Resellers Getting Signals for a Wide Range of Apple Updates?

[MacRumors]

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While rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/25/apple-event-for-september-9th/) have focused on iPod Nano and iPod Touch updates as early as September 9th, the fate of the MacBook Pros and other updates have been less clear.

It appears, however, that Apple could be prepping for a wide range of product updates, with signals to at least some resellers to halt resupplies of Mac minis, MacBook Pros, iPods and even Cinema Displays.

Unfortunately, reseller signals can be misleading and could simply represent temporary supply shortages. Best Buy, for example, had shortages (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/07/18/apple-prepping-for-notebook-refresh/) of MacBooks towards the end of July.

Our buyer's guide (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/) does show that many of Apple's products are due for revision.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/26/resellers-getting-signals-for-a-wide-range-of-apple-updates/)

[Beric]

Go to bed Arn. ;)

Seriously, though, this is looking great. The resellers do seem to run out of Apple products near new releases.

[Romanesq]

Time to see what really sleek improvements made to the Macbook Pro and my intel mac mini is doing noble work but wants a sibling. :cool:

[Dmac77]

ooh, Arn... you forgot the "are" in the last sentence. Bad grammar is BAD:p

Seriously I can't wait till the 9th (crap I'll be in school again).

Don

[Beric]

ooh, Arn... you forgot the "are" in the last sentence. Bad grammar is BAD:p

It's 4AM for him in the east coast (1 AM here). He's got to be falling asleep at the keyboard. :p

EDIT: Make that east coast, not west coast. Maybe I need to go to bed as well. :p

[naco]

I can't say how I know, I can't say who I know (so don't ask) but what I can say is that there is going to be a TON of updates whenever this is announced. Like, people needing to be sent to Apple HQ for this stuff kind of thing. That is all.

[isauce]

Oh, I can't wait for the new Macbook/Pro. I am so excited!?! :D

[Beric]

I can't say how I know, I can't say who I know (so don't ask) but what I can say is that there is going to be a TON of updates whenever this is announced. Like, people needing to be sent to Apple HQ for this stuff kind of thing. That is all.

Yeah, it has been a long time since so many products were due for an update all at once. Just look at the buyer's guide. Almost every product is due for a revision soon.

[iRebecca27]

Finally! the macbook design hasn't changed since I got mine in May 2006.
The plastic gets dirty, and I have had the casing replaced because the wrist rest cracks at the edges. I would like to see aluminum and black keys a la MacBook Air

[naco]

Yeah, it has been a long time since so many products were due for an update all at once. Just look at the buyer's guide. Almost every product is due for a revision soon.

I'm not going off of that :cool:

[akira2501]

hence the rush of 10.5.5 updates. Hope its a 32 gig iphone and a 64 gig touch as well.

[zack123]

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It appears, however, that Apple could be prepping for a wide range of product updates, with signals to at least some resellers to halt resupplies of Mac minis, MacBook Pros, iPods and even Cinema Displays.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/26/resellers-getting-signals-for-a-wide-range-of-apple-updates/)

New Cinema Displays, nice. Well that would be in line with the Blu-Ray rumors (stupid HDCP).

[Dmac77]

It's 4AM for him in the west coast (1 AM here). He's got to be falling asleep at the keyboard. :p

Well it's 4AM here for me to, and I'm not forgetting to type words:p

Don

[furious]

I'm not going off of that :cool:

naco you are either very brave or very dumb.

That is all.:D

[Pikemann Urge]

I don't think that the laptops need any redesign. Not that I own one but still, why change for the sake of it?

A good GPU for the MacBooks would be much needed IMO.

I, along with others (who are possibly deluded as well), think that Apple has a high-end image manipulation app in the skunkworks. Maybe they'll never use it. But if they have one (and I'm dead certain they do) they may launch it as a supplementary tool to Aperture.

Maybe there will be hardware accelerated H.264 compression, too.

[motulist]

Mac Mini is in short supply?!?! Holy cow! This is it! We're gonna find out if the mini gets the axe or is upgraded to a not laughably behind the times product!

[naco]

naco you are either very brave or very dumb.

That is all.:D

I'll take brave. Haha, I really have nothing to risk. Look at my prediction about The 3rd party apps (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4308300#post4308300). I was pretty spot on about that wasn't I ;).

[John Jacob]

It does seem that expectations for the 9th of September Apple Event are running high. Almost as high as they were for MacWorld.

[Pikemann Urge]

I'll take brave. Haha, I really have nothing to risk. Look at my prediction about The 3rd party apps (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4308300#post4308300). I was pretty spot on about that wasn't I ;).
Oh yeah? :p Take a look at my prediction for Mac on Intel:
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.tv.twin-peaks/browse_thread/thread/7a9401944135e5a2/4c19cd49effc89d7?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=intel+mac+power+pc#4c19cd49effc89d7

You'll have to find the posts with my name on them.

Check... and mate. ;) Everybody is a prophet at least once in their lives.

[Oirectine]

I, along with others (who are possibly deluded as well), think that Apple has a high-end image manipulation app in the skunkworks. Maybe they'll never use it. But if they have one (and I'm dead certain they do) they may launch it as a supplementary tool to Aperture.


I'm just curious: do you have any evidence that Apple is developping a high-end image manipulation app, or are you the kind of person who is "dead-certain" about things based on hunches and conjecture? If so, I hope you are never on the jury if I am accused of a crime. :D

Edit: Not that it's a terribly bad thing; everyone is deluded in one way or another and this seems like one of the less harmful opinions to hold.

[naco]

Oh yeah? :p Take a look at my prediction for Mac on Intel:
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.tv.twin-peaks/browse_thread/thread/7a9401944135e5a2/4c19cd49effc89d7?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=intel+mac+power+pc#4c19cd49effc89d7

You'll have to find the posts with my name on them.

Check... and mate. ;) Everybody is a prophet at least once in their lives.

True, but this is no prophecy kind sir. That one I mentioned was "me thinking like SJ". Since then I have moved on to better things. Like THIS ONE is me "knowing". Thinking and knowing are two very different things ;););););) (Do I need to wink anymore to get my point across? My eye is getting tired :p)

[Pikemann Urge]

I'm just curious: do you have any evidence that Apple is developping a high-end image manipulation app,
No. But if I were running Apple I'd make damned ********** sure there was one. I wouldn't want to subject myself to the whims of Adobe. I am dead certain purely in the subjective sense. And I have served on a jury once. Very interesting. :)

[Pikemann Urge]

(Do I need to wink anymore to get my point across? My eye is getting tired :p)
So is your tongue! :D

[8CoreWhore]

Cinema Displays. :D

[kanon14]

OMG Mac Mini!!!!!!!!!:apple:

[fuziwuzi]

mac mini :eek:

DO WANT!

[teme]

I'm afraid they will release the new iPods in the first few weeks of September, and all the other stuff will be released later... more waiting for a new Macbook Pro and Cinema display.

[vendettabass]

I'm ready for a £1199 MBP! come'on & lower those prices a little!

[zack123]

Wait a moment, are we basically talking about a refresh of all Apple hardware besides the Airport, iPhone, Xserve and Mac Pro (well maybe new graphic cards and a Bu-Ray drive...)?

[aljawad]

Its the season for the new iPods, and I'm SO getting a new iPod Touch for myself and maybe a Nano as a gift. As for Mac related products, new Macbooks / Pros are due for an update, but right now I don't see the window opening for new peripherals like the Cinema Displays, let alone a new product :rolleyes:. These must wait a few more months for the glory that is Macworld - when the new year REALLY starts for Apple aficionados :D

[JFreak]

Would be great. I've been waiting a new Mac Pro & Cinema Display release since May and timing seems to be just right. This current PowerMac Quad has now seen about three years of hard work so it's going to be replaced almost instantly the new model is out.

[Snowcat001]

Our buyer's guide (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/) does show that many of Apple's products are due for revision.


And they should update them all!!!
It's about time to see laptops, ipods, mini's, screens ect and no iphones anymore... blah:(

[a456]

In September it will be a whole year since I made my last Apple purchase, and I'm in desperate need of some retail therapy.

[lucasmonger]

I can't wait!!!

[bobbleheadbob]

I think we're going to see some really big updates in the next month, including the addition of blu-ray. Too bad my purchasing budget is pretty much down to zero right now. :mad: I'll just have to start making my Christmas wish list a little early this year! :D

[bigmc6000]

well *pout* no alumi-MB means no go for me. Guess I'll just hold on to my 12" PB a bit longer...

Glad to see the Mini isn't dead, now only if they would drop it $100 they might actually sell a few of them!

[kornyboy]

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This is good news. I wonder what other goodies Apple is going to bring. This also makes me think that the 9th is more likely since I wouldn't think that they would ask resellers to halt orders more than a couple of weeks before hand.

[SactoGuy18]

The big question is this: are the big retailers such as Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target, etc. starting to run out of inventory of various iPod models? I haven't heard such things going on right now, unlike last year when 2G nanos and 5.5G iPods essentially disappeared from store shelves by late August 2007.

[okami]

Apple Italy usually dumps EOL machines to APRs (Apple Premium Resellers) just BEFORE new machines are released. They haven't yet (as of august 26th)...

[zedsdead]

I'm afraid they will release the new iPods in the first few weeks of September, and all the other stuff will be released later... more waiting for a new Macbook Pro and Cinema display.

I can see that happening. Apple doesn't usually overhaul that many products all at once. Might be another event in October.

[opeter]

Waiting for the Mac mini update! :)

[t0mat0]

The "stock up now for August" message sent out would put some weight behind some refreshes v. soon. Other things happening sometime soon:

- Siel-Satis-Radio event.
- Back to School end US 15th September - though Apple have launched whilst in a BTS.
- The Expo Remix 2008 17-20 September, so they could press release the day before on a Tuesday, then have it rolled out to the Expo Remix? Maybe Apple staying away from the Event means that they'll have a rival launch, or just launching at their own time. (What's with the 10-12 time slots for new products at the Paris Expo - they expecting something?)

Is below too optimistic?

Product; Last updated; Days since release, average cycle; Likely update date
iPod classic Sept 05 2007; 356(238) SEPT
iPod Touch Feb 05, 2008; 203(153) OCT
iPod nano Sept 05, 2008; 356(268) SEPT
Mac mini - August 07, 2007; 385(188) SEPT plz
MacBook - Feb 26, 2008; 182(192) SEPT
MacBook Air - jan 15 2008; 224(N/A) ?
MacBook Pro - Feb 26, 2008; 182(194) OCT->
Mac Pro - Jan 08, 2008; 231(217) OCT->
ACD - Apr 04, 2007; 510(230) NFI

ACD: Will Apple wait until WWDC 2009? Then they could maybe talk some more about resolution independence at MWSF, give developers just enough lead time for WWDC to bring in a new DisplayPort/HDCP type ACD and bring in some new functionality? It's expensive to make the larger LCD screens so they could do a bump transition. Apple does usually do quiet skunkwork-like projects as a norm - They could easily be brewing up some visual related changes - iWork 09, iLife 09 are going to hit sometime... If all the screens are going to be 16:9 (ACDS, laptops, desktop Macs) - this helps them with bringing in bluray if they want, and maybe also HD in general. Snow Leopard is in part about very good graphics. Why not shift up a gear and move towards this in preparation for SL (which is slated to launch in only 8 months time or so). Doesnt BR need native res 16:9? I'd love them to work a bit more with Elgato - their 2.5 update was great - content streaming from Mac to iPhone/Touch, something that was basically best in show at the Paris Expo last year.

My suspicion is that Apple would release iPhone and Touch video recording functionality alongside new iLife, with updates within the iMovie (and maybe even DVD if we're lucky) to take this into account.

Other things - Nike presumably has some news - they're already kitting out some gyms, and could do so so sooooooooo much with the iPhone and Touch capabilities, via an app, and probably also an online community. I'd imagine that the numbers of iPhone and Touch users who also use sports is high.
Is Nike going to use a stand at Paris just for Nike plus, a product that's 2 years old or the the new sensor and sportsband kit from 5 months ago, a product which is all about not having to use a nano in the mix?

iPods: Big sign of iPod refresh was the rumor about Argos getting signage discounting iPods - a fairly sure sign of a sale to get rid of stock for a new lineup.

[Mackan]

We are still missing the mandatory reports about arriving suspicous containers loaded with unknown secret hardware...

[Breegy]

Soo pretty much everything but the iMac and iPhone is going to be updated soon if all goes well with the cycle. Are the planets aligning for Apple? :rolleyes:

[137489]

Go to bed Arn. ;)

He can't... He is too addicted to these rumors. Hey man, I once stayed up late myself looking for news - only to get disappointed as the release did not happen. Besides MR is now is life and income....

[Breegy]

He can't... He is too addicted to these rumors. Hey man, I once stayed up late myself looking for news - only to get disappointed as the release did not happen. Besides MR is now is life and income....

Hmmmm... WWDC 08?

I watched the rumor sites updating what was going on the whole day at work, waiting to see if a new MB would be released or if there would be "one more thing". It was pretty silly. ;)

[137489]

It does seem that expectations for the 9th of September Apple Event are running high. Almost as high as they were for MacWorld.

Which begs a question. If a September expection is this high, and Macworld is only 4 months later...... What awesome thing do they have in store for Macworld, if all these rumored updates (to what seems to be the entire apple line, all products (except the iphone)) do actually get released in September.

Could it be:

1. Ballmer gives up the throne and conceeds to acknowledge Apple is the future and beefs up the macbu? - Not holding my breath.

2. Apple acquires Axiotron and they release an affordable tablet - well, the tablet rumor has been out thre for ever; don't know that apple will hurt an OEM partner unless Axiotron is not doing so well and they want to keep the product alive.

3. Snow Leopard is ready earlier than expected? - Umm, may rather wait until they deem it Gold Master.

I have a feeling that maybe September is not going to be that great, just a few speed bumps here or there - but then again Christmas is only 4 months away.....

[coledog]

I hope it all gets released at the same time...also hope what happened with the failed launch of MobileMe and the iPhone together doesn't make them delay some things.

[berkleeboy210]

oh what the hell, just shock everyone, and update EVERYTHING at once!

:D:D

[Breegy]

I hope it all gets released at the same time...also hope what happened with the failed launch of MobileMe and the iPhone together doesn't make them delay some things.

I doubt they will release everything at once because of this. But then again, the only real problem they had with that release was MobileMe and some AT&T problems, unless I missed something, which I might have because I don't care too much about iPhone. What most of us are expecting is iPods and notebooks, which are all hardware. The only thing they would have to worry about is iTunes, which they can just release a week before or after and to make sure that the same catastrophe with MobileMe doesn't happen. Also, iTunes is older, while MobileMe is new, so there's less of a chance that they will have problems.

Anyhow, I have no idea what to think about the release dates. I just want a new MB, and I need one soon whether it be new or old.

[Stang68]

Yeah...so expectations for September 9th are pretty ****ing high right about now.

[qrayg]

They better update the mini. Dell's Studio Hybrid destroys it in every area except looks. More importantly Dell has a great price point for a machine that can do much more than the mini can in its current form.

The mini needs wireless-n, HDMI, a decent GPU, and full support for the Al keyboard (it still doesn't see the Al KB until after the OS loads, so you can't boot from a CD or BootCamp without manually changing the startup drive).

[Yvan256]

You can add me to the list of "yeah, Mac mini updates (finally/I hope!)" users. :D

[*Sandy*]

No macbook update just MBP .

[kenned]

No MBP update just macbook .

:D:D

Nah just bring it all on, can't wait to see those redesigned MB/P

[AppliedMicro]

Do you think, they will update the MacBook while the current back to school promotion is running? I doubt it, cause it should be the most popular back to school item, by far.

The other models seem to be poosible candidates for an update, though.

[asphalt-proof]

Wow lots of hoping for the mini from this community. COunt me in!! I really need to buy a new mac but I want a updated mini.

Side note: I wonder how well the mini sells compared to the rest of the line?

[tgildred]

Well it's 4AM here for me to, and I'm not forgetting to type words:p

Don

You did forget an "o," though...

[happydude]

common, new cinema displays are a MUST!!! at the very least, get built in isight cameras in there. i think the current form factor is good and where apple wants to be with the brushed metal look. let's see better LED adoption as well!!

[iMacmatician]

While rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/25/apple-event-for-september-9th/) have focused on iPod Nano and iPod Touch updates as early as September 9th, the fate of the MacBook Pros and other updates have been less clear.I hope "less clear" just means "less clear" and not "it's not coming on 9/9."

But I still have a feeling that Mac updates won't happen until September 30 or so.

Unfortunately, reseller signals can be misleading and could simply represent temporary supply shortages. Best Buy, for example, had shortages (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/07/18/apple-prepping-for-notebook-refresh/) of MacBooks towards the end of July.[/QUOTE]So just because we see a bunch of supply shortages doesn't mean we will see updates at the same or similar timeframe (September 9).

Yeah...so expectations for September 9th are pretty ****ing high right about now.Yup. That's why I'm keeping my expectations reasonable. New iPods, as rumored. iTunes 8 with some new features. iTunes 8 is a significant upgrade but not a redesign as I had hoped. Possible "One More Thing" relating to a (mini-)tablet, and that's just because there's a bunch of those rumors floating around in the last year.

[The Tall One]

Ummm yes, MacPro is due for a revision. My G5 is going to die any day now (I can sense it) and I'm gonna need a new desktop mac. And I sure as hell aint buyin' a MacPro since its due for a revision. 1..2..3.. apple GO

[macworkerbee]

So, let me get this straight, first we get rumors that about 80% of Apple's products are going to be seeing updates on Sept. 9 . . .

. . . then Sept. 9 comes and we only get a couple of ipod updates and maybe one other product and everyone screams about not getting the specific product updates they want.

This seems to be the cycle of the rumors we see (but that doesn't mean I'm no hopping for a ton of updates! :p)

[iMacmatician]

So, let me get this straight, first we get rumors that about 80% of Apple's products are going to be seeing updates on Sept. 9 . . .

. . . then Sept. 9 comes and we only get a couple of ipod updates and maybe one other product and everyone screams about not getting the specific product updates they want.

This seems to be the cycle of the rumors we see (but that doesn't mean I'm no hopping for a ton of updates! :p)EXACTLY!

That's where a lot of the disappointment comes from. That and that the actual updates are "not good enough."

[PinkyMacGodess]

From what I can tell, after looking at our distributor's stock: All mac computers are in low stock, many at zero.

The shuffle 2g is not selling well, large stock of it. The 32G Touch is in fairly large stock too.

There are still a number of hold-overs from earlier products clogging inventory (Lanyard headphones for 1st get nano for example.)

Apple seems in danger of repeating the mistakes of the past in regard to having too many products out for a given niche market. Anyone remember fondly the Amelio days of nearly hundreds of models out that only varied by the processor?

If I was Apple, I'd kill the 1G shuffle, the 8G touch, the 80G classic and the 4G nano.

ilife '08 has been discontinued but it might be replaced by another product that we can't see. We are not authorized so there are some items that we can't see. They do sell the 'personalized nano' which I thought was interesting. I thought it was only a direct order through the online apple store.

[nickhj]

just noticed they are discounting cases and some good prices for all 3 sizes of current model Touch in the uk refurb section. Seemed empty the other day...

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/9854042/wo/8V3Oo82g7NIW3Web57G1s51lesW/13.0.0.26.9.5.7.1.1.1.1

[PinkyMacGodess]

Actually when I look for specific models I find stock. Like tons of Mini's and quite a number of Macbooks. A fair number of Air's and a rather large number of the low end MBP and a fair amount of the high end 15". The 17" has low stock but considering its price, that's probably not a bad thing. I have never seen one in public.

Only one Mac Pro model listed in standard inventory and there is a bunch of it and about 6 'BTO' Mac Pro SKU's with a few showing stock which is odd.

I don't know what to make of these numbers. Is the economy getting to Apple too? Will there be a huge 'fire sale' of the older revisions IF new models come out soon? Will they end up filling some pit in the desert? Hard to tell. But with over a thousand pieces of assorted Mac hardware, this distributer is going to be happy shipping it all back to Apple for exchange of the new models...

[AppliedMicro]

This seems to be the cycle of the rumors we seeHaha... you took the words right out of my mouth.

The usual cycle of building anticipation and enhanced sensitivity to rumors and distribution channel notices, culminating in a September 9 event, where teh Steve proudly announces iTunes 8, a new iPod (nano?), one revamped Mac product any maybe a price cut/capacity update somewhere - not to forget dwelling upon the latest sales figures for iPhones. ;)

[iMacmatician]

Apple seems in danger of repeating the mistakes of the past in regard to having too many products out for a given niche market. Anyone remember fondly the Amelio days of nearly hundreds of models out that only varied by the processor?I suppose Apple could have BTO options as the number of total models increases. I can see that happening in the next revision with GPS.

ilife '08 has been discontinued but it might be replaced by another product that we can't see. We are not authorized so there are some items that we can't see. WAIT… WHAT?

iLife '09??!! :eek::confused:

I knew I should have stuck to an August/September release of iLife '09 and iWork '09 (with the new notebooks)! :D:p

[PinkyMacGodess]

Since people are dreaming about features that *could* come out.

How about this: A Touch with a camera. A usable camera. Interesting idea... And why the hell not? I'd like that better than a Touch with GPS.

A Touch with GPS doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Having a GPS Touch would actually make me steer away from an expensive iphone with GPS. A GPS Touch would likely be very expensive and hard to adapt to current accessories. A Touch with a camera would be an interesting product...

It would make waves...

[olliebraves20]

I am waiting desperately for the MBP updates...school started yesterday for me and I'm still using this huge piece of trash windows PC...I loaned my MB to my sister to take to school.....I just hope they update the video card...I don't really want to buy a MBP with a graphics card that everyone knows fails at a high rate.....

[CWallace]

Such a wide-ranging update of Apple's hardware products would make sense if they are indeed moving to the nVidia mobile CPU chipset. Such a move would mean new iMacs, new Mac Minis, new MacBooks and new MacBook Pros all coming in quick succession.

As to the Cinema Display, even if Apple is not going to commit to Blu-ray, they still need HDCP in the ACD to allow computers to download HD movies from iTunes. Right now, only the :apple:tv can do this because it has HDCP support. And while Apple can add HDCP to the iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro because they have integrated monitors, if they do that without adding HDCP to the ACD, then it will force folks to buy non-Apple external monitors for the laptops and Apple won't want that.

As to the Mac Pro, it will be a simple thing to add it to the current line-up of cards. And if Apple had any foresight (and they tend to), the existing cards already have HDCP support, it's just not enabled. A quick firmware update could turn it on.

[Fidgetyrat]

A GPS Touch would likely be very expensive and hard to adapt to current accessories. A Touch with a camera would be an interesting product...


Why does a GPS always = Expensive in peoples minds? My PDA has a 20 channel bluetooth GPS receiver that only cost me 50 bucks 2 years ago which means it probably cost <$10 to produce.

Also, as far as cameras go, I would feel the opposite as you. I would NOT want the touch with a camera since if I want to take pictures I would use my camera. If I wanted crappy low-res shots I would use my phone.

[PinkyMacGodess]

Everything on the Apple store site shows 24-hour shipping soooo...

All is up in the air at this point.

Given the state of the economy, I wonder if Apple will have a lot of 'holdbacks' if they do announce new products. There's only so much blood (money) they can squeeze out of the buying public suffering through the much heralded 'Bush Recovery'. Can it get worse? Yes.

It would seem like a poor time to announce major new products on Apple's part. Heck, it would be a hard time for any company to release new products at this point. But that's my POV.

CIP: I went to the local Yamaha dealer and they have a whole bunch of 'holdback' models (even some from 2003!). Some just aren't selling and they got stuck with a bunch of them. They are selling for cost on many models just to get them out of the showroom and only ordering what they can sell rather than stocking them. So much for this rush of people to buy motorcycles to save major gas money. If you don't have the money to buy a Prius, thinking about the money you would save is ridiculous. Only the government could make that type of decision because they are so over spent that it should be a bad joke.

[PinkyMacGodess]

Why does a GPS always = Expensive in peoples minds? My PDA has a 20 channel bluetooth GPS receiver that only cost me 50 bucks 2 years ago which means it probably cost <$10 to produce.

Also, as far as cameras go, I would feel the opposite as you. I would NOT want the touch with a camera since if I want to take pictures I would use my camera. If I wanted crappy low-res shots I would use my phone.

Note that I said a 'usable' camera... I am well aware of the crappy pictures that are possible from a phone. I have a Treo. Yeah, crappy is an understatement...

[Lynxpro]

Finally! the macbook design hasn't changed since I got mine in May 2006.
The plastic gets dirty, and I have had the casing replaced because the wrist rest cracks at the edges. I would like to see aluminum and black keys a la MacBook Air


The wrist rests are cracking on my (January 2007) MacBook. Was the casing replacement covered under AppleCare, if you don't mind me asking?

[iMacmatician]

Such a wide-ranging update of Apple's hardware products would make sense if they are indeed moving to the nVidia mobile CPU chipset. Such a move would mean new iMacs, new Mac Minis, new MacBooks and new MacBook Pros all coming in quick succession.Does anyone think this counts as a product transition?

And if Apple had any foresight (and they tend to), the existing cards already have HDCP support, it's just not enabled. A quick firmware update could turn it on.I'm sure they also have the foresight to charge $1.99 for the HDCP Enabler. :p

[Tman1523]

what about the MACBOOK PRO metal Casing, I have found a site that talks about how much it warps good grief i don't know what to do now qwhy pay 3k for a notebook that will bend what gives and they ahve stuck with the case for many years now also stupid mac reps lie so fin much they will not admit that clients have experience the same bending of the lid on mbp \
thoughts?

[Stang68]

what about the MACBOOK PRO metal Casing, I have found a site that talks about how much it warps good grief i don't know what to do now qwhy pay 3k for a notebook that will bend what gives and they ahve stuck with the case for many years now also stupid mac reps lie so fin much they will not admit that clients have experience the same bending of the lid on mbp \
thoughts?

If Apple gives the MBP magnetic latches, then this problem will most like be solved because it would close and be completely shut, not like the current gen MBP's.

[j33pd0g]

An update I would like to see would be something like a smaller form factor in the macbook line-up. Macbook Mini. Sure, Macbook Air is thin, but a netbook size would be fun, and sell like hot-cakes. Apple could sell it at the full Macbook price too.

[wadejc85]

:eek:

I just can't wait to see what's happening! This is anticipation! :D

On a side note, I need a new notebook, seeing how the lackluster IT department at my school hasn't enabled *my* access to *my* office computer. :mad: Well, I guess it is for the better seeing how it is a Dell and all.. :p

[CWallace]

Does anyone think this counts as a product transition?

Yes and no.

From an internals side, it most certainly is, but not from a model nomenclature side.

[Tensakun]

An update I would like to see would be something like a smaller form factor in the macbook line-up. Macbook Mini. Sure, Macbook Air is thin, but a netbook size would be fun, and sell like hot-cakes. Apple could sell it at the full Macbook price too.

Yeah, I'm sure a sub-12" laptop, with moderately beefy specs, would sell like hot okonomiyaki here in Japan! See tons of people opening up small Panasonics, Sonys, etc. on the train and in coffee shops. Have not yet seen an MBA in such a working-class setting; think rich dudes with Mercedes or Jags buy them as accessories...

[puckhead193]

can't wait bring it on

[sprice25]

as long as something new comes out, it should keep us happy for a little while. I'm still hoping for MacBook Pros!!!

[andylyon]

No macbook update just MBP .

No way true if you go off recent history.

Anyways, as soon as these new :apple: macbooks are out my wallet is opening..

[thechidz]

It's 4AM for him in the east coast (1 AM here). He's got to be falling asleep at the keyboard. :p

EDIT: Make that east coast, not west coast. Maybe I need to go to bed as well. :p

who says hes on the east coast? hes probably in hawaii or something:p

[wadejc85]

Do you think, they will update the MacBook while the current back to school promotion is running? I doubt it, cause it should be the most popular back to school item, by far.

The other models seem to be poosible candidates for an update, though.

When I bought my just refreshed iMac Intel Core 2 Duo in 2006, it was during the Back to School promotion. I was unable to use the promotion, according to all the Apple reps (at least it seemed like I went through all of them), because it was only good for the old computers, not the newly updated computers. I could see the same happening here... well, I hope to see the same happening here. ;)

[peterdevries]

what about the MACBOOK PRO metal Casing, I have found a site that talks about how much it warps good grief i don't know what to do now qwhy pay 3k for a notebook that will bend what gives and they ahve stuck with the case for many years now also stupid mac reps lie so fin much they will not admit that clients have experience the same bending of the lid on mbp \
thoughts?

add some punctuation.. This isn't myspace :rolleyes:

[Mindflux]

add some punctuation.. This isn't myspace :rolleyes:

Then again with the influx of 'quality' membership lately it's not far from it either.

[polar-blair]

Wow thats a lot of updates. Just imagine steve jobs.

"Weve got some great new products... The mac book pro refresh, macbook refresh and..... new cinema displays.... and new ipods..... and iLife 09.... and new ipod touch... and itunes 8.0... and a new mac mini"

Thats a lot of stuff for one day! Would be very cool I doubt it though, but I really want the new macbook pros and cinema displays to be released soon, Im starting college tomorrow and I really want to get one, and look all smug and happy walking in with my new awesome MBP.

[twoodcc]

now this would be great. most of those products need an update. but i'll believe it when i see it

[Yvan256]

The plan should be: the Mac with the worst GPU has to be upgraded first. :D

(hint: it's the Mac mini, still using the intel GMA950 in the middle of 2008)

[~Shard~]

With all the focus being iPod and iPhone-related the last couple of years it would be great to see some significant updates to the Mac product line - Mac Pros, MacBooks, MBPs, Mac minis, cinema displays, hell even throw the iMac in there as well! ;) :cool:

[Electrolytic]

Hope the mini gets a update soon or the rumor I read on Tom's about the new mid tower "Mac" is true...

[CWallace]

Wow thats a lot of updates. Just imagine steve jobs.

"Weve got some great new products... The mac book pro refresh, macbook refresh and..... new cinema displays.... and new ipods..... and iLife 09.... and new ipod touch... and itunes 8.0... and a new mac mini"

Thats a lot of stuff for one day!

And the "One More Thing" would be "Nothing!". :p


The plan should be: the Mac with the worst GPU has to be upgraded first. :D

(hint: it's the Mac mini, still using the intel GMA950 in the middle of 2008)

You'd like to think that, but the MacBook line is certainly Apple's best-selling product so the MacBook and MacBook Pro would be the logical ones to update first (and together), followed a week or two later by the Mini and then (eventually) the iMac.

[puckhead193]

anyone else get the macbook air email, seems weird they are sending out emails about it. Perhaps trying to get rid of stock?

[~Shard~]

Hope the mini gets a update soon or the rumor I read on Tom's about the new mid tower "Mac" is true...

I would love to see a mini-tower upgradable headless Mac to fit between the mini and the Pro, but until I see it with my own two eyes I refuse to believe any rumors. ;) :cool:

[mobi]

This update is very important to the "Halo" effect. Many people already have an iPod or iPhone, but are on the fence about a more significant Apple purchase. If these updates pack the WOW factor people are anticipating, it will really catapult Apple into the Holiday season and into 2009.

Personally, I am waiting for a new 23/24" ACD...

[Bad Paper]

Long live the Mini.

[~Shard~]

Long live the Mini.

Weird that it's still around - I thought it would have gone the way of the eMac by now....

[hawken1]

I just ordered a new mbp today but for some reason they say on apple.com that I will get it on September 9 or 10 even though it is supposed to be finished to ship on the 29:th of August...
Is this just a coincidence?
or will they send me a newer model than the one I ordered?
I guess it's just wishfull thinking...

[dstrauss]

The wrist rests are cracking on my (January 2007) MacBook. Was the casing replacement covered under AppleCare, if you don't mind me asking?

Yes - I just had Applecare replace my daughter's wrist-wrest, mouse button, and bottom casing for cracks. The wrist-wrest is a definately known problem (the little tabs on the inside of the lid crack the plastic they touch) AND be sure to check the base under the hinge area - many of the White Macs develop cracks all along the edge on the bottom between the hinges. :mad:

[F/reW/re]

Finally!
Mac Mini!
:D

[jojo13]

WOUHOUUUUUUUUUUUU
New Macs soon:D:D:D

yeah baby its party time:D:D:D

[gkarris]

I just ordered a new mbp today but for some reason they say on apple.com that I will get it on September 9 or 10 even though it is supposed to be finished to ship on the 29:th of August...
Is this just a coincidence?
or will they send me a newer model than the one I ordered?
I guess it's just wishfull thinking...

Wishfull thinking...

Usually, they're not available right away after the announcement. And you did order the older one, which is the one you will get.

[Tman1523]

If Apple gives the MBP magnetic latches, then this problem will most like be solved because it would close and be completely shut, not like the current gen MBP's.

anyone have a macpro that is bent that could send some words of advice before I sucker my 3k into scrap metal??
i have not bought one but will, they say the mb plastic is best because it has mag latches and is plastic so as to not warp, mold or over heat the ac adapter, DOES the current MBP melt, over heat plastics or warp bend or mold to a deformity, jesis man

[kabunaru]

MacBook: Aluminium, LED Display, Dedicated graphics card

MacBook Pro: MacBook Air Keyboard, Magnetic Latch, User-Replaceable Hard Drive, New dedicated graphics card.

Mac Mini: Better specs

Cinema Displays: H-IPS, HDCP-certified, 24" model replaces 23" model, black frame around the display like the aluminium iMac and LED displays (maybe).

My prediction.

[Tman1523]

No way true if you go off recent history.

Anyways, as soon as these new :apple: macbooks are out my wallet is opening..

mb or mbp?

[SpinThis!]

I just ordered a new mbp today but for some reason they say on apple.com that I will get it on September 9 or 10 even though it is supposed to be finished to ship on the 29:th of August
Apple's BTO dates and ship dates are always estimates.... and they're pretty conservative in my experience. You'll probably end up getting it sooner (sometimes a week sooner) than what the site estimates. Depending on where you are—and assuming you chose the standard shipping—if it ships on the 29th, you might get it Sept 5 or 6 (Thursday or Friday). Monday is a holiday so that might push your ship date to the following Monday if you're unlucky though...

[Tman1523]

MacBook: Aluminium, LED Display, Dedicated graphics card

MacBook Pro: MacBook Air Keyboard, Magnetic Latch, User-Replaceable Hard Drive, New dedicated graphics card.

Mac Mini: Better specs

Cinema Displays: H-IPS, HDCP-certified, 24" model replaces 23" model, black frame around the display like the aluminium iMac and LED displays (maybe).

My prediction.

If that is indeed yours and mac prediticion for the up comming releases i will settle with an old mbp, The Air keyboard is horrible and i hate the spaces i want the keyboards the current mbp have why change it i really hate mac, WHY SPREAD THE DAMB KEYBOARD OUT

[SMDrew]

Interestingly, AppleTV is not mentioned. I'd wager that the aTV is going to get a minor HW revision in the form of video output, making it capable of driving (at least) 1080i. This would coincide with the iTunes update to 8.0.

Such a move would spur lagging aTV sales (overcoming the consumer's mindset of it having the inferior video output of 720p), and allow Apple to compete more readily with BluRay players, as well as with BluRay content providers such as NetFlix and Blockbuster. The timing would be right to drive the Christmas rush, too. Getting an aTV to the masses early would allow for favorable reviews to hit the mainstream media.

[Manatee]

My wife gave in and got a new MBP a few months ago, but I've been hanging on to my original 2.0GHz MBP -- hoping for one with a new design. Not that there's anything wrong with the current one, but I want to be on the leading edge of fashion. :)

[PinkyMacGodess]

Interestingly, AppleTV is not mentioned. I'd wager that the aTV is going to get a minor HW revision in the form of video output, making it capable of driving (at least) 1080i. This would coincide with the iTunes update to 8.0.

Such a move would spur lagging aTV sales (overcoming the consumer's mindset of it having the inferior video output of 720p), and allow Apple to compete more readily with BluRay players, as well as with BluRay content providers such as NetFlix and Blockbuster. The timing would be right to drive the Christmas rush, too. Getting an aTV to the masses early would allow for favorable reviews to hit the mainstream media.

1080i would be a downgrade not an upgrade. It already does 1080p.

[PinkyMacGodess]

Weird that it's still around - I thought it would have gone the way of the eMac by now....

I've got 2 of them and might get a third for my mother... Never underestimate the Mac Mini. It *could* be a perfect vehicle for those wanting to transfer to the PC but don't want to spend the huge money (relatively) for an IMac. Especially those peecee users that have big monitors already...

[Shasterball]

I just ordered a new mbp today but for some reason they say on apple.com that I will get it on September 9 or 10 even though it is supposed to be finished to ship on the 29:th of August...
Is this just a coincidence?
or will they send me a newer model than the one I ordered?
I guess it's just wishfull thinking...

Why not just wait? Don't you think that would make a lot more sense?

[dopey220]

I was about to buy an 8 GB iTouch last week. I hope this update is worth the wait.

[Lesser Evets]

MacBook: Aluminium, LED Display, Dedicated graphics card

MacBook Pro: MacBook Air Keyboard, Magnetic Latch, User-Replaceable Hard Drive, New dedicated graphics card.

Mac Mini: Better specs

Cinema Displays: H-IPS, HDCP-certified, 24" model replaces 23" model, black frame around the display like the aluminium iMac and LED displays (maybe).

My prediction.

Your MacBook predictions are plausible.
Your MacBook Pro stuff was believable until USER-REPLACEABLE HARD DRIVE...

That was utter crystal ball talking.

I was about to buy an 8 GB iTouch last week. I hope this update is worth the wait.

I have NO DOUBT you will get twice the memory for the same price in 3 weeks.
And there is a good possibility you will get much more in the hardware.

[Firefly2002]

Sweet! 8-core 4 GHz MacBook Pros! Wait.... that's not in the article? Crap...

Hope the new MBPs come... and they're non-chiclet =-/

[Tman1523]

wait wait so if i don't like the air keyboards then i must buy a current mbp, is there a problem with the 256 graphics cards?

[Peace]

1080i would be a downgrade not an upgrade. It already does 1080p.

The only way to get a true 1080P video on the AppleTV is to hack into it. All it will do is 720P IF you encode it at 24FPS otherwise it will only do 960X540 at 29.97 FPS.
However there will be an update to the ATV..and iTunes.

Native AAC 5.1 digital audio.

[PinkyMacGodess]

Wishfull thinking...

Usually, they're not available right away after the announcement. And you did order the older one, which is the one you will get.

Unless they ship yours at the moment of the changeover. Many people got the new of 'X' instead of the older 'X' just because they happened to order at the right time.

A plant can't keep making the old model while they are already making the new one and it's often possible that there are back logs of orders when the change happens. Since Apple appears to ship 'fresh from the plant' in China on many items, it's entirely possible to get the new one instead of the old one. It only makes sense. How would you like to have ordered the MBP and gotten the old one after hearing that someone who shipped the same day got the new one?

[PinkyMacGodess]

The only way to get a true 1080P video on the AppleTV is to hack into it. All it will do is 720P IF you encode it at 24FPS otherwise it will only do 960X540 at 29.97 FPS.
However there will be an update to the ATV..and iTunes.

Native AAC 5.1 digital audio.

I went into the options for the video and set mine to 1080p and my teevee detects it as 1080p. Well, unless I'm wrong... Let me check...

[Peace]

I went into the options for the video and set mine to 1080p and my teevee detects it as 1080p. Well, unless I'm wrong... Let me check...

That's called upscaling.

It's not true 1080P

Try to transfer a true 1080P video to the ATV and see what happens.

[qwertz999]

Twice as high as my current Mac Mini. Throw in a blue ray burner, a big hard disk, plenty of space for additional RAM (4 GB minimum) and a decent graphics card so I can hook up two 22"-24" monitors. Is that too much to ask for? :cool:

[PinkyMacGodess]

I went into the options for the video and set mine to 1080p and my teevee detects it as 1080p. Well, unless I'm wrong... Let me check...

Ok, I stand corrected: The Apple teevee says 1080i - 50 Mhz and the teevee (a cheap Philips) says just '1080'.

Still, I can do 1080i, why can't you? Firmware is 2.1.

[SpinThis!]

The video card in the Apple TV is only "native" at 720p but as Peace said, is able to upscale the video. Personally, I hardly see a difference in output quality on my 1080p Panny plasma and 1080p would be impractical to stream for movie rentals. I can't see why Apple would produce a simple hardware tweak to appease the typical Best Buy customer who doesn't know better anyway. If Apple does 1080p, it would be new hardware and iTunes downloads would support it as well. The latter won't happen for awhile.

[Peace]

Ok, I stand corrected: The Apple teevee says 1080i - 50 Mhz and the teevee (a cheap Philips) says just '1080'.

Still, I can do 1080i, why can't you? Firmware is 2.1.

Here's the specs for the ATV from Apple's website :

Video
Video formats supported:
H.264 and protected H.264 (from iTunes Store):
• up to 5 Mbps, Progressive Main Profile (CAVLC) with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps (maximum resolution 1280x720 @ 24fps, 960x540 @ 30fps) in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
• iTunes Store purchased video, 320x240, 640x480, 720 by 480 pixels (anamorphic), or high-definition 720p
MPEG 4:
• up to 3 Mbps, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps (maximum resolution 720x432 @ 30 fps) in .m4v,

[Aranince]

Your MacBook predictions are plausible.
Your MacBook Pro stuff was believable until USER-REPLACEABLE HARD DRIVE...

That was utter crystal ball talking.


Why is it unbelievable? The MacBooks have user-replaceable hard drives already, why not the MBPs? I would thing the MBPs would need user replaceable hard drives before the Macbooks would, on account of graphics artists, video editors, photographers need a lot more space.

[137489]

They better update the mini. Dell's Studio Hybrid destroys it in every area except looks. More importantly Dell has a great price point for a machine that can do much more than the mini can in its current form.

The mini needs wireless-n, HDMI, a decent GPU, and full support for the Al keyboard (it still doesn't see the Al KB until after the OS loads, so you can't boot from a CD or BootCamp without manually changing the startup drive).

Well, yeah the DELL hybrid studio does have a lot, but..
Ok I won't go through those posts again.

Do have one question about the alu keyboard. I bought my wife a mini a couple of weeks ago (we needed one now and could not wait anymore). I opted to get the new keyboard, but have a regular 2-button USB mouse plugged into it, due to the mini only habing 4 USB ports (all are taken - keyboard, printer, external backup drive, ipod connector). Every so often (mostly in the older AOL client); the keyboard stops working or she loses the space bar. She has to go to another window and come back to be able to type again.

My questions are:

1. alu keyboard issue? i have all the firmware updates that were available.
2. NON-APPLE (Logitech) USB mouse plugged into the keyboard's USB port giving problems? - kinda doubt that as I used the mouse for 2 years and it works fine on my macbook and does not interfare with anything.
3. AOL issue? - oh sure everyone will point to that.

I am looking for a serious answer here.

Another thing I noted, but with my macbook... now that my Windows machines are dead or decomissioned, I use it more and more. Sadly, I am starting to notice to things:

1. Some apps are getting sluggish, and it takes a little longer to boot up. What must I do to keep my mac happy.. I think crossover is what screwed it, my problems started happening when I uninstalled the trial version.

2. Starting to notice a small, annoying but not major issue of the keyboard missing letters randomly when I type. I say not major - as my typing is not the best anyway (I type faster than my brain can think); plus I have turned on inkwell and handwriting recognition since I now have a Wacom Bamboo (man I cannot wait till apple releases an affordable tablet with the power of a macbook (or even a lower power one like the Air)).

Does anyone have any suggestions for those? My machine was bought new in April, and only last month I finally converted everything off Windows and my macbook is my main machine (except for my work PC).

[Trajectory]

The big announcement will be a whole new line of iPod Socks! It's about time they get an update.

[PinkyMacGodess]

That's called upscaling.

It's not true 1080P

Try to transfer a true 1080P video to the ATV and see what happens.

Isn't it called 'upconverting' but that's besides the point.

I like the settings that it's currently at. It works for me. I do notice that the video seems to be stretched a little at times but this Philips teevee plays tricks sometimes too and jumps from one resolution to another apparently deciding on what's best for what's on the screen. I can't change it to stay at a certain resolution because, unlike y'all, I can't afford Blu-Ray...

BTW: Wouldn't Blu-Ray on a mobile platform be a major headache with the potential motion of the unit while it's reading the disc? Is that a case of being careful what you wish for? I remember trying to write DVD's on my peecee notebook. Yeah. Not fondly either. ANY motion and the disc was toast... Wouldn't trying to watch a Blu-Ray disc on a mobile computer be a sad joke? Like on a plane or a train?

[happydude]

The big announcement will be a whole new line of iPod Socks! It's about time they get an update.

oh man . . . can't wait . . . :D

[babyj]

Pricing in the Apple UK Refurb store is suggesting an iPod refresh. Current products are normally discounted by 13%. The iPod Classic, Nano and Touch are discounted by 22% to 35% which is discontinued product discounting. In comparison the iPod shuffle is at 14%.

The Mac prices don't show much - no MacBook's listed and they've been discounting MacBook Pro's all over the place for ages.

[Peace]

Isn't it called 'upconverting' but that's besides the point.



it's the same thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_scaler)

[wadejc85]

The big announcement will be a whole new line of iPod Socks! It's about time they get an update.

:eek:

Haha... good one. :D

I actually can't find the ones I bought and never used..... Hmm.. :p

[PinkyMacGodess]

Well, yeah the DELL hybrid studio does have a lot, but..
Ok I won't go through those posts again.

Do have one question about the alu keyboard. I bought my wife a mini a couple of weeks ago (we needed one now and could not wait anymore). I opted to get the new keyboard, but have a regular 2-button USB mouse plugged into it, due to the mini only habing 4 USB ports (all are taken - keyboard, printer, external backup drive, ipod connector). Every so often (mostly in the older AOL client); the keyboard stops working or she loses the space bar. She has to go to another window and come back to be able to type again.

My questions are:

1. alu keyboard issue? i have all the firmware updates that were available.
2. NON-APPLE (Logitech) USB mouse plugged into the keyboard's USB port giving problems? - kinda doubt that as I used the mouse for 2 years and it works fine on my macbook and does not interfare with anything.
3. AOL issue? - oh sure everyone will point to that.

I am looking for a serious answer here.

Another thing I noted, but with my macbook... now that my Windows machines are dead or decomissioned, I use it more and more. Sadly, I am starting to notice to things:

1. Some apps are getting sluggish, and it takes a little longer to boot up. What must I do to keep my mac happy.. I think crossover is what screwed it, my problems started happening when I uninstalled the trial version.

2. Starting to notice a small, annoying but not major issue of the keyboard missing letters randomly when I type. I say not major - as my typing is not the best anyway (I type faster than my brain can think); plus I have turned on inkwell and handwriting recognition since I now have a Wacom Bamboo (man I cannot wait till apple releases an affordable tablet with the power of a macbook (or even a lower power one like the Air)).

Does anyone have any suggestions for those? My machine was bought new in April, and only last month I finally converted everything off Windows and my macbook is my main machine (except for my work PC).

Ok, Microsoft 2-button mouse and older style Apple keyboard and I've been having issue with to many letters, not missing letters...

It all started about a month ago after the update that was supposed to fix the issue with extra letters during typing. It's not a huge issue for me (thank god that Firefox has spell checking).

I hate the layout of the new keyboard although I do like the *size* of the wireless keyboard. I have a system in a rack that it works perfectly with. Now if only they made a slim wired keyboard! I'd buy at least 2 right now.

I haven't had many other issues using other brand mice. Never tried a different brand keyboard. I have had issues with USB hubs. Especially the mac taking longer to startup which I gather is a symptom of using a USB hub. If they only put like 8 USB ports on the new systems, then I'd be happy. Heck, my peecee notebook has 4 usb AND a firewire port. MBP? 2 and one. Boo!

Now that practically EVERYTHING is USB, not having more is ridiculous... The port on the keyboard doesn't count (Problems would probably go away if you stopped using the keyboard USB port). It's only USB 400 and not all that usable... (Firewire on a display? They DO need an update)

Try a repair permissions too...

[knarzie]

/waits

[isoceles]

I am really hoping they come out with a new redesign of the MBP, but I am also dreading how ridiculous the lines will be at the apple store. Is it usually as bad as when they released the iphone? I waited 3.5 hours in line for my iphone 3g. I can see the Apple stores here in NYC being crowded with mostly people looking at the new products and not buying them. Any thoughts?

[kabunaru]

If that is indeed yours and mac prediticion for the up comming releases i will settle with an old mbp, The Air keyboard is horrible and i hate the spaces i want the keyboards the current mbp have why change it i really hate mac, WHY SPREAD THE DAMB KEYBOARD OUT

Look at this (thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=550284&page=4 ):

[karmachrome]

I am really hoping they come out with a new redesign of the MBP, but I am also dreading how ridiculous the lines will be at the apple store. Is it usually as bad as when they released the iphone? I waited 3.5 hours in line for my iphone 3g. I can see the Apple stores here in NYC being crowded with mostly people looking at the new products and not buying them. Any thoughts?

May I suggest not waiting in line then? Then you might not feel slighted. Otherwise you can head over to Best Buy.

[isoceles]

May I suggest not waiting in line then? Then you might not feel slighted. Otherwise you can head over to Best Buy.

True. I forgot that Best Buy carried Apple. :)

[sprice25]

good to hear. this is only speculation though. but again, remember apple didn't budge to mention anything when they were completely sold out of iphones before the 3g launch. next tuesday should come soon enough.

[lhotka]

True. I forgot that Best Buy carried Apple. :)

Yep, if you want to wait in line, head to best buy. Horrible service, slow slow slow lines.

But remember:

iPhone, $400+irrational advance hype = absurd lines
new macs, $2000-3000+announced same day as available = normal lines

[rtdunham]

...Starting to notice a small, annoying but not major issue of the keyboard missing letters randomly when I type. I say not major - as my typing is not the best anyway (I type faster than my brain can think)...

check again, see if the missed keystrokes are more often on the bottom row of keys. that's the pattern with my MB. Apple replaced one keyboard, it improved things, but not to a satisfactory level. I can't wait for a new laptop model with a good keyboard. (i'm a fast typist; imho there's something beneath the kb pressing up against it, minimizing the effectiveness of strokes particularly on the bottom row) anyway, i'd be interested to hear where your missed keystrokes most often occur.

[Lesser Evets]

Why is it unbelievable? The MacBooks have user-replaceable hard drives already, why not the MBPs? I would thing the MBPs would need user replaceable hard drives before the Macbooks would, on account of graphics artists, video editors, photographers need a lot more space.

I am missing something... what is the definition of 'user replaceable'? You can argue everything Apple has is user replaceable, if the user wants to take it apart and put it together with some hassle. I've replaced hard drives on all my laptops so far, but you have to work at it a little.

[SirROM]

:eek:

Haha... good one. :D

I actually can't find the ones I bought and never used..... Hmm.. :p

That's because, like all socks, they got lost in the dryer...

[Stang68]

Well, it looks like Apple will not be using the Moscone Center for this announcement because CTIA is there September 10 -12. http://www.wirelessit.com/

That means this cannot be a big announcement right? Or could they do it like the iMac's last year and do it in that little room for press only?

[iMacmatician]

Your MacBook predictions are plausible.
Your MacBook Pro stuff was believable until USER-REPLACEABLE HARD DRIVE...

That was utter crystal ball talking.Not really, given that the leaked MacBook Pro case resembles the MacBook case.

Sweet! 8-core 4 GHz MacBook Pros! Wait.... that's not in the article? Crap...Sandy Bridge!!!! :D

If that is indeed yours and mac prediticion for the up comming releases i will settle with an old mbp, The Air keyboard is horrible and i hate the spaces i want the keyboards the current mbp have why change it i really hate mac, WHY SPREAD THE DAMB KEYBOARD OUTIt's not spread more apart. It just looks that way.

Well, it looks like Apple will not be using the Moscone Center for this announcement because CTIA is there September 10 -12. http://www.wirelessit.com/

That means this cannot be a big announcement right? Or could they do it like the iMac's last year and do it in that little room for press only?Couldn't Apple do the event on September 9?

ITSMF USA Fusion '08 is there September 7~10, but for Moscone North. Apple would probably use Moscone West.

It's also possible that they use Apple Town Hall for the event.

[Val-kyrie]

Its the season for the new iPods, and I'm SO getting a new iPod Touch for myself and maybe a Nano as a gift. As for Mac related products, new Macbooks / Pros are due for an update, but right now I don't see the window opening for new peripherals like the Cinema Displays, let alone a new product :rolleyes:. These must wait a few more months for the glory that is Macworld - when the new year REALLY starts for Apple aficionados :D

New ACDs make sense IF Apple is adding new display output connections (e.g., DisplayPort and/or HDMI). It would make no sense to wait to reveal new ACDs if Apple puts new ports on the MBPs and/or MBs because it would be obvious that an ACD refresh would be soon anyways. Hopefully DVI will no longer be the only connection option on the ACDs.

[JayMan8081]

This isn't that surprising anymore and is getting a little old to see posted every couple of days - another story pointing to product refreshes!

[themiracle]

So. Excited.

[iGuardian]

Didn't Apple say something along the lines of "[wanting] to take a new approach" some time ago? Amid rumors of everything being updated, touch screen macs, and perhaps unlimited iTunes subscription music, could Apple be planning on changing it's approach to computing and music this September?

What do you think? It's just a thought...

[reubs]

I'd been eyeing an iPod Touch as a PDA-type device for a new job, and I hope they are available immediately. I would love to have one for Day 1, and this Sept. 9 day would put that right on target!

[iMacmatician]

Didn't Apple say something along the lines of "[wanting] to take a new approach" some time ago? Amid rumors of everything being updated, touch screen macs, and perhaps unlimited iTunes subscription music, could Apple be planning on changing it's approach to computing and music this September?

What do you think? It's just a thought...A very good thought indeed. You may be onto something. I'll definitely wait and see for what September brings us! :)

[Val-kyrie]

I would love to see a mini-tower upgradable headless Mac to fit between the mini and the Pro, but until I see it with my own two eyes I refuse to believe any rumors. ;) :cool:

If the rumor were true, my parents would purchase it as soon as it was released. They don't need a monitor (iMac) or want to spend the money on the MP and don't need another notebook. (My dad purchased a MBP last Christmas.) A headless Mac tower would be perfect for them.

[Jimbo Slice]

In case Apple employees are reading this, pleeeeease new MB/MBP, wallets already open :)

[137489]

Weird that it's still around - I thought it would have gone the way of the eMac by now....

Nope, just bought one a couple of weeks ago. wife needed a machine, I figured it was a good way to introduce her to mac - she also did not want me to spend the money for a macbook for her, since she just uses AOL, iwork, surf the web and one Bible program (Esword).

[Electrolytic]

Twice as high as my current Mac Mini. Throw in a blue ray burner, a big hard disk, plenty of space for additional RAM (4 GB minimum) and a decent graphics card so I can hook up two 22"-24" monitors. Is that too much to ask for? :cool:

It would be their best seller in the desktop lineup if it was priced properly.

[iCries]

A very good thought indeed. You may be onto something. I'll definitely wait and see for what September brings us! :)

that makes two of us. :P

[ventro]

We all know what happened the last time Apple decided to launch a bunch of things at once. NOT A GOOD IDEA GUYS!

[iGuardian]

We all know what happened the last time Apple decided to launch a bunch of things at once. NOT A GOOD IDEA GUYS!

I can't remember the last time Apple did release a lot of devices at once, when was this? a WWDC?

[~Shard~]

Nope, just bought one a couple of weeks ago. wife needed a machine, I figured it was a good way to introduce her to mac - she also did not want me to spend the money for a macbook for her, since she just uses AOL, iwork, surf the web and one Bible program (Esword).

Great to hear that there's still demand for it - hopefully this will mean Apple will update it very soon with more current technology.

[BRLawyer]

It would be their best seller in the desktop lineup if it was priced properly.

And people STILL talk of the fabled headless xMac which ALREADY exists and is called MacMini...that's what's gonna be updated, nothing else...it's amazing how this rotten corpse refuses to die...Apple will NOT launch a generic box anytime soon, fellas...face it and accept it..! :rolleyes:

[davidbeq]

Here's some insightful analysis to pass along about MacBook and MacBook Pro updates. What I find noteworthy is the analysis shows that Apple (based on the data) should be rolling out the new models on September 8, 2008 one day before the rumored special event. It's argued therefore that September 9 is a very high probability.

MacBook and MacBook Pro release cycle analysis - September 2008 updates likely (http://switchtoamac.com/site/macbook-and-macbook-pro-release-cycle-analysis-september-2008-updates-likely.html)

[diamond.g]

And people STILL talk of the fabled headless xMac which ALREADY exists and is called MacMini...that's what's gonna be updated, nothing else...it's amazing how this rotten corpse refuses to die...Apple will NOT launch a generic box anytime soon, fellas...face it and accept it..! :rolleyes:


The Mac Mini isn't the xMac for as long as those wanting an xMac can't add PCIe/PCI devices or more than one internal HD to the poor thing. I look forward to an update to the Mini, maybe I could finally replace my server box, with something that requires less power...

[kabunaru]

MacBook and MacBook Pro release cycle analysis - September 2008 updates likely (http://switchtoamac.com/site/macbook-and-macbook-pro-release-cycle-analysis-september-2008-updates-likely.html)

What about the rumoured custom chip-sets? Is Apple not going to use that any more?

[BRLawyer]

The Mac Mini isn't the xMac for as long as those wanting an xMac can't add PCIe/PCI devices or more than one internal HD to the poor thing. I look forward to an update to the Mini, maybe I could finally replace my server box, with something that requires less power...

As exhaustively said before by many, 99.99% of the market will NEVER open a computer case, let alone add a PCI board, which apart from hardcore gamers who need new bragging rights every quarter, is simply unknown and useless to any normal user. Apple is the ONLY company realizing that, and that's why it's so successful, growing more than double the ordinary IT sector.

I've never considered adding anything more than RAM, an external drive or assorted USB or FW devices...just as pretty much anyone out there...add-on boards had only two roles in the Mac's history...either to run PC software or to run Apple II software in the Mac LC...:rolleyes:

[captnfun]

so everything is due for an upgrade?

What if that is because they need to make a fundamental change? Like adding Blu-Ray across the entire product line, and moving screen resolutions to 16x9 aspect ratio, and making HDMI the primary video out? All of the machines maybe even getting new GPU hardware to offload the h.264 processing from the CPU?

updates would include:

MacBook - Blu-Ray reader, 720p screens, HDMI out
MacBookPro - Blu-Ray writer, 1080p screens (16 & 18 inch), HDMI out
Mac Mini - this becomes an awesome set-top box with Blu-Ray reader.
iMac - Blu-Ray reader/writer options, 1080p screens and HDMI out
Mac Pro - Blu-Ray writer, and HDMI out

Even the ipod/ itunes rumors may be true as they switch the format of most videos in the itunes store to HD. Granted all the SD stuff would have to remain with 'bars' on the sides.

Apple cannot ignore Blu-Ray as many suggest, Steve Jobs would know this sitting on Disney's board. Blu-Ray is here to stay, better get on board.

By the way, the transition to 16x9 screens would make for the perfect time to update the cases of the laptops, because there would be new geometry to the size of the cases.

[obibobi]

I just want higher resolution for the 15" MacBook Pro...

and a better spec'ed MacMini

[137489]

Great to hear that there's still demand for it - hopefully this will mean Apple will update it very soon with more current technology.

Only a demand for me because, she would not let me spend the money for a macbook, for what she would have used it for.

Other than that:

1. People have been buying it as a small server for their living room (front row) and hooking up external drives to it. If anyone knew a good way to store about 100 DVD movies I would probably get another one and do the same. the only thing I know is to rip them and use VLC to play the VOB files individually - but that means when one ends, load another.

2. I did see a couple get sold to an older gentileman (50-60-ish) one other time I was in the store. He bought that, iwork, office, and bento.

But other than that it is usually imac, macbook, or iphone accessories. Only once did I see someone walk out with a mac pro. He spent over $5000 in one purchase......

[iMacmatician]

I just want higher resolution for the 15" MacBook Pro...I want a higher resolution MacBook. 1440*900 or even 1600*900.

[~Shard~]

Apple cannot ignore Blu-Ray as many suggest, Steve Jobs would know this sitting on Disney's board. Blu-Ray is here to stay, better get on board.

Steve Jobs has already called Blu Ray an outright failure wrt content delivery so I doubt he is in any rush to incorporate the technology into the Mac product lines other than for HD storage/media etc. Although that is a legitimate reason for bringing in the technology, and we will no doubt see it at some point, it's not like Blu Ray is the be-all and end-all and some people mistakenly believe.

[Eidorian]

I want a higher resolution MacBook. 1440*900 or even 1600*900.1280 x 800 is so 2003 for me...

[SFgadgetman]

hence the rush of 10.5.5 updates. Hope its a 32 gig iphone and a 64 gig touch as well.

Oh please let it be!!!!

[lhotka]

Steve Jobs has already called Blu Ray an outright failure wrt content delivery so I doubt he is in any rush to incorporate the technology into the Mac product lines other than for HD storage/media etc. Although that is a legitimate reason for bringing in the technology, and we will no doubt see it at some point, it's not like Blu Ray is the be-all and end-all and some people mistakenly believe.

Until the technology is mature, it's not going to be in an Apple product. Size (thickness), battery life, and a pending specification revision all point to a delay (and an initial introduction in the mac pro before laptops). Couple that with Job's attitude, and I just don't see it being added.

A good clue is that there's no blue-ray support in 10.5.5.

[hawken1]

Why not just wait? Don't you think that would make a lot more sense?

Yes, I wanted to wait but I need it now for school and the current one has everything I need for running Logic also. I believe I won't be dissapointed anyway since it is still a very good machine.

[motulist]

I want a higher resolution MacBook. 1440*900 or even 1600*900.

Holy cow! They MBP has a LOWER resolution screen than the powerbook had 2 years ago?! I didn't even realize that.

The last gen powerbook G4 had a 1440 x 960 resolution, and now the MBP has LOWER resolution than that! What the heck happened?!

http://lowendmac.com/pb2/15in-hi-res-powerbook-g4.html

[~Shard~]

Until the technology is mature, it's not going to be in an Apple product. Size (thickness), battery life, and a pending specification revision all point to a delay (and an initial introduction in the mac pro before laptops).

Agreed. As a result I do not see Apple incorporating Blu Ray into their product line anytime soon. When they do, it will be in the Mac Pro, and I think it will be sometime after that until we see it filter thorugh the rest of the product line. Again, Steve Jobs sees absolutely no use for Blu Ray for content delivery, so that will lessen the urgency in his mind for incorporating the technology.

[iMacmatician]

The last gen powerbook G4 had a 1440 x 960 resolution, and now the MBP has LOWER resolution than that! What the heck happened?!

http://lowendmac.com/pb2/15in-hi-res-powerbook-g4.htmlThe display aspect ratio changed from 1.5:1 to 1.6:1, reducing the resolution by 60 vertical pixels.

Back when the 15" PowerBook G4 had a 1280*x resolution, it was 1280*854 (1.499:1 :confused:) instead of 1280*800.

[motulist]

The display aspect ratio changed from 1.5:1 to 1.6:1, reducing the resolution by 60 vertical pixels.

Back when the 15" PowerBook G4 had a 1280*x resolution, it was 1280*854 (1.499:1 :confused:) instead of 1280*800.

So not only did they remove more pixels per inch, they also reduced the total number of pixels even when the resolution was set at the same pixel density! I'm sure that they did that because the lower res screen has some benefits in lighter weight or smaller size or something like that, but come on! It's not like 1440 x 960 was even cutting edge at the time of the last gen powerbook, that res was only just on par with most MS Windows laptops at the time. And now 2 years later, 1280 x 8xx is just insulting for an over $2000 laptop.

Crazy.

EDIT:

wait, Apple's MBP spec page and the Apple store's laptop specs page say the screen is "15.4-inch (viewable) widescreen LED 1440 x 900 pixels"

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html

iMathematician, I just did some research and found out your info is out of date. When the powerbook first became the MBP, they lowered the screen res. But at some point they added 1440 x 9xx back to the MBP.

[137489]

With all the talk of Blu-ray.

1. PLayer Still not in Wal-Mart
2. Only 1 player in target and its being discontinued
3. You have to go to a big box store like HHGreg, Best Buy, etc.
4. only a handful of movies out on blu-ray
5. blu-ray drives for computers (especially blu-ray burners - which is what most people want) is expensive [but coming down in price].
6. PC's always get the first of everything, and hence the bugginess - they usually adopt a way too early.

to me, I say blu-ray in a year or so. DVD players are like $20 now, and they are still flying off the shelf and look pretty dang good on an HD-LCD TV. Pus you should see the people scarfing up their favorite movie on DVD at wal-mart when they hit the 2/$11 bin. We just bought 6 more movies last night.

[allymac]

If the rumor were true, my parents would purchase it as soon as it was released. They don't need a monitor (iMac) or want to spend the money on the MP and don't need another notebook. (My dad purchased a MBP last Christmas.) A headless Mac tower would be perfect for them.


Me too :D I'm in the market for a new mid-range PC - I have a high end workstation (which was considerably cheaper than a Mac pro) and a laptop, I just need an every day basic machine - I already have monitor etc. I'm hoping they either update the mini or release something else to fit in between. If not, I'll be buying another PC :(

[iMacmatician]

I'm sure that they did that because the lower res screen has some benefits in lighter weight or smaller size or something like that, but come on!The 1.5:1 display was 15.2" and the 1.6:1 display was 15.4". So it got bigger for less resolution.

EDIT:

wait, Apple's MBP spec page and the Apple store's laptop specs page say the screen is "15.4-inch (viewable) widescreen LED 1440 x 900 pixels"

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.htmlI was referring to the MacBook's (not MacBook Pro's) resolution being less than 1440*900. The 15" PowerBook / MacBook Pro's resolution went 1280*854 -> 1440*960 -> 1440*900.

[motulist]

The 1.5:1 display was 15.2" and the 1.6:1 display was 15.4". So it got bigger for less resolution.

I was referring to the MacBook's (not MacBook Pro's) resolution being less than 1440*900. The 15" PowerBook / MacBook Pro's resolution went 1280*854 -> 1440*960 -> 1440*900.

Ah, I see. I misunderstood. I hate the naming of the MacX vs. MacX Pro, it constantly leads to misunderstandings.

[iMacmatician]

I hate the naming of the MacX vs. MacX Pro, it constantly leads to misunderstandings.And "MacBooks" can mean either just the MacBooks or both the MacBooks and MacBook Pros.

[macshill]

I just ordered a new mbp today but for some reason they say on apple.com that I will get it on September 9 or 10 even though it is supposed to be finished to ship on the 29:th of August...
Is this just a coincidence?
or will they send me a newer model than the one I ordered?
I guess it's just wishfull thinking...

Well, that's a good thing then. You're in a special 'zone'. You get it, you use it lightly and you see what the new MacBook Pro is like and if you like that better, it's w/in the 30 days of the purchase of the last gen. and the release of a new gen. If you don't mind the restocking fee (10%), you can go for the new one or just keep the one you got... which isn't all that out of date. Nice! :)

[11800506]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070208 Firefox/3.0.1)

I really hope the mini finally gets an update especially since it's been so long since it has had one. I do hope however that the MB and MBP get updated too.

[macshill]

Look at this (thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=550284&page=4 ):

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=131878&d=1219772343

Even if I have to wait until late-September, I won't have to "go academic" (aka "going River City Ransom"; the 2008 version of "going postal") after all. ;)

[macshill]

so everything is due for an upgrade?

What if that is because they need to make a fundamental change? Like adding Blu-Ray across the entire product line, and moving screen resolutions to 16x9 aspect ratio, and making HDMI the primary video out? All of the machines maybe even getting new GPU hardware to offload the h.264 processing from the CPU?

updates would include:

MacBook - Blu-Ray reader, 720p screens, HDMI out
MacBookPro - Blu-Ray writer, 1080p screens (16 & 18 inch), HDMI out
Mac Mini - this becomes an awesome set-top box with Blu-Ray reader.
iMac - Blu-Ray reader/writer options, 1080p screens and HDMI out
Mac Pro - Blu-Ray writer, and HDMI out

Even the ipod/ itunes rumors may be true as they switch the format of most videos in the itunes store to HD. Granted all the SD stuff would have to remain with 'bars' on the sides.

Apple cannot ignore Blu-Ray as many suggest, Steve Jobs would know this sitting on Disney's board. Blu-Ray is here to stay, better get on board.

By the way, the transition to 16x9 screens would make for the perfect time to update the cases of the laptops, because there would be new geometry to the size of the cases.

All this I like and makes sense. :apple:

If they use Blu-ray and the format fails and years go by before the next revision, it will be known as the computer w/ essentially a Betamax drive built into it. But if it succeeds and years go by before the next revision, then they're behind the curve.

[dwl017]

All this I like and makes sense. :apple:

If they use Blu-ray and the format fails and years go by before the next revision, it will be known as the computer w/ essentially a Betamax drive built into it. But if it succeeds and years go by before the next revision, then they're behind the curve.

Blu-ray LOL LOL LOL what a joke

[motulist]

Blu-ray LOL LOL LOL what a joke

No, it's not a joke. Even if it fails as a movie format, it's pretty much certain that it's going to succeed as a burnable data format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Blu-ray_Disc_recordable

[macshill]

Yeah. I wish people would see the whole picture when it comes to it being able to have a large data storage format possibilities. And even if movies future is downloads by the Internet (which I don't think it is), I'd say a majority of people STILL want a hardcopy as a backup (besides the ease of transporting and sharing it).

[diamond.g]

As exhaustively said before by many, 99.99% of the market will NEVER open a computer case, let alone add a PCI board, which apart from hardcore gamers who need new bragging rights every quarter, is simply unknown and useless to any normal user. Apple is the ONLY company realizing that, and that's why it's so successful, growing more than double the ordinary IT sector.

I've never considered adding anything more than RAM, an external drive or assorted USB or FW devices...just as pretty much anyone out there...add-on boards had only two roles in the Mac's history...either to run PC software or to run Apple II software in the Mac LC...:rolleyes:

Shrug... I don't want an xMac as much as I want an iMac that I can replace my TV with. The only barrier is lack of digital cable and cable card support. My wife has already agreed that a 24" iMac would be a great replacement for our bedroom TV. I wish Elgato would hurry up and get the eyetv some cable card support. I don't want to buy a Vista box to do it...

Although I can see some people's point. If Apple is ever going to remove MS from the computer industry they will have to make an xMac at some point.

[137489]

No, it's not a joke. Even if it fails as a movie format, it's pretty much certain that it's going to succeed as a burnable data format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Blu-ray_Disc_recordable

Maybe, but here is my issue.

CD-R burns fine
DVD+-RW, many people on Dell laptops posted about issues (I was not the only one) of not burning DVD's properly.

Double Layer to get 8gb on one disk - only 2 out of 5 I tried on my macbook burns correctly, all other formats up through DVD-R, DVD+R I do not have a problem with. Double Layer, I get an error that the CPU lost connection with the drive.

I want blu-ray for data storage capacity, but not if it is buggy.

I only see blu-ray recording disks at target and there is usually only 1 or 2 packages on the shelf, so goes to show the demand is not there for it yet.

[thecartoonguy]

Yeah. I wish people would see the whole picture when it comes to it being able to have a large data storage format possibilities. And even if movies future is downloads by the Internet (which I don't think it is), I'd say a majority of people STILL want a hardcopy as a backup (besides the ease of transporting and sharing it).

I agree, sometimes I think we still live in a floppy disk world. :(

[motulist]

I agree, sometimes I think we still live in a floppy disk world. :(

Come on! Only millionaires and big businesses need to store files larger than 1.4 megabytes (1.3 and change formatted).

[137489]

If Apple is ever going to remove MS from the computer industry they will have to make an xMac at some point.

If Apple is every going to remove MS:

1. TV Card support - for those who want to have TV on their computer (why Would not know, except to record shows with)...

2. Much work on iwork to be more like office, and come out with a real MS-publisher style app. So far with iwork and bento, it is like MS-works on steriods.

3. touch-screen/tablet.

4. Lower the price of the macbooks or come out with a sub-macbook that is the same as the air - just lower the price to $700.

5. More USB ports. Seriously, I have a laptop cooler that has a 4 port USB hub. - I usually have more than 2 things plugged in.

6. ENTERPRISE PRODUCTS. Now there is a stumbling block, some places i ran into is so much in the MS mind-set they will not even allow a Linux server to just hold files. So instead of buying a $1000 server and put linux on it, they buy a $2000 server, and then spend the money for Windows 2003 server and wonder why it is slow and they have to reboot often.

7. More 3rd party software designers to take mac seriously.

But seriously folks, if people would just remove themselves from the MS-mindset. The only thing I used Windows for is specialized apps for work, .NET and MS-SQL (only because we support hospitals that run SQL and they already have Windows servers). Other than that. at home. I just use it for some apps I have not converted to apple yet. I am about to dump 3 more in about a week....

[137489]

I agree, sometimes I think we still live in a floppy disk world. :(

Would you believe the Dell that my work supplied me with still has a floppy?

I was in OfficeMax the other day and saw they still sold ZIP disks.

I have not used a floppy in 3 years, nor have I used an iomega zip drive in 5 years.

[diamond.g]

If Apple is every going to remove MS:

1. TV Card support - for those who want to have TV on their computer (why Would not know, except to record shows with)...

I agree 1 million %. My wife has approved the purchase of the 24" iMac for bedroom TV replacement. But I can't do it till there is cable card support.

[cameronjpu]

I agree 1 million %. My wife has approved the purchase of the 24" iMac for bedroom TV replacement. But I can't do it till there is cable card support.

You should talk to the guy 5 posts up who said the same thing! ;)

[captnfun]

Steve Jobs has already called Blu Ray an outright failure wrt content delivery so I doubt he is in any rush to incorporate the technology into the Mac product lines other than for HD storage/media etc. Although that is a legitimate reason for bringing in the technology, and we will no doubt see it at some point, it's not like Blu Ray is the be-all and end-all and some people mistakenly believe.

You'e right, its not the be-all and end-all, it is just a standard. Apple learned its lesson from SCSI, standard parts on PC's. Blu-ray is the standard now, does Apple with all of it's video production professionals want to be the last to integrate it? Oh yeah, they already are.

[iMacmatician]

Yeah. I wish people would see the whole picture when it comes to it being able to have a large data storage format possibilities. And even if movies future is downloads by the Internet (which I don't think it is), I'd say a majority of people STILL want a hardcopy as a backup (besides the ease of transporting and sharing it).I prefer flash drives for smaller data storage and hard drives for larger data storage.

[captnfun]

With all the talk of Blu-ray.

1. PLayer Still not in Wal-Mart
2. Only 1 player in target and its being discontinued
3. You have to go to a big box store like HHGreg, Best Buy, etc.
4. only a handful of movies out on blu-ray
5. blu-ray drives for computers (especially blu-ray burners - which is what most people want) is expensive [but coming down in price].
6. PC's always get the first of everything, and hence the bugginess - they usually adopt a way too early.

to me, I say blu-ray in a year or so. DVD players are like $20 now, and they are still flying off the shelf and look pretty dang good on an HD-LCD TV. Pus you should see the people scarfing up their favorite movie on DVD at wal-mart when they hit the 2/$11 bin. We just bought 6 more movies last night.

Absolutely wrong on all counts.

1. Wal-Mart has a Magnavox Blu-Ray player that is sub $300.
2. Target player is being discontinued, sony has a new bdp-350, better specs, faster loading time, and upgradable to the Blu-Ray 20. profile via firmware.
3. Not true, see above.
4. The studios are literally racing movies to blu-ray, have you walked the aisles of BestBuy recently? just wait until this christmas season (4 months away)
5. Yes pricey, but as you said coming down, available in Dell laptops at less than $1000 (Blu -ray reader)
6. Microsoft just had a news release that they are building Blu-ray support into the OS, if Apple, 'the Media people' dont do it soon, I would say this is a sign of armageddon.

We all like bargains, and those bargain DVD's will play just fine in your Blu-ray equipped Mac. Steve's Keynote at Macworld in 2005 proclaimed the year of HD, its 3 years later and nada.

[Xavier]

Did i really just read something about the Mac Mini?

[137489]

I agree 1 million %. My wife has approved the purchase of the 24" iMac for bedroom TV replacement. But I can't do it till there is cable card support.


Well, I do not know if it is going to happen, but here is an alternative. I high-end mini with an HD-LCD TV. Most HD-LCD TV have a PC (VGA) port on the back... Can't record shows with it, but you can watch. I may do that for my office when my wife's 15-inch KDS LCD dies (but LCD's do not die as quickly as the old boat-anchor style). Why spend $200-$500 on another monitor when I can spend that money and get a monitor and TV.

[iMacmatician]

Did i really just read something about the Mac Mini?And it's not about it being discontinued!

Maybe we'll see it redesigned like the rumor back in March. So maybe Apple's trying to revise all remaining old case designs at one time this year into the new style. If so, I can't help thinking that maybe Apple's trying to have a unified case design in preparation for something big soon after.

[macshill]

I prefer flash drives for smaller data storage and hard drives for larger data storage.

That's very fair to ask.

[macshill]

And it's not about it being discontinued!

Maybe we'll see it redesigned like the rumor back in March. So maybe Apple's trying to revise all remaining old case designs at one time this year into the new style. If so, I can't help thinking that maybe Apple's trying to have a unified case design in preparation for something big soon after.

I would have said "stick a fork in it, it's done" about the Mac Mini, but never say never w/ Apple (MS Office, Intel chips... hopefully, Blu-ray). Now if only Apple would see the light about watching and recording TV on your computer and using Slingboxes.

[137489]

Absolutely wrong on all counts.

1. Wal-Mart has a Magnavox Blu-Ray player that is sub $300.
2. Target player is being discontinued, sony has a new bdp-350, better specs, faster loading time, and upgradable to the Blu-Ray 20. profile via firmware.
3. Not true, see above.
4. The studios are literally racing movies to blu-ray, have you walked the aisles of BestBuy recently? just wait until this christmas season (4 months away)
5. Yes pricey, but as you said coming down, available in Dell laptops at less than $1000 (Blu -ray reader)
6. Microsoft just had a news release that they are building Blu-ray support into the OS, if Apple, 'the Media people' dont do it soon, I would say this is a sign of armageddon.

We all like bargains, and those bargain DVD's will play just fine in your Blu-ray equipped Mac. Steve's Keynote at Macworld in 2005 proclaimed the year of HD, its 3 years later and nada.

Where do you live:

1. Have not seen one in my WalMart.
2. Probably why they are discontinuing it, but there is no mention in Target of a new one. Just says Discontinued and most of the blu-ray movie slots in the case were empty - there were only 4 movies.
3/4. I tend to not frequent Best-Buy much. if I do, it is because I can't get something somewhere else. I hate their high-prices and the fact that 1/2 the people don't have a clue. Well, except for 2 things - they feel the same way about Dell and Vista as most people - its crap. But seriously, I do not see many stores stocking blu0ray recordable media or movies much. Oh, I think by Christmas more will be out.
5. Reader - most people want to burn blu-ray due to the high data storage and to create high-end movies (of course provided the source is any good). But hey its a start.
6. Arg. MS. But, since Gates is Gone, Ballmer is nuts, and MS says they are changing strategy - looks like some interesting times ahead. I think the Apple vs MS war is gonna go from ballistics to nukes in terms of what each tries to offer.

[macshill]

Blu-ray player search:
http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&ic=48_0&search_query=blu-ray+player

Here in Canada: None at Wal-Mart... at least online, or at Zellers... ditto (our low-rent version of Target). :(

[kabunaru]

Can the Mac Mini actually become low-end mid-range desktop now (with an mid-range graphic card but not that upgradeable)?

[macbook123]

Here's what I am puzzled about: if Apple doesn't use LED's in their new Displays, they may be obsolete in less than a year. However if they use LED's, the 30 inch model would be ridiculously expensive! Currently these are above $4k, see e.g. the Samsung XL30. Even a 23 inch one would probably be at least $2k, putting it out of reach for most of us.

So what, besides a mere design upgrade (including maybe an internal webcam), should we anticipate?

[rhett7660]

Lets hope an update for something other then the iPhone comes. I am waiting for a new lap top and this should be about the right time for that!!!!

[kabunaru]

So what, besides a mere design upgrade (including maybe an internal webcam), should we anticipate?

H-IPS, HDCP-certified, 24" model replaces 23" model and a black frame around the display like the aluminium iMac.

[CWallace]

If you are serious about using optical storage for back-ups, you really need to be using DVD-RAM and HD DVD-RAM. True random access reading and writing and built-in error correction.

I no longer backup to optical (portable HDD is so much cheaper, faster and easier), but when I did, I used DVD-RAM.

[gnasher729]

Would you believe the Dell that my work supplied me with still has a floppy?

I was in OfficeMax the other day and saw they still sold ZIP disks.

I have not used a floppy in 3 years, nor have I used an iomega zip drive in 5 years.

About fifteen years ago, the floppy drive in my Mac at work broke. So I removed the drive, I was supposed to get a replacement, but somehow it never happened.

About a year later, for some reason I got a floppy disk that I wanted to read. Put it in the hole where the floppy drive was (which never had been replaced), and it dropped right through. Had to open the case to get the floppy out :o

[captnfun]

Blu-ray player search:
http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&ic=48_0&search_query=blu-ray+player

Here in Canada: None at Wal-Mart... at least online, or at Zellers... ditto (our low-rent version of Target). :(

Followed your link, and 15 results at Walmart.com, 5 of them are standalone players, mine went to the U.S. Store.(not Canada)

Also Costco has one right now for $379, with Hundreds of boxes below it.

By the way I live in California, near Sacramento. I would bet that the Black Firday sales will have Blu-Ray players for $250, maybe even $199 for a few hours.

I am still using the DVD player I bought for $250 when they first came out.

Blu-ray will be one of the longest lasting standards, because of 2 simple numbers 1920 by 1080. It will take the government FOREVER to change that standard again. We have had 640x480 since almost the beginning of broadcast TV.

[babyj]

We all know what happened the last time Apple decided to launch a bunch of things at once. NOT A GOOD IDEA GUYS!

I was thinking the same, whilst there is no major software or online stuff involved this time it still seems a real bad idea to me.

They reduce the number of days press coverage - two launch events means twice as much coverage as one launch event. Apple have always been good at this before and milked the coverage by spreading out product launches.

It must really strain their resources rather than spreading them out as well across the entire organisation - marketing, manufacturing, design, engineering and so on.

I know its a bit of a jump but its getting more and more like a company spinning out of control as a result of their success and not being able to cope with the work load. If this is the case things could go badly wrong if they don't get it under control.

[137489]

Blu-ray player search:
http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&ic=48_0&search_query=blu-ray+player

Here in Canada: None at Wal-Mart... at least online, or at Zellers... ditto (our low-rent version of Target). :(

Yep, like most things are getting - online only. Most that say in-stores, return the following though:

Model #: BD-1500/XAA
We found no stores within 100 miles of 27217 that carry this product. Please try a new search. (In-stock status is approximate and was last updated on 08/26/2008 at 10:38 AM, E.T.)

Panasonic DMP-BD30PP-K Blu-ray Disc Player, Black
Model #: DMPBD30K
We found no stores within 100 miles of 27217 that carry this product. Please try a new search. (In-stock status is approximate and was last updated on 08/26/2008 at 10:38 AM, E.T.)


I found 2 of the blu-ray players on the list for Wal-mart that were close (well about 30 miles away and some of those stores say limited stock).

Target - only 2 players show available in stores, 1 of those is out of stock at stores, the other is 25 to 40 miles away

[gnasher729]

I am missing something... what is the definition of 'user replaceable'? You can argue everything Apple has is user replaceable, if the user wants to take it apart and put it together with some hassle. I've replaced hard drives on all my laptops so far, but you have to work at it a little.

If you rate the difficulty, I'd say on a scale from 0 to 10 replacing the MacBook hard drive is a 2, and MacBook Pro more like 7 or 8.

[Lesser Evets]

If you rate the difficulty, I'd say on a scale from 0 to 10 replacing the MacBook hard drive is a 2, and MacBook Pro more like 7 or 8.

Well neither is really a 'user replaceable' hard drive, since they are sealed in and I believe replacing either voids warranty.

What I would consider user replaceable would be something you can access and remove with minimal tools and difficulty. It would be nice on a laptop, but Mac has never had those kinds of drives on laptops, that I remember. Don't think they will any time soon, despite the obvious benefit to the laptop owner.

[137489]

Well neither is really a 'user replaceable' hard drive, since they are sealed in and I believe replacing either voids warranty.

What I would consider user replaceable would be something you can access and remove with minimal tools and difficulty. It would be nice on a laptop, but Mac has never had those kinds of drives on laptops, that I remember. Don't think they will any time soon, despite the obvious benefit to the laptop owner.

Hate to bring up PC laptops, but what the above guy is talking about:

1. Had a toshiba - popped of the snap on plastic cover and pulled the tab; out it came.

2. Had a Dell - removed 4 screws to take off a cover and exposed the drive.

My macbook - well, I bought a 250 drive so not something I plan on doing anytime soon, but looks like I have to dis-assemble a lot.

[Lesser Evets]

Hate to bring up PC laptops, but what the above guy is talking about:

I know they have had such things on other laptops, but never Apple.

[137489]

About fifteen years ago, the floppy drive in my Mac at work broke. So I removed the drive, I was supposed to get a replacement, but somehow it never happened.

About a year later, for some reason I got a floppy disk that I wanted to read. Put it in the hole where the floppy drive was (which never had been replaced), and it dropped right through. Had to open the case to get the floppy out :o

Well, you could've got some use out of that broken drive...

http://www.engsoc.org/~pat/log/20040527.jpg

Can you even buy floppy disks anymore (well, maybe online - you can get anything on line)? I see TigerDirect still sells internal and external drives, but I have not seen a floppy in stores in years.

[137489]

I know they have had such things on other laptops, but never Apple.

Maybe a good thing... I had an old IBM once, I could not get a replacement or larger drive. It was one of the first machines that used smaller height drived, most laptop drives then were thicker.

Dell, I had to get a drive from them; most would not plug in. It was not the pin configuration, it was the way it went into the case - the pins would not line up correctly when you slid it in.

I also had other laptop drive compatibility issues.

[queshy]

This is getting exciting!!!

[varchar]

If looking at the history of Apple and its strategy, history shows us that there will be new apple updates... hey just look at what happened with iphone a few months ago... you think it just happened to be that no iphones available in stores? nope... that was the plan... :)

i hope this upcoming update will be for macbook pros... :) waiting anxiously for it.... imagine if it is going to be like the air (the fake image :) ) would be cool... would attract lots of buyers...

[THX1139]

I can see that happening. Apple doesn't usually overhaul that many products all at once. Might be another event in October.

Not another event... but it will be the second week of October. ;)

[Brien]

I don't think that the laptops need any redesign. Not that I own one but still, why change for the sake of it?

The MBP really needs a magnetic latch. The lid bowing is annoying. :(

[kabunaru]

This is getting exciting!!!

Yes, it is.
The updates should be worth it.

[Brien]

No. But if I were running Apple I'd make damned ********** sure there was one. I wouldn't want to subject myself to the whims of Adobe. I am dead certain purely in the subjective sense. And I have served on a jury once. Very interesting. :)

Agreed. That and a good 3d app. Maya's great, but it doesn't have the Apple touch. It'd be easy too, they could just commercialize RenderMan. Call it Render Pro. Bada-bing, bada-boom.

[viccles]

I would be happy with a redesigned MB or more portable MBP. I don't ask much? :d

[unix494]

i been waiting for my Macbook Pro
since last December!!

when i heard about the case design and many new hardware
updates , esp the graphics card, i been waiting ever since..

i thought they gonna introduce the new notebook around WWDC
but my judgement fails me

so i really hope they gonna introduce the notebooks
on Sept 9th

my college started already (freshmen)
and i feel left out when everyone else
have their brand new laptop...except for me..:(

[MattInOz]

I can see that happening. Apple doesn't usually overhaul that many products all at once. Might be another event in October.

Depends what the updates are right.
I mean it's happened before, a rolling release of update products with an event in the middle for a major update. then bang at the end product overhauled completely.

So next week could be update to MacMini
iPod Event the week after
Next week maybe some processor bumps for Mac Pro + Cinema Displays.
all to build up the hype.

Last week MacBook Pro complete overhaul refresh to stay on the Front Page for a month or so. It will be the big draw card in the near future.

[dwl017]

i been waiting for my Macbook Pro
since last December!!

when i heard about the case design and many new hardware
updates , esp the graphics card, i been waiting ever since..

i thought they gonna introduce the new notebook around WWDC
but my judgement fails me

so i really hope they gonna introduce the notebooks
on Sept 9th

my college started already (freshmen)
and i feel left out when everyone else
have their brand new laptop...except for me..:(

Looks like all your classmates had enough common sense not to wait on a rumored notebook while you were wasting your time on Mac Rumors they were at the cash register. Its post like this that really make me roll on the floor laughing :D Your professor should make you sit in the corner with a dunce hat on with an Apple logo on top LOL LOL

[CWallace]

My macbook - well, I bought a 250 drive so not something I plan on doing anytime soon, but looks like I have to dis-assemble a lot.

It's not too terrible, having done it myself to put in a 320GB unit. Apple could certainly make it easier (ala the MacBook) and hopefully will with the next revision.

Now swapping drives on a first generation Sony Vaio laptop on the otherhand... That was a pain in the arse... :eek:

[unix494]

Looks like all your classmates had enough common sense not to wait on a rumored notebook while you were wasting your time on Mac Rumors they were at the cash register. Its post like this that really make me roll on the floor laughing :D Your professor should make you sit in the corner with a dunce hat on with an Apple logo on top LOL LOL



haha!!!
yeah thats kinda me..=D

mainly im just waiting for the graphics updates

im a commuter student
i already have a mac pro at home
so its all good

[digitalbiker]

With all the talk of Blu-ray.

only a handful of movies out on blu-ray



Well you can hold a lot in your hand then.

Blu-ray.com lists over 1500 current titles in Blu-ray 1080p. Almost every new movie being released to DVD is also simultaneously released on blu-ray.

New releases average $24 a movie and older titles about $18.00, bargain releases run about $14.00.

[kabunaru]

I would be happy with a redesigned MB or more portable MBP. I don't ask much? :d

I would be happy even if the MacBook just goes aluminium. Something to look like the 12" PowerBook G4. :D

[ttech10]

Yeah. I wish people would see the whole picture when it comes to it being able to have a large data storage format possibilities. And even if movies future is downloads by the Internet (which I don't think it is), I'd say a majority of people STILL want a hardcopy as a backup (besides the ease of transporting and sharing it).

I would ALWAYS choose a hard copy over a digital copy. Heck, how else can I EASILY and QUICKLY move around a hard copy rather than a digital one? I will quite possibly never buy HD movies because I doubt they're actually "true/full HD" with full 7.1 surround. Plus I've lost too much stuff due to data corruption to not want hard copies.

If anything it is looking like internet full HD movie downloads are going to die by the time they start with all these data caps ISP's have. Full 1080p Transformers on MKV format is 10GB's (at least mine anyways) and with most of the ISP's (that have data caps) it means that anywhere between downloading (legally) 1-3 HD movies would mean you have no internet for the rest of the month.

[m1stake]

I will check the Micro Center stock levels of the items mentioned to see if they have been discontinued ("Z deck") in our system. I've never watched them before, so I don't know how soon they Z deck them before a refresh. Won't be at work tomorrow, but I'll send a few e-mails. Otherwise you'll have to wait for my oh-so-important, groundbreaking information until Thursday.

[Shot22]

haha!!!
yeah thats kinda me..=D

mainly im just waiting for the graphics updates

im a commuter student
i already have a mac pro at home
so its all good

Don't worry. I'm a freshman and I'm in the same situation. These notebooks will have to come out eventually, right? Right?!

[macshill]

Well, you could've got some use out of that broken drive...

Can you even buy floppy disks anymore (well, maybe online - you can get anything on line)? I see TigerDirect still sells internal and external drives, but I have not seen a floppy in stores in years.

haha That's awesome! :D

http://i36.tinypic.com/oazyvs.jpg

I estimated the final death date of it in mine.

[macshill]

I would ALWAYS choose a hard copy over a digital copy. Heck, how else can I EASILY and QUICKLY move around a hard copy rather than a digital one? I will quite possibly never buy HD movies because I doubt they're actually "true/full HD" with full 7.1 surround. Plus I've lost too much stuff due to data corruption to not want hard copies.

If anything it is looking like internet full HD movie downloads are going to die by the time they start with all these data caps ISP's have. Full 1080p Transformers on MKV format is 10GB's (at least mine anyways) and with most of the ISP's (that have data caps) it means that anywhere between downloading (legally) 1-3 HD movies would mean you have no internet for the rest of the month.

Also... think about this plan of ISPs to start charging you for overages when you d/l past your limit (they of course won't reimburse you when you go under, but that's a horse beating for another day).

HD camcorders can go hand-in-hand w/ blank Blu-ray discs for HD home movies. And for film student, a pretty darn sharp lookin' presentation.

And while you wait for season two of 'Gossip Girl' to be released on Blu-ray, you record a season worth of eppys to tide you over. I could go on all day! :D

[RMo]

Well neither is really a 'user replaceable' hard drive, since they are sealed in and I believe replacing either voids warranty.

What I would consider user replaceable would be something you can access and remove with minimal tools and difficulty. It would be nice on a laptop, but Mac has never had those kinds of drives on laptops, that I remember. Don't think they will any time soon, despite the obvious benefit to the laptop owner.

I don't know anything about the MacBook Pro (I don't have one and have never replaced a HD in one), but it is certainly not sealed off in the MacBook, and replacing it does not void your warranty--Apple even has instructions on how to do it (it's in the manual! ...and it's online). All you have to do is remove the battery and unscrew an L-shaped cover that provides access to the RAM (also user-accessible) and hard drive. The hard drive slides out and can be screwed into or out of the holder, which slides it in and has a tab for pulling it out.

Pretty easy and accessible by any standard, Apple or otherwise, for laptops. The Pro, on the other hand... :)

[hiimamac]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

While rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/25/apple-event-for-september-9th/) have focused on iPod Nano and iPod Touch updates as early as September 9th, the fate of the MacBook Pros and other updates have been less clear.

It appears, however, that Apple could be prepping for a wide range of product updates, with signals to at least some resellers to halt resupplies of Mac minis, MacBook Pros, iPods and even Cinema Displays.

Unfortunately, reseller signals can be misleading and could simply represent temporary supply shortages. Best Buy, for example, had shortages (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/07/18/apple-prepping-for-notebook-refresh/) of MacBooks towards the end of July.

Our buyer's guide (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/) does show that many of Apple's products are due for revision.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/26/resellers-getting-signals-for-a-wide-range-of-apple-updates/)

Did I call it or what! LOL.

Post 54 (I think? :p:p:p)

Have a lot of friends at Apple and trust me, running out of stock = less REFRESH (returns, too bad for apple employee's though as they can save like 35% on returned items) where I posted yesterday, no STOCK (last was Wi-FI (before n speed express and of course, not the iPhone), but to me it doesn't make sense unless they somehow think Christmas is going to do it.

I think the price cuts will happen first, new iPods, then in OCT new mac line if not Nov. Then again, who knows as Apple always (so it seems), takes a look at these sort of boards and releases it a day off or two AND sometimes surprises us, just so we can be wrong. (yeah, okay, Apple does this to get us huh..._


LOL

Oppps, forgot to post my called it link...
Ahh never mind, it was post #54 in yesterdays SEPT 9th news thread.

[hiimamac]

Well, I do not know if it is going to happen, but here is an alternative. I high-end mini with an HD-LCD TV. Most HD-LCD TV have a PC (VGA) port on the back... Can't record shows with it, but you can watch. I may do that for my office when my wife's 15-inch KDS LCD dies (but LCD's do not die as quickly as the old boat-anchor style). Why spend $200-$500 on another monitor when I can spend that money and get a monitor and TV.

Out of ANYTHING they (APPLE) could do would be, HELLO? Add a dedicated GPU ON EVERY MAC. Why bother to cripple it? Why? Really? Honestly? Why?
The PRO user is a fraction now of the doggie barking, baby crying, Louis Vuitton to Walmart iMac buyers, we are just a snippet in the scope of Apple's rifle. Really Apple, time to drop the paranoid, losing the PRO market to consumer products fear. Time to grow up and just deliver.

Just my .02 cents.

[wpc33]

My predictions based on rumors and odds:

Sept:
iPod Classic, Nano, Touch.
Aluminum MacBook
MacBook Pro
Mac Mini
iWork & iLife '09

Sept OR Jan:
ACD with HDCP
BluRay

January:
Nehalem Mac Pro
BOOM Mac Tablet
One more thing...Snow Leopard


I won't be surprised if this is wrong or right. It will be a cool 5 months to be an :apple: lover!

[macshill]

...Then again, who knows as Apple always (so it seems), takes a look at these sort of boards and releases it a day off or two AND sometimes surprises us, just so we can be wrong.

Read the forums and pivot accordingly, eh? In that case...

Apple, we don't really need a price drop for MacBooks then. *hoping BB is watching reversed psychology will prevail* ;) :D

[johnsy]

Cool. I hope they will:
1 reduce the price
2 offer improved product
3 older models will get very cheap.