A Most Grievious Offense: "COUNTRY FIRST" At The RNC

[bobber205]

Today when I looked at my local paper I almost sh** a brick in anger. :(

My eyes saw thousands of republicans with signs that said "COUNTRY FIRST".
Which of course means that Dems, even perhaps Independents, don't love our country or always put it first when thinking about who to elect.

That is extremely offensive.

Anyone that was at that convention with half a brain should have refused to put up with that. I know a Republican or two that is a reasonable person and I feel for him too. He is generally offended by what is going on but will "still probably" vote for McCain.

Please. Any republicans on these boards, PLEASE tell me this offended you. I don't care if you're voting for McCain or not but anyone with integrity should have been mad. If the Dems pull crap like this I would be equally offended.

I think signs that say "HOPE" and "CHANGE" are at the very least less offensive then this. Of course it implies that the Republicans are not messengers of "hope" or "change". Change is definitely debatable while hope is less so. But nowhere should it ever be said that Dems aren't as patriotic as the Republicans.

[EricNau]

I don't see a difference. Both parties are being equally offensive towards the other as far as I'm concerned.

[NT1440]

Frankly, i can't see anything more patriotic than trying to make your country a better place for all instead of living with its flaws under the veil of "patriotism".

Obama is every bit as in love if not more with this country as Mccain.

[yojitani]

Today when I looked at my local paper I almost sh** a brick in anger. :(

My eyes saw thousands of republicans with signs that said "COUNTRY FIRST".
Which of course means that Dems, even perhaps Independents, don't love our country or always put it first when thinking about who to elect.

That is extremely offensive.

Anyone that was at that convention with half a brain should have refused to put up with that. I know a Republican or two that is a reasonable person and I feel for him too. He is generally offended by what is going on but will "still probably" vote for McCain.

Please. Any republicans on these boards, PLEASE tell me this offended you. I don't care if you're voting for McCain or not but anyone with integrity should have been mad. If the Dems pull crap like this I would be equally offended.

I think signs that say "HOPE" and "CHANGE" are at the very least less offensive then this. Of course it implies that the Republicans are not messengers of "hope" or "change". Change is definitely debatable while hope is less so. But nowhere should it ever be said that Dems aren't as patriotic as the Republicans.

I think 'Country First' is the right-wing equivalent of the Dixie Chicks... Or perhaps the fine print reads "before the people in it"?

[stevento]

My eyes saw thousands of republicans with signs that said "COUNTRY FIRST".
Which of course means that Dems, even perhaps Independents, don't love our country or always put it first when thinking about who to elect.


that's a big jump in logic.

[bobber205]

that's a big jump in logic.

Fair enough I guess?
Take out the Independents part.

Now defend it. What the hell could it mean?

[Desertrat]

Going back to at least 1980 in my experience of direct involvement, the national level of the Democratic party has always had party ahead of the good of the nation as a whole...

I recall the schism when the Chappaquiddick Chicken was running: "Sometimes party loyalty demands too much."

[stevento]

Fair enough I guess?
Take out the Independents part.

Now defend it. What the hell could it mean?


at the DNC people had signs that said "One Nation" which obviously means obama is saying that john mccain wants to split up the union. :rolleyes:

[dukebound85]

Today when I looked at my local paper I almost sh** a brick in anger. :(

My eyes saw thousands of republicans with signs that said "COUNTRY FIRST".
Which of course means that Dems, even perhaps Independents, don't love our country or always put it first when thinking about who to elect.

That is extremely offensive.

Anyone that was at that convention with half a brain should have refused to put up with that. I know a Republican or two that is a reasonable person and I feel for him too. He is generally offended by what is going on but will "still probably" vote for McCain.

Please. Any republicans on these boards, PLEASE tell me this offended you. I don't care if you're voting for McCain or not but anyone with integrity should have been mad. If the Dems pull crap like this I would be equally offended.

I think signs that say "HOPE" and "CHANGE" are at the very least less offensive then this. Of course it implies that the Republicans are not messengers of "hope" or "change". Change is definitely debatable while hope is less so. But nowhere should it ever be said that Dems aren't as patriotic as the Republicans.

how is it offensive? would you rather have them say "country last"? lol

if it wasnt for your other threads which make you out to be a hater of republicans i might take you a bit more seriously
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=555117
thats one such thread i found...

[archesdevil]

I was offended by all the old, fat, rich, white people holding "country first" signs at the RNC.

[robanga]

I think you are allowing partisan politics to get under your skin too much. My advice is do not watch ;)

Actually its probably not bad advice in general to tune it all out, go to the polls in November and do your duty. The next day the country will largely be the same regardless.

[dukebound85]

I was offended by all the old, fat, rich, white people at the RNC.

i now finally figured out why macrumors tends to be liberal

old, fat, rich, white people are like the pc in the mac vs pc ads

seriously, can you be more stereotypical please? pretty please? *end sarcasm*

[Prof.]

at the DNC people had signs that said "One Nation" which obviously means obama is saying that john mccain wants to split up the union. :rolleyes:
If McCain wins the election, the nation will separate itself.:D:p

[archesdevil]

i now finally figured out why macrumors tends to be liberal

old, fat, rich, white people are like the pc in the mac vs pc ads

seriously, can you be more stereotypical please? pretty please? *end sarcasm*

I could, but if you watched the RNC, they did a magnificent job themselves.

[dukebound85]

If McCain wins the election, nation will separate itself.:D:p

which makes no sense by your logic as to be elected, the nation must ....wait for it..... elect him

[Thomas Veil]

Going back to at least 1980 in my experience of direct involvement, the national level of the Democratic party has always had party ahead of the good of the nation as a whole...You lived through Reagan, Ashcroft, Rove, Atwater, DeLay, Frist, Allito, Cheney, Dubya, Thomas, Nixon and that whole Watergate gang...and you can say that with a straight face??

[Prof.]

which makes no sense by your logic as to be elected, the nation must ....wait for it..... elect him
he only has to win by 51%

[dukebound85]

he only has to win by 51%

um not really

do you know how the electoral college works?

but thats besides the point as the same could be said for obama

[pseudobrit]

Going back to at least 1980 in my experience of direct involvement, the national level of the Democratic party has always had party ahead of the good of the nation as a whole...

What a bunch of crap. Sixteen years of supply-side deficit economics has crippled our country's ability to compete in the global markets and gutted the middle class base upon which our nation became so great, while benefitting the super-wealthy almost exclusively.

[r.j.s]

Fair enough I guess?
Take out the Independents part.

Now defend it. What the hell could it mean?

It means they want to put the country first ... you are reading WAY too much into this. Relax, let the hate go for a little while.

[bobber205]

It means they want to put the country first ... you are reading WAY too much into this. Relax, let the hate go for a little while.

When all they talk about is how Obama is unpatriotic, doesn't love his country etc, you can only assume that's what they mean.

Remember mccain saying

"Obama would rather lose a war and win an election..." you know the quote. :D

[yojitani]

It means they want to put the country first ... you are reading WAY too much into this. Relax, let the hate go for a little while.

I'm most relieved that you aren't supporting Roseanne Barr for president... She changed her name anyway, didn't she?

[r.j.s]

When all they talk about is how Obama is unpatriotic, doesn't love his country etc, you can only assume that's what they mean.
:D

I dont think anyone else made that assumption. Like someone else said: What about the One Nation signs at the DNC? Are those be offensive? Should they be to an outsider?

[r.j.s]

I'm most relieved that you aren't supporting Roseanne Barr for president... She changed her name anyway, didn't she?

Not roseanne, Bob Barr, and no idea.

[bobber205]

I dont think anyone else made that assumption. Like someone else said: What about the One Nation signs at the DNC? Are those be offensive? Should they be to an outsider?

I don' think they imply anything other than we are all in this together?

[dukebound85]

I don' think they imply anything other than we are all in this together?

just like how the "country first" implies they want to put the good of the country first?

seriously you are making me laugh with your inconsistencies

[r.j.s]

I don' think they imply anything other than we are all in this together?

Then why so offended by Country First? Are you just that filled with hate for all things republican?

[bobber205]

Then why so offended by Country First? Are you just that filled with hate for all things republican?

Normally I wouldn't be if it wasn't for the attacks on Obama's patriotism.

Out of context for that, I only find it mildly, if at all, objectionable. Well within right of something to say.

All the rheotoric about McCain being the "true" supporter of the country, usually by mentioning he was a POW, is what makes me mad.

[seenew]

The question is: Which country is McCain putting first? In my eyes, it's Iraq. He's certainly more concerned with the evildoers than the economy at home.

[dukebound85]

Normally I wouldn't be if it wasn't for the attacks on Obama's patriotism.

Out of context for that, I only find it mildly, if at all, objectionable. Well within right of something to say.

All the rheotoric about McCain being the "true" supporter of the country, usually by mentioning he was a POW, is what makes me mad.

are you serious? obama attacks mccain as well....or are you blind to this since you are a democrat?

[bobber205]

are you serious? obama attacks mccain as well....or are you blind to this since you are a democrat?

When did Obama attack his patriotism?

He has repeatedly said that is something he never has and never will do. I'm sure if there was a sound bite of him doing that, the reps would have found it.

[bobber205]

The question is: Which country is McCain putting first? In my eyes, it's Iraq. He's certainly more concerned with the evildoers than the economy at home.

But they're evil! ;)

[dukebound85]

When did Obama attack his patriotism?

He has repeatedly said that is something he never has and never will do. I'm sure if there was a sound bite of him doing that, the reps would have found it.

oh so only attacks on patriotism count i see:rolleyes:

[bobber205]

oh so only attacks on patriotism count i see:rolleyes:

Yes. That's what the whole topic was about...

So attacking his stance on issues is inappropriate?

[dukebound85]

Yes. That's what the whole topic was about...

So attacking his stance on issues is inappropriate?

no this thread is about you reading too much into "country first" yet being completely ok with "one nation" used by obama. talk about hypocrisy, i mean one nation? does mccain want more than one nation? what is obama implying there? (those are rhetorical questions)

fact is they are just rallying slogans for the parties

as far as attacks, it is the nature of politics to attack each other. the sooner you realize it the better

[bobber205]

no this thread is about you reading too much into "country first" yet being completely ok with "one nation" used by obama. talk about hypocrisy

as far as attacks, it is the nature of politics to attack each other. the sooner you realize it the better

My God.

I said I was reading "too" much into ONLY because of the attacks on Obama's patriotism. Sensitive much?

Just b/c it's the norm doesn't make it ok.

[dukebound85]

My God.

I said I was reading "too" much into ONLY because of the attacks on Obama's patriotism. Sensitive much?

Just b/c it's the norm doesn't make it ok.

sensitive? at least i dont feel the need to start a thread on topics like this lol

[bobber205]

sensitive? at least i dont feel the need to start a thread on topics like this lol

Aren't I allowed to do that?
Nice to see you'e backing away from what was really being discussed. ;)

[Rodimus Prime]

It means they want to put the country first ... you are reading WAY too much into this. Relax, let the hate go for a little while.

agreed

The first post left me scratching my head because I did not get it. This one summed it up. I honestly did not see how it was a problem. Does not seem like an attack.

Now if they want to make it a big deal then DNC did the same thing with ONE NATION.

Really I do not see any attack in it. Seem pretty standard to me. They go saying they are trying to bring the country together (standard crap from both sides) and use something like like Country First, or One Nation. Both mean the same. They are trying to point out we are one nation.

The hate blinds them to the truth and they see only what they want to see. LET IT GO. Other wise you just become a raving lunitic that we all make fun of.

[dukebound85]

Aren't I allowed to do that?
Nice to see you'e backing away from what was really being discussed. ;)

you sure are

but you calling me sensitive over the topic is ironic when you made a thread because of you were sensitive about it in the first place.

i honestly could care less about the slogans and take them as face value

as i said, "country first" to me means that the republicans want to focus on the good of the country first and foremost. just like "one nation" for the dems want to unify the nation

to think the slogan was a "jab" at obama is very amusing i must say

[Aea]

Today when I looked at my local paper I almost sh** a brick in anger. :(

My eyes saw thousands of republicans with signs that said "COUNTRY FIRST".
Which of course means that Dems, even perhaps Independents, don't love our country or always put it first when thinking about who to elect.

That is extremely offensive.


What? As somebody said this is an extremely big jump in logic, in fact it doesn't follow at all.

There's nothing offensive about people holding up "COUNTRY FIRST" signs. First, I can't possibly see how you can make an accurate assumption over their political beliefs and viewpoints from this sign alone.

I think you're just an arrogant liberal (removed) that automatically assumes that every Republican would be using the opportunity to smear Obama or insult the Democratic party. There's nothing overtly offensive about these signs, the very fact that you made such a jump to logic to reach the conclusion is what's really offensive here.

To me it seems like they're likely against our nation's involvement in others affairs and the problems this brings (neo-isolationists if you win). But that's a liberal belief, how dare they. Nope, must be insulting Obama and attending a KKK rally at six.

:rolleyes:

[stevento]

If McCain wins the election, the nation will separate itself.:D:p

America is a nation of perseverance, and we've withstood eight years of awful leadership, and we can endure four more.

[dukebound85]

America is a nation of perseverance, and we've withstood eight years of awful leadership, and we can endure four more.

accepting a mccain win i see haha jk

[Badandy]

bobber: Your thread making shows as much ineptitude in analysis as any party in the political arena shows.

Just repeat it over and over: Republicans are bad. Democrats are good. :rolleyes:

[seenew]

I'll say it is mildly offensive. As was the whole of the speeches tonight from the RNC. Nothing but divisive nonsense. Attacking others' patriotism by asserting yours is childish. But we shouldn't expect much more from the reds, I've learned.

[Badandy]

I'll say it is mildly offensive. As was the whole of the speeches tonight from the RNC. Nothing but divisive nonsense. Attacking others' patriotism by asserting yours is childish. But we shouldn't expect much more from the reds, I've learned.

And how about the mud slinging being slung by the left? Oh, I almost forgot, it's just the reds.

[dukebound85]

And how about the mud slinging being slung by the left? Oh, I almost forgot, it's just the reds.

i know, people are blind to the mud-slinging of the party they support and only notice what gets thrown at them

[és:]

If I were the democrats I'd change my slogan to 'people first'. Screw the piece of land they walk on. Screw the flag they con you into dying for. Screw the governments that just want more and more power. It's the people that should come first.

[Badandy]

i know, people are blind to the mud-slinging of the party they support and only notice what gets thrown at them

And it's not as if I am oblivious to the mud slinging being done by my party (Republicans). I know they do, I just can't believe some people would be so naive as to believe that it's only them who do it. Don't worry ladies and gentlemen, the whole rampant speculation, mud-slinging, and flat out lies surrounding the Sarah Palin pregnancy "cover-up" (which the DailyKos admitted they were being a *little* overzealous with the story) was just journalism. There was no agenda behind that, and that is what I call playing fair. Bravo.

[seenew]

And how about the mud slinging being slung by the left? Oh, I almost forgot, it's just the reds.

There is a some animosity towards McCain and the Republican party, of course. This is an election, there will be jabs. The shear quantity of these attacks by the republican party is what's sickening. You never hear ANYTHING about the issues in their ads or speeches. It's always slander and slogans. Tonight, that's all I saw. Slander. Pause for cheers. Catch phrase. Pause for the masses to laugh and/or repeat it ("DRILL BABY DRILL!"). More attacks, a little bit about terrorism and why we should be so scared, more attacks, some booing, then wrap it up with a nice McCain-the-POW bedtime story.

I was honestly watching these speeches to get an idea of what the party is planning to do to fix this broken country. I got nothing.
I'm hoping for some answers from McCain himself tomorrow. I will puke if he spends half the time talking about being a POW. Military experience (or being locked up in a cell for five years) ≠ qualification for leadership. I want to hear SPECIFICS about the ECONOMY and ALTERNATIVE energy.

Obama gave specifics. I'm waiting to hear from the other side.

[nick9191]

I think for America to move forward you really need to get rid of this patriotism notion.

[leekohler]

I think for America to move forward you really need to get rid of this patriotism notion.

Thank you. And is it just me, or is it getting really petty in here lately? Folks, let's try to stick to what's important instead of silliness like this thread. Each side has a slogan. I see no reason to be offended by either. Let's move along- nothing to see here.

[rdowns]

Let's move along- nothing to see here.

I'm rdowns and I approve of this slogan. :D

[Cleverboy]

Thank you. And is it just me, or is it getting really petty in here lately? Folks, let's try to stick to what's important instead of silliness like this thread. Each side has a slogan. I see no reason to be offended by either. Let's move along- nothing to see here.Agreed. There's plenty of other things to be offended by. No need to invent.

~ CB

[bobber205]

It's been claimed I "hate" republicans. Not the people themselves. I am disappointed in them more than anything. If there's any hate, it's for the party and the people that run it.

After 8 years of Bush's private hell we've endured, I think it takes a extremely strong party loyalty to say that the Republicans are still the only choice for american. :D

[sushi]

i know, people are blind to the mud-slinging of the party they support and only notice what gets thrown at them
Understatement of the year! :)

[r.j.s]

It's been claimed I "hate" republicans. Not the people themselves. I am disappointed in them more than anything. If there's any hate, it's for the party and the people that run it.

After 8 years of Bush's private hell we've endured, I think it takes a extremely strong party loyalty to say that the Republicans are still the only choice for american. :D

While I agree with you about the republican party, I think it's both parties that have lost their way. Congress has an 18% approval rating (http://www.gallup.com/poll/1600/Congress-Public.aspx), and this election isn't about the issues, it's politics as usual on both sides.

As far as republican support, I think there are a lot of people that truly believe McCain can change things, much like there are a lot of people that believe Obama can change things. Personally, I don't think either are going to change much - and neither will really change anything for the better.

[BoyBach]

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[solvs]

I don't see a difference. Both parties are being equally offensive towards the other as far as I'm concerned.
You mean like when the Dems constantly call McCain their friend, and that they know he loves his country, but just disagree with him? Compared to those who are still outright questioning Obama's patriotism (http://www.tulsaworld.com/common/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleID=20080906_11_A1_STPAUL227187). While I won't go as far as the the OP, the RNC was pretty disappointing. Nothing but "liberals are bad" (I especially love how Bush used the term "angry liberals", as if they were the only ones who are angry and as if they had no reason to be), 9/11, terrorism, taxes, we're winning in Iraq, and making fun of Obama's community service. It was disappointing. At least Obama finally made some policy comments, even going into some specifics. Little to no specifics from the GOP.

Not saying the Dems haven't been attacking, and the media is finally going after the GOP with Palin after ignoring McCain for awhile and talking about nothing but Obama, the good and the bad, but I don't see how anyone can say they're as bad as the GOP has been going after Obama, especially on the patriotism front.

Going back to at least 1980 in my experience of direct involvement, the national level of the Democratic party has always had party ahead of the good of the nation as a whole...
You have got to be ****ing kidding me with this. While I won't be defending the Dems, you really think the GOP is any better? That they really do put "country first". Even ignoring the last 8 years that have been nothing but partisan politicking from them, and the 8 years before that where they went after Clinton before they even had anything (again, not defending Clinton), as mentioned, what about the Iran Contra thing? Or Watergate? WATERGATE!?! Really? :confused:

(which the DailyKos admitted they were being a *little* overzealous with the story)
Again, Kos themselves didn't post it. It was posted on their boards, which are kinda like these boards (though not exactly). It was disputed, then removed, then those who continued to mention it were banned. There were questions, they were answered, but amongst all the other questions, why are the rest ignored because some of them some don't think are valid questions to ask? The same people who had no problem when it was Clinton or Obama they were bring things up that had nothing to do with anything about.

Congress has an 18% approval rating (http://www.gallup.com/poll/1600/Congress-Public.aspx), and this election isn't about the issues, it's politics as usual on both sides.
For one, the Dems barely have a lead in the House, and only have a single lead in the Senate. Add in those campaigning, out because of other issues, right leaning Dems, and Liebermann, it's barely a lead at all, and even a slight turn towards the conservative side. Besides, that's all of Congress, not just the Dems. If you break it down by party, the Dems win in polls on almost every issue. The GOP is projecting losses in both Houses BTW.

So no, I don't know if the Dems are really going to be "country first" or not, but Obama likes to talk about bipartisan efforts and bringing everyone to the table while praising McCain, and the GOP outright calls Obama unpatriotic, relating him to terrorists and such, but it's perfectly valid civic discourse? :confused: K.