Obama Assassination Plot stopped

[jaduffy108]

Amazing. People accuse Obama of lack of patriotism and similar BS, while he risks his life daily. :rolleyes:

Supposedly, the FBI will be holding a news conference tomorrow afternoon.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/25/202351/297/530/575086

Oh how I wish the west coast could secede from the US....I'm 47 years old and not one single truly progressive President in my lifetime. Time to apply for citizenship in the Netherlands.

[me_94501]

Amazing. People accuse Obama of lack of patriotism and similar BS, while he risks his life daily. :rolleyes:

Supposedly, the FBI will be holding a news conference tomorrow afternoon.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/25/202351/297/530/575086

Oh how I wish the west coast could secede from the US....I'm 47 years old and not one single truly progressive President in my lifetime. Time to apply for citizenship in the Netherlands.

Scary. :eek: Let's hope Thursday comes and goes without a hitch.

[Ntombi]

And so it begins...

I wish I could say I were surprised, but I'm only surprised that there's only been one (that we know of). :( And I HATE that I'm even writing that. *sigh*

[dukebound85]

And so it begins...

I wish I could say I were surprised, but I'm only surprised that there's only been one (that we know of). :( And I HATE that I'm even writing that. *sigh*

i agree. some people are filled with such hate for no reason. very pathetic in my opinion

[sushi]

i agree. some people are filled with such hate for no reason. very pathetic in my opinion
So true.

[Chappers]

And so it begins...

I wish I could say I were surprised, but I'm only surprised that there's only been one (that we know of). :( And I HATE that I'm even writing that. *sigh*

I also sadly agree with you.

[g4cubed]

Amazing.... Time to apply for citizenship in the Netherlands.

Good luck with that. It's really hard, I tired.

[Henri Gaudier]

Unfortunately, the once liberal Dutch are drifting more and more to the right and becoming a lot more intolerant. In some cases it's understandable but in others it's worryingly authoritarian and nannying. Still, nothing on the UK. Mind you .. give Sarkozy 10 years and we'll be in the same boat.

As for people saying "filled with hate and for no reason" it sounds like my mum! With Obama it will be business as usual. I heard his speech to AIPAC and he's no different to any that's gone before him. People may talk sense in opposition but as soon as they get in power everyone becomes a company man.

[darkwing]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080826/D92PU35O0.html

Officials say he wasn't a credible threat to Obama.

Besides, if you hate a politician so much and are convinced he's wrong for the country, then I think it makes more sense to let him do what you think will damage the country so people will vote him out and remember instead of causing the nation to rally around him. Just my 0.02.

give Sarkozy 10 years and we'll be in the same boat.

Give the Muslims another 25 years and you'll be a majority Muslim nation. So long, France...

[Hawkeye411]

:eek:

[iJohnHenry]

Imagine if he was all Black, and not just 1/2?? :eek:





:rolleyes:

[bbotte]

Skin heads trying to get publicity, I bet they were not going to do anything of the sort.

[ski2moro]

I would put nothing past Hillary and her minions.

[Don't panic]

it's first page news on newspaper around the world, but it's not yet even mentioned on us media.
odd.

[rhett7660]

Just heard about this. I have a feeling for ever one or two they find out about, there are probably more they don't know about. I am hoping none of them come to lite thou.

[whooleytoo]

It doesn't really sound like the most credible threat, if they were 100% serious and committed to it why would they admit to trying to kill him when first questioned?

[ucfgrad93]

i agree. some people are filled with such hate for no reason. very pathetic in my opinion

Yep. It is very sad.

[Henri Gaudier]

Give the Muslims another 25 years and you'll be a majority Muslim nation. So long, France...[/QUOTE]

When I go to the supermarket which is about once every 10 days I never see anyone obviously a muslim. I do see a black man pretty regularly and very occasionally an hasidic jew. It reminds me of the Bill Hicks gag about hearing the bad news on TV and he looks out of his window and all he hears is cicadas!

Seriously though there's a difference between having a high population of muslims and a militant mob demanding Sharia law. There's been trouble, riots and so forth but a lot of it with good reason.

What do I know, the loudest thing kicking up a racket around me are owls.:)

[Lord Blackadder]

Great. A couple of drugged-up skinheads with a rifle. Just goes to prove that, barring 9/11, domestic terrorism has always been a bigger threat than foreign terrorism. Bush is busy looking for dark-skinned middle easterners, and here are his own constituents planning to kill people.

I love the way the news report characterizes the rifle scope as "high-powered". They always have to add adjectives when describing firearms, to make them sound scary.

Oh how I wish the west coast could secede from the US....I'm 47 years old and not one single truly progressive President in my lifetime. Time to apply for citizenship in the Netherlands.

Yes, I'm sure that California has it all figured out. :rolleyes:

Still buying your electricity and water from elsewhere?

[darkwing]

Give the Muslims another 25 years and you'll be a majority Muslim nation. So long, France...

When I go to the supermarket which is about once every 10 days I never see anyone obviously a muslim. I do see a black man pretty regularly and very occasionally an hasidic jew. It reminds me of the Bill Hicks gag about hearing the bad news on TV and he looks out of his window and all he hears is cicadas!

Seriously though there's a difference between having a high population of muslims and a militant mob demanding Sharia law. There's been trouble, riots and so forth but a lot of it with good reason.

What do I know, the loudest thing kicking up a racket around me are owls.:)[/QUOTE]

I wonder if there is a nation that considers owls a delicacy? If so, you should invite them in and solve the problem. :)

I think like anywhere it depends on where you live. When I lived in California I hardly ever saw white people. When I go to southwestern West Virginia I never see any non-white people unless I go into Charleston. Here in Utah I mostly see whites and occasionally some hispanics.

This is what I was talking about, though: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/01/26/do2601.xml

Yes, I'm sure that California has it all figured out.

Still buying your electricity and water from elsewhere?

Edmund, California's gets plenty of water on its own at least in the northern part. The big problem there is the people in the southern part stealing a lot of it. (I used to live in Norcal, obviousl. :) )

[leekohler]

Give the Muslims another 25 years and you'll be a majority Muslim nation. So long, France...

Oh please. Just like the terr'rists are comin' ta get us too! :rolleyes:

[obeygiant]

Dear White-Supremacists,

Please don't kill Obama.


Thanks

Obeygiant

[mactastic]

More Christian terrorists...

[Henri Gaudier]

Darkwing - I've just read your Telegraph link and as I'm reading it I can't believe how low the journalism is. "Can this be professional journalism?" "It's a politically motivated opinion piece" I thought by "some inexperienced newcomer." Then I found the authors name and it clicked into place. Barbara Amiel is the wife of the then owner of The Telegraph, the disgraced thief and media mogul Conrad Black. Black and Amiel are well known Zionists and I see this piece as very biased indeed. If it were reversed (against Judaism) it wouldn't have even been printed. The problem it states may well come to pass but it's tone is alarmist and prejudiced.

[leekohler]

Darkwing - I've just read your Telegraph link and as I'm reading it I can't believe how low the journalism is. "Can this be professional journalism?" "It's a politically motivated opinion piece" I thought by "some inexperienced newcomer." Then I found the authors name and it clicked into place. Barbara Amiel is the wife of the then owner of The Telegraph, the disgraced thief and media mogul Conrad Black. Black and Amiel are well known Zionists and I see this piece as very biased indeed. If it were reversed (against Judaism) it wouldn't have even been printed. The problem it states may well come to pass but it's tone is alarmist and prejudiced.

Ugh- religion. Are people's individual realities so sad that they have to escape into fantasy? I mean really, what is so awful in the world that people have to run to things like religion?

OK- sorry- rant over. Let's get back OT. :) I'm afraid this won't be the last assassination plot we hear about.

[skunk]

The Torygraph is a right-wing rag and the piece is four years old. Choose your sources with more care.

[darkwing]

Oh please. Just like the terr'rists are comin' ta get us too! :rolleyes:

Muslim immigration isn't a large-scale problem in America. I'm more concerned with another culture of failure invading us. (A lot of that comes from within as well.)

I didn't realize the telegraph was a "right wing rag" as I'm not British. I simply googled "france muslim majority" and picked the first one that looked like "news." I've heard the issue discussed.

Personally I'm not sure why people hate the Jews. I love them! Of course, my dad is Jewish and my mom is Christian. Yes, I used to go to temple on Saturday and Church on Sunday. Scary stuff. I remember being 6 and talking about Jesus at a Jewish service and being snickered at. :)

[Thomas Veil]

I would put nothing past Hillary and her minions.Oh, come on. I hope you're kidding.

Ugh- religion. Are people's individual realities so sad that they have to escape into fantasy? I mean really, what is so awful in the world that people have to run to things like religion?Careful, lee. Next thing you know, you'll be saying they cling to their guns. And you know what the right wing media thinks about that. Speaking of which.

i agree. some people are filled with such hate for no reason. very pathetic in my opinionI do think that, while these people are responsible for their own actions, they are egged on at least in part by the right-wing haters, especially those of the blog and talk radio variety. They are the ones who spread fear, until these weak-minded individuals end up thinking a Muslim is about to be elected president, and they have to "do" something about it.

Yes, I know someone will say I'm oversimplifying, but the hatemeisters do feed people like that.

[OscarTheGrouch]

These hoodlums are a poor excuse for criminals. They give professional assassins the world around a bad name. I mean come on, one jumped out of a 6th story window. Not the brightest bulbs in the tree. Another one got caught with guns and meth....


oy vei.

[Henri Gaudier]

Personally I'm not sure why people hate the Jews.

Hello Darkwing - Out of interest - what was the remark that prompted you to make this statement?

[iShater]

Muslim immigration isn't a large-scale problem in America. I'm more concerned with another culture of failure invading us. (A lot of that comes from within as well.)


You mean like how the US and the UK invaded Iraq? :rolleyes:

I'd leave judging other cultures out of it please. Comparing the recent political decay of this century is like saying the Middle Ages of Europe are the standard for comparing all of Western civilization.

To stay ON TOPIC, I think we will see many more of these plots, whether by people who can do it or cannot. This is the sad, but I fear is true. There are some people who REALLY don't want him to win.

[bradl]

To stay ON TOPIC, I think we will see many more of these plots, whether by people who can do it or cannot. This is the sad, but I fear is true. There are some people who REALLY don't want him to win.

Very true, unfortunately. A lot of it has to do with the same reasons that King, Anin, and Bhutto, was killed: FEAR. Some just can't handle the fact that their backwards views and philosophies won't work in today's society. What I find funny is that a country like South Africa (which is slightly larger than California) can have presidents of different races, and everyone happy about it, yet absolutely stupid people here can't (or don't) know how to handle it... :confused:

BL.

[EricNau]

I'm afraid this won't be the last assassination plot we hear about.
And that is universally true, no matter which nominee is elected. McCain certainly isn't immune either; no president (or nominee) ever will be.

[mactastic]

And that is universally true, no matter which nominee is elected. McCain certainly isn't immune either; no president (or nominee) ever will be.
Bush did a pretty good job of immunizing himself from assassination with his VP selection...

[MacNut]

Bush did a pretty good job of immunizing himself from assassination with his VP selection...Well he never went hunting with him did he.;)

[darkwing]

Hello Darkwing - Out of interest - what was the remark that prompted you to make this statement?

Henri, you mentioned that you didn't think the story would have been printed if the numbers were about Jews instead of Muslims. So I started thinking about if France would be upset in these cases. I did cause the thread to go a bit off topic, however, and so we should move this discussion elsewhere! Sorry to all.

[Don't panic]

The Torygraph is a right-wing rag and the piece is four years old. Choose your sources with more care.

uh-oh.
then there are only 21 years left. better stock up on your Châteauneuf-du-Pape.

[skunk]

uh-oh.
then there are only 21 years left. better stock up on your Châteauneuf-du-Pape.Better make that Châteauneuf-du-Ayatollah.

[iJohnHenry]

So, was there an FBI press conference this afternoon, or not???

[Ntombi]

What I find funny is that a country like South Africa (which is slightly larger than California) can have presidents of different races, and everyone happy about it, yet absolutely stupid people here can't (or don't) know how to handle it... :confused:

BL.You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding.

[Cleverboy]

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding.Didn't you get the memo? It's all love in South Africa. ;)

~ CB

[Lord Blackadder]

Didn't you get the memo? It's all love in South Africa. ;)

They just express their love in a violent, bloodthirsty way, that's all. :rolleyes:

[Rodimus Prime]

If it was not for the fact that Obama is African American would this even be news.

Part of me wants to say it is the media making a much bigger deal than it really is. I always question if there have been plots at bush that the media just does not bother airing because they can not make it seem controversial

[Dmac77]

I hate the man, everything he stands for, and everything he is trying to do, but I wouldn't want him dead. I would however like him to loose the election.

Don

[skunk]

I hate the man, everything he stands for, and everything he is trying to do, but I wouldn't want him dead. I would however like him to loose the election.So, character assassination only, then?

[Dmac77]

So, character assassination only, then?

No, People should just realize that he is the antichrist, and will just end up hurting the US. And don't go and assume that I support McCain. If I could vote I would vote for Paris Hilton before I would vote for John McCain. Now Mitt Romney or a third Bush term is a different story.

Don

[Cromulent]

Still, nothing on the UK.

At least we follow EU directorates that you (the French) worked to get implemented, and then you consistently ignore. The French seem to be the most hypocritical nation in Europe claiming they are all for European integration yet they consistently ignore EU rulings and regulations.

/rant over.

No, People should just realize that he is the antichrist

Well that's another thread down the pan then.

[Dmac77]

At least we follow EU directorates that you (the French) worked to get implemented, and then you consistently ignore. The French seem to be the most hypocritical nation in Europe claiming they are all for European integration yet they consistently ignore EU rulings and regulations.

/rant over.



Well that's another thread down the pan then.

I'm afraid not. I just wish to say that the man is pure evil, and he is nothing but bad news.

Don

[Cromulent]

I'm afraid not. I just wish to say that the man is pure evil, and he is nothing but bad news.

Don

No one is pure evil. Even Hitler had some good points.

[Dmac77]

No one is pure evil. Even Hitler had some good points.

Obama is the exception.

EDIT: Now who's making the controversial statements (although I do agree he was a military genius).

Don

[thebassoonist]

Here in Utah I mostly see whites and occasionally some hispanics.

Just a little shout out to darkwing! And, yes, mostly white people here in Ootah.

[Cromulent]

Obama is the exception.

EDIT: Now who's making the controversial statements (although I do agree he was a military genius).

Don

Self fulfilling prophecy :).

[Ntombi]

"Pure evil" and "the antichrist."

Oy.

Where's that Picard jpeg? :rolleyes:

[Dmac77]

"Pure evil" and "the antichrist."

Oy.

Where's that Picard jpeg? :rolleyes:
found it for you. Although, I did say that I don't wish him dead, but I do disagree with his policies and I personally think he would be a very bad thing for the US. Yes I realize I'm dissing myself by posting the picture.
131996

Don

[Ntombi]

found it for you. Although, I did say that I don't wish him dead, but I do disagree with his policies and I personally think he would be a very bad thing for the US. Yes I realize I'm dissing myself by posting the picture.
Don
Thanks for finding the pic.

Yes, I understand that you don't want him dead, but if you really think he's "pure evil" and "the antichrist," why wouldn't you want him dead? See, that's where I'm lost. I completely disagree with almost every single policy stance of W. I can't stand what he stands for or what he's done to my country.

But I don't think he's pure evil.

I can really count in the single digits the people I would consider truly evil, and they would be more like the Pol Pots, the Idi Amins, the Hitlers, and those of that ilk.

What about Barack Obama makes him evil by your definition?

[Dmac77]

Thanks for finding the pic.

Yes, I understand that you don't want him dead, but if you really think he's "pure evil" and "the antichrist," why wouldn't you want him dead? See, that's where I'm lost. I completely disagree with almost every single policy stance of W. I can't stand what he stands for or what he's done to my country.

But I don't think he's pure evil.

I can really count in the single digits the people I would consider truly evil, and they would be more like the Pol Pots, the Idi Amins, the Hitlers, and those of that ilk.

What about Barack Obama makes him evil by your definition?

1. I don't wish anyone dead, except my mother when she grounds me from my iMac and that's only temporary (a few hours then I get over it)

2. It's fine that you have that opinion of W., I personally think he is one of the best presidents that this country has ever seen, he only falls behind Reagan and Nixon on my list (don't say anything about nixon every politician does what he did, he just got caught).

3. IMO Obama is going to open this country to the terrorists again. He'll also ruin the economy, and tax every middle class family to the streets to pay for all of his "progresive" ideas.

Don

[Ntombi]

1. I don't wish anyone dead, except my mother when she grounds me from my iMac and that's only temporary (a few hours then I get over it)

2. It's fine that you have that opinion of W., I personally think he is one of the best presidents that this country has ever seen, he only falls behind Reagan and Nixon on my list (don't say anything about nixon every politician does what he did, he just got caught).

3. IMO Obama is going to open this country to the terrorists again. He'll also ruin the economy, and tax every middle class family to the streets to pay for all of his "progresive" ideas.

Don
So that means you think he'll be a bad president.

I'm trying to get to the evil part.


Or was it just hyperbole? If so, admit that, and let it go. If not, please explain it better.

[Dmac77]

So that means you think he'll be a bad president.

I'm trying to get to the evil part.


Or was it just hyperbole? If so, admit that, and let it go. If not, please explain it better.

May have been a little hyperbole:o, bur still I have an issue with him because he acts as if he is entitled to the presidency.

Don

[Cromulent]

bur still I have an issue with him because he acts as if he is entitled to the presidency.

Don

He is entitled to the presidency though. That is a fact, whether he gets the presidency or not is another matter.

[Dmac77]

He is entitled to the presidency though. That is a fact, whether he gets the presidency or not is another matter.

How is he entitled to it? No one is born to be president, but Obama acts like "My name is Barack Obama, and I'm entitled to the presidency. If you don't agree with me your playing the race card."

Don

[Cromulent]

How is he entitled to it? No one is born to be president, but Obama acts like "My name is Barack Obama, and I'm entitled to the presidency. If you don't agree with me your playing the race card."

Don

entitle |enˈtītl|
verb [ trans. ] (usu. be entitled)
1 give (someone) a legal right or a just claim to receive or do something : employees are normally entitled to severance pay | [ trans. ] the landlord is entitled to require references.

He is entitled because he is a US citizen.

[leekohler]

How is he entitled to it? No one is born to be president, but Obama acts like "My name is Barack Obama, and I'm entitled to the presidency. If you don't agree with me your playing the race card."

Don

Anyone born in this country is entitled to become President, whether or not they can get voted in is entirely another matter.

1. I don't wish anyone dead, except my mother when she grounds me from my iMac and that's only temporary (a few hours then I get over it)

2. It's fine that you have that opinion of W., I personally think he is one of the best presidents that this country has ever seen, he only falls behind Reagan and Nixon on my list (don't say anything about nixon every politician does what he did, he just got caught).

3. IMO Obama is going to open this country to the terrorists again. He'll also ruin the economy, and tax every middle class family to the streets to pay for all of his "progresive" ideas.

Don

Excuse me? OK, first of all, you're going to have to tell me what's so great about Bush. And that's something no Bush fanatic can say with any sort of honesty whatsoever. This country is in the crapper, and talking about how great this guy is? Let's see:

1. The economy is terrible and people are losing their homes at an alarming rate.
2. Iraq is still a mess. And we never should have invaded in the first place, as it never had anything to do with 9/11 or terrorism. I have a cousin over their right now and have had other friends and family there in the past. NOT ONE has come back and said it was worth it.
3. When our soldiers do come back, they're neglected. Bush won't even give our guys a raise.

As for your Obama points, I don't know where you get your info, but if you consider people making over $225,000 a year middle class, I've got some nice Florida property if you're interested. Obama has always specifically stated he would not raise taxes on the middle class. I know, I know...he doesn't have an "R" after his name. :rolleyes: And I can't believe you honestly think that anyone running for President is going to just open the borders and let terrorists in. That's just plain ignorant.

[yg17]

You're 14. You're too young to know anything about politics other than what your parents and Fox News tell you. So I'd stop talking before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole

[Ntombi]

You're 14. You're too young to know anything about politics other than what your parents and Fox News tell you. So I'd stop talking before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole
That's not fair.

At fourteen I had very well-developed political ideas, and Dmac77 has as much right to express his (wrong ;)) views as anyone else. Using age alone to dismiss someone's viewpoint isn't valid. Use logic instead.

[Dmac77]

Anyone born in this country is entitled to become President, whether or not they can get voted in is entirely another matter.



Excuse me? OK, first of all, you're going to have to tell me what's so great about Bush. And that's something no Bush fanatic can say with any sort of honesty whatsoever. This country is in the crapper, and talking about how great this guy is? Let's see:

1. The economy is terrible and people are losing their homes at an alarming rate.
2. Iraq is still a mess. And we never should have invaded in the first place, as it never had anything to do with 9/11 or terrorism. I have a cousin over their right now and have had other friends and family there in the past. NOT ONE has come back and said it was worth it.
3. When our soldiers do come back, they're neglected. Bush won't even give our guys a raise.

As for your Obama points, I don't know where you get your info, but if you consider people making over $225,000 a year middle class, I've got some nice Florida property if you're interested. Obama has always specifically stated he would not raise taxes on the middle class. I know, I know...he doesn't have an "R" after his name. :rolleyes: And I can't believe you honestly think that anyone running for President is going to just open the borders and let terrorists in. That's just plain ignorant.

1. How is it Bush's fault that people were stupid enough to sign a contract for mortgages that were obvious rip-offs?

2. I'll be the first to admit that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, but were in, and we can't just leave the country in shambles. We can't do did to Afghanistan after the cold war ended.

3. I agree with you. My cousin who joined the Marines right out of high school got shot in Iraq, when he got home he got outed, and was dishonorably discharged and lost any benefits he would have gotten from the GI bill.

But I can say that the Bush administration has done more then the Clinton administration did to find Bin Laden. And that is enough for me to support Bush with.

You're 14. You're too young to know anything about politics other than what your parents and Fox News tell you. So I'd stop talking before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole
FYI, both of my parents are registered democrats. I know a hell of a lot more about politics then most adults do.

Don

PS-

Thank you for defending me Ntombi:)

[yg17]

That's not fair.

At fourteen I had very well-developed political ideas, and Dmac77 has as much right to express his (wrong ;)) views as anyone else. Using age alone to dismiss someone's viewpoint isn't valid. Use logic instead.


There's no logical way to say Bush and Reagan are the best presidents we've had. I think he dismisses his own viewpoint as invalid ;)

[Henri Gaudier]

At least we follow EU directorates that you (the French) worked to get implemented, and then you consistently ignore. The French seem to be the most hypocritical nation in Europe claiming they are all for European integration yet they consistently ignore EU rulings and regulations.

/rant over.
.

I said Britain is a very authoritarian country and you respond by saying "at least we obey!" Hilarious. Obedience is suicide:p Seriously though ... don't believe it. France is portrayed as country of radicals but the reality is that it's a land of rules and regulations, many more than the UK and the system of bureaucracy loves to expand as it's more work and taxes for the state. I think you probably read the right wing, anti-european press too.

I read today that Gordon Brown is at the middle of an assassination plot too. Poor dear - he just wants to feel important.;)

[Dmac77]

There's no logical way to say Bush and Reagan are the best presidents we've had. I think he dismisses his own viewpoint as invalid ;)

Actually my list goes in this order:

1. Richard Nixon

2. Ronald Reagan

3. George W. Bush

...

41. John Kennedy

42. Jimmy (Peanut Head) Carter

43. Bill Clinton (I can't blame him for having the affair with Monica, after all who would want Hillary *shudders*)

Don

PS-

How did I dismiss my own viewpoint? Bye the way, it's kind of funny that your acting so threatened... after all I'm only a stupid 14 year old.:rolleyes:

[yg17]

Actually my list goes in this order:

1. Richard Nixon

2. Ronald Reagan

3. George W. Bush

...

41. John Kennedy

42. Jimmy (Peanut Head) Carter

43. Bill Clinton (I can't blame him for having the affair with Monica, after all who would want Hillary *shudders*)

Don

PS-

How did I dismiss my own viewpoint? Bye the way, it's kind of funny that your acting so threatened... after all I'm only a stupid 14 year old.:rolleyes:

Nixon? That's even worse......and I'm not threatened since you can't vote. It's people like you who can vote who threaten me.

[Dmac77]

Nixon? That's even worse......and I'm not threatened since you can't vote. It's people like you who can vote who threaten me.

Well you know, I just can't wait for 2012. And if your not threatened by me why do you feel the need to continue respond to posts by a stupid 14 year old. Oh wait, your trying to win a fight with a 14 year old, you know you aren't going to win, right? I hope you know that.

Don

[Much Ado]

A 14-year old who believes Obama is the antichrist. My word.

And Hitler a military genius... am I imagining these posts?

Glad he can't wait for the Olympics, though.

[Dmac77]

A 14-year old who believes Obama is the antichrist. My word.

And Hitler a military genius... am I imagining these posts?

If you would have continued reading, you would have noticed that I retracted my antichrist statement. And as to the Hitler comment, he was a military genius, but otherwise the man was an inhuman monster that had major issues (and that is an understatement). You'll also notice that I wasn't the only one that made a comment that could be wrongly perceived as praising Adolf Hitler.

Don

EDIT: Why must people be smart asses? *sigh*

[Much Ado]

I was under the impression that the Nazis failed largely due to Hitler's ignorance, stubbornness and interference towards military matters in the war. A military genius, he certainly did not seem to be. Quite the reverse.

This is besides the point, but as you know best, I'm interested in your reasoning.

[Cromulent]

I said Britain is a very authoritarian country and you respond by saying "at least we obey!" Hilarious. Obedience is suicide:p

Hardly, France is well known for being advocates for the most authoritarian and unreasonable EU policies. That is why it has such a bad reputation in the UK.

If you actually followed through with something instead of just trying get something implemented because you think it should be maybe peoples attitude of Europe would be different (when I say you, I am of course referring to France and not yourself personally :)).

I'd be more interested in why you think Britain is an authoritarian country when France has reputation (well deserved or not) for a lot of social control.

I think you probably read the right wing, anti-european press too.

Not really. When I do read the paper I read the Financial Times.

[Dmac77]

I was under the impression that the Nazis failed largely due to Hitler's ignorance, stubbornness and interference towards military matters in the war. A military genius, he certainly did not seem to be. Quite the reverse.

This is besides the point, but as you know best, I'm interested in your reasoning.
If Hitler hadn't developed a nasty addiction to methamphetamines and cocaine, the Nazis would have won the war, and we would all be saying "Hail Hitler". Fortunately for humanity he did develop those addictions.

Don

[bbotte]

Skin heads trying to get publicity, I bet they were not going to do anything of the sort.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/26/obama.threat/index.html

As I said above, Man this thread is way off topic.

[Much Ado]

You haven't explained your military genius comments.

EDIT: You know what, forget it. I don't have time for this.

[yg17]

Well you know, I just can't wait for 2012. And if your not threatened by me why do you feel the need to continue respond to posts by a stupid 14 year old. Oh wait, your trying to win a fight with a 14 year old, you know you aren't going to win, right? I hope you know that.

Don

Oh I know I can win. Let me ask you this, if you like bush for going after Bin Laden, then why has he said he doesn't care about Bin Laden anymore? Why has he pulled resources out of Afghanistan where Bin Laden might be, to put them in Iraq where Bin Laden is definitely not in? Why has he been kissing Pakistan's ass instead of being more aggressive with them when Bin Laden could very well be on the Pakistani side of the Afghanistan/Pakistan border? Why didn't the Bush adminstration do anything to find Bin Laden before 9/11, especially after receiving a CIA memo titled "Bin Laden determined to attack within the US"? The Bush administration has not done one god damn thing to find Bin Laden and neither will a McCain administration.

[Dmac77]

You haven't explained your military genius comments.

EDIT: You know what, forget it. I don't have time for this.
The man managed to overtake nearly all of Europe If he hadn't been whacked out on drugs he would have known not to invade Russia in the dead of winter.

Oh I know I can win. Let me ask you this, if you like bush for going after Bin Laden, then why has he said he doesn't care about Bin Laden anymore? Why has he pulled resources out of Afghanistan where Bin Laden might be, to put them in Iraq where Bin Laden is definitely not in? Why has he been kissing Pakistan's ass instead of being more aggressive with them when Bin Laden could very well be on the Pakistani side of the Afghanistan/Pakistan border? Why didn't the Bush adminstration do anything to find Bin Laden before 9/11, especially after receiving a CIA memo titled "Bin Laden determined to attack within the US"? The Bush administration has not done one god damn thing to find Bin Laden and neither will a McCain administration.
No you won't win, because even if my logic makes no sense, I will not give one point to you, unless you can talk my mother into grounding me from the computer I will not give. Just thought that you might want to know that.

So show me one statement that was made by George Bush where he said that he is no longer concerned about finding Bin Laden. If you can I'll eat myself.

Afghanistan- "might be" is the key phrase.

Saddam was a genocidal bastard, that had used chemical weapons before, and we have found chemical weapons that could have been used againt Israel, a key ally.

Now that that idiot Musharef is out, maybe Bush will put soem pressure on Pakistan.

Bush was a little busy cleaning the stains up from the carpet in the oval office that Clinton left behind, (Billy just wasn't satisfied with ruining a dress).

Don
And look at my listing of presidents again. Bush is only third on my list.

[gibbz]

So show me one statement that was made by George Bush where he said that he is no longer concerned about finding Bin Laden. If you can I'll eat myself.



Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMVdh8vdJfs&feature=related)

[yg17]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMVdh8vdJfs

[Dmac77]

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMVdh8vdJfs&feature=related)
I hate you:mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMVdh8vdJfs
And you:mad:

Don

[leekohler]

So show me one statement that was made by George Bush where he said that he is no longer concerned about finding Bin Laden. If you can I'll eat myself.


Well, you've been shown. Which part are you going to eat first?

I hate you:mad:

And you:mad:

Don

You were wrong dude. Get over it. Bush is possibly the worst president in US history. If you really want to hate us, you should hear what Condi said about terrorism when they first got in the WH. Here you go:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0326-10.htm

[yg17]

You hate us? You should be hating the schmuck in the video. Grow up.


I'm done for now, I have to get to work...something I bet you thought us lib'rullz didn't do, right?

[gibbz]

I hate you:mad:

Don

Hope you brought some salt and ketchup when you eat yourself.

BTW, I am a registered Republican who will be voting for Obama. I do appreciate Bush's proactive intentions in regards to terrorism, but there are more things to being a President than tough military stances. IMO, Bush has led our country astray due to his myopic drive against terrorism, sacrificing other things such as our economy and foreign relations.

Based on his record, OTHER THAN HIS FIGHT ON TERROR, what has Bush done that makes you rank him 3rd? Give me examples.

[yg17]

Mmmmm......I love the smell of sweet ownage in the morning

Now back to work....

[leekohler]

I'm done for now, I have to get to work...something I bet you thought us lib'rullz didn't do, right?

It's "librools"- get your Limbaugh terms spelled right. ;)

[gibbz]

It's "librools"- get your Limbaugh terms spelled right. ;)

Wonder if Limbaugh learned to spell "liberals" while strung out on oxycontin (http://radio.weblogs.com/0135731/images/2004/12/20/snl.jpg). :)

[Dmac77]

Hope you brought some salt and ketchup when you eat yourself.

BTW, I am a registered Republican who will be voting for Obama. I do appreciate Bush's proactive intentions in regards to terrorism, but there are more things to being a President than tough military stances. IMO, Bush has led our country astray due to his myopic drive against terrorism, sacrificing other things such as our economy and foreign relations.

Based on his record, OTHER THAN HIS FIGHT ON TERROR, what has Bush done that makes you rank him 3rd? Give me examples.
He was able to bring the economy back fro the horror that was clintonomics. The economy is beginning to slump again because Pelosi and her cronies retook congress. Also I would have enormous respect for anyone that would have led the country through 9/11, even if it was Gore.

I will get my revenge:mad:
Mmmmm......I love the smell of sweet ownage in the morning

Now back to work....
I will get my revenge:mad:

It's "librools"- get your Limbaugh terms spelled right. ;)

Wonder if Limbaugh learned to spell "liberals" while strung out on oxycontin (http://radio.weblogs.com/0135731/images/2004/12/20/snl.jpg). :)

Leave Rush alone. He's one of my my role-models, and I have enormous respect for him. He just had a rough patch.

Don

Don

[leekohler]

He was able to bring the economy back fro the horror that was clintonomics. The economy is beginning to slump again because Pelosi and her cronies retook congress.


What? You do realize that Clinton balanced the budget and we had a huge surplus as well. Bush has run up our national debt so high that it can see heaven. the economy has been mostly bad his entire term. It's very clear to me now that you haven't lived through very many administrations. Get your facts straight before you come in here.

[iShater]

OMG! Did someone just say Rush was his role model? :eek: :D

Wake Up America! :D :p

[Dmac77]

What? You do realize that Clinton balanced the budget and we had a huge surplus as well. Bush has run up our national debt so high that it can see heaven. the economy has been mostly bad his entire term. It's very clear to me now that you haven't lived through very many administrations. Get your facts straight before you come in here.

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine, but then within a few months of a republican taking office after a democrat the economy falls into recession? I'm 99% sure that had clinton never taken office and Republicans had been in office while he was, we never would have entered this recession. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I swear to god that the democrats sabotage the economy so that it falters when a republican takes office.

Don

[Schtumple]

Does every PRSI thread have to turn into a petty argument, seriously, this is pathetic...

Back on topic...

I heard on the radio yesterday, when the guys were released it was because they didn't pose a threat, but they had a sniper rifle, seems a bit strange that people with sniper rifles "aren't a threat" to a politician...

But this was Channel 5 "60 second news", so proper facts could've been omitted... :rolleyes:

[gibbz]

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine, but then within a few months of a republican taking office after a democrat the economy falls into recession? I'm 99% sure that had clinton never taken office and Republicans had been in office while he was, we never would have entered this recession. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I swear to god that the democrats sabotage the economy so that it falters when a republican takes office.

Don

I think you solved your own problem. It is funny that you are such an "expert" on Clinton yet you were only ~six when Clinton left office. Most of what you base your opinion on Clinton is what others have told you, as evident from your objections to him. I think Clinton was one of the best Presidents in recent history. As leekohler said, Clinton balanced the budget and we had a nice surplus. Now I understand that Bush wasn't dealt a good hand right off the bat with 9/11, but his policies have done nothing to improve the economy. It was in trouble long before Pelosi took over congress, as much as I dislike her.

I think it funny that you earlier said

He was able to bring the economy back fro the horror that was clintonomics.
but in this post you say that

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine So your assertion is that the economy under Clinton seemed fine, but then when Bush took over and his policies hurt the economy, that the failure was setup by Clinton? That makes no sense.

[gibbz]

Does every PRSI thread have to turn into a petty argument, seriously, this is pathetic...

Back on topic...

I heard on the radio yesterday, when the guys were released it was because they didn't pose a threat, but they had a sniper rifle, seems a bit strange that people with sniper rifles "aren't a threat" to a politician...

But this was Channel 5 "60 second news", so proper facts could've been omitted... :rolleyes:

Yeah, that seems a bit strange to me as well. I heard the same. It makes me a bit nervous as we head into the election. Obama, based on what walls he is breaking down, is polarizing to a (disappointingly) large group of white America. I hope that he avoids any fanatics trying to take him out.

[leekohler]

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine, but then within a few months of a republican taking office after a democrat the economy falls into recession? I'm 99% sure that had clinton never taken office and Republicans had been in office while he was, we never would have entered this recession. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I swear to god that the democrats sabotage the economy so that it falters when a republican takes office.

Don

Please- for the love of God, do your research before you come in here. You haven't provided one shred of evidence for your ridiculous claims. Then go take an economics class. Please.

[iShater]

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine, but then within a few months of a republican taking office after a democrat the economy falls into recession? I'm 99% sure that had clinton never taken office and Republicans had been in office while he was, we never would have entered this recession. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I swear to god that the democrats sabotage the economy so that it falters when a republican takes office.

Don

The economy runs in cycles, but although Republicans talk about trimming the budget, they always seem to overspend. Could be the wars they keep dragging us to.



I heard on the radio yesterday, when the guys were released it was because they didn't pose a threat, but they had a sniper rifle, seems a bit strange that people with sniper rifles "aren't a threat" to a politician...


Cause you need a certain IQ to operate it :p

[Henri Gaudier]

I'd be more interested in why you think Britain is an authoritarian country when France has reputation (well deserved or not) for a lot of social control.
.

It's okay .. I'm Breton and as such we're occupied by France. As to why authoritarian - listening CCTV cameras with speakers and face recognition, on buses, trains, the metro, residential streets, overt and covert. CCTV spy drones flying over certain areas. DNA database of the innocent, children etc. These samples are used to research peoples genetic proclivity towards crime and what measures can be taken to combat future crime. The UK National system of car matriculation plate readers to log activity and location of all road users. Keeping of GPS records of mobile phones, proposed satellite tracking of every car, every households e-mails, websites visited to be kept etc etc. How anti terrorism laws are used against ordinary people over suspicions of breaking the law on school catchment areas etc. The British Government does not believe in free will. It believes everyone is a threat and so everyone will be investigated before they have a chance to commit a crime. This turns the received wisdom on it's head. This is a fact. I saw Lord Falconer say it in a serious documentary. Of course all these ideas are now here in europe too but in France at least I believe it to be by British influence. After the murder of an English school girl the tiny DNA database was given much more money and emphasis and with CCTV Sarko and his goblin serfdom were very impressed with how you could watch the London Bombers in action as it were. Immediately after, he got CCTV through. I have never seen a public camera in Bretagne but they're going to come. I found this (In English) to show the sorry state were in. http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd%5B347%5D=x-347-559597

NB the finding - The worst ranking EU country is the United Kingdom, which again fell into the "black" category along with Russia and Singapore.

[mactastic]

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine, but then within a few months of a republican taking office after a democrat the economy falls into recession? I'm 99% sure that had clinton never taken office and Republicans had been in office while he was, we never would have entered this recession. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I swear to god that the democrats sabotage the economy so that it falters when a republican takes office.

Don
Wow... just -- wow. Blaming Democrats for sabotaging the economy? That's almost as out there as claiming that Bush was in on 9/11.

So what would have happened if Gore had been installed as president? Would Clinton have defused the economic time-bomb he set up just for Bush?

[iJohnHenry]

Does every PRSI thread have to turn into a petty argument, seriously, this is pathetic...

Back on topic...

Bless your house, and all that reside within. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g158/MouseMeat/Smilies/blessyou.png

I pulled this up just now (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/27/usa.barackobama?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront). I guess it really is true, if you want something done right, do it yourself. :p

[zap2]

So what would have happened if Gore had been installed as president? Would Clinton have defused the economic time-bomb he set up just for Bush?


Al Gore had a code to stop Clinton's plan...they planned this all out. Duh!!

[bigandy]

Does every PRSI thread have to turn into a petty argument

I thought that was the point of the PRSI?
:rolleyes:

[Cromulent]

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine, but then within a few months of a republican taking office after a democrat the economy falls into recession?

Hahaha. I think that says more about the republicans don't you? :)

[Schtumple]

I thought that was the point of the PRSI?
:rolleyes:

I know, I can see it in threads that make a slur against some candidate, but come on, this didn't slur anyone, but it still managed to turn into a shouting match.... I guess some people can't help but start a flame war...

[Unspeaked]

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine, but then within a few months of a republican taking office after a democrat the economy falls into recession?

Yeah, like the sputtering economy we had back when the first Bush took office following those eight years of Reagan - the consummate Democrat - in office.

Or the growth we saw in the early 80s after that wily Republican Carter left office.

Hmm, wait a minute...

[Don't panic]

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine, but then within a few months of a republican taking office after a democrat the economy falls into recession? I'm 99% sure that had clinton never taken office and Republicans had been in office while he was, we never would have entered this recession. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I swear to god that the democrats sabotage the economy so that it falters when a republican takes office.

Don
wow.


with you permission, i would like to make this my sig for a while.
i would credit you, of course.

[Cleverboy]

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine, but then within a few months of a republican taking office after a democrat the economy falls into recession? I'm 99% sure that had clinton never taken office and Republicans had been in office while he was, we never would have entered this recession. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I swear to god that the democrats sabotage the economy so that it falters when a republican takes office. Your example sounds like the conclusion of a conspiracy theorist and not a believer in the triumph of reason. It's like watching an apple fall to the ground when it grows to full size, and concluding that its not succumbing to gravity, but that there is some dark conspiracy between the tree and the ground.

Ever heard of Occam's razor?

National Debt Chart: Republican vs.
Democratic Presidents
http://flickr.com/photos/35375732@N00/2235223387/

An Analysis of the Presidents Who
Are Responsible for the Borrowing
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
Since 1938 the Democrats have held the White house for 35 years, the Republicans for 34. Over that time the national debt has increased at an average annual rate of 8.7%. In years Democrats were in the White House there was an average increase of 8.3%. In years the Republicans ran the White House the debt increased an average 9.7% per year. Those averages aren’t that far apart, but they do show a bias toward more borrowing by Republicans than Democrats even including World War II. When President Bush II came into office in 2001 he quickly turned all that progress around. With the help of a Republican controlled Congress he immediately gave a massive tax cut based on a failed economic policy; perhaps an economic fantasy describes it better. The last year Mr. Clinton was in office the nation borrowed 18 billion dollars. The first year Mr. Bush II was in office he had to borrow 133 billion[8]. The first tax cut Bush pushed through a willing Republican Congress caused an upswing in government borrowing that was supposed to stimulate the economy, but two years later Bush had to push through yet another tax cut. The second tax cut was needed because it was clear that the first one did not work. Economic history tells us the second did not work either. As a result of all his tax cutting with no cutting in spending, in 2003 President Bush set a record for the biggest single yearly dollar increase in debt in the nation’s history. He did it again in 2004, increasing the debt more than half a trillion dollars.Makes you WANT TO CRY.

Be careful you're not listening to guys like this:
http://www.joelcomm.com/united_states_deficit_falls_ta.html
October 16, 2005 11:52 AM by Joel Comm
In news that has the left side of the aisle stunned, the President's economic policies are validated once again as the Federal Government reports INCREASES in tax revenue that have caused a decrease in the U.S. fiscal deficit. This is great news for Americans and Conservatives who understand the relationship between lower taxes and economic boom. Think about this. Under this Presidency, we have suffered two incredibly devastating tragedies. And yet, America is STRONG!In a word. FOOL. We're falling into a recession after 8 YEARS of Bush. This isn't Bush's first year with a sabbotaged economy. Do the numbers.

~ CB

[whooleytoo]

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine, but then within a few months of a republican taking office after a democrat the economy falls into recession? I'm 99% sure that had clinton never taken office and Republicans had been in office while he was, we never would have entered this recession. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I swear to god that the democrats sabotage the economy so that it falters when a republican takes office.

Don

No, you're not. No one can be that sure about anything in an economy as large and complex as in the US.

It is an interesting theory though.. if the economy is strong under Democrat rule and weak under Republican; blame the Democrats. We've had 8 years of Republican presidency now, and it's STILL the Democrats fault for the economy? Just how many terms do the Republicans need before they can actually improve things?

I'll say one thing for the Republicans, they may well keep tax lower than the Democrats. Pretty easy to do, when you achieve it through sending your national debt spiralling to its highest in the history of your nation..

[solvs]

1. I don't wish anyone dead, except my mother when she grounds me from my iMac and that's only temporary (a few hours then I get over it)
You sound very immature.

2. It's fine that you have that opinion of W., I personally think he is one of the best presidents that this country has ever seen, he only falls behind Reagan and Nixon on my list (don't say anything about nixon every politician does what he did, he just got caught).
:eek: What!?! :confused: You can't honestly been saying this. You just can't.

3. IMO Obama is going to open this country to the terrorists again. He'll also ruin the economy, and tax every middle class family to the streets to pay for all of his "progresive" ideas.
No he won't. None of those things are true. Bush has been a disaster in the WOT, Obama has been right about it almost the entire time. Bush has ruined the economy. What part of that aren't you getting? Obama's plans are to reduce taxes on the middle class, but I guess we can let McCain further increase the deficit and continue screwing up the economy the way Bush has.

1. How is it Bush's fault that people were stupid enough to sign a contract for mortgages that were obvious rip-offs?
Because the people he hired to oversee such things actually stopped a lot of local governments from being able to enforce the rules already in place to stop them from being screwed. Threatened, among other things, to take away their gov funding. Spitzer wrote about it before he was caught in another Hookergate. Not to mention all of the safe guards people like Graham (who was McCain's main economic adviser, who's entire plan is based on what he wrote) helped to remove. Same with the restrictions he helped remove about oil speculation.

2. I'll be the first to admit that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, but were in, and we can't just leave the country in shambles. We can't do did to Afghanistan after the cold war ended.
Or what we're currently doing to Afghanistan. Or that we already have Iraq in shambles. Obama has a plan to do a phased withdrawal, which Bush has now pretty much taken, so if you think he's just going to irresponsibly pull us out immediately, you really don't know what you're talking about. BTW, remind me who was in charge when we left Afghanistan early the first time. :rolleyes:

3. I agree with you. My cousin who joined the Marines right out of high school got shot in Iraq, when he got home he got outed, and was dishonorably discharged and lost any benefits he would have gotten from the GI bill.
Yet you still support Bush and the GOP.

But I can say that the Bush administration has done more then the Clinton administration did to find Bin Laden. And that is enough for me to support Bush with.
Swing and a miss.

FYI, both of my parents are registered democrats. I know a hell of a lot more about politics then most adults do.
That's nothing to brag about, since most adults don't know much about politics. But from what we're reading, neither do you apparently, despite thinking you do. I'm guessing since you're parents are both Dems, and you seem to have some anger issues, you're merely rebelling.

No you won't win, because even if my logic makes no sense, I will not give one point to you, unless you can talk my mother into grounding me from the computer I will not give. Just thought that you might want to know that.
:confused: If that's your argument, you've already lost.

So show me one statement that was made by George Bush where he said that he is no longer concerned about finding Bin Laden. If you can I'll eat myself.
So how do you taste?

Saddam was a genocidal bastard, that had used chemical weapons before, and we have found chemical weapons that could have been used againt Israel, a key ally.
No we haven't, and most of those crimes we charged him with were done when he was our ally.

Now that that idiot Musharef is out, maybe Bush will put soem pressure on Pakistan.
He hasn't and he won't.

Bush was a little busy cleaning the stains up from the carpet in the oval office that Clinton left behind, (Billy just wasn't satisfied with ruining a dress).
Like what?

And look at my listing of presidents again. Bush is only third on my list.
Your other 2 weren't very good either. Read more about them, maybe you'd see that. Some of us were there for 1 or both, and actually do know quite a few legitimate reasons to dislike Bush too. From reading your posts, there's a reason why it seems we're talking down to you.

I hate you:mad:

And you:mad:

Don
Real mature. :rolleyes:

He was able to bring the economy back fro the horror that was clintonomics.
No he wasn't. :confused: And the economy was good under Clinton. That was one of the few things good about him. The economy has gone from good to bad to worse under Bush. If you were out here in the real world, you'd see that.

The economy is beginning to slump again because Pelosi and her cronies retook congress.
A slight majority that is constantly being overrided by the other side and the President, in less than 2 years? Sure, that's it. It's all the Dems fault. This hasn't been a long time coming at all. Unless a Dem was President, then it would be all their fault. Ok. :rolleyes:

Also I would have enormous respect for anyone that would have led the country through 9/11, even if it was Gore.
By invading another country that had nothing to do with it, practically ignoring the country and people who were, and turning an overwhelming majority approval, even worldwide, to an overwhelming disapproval?

I will get my revenge:mad:

I will get my revenge:mad:
Again, really mature.

Leave Rush alone. He's one of my my role-models, and I have enormous respect for him. He just had a rough patch.
Unless he was a Democrat, then he'd be an evil hippy drugged out liberal.

Have you seriously not noticed the trend of when a democrat is in office the economy SEEMS to be fine, but then within a few months of a republican taking office after a democrat the economy falls into recession?
We notice and there's a reason for that. It's called spending more while taking in less. Something fiscal conservatives aren't supposed to do, but that's not what we really get. We get neocons. Why anyone would still support them when they do the exact opposite of what they promise regarding the economy is beyond me.

I'm 99% sure that had clinton never taken office and Republicans had been in office while he was, we never would have entered this recession.
Based on trends, we probably would have had even more of a deficit, and you would be wrong.

I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I swear to god that the democrats sabotage the economy so that it falters when a republican takes office.
Yeah, that does sound like a conspiracy theory, probably because it is.

Dear God, why do we always get these. This is supposed to be a forum where people have to be logical and give evidence. Sure, there's going to be some opinion, I do that too, but it should be based on fact. Not a 14 year old spouting stuff he heard on the radio that's easily disproved. No offense kid, but you might want to read up more on what's really going on if you don't see it for yourself. There is plenty to dislike about Obama that's legit, none of that was it. There's little to legitimately like about Bush. Seriously. We've tried.

Does every PRSI thread have to turn into a petty argument
Yes.


As for the plot to assassinate Obama, I've heard so many different stories, I'm not sure what to believe.

[Counterfit]

then I think it makes more sense to let him do what you think will damage the country so people will vote him out and remember instead of causing the nation to rally around him.
We tried that. He got re-elected. :(
(although I do agree he was a military genius).

Don
He pretty much lost the war for them, AND, the blitzkreig tactics weren't his idea.
But I can say that the Bush administration has done more then the Clinton administration did to find Bin Laden. And that is enough for me to support Bush with.
Please don't tell me you believe the "Clinton could have had him on a platter" story. The guy who said he could get bin Laden was LYING.
Al Gore had a code to stop Clinton's plan...they planned this all out. Duh!!
↑-↑-↓-↓-←-→-←-→-B-A-Start?
Bush has been a disaster in the WOT

Wide-open-throttle? :confused: