, Nano and Classic when its clear Apple is obtaining more revenue from the Touch and iPhone with its online AppStore.

The previous gen iPods cannot utilize the AppStore, its ancient in mobile technology, Apple is just updating it so they can discontinue the Shuffle. With a curved screen design it makes the unit more durable since the forces acting on it are diverted and spread in every direction.

Shuffle is dead, Nano and Classic will be the only 2 lines holding the previous generation concept. Classic might die soon or in the very near future, no point of support 250GB of music when durability and cost cutting is key. Flash is where its heading. :)

just because the imac brings in more money, we dont kill the mac mini, the touch dosent even come close to the classic when it comes to disk space, and flash is expensive,the touch shouldnt even be considered a mp3 player, but a portible internet browser, just because the itouch brings in the most money, it dosent mean the company can survive without the added money from other ipod sales, some people dont want a touch. apples main revinue is the ipod,i dont think they'll be getting rid of any of the ipod lines, because combined they all bring it too much money

Marlor

Aug 24, 2008, 10:51 PM

A curved screen makes no sense. It would mean that you get glare from just about every possible angle.

That's not to say it won't happen... but if it does, I'll keep my iPod mini for another generation and see what happens next time around.

cleanup

Aug 24, 2008, 10:52 PM

Hmm, I'm not sure if I like the whole curved screen idea. I'll have to see it pass judgment though. I've been waiting for higher-capacity nanos for a while.. . didn't like the third gen., so I stuck with 2nd. But if I don't like the new nano I might just have to go touch! Which will be odd.

I wish they would make some sort of iPod nano touch (errr, something like that), essentially a smaller version of the touch. I think the interface is great, but ever since my third gen iPod I never liked the larger footprints.

[Edit] Not sure if it's been mentioned, but the same seller on Alibaba has a 2G iPod Touch case for sale. The photo just shows the front, though; ie. a big gaping hole for the screen. So I guess the iPod touch will pretty much stay the same aesthetically. Physical size/proportions won't change, and with good reason.

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 10:52 PM

its already been explained above kid,.

really? I see more nanos then shuffles...

the shuffle is for the budget buyer, i can afford a shuffle. just cause the imac sales the most dosent mean they're killing the mini, some people just dont have that type of money

annd, im sorry i didnt join the forum as soon as everybody else, and dont call me kid.

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 10:54 PM

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 11:01 PM

the shuffle is for the budget buyer, i can afford a shuffle. just cause the imac sales the most dosent mean they're killing the mini, some people just dont have that type of money

annd, im sorry i didnt join the forum as soon as everybody else, and dont call me kid.

Really? I see some iRivers and sonly walkmens for bellow $100. imo those are the better buy as they have the same amount of storage but with a screen. Sure they are a bit bigger and thicker, but in the end its a better buy

Aznsensation45

Aug 24, 2008, 11:01 PM

maybe kevin rose was right all along...:rolleyes:

MattInOz

Aug 24, 2008, 11:02 PM

the shuffle is for the budget buyer, i can afford a shuffle. just cause the imac sales the most dosent mean they're killing the mini, some people just dont have that type of money

annd, im sorry i didnt join the forum as soon as everybody else, and dont call me kid.

The shuffle is also for people who want music in places that they don't want to take there laptop, phone or iPod.

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 11:03 PM

Really? I see some iRivers and sonly walkmens for bellow $100. imo those are the better buy as they have the same amount of storage but with a screen. Sure they are a bit bigger and thicker, but in the end its a better buy

omg, but some ppl would prefer a ipod

Digital Skunk

Aug 24, 2008, 11:03 PM

Given the nature of the current Apple products, this thing may just be the fugly truth.

I am sure many will love it.

christiemp

Aug 24, 2008, 11:06 PM

That looks gross. I think the phat nano is wayyyyy cuter. The original nano is way cuter too.

Where the are the redesigned macbooks?!

macshill

Aug 24, 2008, 11:06 PM

maybe kevin rose was right all along...:rolleyes:

haha Maybe one of Kevin's henchmen leaked this rumour. ;)

I don't have an interest in iPods, so for me, it's aaaall about the MacBook. :D

gnikcjack

Aug 24, 2008, 11:06 PM

ugh, why are there no new macbook rumors? I really hope they are moving ahead with the updates, I'm already 2 weeks into school. Does anyone have some idea of whats goin on?

EricNau

Aug 24, 2008, 11:06 PM

I can't see Apple disposing of their dock connector. Not only would they lose a source of income from the royalties, but they would essentially lose the trust of accessory manufacturers as well as their customers. All for what benefit? None.

That 30-pin connector was built with expandability in mind, so it could remain constant through all of the various iPod models and revisions, even as the inferences changed (usb, firewire). It's all about Apple wanting and needing control; removing it would be an absolutely catastrophic business move.

And arguing that the iPod shuffle doesn't have a 30-pin connector is a moot point. There's no reason why it should; it was never meant to interact with the 1,000s of accessories built around the iPod ecosystem.

Aranince

Aug 24, 2008, 11:07 PM

cameronjpu

Aug 24, 2008, 11:12 PM

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.

So TRUE!

Except for those TWO teensie exceptions......

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 11:14 PM

they would essentially lose the trust of accessory manufacturers as well as their customers. All for what benefit? None.

i doubt they'll lose trust, from 3rd party manufacturers, ipods make money, and i doubt anyone is gonna get upset so much by it that they stop making ipod assesories, of course it would be inconveinant, but overtime cheaper,

again ipods make money, like when they changed the foot print of the iphone 3g, companies didn't get mad, and give up selling iphone cases, they made newer ones, and if im not wrong, apple usually lets companies know ahead of time of the dimentions of new products, but i might be wrong.

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 11:14 PM

i think the point has been made with the dock connector

i do see that hook for a lanyard being real

Funplex

Aug 24, 2008, 11:18 PM

I am gonna be sooooo pissed if the iPod Touch comes out with GPS. It would be something extremely useful to me but theres no way in heck I could afford one for quite some time.

EricNau

Aug 24, 2008, 11:19 PM

i doubt they'll lose trust, from 3rd party manufacturers, ipods make money, and i doubt anyone is gonna get upset so much by it that they stop making ipod assesories, of course it would be inconveinant, but overtime cheaper,

again ipods make money, like when they changed the foot print of the iphone 3g, companies didn't get mad, and give up selling iphone cases, they made newer ones, and if im not wrong, apple usually lets companies know ahead of time of the dimentions of new products, but i might be wrong.
What about the car manufacturers? The airline companies? Both have invested large amounts of money into the 30-pin dock connector, if that were changed they'd be SOL. And the auto customers: what would they do? It's not like you can go buy a new car. I'm sure adaptors would be made, but what a pain.

And once again, I ask, for what gain?

chilibball

Aug 24, 2008, 11:22 PM

I think the spot where people think a mni USB port is a loop for a necklace. If the Touch gets GPS then Apple or TomTom or Garmin will no doubt release their navigation software into the store the same day. I think this because the iPhone gets it's maps info from it's cellular data connection. The Touch would have no where to get this in the middle of a random area (lets just say there are no wifi access points in range either... I know what a shocker these days). This GPS app would had to be pretty big in size to have all the maps of the U.S preloaded onto it. Or you could download it before your trip but who actually wants to do that.

It's funny how people like to bash others on the forums a lot because I think sudo commands are better!

Funplex

Aug 24, 2008, 11:22 PM

That green model looks rediculous. Anyone with any skill in a CAD package like Solidworks could draw that up in 20 minutes. I wouldn't look into it too much.

Totally--- they look like someone whipped them up in Maya.

With the 3d printing technology I saw at Siggraph, if anything--- it's just a quickie model made to be put out as a shape prototype.

Rtb1

Aug 24, 2008, 11:22 PM

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.

see: iPod Shuffle

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 11:23 PM

What about the car manufacturers? The airline companies? Both have invested large amounts of money into the 30-pin dock connector, if that were changed they'd be SOL. And the auto customers: what would they do? It's not like you can go buy a new car. I'm sure adaptors would be made, but what a pain.

And once again, I ask, for what gain?

car companies invested in tape players, but did that prevent them from moving to cd's.

im not gonna trade in my old cavalier that works just fine, just cause i saw one with a cd player, i just buy a one of those tape-cd converter things.

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 11:26 PM

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.

http://www.ipodsupercenter.com/graphics/08%20shuffle%20dock.jpg
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/2869877221142866.JPG?0.776843241424686

carve

Aug 24, 2008, 11:28 PM

Man, if the prices will be cheaper, I might have to pick one up. The battery on my ipod video is pretty much dead, and sometimes I don't feel like bringing my $500 iPhone to school and have the risk of it getting stolen. If the price is $130 or some where around there, you can count me in for one.

.Andy

Aug 24, 2008, 11:29 PM

And once again, I ask, for what gain?
A far more compact cable for charging and syncing. It'd consume less space allowing better design asthetic and also make on-the-go charging/synching more universally standardised.

I can't see how Apple moving away from proprietary connections isn't a good thing for everyone. Although perhaps that in itself is reason enough to doubt the authenticity.

iLeoMarc

Aug 24, 2008, 11:30 PM

What about the car manufacturers? The airline companies? Both have invested large amounts of money into the 30-pin dock connector, if that were changed they'd be SOL. And the auto customers: what would they do? It's not like you can go buy a new car. I'm sure adaptors would be made, but what a pain.

And once again, I ask, for what gain?

Yup you are right. And most people are forgetting that the iPod Nano is the only iPod that works with the Nike+ brand. Apple will not let that one slip away! Apple currently uses it to differentiate their line.

EricNau

Aug 24, 2008, 11:36 PM

A far more compact cable for charging and syncing. It'd consume less space allowing better design asthetic and also make on-the-go charging/synching more universally standardised.

I can't see how Apple moving away from proprietary connections isn't a good thing for everyone. Although perhaps that in itself is reason enough to doubt the authenticity.
And when that standard changes, then what? We've already seen the iPod switch from Firewire to USB, but because of the universal 30-pin dock connector, the transition was smooth and all of the accessories were interchangeable. Would Apple switch their dock connector every time a new standard was introduced?

There's a whole ecosystem surrounding the iPod; changing the connector would destroy it.

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 11:39 PM

Yup you are right. And most people are forgetting that the iPod Nano is the only iPod that works with the Nike+ brand. Apple will not let that one slip away! Apple currently uses it to differentiate their line.

umm, how hard is it just to call nike up and just say "yo Nike, where makin a new ipod, you should make new assesories with mni usb"

and nike would say somethin along the lines off "totally dude, mini usb is a totally awsome choice seeing as the can use it for OTHER devices that dosent happen to use ipods patent dock connector"

PROBLEM SOLVED:D

jojo13

Aug 24, 2008, 11:40 PM

I like the fat Nanos
hope they keep them

Analog Kid

Aug 24, 2008, 11:40 PM

Apple is making darn sure they aren't beholden to AT&T, and good for them.

They've given AT&T a product AT&T can't afford not to sell, and they've given themselves a safety net incase AT&T fouls things up.

MattInOz

Aug 24, 2008, 11:40 PM

i think the point has been made with the dock connector

i do see that hook for a lanyard being real

I can't, it's in the wrong place structurally, and is going to get in the way or be annoying to those who see no value in it.

More a sign is a prototype for a knock off.

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 11:41 PM

again people need to quit wining and stop living in the past. look in to the feature. open your minds to NEW technology.

caliguy

Aug 24, 2008, 11:42 PM

no you dont. Proves your really 13 if you talk like that and belive some guy who wants to cause trouble....

Alright, both of you... well I don't want to get suspended from this board again, but just shut up. Your conversations are annoying and immature.

Anyway, while Apple has diverted from the universal dock connector in the past with the Shuffle, I think this would be a very bad move with the Nano. iPod speakers have a very big market and the current dock connector doesn't seem like it would hinder any future form factors.

I'm expecting to see something more revolutionary.

.Chris

Aug 24, 2008, 11:42 PM

I can't, it's in the wrong place structurally, and is going to get in the way or be annoying to those who see no value in it.

More a sign is a prototype for a knock off.

and whos to say the click wheel is in the wrong place? may be it should be .25 inches to the left. Headphone jack on top or bottoum.

EricNau

Aug 24, 2008, 11:44 PM

umm, how hard is it just to call nike up and just say "yo Nike, where makin a new ipod, you should make new assesories with mni usb"

and nike would say somethin along the lines off "totally dude, mini usb is a totally awsome choice seeing as the can use it for OTHER devices that dosent happen to use ipods patent dock connector"

PROBLEM SOLVED:D
Would you be willing to call the airlines on behalf of Apple? I suspect their reaction might be somewhat different.

clu10

Aug 24, 2008, 11:47 PM

Would you be willing to call the airlines on behalf of Apple? I suspect their reaction might be somewhat different.

apple usually offers backwards compatiblity with their products, i doubt they'll just be hangin

.Andy

Aug 24, 2008, 11:53 PM

And when that standard changes, then what? We've already seen the iPod switch from Firewire to USB, but because of the universal 30-pin dock connector, the transition was smooth and all of the accessories were interchangeable.
All of the accessories most definitely have not been 'smoothly' interchangeable between each iPod iteration. Take FM transmitters for instance - I've currently got three which go with different iPods (non interchangeable). I've got two docks from apple (from the 4G) that no longer fit the newer iPod lines (which use the universal Dock). The iPhone doesn't fit in the universal dock. I've firewire cables that don't sync my newer pods. Apple is all over the place when it comes to supporting their own accessories and those of third parties. It's been the bane of much contention on these boards: Each new iPod = new range of accessories. We've been lucky that some accessories have remained compatable.

Would Apple switch their dock connector every time a new standard was introduced? There's a whole ecosystem surrounding the iPod; changing the connector would destroy it.
I can't see them having a problem changing connectors regularly. New strandards aren't introduced every week. It's 5 years + between standards. A completely different take on it would be reinvigorating the third party ecosystem. Companies get to make small modifications to their products and sell them all over again. You rarely sell the same product twice to a customer.

D3nZ

Aug 24, 2008, 11:57 PM

I was starting to like the Fatty, I was just about to buy a (product) RED one until I heard the rumors of a new Nano comming out. I hope they don't go back to the old design, I don't like it at all, especially if they curve the screen, it could have horrible affects on the viewing capabilities. You would have to old the nano perfectly straight to see the screen or else you would have the cola bottle or fish eye effect.

isMEheNG

Aug 25, 2008, 12:11 AM

Love the new nano design...might get one if the price is right. GPS enable touch? it is possible if it stay on current size but i think new touch will be smaller :rolleyes:

sam10685

Aug 25, 2008, 12:18 AM

I don't understand the curved screen

I rather like the curved iPod nano design. ...and for the record, I just bought an iPod touch last June and absolutely love it but if they add GPS, I'm going to sell this and get that even if I loose money.

sam10685

Aug 25, 2008, 12:33 AM

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.

"There's no way Apple would make a phoneless iPhone that could lessen iphone sales."

.Chris

Aug 25, 2008, 12:47 AM

isnt that what the touch is for

elmateo487

Aug 25, 2008, 12:51 AM

Problem is, you lose the dock connector and you loose many third party accessories (and the royalties that Apple charges third parties to make them). I don't see apple doing that when there's still room for a dock connector.

Have you seen the inside of an ipod? That connector takes up a lot of room at the bottom of the board.

If we can get everything the pins do, out through a smaller opening? All the better. The smaller the other components get the more room we have for a larger screen and media storage. I think it is STUPID that we do not go with technology, and take what new advances we can get!

For example. "I can't believe So and So the band is releasing only their media on CDs now, and not records! Preposterous" wwwaaaaa. waa waa.

olternaut

Aug 25, 2008, 01:07 AM

these cases look llike the cheap mp4 ipod knock offs that come from cheap chinese companys would use, all of the mp4 "ipod" have mini usb. either way I DO BELIEVE IT IS REAL!!!

Yup. Complain and debate all you want people. I have a strong feeling that those leaked mockups and photo from Kevin Rose is the real thing. The only thing to debate now is why they went with that design. Will a curved screen be a problem?

olternaut

Aug 25, 2008, 01:13 AM

What I want to know is...why does Apple let their Chinese partners get away with all these friggin leaks?
Steve Jobs can't be happy when stuff like this happens and its beginning to happen on a regular basis now.
What I would like Apple to do with their 20 BILLION dollar surplus of cash is invest in a domestic US based factory where they can assemble their own products. A state of the art robotically controlled assembly plant where the only human workers are the technicians that would oversee the robots. The only thing Apple would have to worry about is importing raw materials. Gawd, that would be more awesome than even upcoming products because it would give the company a HUGE leg up in their operations. Not to mention help to plug product info leaks.

hiimamac

Aug 25, 2008, 01:13 AM

I said a few months ago, APPLE wants a computer in everyone's hand.

How hard will it be for them to offer 3G and have ATT offer a $20 per month charge for internet.

It's going to happen, if not now, then someday.

MattInOz

Aug 25, 2008, 01:13 AM

Yup. Complain and debate all you want people. I have a strong feeling that those leaked mockups and photo from Kevin Rose is the real thing. The only thing to debate now is why they went with that design. Will a curved screen be a problem?

I think we are seeing both. the photo mock up is real, the 3D model is the knock off.

MattInOz

Aug 25, 2008, 01:19 AM

and whos to say the click wheel is in the wrong place? may be it should be .25 inches to the left. Headphone jack on top or bottoum.

That would be hard to see from those photos.
what we can see of the 3D model screams knock off.
The things pointed out are just glaring lacks of attention detail.

Yes a lanyard loop great idea, but not one that sticks out.
Why switch to mini usb when you have a dock connector that you can make money selling a mini usb cable to those who want that feature.

The Mock up photo or is a real photo seems more like an Apple product.
Although is very scant in detail.

.Chris

Aug 25, 2008, 01:21 AM

all we saw was the case NOT the ipod from the dock side....

dakotaiphone

Aug 25, 2008, 01:31 AM

Have you ever seen a NORMAL GPS before? You know... one that actually connects to satellites and finds your EXACT location? (Not aGPS like the iPhone)

Holy people... You don't need wifi/3G/edge for a GPS to work...

Well, actually, another interesting thing is that, my families home-place is at a location that doesn't have cell service. So if it wasn't for Wi-Fi, I wouldn't be able to grab the maps. But just as a test I tried to see if the phone would lock-on to a GPS signal. And it did, with "No Service" and no Wi-Fi icon, the phone had its "wires" cut, it was completely autonomous. So while the iPhone has aGPS, it is just a time saving measure. It is NOT required. The phone is completely capable of doing it all itself.

Brien

Aug 25, 2008, 01:31 AM

i seriously doubt they'd get rid of the shuffle, they're like everywhere

Agreed. The shuffle sells really well as a first iPod/something for smaller kids. They'll just axe the 1GB and probably lower the 2GB to fifty bucks. No redesign needed.

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.

As Apple has shown before, they do whatever they want.

Shot22

Aug 25, 2008, 01:33 AM

I agree with previous posters in that the lanyard loop should not be sticking out from the iPod. Also, don't these picture indicate that the screws are visible at the bottom of the iPod? I know that was done with the iPhone 3G, but its still not good-looking. And, won't the curved screen always create a glare when watching videos?

Lastly, in the "unknown Canadian company" case design, the hole for the hold switch is farther toward the left than it is in iDealChina's rendering of the actual device. This makes me doubt the pictures.

Tobiwan

Aug 25, 2008, 01:34 AM

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Guys, the "Turn iPod for video" design is a terrible idea! First of all, all the buttons move positions so you have to get used to the menu button being on the left of the clickwheel rather than the top... then, outside of that all the labels turn sideways, so it looks dumb as well as being a bad usability decision. Not to mention a left handed person would have to have the video upside down, so they would have to make a sort of 'left handed' setting or make them get used to an awkward control design for their hands.

It's just a bad idea, and I damn well hope Apple doesn't do this, a curved click wheel, a glaring, curved screen, mini USB... so much of it just screams fake it's not even funny....

Jonathan Ive isn't stupid.

who's to say that the symbols on the scroll wheel are fixed liked current click wheel iPods? Perhaps they light up and switch position orientation based on such direction you are holding the iPod. Don't be so quick to dismiss. Try thinking outside the box just a little bit more.

CaryMacGuy

Aug 25, 2008, 01:43 AM

AW.kennedy

Aug 25, 2008, 01:51 AM

THESE ARE FAKE!

as in literally fake! there is a company which sales fake dodgy ipods. I actually made the mistake of buying one once on an auction site.

i know this is one of those as the bottom of the green image shows exactly the same connectors in the same order. So it looks like its an update of a fake ipod rather than a new ipod.

soz guys!

.Chris

Aug 25, 2008, 01:58 AM

ttech10

Aug 25, 2008, 02:00 AM

thats the point. You use it while your out :rolleyes:

whos to say they arnt going towards a diferent connector this time around? You people NEED to stop living in the past and look towards the feature.

GPS with the iTouch... you have no WiFi to always connect to so it's pretty much impossible to use while you're out, unless you subscribe to WiFi internet (if they have that in your area) that's all over your town.

Why would switch from what they're known for on all their products? The iPhone 3G is their (basically) 'future' product so why did they use the "old" (in your words) connection? Why not change the iPhone to have a mini-usb? Because the mock-up is fake.

Why are you so sure that this is real?

Shot22

Aug 25, 2008, 02:02 AM

I don't think Apple should mess with the Nano quite yet. They have yet to keep a design for it for more than a year. On the flip side, the iPod has had the same basic design for almost it's whole life (with the exception of the 3rd Gen iPod).

I am beginning to think that Apple is starting to get a little crazy with its iPod line. We now have 4 fundamentally different models (3 with flash, 1 HDD). I think that it is time for Apple to admit that they missed the mark with the Shuffle (I mean come on, who wants an MP3 player w/o a screen in 2008). They need to keep the iPod Nano the iPod for people who are on a budget and they need to make the iPod Touch the flagship iPod (ie: Classic with full touchscreen and iPhone OS).

As far as the Mini-USB hints go, I am not sure changing it would be a bad thing...I mean I could charge it with my RAZR charger and not have to buy a totally different one.
It seems like more and more companies are going to that format. Remember back in 1997 when Apple discontinued its proprietary format for USB and Firewire? Imagine if Apple still used that. Change can be painful and annoying but in the end, it will be looked back as smart.
If they do keep the dock connector they should develop a MagSafe dock connector.

I think the fact that Apple has four completely different iPod lines (five, if you include the iPhone) is a good thing. As for the iPod Shuffle in particular, its still a good device because its incredibly small and has a low price tag. If the Shuffle had a screen, it would be too small to read easily and would make the device more expensive. In fact, I think the iPod nano is especially good for people who run, jog, or go to the gym frequently. It's just so easy to use in those situations, especially because it doesn't weight down your pocket like most PMPs do.

GregA

Aug 25, 2008, 02:06 AM

THESE ARE FAKE!

as in literally fake! there is a company which sales fake dodgy ipods. I actually made the mistake of buying one once on an auction site.

Can you put up a picture of what you bought?

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 02:07 AM

I think that it is time for Apple to admit that they missed the mark with the Shuffle (I mean come on, who wants an MP3 player w/o a screen in 2008).

some people want a mp3 player but cant afford the expensive ones, because of the screen, you see shuffles everywhere. the mac mini is the budget computer, of course it dosent sell as well as the imac, but it's more afforable. not all of us can afford the touch

.Andy

Aug 25, 2008, 02:08 AM

GPS with the iTouch... you have no WiFi to always connect to so it's pretty much impossible to use while you're out, unless you subscribe to WiFi internet (if they have that in your area) that's all over your town.
Please read the thread this has been covered. Before the iPhone came out with aGPS there were a gazillion GPS modules that worked perfectly (and still continue to do so) without an internet connection. All you need is a GPS chip in the touch and a way to purchase the maps (hello App store) and bob's your uncle. A GPS enabled touch with no requirement for the internet.

AW.kennedy

Aug 25, 2008, 02:11 AM

yeah and people said the same thing about the fat nanos last yeah

and no such thing as " So it looks like its an update of a fake ipod" :rolleyes:

seriously, why do people think apple would make a product with screw holes in the bottom of it? its not even typical little screws for a product of this size. but two big screw holes. and i know they are screw holes, because i used to own one of these.

try these images

http://eecue.com/img/images_pic-medium-29816-Fake_iPod_Mini___MP4.jpg

http://bp1.blogger.com/_BaWeTAWt3VI/RkZw7Eodz7I/AAAAAAAAByY/y-2eCHtrZGY/s400/fake-ipod.jpg

look at the bottom of them carefully and you'll agree

-i owned one of these, i know its the same, the screen on the image in the other news report with the digg guy shows the same tacky plasticy screen the fake ipods have

AW.kennedy

Aug 25, 2008, 02:14 AM

Can you put up a picture of what you bought?

not mine, but u can see the others i posted - i threw mine out, it was supposed to be 2gb but had a lot less, it actually only ever let me upload music to it once, so i got a real ipod

rajalot

Aug 25, 2008, 02:17 AM

Looks a bit out-of-place if it's real. I think it's not. Over time all iPods will get touch screens so it would seem rather pointless to release ufo-designwith mini-usb right now.

.Andy

Aug 25, 2008, 02:17 AM

seriously, why do people think apple would make a product with screw holes in the bottom of it?
The iPhone 3G has screw holes in the bottom of it.

http://www.rapidrepair.com/guides/iphone3g/3g_iphone_repair_guide_dock.JPG

CaryMacGuy

Aug 25, 2008, 02:19 AM

some people want a mp3 player but cant afford the expensive ones, because of the screen, you see shuffles everywhere. the mac mini is the budget computer, of course it dosent sell as well as the imac, but it's more afforable. not all of us can afford the touch

I guess all I am saying is that they could do better (in my opinion). I agree with you on the Mac Mini (I had one for quite a while).

AW.kennedy

Aug 25, 2008, 02:24 AM

The iPhone 3G has screw holes in the bottom of it.

http://www.rapidrepair.com/guides/iphone3g/3g_iphone_repair_guide_dock.JPG

ok, but a lanyard bit sticking out as well? and a mini usb port?
if you look at the photos of the fake ipods that are being sold you can see its the same.

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 02:39 AM

seriously, why do people think apple would make a product with screw holes in the bottom of it? its not even typical little screws for a product of this size.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2245/2658497876_8defd6c58a.jpg?v=0

hmmm, must be a fake, apple would never put screw holes on a product:p

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 02:42 AM

ok, but a lanyard bit sticking out as well? and a mini usb port?
if you look at the photos of the fake ipods that are being sold you can see its the same.

if you look at the pictures of fake ipods you'd notice that they're modeled after.......well, ipods!!!!! I KNOW CRAZY HUH? http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/02/tripod_nano.jpg

and with the lanyard, it's not really that much of a strech if you look at the suffle
http://images.apple.com/au/ipodshuffle/images/hero_shuffle_20070905.jpg

a wearable ipod

nesado

Aug 25, 2008, 02:49 AM

Why not native bluetooth features? I don't need GPS on my nano...

.Andy

Aug 25, 2008, 02:50 AM

Why not native bluetooth features? I don't need GPS on my nano...
Who said anything about GPS on the nano?

ryan.stewie

Aug 25, 2008, 03:06 AM

macshill

Aug 25, 2008, 03:16 AM

macshill

Aug 25, 2008, 03:16 AM

Apple copying knock offs? Not happening.

8CoreWhore

Aug 25, 2008, 03:30 AM

Looks like the glass will only be curved at the very edge, while the LCD underneath will be flat. The bottom looks like it shows two screw holes like the iPhone, a mini USB, a lanyard loop, and a speaker. That lanyard loop can also be used to support accessories attached to the USB. Why the "candy bar" shape? Form follows function - they want the same aspect ratio on all the devices; wide screen. Why USB? It's cheaper than the current dock connector. It might allow for more accessories, like SD card reader/writers that to date haven't been made for the iPods. If the Touch gets GPS, you can simply add maps for your area at home - a few MB's. Typical GPS hand sets don't have as much storage for maps as the iPods do. And, GPS handsets are not connected to the internet.

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 03:35 AM

i call fake.
because:

1. Apple would never create such a hideously ugly product.
2. It looks like a case for these knockoffs http://i3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/436/743/06/IPOD202.jpg
and 3. There is no dock connector only a mini-usb plug on these renders.

1. Apple would never create such a hideously ugly product.
http://images.macworld.com/images/legacy/2001/04/images/content/flowerpower.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/CDE/_IBOOK.GIF
yeah pretty

2. It looks like a case for these knockoffs

hmmm, notice how knock offs kind sorta look like the original product
http://news.soft32.com/wp-content/upload/fake_ipod.jpg

3. There is no dock connector only a mini-usb plug on these renders.
well apple COULD start using different cords, i mean mini usb IS cheaper

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 03:36 AM

Apple copying knock offs? Not happening.

wait, dont knocks offs copy apple, Isnt that why there called knock offs

macshill

Aug 25, 2008, 03:41 AM

Exactly.

If Apple puts the headphone jack on the top in the middle, a knock off do the same. But if a knock off say, puts the headphone jack in a weird position like the upper left-hand corner, what are the chances that Apple would say "hey, that's a great idea; we're gonna do that"?

edit: lol Damn. Now I don't know who's case I'm making here (the front page original pix being real or fake). I think ryan.stewie's fake pix threw me off.

chromberg5000

Aug 25, 2008, 03:45 AM

The IPod Nano 4th Generation will have the interface on the backside. On front, you'll only find the display.

The bar-design is completely crap.

:apple::apple::apple::apple:

iRebecca27

Aug 25, 2008, 03:49 AM

Agreed. The shuffle sells really well as a first iPod/something for smaller kids. They'll just axe the 1GB and probably lower the 2GB to fifty bucks. No redesign needed.

As Apple has shown before, they do whatever they want.

very true. and then what apple does, others follow, until the world is wrapped around their magical, glowing little finger.

donga

Aug 25, 2008, 03:56 AM

wouldn't apple ask to take these down if they were real? also, on one of the sites it says there's a mini-usb port foregoing the usual dock connector....

macshill

Aug 25, 2008, 03:56 AM

very true. and then what apple does, others follow, until the world is wrapped around their magical, glowing little finger.

lol :D Hey, Rebecca? You ever see that "Stonecutters" episode of 'The Simpsons' when Homer joins the secret society? Lenny and Carl are talking and when of them says too much, the other speaks out of the side of his mouth and says "shut up"? ;) Yeah. Apple's kinda like that. You're on to the devious master plan: An iPod under every Christmas tree! :apple:

Niiro13

Aug 25, 2008, 03:58 AM

gps on the iPod touch has got to be one of the least useful things that they can put on it. The only think you'd use it for is for finding exact location for maps..but if you have wifi then it's not hard to find out address, right? And there's barely any applications that use gps when not on Internet.

Then again, if telenav's gps application has builtin maps, it will become of the most useful...(unless they charge a subscription like $99 a year similar to garmin on the blackberrys)

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 04:06 AM

The IPod Nano 4th Generation will have the interface on the backside. On front, you'll only find the display.

The bar-design is completely crap.

:apple::apple::apple::apple:

um, how do you navagate if the controlls are on the back

Schtumple

Aug 25, 2008, 04:11 AM

mini USB port? ;)

Glad someone noticed... Can't beleive this made the front page... I noticed immediatly...

retroneo

Aug 25, 2008, 04:13 AM

Is it possible to download a weeks worth of almanac and ephemeris data in advance so you could then get A-GPS for a whole week without being connected to the internet?

i.e. fast fixes instead of waiting forever for unassisted GPS.

macshill

Aug 25, 2008, 04:18 AM

um, how do you navagate if the controlls are on the back

yeah. if the controls are on the back, then when you sit down w/ it in your back pocket, arent you messing up all the controls (settings, playback)? also, where as people end up scratching the back of their iPod by putting it down on its back, how would you place a dual side iPod? put it down on the display side, you risk scratching up your screen. put it down on the clickwheel side, you risk scratching that up.

retroneo

Aug 25, 2008, 04:29 AM

Is it possible to download a weeks worth of almanac and ephemeris data in advance so you could then get A-GPS for a whole week without being connected to the internet?

I found out the answer, yes there are already solutions on the market that cache A-GPS data to provide fast fixes for 14 days while offline!

The iPod would only need to be connected to the net once every 14 days, and still provide reasonable GPS performance!

One such product is Assistnow Offline.

MacBram

Aug 25, 2008, 04:49 AM

Pyrotechnist

Aug 25, 2008, 04:53 AM

Im somehow pretty sure its an iPhone Nano.

There is no need for a wide screen on iPod nano.

Touch disc can be used as a dial pad....somehow.

Schtumple

Aug 25, 2008, 05:04 AM

Im somehow pretty sure its an iPhone Nano.

There is no need for a wide screen on iPod nano.

Touch disc can be used as a dial pad....somehow.

That looks horrible... Why would apple use a dial when they've already got the gui set with the iPhone...

macshill

Aug 25, 2008, 05:05 AM

Several posts wanting features like external speakers, GPS this and that, etc. Haven't read the last couple of pages, but what I am really hoping for is a mic for Skype, iChat, a dictaphone app, etc. Would be great if Apple would build that in (unless they are leaving it a third party accessory using this mini-usb port or whatever).

I am planning on getting a Touch with the next revision coming up. The lack of a mic won't break the deal, but it would sure be nice.

Then I'm buying stock in a VOIP! Imagine how many people would sign up for Vonage if they could do this?? :eek:

That Mac shill Steve Dotto ('Dotto Tech') is always hyping Apple products and Vonage. Now the two can go hand-in-hand. :p

gwilli

Aug 25, 2008, 05:08 AM

If apple start using MiniUSB I can see a lot of BMW, Audi, Pioneer, Fusion (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/fusion-caip500-ipod-dock-receiver-p-6729.html), Smart Car, Hyundai, Vauxhall, Citroen (and the list goes on) owners being very, very pissed off, it also opens the in car dock connector to be used by other MP3 players, which I don't see apple allowing.

Also, GPS on the touch would be pretty sluggish, if it wasn't for the assisted GPS in most cases the iPhone would find it extremely hard to find your exact location, especially in built up areas.

Pyrotechnist

Aug 25, 2008, 05:11 AM

That looks horrible... Why would apple use a dial when they've already got the gui set with the iPhone...

Coz capacitive touchscreen is expensive.

Numbers wont be on the dial....boss hates numberpads.......

SOMEHOW you will be able to dial smoothly using touch wheel.

My ip says I am from Australia, I am not working for apple.

Pyrotechnist

Aug 25, 2008, 05:18 AM

Here's another really good mockup I found somewhere.

......hint: Ben Reitzes is a fake name.........

Pyrotechnist

Aug 25, 2008, 05:23 AM

Two more hints.

Pyrotechnist

Aug 25, 2008, 05:29 AM

Last hint. Someone's gonna shaft a stick up my bum hole if I keep posting published information.

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 05:42 AM

Last hint. Someone's gonna shaft a stick up my bum hole if I keep posting published information.

thats just a patent, dont take it too seriously.http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/images/FirstApplePhone.gif

Pyrotechnist

Aug 25, 2008, 06:06 AM

thats just a patent, dont take it too seriously.http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/images/FirstApplePhone.gif

Ahhhh....the joker patent in the office.

Very good pick up mate, very good.

Yap I wasn't serious at all. I wasn't. :p

SilentLoner

Aug 25, 2008, 06:06 AM

thats just a patent, dont take it too seriously.http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/images/FirstApplePhone.gif

that would be hilarious!

MattInOz

Aug 25, 2008, 06:17 AM

Here's another really good mockup I found somewhere.

......hint: Ben Reitzes is a fake name.........

Now that is sexy.

sushi

Aug 25, 2008, 06:31 AM

Come on, GPS iPod Touch: My dream machine...
Without a wireless connection, it would have to be a full GPS system with on board maps.

mini USB port? ;)
Don't see Apple going away from their dock connector.

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.
Agree, with the exception of the Shuffle.

GPS + pre-loaded maps + turn-by-turn directions = me sold on the iPod Touch, even if they increased the price.
This would be the only way to implement GPS if the Touch does not have wireless connectivity.

thats just a patent, dont take it too seriously.http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/images/FirstApplePhone.gif
Sweet! I wand one. :p

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 06:32 AM

Two more hints.
what they do is provide the right to exclude others from making, using, selling, offering for sale, or importing a invention, it dosent mean that the filer has the intention in distributing the product, but more or less keeps other people from stealing your ideas.

if apple gets a neat idea, they file a patent right away, and sometimes they turn into products, and other times they're just abandoned.
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/7425545808821866.JPG?0.1606138296043258
this is one that did come true....sorta
http://images.macnn.com/macnn/news/0708/app_070816_retpatss1.jpg

MrCrowbar

Aug 25, 2008, 06:55 AM

This kinda doesn't look like a mini USB port to me:
http://www.idealschina.com/UserFiles/Image/6.jpg

And right next to it, there's some kind of loop, looks like you're supposed to put a handband through that. I can see a similar dock as used for the iPod shuffle, where syncing and charging goes through the headphone jack. Saves a lot of space.

This might be an iPhone nano by the way... bad for texting and all, but the rotary dial should work for the few occasions the number is not in your address book.

I don't get why people are complaining about the sideways video though. The iPod TOuch and iPhone do that, too. You can't even choose the direction, you HAVE to turn it to the left.

bananas

Aug 25, 2008, 07:02 AM

I hope the GPS thing is true. I don't want iPhone as long as I can't choose the mobile operator, so an iPod Touch with GPS would be perfect for me.

If it's cheaper (everywhere) than the iPhone in the US, then it's the best thing I could imagine spending <200 €.

The iPod Nano seems like a step backwards, but I don't really care. My GF already has a fatty Nano and we both like it.

PinkyMacGodess

Aug 25, 2008, 07:13 AM

The green image does look like it has a USB port in the bottom rather than a dock port.

An interesting idea...

Could Apple be chucking the dock port now? It is an interesting idea. It would mean that all the current ipod goodies that use the dock port are worthless but the change would mean millions to those companies that make and supply accessory ipod stuff and I'm sure that they won't be weeping (all the way to the bank).

Has anyone looked at itunes for possible clues to the new dockless ipod? I'd think that the method of interfacing it to the new hardware would require a re-write and/or additional code to that part of itunes...

Kilamite

Aug 25, 2008, 07:15 AM

Ever heard of a converter? guess not. See bellow..

Well said. Glad someone here is looking in to the feature

So, the iPod Nanos are coming out soon, and you expect it to include USB 3.0 which won't be released until late 2009/2010?

And a converter? So, if you have bought a Dock recently, you'd have to go and buy an adapter, and carry that around with you just so you can use it in people's Dock's?

Doubt it.

Pikemann Urge

Aug 25, 2008, 07:25 AM

I say this with affection (because hey it's not about being right, it's about the thrill of guessing) but you are insane if you think Apple will release an iPod with a shell like that. Curved screen shield? Even at the edge? Oh man I feel like Eric Cartman trying in vain to hide maniacal laughter. :D

And that lanyard loop that will break off? Oh, man, somebody stop, this is ridiculous.

I'm not saying the shape is bad - I love the shape in this context:

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=bic+lighter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

try these images
[...]

-i owned one of these, i know its the same, the screen on the image in the other news report with the digg guy shows the same tacky plasticy screen the fake ipods have
Funny what a bit of experience and research can do. ;)

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 07:35 AM

This kinda doesn't look like a mini USB port to me:

This might be an iPhone nano by the way... bad for texting and all, but the rotary dial should work for the few occasions the number is not in your address book.

I don't get why people are complaining about the sideways video though. The iPod TOuch and iPhone do that, too. You can't even choose the direction, you HAVE to turn it to the left.

This kinda doesn't look like a mini USB port to me:
it does to me
http://www.feastronics.co.uk/USERIMAGES/IMGP2835.JPG

the rotary dial should work for the few occasions
i hope it's non rotary dial, seeing as im not exactly sure how to use one

I don't get why people are complaining about the sideways video though.
me niether, i actually like it that way, the new nano would be a bit more.....grippable than the current one

Mjmar

Aug 25, 2008, 07:59 AM

I can't see Apple redesigning the Nano yet. It just seems too soon to trash the more square design. Preloaded GPS in the Touch will only happen if iPhone gets it in a software update. Sort of similar to how iTunes was released for the Touch first, and given to iPhone users in an update.

papiti

Aug 25, 2008, 08:39 AM

mini USB port? ;)

Don't think this is true. I agree that there is a mini-USB port in this picture. Therefore, Hopefully, NOT TRUE!! As we all know, Apple does not use mini-USB ports for their iPod and iPhone products, and besides, the Design is really weird.:D

sparks9

Aug 25, 2008, 08:44 AM

new nano looks good. i didnt like the fat nano.

yorkshire

Aug 25, 2008, 08:53 AM

Mini usb port? Not gonna happen. This is definatly a case for a knock of iPod.

olternaut

Aug 25, 2008, 09:33 AM

<cough>mobile me <cough>

i do agree with you though,,,

Its a work in progress. Its only fault is that it was taken out of the incubator too soon.

Digital Skunk

Aug 25, 2008, 09:59 AM

Here's another really good mockup I found somewhere.

......hint: Ben Reitzes is a fake name.........

No.... it's really not that great.

iSimx

Aug 25, 2008, 10:09 AM

I really can't imagine they would add GPS to the ipod touch. Firstly you would need wifi coverage everywhere if you were planning to use it as a guide, which is not possible or you would need something like 3g, which they definitely wouldn't add as that's for iphone.

Roessnakhan

Aug 25, 2008, 10:12 AM

I don't like that they're scraping the FatPod design. They looked terrible in the leaked shots that came out, but I remember going into the Apple Store and REALLY loving it. Its the perfect size that you can just put it in your pocket and forget about it.

FightTheFuture

Aug 25, 2008, 10:17 AM

This would have to be some sort of admittance that either Apple is going to let TomTom/Telenav come out with their own apps or Apple is going to release their own.i don't think Apple would add a feature in the hope that TeleNav, TomTom or Garmin were to use it for their Application. if Apple were to create their own maps for a turn-by-turn solution than it would put them in direct competition with existing GPS navigators where they have no experience at all creating software for (and many would ponder why there is a second application for google maps). after that what's left? obviously not geotagging photos since there is no camera. location awareness apps already triangulate position with wifi. i would have to agree that GPS on the touch really doesn't seem useful.

I have a strong feeling that those leaked mockups and photo from Kevin Rose is the real thing.keep in mind that he's been very very wrong before. (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/kevin-rose-confirms-iphone-218927.php) plus his first mac notebook was a 17" G4 PowerBook a few months before WWDC2005.

That looks gross. I think the phat nano is wayyyyy cuter. The original nano is way cuter too.based on the photos and rumors the 4th Gen Nano looks to technically be the same height but just with a longer screen as the 1st and 2nd Gen Nanos.

I might have to pick one up. The battery on my ipod video is pretty much dead,you can replace the battery yourself on ifixit.com (http://www.ifixit.com/iPod-Parts/iPod-Video-60-80-GB-Replacement-Battery/IF195-028) for only $15! it's actually not very scary and kinda fun. plus the 5th Gen iPod IMO is the best looking iPod ever released.

Lavoro

Aug 25, 2008, 10:35 AM

http://www.studiolavoro.nl/apple/ipod_nano.jpg

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=8cVNGw1hy9o

sam10685

Aug 25, 2008, 10:36 AM

new nano looks good. i didnt like the fat nano.

Same here. I have small hands and I even think it's hard to hold.

mogzieee

Aug 25, 2008, 10:37 AM

It's

iPod not Ipod

iMacmatician

Aug 25, 2008, 10:43 AM

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/08/24/200743-for_iPod_nano_4G_Silicon_Skin_Case_400.jpghttp://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/08/24/200750-7_400.jpgLooks a bit like the 2G iPod nano…

Separately, and perhaps more interestingly, iDealsChina claims that the next generation iPod Touch will contain GPS (http://www.idealschina.com/Insider/NewsDetail.aspx?ArticleID=29).That's awesome, especially when many of us weren't expecting GPS as it would "make it too close to the iPhone."

I hope the default is GPS for lower prices (ex. $299 for 16 GB) and an option for no GPS for less. That would fit in with Kevin Rose's predictions of large iPod price drops.

I have to see it in person before I bash or love it. Plain and simple.+10,000

archipellago

Aug 25, 2008, 10:47 AM

these cases look llike the cheap mp4 ipod knock offs that come from cheap chinese companys would use, all of the mp4 "ipod" have mini usb. either way I DO BELIEVE IT IS REAL!!!

apart from the design all ipods are made by 'cheap chinese companys'

iReality85

Aug 25, 2008, 11:20 AM

Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the screen portion does not appear to be curved. This is evident especially in the green 3D rendering. The top edge looks flat, with highly eliptical curves on the sides. And think about it, a curved front would mean that the click would have to be curved as well (Apple wouldn't make a curved screen with a flat interface, the design would be un-aesthetic. They would be flush with each other).

Also, why are there sooooo many of you that clamor for GPS in the Touch? Are you all idiots who can't figure out where you're going? I can see it now, people walking aimlessly around in public staring at their Touch screens... almost as annoying as those who text on their cellphones while walking/driving and don't pay attention where they're going.

macworkerbee

Aug 25, 2008, 11:26 AM

OK, so lets say that I buy that this is the new nano design. I don't mind the overall look of it except the curved screen (it would have some horrible glare I think) and also turning the ipod to watch videos (just seems awkward with the click wheel being static).

If they are planning on getting rid of the dock connector and changing it to a mini usb, I would be very disappointed because that would mean that Nike+ would no longer work with the nano unless them come out with a new attachment.

Oh well, if all of this is true maybe I'll just pick up a really cheap refurb fatty nano around xmas time:rolleyes:

golinko

Aug 25, 2008, 11:32 AM

nickname: Speed Stick (http://www.colgate.com/app/Speedstick/US/EN/Products/Man-In-Motion/Products.cws)
p :D

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 11:33 AM

http://www.studiolavoro.nl/apple/ipod_nano.jpg

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=8cVNGw1hy9o

do you know where this came from?, i hope it's not a mockup

Beric

Aug 25, 2008, 11:35 AM

Also, why are there sooooo many of you that clamor for GPS in the Touch? Are you all idiots who can't figure out where you're going? I can see it now, people walking aimlessly around in public staring at their Touch screens... almost as annoying as those who text on their cellphones while walking/driving and don't pay attention where they're going.

So we want GPS on the Touch. What does that have to do with the idiots walking around in public? :confused: While I dislike those people as much as you, I don't see what it has to do with GPS.

And have you ever been lost in the middle of a huge city, or worse, in the middle of the wilderness?

GPS is incredibly useful. Apparently you've never needed it, but I have. And I don't want to have to carry around both a GPS receiver and a Touch.

Beric

Aug 25, 2008, 11:36 AM

do you know where this came from?, i hope it's not a mockup

Are you kidding? That's got to be a mockup.

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 11:36 AM

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 11:38 AM

If they are planning on getting rid of the dock connector and changing it to a mini usb, I would be very disappointed because that would mean that Nike+ would no longer work with the nano unless them come out with a new attachment.

i'd think since apple has a partnership with them, that apple would inform Nike ahead of time before the realease, so they have time to change their product

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 11:40 AM

nickname: Speed Stick (http://www.colgate.com/app/Speedstick/US/EN/Products/Man-In-Motion/Products.cws)
p :D

iDeodorant......it plays music too

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 11:43 AM

Are you kidding? That's got to be a mockup.

http://www.zwtm.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/apple_ipod_nano.jpg

well this LOOKS like a mockup but it's one of apples offical pics, this could be one also
http://www.studiolavoro.nl/apple/ipod_nano.jpg

Xian Zhu Xuande

Aug 25, 2008, 11:44 AM

chilibball

Aug 25, 2008, 11:44 AM

do you know where this came from?, i hope it's not a mockup

If you look on the bottom of the iPod in this video, it has the regular old 30-pin connector... but the case has a mini-usb port...

iMacmatician

Aug 25, 2008, 11:46 AM

If this is anywhere near accurate, it seems that Apple is trying to make the iPod nano smaller while retaining the 2.0" display size.

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 11:47 AM

Not sure I'm keen about the idea of these being real... especially if the screen has anywhere near the form reported by the Digg liar... I mean founder. Coming from Apple, though, if they do release it in a similar form, I guess I better see it in person before I jump to knee-jerk reactions.

geez, he's been right in the past ya kno, if you dont belive him you dont have to be mean,if fact, nobody REALLY knows the truth, so he COULD be right

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 11:49 AM

If this is anywhere near accurate, it seems that Apple is trying to make the iPod nano smaller while retaining the 2.0" display size.

this is complete b.s.
you dont know the scale of these pictures, how can you POSSIBLY measure them, let alone compare their sizes acurately

netdog

Aug 25, 2008, 11:52 AM

These are fakes. There is no way Apple would make an iPod without the dock connector.

Famous last words.

rychencop

Aug 25, 2008, 12:02 PM

who cares about watching video on a nano anyway? kinda defeats the purpose imo. i'll stick with my 3G nano and wait to see what the touch does.

clu10

Aug 25, 2008, 12:03 PM

who cares about watching video on a nano anyway? kinda defeats the purpose imo. i'll stick with my 3G nano and wait to see what the touch does.

ummmmm......i do

sjsutton

Aug 25, 2008, 12:13 PM

If the Touch is to receive GPS, then there has to be a forthcoming downloadable maps option. Unless you're within range of a Wi-Fi hotspot, how is the touch suppose to reference a map (i.e. car)? I'm hoping this downloadable map option is made available to the iPhone. It's a true battery killer having the iPhone download a map every few seconds while using GPS. If the maps were pre-loaded, then the iPhone would only use the GPS feature to keep track (hence improving battery life).

isMEheNG

Aug 25, 2008, 12:20 PM

http://www.studiolavoro.nl/apple/ipod_nano.jpg

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=8cVNGw1hy9o

the last nano in this the pic look :eek: it wont be an Apple's product :p

Agreed...the Touch seem not going to have GPS built-in while Apple stick with google map :o

iReality85

Aug 25, 2008, 12:21 PM

So we want GPS on the Touch. What does that have to do with the idiots walking around in public? :confused: While I dislike those people as much as you, I don't see what it has to do with GPS.

And have you ever been lost in the middle of a huge city, or worse, in the middle of the wilderness?

GPS is incredibly useful. Apparently you've never needed it, but I have. And I don't want to have to carry around both a GPS receiver and a Touch.

Chances are if you're lost in the wilderness, you probably wouldn't have reception anyway to connect with Google Maps... but that's given you have access to AT&T's network, and we're talking about the Touch. Good luck with WiFi.

I guess my point is, imo, GPS isn't the end-all-to-be-all. That's just my feeling.