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rasmasyean
Sep 3, 2008, 02:37 AM
Lets imagine that some events happen that escalated between these two factions and war is declared months from now.

What would happen and what would be the outcome.

Discuss...:)



SMM
Sep 3, 2008, 02:58 AM
Lets imagine that some events happen that escalated between these two factions and war is declared months from now.

What would happen and what would be the outcome.

Discuss...:)

This country would erupt in revolution, or civil war. There is no way people would support a war with Europe. They are our friends and allies for crissake. The only way this would happen is if McCain was elected and he went completely over the edge. Personally, I find the question absurd.

sushi
Sep 3, 2008, 03:00 AM
Personally, I find the question absurd.
Completely agree.

davidjearly
Sep 3, 2008, 03:17 AM
Europe would win. :D

No, seriously I can't see this happening. Even if the US is stupid enough as a nation to vote in the republicans again.

rasmasyean
Sep 3, 2008, 04:23 AM
Lets imagine that some events happen that escalated between these two factions and war is declared months from now.

The question is not "Would USA and EU ever go to war?"

Besides, you never can predict the future. ;)

So put on your military/political/sociological caps and make some predictions!

calculus
Sep 3, 2008, 04:26 AM
We are quite safe here in the EU because the USA doesn't actually know where it is.

On a serious note though this question is just ridiculous. Do you not have anything better to do?


Edit - that wouldn't actually be a World War either would it, seeing as most of the world wouldn't be playing...

arkitect
Sep 3, 2008, 04:29 AM
Lets imagine that some events happen that escalated between these two factions and war is declared months from now.

What would happen and what would be the outcome.

Discuss...:)

A far more interesting question.

Edit: What a silly thread…

design-is
Sep 3, 2008, 04:35 AM
<snip>
Edit - that wouldn't actually be a World War either would it, seeing as most of the world wouldn't be playing...

Couldn't you say the same about the previous world wars? I don't believe they involved every country in the world.

calculus
Sep 3, 2008, 04:35 AM
Besides, you never can predict the future. ;)



I think I can predict the future of this thread...

arkitect
Sep 3, 2008, 04:42 AM
Couldn't you say the same about the previous world wars? I don't believe they involved every country in the world.

Because the European countries involved were all colonial "powers" WWI & II certainly were world wide wars…

calculus
Sep 3, 2008, 04:50 AM
There were indeed a fair few countries involved in WW2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_World_War_II).

But if the definition being applied to 'World' is the same as that for the Baseball World Series then I suppose that the proposed WWIII includes more than the world...

BoyBach
Sep 3, 2008, 05:21 AM
Germany to win by penalty shoot out.

dukebound85
Sep 3, 2008, 05:23 AM
what? the US and EU are predominantly on the same team.......

stupid question

Much Ado
Sep 3, 2008, 05:30 AM
what? the US and EU are predominantly on the same team.......

stupid question

While it is a stupid question, no countries are on the same team. Each country is self-preserving. Foreign policy cares little for ideals.

Besides, I'd like to see anyone try to invade Glasgow. Good luck with that.

dukebound85
Sep 3, 2008, 05:33 AM
While it is a stupid question, no countries are on the same team. Each country is self-preserving. Foreign policy cares little for ideals.

Besides, I'd like to see anyone invade Glasgow. Good luck with that.

well i know time can change everything

MacBoobsPro
Sep 3, 2008, 05:34 AM
I think the world would become a wasteland!

.Andy
Sep 3, 2008, 05:34 AM
what? the US and EU are predominantly on the same team.......
Wasn't the choice you're either with us or against us?

BoyBach
Sep 3, 2008, 05:36 AM
I think the world would become a wasteland!


A wasteland, you say!?

Schtumple
Sep 3, 2008, 05:39 AM
A wasteland, you say!?

DING DING DING DING DING

THE MYSTERY WORD HAS BEEN SPOKEN!!!

:p

I doubt this would ever happen, the EU is too large of a force for america to contend with, unless we had some large influx of oil, I doubt america would ever go to war with us...

calculus
Sep 3, 2008, 05:43 AM
I doubt this would ever happen, the EU is too large of a force for america to contend with, unless we had some large influx of oil, I doubt america would ever go to war with us...

They might come after our chocolate though...

Schtumple
Sep 3, 2008, 05:45 AM
They might come after our chocolate though...

I hear Belgium has some pretty slick defenses these days :p

BoyBach
Sep 3, 2008, 05:51 AM
They might come after our chocolate though...


[Faux antipedian / Scottish accent] "Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FINE FRENCH CHEESES!" [/Faux antipedian / Scottish accent]

dukebound85
Sep 3, 2008, 06:02 AM
DING DING DING DING DING



I doubt this would ever happen, the EU is too large of a force for america to contend with, unless we had some large influx of oil, I doubt america would ever go to war with us...

id say vice versa is also true

és:
Sep 3, 2008, 06:53 AM
Lets imagine that some events happen that escalated between these two factions and war is declared months from now.

What would happen and what would be the outcome.

Discuss...:)

Russia and China would join the EU and nuclear bombs would rain from the sky across the planet. Most of the world would be wiped out but the USA would lose.

Far to much hubris from the US about how mighty they are. A declining empire with the tactical savy of a school child playing battleships.

sushi
Sep 3, 2008, 08:19 AM
I can't believe this thread is still going. :confused:

Motley
Sep 3, 2008, 08:21 AM
I think the world would become a wasteland!

Fortunately the community has purchased the latest VaulTech vault so we should be good, assuming the water chip holds out.


War, war never changes....

Queso
Sep 3, 2008, 09:54 AM
Dead easy. Europe can just sit back and wait for the Americans to kill each other and thereby lose by default. After all, with no Brits on their side to shoot at who else are the Yanks going to take out in their famous friendly fire incidents?

Cromulent
Sep 3, 2008, 09:59 AM
Dead easy. Europe can just sit back and wait for the Americans to kill each other and thereby lose by default. After all, with no Brits on their side to shoot at who else are the Yanks going to take out in their famous friendly fire incidents?

Hahaha, so true. Reminds me when they shot at a British helicopter even though Iraq had no Airforce to speak of and certainly no Apaches. Muppets!

takao
Sep 3, 2008, 10:34 AM
if it stays a conventional war it sure would be quite costly within the first week for the americans with all the different units stationed throughout mainland europe + UK .. while the air force units perhaps can save their planes (and "only loose all the ground equipment and installations) to some degree, the ground units would very likely be forced to either surrender within a week (no supply routes possible.. thus no extra fuel) or completely annihilated

the US forces also don't have a huge technological advantage so it sure would be a different conflict

a huge plus on the US side would be it's navy which sure would toll EU surface forces in high sea waters but sure would keep out of coastal areas because of the more advanced small EU submarines

in terms of ground forces an initial technology advantage of the US forces would be very soon negated in a longer conflict since many US vehicles already are at the maximum of upgradability(M1 maxed out vs Leopard 2 having upgrade path to 140mm gun)

Queso
Sep 3, 2008, 10:38 AM
Let's be honest, the only winner of such a war would be China :D

iShater
Sep 3, 2008, 10:39 AM
Lets imagine that some events happen that escalated between these two factions and war is declared months from now.

What would happen and what would be the outcome.

Discuss...:)

What two factions? :confused:

Last time I checked it is all "the west" and it is trying to take over the North, South, and East. :rolleyes:

Fortunately the community has purchased the latest VaulTech vault so we should be good, assuming the water chip holds out.


War, war never changes....

So true. I love that, and it is scary to imagine how things would end!

Eraserhead
Sep 3, 2008, 10:46 AM
Each country is self-preserving. Foreign policy cares little for ideals.

There is this little thing called international trade too which is really what makes this perposterous...

marbles
Sep 3, 2008, 10:47 AM
We are quite safe here in the EU because the USA doesn't actually know where it is.




that really is quite funny.

I reckon the Chinese would just flick 'that' switch , turn off all our computers and sit back an laugh at us all while we descend into total chaos.

edesignuk
Sep 3, 2008, 10:50 AM
What would happen and what would be the outcomeThe Chinese would bitch slap us all and tell us to behave ourselves. All those exports aren't going to sell themselves to dead people.

r.j.s
Sep 3, 2008, 11:00 AM
The Chinese would bitch slap us all and tell us to behave ourselves. All those exports aren't going to sell themselves to dead people.

There is your answer.

Anuba
Sep 3, 2008, 11:34 AM
Lets imagine that some events happen that escalated between these two factions and war is declared months from now.

The question is not "Would USA and EU ever go to war?"

Besides, you never can predict the future. ;)

So put on your military/political/sociological caps and make some predictions!
Well sure, we could 'imagine' all we want but it's just such a bloody unlikely scenario. A more likely scenario would be USA and EU as allies in a war against Russia, or China vs the rest of the world.

As for the outcome of your imagined scenario, well... it's 500 million Europeans (and that's just the EU alone, not all of Europe) vs 300 million Americans. On top of that you have several other countries who would be itching to join the EU just to get the opportunity to kick some American butt. The arab world would be first in line, Russia would be second in line (adding in the nuclear capacity that the EU doesn't have). I'm sure North Korea would be happy to join as well. The only real question is what China would do.

edesignuk
Sep 3, 2008, 11:39 AM
Russia would be second in line (adding in the nuclear capacity that the EU doesn't have).The UK and France already have nukes, not as many as Russia or the US, but when it comes nukes numbers don't matter as much.

Dagless
Sep 3, 2008, 11:41 AM
Hey guys what's going on in this farce of a thread?

Queso
Sep 3, 2008, 11:53 AM
As for the outcome of your imagined scenario, well... it's 500 million Europeans (and that's just the EU alone, not all of Europe) vs 300 million Americans. On top of that you have several other countries who would be itching to join the EU just to get the opportunity to kick some American butt. The arab world would be first in line, Russia would be second in line (adding in the nuclear capacity that the EU doesn't have). I'm sure North Korea would be happy to join as well. The only real question is what China would do.
Saudi Arabia is the USA's biggest ally. That's why US forces spend so much time enforcing Saudi's foreign policy.

BoyBach
Sep 3, 2008, 11:57 AM
Hey guys what's going on in this farce of a thread?


I'm just hoping the thread isn't closed before I finish my game of Civ 2 and I'm able to give the definitive answer! Is France okay as my representative of the EU?

thechidz
Sep 3, 2008, 11:57 AM
how about lets not...

1. it wont happen, so keep dreaming
2. if it did the human race wouldn't last very long (not that I think it will anyway)

iShater
Sep 3, 2008, 11:58 AM
I'm just hoping the thread isn't closed before I finish my game of Civ 2 and I'm able to give the definitive answer! Is France okay as my representative of the EU?

That is just awesome! :D

takao
Sep 3, 2008, 12:08 PM
(adding in the nuclear capacity that the EU doesn't have).

you think the EU would sit there and let the US transport out their nuclear bombs out of their EU bases where still enough are stationed ? ... i suspect those bases are top priority targets for taking over ... don't forget that the US bombs are equipped with compatible mounts for european planes

also don't forget "nukleare Teilhabe"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

i suspect it's not to difficult for european engineers to disassemble them and put in new detonation codes ;)

Abstract
Sep 3, 2008, 12:16 PM
Hey guys what's going on in this farce of a thread?

The American who started this thread is losing. The Europeans are bringing it, and numerous Americans have decided to go with the Europeans.

that really is quite funny.

I reckon the Chinese would just flick 'that' switch , turn off all our computers and sit back an laugh at us all while we descend into total chaos.

I bet China would join the European side, regardless of what the war was about. Russia would side with China, and the EU. China's not going to fight with America, because if there's a chance to become the lone superpower, they may as well take it, no?

edesignuk
Sep 3, 2008, 12:18 PM
I bet China would join the European side, regardless of what the war was about. Russia would side with China, and the EU. China's not going to fight with America, because if there's a chance to become the lone superpower, they may as well take it, no?So there we have it.

America gets exterminated, and the rest of us all become slaves to China.

/thread.

iBlue
Sep 3, 2008, 12:22 PM
...numerous Americans have decided to go with the Europeans. ...
I know I have. http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/smilies/ron_wink.gif

TheAnswer
Sep 3, 2008, 12:30 PM
I think the EU would win more battles. However, if some American media outlet were to draw up a chart of the victories, the US would still be listed first for some stupid reason.

Queso
Sep 3, 2008, 01:03 PM
I think the EU would win more battles. However, if some American media outlet were to draw up a chart of the victories, the US would still be listed first for some stupid reason.
LOL. I can see it now. USA loses New York, Chicago and LA, yet because they destroyed Llanelli, Niort, Rockenberg AND Terracina the EU must have lost :D

Eraserhead
Sep 3, 2008, 01:41 PM
I think the EU would win more battles. However, if some American media outlet were to draw up a chart of the victories, the US would still be listed first for some stupid reason.
The sad things is that USA Today actually did that with the Olympics when China got twice as many golds as them.

rasmasyean
Sep 3, 2008, 01:41 PM
What about GPS and other space based weaponology? How would that change some of the Civ 3 military tactics mentioned above?

In this scenario, the most and stable advanced nations go to war. And what would it look like. No more 3rd world involvement. Do you know your country's and the world's defense/economic/political structure?

Anuba
Sep 3, 2008, 01:46 PM
Saudi Arabia is the USA's biggest ally. That's why US forces spend so much time enforcing Saudi's foreign policy.
Right, but Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Libya, Syria, Somalia and Egypt are not Saudi Arabia. I said "the arab world" which includes the entire middle east and a large part of northern Africa. Apart from Israel and rich small oil states like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bahrain and Kuwait, the arab world is rabidly anti-american.

Schtumple
Sep 3, 2008, 01:50 PM
What about GPS and other space based weaponology? How would that change some of the Civ 3 military tactics mentioned above?

In this scenario, the most and stable advanced nations go to war. And what would it look like. No more 3rd world involvement. Do you know your country's and the world's defense/economic/political structure?

Oh come on, your seriously trying to stimulate the discussion again???

Satalites are great for looking at buildings... if you want to see whats on its roof (obscure TV show reference)

GPS would aim any bombs aimed at buildings into a field, before telling it to perform a legal u-turn... :p

skunk
Sep 3, 2008, 01:52 PM
"Weaponology"? :eek::confused:
Thread = Dead.

And not before time.

iShater
Sep 3, 2008, 01:52 PM
Edit: Removed anything that can keep this thread alive.

Jaffa Cake
Sep 3, 2008, 01:55 PM
"Weaponology"? :eek::confused:I think this may be my new favourite word.

rasmasyean
Sep 3, 2008, 02:09 PM
"Weaponology"? :eek::confused:
Thread = Dead.

And not before time.

What that's against the rules to talk about that?

Schtumple
Sep 3, 2008, 02:11 PM
I think this may be my new favourite word.

I think I heard Weaponology on Live lounge on Radio 1 the other week :p

rasmasyean
Sep 3, 2008, 02:13 PM
you think the EU would sit there and let the US transport out their nuclear bombs out of their EU bases where still enough are stationed ? ... i suspect those bases are top priority targets for taking over ... don't forget that the US bombs are equipped with compatible mounts for european planes

also don't forget "nukleare Teilhabe"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

i suspect it's not to difficult for european engineers to disassemble them and put in new detonation codes ;)

Currently, USA provides much of the defense capability of many EU countries? Which ones have USA bases?

rasmasyean
Sep 3, 2008, 02:14 PM
I think I heard Weaponology on Live lounge on Radio 1 the other week :p

It's a TV show.

iShater
Sep 3, 2008, 02:17 PM
I think I heard Weaponology on Live lounge on Radio 1 the other week :p

I think the president used it a couple of times when talking about nuklr weaponology. :D

Schtumple
Sep 3, 2008, 02:19 PM
I think the president used it a couple of times when talking about nuklr weaponology. :D

nuklr, or newklar?

discuss :p

BoyBach
Sep 3, 2008, 02:20 PM
"Weaponology"? :eek::confused:


That explains everything; rasmasyean is obviously Dubya's online persona. :eek: :D

rasmasyean
Sep 3, 2008, 02:23 PM
Oh come on, your seriously trying to stimulate the discussion again???

Satalites are great for looking at buildings... if you want to see whats on its roof (obscure TV show reference)

GPS would aim any bombs aimed at buildings into a field, before telling it to perform a legal u-turn... :p

I was actually thinking about some of the nuclear scenarios that you guys mentioned. And statelites can also track fleets I believe. Maybe not submarines that I have heard, but who knows.

Schtumple
Sep 3, 2008, 02:25 PM
I was actually thinking about some of the nuclear scenarios that you guys mentioned. And statelites can also track fleets I believe. Maybe not submarines that I have heard, but who knows.

I was joking man, everyone seems to be, it's like a playground in here...

rasmasyean
Sep 3, 2008, 02:26 PM
nuklr, or newklar?

discuss :p

U mus b an old f4rt! Doncha no its a nu word in da kewl way to txt!

r.j.s
Sep 3, 2008, 02:27 PM
U mus b an old f4rt! Doncha no its a nu word in da kewl way to txt!

Wow, that went way over your head.

skunk
Sep 3, 2008, 02:30 PM
What that's against the rules to talk about that?Pssst. It's not a real word. And this is a very childish game.

Schtumple
Sep 3, 2008, 02:31 PM
Wow, that went way over your head.

I think it's worthy of a stamp of approval...

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii163/chinisu/FAIL.jpg

BoyBach
Sep 3, 2008, 02:34 PM
I'm just hoping the thread isn't closed before I finish my game of Civ 2 and I'm able to give the definitive answer! Is France okay as my representative of the EU?


My apologies to my fellow Europeans, but the Yanks won. I knew I shouldn't have picked the French... :o

r.j.s
Sep 3, 2008, 02:34 PM
My apologies to my fellow Europeans, but the Yanks won. I knew I shouldn't have picked the French... :o

Did they lose or surrender?

TheAnswer
Sep 3, 2008, 02:35 PM
The sad things is that USA Today actually did that with the Olympics when China got twice as many golds as them.

Good thing they did too! If it weren't for the efforts of USA Today, the English would be reading Der Angriff.

it5five
Sep 3, 2008, 02:35 PM
My apologies to my fellow Europeans, but the Yanks won. I knew I shouldn't have picked the French... :o


If you had been playing the superior Civilization, the third one, that wouldn't have happened.

If it weren't for the efforts of USA Today, the English would be reading Der Angriff.

If it weren't for Gutenberg, USA Today wouldn't have been able to put their efforts toward helping the English not read Der Angriff.

Schtumple
Sep 3, 2008, 02:36 PM
My apologies to my fellow Europeans, but the Yanks won. I knew I shouldn't have picked the French... :o

Dammit BoyBach, everyone knows the French can't win a war ;)

Macky-Mac
Sep 3, 2008, 02:49 PM
Dammit BoyBach, everyone knows the French can't win a war ;)

depends on whether they have the Daleks on their side doesn't it?

Queso
Sep 3, 2008, 03:04 PM
My apologies to my fellow Europeans, but the Yanks won. I knew I shouldn't have picked the French... :o
Next time pick the Psilons, they kick ass :D

r.j.s
Sep 3, 2008, 03:19 PM
I think it's time this thread gets this:

http://enquata.com/mr-images/wasteland.jpg

nick9191
Sep 3, 2008, 04:03 PM
The EU doesn't have the power to bring in every country in Europe to battle.

és:
Sep 3, 2008, 04:23 PM
The EU doesn't have the power to bring in every country in Europe to battle.

So?

SMM
Sep 3, 2008, 04:46 PM
I can't believe this thread is still going. :confused:

I agree. I cannot imagine the series of events it would take to create this situation. How many Americans do you think would ever support this? the EU would have to be landing troops on our shores before I would pick-up a weapon against them. And if the USA started the war, which would be the only conceivable way I could see this happen (and I still find that a silly-assed notion), I would support the EU. It would not be a matter of patriotism. It would be because I do not support an Imperial America. As we have seen over the past 8 years, the Imperial Presidency has led us to government, never imagined by our founders. One of the first things Obama should do, is meet with the Congressional leadership and restore the system of checks and balances and make it so this can never happen again.

blackfox
Sep 3, 2008, 04:59 PM
It is out of sheer morbid curiousity that I decided to read through this thread.

Note to self: Stop being curious.

Schtumple
Sep 3, 2008, 05:27 PM
It is out of sheer morbid curiousity that I decided to read through this thread.

Note to self: Stop being curious.

Get out while you still can!

dogtanian
Sep 3, 2008, 05:29 PM
Not sure why the OP felt this post would end in any other way than his first ridiculous thread regarding us 'Johnny Foreigners' being brainwashed by our culture to "follow the crowd" whereas Americans who are taught to be "individuals" and think out[side] of the box [whilst] supporting [our] lazy a$$[s]...

Hmm, I think it is time to lower the curtain on this thread...

Oh, and I must add 'weaponology' to my vocabulary! Love it! :p

Badandy
Sep 3, 2008, 06:14 PM
Not sure why the OP felt this post would end in any other way than his first ridiculous thread regarding us 'Johnny Foreigners' being brainwashed by our culture to "follow the crowd" whereas Americans who are taught to be "individuals" and think out[side] of the box [whilst] supporting [our] lazy a$$[s]...


To be fair, there is a lot to be said for the American entrepreneurial spirit and the availability of investment money to follow new businesses and business models...

zap2
Sep 3, 2008, 06:18 PM
Never happen....we'd get mad at them, but never war.


And if we did go to all out war, and either side was winning(I'm inclined to think the EU would, although we do have a decent head start with troops already begin there, so maybe not), either side would use nukes, and then the other side would use them, and everyone would lose. MAD in action!

thechidz
Sep 3, 2008, 06:18 PM
i am unsubscribing from this thread and suggest everyone else do the same...

skunk
Sep 3, 2008, 06:44 PM
To be fair, there is a lot to be said for the American entrepreneurial spirit and the availability of investment money to follow new businesses and business models...WTF??? You cannot be serious, ref!

Eraserhead
Sep 3, 2008, 08:07 PM
The EU doesn't have the power to bring in every country in Europe to battle.

True Switzerland would stay neutral I suppose

skunk
Sep 3, 2008, 08:10 PM
True Switzerland would stay neutral I supposeLichtenstein, Andorra and San Marino would be dead set against, too.

Eraserhead
Sep 3, 2008, 08:14 PM
To be fair, there is a lot to be said for the American entrepreneurial spirit and the availability of investment money to follow new businesses and business models...

Since the only area the US is ahead of Europe is it's technology industry I suppose it's in the lead on this...

Though on the environment, transportation (air, rail, metros, roads) mobile phone coverage, holiday allowance, integration of minorities, wealth disparity and healthcare provision to name some issues Europe is ahead of the US at the moment.

Eraserhead
Sep 3, 2008, 08:15 PM
Lichtenstein, Andorra and San Marino would be dead set against, too.

Damn we're screwed then.

rasmasyean
Sep 3, 2008, 09:14 PM
Never happen....we'd get mad at them, but never war.


And if we did go to all out war, and either side was winning(I'm inclined to think the EU would, although we do have a decent head start with troops already begin there, so maybe not), either side would use nukes, and then the other side would use them, and everyone would lose. MAD in action!

The USA has anti-missile capabilities I know. But what do some of the countries in EU have that can counter nuclear strikes? ...not counting the anti-missle force in US bases. I know China has demonstrated satelite destruction, so I presume that "might" help with anti-missle. But Assuming China stays out of it...

rasmasyean
Sep 3, 2008, 09:19 PM
Since the only area the US is ahead of Europe is it's technology industry I suppose it's in the lead on this...

Though on the environment, transportation (air, rail, metros, roads) mobile phone coverage, holiday allowance, integration of minorities, wealth disparity and healthcare provision to name some issues Europe is ahead of the US at the moment.

That kind of reminds me of this thing about the old phone chips manufactured in the USA. The companies were forced to install some secret circuit in their chips so that the USA can disable USSR communications if needed. :eek: I think it was declassified in recent times. :)

marbles
Sep 3, 2008, 09:44 PM
The USA has anti-missile capabilities I know. But what do some of the countries in EU have that can counter nuclear strikes? ...

Really big umbrellas made of a special neoprene not yet available out side deepest darkest west Wales :p

edesignuk
Sep 4, 2008, 04:19 AM
Did we win? :confused:

:p

Badandy
Sep 4, 2008, 04:25 AM
Since the only area the US is ahead of Europe is it's technology industry I suppose it's in the lead on this...

Only the technology industry...

You know, that small bit about an economic revolution.

Queso
Sep 4, 2008, 04:35 AM
i am unsubscribing from this thread and suggest everyone else do the same...
Great advice. Following you out.

Dagless
Sep 4, 2008, 04:58 AM
My guns are bigger than your guns.

Cromulent
Sep 4, 2008, 05:13 AM
i am unsubscribing from this thread and suggest everyone else do the same...

Why in Gods name did you subscribe in the first place?!

Pittsax
Sep 4, 2008, 09:12 AM
The American who started this thread is losing. The Europeans are bringing it, and numerous Americans have decided to go with the Europeans.



I bet China would join the European side, regardless of what the war was about. Russia would side with China, and the EU. China's not going to fight with America, because if there's a chance to become the lone superpower, they may as well take it, no?
...

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

How about a nice game of chess?

Eraserhead
Sep 4, 2008, 11:02 AM
Only the technology industry...

You know, that small bit about an economic revolution.

You know it's also easy to set up businesses in Europe...

freeny
Sep 4, 2008, 11:33 AM
We are quite safe here in the EU because the USA doesn't actually know where it is.

:D

I think the only predictable thing about this hypothetical war, is there would be a whole bunch of dead people on both sides.

takao
Sep 4, 2008, 11:35 AM
The EU doesn't have the power to bring in every country in Europe to battle.

nothing is so uniting like an outward common enemy

ignoring the fact that with the EU contract there is already a clause which means EU have to support each other in a defensive attack


if such a conflict would escalate and one side uses nuclear weapons pretty much all sides would use them and the war would turn unwinable anyway
a conventional war on the other side is always worth a discussion since both sides have different strengths and abilities

Don't panic
Sep 4, 2008, 12:01 PM
I think this may be my new favourite word.

it's the new upcoming book of the Ologies series, after Egyptology, Dragonology, Mythology, Pirateology, Wizardology, Monsterology.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511R95EMM7L._SS400_.jpg

xlii
Sep 4, 2008, 12:06 PM
Lets imagine that some events happen that escalated between these two factions and war is declared months from now.

What would happen and what would be the outcome.

Discuss...:)

The Europeans are weak... they would never fight. Watch and learn... as the Russians take back what is rightfully theirs. Putin will take back the former USSR and Eastern Europe too as the weak EU watches and crys.

KingYaba
Sep 4, 2008, 01:43 PM
The USA has anti-missile capabilities

Laser plane. (http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/)

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/6/5/1/0263156.jpg

I shouldn't have read this thread. I was doing so well avoiding some of these trashy threads on this subforum. But now I'm compelled to post this picture before the Wasteland. Don't say it, I'm familiar with the Eurofighter... this thread is a joke and the picture fits the theme.

ghall
Sep 4, 2008, 02:15 PM
If you had been playing the superior Civilization, the third one, that wouldn't have happened.


The third one? Are you crazy? Civilization IV is where it’s at. It would have provided a much more accurate simulation. :)

rasmasyean
Sep 4, 2008, 03:21 PM
Laser plane. (http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/)


Don't they also have ground based lasers tested inside their bases in Europe, Israel etc.? I know they had the Patriot missile in the 1st Gulf War but I'm sure that's been upgraded by now.


http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/6/5/1/0263156.jpg

I shouldn't have read this thread. I was doing so well avoiding some of these trashy threads on this subforum. But now I'm compelled to post this picture before the Wasteland. Don't say it, I'm familiar with the Eurofighter... this thread is a joke and the picture fits the theme.

Are you talking about Typhoon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon)?
Yo that plane is a joke, dude. I don't know why they decided to go for that POS in this dang age.

In the beginning I remember reading they were going to do a US/European Joint Strike Fighter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Strike_Fighter_Program) but they must've like chickened out or something.

Beric
Sep 4, 2008, 03:26 PM
We are quite safe here in the EU because the USA doesn't actually know where it is.

Recent polls have shown a fifth of Americans can't locate the U.S. on a world map. Why do you think this is? :D

BoyBach
Sep 4, 2008, 03:27 PM
If you had been playing the superior Civilization, the third one, that wouldn't have happened.

The third one? Are you crazy? Civilization IV is where it’s at. It would have provided a much more accurate simulation. :)


Next time we need to simulate a World War I'm going to play chess (against myself, so that I can guarantee a 'favourable' result. :D )

Jaffa Cake
Sep 4, 2008, 03:56 PM
But now I'm compelled to post this picture before the Wasteland. Don't say it, I'm familiar with the Eurofighter... this thread is a joke and the picture fits the theme.You're just jealous because our pilots are so much bigger than yours. I mean, we can't even build planes big enough for them!

BoyBach
Sep 4, 2008, 07:15 PM
I shouldn't have read this thread. I was doing so well avoiding some of these trashy threads on this subforum. But now I'm compelled to post this picture before the Wasteland. Don't say it, I'm familiar with the Eurofighter... this thread is a joke and the picture fits the theme.


You might have air superiority, but your Abrams tanks will be no match for our Household Cavalry! :D

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rasmasyean
Sep 4, 2008, 07:58 PM
Laser plane. (http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/)




How about this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWX4Tbjc_Y4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scpul-ePA48&feature=related

Wow lookie here! Someone already made a video about this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HptMKpb2LkI

Schtumple
Sep 5, 2008, 03:30 AM
You might have air superiority, but your Abrams tanks will be no match for our Household Cavalry! :D


You forgot the infantry.

http://www.blooiphoto.com/img/msr/Bike_joust.jpg

I hear the horses head helps guidance...

Also, we have a picture of what an anti air machine gun might look like, if we could secure the funding, damn 2012 olympics...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Gatling.gif

Someone please wasteland this thread, it's gone to absurdity and back again...

r.j.s
Sep 5, 2008, 06:30 AM
Also, we have a picture of what an anti air machine gun might look like, if we could secure the funding, damn 2012 olympics...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Gatling.gif


Off topic: The US Army's 1st Cavalry Division Museum has a working one of those, it's pretty interesting.