The Republican Convention thread

[Cleverboy]

As the Republicans prepare for their convention, McCain has picked his Vice President and the RNC is sharpening their rhetoric on their newly nominated foe, Barack Obama. McCain's "Country First" message will be the central theme, countering Obama's message of "Change We Can Believe In". The GOP message factors right into the infighting that has broken out in the Democratic Party and has been spun brilliantly by the McCain campaign in recent weeks.

Already, the RNC is dealing with their first challenge... and while the name Gustav might make you think the threat plays to McCain's foreign policy strengths, the reality is even more unpredictable than that. Hurrican Gustav has forced the RNC to delay their convention by a day. Pundits have already lined up to predict the political dimensions to the storm, saying:

Katrina was a natural disaster that turned into a political one for the Bush administration. Gustav, now on course for the Gulf Coast almost three years to the day since that hurricane struck, could offer the chance for redemption or point-scoring in the presidential campaign.

Fumble the response again and the Democrats will pounce, especially given that Gustav could make landfall in the midst of the Republican National Convention, which opens Monday in St. Paul, Minn. Where the Democrats held their convention at Pepsi Center in Denver, CO and ended in Invesco Field to a stadium packed with 75,000 people, the Republicans by contrast have made their venue the Xcel Energy Center in Minneapolis-Saint Paul.

The question on everyone's mind will be... who will prime themselves to capture this moment in history? Who will be best prepared to make our country strong again? The GOP clearly think they've found their man.

http://www.gopconvention2008.com/

~ CB

[yg17]

I wonder if the Prostitution Unit of the Minneapolis police will be working overtime in the airport next week

[Desertrat]

Prostitution unit? Why would Minneapolis be any different from Denver? Or, are you implying that the Democrat gals give it away for free?

:D:D:D

[atszyman]

Prostitution unit? Why would Minneapolis be any different from Denver? Or, are you implying that the Democrat gals give it away for free?

:D:D:D

Isn't the Twin Cities where Larry Craig did his toe tapping?

[TSE]

I'm going to the Republican National Convention since it's here in the Twin Cities. I'm not really a Republican or a Democrat but I plan on going just because nothing this important really happens in the Twin Cities very often.

I also plan on going to the protestors with a shirt with a picture of McCain and '08 on the back just to see what they will do. :)

[aethelbert]

Isn't the Twin Cities where Larry Craig did his toe tapping?
Of course, the fun was in MSP. Airport restrooms are big on that kinda stuff.

[mactastic]

Be interesting to see if the GOP is forced to alter their plans for the convention due to hurricane Gustav. That's probably not an optic they want to play up right now. McCain probably doesn't want people reminded of what he was doing 3 years ago today.

BTW, Happy Birthday Senator McCain. 72 candles for your cake this year. Plus one to grow on...

[skunk]

BTW, Happy Birthday Senator McCain. 72 candles for your cake. Or one virgin per year.

[Dmac77]

Isn't the Twin Cities where Larry Craig did his toe tapping?

Isn't the White House where a former democratic president ejaculated all over an intern's dress:confused:

Don

[blackfox]

Isn't the White House where a former democratic president ejaculated all over an intern's dress:confused:

Don

First of all, you must have been all of 8 when that happened. Secondly, curiously, which is a greater threat to marriage - an illicit affair or gay sex? Answer carefully.

[mactastic]

Isn't the White House where a former democratic president ejaculated all over an intern's dress:confused:

Don
Isn't the White House where a former republican president committed crimes resulting in his impending impeachment followed by his resignation in disgrace from office?

[yg17]

Isn't the White House where a former democratic president ejaculated all over an intern's dress:confused:

Don


Having an affair and blowing your load on an intern's dress, while immoral, is completely legal. Solicitation of prostitution however, is not. That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans. When the Ds have affairs, they're doing it legally.

[Cleverboy]

Having an affair and blowing your load on an intern's dress, while immoral, is completely legal. Solicitation of prostitution however, is not. That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans. When the Ds have affairs, they're doing it legally.Before we get into the disgrace of sodomy laws, I just want to say, this thread was brought to you by the letter "R".

~ CB

[BoyBach]

Does anybody know if Bush and Cheney are attending?

[mactastic]

Does anybody know if Bush and Cheney are attending?
The convention? Yes, they both are speaking on the first night, to then be whisked away (Cheney is going so far as to leave the country) so the GOP can then pretend they do not exist after that first night.

For some reason, the GOP elites don't want either of them around -- at least on camera. Can't imagine why, as they say they are super-proud of them both...

[BoyBach]

The convention? Yes, they both are speaking on the first night, to then be whisked away (Cheney is going so far as to leave the country) so the GOP can then pretend they do not exist after that first night.


This surprises me. I would have thought that the McCain campaign people wouldn't want the Bush presidency mentioned, never mind attending, the convention.

[mactastic]

This surprises me. I would have thought that the McCain campaign people wouldn't want the Bush presidency mentioned, never mind attending, the convention.
They'd prefer that, but then their would be even more questions about why they are running from Bush. They want to get the Bush/Cheney appearances over as quickly as possible and then get them out of view because while their base support is high, very few outside the GOP dead-enders approve of them.

We'll see if McCain can thread that needle more successfully than Al Gore did in 2000.

[stubeeef]

I wonder if the Prostitution Unit of the Minneapolis police will be working overtime in the airport next week

Obama is a prostitute, so go figure, you think he'll get arrested?:rolleyes:

[skunk]

Obama is a prostitute, so go figure, you think he'll get arrested?:rolleyes:...and you're usually so subtle.

[stubeeef]

...and you're usually so subtle.
Sorry, but you know when in rome....

http://thumb15.webshots.net/t/50/750/5/39/66/2352539660099220075BBxjYl_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2352539660099220075BBxjYl)

Prostitute on the left, John on the right

[skunk]

I have no idea what or whom you are talking about here, but I am pretty sure it's not anything which will raise the level of discourse, help the USA out of the hole it's in, or improve my understanding.

[stubeeef]

I have no idea what or whom you are talking about here, but I am pretty sure it's not anything which will raise the level of discourse, help the USA out of the hole it's in, or improve my understanding.

raise the level of discourse!? here in this forum!!! now that is laughable skunk and you know it.
I agree that Obama can not lift the US into anything or place I want it to go. As far as your understanding....well that is a personal matter I think.
But when the first reply to the OP is about prostitution during the RNC I don't see where the level of discourse was ever going to go anywhere but in the toilet (pun intended).

[Prof.]

Lets see if the republicans can fill an 85,000-person stadium to capacity.:cool:

EDIT: Not to mention the thousands of ppl outside the stadium.

[mactastic]

Sorry, but you know when in rome....
Do like the Romans?

http://www.uncorrelated.com/images/John%20McCain.jpghttp://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fv9a0p04E1zp/340x.jpg
Prostitute on the left, John on the right.

[stubeeef]

Lets see if the republicans can fill an 85,000-person stadium to capacity.:cool:

EDIT: Not to mention the thousands of ppl outside the stadium.

Gonna be a lot harder, they will be working.

[stubeeef]

Do like the Romans?

http://www.uncorrelated.com/images/John%20McCain.jpghttp://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fv9a0p04E1zp/340x.jpg
Prostitute on the left, John on the right.
Thank you for proving the point!:p

Here is the part you are leaving out, after RAISING THE LEVEL OF DISCOURSE, like that could happen here, really let us be honest. Cleared by Democrats even, oh my, at least they had an investigation.

The Senate Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of Glenn in the scheme was minimal, and the charges against him were dropped.[16] He was only criticized by the Committee for "poor judgment."[19]

The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[17][16] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Keating's behalf.[6] The report also said that McCain's "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate."[20] On his Keating Five experience, McCain has said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."[6]

Several accounts of the controversy contend that McCain was included in the investigation primarily so that there would be at least one Republican target.[21][22][23][9] Glenn's inclusion in the investigation has been attributed to Republicans who were angered by the inclusion of McCain, as well as committee members who thought that dropping Glenn (and McCain) would make it look bad for the remaining three Democratic Senators.[21][23] Democrat Robert S. Bennett, who was the special investigator during the scandal, suggested to the Senate Ethics Committee that it pursue charges against neither McCain nor Glenn, saying of McCain, "that there was no evidence against him."[22] The Vice Chairman of the Ethics Committee, Senator Warren Rudman of New Hampshire, agreed with Bennett, but the Chairman, Senator Howell Heflin of Alabama, did not agree.[9]

Regardless of the level of their involvement, both senators were greatly affected by it. McCain would write in 2002 that attending the two April 1987 meetings was "the worst mistake of my life".[24] Glenn has described the Senate Ethics Committee investigation as the low point of his life.[7]

link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five)

[Thomas Veil]

Lets see if the republicans can fill an 85,000-person stadium to capacity.:cool:Yeah, but they may have to let 75,000 protesters in.

[mactastic]

Thank you for proving the point!:p
And thank you for proving the point as well! :p

Here is the part you are leaving out, after RAISING THE LEVEL OF DISCOURSE, like that could happen here, really let us be honest. Cleared by Democrats even, oh my, at least they had an investigation.
And of course the part you are leaving out, after RAISING THE LEVEL OF DISCOUSE, as if it's possible for you to do so, really lets be honest. No proof on any wrongdoing by Obama was ever produced. By Republicans no less.

But that's for playing LOWERING THE DISCOURSE. Please have some more kool-aid and try again next time.

[stubeeef]

And thank you for proving the point as well! :p


And of course the part you are leaving out, after RAISING THE LEVEL OF DISCOUSE, as if it's possible for you to do so, really lets be honest. No proof on any wrongdoing by Obama was ever produced. By Republicans no less.


There has not been a congressional investigation of Obama (yet), I guess you missed that part. Myopic?
Proof will be hard to get when Hussein Jr. locks down and hides his records, of course he doesn't have anything to hide, he just is too busy signing autographs to answer those inquiring.

winky dink (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122005063234084813.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)

my favorite part quoting mr harvard grad...
He also said he didn't understand a lot about house buying, and gave vague answers to other questions.

[mactastic]

There has not been a congressional investigation of Obama (yet), I guess you missed that part. Myopic?
There hasn't been a congressional investigation of Ms.Palin yet either, which by your logic is proof of her guilt. I guess you missed that part. Myopic?
Proof will be hard to get when Hussein Jr. locks down and hides his records, of course he doesn't have anything to hide, he just is too busy signing autographs to answer those inquiring.
Ah yes, like the way proof is hard to get when Bush locks down the WH? Of course he doesn't have anything to hide, he's just to busy signing statements to answer those inquiring. Right?
my favorite part quoting mr harvard grad...
My favorite quote from mr west point grad (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/opinion/14krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)...
"The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should."

Two can play at this stupid game all day.

[stubeeef]

There hasn't been a congressional investigation of Ms.Palin yet either, which by your logic is proof of her guilt. I guess you missed that part. Myopic?

We were talking about your hero Hussein Jr., why not address that first. Changing the subject to avoid the issue. BTW myopic, she has invited an investigation, not eluded disclosure. Huge difference in the real world vs the love fest here.

Ah yes, like the way proof is hard to get when Bush locks down the WH? Of course he doesn't have anything to hide, he's just to busy signing statements to answer those inquiring. Right?
Once again moving from Obama and off to W, why? I remember how I was flogged here by raising Clinton in an argument, why do you mention W to defend undefendable action by Hussein Jr.? Strawman? shift away from the obvious? hmmm

My favorite quote from mr west point grad (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/opinion/14krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)...
"The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should."
Two can play at this stupid game all day.

BTW mr facts check, it was the Naval Academy..not West Point. But facts don't mean much here. And Krugman, there is a lightening rod.
At least it is not a dodge from prosecution! McCain commonly berates himself on his school days. We are to expect a Columbia and Harvard millionaire to not understand how to buy a house?! Wonder how he will be with economics. Crap McCain has bought 7 houses, he must know more about economics than Hussein Jr.

[skunk]

We were talking about your hero Hussein Jr.Could you explain to an ignorant Brit why you keep referring to Barack Obama as Hussein Jr? Is there some hidden subtext at play?

[it5five]

Here in America, if any part of your name is similar to the name of someone who's done "bad things", you are guilty by name association.

[stubeeef]

Could you explain to an ignorant Brit why you keep referring to Barack Obama as Hussein Jr? Is there some hidden subtext at play?

Just a dig, seems many dems are sensative to it. He is sort of a christian I think, hard to tell after 20 yrs you know where. anyway kinda like all the little plays on McCain. That's all.

[skunk]

Just a dig, seems many dems are sensative to it. He is sort of a christian I think, hard to tell after 20 yrs you know where. anyway kinda like all the little plays on McCain. That's all.Oh, I see. It's just playground politics with a little anti-Muslim prejudice thrown in. It's good to know that the most powerful country in the world is going to choose a new leader so intelligently.

[stubeeef]

Oh, I see. It's just playground politics with a little anti-Muslim prejudice thrown in. It's good to know that the most powerful country in the world is going to choose a new leader so intelligently.
Come now, where have you been as they slaughter McCain's name? At least Hussien IS part of his name, unlike the other. But it may seem better to see it only one way? I repeat, it is part of his name, and he is a Jr.

[skunk]

Come now, where have you been as they slaughter McCain's name?In the UK, as it happens.I repeat, it is part of his name, and he is a Jr.Oh, come on Mr Beeef, don't be so disingenuous: the clear implication behind using it like this is that he is either secretly Muslim or a Muslim sympathiser, that he is unAmerican, that he is a stinking Ayrab, and, for good measure, that he is associated in some way with Saddam Hussein. It is appealing to crude racist and anti-Muslim sentiment. Surely you can find a more dignified way of expressing your opposition?

[stubeeef]

In the UK, as it happens.Oh, come on Mr Beeef, don't be so disingenuous: the clear implication behind using it like this is that he is either secretly Muslim or a Muslim sympathiser, that he is unAmerican, that he is a stinking Ayrab, and, for good measure, that he is associated in some way with Saddam Hussein. It is appealing to crude racist and anti-Muslim sentiment. Surely you can find a more dignified way of expressing your opposition?

It doesn't make me feel that way about him, seems just dems are sensative to it. Barak doesn't bother me or Obama, so why does Hussien bother so many dems? I think they are the one with the problem.
BTW I know a couple of hard core right wing muslims that would make excellent political leaders. Being muslim is not a crime in the US, let us make that point.
Fear mongering by dems or repubs is silly, but I like to watch liberals get offended if I say his middle name, it is so silly to watch.

side note, my 12yr old daughter loves frogs and said she loves your avatar

[mactastic]

We were talking about your hero Hussein Jr., why not address that first. Changing the subject to avoid the issue. BTW myopic, she has invited an investigation, not eluded disclosure. Huge difference in the real world vs the love fest here.
My hero? Show me where I've called Obama my hero, or admit you're using cheap rhetorical flourishes to put words I never said in my mouth.

Once again moving from Obama and off to W, why? I remember how I was flogged here by raising Clinton in an argument, why do you mention W to defend undefendable action by Hussein Jr.? Strawman? shift away from the obvious? hmmm
And I take it you are bitter about your treatment? Possibly even clinging to a gun while harboring your bitterness?

BTW mr facts check, it was the Naval Academy..not West Point. But facts don't mean much here. And Krugman, there is a lightening rod.
At least it is not a dodge from prosecution! McCain commonly berates himself on his school days. We are to expect a Columbia and Harvard millionaire to not understand how to buy a house?! Wonder how he will be with economics. Crap McCain has bought 7 houses, he must know more about economics than Hussein Jr.
My sincere apologies. Naval Academy it is. But I'll point out that Krugman was not the one who said McCain didn't have a grasp of economics. McCain said that himself. And McCain's economic advisor called the nation a bunch of whiners. So are you whining, or are you clinging? :p

And a dodge from prosecution? You really are on fire about this Rezko thing, aren't you? Really trying to deflect from the Palin stuff and the Keating 5 stuff. Smacks of desperation to me...

[stubeeef]

drinking a lot these day ehhh

[mactastic]

drinking a lot these day ehhh
Abusing your kids a lot these days ehhh....
:rolleyes:
It never gets any smarter with you, does it?

[Prof.]

I haven't been following John McCain's or Sarah Palin's campaign lately so I was completely shocked when my mom told me Sarah Palin is Anti-Gay Marriage and Anti-Abortion.

McCain and Palin just lost the election.

[Iscariot]

McCain and Palin just lost the election.

I doubt that very, very much.

[Prof.]

I doubt that very, very much.
Well they lost the gay vote (whatever they had) which is about 10% of the votes and they lost the vote from the women who are pro-abortion. That's a large hit.

[stubeeef]

Abusing your kids a lot these days ehhh....
:rolleyes:
It never gets any smarter with you, does it?

Your still avoiding the questions, still don't have answers, and still answering with questions.

[obeygiant]

Wow, this thread really took a nose dive. I can't wait to see what happens when the convention actually begins.

[stubeeef]

I haven't been following John McCain's or Sarah Palin's campaign lately so I was completely shocked when my mom told me Sarah Palin is Anti-Gay Marriage and Anti-Abortion.

McCain and Palin just lost the election.


UMMM....Barak (censored) Obama opposes same sex marriage.

[Cleverboy]

This is a shame. I almost feel bad for the Republican event, it looks like a wash at this point. I think McCain said it best:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jvnjGY5bN0OFXs6wcJMRJ6ZhcKCgD92SVP0O0
If the storm's landfall is serious, McCain said he probably would rethink allowing the four-day political gathering to continue.

"It just wouldn't be appropriate to have a festive occasion while a near tragedy or a terrible challenge is presented in the form of a natural disaster," McCain said in an interview taped Saturday with "Fox News Sunday." "So we're monitoring it from day to day, and I'm saying a few prayers, too."

President Bush was criticized after Katrina struck in August 2005 because he stuck to a schedule that took him from his ranch in Texas on a two-day trip to Arizona and California. There, he promoted a Medicare proposal while making just scant references to Katrina even as it slammed the Gulf Coast. Bush even happily strummed a guitar backstage at one event. He did not return to Washington until two days after the storm and did not visit the region until five days after.

The Bush White House was badly burned by its fumbling response after Katrina. Bush's image as a strong leader has never entirely rebounded, even though he has labored to improve on the Katrina performance. Gustav is going nuclear. The waters in the gulf are 90 degrees at this time. Basically, the leaders of New Orleans are now saying:

#1.) Be Very Scared.
#2.) Get Out, or You're On Your Own.

My sincerest condolences to the people caught in the way of this beast.

~ CB

[obeygiant]

This is a shame. I almost feel bad for the Republican event, it looks like a wash at this point.

A wash? It hasn't even begun! LOL

[Cleverboy]

A wash? It hasn't even begun! LOLSigh. I know. Poor word choice. (GROAN) But, again... the Republicans CANNOT AFFORD another repeat of Katrina. This is their ball to f-up again. Convention be damned... ELE-warning. This is an "election-level-event". Some Republicans have begun talking about the idea of converting the convention to something of a telethon to raise money for the Red Cross. They've already delayed it a day, but the logistical nightmare of sharing the news cycle with a natural disaster... and still being "festive", is a problem.

~ CB

[Prof.]

UMMM....Barak (censored) Obama opposes same sex marriage.
That's not what he said in his speech. He's for gay rights.:confused:

It's Barack not Barak.

[stubeeef]

That's not what he said in his speech. He's for gay rights.:confused:

It's Barack not Barak.

While often playing it close to the line, being for civil unions (like me) he has said....

http://obama.senate.gov/press/060607-obama_statement_26/index.php

[mactastic]

Your still avoiding the questions, still don't have answers, and still answering with questions.
Dodge and weave all you want, it won't help you. You're refusing to answer the questions and still don't have any answers. It seems all you have is pop psychology analysis of my mental state and drinking habits. Try again sir!

[solvs]

Does anybody know if Bush and Cheney are attending?
Not anymore (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080901/pl_politico/13039;_ylt=Ap6hXL6KAoS8X2wgHNg2tB.yFz4D).

Obama is a prostitute, so go figure, you think he'll get arrested?:rolleyes:
Really? That's where you're going with this? My God, how low you've sunk. I'm sad for you.

But when the first reply to the OP is about prostitution during the RNC
It was referencing a staunch, "family values", anti-gay Congress critter (as 'rat calls them) getting caught trying to pick up a male prostitute in the bathroom there. We could have also gone with the bridge collapse. If the Dems were having their convention in NY, you could mention the Spizter thing. It would fit. Calling Obama a prostitute is kinda a non-sequitor and yes, does lower the conversation, just as calling McCain one first would have been.

We were talking about your hero Hussein Jr., why not address that first. Changing the subject to avoid the issue.

Once again moving from Obama and off to W, why?
Actually this thread was supposed to be about the Republican National Convention. Or it's lack thereof. No one was talking about Obama as a hero, and saying Hussein Jr. doesn't really make your point. W is involved because he was supposed to be at the convention, but even the GOP wants to distance themselves from him. Ironically, now they have their chance.

BTW mr facts check, it was the Naval Academy..not West Point. But facts don't mean much here.
Facts mean everything here and you know it. You could have easily disputed his minor mistake and corrected him. No need to further lower the level of discourse just because you're mad we brought up the fact that one of yours got caught being a hypocrite where the GOP was going to hold their convention.

Crap McCain has bought 7 houses, he must know more about economics than Hussein Jr.
He proved he knows how to marry rich, the way Kerry was criticized for.

Could you explain to an ignorant Brit why you keep referring to Barack Obama as Hussein Jr? Is there some hidden subtext at play?
It's the American version of subtext, which is IN YOUR FACE!

It doesn't make me feel that way about him, seems just dems are sensative to it. Barak doesn't bother me or Obama, so why does Hussien bother so many dems? I think they are the one with the problem.
Because you're only using his middle name, and using it as a way to associate him with Muslims and a former dictator who was our friend before he wasn't and we invaded his country, making it seem like he had something to do with 9/11 when we all know he didn't, pretending they never made any such connection, when we all know they did. Same way they're oh so subtly doing now. But you knew that already didn't you. Yes, everyone else has the problem, not you. You're not playing on people's racism nor their fears like you criticize others for at all. Nope. Not one bit. :rolleyes:

drinking a lot these day
That would explain a lot.


Meanwhile:

Americans must give the Republicans a good kicking on November 4 (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/article4621979.ece)

And we know it.

[obeygiant]

Is anyone watching? ;)

[Mike Teezie]

Is anyone watching? ;)

I watched a few minutes. Is it just me, or does it look like a communist rally with all the red?

[atszyman]

I watched quite a bit last night. Saw Laura and George Bush's speeches. Could only read the banners during Thompson's speech, and heard/watched most of Lieberman.

They avoided mentioning the last 8 years like the plague aside from the short speech from Bush via satellite.

From the snippets of Thompson's speech I saw, all of our woes right now are due to the very slim Democratic majority in Congress, and if we elect the Dems we're all going to be taxed into oblivion and the Government is going to grow uncontrollably.

Lieberman was starting off trying to echo Obama in that we should be Americans before we're partisan, and went on at length about how McCain is his own man, stands up for what he believes in and has the conviction and experience to really change politics.

It was funny to watch when MSNBC was questioning Lieberman on whether or not Palin was ready and he hemmed and hawed about how you don't elect the VP you elect the President and McCain is in excellent health, blah, blah, blah, and finally a short under his breath, almost whispered, "she's ready."

It was also fun to watch Pat Buchanan fly off the handle when addressing the vetting of Palin.

I'm going to try to watch again tonight to see if Palin can manage to win over her critics or if she flops horribly. If she flops I expect she'll be needing to "spend more time with her family" within the next couple weeks.

[Dont Hurt Me]

The last 8 years, thats something the republicans wont talk about, all they have is Mud to throw because they cant talk issues like borders,healthcare,Iraq,spying,torture,mexican highway to Canada,holding folks for years without due process,Katrina,or the cold war2 they are working on to create. Mud, so we will hear about Obama's church or something really stupid. No issues at all.

Im still trying to figure out why we have a congress if Bushco can make up law with signing statements..Both partys suck let there be no mistake but the republicans seem a little more eager to sell us out to anyone who isnt a u.s. worker.

[JG271]

The last 8 years, thats something the republicans wont talk about, all they have is Mud to throw because they cant talk issues like borders,healthcare,Iraq,spying,torture,mexican highway to Canada,holding folks for years without due process,Katrina,or the cold war2 they are working on to create. Mud, so we will hear about Obama's church or something really stupid. No issues at all.
.

Indeed. The republicans, or George Bush at least are playing the usual "the world is scary" card.

In his eight-minute address, Mr Bush described Mr McCain as a president ready to make the tough decisions needed "in a dangerous world".

Article Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/americas/2008/vote_usa_2008/7595111.stm)

[Cleverboy]

So... James Carville gave the Democrats a drubbing, because of the initial "lack-of-message" from the first night. The Democrats rectified that problem, by his assessment, in short order. The Republicans, by contrast, seem to have no such criticisms internally... and have proceeded to forget one of the most important issues according to American voters.

THE ECONOMY

Obama has now picked up on it, and is handing our proper drubbings for the GOP.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/barack-obamas-r.html
Not once did people mention the hardships that folks are going through. Not once did they mention what are we going to do about keeping jobs here in Ohio. Not once did they mention what are we going to do about all these retirees that are losing their pensions. Not once did they mention how are we going to make sure Social Security is there for the next generation.

The other party and John McCain don’t get it. They don’t get it. The sad thing is... its ENTIRELY true. The Christian Science Monitor also noted this bizarre and curious fact a bit earlier. The title for their article?

GOP convention honors POW
McCain, economy goes MIA
http://www.csmonitor.com/patchworknation/csmstaff/2008/0903/gop-convention-honors-pow-mccain-economy-goes-mia/
Perhaps most important, there was one large missing piece in last night’s opening act - the economy. There were a few mentions of taxes (Republicans say Obama will raise them) and gas prices (Republicans promise McCain will drill for oil). But the broader issue of the nation’s economic well-being was not a dominant theme as it is in many of our communities.

It’s only Day 1, of course (or Day 2, if you count Monday’s rump schedule). There are two nights left and there will be different themes trotted out - as there are at all conventions. Considering McCain’s personal history, maybe Tuesday was not the best evening to talk about tough economic times.

But sometime in the next two days, judging from our communities, the conversation in St. Paul will have to turn to Americans’ economic jitters if the GOP wants to win over skeptical voters. It's McCain's fault of course. Everyone is still backstage re-writing their scripts after Saturday's bombshell.

~ CB

[quagmire]

Ugh! On MSNBC, they positioned the cameras to where when they have the republican being shown, there are protesters with signs saying 9/11 was an inside job in the background. I hope they didn't do that intentionally...........

[Prof.]

So uhhhhhh... I'm watching the RNC right now and from the angle I'm watching, I see a lot of empty bleachers.

[Anuba]

Oh man... I'm watching this live on European CNN.

Republicans are so strange it's unbelievable... one religious kook after the other gets up on stage and talks to adults like they were kindergarteners, while the adults are chanting "drill baby drill". What the hell is this? :confused:
I never thought I'd see white people weirder than the taliban, but I guess there's a first for everything.

[obeygiant]

Oh man... I'm watching this live on European CNN.

Republicans are so strange it's unbelievable... one religious kook after the other gets up on stage and talks to adults like they were kindergarteners, while the adults are chanting "drill baby drill". What the hell is this? :confused:
I never thought I'd see white people weirder than the taliban, but I guess there's a first for everything.

Here in the states, on major cable networks we're spared the rantings of ordinary citizens and that time is fill with commentary and analysis. I agree it is a little weird. This happened too at the DNC but it didn't have the religious slant to it.

[NT1440]

Is anyone watching? ;)

i was thinking the same thing when i noticed how empty and echo-y the room is. How is it they cant fill this smaller venue, but somehow still are a major competitor?

[walangij]

THANK YOU. Finally, someone gives Obama some credit (Huckabee) after speaker after speaker prefaced anything about McCain by saying he's a patriot, great service and we're thankful for it. One thing I don't get is the sudden strong platform point of drilling our way out of our problems. I mean, seriously, who REALLY believes that this will help at all? I don't even remember anything else about their energy platform besides how we will get off our addiction to oil besides by drilling for more oil. I'm just wondering.

From some of the undecideds I've talked to, this RNC convention is preaching more to the choir rather than trying to bring some into the fold (Sorry for the lame religious reference).

[Anuba]

Here in the states, on major cable networks we're spared the rantings of ordinary citizens and that time is fill with commentary and analysis. I agree it is a little weird. This happened too at the DNC but it didn't have the religious slant to it.
Well I guess I'm just taken aback by the overt role that religion is allowed to play in this context... I think that if any political party here in the secular parts of Europe would bring an actual bishop on stage and ask the crowd to join him in prayer, I think the sheer impact of all the dropped jaws would cause the floor to crack. Then there would be public lynching for breaking the unspoken rule of never dragging religion into politics. All this stuff about "family values", uh... over here we have no idea about the families of politicians, and we don't care. They can be straight, single, married, gay, divorced, bigamists... Once someone is elected prime minister we may get a glimpse of his wife at some official event or whatever, but that's about it.

All these men in cowboy hats and hideous women in pant suits and 4 cans of hairspray... I guess this is the closest I'll ever get to contact with aliens! :eek:

[zap2]

I'm listen to the governor of Hawaii, she's hinting that the fact Palin's daughter is having a kid, and how its a good thing, WHAT?!? Come on! Obama stood up and said leave it alone, but the republicans want to bring it up, as a positive. Out of this world. How she's talking about experience....some how being a mayor is enough for president, but senator isn't, then saying "well things worked out"

WHAT? She just attacked Obama/Biden over legislative experience...what about McCain?! And she just said Obama/Biden never actively was the head leader of anything...come on!


Romney attacks "washington D.C." is liberal? I'm sorry, WHAT?!? And then he said McCain is change? WHAT?!?! How would anyone buy that?

[Thomas Veil]

Romney attacks "washington D.C." is liberal? I'm sorry, WHAT?!? And then he said McCain is change? WHAT?!?! How would anyone buy that?I just saw that. I'm baffled.

Huckabee's speech was wanting, too. Couple of straw man arguments about Obama to knock down (bigger government, etc.), some story about troops and desks (yeah, guv, I got the gist, but it was still kinda lame...)

And then while Romney was being interviewed there was some sort of doofus who was mugging directly into the camera and pulling on his ear lobes. Hard. Right. Then left. Then right again. WTF?? :p

So uhhhhhh... I'm watching the RNC right now and from the angle I'm watching, I see a lot of empty bleachers.Yeah, my wife told me that as I sat down to watch, and I didn't really believe her. I mean, they'll drag people in off the streets if they have to to fill the seats. And yet there it was. Lotsa empty seats in the bleachers.

In. Credible.

[Anuba]

I'm listen to the governor of Hawaii, she's hinting that the fact Palin's daughter is having a kid, and how its a good thing, WHAT?!??
Yeah, the Palin apologist from Hawaii was pretty painful to listen to... OK, so she won a basketball league, was crowned miss Wasilla and eloped with her husband -- wow, I'm sold!

[Prof.]

Giuliani thinks he's a funny man.:rolleyes:

[NT1440]

lol at Gulianni's "he didnt vote", i beleive the real voting record is floating around in this or another thread. So far during the campaigns Mccain has missed FAR more votes than Obama, what he cant multitask??

[obeygiant]

Well I guess I'm just taken aback by the overt role that religion is allowed to play in this context... I think that if any political party here in the secular parts of Europe would bring an actual bishop on stage and ask the crowd to join him in prayer, I think the sheer impact of all the dropped jaws would cause the floor to crack. Then there would be public lynching for breaking the unspoken rule of never dragging religion into politics. All this stuff about "family values", uh... over here we have no idea about the families of politicians, and we don't care. They can be straight, single, married, gay, divorced, bigamists... Once someone is elected prime minister we may get a glimpse of his wife at some official event or whatever, but that's about it.

All these men in cowboy hats and hideous women in pant suits and 4 cans of hairspray... I guess this is the closest I'll ever get to contact with aliens! :eek:

Yeah, religion plays a big part in these people's lives, especially republicans. Although politics in general, here in US at least, runs hand in hand with politics. Politicians make some important decisions and people like to be familiar with a person's heart/soul so their religious background makes a difference. If you have a week of vacation you should travel to the US and drive across country. You get a real good perspective on how people live here.

[Anuba]

Giuliani thinks he's a funny man.:rolleyes:

Yeah. Best speech tonight, though. Not that the competition is strong.

[Mike Teezie]

Is the crowd seriously chanting "drill baby drill"?

Ultra bizarre......

[Lord Blackadder]

Drill Baby Drill! Drill Baby Drill! Drill Baby Drill!

The Republicans' new battle cry appears to double as an energy policy... :eek:

[mactastic]

And yet there it was. Lotsa empty seats in the bleachers.
That's a good thing for Republicans though. Only celebrities fill seats, see?

[NT1440]

hmmm gulianni talking about 9/11....who woulda thought:rolleyes:

also, whats with the GOP obsession with "winning" wars?? You know, who cares if we shouldnt have been there in the first place, cuz what matters is the surge worked, we have our precious "honor", and oooh the scary terrrorists!!! think of the terrorists!:rolleyes:

anyone else think mayb the world wouldnt hate us quite so much if we didnt push our ways on everyone??

[Prof.]

Man, the repubs are desperate. They've done nothing but smear Obama. They're really not talking about what McCain is gonna do for this country.

[NT1440]

remember kids, if you chant USA loud enough, itll make up for every pitfall and falsity in a platform. Lets hear it for blind patriotism! cuz if your not afraid of the terrorists, you ARE one!

come on guys, USA! USA! USA! USA!

[NT1440]

Man, the repubs are desperate. They've done nothing but smear Obama. They're really not talking about what McCain is gonna do for this country.

are u kidding? u didnt hear gulianna when he said, "lets take a moment to talk about Mccains policies". A moment.

[Mike Teezie]

Drill baby drill!

http://www.whudat.com/news/images/rudy-giuliani-cross-dressing.jpg

[Prof.]

If she has enuf time to spend with her children, when did she teach her daughter about sex ed?

Hummmmm... guess she missed that part.:rolleyes:

[Lord Blackadder]

Here she comes...hold on to your butts...

[Prof.]

Here she comes...hold on to your butts...
I'm getting the ear muffs to protect my ears.:D

[redwarrior]

If she has enuf time to spend with her children, when did she teach her daughter about sex ed?

Hummmmm... guess she missed that part.:rolleyes:
She had the same amount of time as all the dems who's kids had abortions, only in this case, we celebrate life, not a cover-up.

[Anuba]

Lordy, these guys are truly desperate. They're really overcompensating for their doubts about this woman by cheering their lungs out.

[Aranince]

Lordy, these guys are truly desperate. They're really overcompensating for their doubts about this woman by cheering their lungs out.

Na...shes just a great pick for VP.

[Lord Blackadder]

Palin Speech Fact:

I've learned that McCain's middle initial is "S"

A good start so far!

[Aranince]

Palin Speech Fact:

I've learned that McCain's middle initial is "S"

A good start so far!

lol. Yea...bugs me too.

[Prof.]

She had the same amount of time as all the dems who's kids had abortions, only in this case, we celebrate life, not a cover-up.
I'm an independent and I support the right to have an abortion. The right to have an abortion should not be a political thing. It should only be between the mom, the father of the baby and God. No one else. Politicians of any party have no right to tell a woman what to do with their body.

[Lord Blackadder]

In case you didn't already know, McCain is a veteran. They're making sure that's out there, just in case.

...And her kids are in the military.

Well, that makes her a good Republican mother.

...still talking about the kids. Is this the first ever candidate with a family?

[Prof.]

In case you didn't already know, McCain is a veteran. There making sure that's out there, just in case.

...And her kids are in the military.
ZOMGZ i didn't know.:D:p

EDIT: OMFG he's a snow mobile racer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[redwarrior]

I'm an independent and I support the right to have an abortion. The right to have an abortion should not be a political thing. It should only be between the mom, the father of the baby and God. No one else. Politicians of any party have no right to tell a woman what to do with their body.
Murder is wrong, the mark of a civilized society.

Oh, of course, 2 seconds after it leaves the birth canal it's a life, but just before, stick a sword in it's scull. You're vicious cowards. Has nothing to do with the mother's body, only the baby's. Scared sh*tless to care for an infant, give me a break.

I won't go on. I see life as sacred, not as an animal as you clearly do.

[Anuba]

...and these are my children Billy Bob, Billy Ray, Biff, Buck, Cletus, Betty Sue and Peggy Sue... and little Speck.

[NT1440]

She had the same amount of time as all the dems who's kids had abortions, only in this case, we celebrate life, not a cover-up.

Prof, redwarrior, enough with the family bullcrap.

Family should be off limits, they didnt ask to be under national scrutiny.

[Aranince]

Prof, redwarrior, enough with the family bullcrap.

Family should be off limits, they didnt ask to be under national scrutiny.

Tell that to everyone who is criticizing Palin's daughter's pregnancy.

[redwarrior]

...and these are my children Billy Bob, Billy Ray, Biff, Buck, Cletus, Betty Sue and Peggy Sue... and little Speck.
Sex with animals has it's place here, but i don't think this thread is it!:rolleyes: (and something we republicans know little of.)

[Sky Blue]

D - "Families are off-limits"

R - "We will whore them out"

[Lord Blackadder]

So far, this sounds less like a political speech and more like an autobiography.

[NT1440]

Murder is wrong, the mark of a civilized society.

Oh, of course, 2 seconds after it leaves the birth canal it's a life, but just before, stick a sword in it's scull. You're vicious cowards. Has nothing to do with the mother's body, only the baby's. Scared sh*tless to care for an infant, give me a break.

I won't go on. I see life as sacred, not as an animal as you clearly do.

:rolleyes: how bout when u get pregnant, u do with your body as you choose. Your making broad generalizations and im not going to stand for it. You can speak for yourself but if u must insult others please do it in the privacy of your own home. Do not spout your hatred on these forums.

[Sky Blue]

booooooo!
community organizers!
boooo!

[Aranince]

:rolleyes: how bout when u get pregnant, u do with your body as you choose. Your making broad generalizations and im not going to stand for it. You can speak for yourself but if u must insult others please do it in the privacy of your own home. Do not spout your hatred on these forums.

Yay for legalizing murder of children.

[NT1440]

Tell that to everyone who is criticizing Palin's daughter's pregnancy.

so because "they" do it its alright?

NO ONE should even give a damn about the families, or the person for that matter, why choose a nice candidate when their policies are crap??

THIS RACE IS FOR THE FUTURE OF HOW THE COUNTRY IS RUN, not who has the better family or parenting. I dont give a damn if mccain kicked a kitten or obama kissed a man on stage, THEIR POLICIES ARE WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT.

[gibbz]

So far, this sounds less like a political speech and more like an autobiography.

Yeah, I am not impressed so far. I appreciate her down-to-earthness, but she has yet to inspire confidence that she is able to lead in the event that something happens to McCain.

[Anuba]

So far, this sounds less like a political speech and more like an autobiography.
I guess you has to come up with a lot of filler material when you have no merits or accomplishments to speak of. It's like those job applications where people bring up that they're good at baking cinnamon rolls and that they were hall monitor once in grade school.

[NT1440]

Yay for legalizing murder of children.

yay for the government controlling your body!

[redwarrior]

:rolleyes: how bout when u get pregnant, u do with your body as you choose. Your making broad generalizations and im not going to stand for it. You can speak for yourself but if u must insult others please do it in the privacy of your own home. Do not spout your hatred on these forums.
When you become a mod, I will listen to you. And, uh, yeah, I'm showing hatred? sure; we can only put on the red glasses ourselves, no one else can do it for us.

[Lord Blackadder]

She has mentioned "taking on the oil companies". I think she meant "taking on the polar bears".

[Aranince]

yay for the government controlling your body!

Your child is your body? So could my parents murder my brother or me?

[NT1440]

When you become a mod, I will listen to you. And, uh, yeah, I'm showing hatred? sure; we can only put on the red glasses ourselves, no one else can do it for us.

oh excuse me for expected to see a discussion on the Republican convention when i enter a thread with that title, i dont care about your views on anything else when im here. Can we please drop this and just continue with the convention? please and thank you:)

[Prof.]

Your child is your body? So could my parents murder my brother or me?
No. You've already been born.

[NT1440]

Your child is your body? So could my parents murder my brother or me?

this is the last thing ill say,

you are not a fetus are you? then no, no one can take the life you aquired at birth, legally anyway

[Aranince]

No. You've already born.

So until you've been cut off from your mom....your not a human being?

[Tilpots]

Abortion folks:

Start another thread please.



As for Palin, I think she's going to let this power go to her head. You can see it in her eyes. When she debates Biden, she better not try to get to ballsy or she'll slip.

[Lord Blackadder]

Now it's all about the oil...

She mentioned that Alaska has a budget surplus...Well, I have news for you Sarah - if every stated had your oil reserves we all wouldn;t be buying it from you, and that surplus would not exist. I'm not fooled.

[gibbz]

Boy, one of the first things she has attacked Obama on is....... the stage he used? Glad that is an important issue.:rolleyes:

[redwarrior]

oh excuse me for expected to see a discussion on the Republican convention when i enter a thread with that title, i dont care about your views on anything else when im here. Can we please drop this and just continue with the convention? please and thank you:)
These are the topics that are at issue for this election, so you can't expect for them to lie dormant here. But, of course, I am very happy dropping it, it was getting rather exhausting.:)

[Sky Blue]

I was going to donate when McCain was on... I might do some tonight

[zap2]

Yay for legalizing murder of children.

Gotta be alive before you can kill it!

When you become a mod, I will listen to you. And, uh, yeah, I'm showing hatred? sure; we can only put on the red glasses ourselves, no one else can do it for us.
Uncalled for, while not a mod, each forum member can remind others about the rules.


Your child is your body? So could my parents murder my brother or me?

No, your alive, but before lives starts, its not murder. Because murder would be ending a human's life. Fetus isn't alive, so you can't murder it.

[Prof.]

Have I already said these republicans are ********** crazy?:confused:


:p

[Tilpots]

Have I already said these republicans are ********** crazy?:confused:


:p

If you haven't, you should say it.:)

What was the deal with the girl being escorted out? Anyone else see that?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Have I already said these republicans are ********** crazy?:confused:


:p

The party has become quite the circus in recent years.

[Mike Teezie]

this is literally nothing to this speech other than petty insults. I'm curious to see how this will play.

And to wrap it up......HES A POW!!!

[Aranince]

What was the deal with the girl being escorted out? Anyone else see that?

I'm curious about that too.

[Prof.]

If you haven't, you should say it.:)

What was the deal with the girl being escorted out? Anyone else see that?
She was a protester and she got too... rowdy. Apparently.:rolleyes:

[Lord Blackadder]

They're harping on McCain's POW years awfully hard.

[NT1440]

this is literally nothing to this speech other than petty insults. I'm curious to see how this play.

And to wrap it up......HES A POW!!!

:eek: a POW, how can i NOT vote for him?? after all, being in a prison camp for years means you have military experience....right:confused:

[gibbz]

For those of you interested in learning more about the unknown Palin, read here (http://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM106_080902_ppm41_palin_2006_redax.pdf) for an in depth review of her.

On another note, while I appreciate his service in all sincerity, this campaign has really gone to the "John McCain was a POW" card way too often. I'm sorry, but his POW experience doesn't amount to jack when it comes to his economic plans and so forth. It is like they are all too happy to gloss over topics in favor of telling everyone about his time in Vietnam.

[Tilpots]

And to wrap it up......HES A POW!!!

McCain was a POW!?!? The Republicans should tell us that story. I bet it will be as interesting the millionth time they tell us as it was 30 years ago.:p

[Aranince]

She was a protester and she got too... rowdy. Apparently.:rolleyes:

Those rowdy democrats.


I have to agree with the too much about the McCain POW stuff.

[quagmire]

No, your alive, but before lives starts, its not murder. Because murder would be ending a human's life. Fetus isn't alive, so you can't murder it.

There lies the debate. When does a life begin? When the sperm fertilizes the egg? When the baby is born?

I am for abortion up to a point. When the fetus's brain and heart begins to function, it is too late to have an abortion as it is alive. It is just on life support via the mothers body.*

But, we can debate this all night long as there isn't a set definition of when life begins.

* There can be exceptions. Like if the fetus endangers the mothers life, etc.

[yg17]

For those of you interested in learning more about the unknown Palin. Read here (http://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM106_080902_ppm41_palin_2006_redax.pdf) for an in depth review of her.

On another note, while I appreciate his service in all sincerity, this campaign has really gone to the "John McCain was a POW" card way too often. I'm sorry, but his POW experience doesn't amount to jack when it comes to his economic plans and so forth. It is like they are all too happy to gloss over topics in favor of telling everyone about his time in Vietnam.


I can't even respect him for his service anymore. He's turned it into a political tool and insulted everyone else who has served this country.

[Lord Blackadder]

I think they are abusing the POW stuff - a lot of other guys got captured in Vietnam, and REMAIN IGNORED to this day. Tell THOSE guys that being a POW gives you some sort of special status.

Military service doesn't mean **** to me in terms of elections after seeing what the GOP did to Kerry.

[Thomas Veil]

Well, after listening for 25 minutes or so, I just walked out on Sarah Palin.

She padded the first 10 minutes or so with a lot of stuff about her family and the PTA, and it was in danger of getting rather ridiculous, when she started bringing out the straw men: Obama doesn't want us to be energy-independent; Obama wants to raise our taxes; Obama hasn't done anything worthwhile except accept other people's adulation.

All to the booing of a Republican crowd that reminds one of a shark school when there's blood in the water.

Talk about negativism; but I guess negativism is all they've got. And Palin went on to make herself and McCain sound wonderful because they're going to rescue America from Obama's hypothetical incompetence and indifference, things which -- from what I heard -- exist entirely in their heads and in the word processors of overheated speechwriters.

It's really kind of pathetic.

I can see why she's called Barracuda. And I can discern the pattern we'll see from now until November. McCain will take the high road, and she will play the evil soap opera babe who undercuts all her enemies with vicious, unfounded gossip.

Where as Obama's speeches are open and uplifting, she is the rhetorical equivalent of a mob lawyer. And as such, I don't think she cares what she has to do, or how low she has to go, to win.

God help us if McCain wins and dies and she ends up in the Oval Office. She might make stupid ol' Dubya look good.

[redwarrior]

Gotta be alive before you can kill it!


Uncalled for, while not a mod, each forum member can remind others about the rules.




No, your alive, but before lives starts, its not murder. Because murder would be ending a human's life. Fetus isn't alive, so you can't murder it.
Rules? Life and death? I doubt that the mods want to involve themselves in this debate; however, I'm sure they will if need be. I only fight for life as fervently as you fight for death.

[NT1440]

There lies the debate. When does a life begin? When the sperm fertilizes the egg? When the baby is born?

I am for abortion up to a point. When the fetus's brain and heart begins to function, it is too late to have an abortion as it is alive. It is just on life support via the mothers body.

But, we can debate this all night long as there isn't a set definition of when life begins.take it to a new thread if you dont mind, we are here for the convention debate:)

please and thank you

[Lord Blackadder]

John Is In Da House.

[Tilpots]

Again, abortion folks:

Get your own room. This is about the convention.

[Prof.]

Those rowdy democrats.
Don't forget, your crazy republican bros and sisters were doing it at the DNC too. The repubs are no better.;)
Again, abortion folks:

Get your own room. This is about the convention.
Ummmm... we stopped.

Oh wait. One is still going. nvrmnd.

[Anuba]

Cheap rhetoric littered with puns and wordplay. It's how you talk to children. Nazi children.

[NT1440]

There lies the debate. When does a life begin? When the sperm fertilizes the egg? When the baby is born?

I am for abortion up to a point. When the fetus's brain and heart begins to function, it is too late to have an abortion as it is alive. It is just on life support via the mothers body.*

But, we can debate this all night long as there isn't a set definition of when life begins.

* There can be exceptions. Like if the fetus endangers the mothers life, etc.

now we can finally tlk policy:

to the underlined, not according to Palin, no exceptions. Also, it seems this week Mccain shares that stance.

[redwarrior]

take it to a new thread if you dont mind, we are here for the convention debate:)

please and thank you
Palin was speaking tonight. This is one of the issues she stands on. Completely on topic.

[Tilpots]

No words from McCain?

[EricNau]

No words from McCain?
That will come tomorrow night.

[Tilpots]

That will come tomorrow night.

But he was on the stage. Way to seize the moment.

[Lord Blackadder]

Um, is this the RNC or the Grand 'Ol Opry?

Over-the-top pledge of allegiance w/national anthem. Straight from Nashville. Jeebus. They should be playing Rambo II on that big screen.

[Prof.]

OMFG!!!!!

Country singers at the RNC!!! YEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAW:D

[Aranince]

I'd say she did a good job. But I have some criticisms. Firstly, they are pushing the POW stuff way too hard...to the point it makes me cringe to hear about it. Second, I don't think she spent enough time on the issues as I would have liked, spent too much time describing her self, her family, and McCain.

[Tilpots]

Um, is this the RNC or the Grand 'Ol Opry?

Over-the-top pledge of allegiance w/national anthem.

It's ESPN's College Gameday singers. "We're coming... to you ci-tay..."

[Mike Teezie]

Well, after listening for 25 minutes or so, I just walked out on Sarah Palin.

She padded the first 10 minutes or so with a lot of stuff about her family and the PTA, and it was in danger of getting rather ridiculous, when she started bringing out the straw men: Obama doesn't want us to be energy-independent; Obama wants to raise our taxes; Obama hasn't done anything worthwhile except accept other people's adulation.

All to the booing of a Republican crowd that reminds one of a shark school when there's blood in the water.

Talk about negativism; but I guess negativism is all they've got. And Palin went on to make herself and McCain sound wonderful because they're going to rescue America from Obama's hypothetical incompetence and indifference, things which -- from what I heard -- exist entirely in their heads and in the word processors of overheated speechwriters.

It's really kind of pathetic.

I can see why she's called Barracuda. And I can discern the pattern we'll see from now until November. McCain will take the high road, and she will play the evil soap opera babe who undercuts all her enemies with vicious, unfounded gossip.

Where as Obama's speeches are open and uplifting, she is the rhetorical equivalent of a mob lawyer. And as such, I don't think she cares what she has to do, or how low she has to go, to win.

God help us if McCain wins and dies and she ends up in the Oval Office. She might make stupid ol' Dubya look good.

I agree completely. As if the stakes weren't high enough in this election already - now we have to live in fear of a woman of that brand of scaremongering hate politics half a heartbeat from the white house.

[Lord Blackadder]

YEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAW:D

...and that's actually how Cowboy Troy ended the song.

[obeygiant]

Palin Nailed the speech. One commentator said it was a home run, but in the first inning.

Palin showed remarkable poise in the midst of this maelstrom of mudslinging to give a great speech in front of a large crowd.

She even had an unscripted joke that was relatively funny.

Although she did have some GOP talking points that were a little annoying and tired.

[NT1440]

I'd say she did a good job. But I have some criticisms. Firstly, they are pushing the POW stuff way too hard...to the point it makes me cringe to hear about it. Second, I don't think she spent enough time on the issues as I would have liked, spent too much time describing her self, her family, and McCain.

im sure id be milking my story as much as possible when thats all ive got.
Oh did she mention she lived near Russia? (and apparantly gulianni or however u spell it, is already on board for another cold war, whoopy!:D)

[Tilpots]

Palin showed remarkable poise in the midst of this maelstrom of mudslinging to give a great speech in front of a large crowd.



She was doing most of the mudslinging. If she's trying to be VP, she better be able to give a speech in front of a large crowd and she better be able to handle it when the mud comes flying back.

[Thomas Veil]

You know all that "guy" stuff about Palin? All the hunting and stuff? Between that, her personality and her nickname (Barracuda), I just realized...

She's the female version of the Angry White Man.

She's the first female Angry White Man in national politics! :p

[Lord Blackadder]

Palin said almost nothing new other than some autobiographical info. Everything else was the same old, same old: Terrorists, Oil, and Smaller Government.

The important thing, for the GOP faithful, was to hear all that tripe coming from her mouth.

The question now is, will the barracuda convince the nation?

[Prof.]

Andrea Mitchell looked like she was sooooo bored with Rudy.

[gibbz]

She was doing most of the mudslinging. If she's trying to be VP, she better be able to give a speech in front of a large crowd and she better be able to handle it when the mud comes flying back.

I agree. We will really see when it comes time to debate with Biden when there isn't a nice tele-prompter with a speech approved by the McCain staff. We will see then how she handles the big stage.

[obeygiant]

She was doing most of the mudslinging.

Uhh sure, if you've been asleep for the past 4 days. Its well within normal to shoot some barbs at your opponent. It is another thing, however, to weather a frenzy of slime and lies, about your family no less.

[NT1440]

Palin said almost nothing new other than some autobiographical info. Everything else was the same old, same old: Terrorists, Oil, and Smaller Government.

The important thing, for the GOP faithful, was to hear all that tripe coming from her mouth.

The question now is, will the barracuda convince the nation?

i dont understand the smaller government part they seem to love. Is it smaller government, but amazingly costly military branch, or what?

[Diatribe]

Please don't let this woman anywhere near the White House.

And I think I watched a different speech than the CNN guys... lies, personal attacks and no substance. Scary to think she could be the President in case something happens to McCain.

[Lord Blackadder]

I agree with some of the CNN pundits that Palin's speech will go down well with the GOP's core constituents, but will not necessarily woo independents.

And I think I watched a different speech than the CNN guys... lies, personal attacks and no substance. Scary to think she could be the President in case something happens to McCain.

It seemed to me that Wolf and Anderson were struggling to find talking points...for whatever reason. They just talked about how tough she was, and that she was a force to be reckoned with because she was a Barracuda and a "pitbull in lipstick". Maybe Joe Biden should pack a muzzle or large fishing rod for the debates.

[jessica.]

I agree with some of the CNN pundits that Palin's speech will go down well with the GOP's core constituents, but will not necessarily woo independents.

She woo'ed me. Quite frankly and not because she's a woman.

[Anuba]

Palin showed remarkable poise in the midst of this maelstrom of mudslinging to give a great speech in front of a large crowd.
Uh, yeah... a large brainwashed crowd. She could have gone out and defecated on stage and they would still have been cheering themselves silly.

In terms of delivery of a pre-written, pre-approved script it wasn't half bad, but she might wanna work on that stone face of hers. She didn't give the impression of a strong, tough woman, but more that of an insecure librarian.

[obeygiant]

lies, personal attacks and no substance.

What were those personal attacks?

[Aranince]

Uh, yeah... a large brainwashed crowd.

I'd venture to say the Obama folk are more brainwashed then republicans

[gibbz]

Uh, yeah... a large brainwashed crowd. She could have gone out and defecated on stage and they would still have been cheering themselves silly.

Ha ha ha ha. I just fell off the couch. Hilarious, yet very true.

[obeygiant]

In terms of delivery of a pre-written, pre-approved script it wasn't half bad, but she might wanna work on that stone face of hers. She didn't give the impression of a strong, tough woman, but more that of an insecure librarian.

I disagree, I though she came across very confident and proud. Plus its not just the people on the convention floor, its also millions of people around the world. Even seasoned speakers' teeth chatter now and again.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I'd venture to say the Obama folk are more brainwashed then republicans

We're both going to get badly flamed for this but I'd say you're right. He has a very good campaign that has made him a celebrity and it has become hip to love Obama. Although I am a supporter I feel embarrassed the way some people act like he's Jesus the second coming.

[gibbz]

I'd venture to say the Obama folk are more brainwashed then republicans

The fact that you say this shows that the republicans are equally brainwashed. This is a direct result of the 2-party system. The core base of both parties do not really think for themselves, but rather listen to anything and anyone who is in their party simply because of that reason.

[Lord Blackadder]

She woo'ed me. Quite frankly and not because she's a woman.

She managed a good presence on stage, to be fair.

Either way, it's important that we remember that Palin's speech was written by the McCain campaign's best speech-writer. The real test for ALL the candidates will be the debates, when they need to think for themselves.

[Tilpots]

She woo'ed me. Quite frankly and not because she's a woman.

Then what was it? Not much material to woo with.

[Diatribe]

I'd venture to say the Obama folk are more brainwashed then republicans

Yeah, you don't have to be brainwashed at all when you think that the last 8 years where good policy and the US economy is doing well... :rolleyes:

[yg17]

She managed a good presence on stage, to be fair.

Either way, it's important that we remember that Palin's speech was written by the McCain campaign's best speech-writer. The real test for ALL the candidates will be the debates, when they need to think for themselves.

And the debates will be when Biden mops the floor with Palin

[obeygiant]

We're both going to get badly flamed for this but I'd say you're right. He has a very good campaign that has made him a celebrity and it has become hip to love Obama. Although I am a supporter I feel embarrassed the way some people act like he's Jesus the second coming.

Absolutely. I like Obama, but I do admit there is some kind of messiah aura around him.

[Lord Blackadder]

We're both going to get badly flamed for this but I'd say you're right.

Take it as a flame if you want, but you're both wrong, because nobody is being brainwashed on either side.

[Aranince]

Yeah, you don't have to be brainwashed at all when you think that the last 8 years where good policy and the US economy is doing well... :rolleyes:

Maby, but raising taxes isn't going to do much to help the economy either.

[NT1440]

And the debates will be when Biden mops the floor with Palin

and will probably be criticized for being too tough, sigh

at a debate too, where the talk actually matters

[Tilpots]

WW Russert D? It's time like these when I'd love to get his opinion.

[obeygiant]

Maby, but raising taxes isn't going to do much to help the economy either.

That actually was a sticking point for me however. Because isn't Obama's tax plan only raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year?

[Diatribe]

And the debates will be when Biden mops the floor with Palin

Obama and Biden are gonna smack them left and right in the debates. The only problem is that I don't think it will make that big of a difference. I mean if speaking ability were important to be president Bush wouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

[Lord Blackadder]

Absolutely. I like Obama, but I do admit there is some kind of messiah aura around him.

I think that's slightly unfair - if you see Obama's image as messianic, what about McCain's sacred status as a POW war hero? Both are exaggerations on their true characteristics. Obama is very charismatic, and McCain has an honorable record of military service.

Both sides exaggerate or downplay these characteristics as is convenient.

[yojitani]

The fact that you say this shows that the republicans are equally brainwashed. This is a direct result of the 2-party system. The core base of both parties do not really think for themselves, but rather listen to anything and anyone who is in their party simply because of that reason.

If there was a rep system, I would have repped for this. I was going to type something about big endians and little endians, but gave up (I'm busy dealing with my host's customer service:mad:).

[bobber205]

Obama and Biden are gonna smack them left and right in the debates. The only problem is that I don't think it will make that big of a difference. I mean if speaking ability were important to be president Bush wouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

That's true but Bush wasn't going up against amazing speakers. Kerry was average at best.

[Diatribe]

Maby, but raising taxes isn't going to do much to help the economy either.

Depends on who you raise the taxes for ;)

[miloblithe]

She even had an unscripted joke that was relatively funny.

What was the unscripted joke?

I'd say she did a pretty good job though--although the bar for her at this point is merely competence. I'd say she cleared it.

I'm still appalled by the fact that she's so willing to lie bald facedly about her record.

[gibbz]

Maby, but raising taxes isn't going to do much to help the economy either.

The fears about taxes are well overplayed. Clinton had tax criticisms and yet he managed to balance the budget. Republicans like to scare people about taxes, yet they overlook the out of control "no tax, but spend anyway" politics that they embrace. That is equally harmful to the economy.

[bobber205]

What was the unscripted joke?

I'd say she did a pretty good job though--although the bar for her at this point is merely competence. I'd say she cleared it.

I'm still appalled by the fact that she's so willing to lie bald facedly about her record.

Case in point: (sorry if this has been posted before)

http://infectedtube.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/palin-nowhere.jpg

[macdaddy121]

I think that's slightly unfair - if you see Obama's image as messianic, what about McCain's sacred status as a POW war hero? Both are exaggerations on their true characteristics. Obama is very charismatic, and McCain has an honorable record of military service.

Both sides exaggerate or downplay these characteristics as is convenient.

Can you show where they have exaggerate Mr. McCain's POW situation? Have they mentioned it a lot, sure. Has it been exaggerated, no.

I respect him for everything he did during his time of service to this country. Very few men or women would ever even think to do what he did!

[yg17]

That actually was a sticking point for me however. Because isn't Obama's tax plan only raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year?


Yes, anyone making under that will see a tax cut

[Lord Blackadder]

I'd say she did a pretty good job though--although the bar for her at this point is merely competence. I'd say she cleared it.

Some of the TV pundits are saying just that at this moment.

To be fair, there wasn't much else she could have done tonight. I think everyone knew that this was more or less an introduction - very little substance in the speech, nice poise, focus on delivery.

...the substance is yet to come.

[yg17]

Can you show where they have exaggerate Mr. McCain's POW situation? Have they mentioned it a lot, sure. Has it been exaggerated, no.

I respect him for everything he did during his time of service to this country. Very few men or women would ever even think to do what he did!


Everytime he says something stupid, they play the POW card. It's been said time and time again, it's the only thing he's running on.

And as I said previously in this thread....I don't even respect him for his service anymore. He's turned his POW status into a political tool, and I don't respect dirty, underhanded political tools.

[macdaddy121]

What was the unscripted joke?

I'd say she did a pretty good job though--although the bar for her at this point is merely competence. I'd say she cleared it.

I'm still appalled by the fact that she's so willing to lie bald facedly about her record.

Honestly, due to the little information I have on Palin could you please discuss how she "so willing to lie bald facedly about her record." Thanks.

[Aranince]

Yes, anyone making under that will see a tax cut

What about the 50% of my inheritance that will be taken from me and my grandfather?

Steal from the rich, give to the poor.

[Diatribe]

What was the unscripted joke?

I'd say she did a pretty good job though--although the bar for her at this point is merely competence. I'd say she cleared it.

I'm still appalled by the fact that she's so willing to lie bald facedly about her record.

There were quite a few hypocrisies in her speech. But I guess you say anything and the Republicans will still all cheer. I mean after all a 17 year-old girl being pregnant is a core family value right?

[obeygiant]

Absolutely. I like Obama, but I do admit there is some kind of messiah aura around him.

I think that's slightly unfair - if you see Obama's image as messianic, what about McCain's sacred status as a POW war hero? Both are exaggerations on their true characteristics. Obama is very charismatic, and McCain has an honorable record of military service.

Both sides exaggerate or downplay these characteristics as is convenient.

What you said is true about McCain. But my own perception detects a more "rock star" like status for Obama. McCain's POW background makes his base in terms of relevance for president. Like a cowboy wears a hat, sometimes it fits for a president to be a war hero. ALthough, with the size of crowds Obama attracts I think he has a draw thats not just linked to the issues.

[NT1440]

Can you show where they have exaggerate Mr. McCain's POW situation? Have they mentioned it a lot, sure. Has it been exaggerated, no.

I respect him for everything he did during his time of service to this country. Very few men or women would ever even think to do what he did!

flame me all you want for this, but its an honest question:

what exactly did he do and think of doing besides being shot down and being (tragically) tortured? And if thats it, then why exactly does that mean he has military experience or honor? Frankly youd think seeing the horrors of war hed be completely against it.

this is an honest question, i admit i dont know as much about his time in action as i should.

[gibbz]

Yes, anyone making under that will see a tax cut

This is exactly why those in power for the GOP are so against him. They will be the one's being hit by his tax initiatives. Don't be fooled into thinking McCain and other rich cronies really care about the working man's tax burden.

[macdaddy121]

Everytime he says something stupid, they play the POW card. It's been said time and time again, it's the only thing he's running on.

And as I said previously in this thread....I don't even respect him for his service anymore. He's turned his POW status into a political tool, and I don't respect dirty, underhanded political tools.

I don't agree with some of the times they have discussed his POW situation but to not respect him because he discusses it during debates, speeches, and conventions is stupid. The man has done more for this country that most will even pretend to do and because you are upset with him for letting everyone know about it you have no respect for what he did....:rolleyes: That's sad.

[Mike Teezie]

Sexism? I saw about ten shots of I WANT THE HOT VP buttons people were wearing.

[atszyman]

Honestly, due to the little information I have on Palin could you please discuss how she "so willing to lie bald facedly about her record." Thanks.

She talked of how she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere" but neglected to mention that she was initially for it before changing her mind.

She talks of how she cut spending as governor but fails to mention the town she was mayor of that was in the black when she started and ended up $22 million in debt when she left.

[NT1440]

What about the 50% of my inheritance that will be taken from me and my grandfather?

Steal from the rich, give to the poor.

werent u one of the ones saying why should people be handed money for no work? you have to earn it remember? like all those hardworkin' CEO's

[Aranince]

werent u one of the ones saying why should people be handed money for no work? you have to earn it remember? like all those hardworkin' CEO's

Anyone who works hard for the money, can do whatever they want with it. But the government shouldn't tax money to give lazy people the same privileges working people do.

[DakotaGuy]

Well she did a fine job of speaking a well written speech. I will give her that. I think she comes across better then someone like Dan Quayle did. However the real test will be in unscripted situations and how she handles those.

Last, her voice is ANNOYING! I have no idea what it is and maybe it is just my ears, but at times she just sounded shrill. If I had to listen to her speak everyday I would turn off the TV quickly. It's like the annoying loud mouthed soccer mom mixed with a hillbilly twang.

[Lord Blackadder]

Can you show where they have exaggerate Mr. McCain's POW situation? Have they mentioned it a lot, sure. Has it been exaggerated, no.

The exaggeration lies in focusing on it to the detriment of the issues. Nobody on either side has ever, not even once, described his service to this country anything less than honorable and above the call of duty.

We all know about his service, and I for one heartily thank him for it, regardless of anything that has happened or will happen in this campaign. But I want to hear more from him and Palin about governing this country. That matters more to me now and in November

Anyone who works hard for the money, can do whatever he wants with it.

Not all of it, if you believe in the concept of taxes. A necessary evil in a government this size.

But the government shouldn't tax money to give lazy people the same privileges working people do.

Who is lazy, and who has just gotten screwed in life?

[bobber205]

flame me all you want for this, but its an honest question:

what exactly did he do and think of doing besides being shot down and being (tragically) tortured? And if thats it, then why exactly does that mean he has military experience or honor? Frankly youd think seeing the horrors of war hed be completely against it.

this is an honest question, i admit i dont know as much about his time in action as i should.

Exactly. :D

I like what Jon Stewart just aid. ".. I guess then Guantanmao Bay is a Leadership Academy!"

[Mike Teezie]

She talked of how she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere" but neglected to mention that she was initially for it before changing her mind.

She talks of how she cut spending as governor but fails to mention the town she was mayor of that was in the black when she started and ended up $22 million in debt when she left.

The way I understand the Bridge to nowhere issue, she was pushing hard for it, so long as Congress paid for it. When that bill was shot to hell, she got way less interested when it was going to have to be Alaskan tax payers that footed the bill.

She proudly says she fought the bill, which is just a bold faced lie.

[macdaddy121]

flame me all you want for this, but its an honest question:

what exactly did he do and think of doing besides being shot down and being (tragically) tortured? And if thats it, then why exactly does that mean he has military experience or honor? Frankly youd think seeing the horrors of war hed be completely against it.

this is an honest question, i admit i dont know as much about his time in action as i should.

I suggest you go read more about his time as a serviceman and POW before posting something so asinine.

[obeygiant]

werent u one of the ones saying why should people be handed money for no work? you have to earn it remember? like all those hardworkin' CEO's

Inheriting family wealth is different than taxing windfall profits or CEO's receiving millions on their dismissal while the companies work forces gets canned.

[Aranince]

She talks of how she cut spending as governor but fails to mention the town she was mayor of that was in the black when she started and ended up $22 million in debt when she left.

I never herd that before. I herd she completely turned the town around economically in a good way.

[ProwlingTiger]

So far, so good. Republican candidates are showing that they have good experience. Palin did good as a speaker. Debates will of course bring out the true presentation qualities of her and Biden. We already have an idea of Obama and McCain. Without scripwriters, Obama stumbled more than my drunk uncle Froidy on 4/20. McCain can think quick, and that will be a good strength for him.

[stevento]

What I learned from the RNC is that Sarah Palin is no wimp, she's an attack dog.

[bobber205]

Anyone who works hard for the money, can do whatever they want with it. But the government shouldn't tax money to give lazy people the same privileges working people do.

Lol. This post was just edited xD Everything I click quote into a new tab it comes up different. Oh well.

Anyway... what if your grandfather was going to give the money to some random stranger? Would you feel the same?

[Anuba]

I'd venture to say the Obama folk are more brainwashed then republicans
Personally I would have preferred Clinton over Obama, so I didn't fall for this Messiah effect you all speak of. Furthermore I have no stake in this as I live on the other side of the pond (Scandinavia), I'm just a remote observer.

But I will say that when I watched the Democratic convention I thought to myself -- yeah, these folks are OK. I could live with this. The crowd certainly didn't strike me as brainwashed sheep. They sort of resemble Europeans if you squint a little. I'm hearing words that make sense and it all feels relatively modern (on an American scale).

When I watch the RNC, however, I mostly see the kind of Americans that make the U.S. look bad, the kind that dragged the country's reputation down in the mud, the whole gallery of stereotypes that the rest of the world makes fun of. Freaks, kooks and hicks with 80's hairdos and botched facelifts. A bad trip back in time. As the event was in Minnesota where a lot of, uh, Swedish-Americans (is that even a term?) live, I thought I might feel 'at home' on some subconscious level, but no... I saw nothing but weird alien life forms.

I hope for the sake of global well being that these anachronistic extra-terrestrials don't win, it would be unfortunate to have another 4 years of frosty relations between the U.S. and, well, everything else.

[gibbz]

I don't agree with some of the times they have discussed his POW situation but to not respect him because he discusses it during debates, speeches, and conventions is stupid. The man has done more for this country that most will even pretend to do and because you are upset with him for letting everyone know about it you have no respect for what he did....:rolleyes: That's sad.

Certainly his service is greatly appreciated. At the same time, to politicize it for one's personal gain is equally "sad". If it is appropriate to mention, then by all means. However, this campaign, as evident tonight, is all too happy to gloss over topics in favor of interjecting his war record. I am sorry, his service means nothing when it comes to his economic policies and such.

[Diatribe]

Without scripwriters, Obama stumbled more than my drunk uncle Froidy on 4/20. McCain can think quick, and that will be a good strength for him.

Yeah, McCain will run circles around Obama... :rolleyes:

[yg17]

I don't agree with some of the times they have discussed his POW situation but to not respect him because he discusses it during debates, speeches, and conventions is stupid. The man has done more for this country that most will even pretend to do and because you are upset with him for letting everyone know about it you have no respect for what he did....:rolleyes: That's sad.


Uh, no. He's using it as an excuse for every gaffe he's made. McCain didn't know how many houses he's owned. But he's a POW! McCain possibly cheated at the Saddleback forum. But he's a POW! He's using his POW status as a "get out of gaffe free" card. This can't excuse him from gaffes, and if god forbid he becomes president and drops a nuke on the wrong country, he can't just say "But I was a POW!" and be done with it. He's disrespecting his own service by politicizing it (especially after he criticized John Kerry for doing it in 2004)

[NT1440]

I suggest you go read more about his time as a serviceman and POW before posting something so asinine.

so its asinine to ask an honest question and hope to become better educated on a subject?

what an educated country we are:rolleyes:

[bobber205]

So far, so good. Republican candidates are showing that they have good experience. Palin did good as a speaker. Debates will of course bring out the true presentation qualities of her and Biden. We already have an idea of Obama and McCain. Without scripwriters, Obama stumbled more than my drunk uncle Froidy on 4/20. McCain can think quick, and that will be a good strength for him.

I guess you didn't know Obama writes his own speeches? xD

Yeah it sucks when a politician pauses for what he says and doesn't just spit out talking points he received that morning.

[yg17]

What I learned from the RNC is that Sarah Palin is no wimp, she's an attack dog.


And a ********* despicable liar

[Mike Teezie]

I never herd that before. I herd she completely turned the town around economically in a good way.

Here's a link:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12987.html

Scroll down towards the bottom.

[Aranince]

When I watch the RNC, however, I mostly see the kind of Americans that make the U.S. look bad, the kind that dragged the country's reputation down in the mud, the whole gallery of stereotypes that the rest of the world makes fun of. Freaks, kooks and hicks with 80's hairdos and botched facelifts. A bad trip back in time. I hope for the sake of global well being that these anachronistic extra-terrestrials don't win, it would be unfortunate to have another 4 years of frosty relations between the U.S. and, well, everything else.

So instead of voting for whats right, we need to vote for someone that the world will accept? Sounds like peer pressure to me.

[macdaddy121]

The exaggeration lies in focusing on it to the detriment of the issues. Nobody on either side has ever, not even once, described his service to this country anything less than honorable and above the call of duty.

We all know about his service, and I for one heartily thank him for it, regardless of anything that has happened or will happen in this campaign. But I want to hear more from him and Palin about governing this country. That matters more to me now and in November



Not all of it, if you believe in the concept of taxes. A necessary evil in a government this size.



Who is lazy, and who has just gotten screwed in life?

Are you trying to say that the Dems have had better discussings about governing this country?

[obeygiant]

so its asinine to ask an honest question and hope to become better educated on a subject?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

Have a good read. :)

[macdaddy121]

And a ********* despicable liar

Please continue. How so?

[ProwlingTiger]

Scripts aren't always going to be there, nor will the time to prepare one be there. McCain has experience too, which is good, contrary to Obama. And I thought this was a RNC discussion thread, not a general election 08 thread....but oh well.

[Lord Blackadder]

Are you trying to say that the Dems have had better discussings about governing this country?

Nope.

[atszyman]

I never herd that before. I herd she completely turned the town around economically in a good way.

Here's the take on her mayorship from a Wasilla resident (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/an-wasillan-on.html).

[NT1440]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

Have a good read. :)

i was hoping someone would provide me with a more credible source than wiki, if anyone knows a good as-unbiased-as-you-can-get link id love to take a look so i can form my own opinion of the cold hard facts.

thanks for the effort tho

[Diatribe]

Please continue. How so?

Half the points about Obama were twisted truths not to mention the points about her experience. A lot has already been brought up, I am sure more will follow.

[macdaddy121]

Certainly his service is greatly appreciated. At the same time, to politicize it for one's personal gain is equally "sad". If it is appropriate to mention, then by all means. However, this campaign, as evident tonight, is all too happy to gloss over topics in favor of interjecting his war record. I am sorry, his service means nothing when it comes to his economic policies and such.

His service shows his commitment and leadership ability for the USA. His service shows his work ethic and servitude.....all things that the Obama campaign are trying to discuss and bring up with his status as a lawyer in the mean streets of Chicago.

Please try and see both sides of the fence. And I would love to hear about Obama's economic policies....you know the ones that are actually feasible and not the ones that trick people into believing they will receive a hand out for doing nothing.

[bobber205]

Are you trying to say that the Dems have had better discussings about governing this country?

Yes of course. McCain promises little if anything different than the policies of Bush. Are you implying Bush has been a good president? :eek:

[macdaddy121]

Nope.

Just wanted to clarify. I believe the Republicans have discussed at much greater length their ability to govern this country in comparison to the Democrats.

[synth3tik]

So instead of voting for whats right, we need to vote for someone that the world will accept? Sounds like peer pressure to me.

From what I see our bad chooses make us look bad. Re-electing someone who wanted to fight one battle while starting another one is just stupid, someone who gives tax breaks to companies the our source is stupid.

And yes I lost my job today due to out sourcing, so I am a little ticked that the current admin, looking at McCain, not much will change in that regard. He may be better at the bipartisanship then bush, but then anyone would.....

[obeygiant]

i was hoping someone would provide me with a more credible source than wiki, if anyone knows a good as-unbiased-as-you-can-get link id love to take a look so i can form my own opinion of the cold hard facts.

thanks for the effort tho

Well its a good place to start. There's 271 references there to check it. Its basically a timeline of his life, not a campaign slogan.

[bobber205]

Just wanted to clarify. I believe the Republicans have discussed at much greater length their ability to govern this country in comparison to the Democrats.

I hope my length you don't mean time. ;)

Yeah. The republicans have done an AMAZING job the past 8 years. What not give them ANOTHER chance! Good idea!

[Lord Blackadder]

Just wanted to clarify. I believe the Republicans have discussed at much greater length their ability to govern this country in comparison to the Democrats.

I disagree. I think both parties have spent a lot of time on their platforms, and neither one could be seen as negligent in that regard. I only hope it stays that way, and they avoid the negative campaigns we saw in the the last couple elections.

[macdaddy121]

Yes of course. McCain promises little if anything different than the policies of Bush. Are you implying Bush has been a good president? :eek:

This is taking something entirely out of context and putting words in my mouth if I have ever seen it!!!

I asked if the Dem's were discussing governing this country more than the Republican's...The correct answer is No.

I think if you view the McCain policies with the Bush policies you will see a lot of difference. Sure some things are the same but a lot of views related to economy, healthcare, energy, etc are different.

[Anuba]

So instead of voting for whats right, we need to vote for someone that the world will accept? Sounds like peer pressure to me.
Nah, that would imply that you see other nationalities as peers, and in my understanding this would go 180 degrees against the Republican world view, which appears to revolve mostly around waving flags and giving the rest of the world the finger.

In case you've missed it, healthy relations with the rest of the world are extremely beneficial to Americans and their economy. Patriotism, isolationism, policing the world and that whole package just alienates the rest of the world, which takes its toll on the US, not the least financially. Just compare the economy under Clinton with the economy under Bush Jr. and you'll get the hang of it.

[macdaddy121]

I disagree. I think both parties have spent a lot of time on their platforms, and neither one could be seen as negligent in that regard. I only hope it stays that way, and they avoid the negative campaigns we saw in the the last couple elections.

I agree that I don't like the negative campaigns either....but I think the Republicans have constantly discussed the leadership they posses and the Democrats lack. The Democrats have tried to put Obama's 143 days of experience on the back burner...

[miloblithe]

Honestly, due to the little information I have on Palin could you please discuss how she "so willing to lie bald facedly about her record." Thanks.

Well, one example is the repetition of how she opposed the bridge to nowhere and told congress that if Alaska wanted a bridge, they'd build it themselves. This is simply not true. She was for the bridge, but once it was clear that congress was no longer going to fund it, she accepted that decision. In this case, she did not demonstrate any particular leadership, but was in fact merely following along with other's decisions.

As for exaggerating McCain's POW experiences, Thompson yesterday said:

John was beaten for communicating with other prisoners. He was beating -- beaten for NOT communicating with so-called peace delegations. He was beaten for not giving information during interrogation.

When his captors wanted the names of other pilots in the squadron, John gave them the name of the offensive line of the Green Bay Packers. (Laughter, applause.)

Whenever John was returned to his cell -- walking if he could, dragged if he couldn't -- as he passed his other fellow POWs, he would often call out to them.

He'd smile and give 'em a thumbs-up.

For five-and-a-half years this went on. John McCain's bones may have been broken, but his spirit never was.

It didn't really go on for 5.5 years. This kind of torture apparently lasted for one year, at most. McCain's treatment improved after the first two years of brutal torture ( Rochester and Kiley, Honor Bound, 489–491.)

Also, his spirit was probably broken, as evidenced by a suicide attempt and signing a "confession.":

In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.[42] He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[31][42] Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, which was stopped by guards.[31] After four days, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession".[31] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he would later write, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[43][44]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_mccain#Prisoner_of_war

Mind you, I don't discredit him for one second for that. I probably wouldn't have lasted 4 minutes and he lasted through 4 days of brutal torture. Obviously a confession under such circumstances is meaningless. And as for trying to commit suicide, how could anyone blame him for that either? As we all know McCain was extremely honorable in his actions as a POW. But, the story is exaggerated, as you can see.

[yojitani]

Anyone who works hard for the money, can do whatever they want with it. But the government shouldn't tax money to give lazy people the same privileges working people do.

Yeah, like all those lazy parents working 3 jobs on minimum wage - they can spend it all on childcare...:rolleyes:

How do you propose vetting these 'lazy people'? Presumably by starving the educational system in certain areas...? Makes it easy, eh?

As someone who does volunteer work with unemployed people and children of unemployed families, I find the implication that people who 'don't work' or don't make enough are somehow lazy or to blame to be deeply troubling. It is simply not true. And in fact the rhetoric itself is deceptive. The economy would not function without a certain percentage of poverty and low-wage workers. These right-wing pipe dreams about everyone working hard and finding their way through childcare, healthcare, education, etc are simply destructive to human dignity.

[Aranince]

McCain is more liberal than Bush, so the equality is not there.

[bobber205]

This is taking something entirely out of context and putting words in my mouth if I have ever seen it!!!

I asked if the Dem's were discussing governing this country more than the Republican's...The correct answer is No.

I think if you view the McCain policies with the Bush policies you will see a lot of difference. Sure some things are the same but a lot of views related to economy, healthcare, energy, etc are different.

Oh man I don't believe it. By length you actually meant time! :eek:
That's why I had the ;)... wow...

So if obama takes let's say 2 hours to explain his ideas and the republicans take days repeating theirs over and over that makes theirs better?

The RNC so far has been: POW, obama has no executive (lol) experience. (Just to note, that would mccain is equally unfit), and taxes! Scary taxes might go up. Yeah. Just for most of the people AT the RNC.

[macdaddy121]

I hope my length you don't mean time. ;)

Yeah. The republicans have done an AMAZING job the past 8 years. What not give them ANOTHER chance! Good idea!

Your constant assumptions that the McCain presidency will be more of the same is absurd. You hear McCain and Palin discussing the change and reform that is needed and demanded in Washington. None of this sounds like more of the same to me.

I could see how you could say that because of the (R) next to their names but you would be wrong. You are wrong for the very same reasons as the Republicans saying McCain isn't conservative enough. The man does what he thinks is right and sometimes it is reaching across party lines to get the "right" thing done rather than the Republican thing done.

[Aranince]

Yeah, like all those lazy parents working 3 jobs on minimum wage - they can spend it all on childcare...:rolleyes:

Why don't they get a job that's not minimum wage?

[yg17]

Your constant assumptions that the McCain presidency will be more of the same is absurd. You hear McCain and Palin discussing the change and reform that is needed and demanded in Washington. None of this sounds like more of the same to me.

I could see how you could say that because of the (R) next to their names but you would be wrong. You are wrong for the very same reasons as the Republicans saying McCain isn't conservative enough. The man does what he thinks is right and sometimes it is reaching across party lines to get the "right" thing done rather than the Republican thing done.

McCain voted with Bush over 90% of the time. It is going to be more of the same ****. They're not going to change a damn thing.

[Diatribe]

I think if you view the McCain policies with the Bush policies you will see a lot of difference. Sure some things are the same but a lot of views related to economy, healthcare, energy, etc are different.

Yeah, I guess 10% difference in voting on issues is really a big difference in policy... :rolleyes:

[bobber205]

Your constant assumptions that the McCain presidency will be more of the same is absurd. You hear McCain and Palin discussing the change and reform that is needed and demanded in Washington. None of this sounds like more of the same to me.

I could see how you could say that because of the (R) next to their names but you would be wrong. You are wrong for the very same reasons as the Republicans saying McCain isn't conservative enough. The man does what he thinks is right and sometimes it is reaching across party lines to get the "right" thing done rather than the Republican thing done.

Does voting with bush 95% of the time mean anything?

And what exactly does McCain propose that is different from Bush?
Lol two people were typing the same thing as me...