What I got out of the DNC

[madfresh]

After listening to some of the speakers at the DNC, here is what I got out of it. I have no idea what Obama stands for, but everyone there tells me we don't need more of the same.

That about sums it up. They could have had the DNC last for 10 minutes and everyone could have then gone home.

[mactastic]

Well... they do still have to actually NOMINATE the candidate. A minor detail to be sure, but necessary nonetheless.

[Mike Teezie]

Pretty sure this doesn't warrant it's own thread, seeing as we have a perfectly good one about the DNC already.

After listening to some of the speakers at the DNC, here is what I got out of it. I have no idea what Obama stands for, but everyone there tells me we don't need more of the same.

That about sums it up. They could have had the DNC last for 10 minutes and everyone could have then gone home.

Um - it's not over. Barack has yet to take the stage. Maybe you should try to watch him speak Thursday night, with an open mind?

Ah, who am I kidding?

[zap2]

Well the "we don't need more of the same" alone arguement should convince you, but honestly, they have been mention things all night, I've only just watched it now(CNN streams it online, which I wish I knew)

But I'd highly suggest Kucinich's speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0smG7ptcM



Also right now, 9:02 on the east coast, they are talking about what Bill Clinton did, what democrats do, and how Obama's gonna keep that up.(and know Bill's coming on stage!)

[Thomas Veil]

And any time you want to know what Obama stands for, you can go to his site.

Or maybe Obama should go door-to-door all over America, so no one would have to be inconvenienced. :rolleyes:

[obeygiant]

After listening to some of the speakers at the DNC, here is what I got out of it. I have no idea what Obama stands for, but everyone there tells me we don't need more of the same.

That about sums it up. They could have had the DNC last for 10 minutes and everyone could have then gone home.

Actually, you're right. There wasn't much there in terms of substance. A whole lot of bun and very little burger.

[zap2]

Well if you watched tonight, then you're good, you'll know what the democrats are doing.

Watch Biden
Watch Bill Clinton


You'll know where Obama is aiming.

[archesdevil]

Watching the DNC has made me proud to be an American again.... It's been awhile.

[zap2]

Watching the DNC has made me proud to be an American again.... It's been awhile.

Finally, Obama/Biden know where America needs to go, and its about time the democrats finally got to it!

[yg17]

Tonight simply kicked ass. Great speech by President Clinton, John Kerry, our next VP Joe Biden and a cameo by the man himself. This was such a great night.

[obeygiant]

Tonight simply kicked ass. Great speech by President Clinton, John Kerry, our next VP Joe Biden and a cameo by the man himself. This was such a great night.

Actually you're right. After seeing Joe Biden speak, I'm changing my tune. He totally nailed it. When he laid out why Obama was right and McCain was wrong he was exactly right.

Although it looked as if Biden's wife wanted to get off stage super quick. Bad stage fright or something. You could even hear Biden ask her if she was okay.

[Peace]

After listening to some of the speakers at the DNC, here is what I got out of it. I have no idea what Obama stands for, but everyone there tells me we don't need more of the same.

That about sums it up. They could have had the DNC last for 10 minutes and everyone could have then gone home.


Well you know what McCain stands for. Just think the oposite and thats what Obama stands for.

[madfresh]

I loved the governor of Arizona talking about the politicians who ran for president. Goldwater and two others. Then she goes on to say that they all lost and she wants that Arizona tradition to continue....first thing I thought of was she is happy that Arizonans are losers....:p

[Dmac77]

All I have learned from the DNC:

Obama manipulated the casting process to make himself look better

Bill Clinton thinks people enjoyed his hour long speech in 1988

Nancy Pelosi had another botox treatment

Bush is the devil (according to the Democrats)

Biden has a few sob stories

Democrats like to cry when their leaders speak

Change is good (according Democrats)

And finally, Biden smiles like a horse.

Don

[Mike Teezie]

All I have learned from the DNC:

Obama manipulated the casting process to make himself look better

Bill Clinton thinks people enjoyed his hour long speech in 1988

Nancy Pelosi had another botox treatment

Bush is the devil (according to the Democrats)

Biden has a few sob stories

Democrats like to cry when their leaders speak

Change is good (according Democrats)

And finally, Biden smiles like a horse.

Don

Not the devil, just easily the worst president in modern history. Unfortunately for most Americans, the proof's in the pudding.

Your signature is quite apt.

Tonight simply kicked ass. Great speech by President Clinton, John Kerry, our next VP Joe Biden and a cameo by the man himself. This was such a great night.

Yep, I was smiling like a goon the entire night.

[Dmac77]

Tonight simply kicked ass. Great speech by President Clinton, John Kerry, our next VP Joe Biden and a cameo by the man himself. This was such a great night.

Polls are very close, I think that you maybe in store for a surprise. Also, I find it extremely annoying when people talk about Obama as if he is the second coming of Jesus Christ or something.

Don

[Mike Teezie]

Polls are very close, I think that you maybe in store for a surprise. Also, I find it extremely annoying when people talk about Obama as if he is the second coming of Jesus Christ or something.

Don

Interesting, can you quote someone talking about him in that way?

[Dmac77]

Interesting, can you quote someone talking about him in that way?

Tonight simply kicked ass. Great speech by President Clinton, John Kerry, our next VP Joe Biden and a cameo by the man himself. This was such a great night.

Happy?

Don

[hulugu]

Happy?

Don

I'm not. Typically, and I can't speak for yg17, but the phrase "the man himself" is a rhetorical flourish.

As in "tonight, we have the man himself...." which is always followed by a specific person. I've heard this used during corporate introductory speeches as well as concerts.
You're reaching.

Of course, it's become very fashionable of late to give Obama some kind of messianic quality. This is done both to make him seem less real and his supporters appear slightly unhinged. Often followed by remarks about "kool-aid."
The same tactic is used against Mac users, who are often accused of similar religious feelings towards Steve Jobs. Remember the iPhone was the "Jesus Phone."
Read any article about Mac users and it will be peppered with such language. That the GOP is trying to same method with Obama is unsurprising.

There was even a single-serving website "www.whenobamaispresident.com" which gave funny answers to the idea. I think my favorite was "We all get ice cream sandwiches."

[Dmac77]

I'm not. Typically, and I can't speak for yg17, but the phrase "the man himself" is a rhetorical flourish.

As in "tonight, we have the man himself...." which is always followed by a specific person. I've heard this used during corporate introductory speeches as well as concerts.
You're reaching.

Of course, it's become very fashionable of late to give Obama some kind of messianic quality. This is done both to make him seem less real and his supporters appear slightly unhinged. Often followed by remarks about "kool-aid."
The same tactic is used against Mac users, who are often accused of similar religious feelings towards Steve Jobs. Remember the iPhone was the "Jesus Phone."
Read any article about Mac users and it will be peppered with such language. That the GOP is trying to same method with Obama is unsurprising.

There was even a single-serving website "www.whenobamaispresident.com" which gave funny answers to the idea. I think my favorite was "We all get ice cream sandwiches."

Steve Jobs is God, and the iPhone is Jesus! *looks to shrine saying "if I can't have you then nobody can!*

Don

[hulugu]

I loved the governor of Arizona talking about the politicians who ran for president. Goldwater and two others. Then she goes on to say that they all lost and she wants that Arizona tradition to continue....first thing I thought of was she is happy that Arizonans are losers....:p

Haha. Meet me in Death Valley and we'll see how funny that is. ;) :p

But, truly, Arizonan politicians have a major fail rate when it comes to presidential elections. But, Janet Napolitano has been the best governor in decades.

We should not forget Fife Symington, a good friend of John McCain, who was indicted and convicted for bank fraud in 1997. He was also involved in the famous Savings and Loan debacle.

[hulugu]

Steve Jobs is God, and the iPhone is Jesus! *looks to shrine saying "if I can't have you then nobody can!*

Don

Shhh. We can't let the infidels hear such talk. Otherwise, they will know about our secret plan.

[Dmac77]

Shhh. We can't let the infidels hear such talk. Otherwise, they will know about our secret plan.
Thank you for reminding me.

Don

[yg17]

Happy?

Don


I don't believe in Jesus, therefore, I cannot believe someone is the second coming of him. Get over it.

[solvs]

This reminds me of that AP story (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/28/233458/705/651/578032) about Obama's speech that seemed like it was written by the GOP (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/29/olbermann-slams-ap-analysis-of-obamas-speech/). The AP being run by (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/23/aps-ron-fournier-strikes-again-writes-hit-piece-on-obamas-vp-pick/) someone who almost worked for McCain (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ron_Fournier), and the myth of the liberal media being noted before (they mostly seem to care about controversy, not partisanship, as noted in a Time article I had posted that I can't seem to find right now) aside, it seemed like it was written by someone who hadn't even read the speech. Lots of strawman arguments, and completely ignoring that he actually did lay out some specifics. As did others, especially Biden, as noted above.

So now that it's a few days later, do you still feel the same way? Do you think McCain is short on substance as well? Because from everything I've been reading, Obama has actually laid out some specifics, while McCain really hasn't (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12215.html).

Edit: I'd also like to point out that even Pat Buchanan like the speech. More than I did actually. I preferred Michele's myself. But Obama's was good, and what I appreciated most was actually the specifics he did lay out, and the toning down of the empty rhetoric.

[Cleverboy]

So now that it's a few days later, do you still feel the same way? Do you think McCain is short on substance as well? Because from everything I've been reading, Obama has actually laid out some specifics, while McCain really hasn't (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12215.html).It gets worse... CNN today interview Obama and a spokesperson for McCain, and asked BOTH what the "experience" was that qualified Obama and Palin respectively (due to the recent criticisms being launched). Obama gave specifics on why he has executive experience... he noted the amount of people in his campaing, their operating budget , and compared it to the operating budget and amount of workers Sarah Palin had in Wasilla. He then went into details about what he's done to deal with the Katrina crisis. When asked for ONE DECISION Sarah Palin had made over the Alaskan National Guard (which was being pushed as a talking point on executive military experience), the McCain spokeperson repeatedly dodged the question to the absolute (and uncomfortable) irritation of the CNN reporter who tried to hold their feet to the fire for specifics. The CNN person in one similar case, kept saying how proud women would be of Palin, instead of answering the specific questions of experience with more than generalizations about what she was responsible for.

~ CB

[archesdevil]

It gets worse... CNN today interview Obama and a spokesperson for McCain, and asked BOTH what the "experience" was that qualified Obama and Palin respectively (due to the recent criticisms being launched). Obama gave specifics on why he has executive experience... he noted the amount of people in his campaing, their operating budget , and compared it to the operating budget and amount of workers Sarah Palin had in Wasilla. He then went into details about what he's done to deal with the Katrina crisis. When asked for ONE DECISION Sarah Palin had made over the Alaskan National Guard (which was being pushed as a talking point on executive military experience), the McCain spokeperson repeatedly dodged the question to the absolute (and uncomfortable) irritation of the CNN reporter who tried to hold their feet to the fire for specifics. The CNN person in one similar case, kept saying how proud women would be of Palin, instead of answering the specific questions of experience with more than generalizations about what she was responsible for.

~ CB

Glad you saw that to CB. CNN also stated, "On any other day, the Palin story (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=555026) would be the top story".

[hulugu]

....When asked for ONE DECISION Sarah Palin had made over the Alaskan National Guard (which was being pushed as a talking point on executive military experience)...

Well, clearly, she should order the ANG to immediately invade Siberia. That would give her the executive and commander-in-chief experience she needs. It would also give her foreign policy experience.

I'm sure the Russians won't mind.

[solvs]

Something I thought was funny that doesn't seem to have been posted yet that I can see:

Michelle Obama: Democrats Roll Out the OS X Leopard of First Ladies (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danielle-crittenden/michelle-obama-democrats_b_121430.html)

Nice.