iPod Pricing and Future?

[MacRumors]

Appleinsider reports (http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=342) on some vague rumors of future iPod pricing and iPod distribution deals.

According to the rumor site, Apple is planning on reducing the pricing of the iPod Mini by $50 "as soon as humanly possible". The iPod Mini is currently priced at $249, which is in-line with in line with Rio's recently announced Nitrus 4GB player (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040106/sftu015_1.html) which retails at the same price.

Appleinsider also hints at further partnerships down the line with other companies beyond HP but offers no specifics.

[idkew]

i see this happening, but not "as soon as humanly possible"


it is inevitable that the current 4gb model will drop in price, but my guess is that it will happen after there is a 6 or 8gb version released.

also- if this miniPod is good in high vibration environments, i can easily see Nike getting a branded version going... They did it with Rio, why not Apple?

[ITR 81]

This is just a gimme because everything goes down in price over time.
Unless it happens next month I wouldn't expect a price drop until a new iPod mini is released or it's 5 months old.

[Fuchal]

I think $249 is just a price for early adopters... after everyone who would buy one for $249 buys one, the pricew ill come down to where most peopelw ill buy it. It DOES need to come down.

[johnnyjibbs]

The iPod mini seems like a good price compared with other players but not when you compare to the iPod! Bumping the low end normal iPod to 15 gigs didn't help this either!

Still, I would expect it to be $249 for the people who absolutely MUST be the first to get one, then for it to go down just a matter of weeks later.

I wonder what the damage will be when it goes on sale in the UK?

I'm going to the States for a geology fieldtrip at Easter - with the current exchange rate, everything in the US is very cheap so maybe I might bag one of these mini iPods. They will have only just come out in Britain by then anyway.

[ervinocus]

IMHO the iPod Mini is the future, in the sense that it is the form factor Apple will adopt as the *only* one for its new generation of iPod as soon as the smaller HD it uses will carry enough data to permit a fasing out of the "old" ff iPods.

In this logic it makes totally sense the licence given to HP to "produce" the "hPod": it will even more help Apple to show to customers how they still have "the edge"... :D

But Apple should at least have used the same docking station for the two models. Sometime they are REALLY cheapo in sucking the money off their loyal fan base... :(

[coumerelli]

Originally posted by ervinocus
But Apple should at least have used the same docking station for the two models. Sometime they are REALLY cheapo in sucking the money off their loyal fan base... :(

same docking station? do you mean iPod vs. mini? or iPod vs HPiPod?

[ervinocus]

Originally posted by coumerelli
same docking station? do you mean iPod vs. mini? or iPod vs HPiPod?

I mean the Mini vs the iPod "classical" (and so the hPod, I presume...). I'm really curious to hear a valid techical justification for the bases double standard...

[macFanDave]

The law of supply and demand is not indicating that prices will be dropping anytime soon.

The iPod is phenomenally popular and the iPod Mini and the HP-branded iPod are just getting out of the gate. I'd be hard-pressed to see any reason for Apple to lower the price (they could probably even get away with RAISING prices).

I'm listening to the Apple Financial Conference and I believe that I heard that iPods make a 20% margin while overall they operate at a 26-27% margin. I'm sure we'd all like to see cheaper iPods, but I don't see any real reason for that to happen.

[Nebrie]

Originally posted by macFanDave
The law of supply and demand is not indicating that prices will be dropping anytime soon.

The iPod is phenomenally popular and the iPod Mini and the HP-branded iPod are just getting out of the gate. I'd be hard-pressed to see any reason for Apple to lower the price (they could probably even get away with RAISING prices).

I'm listening to the Apple Financial Conference and I believe that I heard that iPods make a 20% margin while overall they operate at a 26-27% margin. I'm sure we'd all like to see cheaper iPods, but I don't see any real reason for that to happen.

It appears that the HP deal and the Mini will actually shrink the margins even more.

[rdowns]

Might be time for a Page 4, Arn. Rumors of a 20% price drop before the product even ships. Give me a break.

[lactocrit]

To me, I think a price drop will come, but probably some time before it reacher 200. To get the remote&dock Mini costs $330. My guess is 229 without the stuff and 269 with remote&dock if they don't release Minis with different capacity.
In June, definitely after Minis ship internationally.

[Chip NoVaMac]

I am hoping that with the 15gb iPod that we see in the next month or so a 30gb replacing the 20gb, and a 60gb replacing the 40gb at the same price points.

I really want an iPod, but would be happier getting either a 30gb or 60gb at the same price points as the 20gb and 40gb.

[Sabbath]

I think this is much the same as the quote of wanting a $100 iPod in the last financial presentation.

Of course Apple want to hit these price sweet spots, but luckily for us they realise they must first ship the right product or lose their well earned reputation. I think the reason Apple is so aggressive in the music is due to the competing standards, they cant afford to be marginalised by all the wma proponents. Hence while the iPod is the thing of the moment they have to keep developing it and make the most of it. For once Apple is backing up their "innovation" ( I use to term to describe being earlier into the market than most, I realise they didnt design the portable hard drive music player but they did make it desirable) with big money and business sence.

GO Apple

[revenuee]

Originally posted by ervinocus
I mean the Mini vs the iPod "classical" (and so the hPod, I presume...). I'm really curious to hear a valid techical justification for the bases double standard...

i'm pretty sure that the docking port is the same ... just that the dock for the Mini is smaller to suite the mini ... but i'm pretty sure you use the classic dock with the mini

can't see the mini dock working for the classic iPod simply because the unit is too pick to fit in, not the ports wouldn't work, But the cabling is the same just you can just use it without the dock, but the same cable

[TranceClubMusic]

I feel that 249 is just too expesive when compared to 299 for a 15 gig - Just doesnt add up. I feel that a $50.00 mail in rebate will be appropriate.

[boros]

Firstly, the 'Mini' is positioned - as the name would imply - by form-factor. In the same way that many people buy mini-laptops vs desktop replacements there will be many who want the small size. Often, people will pay a hefty premium for smaller laptops with supstantially less power. I, for one, would like to have both a mini and a 40. People

Secondly, given THEY WILL HAVE SUPPLY PROBLEMS, why leave money on the table? Seriously, if their margins are already slim and they won't be able to produce enough to meet demand (This IS Apple we're talking about here), why the Hell would they lower the price? Heck, if I was the VP of PM over there, I would've seriously considered pricing the things at $299 out the gate and lowering to $249 and below, once I was comfortable that we ould meet demand. Market share is important, but if your can only produce X units, I'd rather make $50 a piece on them than $5. So, I wouldn't be surprised if "Humany Possible" means they can actually meet demand... then it's time to worry abouyt Market Share and Volume.... Today it's about bottom line, not loss leaders.

[Quixcube]

I think that the mini--in addition to being the smallest iPod--will soon be the only mono Apple branded iPod. It makes sense to release a smaller format (the mini) of the "traditional" iPod feature set before upgrading the full-sized iPod to a color unit with a larger display and new features.

I also think that when the full-sized iPod is revamped, the price will go up, setting it further away from the mini in that respect too. HP will still sell the mono full-sized units, and probably at a price similar to the mini.

This strategy will keep Apple looking savy and technically superior on its Apple branded equipment, while HP expands the iPod user base.

[kenaustus]

I think Apple has priced the mini where they have to because of component costs - especially the hard drive. When they can push these costs down through volume and vendor competition they will also be pushing the retail price down.

As for now, when you actually hold a mini in your hand I think you are going to want one - *really* want one. The design and "feel" in your hand will sell a lot of minis - especially for those comfortable with "only" 1,000 songs. It's a winner and $50 isn't gong to stand in the way of success.

[winmacguy]

Originally posted by Fuchal
I think $249 is just a price for early adopters... after everyone who would buy one for $249 buys one, the pricew ill come down to where most peopelw ill buy it. It DOES need to come down.

Having just seen the price and capacity and name of the new Sony MD I dont think Apple has to much to worry about regarding the price of the mini iPod at this stage

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by ervinocus
IMHO the iPod Mini is the future, in the sense that it is the form factor Apple will adopt as the *only* one for its new generation of iPod as soon as the smaller HD it uses will carry enough data to permit a fasing out of the "old" ff iPods.



Where did you get that idea? The larger form factor will ALWAYS be able to handle higher data densities on their hard drives and consequently will be able to store more data then the iPod minis. To be quite honest I'm expecting to see a rash of failed drives on these iPod minis within the first 6 months of release. IMHO, the size of the drive and data density makes these things very iffy in that it takes much less movement to crash a head on these drives.
These microdrives aren't all that reliable keep in mind that this tech is only 3 years of age starting off with a 340MB drive.

[ervinocus]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Where did you get that idea? The larger form factor will ALWAYS be able to handle higher data densities on their hard drives and consequently will be able to store more data then the iPod minis. To be quite honest I'm expecting to see a rash of failed drives on these iPod minis within the first 6 months of release. IMHO, the size of the drive and data density makes these things very iffy in that it takes much less movement to crash a head on these drives.
These microdrives aren't all that reliable keep in mind that this tech is only 3 years of age starting off with a 340MB drive.

Well, AAMOF I got it from my own sick brain... :D

Anyway, only the time will confirm or refute my genial intuition.

In the mean time... do you want to bid? ;)

[rdowns]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I feel that 249 is just too expesive when compared to 299 for a 15 gig - Just doesnt add up. I feel that a $50.00 mail in rebate will be appropriate.

The only problem with this analogy is that it is not competing with the 15GB iPod. It is being marketed to compete with slightly less expensive flash players and as a smaller, even more portable device.

[mkrishnan]

Originally posted by ervinocus
Well, AAMOF I got it from my own sick brain... :D

Anyway, only the time will confirm or refute my genial intuition.

In the mean time... do you want to bid? ;)

Hmmm...the technology is about 3 years old and has gone from ~300 MB to ~4 gigs (or doubled about four times). So if the rate continues, we're looking at approximately early Summer 2005 for Mini iPods to be technologically feasible at the ~15-20 GB low end of the iPod.... Wonder if Moore's law will hold for this? :)

(My iTunes collection is at 11.4 GB now, so.... :))

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by ervinocus
Well, AAMOF I got it from my own sick brain... :D

Anyway, only the time will confirm or refute my genial intuition.

In the mean time... do you want to bid? ;)

Nope because that would be betting against Apple. LAST thing I want to see is Apple getting a black eye from failed HD's on these things. Here's hoping that the tech has matured enough to handle the bumps and nudges of everyday life. :)

[Rod Rod]

Originally posted by ervinocus
In this logic it makes totally sense the licence given to HP to "produce" the "hPod": it will even more help Apple to show to customers how they still have "the edge"... :D


HP has no such "license" to "produce" the HP-branded blue iPod. Apple is rebranding the digital music player for HP. so, that "logic" does not hold up.

[ervinocus]

Originally posted by Rod Rod
HP has no such "license" to "produce" the HP-branded blue iPod. Apple is rebranding the digital music player for HP. so, that "logic" does not hold up.

I putted the word "produce" in inverted commas on purpose. Say "distribute and re-brand Apple-produced iPod" if you prefer, the point does not change.

My guess is that the "classical" form-factor iPod will be fased out in a couple of years max as an Apple direct product, and leaved to be distributed only by licensee as HP. In the mean time in the Apple-branded machines the old form-factor will be progressively substituted in the high-end product segment by a video-iPod model, and in the low end segment by mini-iPod form-factor machines, that will eventually become the only family of machines for the next 1 or 2 generations of Apple-branded MP3 players.

Obviously this is only a proverbial "two cents opinion", but if/when this will happen please remeber that you first heard it from me... :D ;)

[Dahl]

I saw an ad in L.A. Times on 1/16 for cheap iPod's. It wasn't a small ad, so it seemed legit.

iPod mini for $199 for the first 200 orders.
iPod 15 gb. $239
iPod 20 gb. $339
iPod 40 gb. $439

They didn't list a site. :confused:
Only this phone #:
1-866-296-9047

Call at your own risk.

[Beck446]

Anyone think the iPod mini accessories will be colored to match? At least the earphones maybe?

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I feel that 249 is just too expesive when compared to 299 for a 15 gig - Just doesnt add up. I feel that a $50.00 mail in rebate will be appropriate.

Yes, but they aren't releasing the minis to compete with the larger iPods - they're releasing them to compete with the higher-end flash player market - completely differnet target and market segment. There's more to consider than just the cost. For many people, cost is not the driving factor, and they do not care if they can get the 15 GB for $50 more.

I'm hoping for further iPod updates around April or May - price cuts to the minis and possibly some updates to the main iPods as well, either in the form of slight price reductions as well, new features, or larger capacities for the same price.

[Photorun]

Overall fact remains:

1. When Jobs mentioned the price on the mini you could have heard a pin drop in the convention center, if you listen carefully you hear someone front row say "huh" then a "tssk" sound.
2. By overwhelming majority almost nobody seems to like the price of the iPod, IF Apple listened to it's consumer base (rarely does, save a few instances) they'd please a huge audience AND sell these things like hotcakes at $199.
3. Only the most frothy Jobs follower Mac zany Koolaid drinker defends the $249, these same people would defend s*** tasting like ice cream if Jobs said it was like vanilla and put an Apple logo on it.
4. I heard from a couple sources the mark-up on the current iPod ranges from upper twenty percent low end to almost fifty percent high end.
5. If, for argument's sake, Apple's mark-up on the current iPod is, say, 30 percent, lowering the price to $199 without finding a way to make them cheaper would make a mightly slim profit margin, a profit margin to be sure, but slim. Apple ain't about slim profit margin, even in the face of that helping get more people buying Macs, they simply do not care, they care about profits, like it or not (that and innovating for the entire industry). That's why they are billions in the black while all but a few others are in the red or barely hanging on.

What I'm trying to say is YES Apple would be smart to lower the price to $199 but NO knowing Apple and their history of stuff there's no way in heck they will for a very long time to come, EVEN if they don't sell (which initially they will do okay).

[revenuee]

Originally posted by Photorun
Overall fact remains:

1. When Jobs mentioned the price on the mini you could have heard a pin drop in the convention center, if you listen carefully you hear someone front row say "huh" then a "tssk" sound.

I remember when that when i watched the keynote

[sfhc21]

Have you guys seen the Phillips hdd060 mp3 player? The gadget (black version) is very nice looking - first player that I've seen that looks better than the iPod.

Its small with a 1.5gb harddrive - and priced at $199...

Apple better get on board and drop the price of the mini very quickly.

[sfhc21]

Here is a pic...

[FlamDrag]

I won't address your opinion that it's better looking than the iPod other than to say, I disagree.

But if this 1.5 GB player is $199, then why should Apple price their 4GB any lower?

I want the mini priced lower as much as the next guy, but your thought process is quite faulty.

If anything, this is more justification for the $250 price point.

While it's higher than we all want, it's becoming clear that at this point, few - if any - companies can produce a similar product at a lower price.

[Dahl]

I agree.

Philips is notorious for designing bad looking products. This looks better, but it's still no iPod.

[sfhc21]

All you white people only liking anything that is white...

My reasoning is that if Apple is trying to target the high-end flash market, then the actual size of the hard drive doesn't matter too much....Any hard drive will work better than a 256 meg flash card.

Most of us were expecting Apple to release the iPod mini with only a 1 or 2 gb hard-drive anyways. Phillips is doing what Apple should have done - keeping the price below $200...

[FlamDrag]

No, for me it's a matter of shiny plastic that I don't really care for. It appears that it's made of shiny black plastic which looks cheap to me. Granted, it's only one image, but based on all the evidence I have, I disagree. You're free to like any products you like, but don't assume that I'm one of the "Apple can do no wrong - everyone else can do no right" crowd.

When I see iPods, they look well-made. That what attracts me to them.

I don't disagree with your comment about the target market. It wasn't in your first post however.

[sfhc21]

Agreed. I think Apple needs to make a black iPod though...

[Chip NoVaMac]

I turn to those that have better knowledge how Apple works. Given that they have a NEW 15GB iPod, how soon do you think that a 40GB and 60GB iPod is possible?

[mkrishnan]

Originally posted by sfhc21
Here is a pic...

Hmmm... I think it's elegant. It looks like it has a pretty hi-res screen too, if that screenshot is real. But I'm also sticking iPod. ;)

As for the case, if it's a soft shiny plastic, it will probably look ugly soon after purchase. But there have been some cell phones that pulled off this kind of look with success.

[kf4wvk]

Originally posted by Chip NoVaMac
I am hoping that with the 15gb iPod that we see in the next month or so a 30gb replacing the 20gb, and a 60gb replacing the 40gb at the same price points.


Now this, I like. Last night I was trying to figure out the value of a 20GB for $399 vs. the 15GB for $299, but then I noticed the remote and dock don't come with the 15GB.

Question is, when will Apple Gig-bump the top two iPods???

[mkrishnan]

Originally posted by kf4wvk
Now this, I like. Last night I was trying to figure out the value of a 20GB for $399 vs. the 15GB for $299, but then I noticed the remote and dock don't come with the 15GB.

Question is, when will Apple Gig-bump the top two iPods???

I know what you mean. I just got a 15 gig b/c of the bump from 10 to 15 (I have about 11.5 GB of music). Since I have an iBook, I don't think I'm going to miss the dock too much, but I am wondering how much I will start wanting a remote.

But then again, I can just look forward to what I'll be able to upgrade to in two years. ;)

[~Shard~]

I'll just be waiting a couple more months until the next iPod updates - whether it's same price/larger capacities, or something entriely new for the iPods, I'm waiting to see the next big update and then I'll buy. :cool:

[Borg3of5]

I would buy a minIpod if:

1. It cost $199 or lower,
2. It had a 6 GB capacity,
3. It had an FM/AM tuner built-in.

OR

I would buy a regular Ipod if:

1. 20 GB model < $300
2. Had an FM/AM tuner built-in.

No IF's, AND's, or BUT's.

Why will Apple NOT put AT LEAST an FM tuner built-in to the iPod is beyond me. I hope the 4G iPod will have one. The small size of the miniPod is neat, but it HAS to have an FM/AM tuner. Apple make my wishes come true!

[encro]

All this $200 iPod mini stuff was invented by the rumor sites. Quit complaining, its currently not a reality.

P.S. I don't know how much it would cost Apple to build.

[sushi]

Originally posted by Borg3of5
I would buy a minIpod if:

1. It cost $199 or lower,
2. It had a 6 GB capacity,
3. It had an FM/AM tuner built-in.

And if Apple offered a 6GB one with AM/FM tuner built-in, for $199, you would be asking for a 10GB w/AM/FM for $150.

You will never be satisfied -- always wanting more for less. However, there comes a time when one must purchase a device or forever be waiting.

I for one will be enjoying my mini iPod when I can get one here in Japan.

Apple is very competitive with their new mini iPod offering. And it will sell very well, iMHO.

...Enjoy your wait! ;-)

Sushi

[mkrishnan]

Originally posted by sushi
You will never be satisfied -- always wanting more for less. However, there comes a time when one must purchase a device or forever be waiting.


I'm personally beginning to implement my new philosophy of buying things when I'm almost sure that their replacements are going to be announced within a week, so that I can feel maximally cheated and have a lot to vent about. :D

[maclamb]

This article in the Register seems to suggest it:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/35087.html

And they hint No New 20th Annivesary Mac - the celebration of 20 years was released at MWSF - the miniPod

interesting....to look back and remenis on when Apple was known for computers!

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by maclamb

And they hint No New 20th Annivesary Mac - the celebration of 20 years was released at MWSF - the miniPod


Hmm, I suppose there could be some truth to that statement. After all, Apple re-did the original 1984 Apple add, and added in the iPod to the runner. Perhaps that was indeed to mark the 20th anniversary, and to celebrate it Apple released the mini iPod. Hmm, interesting theory....

I'd still like to think we'll see something else though in the next week. :cool:

[slipper]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I feel that 249 is just too expesive when compared to 299 for a 15 gig - Just doesnt add up. I feel that a $50.00 mail in rebate will be appropriate. well this topic has been beaten to death. do you go to the gym? the regular iPod is a little to big IMO in the gym which makes the mini perfect. its not a matter for storage size for everybody. heck i bet most people dont even have over a single gig of music in their MP3 collections. thats why i would like a SMALLER version like the other 1.5 gig players out there

[revenuee]

Originally posted by slipper
well this topic has been beaten to death. do you go to the gym? the regular iPod is a little to big IMO in the gym which makes the mini perfect.


I have a 20 gig iPod and i use it at the gym all the time ... i don't have a problem with its size

[solvs]

Originally posted by Borg3of5
3. It had an FM/AM tuner built-in.

2. Had an FM/AM tuner built-in.

The small size of the miniPod is neat, but it HAS to have an FM/AM tuner.

Well, if you want an FM Tuner, there's always this (http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?code=5430-FMXT). It's not built-in, but it's only $20. Works with the Mini, I believe.

But yeah, $199 is the sweetspot.

[Penman]

I've been reading the boards a while and wanted to know if anyone has any ideas on the iming of bigger iPods. I had a 30gig unit which I sold because:

1) It was too small (there were no 40's when I bought it)

2) The battery was dying

Now I'm waiting for a 60gig plus unit that's capable of holding my entire record collection (I know - I have a lot of CD's.)

My other question regards quality. I hate having to compress my CD's. The bass dissapears (and I'm at 192K AAC's) and it's just a bad idea. Lossy compression sucks. There are a few lossless schemes, like Meridian Lossless Packing, that don't throw data away. Is there any chance Apple will give us the chance to truly copy our music losslessly? Also when are the new iPods coming?

Finally - does anyone agree that an iPod should be able to charge without a plug on the bottom (like my $150 electric razor) using an induction loop? They're cheap and might make the think a bit more weatherproof. Are we going to see bluetooth updating of playlists and - most important - smart battery charging (check out a Sony digicam if you've not seen how rechargable batteries should be handled) and replacable batteries?

I have a 17" G4 1 Ghz which I love. I think Apple make some great product. Please don't see this as any kind of flame. I'm just demanding and looking forward to having an iPod that I don't have to compromise my record collection to own (deciding waht to put on the 30gig was a constant pain).

I look forward to hearing some feedback.

[Beck446]

is it possible for a device to actually charge over the bluetooth connection???

[Penman]

Nope - bluetooth charging isn't what I meant. I don't think thats possible. It's easy to charge something without plugging it in though. Just placing it on a pad. That way you could just sit your iPod on a pad and charge it. The same could (and should in my opinion) be done for the powerbooks. Kill the wires!

[TranceClubMusic]

http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com/

[Rod Rod]

Originally posted by Penman
Nope - bluetooth charging isn't what I meant. I don't think thats possible. It's easy to charge something without plugging it in though. Just placing it on a pad. That way you could just sit your iPod on a pad and charge it. The same could (and should in my opinion) be done for the powerbooks. Kill the wires!

that might introduce a magnetic field, which would destroy the data on the iPod's HD.

electric razors don't have any magnetic media in them so they make sense for induction loop charging.

it's not a great hassle to manage your iPod's playlists in iTunes where you don't take your whole music collection everywhere.

[jimjiminyjim]

My question is: How long before iPods become walkmans in value. How long before I can get one for $20. How long before the next best thing comes along - and I'll be able to afford the third best?

Ok, honestly, I'd have bought a $150.00 even if it was only 1 gig. Later.

[john123]

Originally posted by solvs
Well, if you want an FM Tuner, there's always this (http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?code=5430-FMXT). It's not built-in, but it's only $20. Works with the Mini, I believe.

Has anyone tried this thing? How well does it compare to, say, the FM tuner on a regular Walkman?

[je_wallace]

Is there any chance that Apple & Nokia or some other GSM mobile phone manufacturer might work together to develop a phone or transfer device or something so that I can download music from iTunes without needing a computer or modem connection to the iTune servers?

With 1 Billion mobile phone subscribers, it seems like that is a target rich environment which some company will enter some day....I just hope it's Apple, iPod & iTunes.

[mkrishnan]

Originally posted by je_wallace
With 1 Billion mobile phone subscribers, it seems like that is a target rich environment which some company will enter some day....I just hope it's Apple, iPod & iTunes.

IIRC, iMode has a feature sort of like this in Japan.... You'd think, though, wouldn't you? :(

I'd guess someone has just got to come up with this in the next two years in the US....although, to be honest, I still buy CDs as well as iTunes songs, and I really don't need music so badly as to have to buy it from my phone. So I just want it cuz it'd be trick. Is that so wrong?

[john123]

Any news on the timetable for a revision of the current crop of full-sized iPods, or a price drop?

The 10% sale over the weekend and the "$30 off $299" promotion going on now send up a little bit of a flag to me...

[Engagebot]

would anyone else like to see iPods with integrated XM recievers?