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MacBytes
Jan 13, 2004, 04:02 PM
Category: Opinion/Interviews
Link: Thurrott at it again: HP's iPod Moves Could Hurt the Industry (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20040113170212)

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Mudbug
Jan 13, 2004, 04:03 PM
I find it interesting how threatened the entire PC market seems to feel about this combination of forces. HP is a major player in the PC game, and the iPod is obviously a heavy hitter. If I made PC's in competition with these folks, I think I'd be worried too, and would probably try to go out of my way to make it sound like a bad deal to the consumers.

And btw - that guy's small type on his page was enough for me to want to stop reading almost immediately.

Jimjiminey
Jan 13, 2004, 04:17 PM
first its good, now its bad. This guys a fool

kettle
Jan 13, 2004, 04:29 PM
This seems to have got them running.
In the U.K. the day after this was announced there was major iPod news coverage the problem is the only thing they will talk about is how bad the battery life is. Nothing about the HP deal. strange.

machinehien
Jan 13, 2004, 04:30 PM
OMG, Paul you need to look in the mirror dude. You've become MS's prison bitch.


This must be really scaring microsoft if they're unleashing this much FUD in the press.

Nermal
Jan 13, 2004, 04:31 PM
This guy just doesn't get it. He's complaining that people won't be able to play their WMAs on the iPod. Excuse me, but what WMAs? The HP computers will come preinstalled with iTunes, so users will rip their CDs into AAC, and will buy online downloads in AAC. Paul just doesn't like to see Microsoft losing, so he's making up all this rubbish in an attempt to get noticed.

Chealion
Jan 13, 2004, 04:41 PM
I'm going to have to buy shares in a clothespin company if this keeps up. I could make millions from the smell this buh... (you get the point) makes.

Febreeze ain't got nothing on me. ;)

1macker1
Jan 13, 2004, 04:50 PM
I wish all MP3 player would support all music file types. It is about choice, like MS said, but they dont offer AAC, so they are wrong too. If i want WMA, that's my business, and if i want AAC, then give it to me!

1macker1
Jan 13, 2004, 04:53 PM
Just because they have iTunes dont mean they own a iPod. How many other players support Apple's protected AAC files? There are thousands of mp3 players that support WMA, and i think that's the entire point.
Originally posted by Nermal
This guy just doesn't get it. He's complaining that people won't be able to play their WMAs on the iPod. Excuse me, but what WMAs? The HP computers will come preinstalled with iTunes, so users will rip their CDs into AAC, and will buy online downloads in AAC. Paul just doesn't like to see Microsoft losing, so he's making up all this rubbish in an attempt to get noticed.

Nermal
Jan 13, 2004, 05:03 PM
Sure, heaps of other players support WMA, but they also support MP3, which is what everyone rips their own CDs into. The only reason for people to have WMAs would be if they've already bought songs from a WMA music store.

machinehien
Jan 13, 2004, 05:06 PM
what's preventing anyone from installing using WMP? No one's holding a gun to your head telling you to use iTMS or HP's pod.

How many crappy mediocre apps have been bundled with PCs over the year? They are legion and no one says a thing. But when it's iTMS, Paul screams heretic at the top of his lungs.

People are always saying WMA is about choice, but I've never heard anyone 'cept Paul gush about the quality. So if there's anyone with first hand experience with the WMA, I'm curious to know how good it is compared to MP3's and AAC.

Blaaze
Jan 13, 2004, 05:20 PM
in essence what this dude is saying...

"everyone should have a choice....as long as it's WMA"

Like some poster said before, "MS's prison bitch"

Blaaze
Jan 13, 2004, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by machinehien
I'm curious to know how good it is compared to MP3's and AAC.

WMA is better than mp3, but AAC is much better than both

kwtneo
Jan 13, 2004, 05:57 PM
Wanted to comment on the word 'choice' that people and companies are throwing around. When they say, "You can mix and match software and music player stuff. We believe you should have the same choice when it comes to music services.", the underlying implication is that choice is only available in the interface/player aesthetics for which a standardized format is played/manipulated, and not the format itself. Apple and HP both know and rightly so, that the format for legally purchased digital music is far from being standardized, and as such the use of the word choice with respect to how a format is played back in different players is irrelevant and misleading.

pgwalsh
Jan 13, 2004, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by 1macker1
I wish all MP3 player would support all music file types. It is about choice, like MS said, but they dont offer AAC, so they are wrong too. If i want WMA, that's my business, and if i want AAC, then give it to me! I agree. Apple and MS are playing a game with the consumers...

Moonlight
Jan 13, 2004, 06:04 PM
When did AAC become a propriatary file type ? AAC is a standard like MP3...WMA is a closed system that microsoft OWNS!!! Talk about a closed file type !!! This guy needs to get his facts straight.
:rolleyes:

rjwill246
Jan 13, 2004, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by pgwalsh
I agree. Apple and MS are playing a game with the consumers...
Listen, it's really simple. Apple is using an open standard. MS is using a closed one but they want everyone to use that one. Apple is drawing a line in the sand and in so doing is inviting everyone else to use AAC! Simple. There is not one reason why Apple should go along with the MS hegemony on this issue. meanwhile, take all your WMA files and convert them and then put them in your iPod! It's a piece of cake. The issue that people are being locked out is silly! I have converted AIFF, MP3, WMA, AAC on my iPod and stored in iTunes. For Apple to embrace WMA right now is to have to pay royalties to MS and LOSE their whole game plan to MS. That's what Thurrott and Enderle want... for Apple to go away! Don't help these idiots!

kettle
Jan 13, 2004, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by rjwill246
For Apple to embrace WMA right now is to have to pay royalties to MS and LOSE their whole game plan to MS. That's what Thurrott and Enderle want... for Apple to go away! Don't help these idiots!

That's the Badger!:)

LoopHoles
Jan 13, 2004, 07:03 PM
OMG! This guy is full of it! he's taking shots at apple (and HP), trying to put them down with false facts.

Last summer, HP announced a sweeping push into consumer electronics and released more than 100 new consumer-oriented products in one day. The move drew a bit of press attention, but nothing like the front-page news assault that Apple Computer generated last week for its comparably weak announcement of expensive, new, and smaller iPod devices, portable audio players that won't be available for months.

Note: iPod mini shipping Feb. 16th. That's just over 1 month.

With HP at its side, Apple has a chance to change the world (something that Apple has always promised but never really accomplished)

Again, what is it with this guy? Apple has changed the world many times over, especially in the past 5-7 years and definitely back in the 70s when Steve Wozniak built the first personal micro computer and Steve Jobs put it up for sale.

indeed, the MS and Windows zealots are quaking in their boots.

pgwalsh
Jan 13, 2004, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by rjwill246
Listen, it's really simple. Apple is using an open standard. MS is using a closed one but they want everyone to use that one. Apple is drawing a line in the sand and in so doing is inviting everyone else to use AAC! Simple. There is not one reason why Apple should go along with the MS hegemony on this issue. meanwhile, take all your WMA files and convert them and then put them in your iPod! It's a piece of cake. The issue that people are being locked out is silly! I have converted AIFF, MP3, WMA, AAC on my iPod and stored in iTunes. For Apple to embrace WMA right now is to have to pay royalties to MS and LOSE their whole game plan to MS. That's what Thurrott and Enderle want... for Apple to go away! Don't help these idiots! I don't car for WMA any more than you. I agree that MS is trying to push it's own proprietary standard and I don't agree with it. That's their game.

Apple keeps competitors out of thier products. iTMS only works with iTunes. iPod only works with iTunes. No other music store works with iTunes. Well, that may not be entirely true, but you have to take extra steps. I think Apple should stay with ACC, but open up iTunes and the iPod to third parties. But that's Apples game.

dloomer
Jan 13, 2004, 07:38 PM
Doesn't he get off on the wrong foot with the very second sentence of his article?

The move drew a bit of press attention, but nothing like the front-page news assault that Apple Computer generated last week for its comparably weak announcement of expensive, new, and smaller iPod devices, portable audio players that won't be available for months.

As far as I can tell, he's lying already. True, iPod minis aren't available until April ... IN EUROPE. If you add an iPod mini to your shopping cart in the Apple Store, it gives a ship date of Feb. 16.

Maybe this is a European site? Doesn't look like it though. Looks more like this guy is full of it.

ITR 81
Jan 13, 2004, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by kettle
This seems to have got them running.
In the U.K. the day after this was announced there was major iPod news coverage the problem is the only thing they will talk about is how bad the battery life is. Nothing about the HP deal. strange.

Yeah and they probably didn't even talk about the 3rd party replacements??

Today on TechTv Screensavers one of the hosts who had his hand all bandage up fixed older gen iPod's battery in like 4-5 mins flat.

Rower_CPU
Jan 13, 2004, 08:32 PM
From Apple's point of view, the HP deal is a major milestone. iPods have sold phenomenally well, and with 30 million paid iTunes Music Store downloads, one could even argue that the Protected AAC format is on a roll by default. But the PC market is many times larger than that figure, and potential music sales to all PC users is an order of magnitude larger than anything Apple could handle by itself.

This guy says he has two iPods and has downloaded a bunch of tunes through the iTMS and yet he still has the gall to make statements like this with a straight face?

iTunes for Windows has been out for quite some time now, and Apple seems to be handling the sales just fine. This guy is unbelievable.

nagromme
Jan 13, 2004, 09:12 PM
From Tom's Hardware Guide:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/consumer/20020712/2u4u-05.html

rjwill246
Jan 13, 2004, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by pgwalsh
. I think Apple should stay with ACC, but open up iTunes and the iPod to third parties. But that's Apples game.

It's a game to win then. Your pathway for them is to an ending not a growth. If that scenario took root you'd better come to love WMA 'cause it's all you'll have. It's THAT simple. Apple needs a lot of help mate, in order to get BIG enough to withstand the MS onsalught that would ensue. It might not be ideal, with you I agree, but it's not a level playing field and make no mistake about it.

Sabenth
Jan 13, 2004, 10:26 PM
I am glad i dont read everything in print format id be reading for years. Just on this one subject


Dont know who this guy is but sounds a bit daft to me..

pgwalsh
Jan 14, 2004, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by rjwill246
It's a game to win then. Your pathway for them is to an ending not a growth. If that scenario took root you'd better come to love WMA 'cause it's all you'll have. It's THAT simple. Apple needs a lot of help mate, in order to get BIG enough to withstand the MS onsalught that would ensue. It might not be ideal, with you I agree, but it's not a level playing field and make no mistake about it. What I meant was they should open those up to third parties as long as those third parties use AAC. Now if that's a bad thing, then please explain in detail...

If they don't then people will start questioning. Example: Well I could buy this player and use these three stores or I could buy Apples and only use Apples store... I could also see people saying: Well, I like iTunes, but I can only use it with Apples iPod and though MusicMatch sucks, I can use it with these 30 other players. Oh and MusicMatch will get better over time.

winmacguy
Jan 14, 2004, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by pgwalsh
What I meant was they should open those up to third parties as long as those third parties use AAC. Now if that's a bad thing, then please explain in detail...

If they don't then people will start questioning. Example: Well I could buy this player and use these three stores or I could buy Apples and only use Apples store... I could also see people saying: Well, I like iTunes, but I can only use it with Apples iPod and though MusicMatch sucks, I can use it with these 30 other players. Oh and MusicMatch will get better over time.

And so will Apple. with the likely hood of more deals with other PC manufacturers in the pipeline in the coming months to incorporate iTunes onto the desktop of all the PCs being sold in place of WMP as well as continuing to ad labels to iTMS

1macker1
Jan 14, 2004, 03:45 PM
Apple's anti-piracy software is proprietary, that's what make it incompatible with other AAC music players.
Originally posted by rjwill246
Listen, it's really simple. Apple is using an open standard. MS is using a closed one but they want everyone to use that one. Apple is drawing a line in the sand and in so doing is inviting everyone else to use AAC! Simple. There is not one reason why Apple should go along with the MS hegemony on this issue. meanwhile, take all your WMA files and convert them and then put them in your iPod! It's a piece of cake. The issue that people are being locked out is silly! I have converted AIFF, MP3, WMA, AAC on my iPod and stored in iTunes. For Apple to embrace WMA right now is to have to pay royalties to MS and LOSE their whole game plan to MS. That's what Thurrott and Enderle want... for Apple to go away! Don't help these idiots!

Nermal
Jan 14, 2004, 07:35 PM
MS is currently beta-testing an "audio update" that only installs on HP or Compaq machines. Coincidence?