iPods, Notebooks, and... iMacs before the Holidays?

[mjteix]

Hmmm....

http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data/nnews/2008/11521/Image/eclipse-up-small.jpg http://www.hardwarezone.com/news/view.php?id=11521&cid=

Nehalem and X58 are looking very good right now...

Quad Core i7, 24 GiB of DDR3, SLI, hmmmmm.

__________

Maybe we'll see the single socket Mac Pro Junior - the fabled mini-tower soon!

Here's a dual cpu version from Supermicro:
http://images.vnu.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/23/supermicro-shows-four-nehalem/supermicro_x8da3-i.jpg

Tylersburg workstation board
The first two were very similar, the X8DT3 and the X8DT3/i pictured above. The former has two sockets and an Intel IOH-36D chipset (aka Tylersburg). It will support three PCIe 2.0 8x slots, one physically 16x, and a lone 4x as well. There are eight LSI-based SAS ports, six SATA, dual LAN, VGA, six USB and optional KVMs.
If you lose the KVM and add in two full 16x slots instead of three 8x, you have a good idea what the /i variant is. The base board is for servers, the /i is for workstations. /i also loses the SAS ports, you can see the blanks on the lower left, but other than that, it is basically the same thing.

[jpmittins]

Well, I've been holding off making the switch to Mac, waiting for 2 things to reach the iMac range.

1. Built in Blue-Ray Player - I'm not really interested in writing, just playing

2. New video card - I spend most of my time gaming, so that's pretty much a must-have.

I was considering going to to Mac Pro, for about as long as it took me to find out it was a Xeon based system. ECC memory is a huge pain in the wallet, since I would never settle for less than 4GB memory.

I'm sorry, it just cracks me up when someone says they want better gaming ability for a Mac. That's what gaming PC's are for.

[kabunaru]

That's what gaming PC's are for.

And why cannot the Macs be gaming machines as well?

[.Chris]

I'm sorry, it just cracks me up when someone says they want better gaming ability for a Mac. That's what gaming PC's are for.

as kabunaru said why cant macs be used for gaming too? also ever heard of boot camp? running XP or vista on the mac? :rolleyes:

And why cannot the Macs be gaming machines as well?

[findnemo]

I'm sorry, it just cracks me up when someone says they want better gaming ability for a Mac. That's what gaming PC's are for.

You know the saying "we aren't laughing with you; we are laughing AT you?"

Thats what's happening right this second. I game on my Mac, all the time. Wow on OSX, TF2, BF2, Source, on bootcamp.

The days of lolmac gaming are over.

P.S- This is on a ****** first gen x1600 MBP.

[iMacmatician]

And why cannot the Macs be gaming machines as well?And it's not like all gamers need SLI'd GTX 280s or anything like that. I think most Mac gamers would be satisfied with one reasonably high-end new GPU.

[.Chris]

And it's not like all gamers need SLI'd GTX 280s or anything like that. I think most Mac gamers would be satisfied with one reasonably high-end new GPU.

technically no gamer needs that. its just nice to have but its not a requirement..

[kabunaru]

And it's not like all gamers need SLI'd GTX 280s or anything like that. I think most Mac gamers would be satisfied with one reasonably high-end new GPU.

iMac can have the 4850 Mobility as standard, the Mac Pro should just have the 4870 as standard.
MacBook can have an low-end ATI GPU (ATI 3200 IGP?) and MacBook Pro can have the 4850 mobility if the power draw is not too high.

Everybody would be happy then.

[jpmittins]

Okay, to all Mac gamers out there:
It makes me laugh when people want better graphics options and gaming ability in a Mac because they are not made to be gaming machines. And for a lot of games, Boot Camp its necessary (which means buying a copy of Windows anyway). So when people say that they want better gaming options in their Macs, it makes me laugh because they generally have to go to Boot Camp anyway, which just seems strange to me. Since you're using Boot Camp, you're basically using a PC anyway and when people complain about not being able to run certain games because their Mac isn't powerful enough, I just get confused as to why they expect a non-gaming machine to game to their full expectations. That's all, I'm not insulting any Mac gamers out there.

However, if you're such a big gamer, I don't understand why you wouldn't just get a console. Just my opinion.

[kabunaru]

Okay, to all Mac gamers out there:
It makes me laugh when people want better graphics options and gaming ability in a Mac because they are not made to be gaming machines. And for a lot of games, Boot Camp its necessary (which means buying a copy of Windows anyway). So when people say that they want better gaming options in their Macs, it makes me laugh because they generally have to go to Boot Camp anyway, which just seems strange to me. Since you're using Boot Camp, you're basically using a PC anyway and when people complain about not being able to run certain games because their Mac isn't powerful enough, I just get confused as to why they expect a non-gaming machine to game to their full expectations. That's all, I'm not insulting any Mac gamers out there.

However, if you're such a big gamer, I don't understand why you wouldn't just get a console. Just my opinion.

Ok, I have an PS2, MacBook and iMac. I game on the PS2 (two games only and my favourites: Max Payne and Mercenaries). I play Age of Empires II and Halo Demo on the MacBook (which I do not use Windows for). The iMac is more of my video editing station. Macs can be used for gaming and I am surprised that people say to get an PC or game console for gaming? What if we already have an console and want to do some gaming on our Macs? Why don't we have the freedom choice to game on the Mac if want to and we do not want a PC? Why does society look down upon people who game on the Mac (to me it seems)? :confused:

As for the better video cards, sure, better is better but I am happy with I got.

[jpmittins]

Ok, I have an PS2, MacBook and iMac. I game on the PS2 (two games only and my favourites: Max Payne and Mercenaries). I play Age of Empires II and Halo Demo on the MacBook (which I do not use Windows for). The iMac is more of my video editing station. Macs can be used for gaming and I am surprised that people say to get an PC or game console for gaming? What if we already have an console and want to do some gaming on our Macs? Why don't we have the freedom choice to game on the Mac if want to and we do not want a PC? Why does society look down upon people who game on the Mac (to me it seems)? :confused:

As for the better video cards, sure, better is better but I am happy with I got.

Well, not all games for PC are on Mac, so that is a reason to game on PC. I just like the idea of console gaming better, but that's just me. I don't even game that much though, so it's not a big concern to me. You can play on whatever you want, I just think when people complain about Macs not being able to play games as well as their gaming PC's, they're overlooking a major point: Macs were not made to be gaming machines and never will be simply because there are not enough games for the Mac. If you want to game at an intense level, get something that was meant to do that. Don't complain because your machine that wasn't made to game can't perform up to your expectations. Of course, you many disagree. Also, I may sound like a jerk right now, but I really don't mean any malice in my posts.

[kabunaru]

Well, not all games for PC are on Mac, so that is a reason to game on PC. I just like the idea of console gaming better, but that's just me. I don't even game that much though, so it's not a big concern to me. You can play on whatever you want, I just think when people complain about Macs not being able to play games as well as their gaming PC's, they're overlooking a major point: Macs were not made to be gaming machines and never will be simply because there are not enough games for the Mac. If you want to game at an intense level, get something that was meant to do that. Don't complain because your machine that wasn't made to game can't perform up to your expectations. Of course, you many disagree. Also, I may sound like a jerk right now, but I really don't mean any malice in my posts.

And there will still be many people who will disagree with you.
Are you also saying that Mac people should not game on their Macs because they have a Mac and Macs are not designed for gaming? Sorry if I misinterpreted your post.

[jpmittins]

And there will still be many people who will disagree with you.
Are you also saying that Mac people should not game on their Macs because they have a Mac and Macs are not designed for gaming? Sorry if I misinterpreted your post.

I'm okay with people disagreeing with me; everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And no, I'm not saying Mac users shouldn't game on their Macs, I'm saying that they shouldn't complain when their Mac can't perform as well as a gaming machine as they want it to.

[kabunaru]

I'm okay with people disagreeing with me; everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And no, I'm not saying Mac users shouldn't game on their Macs, I'm saying that they shouldn't complain when their Mac can't perform as well as a gaming machine as they want it to.

What Mac(s) do you have and do you play computer games on your Mac?

[jpmittins]

What Mac(s) do you have and do you play computer games on your Mac?

I don't game; I've just heard some people say that they wanted more powerful graphics cards to play PC specific games. Which to me seems dumb; why get a Mac to play a game meant for a PC?

[artistwithajob]

I apologize if this has already been asked/answered in this thread (I scanned rather quickly), but I have been planning on purchasing an iMac in the next few weeks because typically this is the time of year Jobs announces new/updated products. (Of course after the 9/15 education promo deadline.)

My dilemma: I need a new home computer. As a photographer working on my newest series of images, I was devastated, but willing buy the 24" iMac regardless of the glossy screen. Ideally, I'd have enough images put together for entering the higher ed job search, which I'd like to have packets to send out for November/December deadlines. Meaning, I'd prefer not to wait until January. BUT would the updates be significant enough to have waited? Would buyers have the choice between regular and glossy screens? (Glossy is a nightmare for color calibration and output, regardless of RIP.) :confused:

Does anyone have any real suggestions or helpful information as to my situation? I have been checking this site for years (especially the Buying Guide when suggesting systems for students ready to purchase). This is the first time in a long time that new products, updated products and release dates have lingered in such speculation for such a long duration. I know a lot of it is due to wild rumors and Apple's sporadic updates, releases and retractions.

Help..?

Other Info: As an asst prof, my university updates my "office" computer every three years. This school year I should be receiving a MacBook Pro, which I absolutely cannot use for personal means (unless it is personal research, information for presentations, publishing, etc.) due to the literal "witch hunt" in campus computing going on right now in a multitude of universities. Should I access anything university-related that I would have to login for (e.g. email, blackboard, advising, etc.) from a personal home computer, it can be confiscated along with an office computer for any perceived violation. (A colleague dealt with this after an anonymous email from the university website – of course the investigators found no ethical or other violations, but still...)

[iParis]

Hmm.... I just thought of something I should have mentioned earlier...

... if the iPod touch has a black/white back cover like the iPhone 3G, we will no longer be able to use the back as a mirror! :eek::eek::eek:
I love doing that!:p

[kabunaru]

I apologize if this has already been asked/answered in this thread (I scanned rather quickly), but I have been planning on purchasing an iMac in the next few weeks because typically this is the time of year Jobs announces new/updated products. (Of course after the 9/15 education promo deadline.)

My dilemma: I need a new home computer. As a photographer working on my newest series of images, I was devastated, but willing buy the 24" iMac regardless of the glossy screen. Ideally, I'd have enough images put together for entering the higher ed job search, which I'd like to have packets to send out for November/December deadlines. Meaning, I'd prefer not to wait until January. BUT would the updates be significant enough to have waited? Would buyers have the choice between regular and glossy screens? (Glossy is a nightmare for color calibration and output, regardless of RIP.) :confused:

Does anyone have any real suggestions or helpful information as to my situation? I have been checking this site for years (especially the Buying Guide when suggesting systems for students ready to purchase). This is the first time in a long time that new products, updated products and release dates have lingered in such speculation for such a long duration. I know a lot of it is due to wild rumors and Apple's sporadic updates, releases and retractions.

Help..?
I will say wait it wait out and see what happens. If an iMac is not released, you could always buy an refurbished iMac for less money. I still see these new iMacs having Glossy screens but if you want Matte, here is an option:
http://www.photodon.com/lcdprotect-sheet.htm

As for your other information, I am not sure how I could help you there.

[Clayne]

Maybe if Apple gave their Macs better graphics cards, and made their Macs better suited for even the most general game playing, we'd see more and more games that are Mac-compatible.

[t0mat0]

So, "iPods, Notebooks, and ... iMacs before the Holidays?"
- When's the U.S. holiday period start that's being mentioned?

[jpmittins]

So, "iPods, Notebooks, and ... iMacs before the Holidays?"
- When's the U.S. holiday period start that's being mentioned?

Most probably Thanksgiving/Christmas. That's what Jobs kept saying when the iPods were updated last year. He was saying that Apple had lots of great new stuff for the holidays (i.e. Christmas).

[macjiro]

Agreed. New products seem to come out mainly at MWSF anyway.

Probably January 2009 or so.

Theoretically, assuming perfect scaling:

In single-threaded and two-threaded tasks, the 2.53 GHz quad-core is 83% as fast as the 3.07 GHz dual-core.
In multi-threaded tasks, the 2.53 GHz quad-core is 65% faster than the 3.07 GHz dual-core.

Thats a pretty significant difference.
DumbQ...if i'm running XP in bootcamp (32bit), will that take advantage of the QuadCore even if i'm using software that can handle multi-thread? One of my main apps would not believe. So, it might be ok if i buy a current Imac then...

[AidenShaw]

Thats a pretty significant difference.
DumbQ...if i'm running XP in bootcamp (32bit), will that take advantage of the QuadCore even if i'm using software that can handle multi-thread? One of my main apps would not believe. So, it might be ok if i buy a current Imac then...

Note that the description assumed "perfect scaling" - that's just comparing the clock ratios.

In real world work, disk accesses and memory access times will put the quad and the dual much closer in performance (for example, they'll probably rip a CD with a single or dual threaded app in about the same time, since CD drive and disk access times will be significant - and the same on both systems).

XP handles quad cores just fine. Even if a single app can't use all cores, the system will be able to run multiple apps to use the cores - and in general feel more responsive when something is working in the background.

[macjiro]

Cool. I will wait and go with QuadCore then. I really hope a new Imac by end of year is QuadCore. Won't there be an issue with heat within the slim Imac frame?

[Somprp]

I wish the Macbook Pro come out soon because i am waiting to buy it. But i don't think it will come out this soon i might have to wait for a bit. Ahhh i guess i used my Tecra M3 till the end of the year i guess

[gnikcjack]

I've only recently made the decision to switch to mac, and so I had no idea how this site usually works. I've been caught up in the frenzy over the fabled new macbooks, and I've gotten myself all excited over the rumors. I did, however, decided to read through macrumors announcements over the past several macbook updates, on the day they came out, and I'm starting to get over the hype. It seems that every time it gets close to update time, everyone starts believing all the rumors, and the update just ends up disappointing to all involved. Don't get me wrong, I wait with bated breath for an aluminum macbook with glass trackpad and multitouch, but I know it's unlikely that we will see all of these rumors come to fruition. Who knows, Apple could come through with something awesome...

This post is probably reiterating what all of you have come to accept as fact, so I apologize for my naivety. I sure as hell hope I can read through this in a couple of weeks and laugh at how wrong I was.

[vendettabass]

Cool. I will wait and go with QuadCore then. I really hope a new Imac by end of year is QuadCore. Won't there be an issue with heat within the slim Imac frame?


doubt it really, they managed to get a G5 in the iMac a few years back which I believe ran hotter than even a desktop Intel CPU

[CWallace]

(See below)

[Ironduke]

And why cannot the Macs be gaming machines as well?

Because Uncle steve gives us crumbs in the gfx card department.

[jpmittins]

Because Uncle steve gives us crumbs in the gfx card department.

While I agree with you, please don't get him started again. He finally stopped yelling at me about that, I don't want you to get involved with his crap too.

[Ironduke]

While I agree with you, please don't get him started again. He finally stopped yelling at me about that, I don't want you to get involved with his crap too.

Its a fair comment though.

How many of us have made smart arsed Vista insults and jokes about windows PC's, Virus's etc..

Mac Gaming is in the same league, when you compare it to PC Gaming

[iMacmatician]

The 2.27GHz quad-core has the same TDP as the current 3.06GHz dual-core and the price for the CPUs is the same.

The 2.53GHz quad-core is about 10w higher, but the fans should be able to handle it. However, the CPU is about $300 more expensive then the 3.06GHz unit.Wait… so the 2.27 GHz is 45 W and the 2.53 GHz is 55 W?

:mad:

[mjteix]

The 2.27GHz quad-core has the same TDP as the current 3.06GHz dual-core and the price for the CPUs is the same.

The 2.53GHz quad-core is about 10w higher, but the fans should be able to handle it. However, the CPU is about $300 more expensive then the 3.06GHz unit.

Got it wrong:

Q9100 quad 2.26GHz TDP is 35W, $851
X9100 dual 3.06GHz TDP is 44W, $851
QX9300 quad 2.53GHz TDP is 45W, $1,038

[garyoke]

The current interent buzz is that MBs and MBPs won't get their update till October.

[.Chris]

The current interent buzz is that MBs and MBPs won't get their update till October.

or September 16th.... (for the notebooks)

eirhter way it would be great for the Christmas season. Macworld may be the time for blu-ray, snow leopard, a major update to apple TV and may be the new mac "nano". you know the major product updates.....

[CWallace]

Wait… so the 2.27 GHz is 45 W and the 2.53 GHz is 55 W?

No, my recall was faulty when I typed that.

The 2.53GHz QX9300 has the same TDP as the 3.06GHz part in the iMac and the 2.26GHz Q9100 has the same TDP as the 2.6GHz part in the MacBook Pro.

So we could conceivably see the QX9300 in the iMac and the Q9100 in the MacBook Pro.

[kabunaru]

While I agree with you, please don't get him started again. He finally stopped yelling at me about that, I don't want you to get involved with his crap too.

I was not yelling at you, I was just discussing and why do you assume that I am crap?

[macjiro]

In single-threaded and two-threaded tasks, the 2.53 GHz quad-core is 83% as fast as the 3.07 GHz dual-core.
In multi-threaded tasks, the 2.53 GHz quad-core is 65% faster than the 3.07 GHz dual-core.

You guys have jedi-powers with all the number-crunching. :D
I was thinking....how about if you compared a MacPro Quad 2.66 to
a futuristic Imac Quad 2.27/2.53? How would they compare? And which would you go for?

[jpmittins]

I was not yelling at you, I was just discussing and why do you assume that I am crap?

I'm not starting this again. And I didn't say you were crap, I said your arguing was annoying (i.e. crap).

[Cheffy Dave]

If Apple refreshes the iMac, its time to ditch the 20" LCD - go 22" for the baseline and 26" for the upper tier. Either that or make the baseline model $999 with the 20" screen.

Oh yeah, I'd be buyin that:D

[iMacmatician]

You guys have jedi-powers with all the number-crunching. :D
I was thinking....how about if you compared a MacPro Quad 2.66 to
a futuristic Imac Quad 2.27/2.53? How would they compare? And which would you go for?If you want the raw numbers, assuming perfect scaling and CPU-bound workloads:

Mac CPUs 4x 2.67GHz Mac Pro 4x 2.27GHz iMac 4x 2.53GHz iMac
100% app usage 1.000x Mac Pro .850x Mac Pro .950x Mac Pro
75% of 4x 2.67GHz app usage, ≥3 threads 1.000x Mac Pro .800x Mac Pro .933x Mac Pro
75% of 4x 2.67GHz app usage, 1~2 threads 1.000x Mac Pro .850x Mac Pro .950x Mac Pro

Also, the Mac Pro has a faster bus (2x 1333 MHz) than the iMac (1067 MHz).

[macjiro]

Thanks for figuring that out for me imacmatician.
I hope there is a 30" imac quad. :apple:

[TheSVD]

I dunno really, was going to buy a macbook pro today.
Then when i saw they were out of stock (from the site pixmania) i decided to take a look if there was any updates.
Now, if the rumours about the updates of macbook pros are true, then im pretty sure that itll be on september 12th -
Why? Because thats when pixmania gets stock back in. If there are updates, im pretty sure thats when theyll be released, or perhaps even a few days before - 9th of september maybe? :D
Because why else would a retailer get stock of a product which is going to be updated, surely they would have been notified!
Looks kinda promising :p

Oh, and heres the link - http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/10722/xx/xx/105/9/criteresn.html

If you look at the 2.4Ghz macbook pro, it says its going to be brought back into stock on the 12th of september (not the 9th of december - this is english!) However, it says the other macbook pro is due in stock tommorow (or technically, today for me) So not too sure about an update really :confused:

Any thoughts?

[jpmittins]

I dunno really, was going to buy a macbook pro today.
Then when i saw they were out of stock (from the site pixmania) i decided to take a look if there was any updates.
Now, if the rumours about the updates of macbook pros are true, then im pretty sure that itll be on september 12th -
Why? Because thats when pixmania gets stock back in. If there are updates, im pretty sure thats when theyll be released, or perhaps even a few days before - 9th of september maybe? :D
Because why else would a retailer get stock of a product which is going to be updated, surely they would have been notified!
Looks kinda promising :p

Oh, and heres the link - http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/10722/xx/xx/105/9/criteresn.html

If you look at the 2.4Ghz macbook pro, it says its going to be brought back into stock on the 12th of september (not the 9th of december - this is english!) However, it says the other macbook pro is due in stock tommorow (or technically, today for me) So not too sure about an update really :confused:

Any thoughts?

I don't think we'll have a MBP update on September 9, I just think that store was out of stock on that one type of MBP. The notebook update will probably happen in about a month, or maybe January. Of course, this is all speculation.

[viccles]

I don't think we'll have a MBP update on September 9, I just think that store was out of stock on that one type of MBP. The notebook update will probably happen in about a month, or maybe January. Of course, this is all speculation.

I doubt it will be January

[jpmittins]

I doubt it will be January

Hey, I'm not Steve Jobs. I don't have a high ranking position in Apple, so my guess is as good as yours. Like I said, it's just a guess.

[kabunaru]

I doubt it will be January

I still think we will see new MacBooks and MacBook Pros this month.

[TheSVD]

Okay then!
So do you think i should buy a mbp or not?
I mean, soon.
Id be willing to wait a few weeks for one, but not january!
And if its just some new tocuhpad features and an appearance change, im not bothered.
Its the specs im bothered about!
However, i dont think we'll be seeing any "cheap" mbp Quads, but i guess this doesnt affect me anyway cause ill be getting the cheapest one!

So yes or no to a mbp by the end of september guys!
Thanks :D;):apple:

[jpmittins]

Okay then!
So do you think i should buy a mbp or not?
I mean, soon.
Id be willing to wait a few weeks for one, but not january!
And if its just some new tocuhpad features and an appearance change, im not bothered.
Its the specs im bothered about!
However, i dont think we'll be seeing any "cheap" mbp Quads, but i guess this doesnt affect me anyway cause ill be getting the cheapest one!

So yes or no to a mbp by the end of september guys!
Thanks :D;):apple:

How badly do you need it? If you can wait for another one, wait. If not, buy now.

[Eric S.]

How badly do you need it? If you can wait for another one, wait. If not, buy now.

Exactly. My rule is, when the urge to buy is irresistible, then buy. If you can resist, then wait.

[kabunaru]

Okay then!
So do you think i should buy a mbp or not?
I mean, soon.
Id be willing to wait a few weeks for one, but not january!
And if its just some new tocuhpad features and an appearance change, im not bothered.
Its the specs im bothered about!
However, i dont think we'll be seeing any "cheap" mbp Quads, but i guess this doesnt affect me anyway cause ill be getting the cheapest one!

So yes or no to a mbp by the end of september guys!
Thanks :D;):apple:

At least wait until the end of September.

[JW8725]

I just gave my laptop to my sister. I now await a macbook pro. They better be bringing a new one out soooooooonish!

[CWallace]

If you want it, wait until the new one ships, whenever that is.

If you need it, buy now.

What's the difference between want and need? That's up to each individual to decide.

I wanted an MBP up until mid-July. At that point, I needed one. Once I knew Apple would not release the new model until after mid-July (right after WWDC), I bought because the want became the need.

[kabunaru]

I wanted an MBP up until mid-July. At that point, I needed one. Once I knew Apple would not release the new model until after mid-July (right after WWDC), I bought because the want became the need.

Do you think Apple is holding out on the Mac updates just to annoy people?

[Eric S.]

Do you think Apple is holding out on the Mac updates just to annoy people?

Just to annoy people, no. To annoy MacRumors readers, yes. :rolleyes:

[TheSVD]

Ah right then guys, i dont really really need it, although i am buying it for college, so ill need it kinda soon
Id say if nothing in september, then buy one!
Cause im gunna need it pretty soon!
Plus im 16, and im just impatient, so i just want it now :p
Ah right, thanks anyway people! :D

[kabunaru]

Ah right, thanks anyway people! :D

Do you wish you had a time machine to fast-forward through time? :D

[ishopukisfake]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

AppleInsider recaps (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/08/27/ipods_macbooks_imacs_up_next_on_apples_2008_roadmap.html) many of the circulating rumors which expect both iPod and Mac notebook updates in September. Some rumors have pegged September 9th (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/25/apple-event-for-september-9th/) as the possible day for at least some of the updates.

The iPod Nano and iPod touch are expected to see revisions, and long standing MacBook and MacBook Pro rumors point to revised case designs (MacBook (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/04/leaked-aluminum-macbook-case/), MacBook Pro (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/07/09/leaked-macbook-pro-casing-confirmed/)) that adopt an aluminum/tapered look.

Newly reported, however, are expectations that the Apple iMac will see a refresh prior to the holiday season:An iMac update would be contrary to expectations (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/) as the iMac is the most recently updated Mac. The iMac was updated in April of this year and introduced early Montevina-like (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/04/28/intel-provides-early-montevina-like-technology-to-imac/) technology. As a result, there would be only marginal improvements if it were updated to the most recently released Penryn/Montevina chipsets.



Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/27/ipods-notebooks-and-imacs-before-the-holidays/)

I like the potential revisions to the macbook and MBP, the tapering gives the design a more futuristic and sleek look. Even if the keyboard and speaker layout is changed, a surface cosmetic change isn't something i would bother trading in or selling to upgrade for.

I hope they do make changes to the imac - lessen the "chin" maybe make it completely aluminum with a white apple, and if they brought in the option of a matte screen again, I would consider this as a next potential computer.

[jpmittins]

Ah right then guys, i dont really really need it, although i am buying it for college, so ill need it kinda soon
Id say if nothing in september, then buy one!
Cause im gunna need it pretty soon!
Plus im 16, and im just impatient, so i just want it now :p
Ah right, thanks anyway people! :D

I think that if you're buying a computer to last you through college at that age, you can afford to wait, unless you're really smart and have skipped several grades.

[TheSVD]

Do you wish you had a time machine to fast-forward through time? :D
Oh yes ;)

I think that if you're buying a computer to last you through college at that age, you can afford to wait, unless you're really smart and have skipped several grades.
Haha thanks for that :p
And i am going to need it real soon though!
Plus its not like any hardware revisions are going to be SUCH an increase, as in, would help so much, to improve grades and such, haha.
Ill wait september out, then when classes get serious, after september, and theres still no signs - then ill just buy one.
However, i do personally think their will be updates soon, due to all the research don on the net etcetc, and it is the right time to bring it in - holiday season.
Rather than aforementioned january, that would be a bit of a stupid sales idea if you ask me (right after xmas!)

[viccles]

I still think we will see new MacBooks and MacBook Pros this month.

I think so too. I doubt it would be past October (well, hopefully). They need to capitalise before Christmas I think

[Clayne]

and it is the right time to bring it in - holiday season.
Rather than aforementioned january, that would be a bit of a stupid sales idea if you ask me (right after xmas!)

I vaguely remember people saying the same thing about the Back to School season...


HMM...

[captnfun]

Do you think Apple is holding out on the Mac updates just to annoy people?

Makes you wonder about dropping the name 'computer' from the Company.

Could Apple be done with desktop/laptop hardware sometime in the future, to focus completely on iphones/ipods? In other words the computer in your pocket? I remember reading a quote by Steve Jobs saying that the war for the desktop is over, Micro$oft already won.

Could Apple be the new Palm? Only way better? ...and then transition to a software company on the other end and just begin the monumental task of writing Drivers for all those other PC vendors?

Actually, I hope not, but dropping the 'computer' from 'Apple Computer' does make me wonder?

[Eric S.]

Could Apple be done with desktop/laptop hardware sometime in the future, to focus completely on iphones/ipods? In other words the computer in your pocket? I remember reading a quote by Steve Jobs saying that the war for the desktop is over, Micro$oft already won.

Jobs has said many things over the years. This is that actual quote: "The desktop computer industry is dead. Innovation has virtually ceased. Microsoft dominates with very little innovation. That's over. Apple lost. The desktop market has entered the dark ages, and it's going to be in the dark ages for the next 10 years, or certainly for the rest of this decade." -- Wired magazine, February 1996

I think that Apple's strategy over the 12 and a half years since then shows that it is still committed to the desktop (and laptop) market.

Could Apple be the new Palm? Only way better? ...and then transition to a software company on the other end and just begin the monumental task of writing Drivers for all those other PC vendors?

Actually, I hope not, but dropping the 'computer' from 'Apple Computer' does make me wonder?

Apple is not going to dump the investment it has made in OS X and its computer products. But you're right, they now also have a focus on consumer electronics, and the name change was meant to indicate that.

[rhino102228]

You know it is pretty smart for jobs to sell a new product this time of the year... for college students anyway, this is the time when college students get their checks written to them that the financial aid doesn't need and all the extra money u get... then you get this product that is supposed to be better than the already great macbooks.... this is a smart move by apple to have something new this time of the year and sell it I mean come on it is smart... I personally would love to see the new alum. macbook with the white and black intergrated into it kinda like the iMac with the black linen and the white keyboard... this could be really nice.

[iMacmatician]

Makes you wonder about dropping the name 'computer' from the Company.

Could Apple be done with desktop/laptop hardware sometime in the future, to focus completely on iphones/ipods? In other words the computer in your pocket? I remember reading a quote by Steve Jobs saying that the war for the desktop is over, Micro$oft already won.

Could Apple be the new Palm? Only way better? ...and then transition to a software company on the other end and just begin the monumental task of writing Drivers for all those other PC vendors?

Actually, I hope not, but dropping the 'computer' from 'Apple Computer' does make me wonder?Probably not.

iPhones and iPods depend on a computer to sync with. Considering the imminent release of iTunes 8, it seems like that will continue for the foreseeable future.

Apple also enjoys high growth of Macs, so why discontinue a profitable product segment? It's true that Apple is not focusing as much on the Mac (at least relatively speaking) as before, but I don't think that points to discontinuation. Rumors of case redesigns and other innovations, as well as patents for Mac multi-touch point to continued innovation on the Mac front. Even "0 new features" Snow Leopard is a base for future Mac OS X developments.

The pro segment does seem neglected compared to yesteryear, with slower Mac Pro update cycles as well as the absence of Phenomenon (so far, there aren't many rumors for software unless it's updated at an event). It's possible that this could trickle down to the consumer segments in years to come.

[Kaptajn Haddock]

The iMac still need to get the LED background lighting. It did wonders for the MBP.

[zedsdead]

The iMac still need to get the LED background lighting. It did wonders for the MBP.

I don't think we will see that till next year. The new Cinema Displays are rumored to be coming at Macworld, and they likely would be LED considering the redesign. After that they probably will go into the iMac. That's my guess anyway.

[dex22]

What about an Intel Atom-based Mac Micro for $299?

[NC MacGuy]

What about an Intel Atom-based Mac Micro for $299?

Are you kidding? Give people what they want? Not the Apple way.... They will tell you what you need and then you'll want it.

[MrMacFanatic]

Just to annoy people, no. To annoy MacRumors readers, yes. :rolleyes:

Probably yes. I sometimes wonder if Apple has their own small department designated to MacRumors, who do nothing else but reading what other people say and add rumors about how cool the next new Macbook/pro will be and when it will come out, saying it will be soon but than procrastinating. Perhaps to raise demand or add some time so they can perfect their labtops without having Mac User switch to PC (Not that I think that really happens).
WHo knows? Maybe its a personal plot against me :D.

Anyways, I really hope the new MBP comes out September!

[dex22]

Are you kidding? Give people what they want? Not the Apple way.... They will tell you what you need and then you'll want it.

Well, I know. I am working in a startup, http://www.vectorirb.com and have convinced them to go Mac. What I want is a $300 Mac that can do basic web and document handling. What I'll get is the same old $400 PC running OS X for $800. Or maybe the same old $1200 PC for $2000.

They gave me a budget, and it only had three zeros on it. :o

[viccles]

I don't really care if they don't have the notebooks available straight away, I just need an announcement to put me out of my misery!

[jpmittins]

I don't really care if they don't have the notebooks available straight away, I just need an announcement to put me out of my misery!

I agree. I don't need a notebook, I just want to see what they have in store, especially since I always enjoy watching Steve Jobs give his keynote address. Thank god there's the event tomorrow, I can't wait to see what they have ready for us. Personally, I just want a better visualizer and maybe a quicker iTunes, along with cheaper/more powerful iPods. That would be good for me.

[iMacmatician]

I agree. I don't need a notebook, I just want to see what they have in store, especially since I always enjoy watching Steve Jobs give his keynote address. Thank god there's the event tomorrow, I can't wait to see what they have ready for us. Personally, I just want a better visualizer and maybe a quicker iTunes, along with cheaper/more powerful iPods. That would be good for me.And maybe we'll have a Mac event next month. That would be worth waiting for. :)

[jpmittins]

And maybe we'll have a Mac event next month. That would be worth waiting for. :)

Agreed. I just love seeing the new products, wondering what they're capable of, etc.

[viccles]

Agreed. I just love seeing the new products, wondering what they're capable of, etc.

Event, no event, just release the notebooks already! (Has absolutely zero patience as probably has been noticed :D)

[TheSVD]

Delete please, was a double post!

-Thanks

[TheSVD]

Event, no event, just release the notebooks already! (Has absolutely zero patience as probably has been noticed :D)

I hear that!
And yeah, im still wondering about that pixmania stuff
cause funnily enough, they keep saying theyll get stock in soon..
then keep pushing the dates foward...
perhaps suggesting they think theyre going to get new stock soon, but then know theyre not getting new mbps for a while? :D cause of an update perhapss :p
we shall see, haha
will keep you posted :D:apple:

[TheSVD]

sory about double post!
edited it without knowing i posted twice :P

[MrMacFanatic]

I don't really care if they don't have the notebooks available straight away, I just need an announcement to put me out of my misery!

I agree, waiting and only hearing rumors all the time gets annoying, and I really just want to know when, then the waitng time doesnt seem that bad. ALso, I can cross off every day that I am closer to a new MBP then. :D

[SouthpawChicago]

I officially give up. I've been waiting since June to buy my first apple computer for college, watching these forums for hours upon hours, and was going to try to wait for the fabled new Macbook. But since I'm renting a Sony Vaio by the week, I can't afford to wait any longer. I actually loveee this computer, plus my friend's Macbook didn't impress me very much once I actually started using it. Nothing struck me as amazing, and it froze up just like any other PC. So whatever, Apple. Maybe I'll see you in a few years. :(

P.S. Some might suggest just buying the current one, but I would be kicking myself in the pants for not waiting if the new one does happen to come out soon. I'd rather not have to put myself through that.

[NC MacGuy]

I officially give up. I've been waiting since June to buy my first apple computer for college, watching these forums for hours upon hours, and was going to try to wait for the fabled new Macbook. But since I'm renting a Sony Vaio by the week, I can't afford to wait any longer. I actually loveee this computer, plus my friend's Macbook didn't impress me very much once I actually started using it. Nothing struck me as amazing, and it froze up just like any other PC. So whatever, Apple. Maybe I'll see you in a few years. :(

P.S. Some might suggest just buying the current one, but I would be kicking myself in the pants for not waiting if the new one does happen to come out soon. I'd rather not have to put myself through that.

Be thankful you're not waiting for an updated Mini.... At least MB's are on the horizon.:mad:

[omega21]

Really hoping for the 23rd or 30th. I'm going to be needing a MBP pretty quick for university... The really heavy Toshiba I have now is not cutting it... Do you guys honestly think they'd do iPods and Macbook Pro's in the same month? Has it happened before?

[Orlandooo]

If there IS a quad core one, I will be so happy. If they're only out in October, at least let us order or SEE them in advance so I don't buy a current one for uni! Relying on iPhone for a while will be fun...

Is this Tuesday at all possible?? After the back to school and.. it's a Tuesday!

I got an email from Apple about buying on a lease... I'm considering it. It's not only for businesses is it? And can you get education discount on it!?

[viccles]

I'm happy to see an announcement next Tuesday and that they will arrive in 2-3 weeks time. At least KNOWING for sure will ease the pain!

[omega21]

If there IS a quad core one, I will be so happy. If they're only out in October, at least let us order or SEE them in advance so I don't buy a current one for uni! Relying on iPhone for a while will be fun...

Is this Tuesday at all possible?? After the back to school and.. it's a Tuesday!

I got an email from Apple about buying on a lease... I'm considering it. It's not only for businesses is it? And can you get education discount on it!?

As much as I would honestly LOVE to see them next tuesday, don't you think it would be a little too close to the iPod launch? You wouldn't want to steal the thunder of one of your flagship products, even if the thief is another flagship product. Does that sound reasonable?

[dwardin9]

New Aluminum Macbooks at the Oct 7th event. Oh wait they havent announced that one yet ;)

[Benzy]

so when is the next "quiet" update for iMac/Mini price cuts and new MacBooks?

[omega21]

I'm personally banking on the 23rd or 30th.

[Clayne]

I'm personally banking on the 23rd or 30th.

Sooner the better!

[viccles]

Sooner the better!

Next Tuesday would be good! :D I'm in an even worse position because my imac is being repaired so I am stuck with a *gasp* PC!

[Benzy]

man i seriously can't wait for the update anymore, I'm planning to buy an iMac, a Mac Mini and a MacBook Pro.s

[MrMacFanatic]

I'm happy to see an announcement next Tuesday and that they will arrive in 2-3 weeks time. At least KNOWING for sure will ease the pain!

How do you know there is an announcement next Tuesday (Do you mean the 16th?) and that they are then arriving in 2-3 weeks? Is that a fact ? I really hope so, am getting impatient, I wanted to get a macpro since april, I was then waiting for June due to rumors, well , and then it was procrastenated over and over again. And I am still on my Powerbook G4, so I really want a faster machine. :D.

[MrMacFanatic]

As much as I would honestly LOVE to see them next tuesday, don't you think it would be a little too close to the iPod launch? You wouldn't want to steal the thunder of one of your flagship products, even if the thief is another flagship product. Does that sound reasonable?

Damn that logic omega, please just tell me they'll come this month so I can have my illusion :D. If I am honest I completely agree, I actually think that 4-6 weeks would be a good time to go from one release to the next.

[acmeplus]

As much as I would like to have a new MB/MBP before MWSF09 I guess we are not going to see that happen and will have to wait. The logic to me is clear:

1 - It's not usual to see two special events this close to MWSF (one is normal for ipod refresh)
2 - Typically there have been updates to MB's in October/November when there was a Core Duo -> Core 2 Duo transition or similar internal changes, the kind that are no noticeable by common people (macrumors users alike don't count).
3 - Since this "Let's Rock" has been a completely lackluster event, I don't see Apple calling again the media for another event.
4 - A change in the external appearance of the MB/MBs deserves a couple of BOOMs to say the least, hence only MWSF09 seems to be a plausible event for this kind of announcement, unless Apple considers the macbook line to be completely accessorial.

The only way I can think of a MB/MBP update before MWSF is an internal one, and that won't cut for several of the people waiting for a real refresh. In any case, I really hope that time will prove me wrong, though.

[shoebobs]

Ok, so they've updated the iPhone and iPods, now it's time for macs. I've been waiting since at least January (as far as I can remember), so I would really like to see these sometime soon. I guess Jobs is just in no hurry to have me switch from PC to Mac.

When is MWSF09?

[steamed.hams]

New Aluminum Macbooks at the Oct 7th event. Oh wait they havent announced that one yet ;)

Don't toy with my fragile emotions!! :mad:

::kidding::

::not really::


I'm happy to see an announcement next Tuesday and that they will arrive in 2-3 weeks time. At least KNOWING for sure will ease the pain!

Care to explain viccles?

[Clayne]

Would they allow having as little macbooks as they do now, and less, in stores all the way until MWSF?

Didn't they tell retailers to stock up through August? It would make sense that they would wait until October, but no later..

[viccles]

How do you know there is an announcement next Tuesday (Do you mean the 16th?) and that they are then arriving in 2-3 weeks? Is that a fact ? I really hope so, am getting impatient, I wanted to get a macpro since april, I was then waiting for June due to rumors, well , and then it was procrastenated over and over again. And I am still on my Powerbook G4, so I really want a faster machine. :D.

Hmm, I think people misconstrued my post. I was just HOPING that they would announce them next week at an arrival time of 2-3 weeks and that knowing would ease the pain of waiting :D I wish I really did know! :(

[Eric S.]

Hmm, I think people misconstrued my post. I was just HOPING that they would announce them next week

People here are ready to grasp at any straw! ;)

[ishopukisfake]

The imac is a great breakthrough in computer technology, combining everything you need into a monitor. Especially now that the speed and memory is so good it really is everything you need in a desktop - however I think the switch to ultra glossy was a mistake. If you are listening Steve please bring back Matte screens, at least as an option - I think many avoided the new imac for this reason and many would come back if it was reintroduced. :o

[Rocketman]

I think the switch to ultra glossy was a mistake.

Simply corrected. Put a matte plastic film over the display. From a manufacturing perspective glossy seems to prevail because one cannot make a matte screen glossy, but one can make a glossy display matte (diffuse) with a thin plastic film.

Rocketman

[MrMacFanatic]

Hmm, I think people misconstrued my post. I was just HOPING that they would announce them next week at an arrival time of 2-3 weeks and that knowing would ease the pain of waiting :D I wish I really did know! :(

Apperently Oct.14th, but a real rumor now:D. BTW, thanks for trying to make me feel better, but NEVER do this to me anymore, this continuation of false hope has been killing me!

[Thetcm]

I'm slowly gathering money to buy an iMac, so an unexpected price drop and spec boost would be much welcomed! :D

[viccles]

Apperently Oct.14th, but a real rumor now:D. BTW, thanks for trying to make me feel better, but NEVER do this to me anymore, this continuation of false hope has been killing me!

Me too. This waiting is killing me :(

[insane79]

i got a imac 2007 & its kickass :cool: need to get another one, should i wait? any news regarding the new imacs?? cant wait till october 14th :)

[Eric S.]

i got a imac 2007 & its kickass :cool: need to get another one, should i wait? any news regarding the new imacs?? cant wait till october 14th :)

I think all the speculation has been about Macbooks. Doesn't mean iMacs won't be updated too, but we're not hearing any buzz about it.

[.Chris]

The imacs are perfect right now. May be a spec bump but the design is fine and doesnt need updating. The mac mini, mac pro macbook and macbook pro need the (design) updates.

[insane79]

so that means i should wait till october 14 :rolleyes: dont mind a speed bump:cool:

[GR33NIE]

so that means i should wait till october 14 :rolleyes: dont mind a speed bump:cool:

That's not bad, as long as they are out before xmas! :D

[Drag'nGT]

i got a imac 2007 & its kickass :cool: need to get another one, should i wait? any news regarding the new imacs?? cant wait till october 14th :)

Join the hurry up and wait group. On the one hand, they got an udate this year... on the other hand there's the rumor and we just can't ignore that. :p

[omega21]

People here are ready to grasp at any straw! ;)

I check Macrumors at least 3x per day now. I need that Macbook Pro for school soon. :)

[drjones2]

I would love to replace my eMac with an iMac, but the price tag is just TOO high! I bought my eMac 1.42 for $800 for the all-in one! Now the cheapest all in one is $1200: $400 more for an all in one is way out of line. Mac mini just doesn't cut it either - that's great for switchers from a PC, but not for an all in one solution that Apple is known for.

I really am hoping for a competitive price drop on the iMac, not even upgrading any specs. If not Oct 14th, then hopefully before the Christmas season - November?

[Detektiv-Pinky]

i got a imac 2007 & its kickass :cool: need to get another one, should i wait? any news regarding the new imacs?? cant wait till october 14th :)

At least in the German apple store the refurb section is stocked through the roof with the actual model. While this might point to a model refresh it also means that you can get the current one for a substantial discount...

[TheSVD]

Well, im betting on october.
Bit of a stupid things to base it on, but pixmania still keep pushing their "in stock" dates for the mbp fowards and fowards... surely they wouldnt do that all the way upto january?
I mean thyve been doing that for like a month now...
surely they would release their range of stuff before xmas, especially new products (sub notebook?) or dramatic changes!
i just wanna know :mad:

[TheSVD]

Okay, noone reads this frickin thread anymore, but wth.
As ive said, pixmania keep saying "oh, the mbps will be back in stock tommorow... then tommorow... then tommorow" etc
leading me to think there would be an update soon
but, i thought well if theyre getting that mbp in stock, that cant be right!
but it is now saying, as soon as any apple laptop/desktop goes out of stock, its discontinued.
Im sure they wouldnt do that all the way upto january!
So im thinking theres an update real soon.. funny has pixmania start doing this 8 days before "october" 14th, much awaited day!
That is all :P

[jpmittins]

Okay, noone reads this frickin thread anymore, but wth.
As ive said, pixmania keep saying "oh, the mbps will be back in stock tommorow... then tommorow... then tommorow" etc
leading me to think there would be an update soon
but, i thought well if theyre getting that mbp in stock, that cant be right!
but it is now saying, as soon as any apple laptop/desktop goes out of stock, its discontinued.
Im sure they wouldnt do that all the way upto january!
So im thinking theres an update real soon.. funny has pixmania start doing this 8 days before "october" 14th, much awaited day!
That is all :P

Hmm, that would be cool if the update was on October 14th and future updates would be known simply by looking into a store's stock.

P.S. I still read this thread.

[sinser]

The imac is a great breakthrough in computer technology, combining everything you need into a monitor. Especially now that the speed and memory is so good it really is everything you need in a desktop - however I think the switch to ultra glossy was a mistake. If you are listening Steve please bring back Matte screens, at least as an option - I think many avoided the new imac for this reason and many would come back if it was reintroduced. :o

Exactly that's why I didn't buy and won't buy one. And no, putting a piece ofanti-glare plastic does not equal a matte screen. So please, give us a matte option. I also asked for this here http://www.apple.com/feedback/imac.html. ...don't know if it's useful

[andylyon]

I check Macrumors at least 3x per day now. I need that Macbook Pro for school soon. :)

+1

I also check it several times a day hoping (begging) for an annoucment! Not needed to for school though!

[pik.]

Okay, noone reads this frickin thread anymore, but wth.
As ive said, pixmania keep saying "oh, the mbps will be back in stock tommorow... then tommorow... then tommorow" etc
leading me to think there would be an update soon
but, i thought well if theyre getting that mbp in stock, that cant be right!
but it is now saying, as soon as any apple laptop/desktop goes out of stock, its discontinued.
Im sure they wouldnt do that all the way upto january!
So im thinking theres an update real soon.. funny has pixmania start doing this 8 days before "october" 14th, much awaited day!
That is all :P
last night I also checked the discontinued MBP...

now there are no MBPs....:D

[TheSVD]

last night I also checked the discontinued MBP...

now there are no MBPs....:D

Exactly!
Now unless we're horribly mistaken and theyre removing all together...
But i doubt it, as theyre a leading store :)
So im hoping MBP in a week :P
also..

Anyone buying a new macbook/macbook pro/imac when they hopefully come out next week... go to pixmania!
This is not me advertising, its just you could save alot! :)
(£1300 entry level MBP = £1110 on pixmania) Just a tip ;)
And hey, perhaps even cheaper if they drop some prices :P


Sorry about the shouting, was just too good a deal.. aha :)

[FaJaR2]

Hi guys, long time reader-first time poster here.
Now that new MBPs are out, do you think Apple will release new iMacs on November (too damn close to new MPBs launch)as stated on this rumor?
Has happened this before?
Thanks in advance.

[BenEndeem]

Hi guys, long time reader-first time poster here.
Now that new MBPs are out, do you think Apple will release new iMacs on November (too damn close to new MPBs launch)as stated on this rumor?
Has happened this before?
Thanks in advance.
I hope they update the iMacs in November, but at the same time doubt it.

[Drag'nGT]

??? The iMac was updated recently. What do you think will be updated?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

??? The iMac was updated recently. What do you think will be updated?

Mac mini


.... Bwahahahahhhhhaah

no but, seriously folks, maybe the Mac Pro or 17 inch Macbook Pro.

[Thetcm]

??? The iMac was updated recently. What do you think will be updated?

Because there was a rumor that such a thing would happen?

I mean, they updated the iPods and the Macbooks. How about the desktop computers now? The iMac(DD3 ram, same MacBook chip, etc), Mac Mini and Mac Pro?