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MacRumors
Sep 4, 2008, 01:27 PM
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According to CNet sources (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10031812-93.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20), Apple will not be introducing an iTunes subscription service next week.My sources say that they don't expect Apple to announce anything to do with music content, and they are sure Apple won't be rolling out an iTunes music subscription service.According to the article, Apple simply has not acquired such licensing from music labels at this time.
The rumor was revived after a claimed transcript (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/20/september-apple-event-rumor-itunes-unlimited-iphone-idisk-access/) of events was broadcast to several sites. These supposed transcripts are easy to fake, however, and have never been found to be accurate.
Still the possibility of Apple introducing a subscription service has some basis in reality (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/03/18/apple-to-offer-unlimited-music-plan/), as the earlier rumors have described that Apple has been in negotiations for this possibility.
Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/04/no-music-subscription-service-next-week/)
DMann
Sep 4, 2008, 01:29 PM
In time, perhaps, but certainly not a big deal.
JML42691
Sep 4, 2008, 01:29 PM
I doubted that we were going to see anything like this soon, this would have been a big change with such little rumors before it. I would have liked to see it though.
thecartoonguy
Sep 4, 2008, 01:29 PM
I don't know...I'm still on the fence about this one
BLACK MAC
Sep 4, 2008, 01:32 PM
Well if it did happen, I would surely buy it. If not, well there is nothing we can do about it. Maybe oneday. :rolleyes:
olliebraves20
Sep 4, 2008, 01:34 PM
I still don't understand why Apple would want to go this route. I mean how many other subscription services have come and gone?? Why would they want to follow what is obviously a failed idea, at least for the time being.
kornyboy
Sep 4, 2008, 01:35 PM
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This would have been interesting to see but maybe in time.
SFNE Freak
Sep 4, 2008, 01:35 PM
Well I hope they have something in store that makes it worth the press coming out to San Francisco. Price cuts and redesigned nano/iTunes 8 ain't gonna cut it.
Rojo
Sep 4, 2008, 01:40 PM
Well I hope they have something in store that makes it worth the press coming out to San Francisco. Price cuts and redesigned nano/iTunes 8 ain't gonna cut it.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I wasn't thrilled about the subscription model idea, and thought it might be a mistake for Apple to do -- but at least it would have made the event "news-worthy." NOW what do they have? Everyone knows the new Nano model by now, price cuts are a given, and I don't think anyone will be that wowed by a new visualizer....
BJWanlund
Sep 4, 2008, 01:41 PM
I'll believe it when it doesn't happen.
BJ
anubis
Sep 4, 2008, 01:42 PM
To be honest, I would welcome a subscription-based service. I'd have signed up for napster a long time ago if it was Mac-compatible.
Cynicalone
Sep 4, 2008, 01:44 PM
I didn't really think Apple would go this route anyway.
I'm interested to see if the rumors about HD TV shows turns out to be true.
Sabon
Sep 4, 2008, 01:46 PM
"No Music Subscription Service Next Week" DUUUUUUUUUUH
BJWanlund
Sep 4, 2008, 01:49 PM
To be honest, I would welcome a subscription-based service. I'd have signed up for napster a long time ago if it was Mac-compatible.
What subscription service (save for Rhapsody...barf) is Mac-compatible?
BJ
slicecom
Sep 4, 2008, 01:51 PM
Good! I hope their "big announcement" has nothing to do with iTunes and everything to do with a tablet!
BJWanlund
Sep 4, 2008, 01:54 PM
I think Apple is being sly and calling their new iTunes initiative something BESIDES a subscription service. My iTunes Premium Pass idea (search the MR forums) might be what they're going for after all!
Besides, why the hell would a Mac tablet be shown at a goddamn iPod event, anyway? :rolleyes:
BJ
Scooterman1
Sep 4, 2008, 01:55 PM
iTunes and Software/Firmware for the iPhone that cures the Lockup problem would be REAL BIG to me as I'm sitting here right now having to completely restore my iPhone AGAIN. Up until now, I had to add and App to get it to lock up, but this time, there wasn't anything added and it locked up. Windows is far better than this, even Vista.
rhett7660
Sep 4, 2008, 01:57 PM
That is one of the things I would of liked to have seen. Oh well maybe next time.....
Nicolecat
Sep 4, 2008, 01:59 PM
If they are going to have subscription-based services...these should be included in the price of any goods they sell that require using the service.
Just a thought. :o
SFNE Freak
Sep 4, 2008, 02:02 PM
Good! I hope their "big announcement" has nothing to do with iTunes and everything to do with a tablet!
Yeah, totally. An event named "Let's Rock" should absolutely be about a tablet. I guess it could work if the tablet had a subwoofer.
So the rumor is believed to be false, but Kevin Rose still has all his twitter followers.
You have got to stop listening to that guy; he's mentally unstable.
FaasNat
Sep 4, 2008, 02:05 PM
Wasn't that thrilled with the thought of a music subscription service. A TV subscription service on the other hand.....
Consultant
Sep 4, 2008, 02:09 PM
Record companies know that they can make MORE money by doing music subscriptions. But subscriptions never took off because people like to own their music, especially their favorite songs.
Can people who have no math skills STOP dreaming about subscriptions? (or get a job and see how many of them allow you to listen to music all day long).
Beric
Sep 4, 2008, 02:10 PM
Didn't really want one, so I'm happy to see Apple isn't wasting its time.
Stang68
Sep 4, 2008, 02:11 PM
Well now this makes me think even more that there will be room for Jobs to introduce some new MacBook Pros. He wont be talking much about iTunes and all that crap...
slicecom
Sep 4, 2008, 02:11 PM
Yeah, totally. An event named "Let's Rock" should absolutely be about a tablet. I guess it could work if the tablet had a subwoofer.
Well I'm hoping that they have more than one announcement... I suppose they would have called it "Let's Tablet" if it was for a tablet? I'm sure the "Lets Rock" refers to updated iPods. Maybe the one more thing is a tablet! :D
spacevator
Sep 4, 2008, 02:16 PM
Good! I hope their "big announcement" has nothing to do with iTunes and everything to do with a tablet!
I totally agree! Have you seen the Archos 5 or Archos 7 ? Very Cool. It's about time Apple moves multi-touch to the next level on a Mac and/or iPod with a bigger screen. And the bigger iPod screen (big enough to browse a whole web page without zooming!) can still be small enough to fit in your pocket...just look at the Nokia n810!
The Tall One
Sep 4, 2008, 02:17 PM
Everyone knows that there is no business in music subscription services. The cost of licensing is too high added to the fact that it is INCREDIBLY easy to download music for free.
tartaruga
Sep 4, 2008, 02:20 PM
I may be going out on a limb here, but I think that the "one more thing" will be a tablet--like what Moses used. It all fits in with the "let's rock" theme. Cloud computing be damned! Apple's going to introduce stone computing to the masses!
ChrisA
Sep 4, 2008, 02:21 PM
So Apple is calling the press to an "event" where Steve goes on stage and says that the Nano is now taller and the Touch has a more rounded back. Then he says "thanks for coming" and leaves. That would be the last "event" the press would bother to attend. No, there is something music related that we don't know about that will be announced.
But then I could be wrong. Remember the "event" where Steve unveiled a very expensive powered speaker, and that was it. Could happen again.
slicecom
Sep 4, 2008, 02:28 PM
I may be going out on a limb here, but I think that the "one more thing" will be a tablet--like what Moses used. It all fits in with the "let's rock" theme. Cloud computing be damned! Apple's going to introduce stone computing to the masses!
You sir, are an absolute genius! I think you cracked the code!
sprice25
Sep 4, 2008, 02:28 PM
too bad. I was looking forward to this possible option. There is always next year.
jmerk
Sep 4, 2008, 02:31 PM
Obviously music subscriptions are a failure...to drop the hyperbole, they are aimed at a limited audience.
Instead how about a new movie subscription model?
I would drop netflix and purchase an AppleTV the day that it was announced if they would just make this move. The current model for movie rentals blows-sort of HD, limited viewing of the movies, and too expensive per movie.
Apple: Give me a Netflix model and I'll buy your hardware and rent from you (even if it isn't "real" HD [although you could fix that as well...]).
Get on the ball you are getting passed by other services!
My $ .02
Clayne
Sep 4, 2008, 02:40 PM
I may be going out on a limb here, but I think that the "one more thing" will be a tablet--like what Moses used. It all fits in with the "let's rock" theme. Cloud computing be damned! Apple's going to introduce stone computing to the masses!
If Apple released a tablet before the new notebooks, I'd be beyond angry.
twoodcc
Sep 4, 2008, 02:48 PM
well this doesn't bother me. i'm not the type that wants subscription music. i want to own my music
Sabon
Sep 4, 2008, 02:51 PM
To be honest, I would welcome a subscription-based service. I'd have signed up for napster a long time ago if it was Mac-compatible.
For me the big problem is the same problem as every other subscription service. If it ever, ever, ever gets shutdown you have nothing to show for all the money you paid. It's like rental a car from a rental company and having nothing to show for the money you spent when you turn the car back in.
Yes I understand about leasing a vehicle.
When renting a vehicle you pay a lot more than you do if you buy it.
Leasing a vehicle you pay less than buying a car and much less than renting a car.
clancemasterj
Sep 4, 2008, 02:54 PM
Well now this makes me think even more that there will be room for Jobs to introduce some new MacBook Pros. He wont be talking much about iTunes and all that crap...
Couldn't of said it better myself.
krye
Sep 4, 2008, 03:04 PM
No surprise here. We all know that Jobs hates subscription services.
Phillyzero
Sep 4, 2008, 03:12 PM
No worries, wasn't expecting it either.
iWesley
Sep 4, 2008, 03:17 PM
I would sign up for an iTunes subscription service if the following conditions were met:
Reasonably priced. I prefer to own my music but would use a subscription service to check out new releases, music I'm not familiar with etc.
Huge selection. I won't do it if the only a few labels are included.
Mac compatible.
Apple TV compatible.
iPhone compatible.
If I could listen via the Apple TV and iPhone then this becomes as useful as my satellite radio...assuming I can play it through my iPhone and car radio using the Edge/3G network.
HobeSoundDarryl
Sep 4, 2008, 03:19 PM
So Apple is calling the press to an "event" where Steve goes on stage and says that the Nano is now taller and the Touch has a more rounded back. Then he says "thanks for coming" and leaves. That would be the last "event" the press would bother to attend. No, there is something music related that we don't know about that will be announced.
But then I could be wrong. Remember the "event" where Steve unveiled a very expensive powered speaker, and that was it. Could happen again.
So with this news, along with the comments of "something big" and presumably that "something big" is very likely related to "rocking on", my guesses are now:
1. Beatles (maybe a short-term exclusive). They're still big enough to drive some news stories, justifying the call for the press to show up (for more than just otherwise minor updates)
2. Maybe the :apple:TV hardware update covering a few of the bigger wishes that have been floating around that device (though I would still bet heavily against the Blue Ray, DVR and central server storage wishes). I'm betting it will be 1080p capable (though little to no content to actually feed it 1080p video will show up for a very long time). Nevertheless a 1080p :apple:TV is what I'd personally most like to see on the 9th (and I already have the existing model).
3. Steve is sick/Steve is retiring for health reasons. Famous CEOs would almost certainly call a press event to let the world know they are stepping down. And that would be big news making it worth the trip (for the press anyway). If this one, my guess is that it would not be immediate, a successor would probably be named (or a date would be called for naming one), and he would talk about one more MacWorld (09) in which something amazing will be rolled out, setting up a swan song. Like many, I hold a fair amount of Apple stock, so I hope this one isn't right.
I'm doubting the TV show rental concept, as that would potentially be fantastic for the consumer at the great expense of every cable giant. I just don't see even Apple being big enough to pull the revenue rug out from under the cable/satt subscription business, just like the iphone didn't pull the rug out from under the cell phone contract business. In both, there is just too much profit involved for the big communications companies to allow anyone- even Apple- to threaten their very lucrative, recurring revenue streams.
If it would happen, I would guess the rentals would be priced "too high" or we would have rentals with embedded commercials (to a chorus of "why do I have to pay to rent a show with commercials when I can get it for free?")
theBB
Sep 4, 2008, 03:20 PM
So Apple is calling the press to an "event" where Steve goes on stage and says that the Nano is now taller and the Touch has a more rounded back. Then he says "thanks for coming" and leaves. That would be the last "event" the press would bother to attend.
I agree. What is so special about iTunes 8 according to these rumors? New visualizations? Barely anybody uses them. Playlist recommendations based on your library? Well, I don't see it more useful than shuffling your songs. Grid view? Sounds cool and useful, but I am not sure these along with HD TV shows add up to a jump from 7.x to 8.0.
Taller nano or Touch with GPS could be very attractive products, but they are not really worth a big event. I suspect there is more, but these could be all there is to this event.
Anyways, I hope they release Shuffles with vivid colors instead of the very subdued ones they currently come with right now. I just lost my Shuffle and it was my most frequently used gadget. :(
DaBrain
Sep 4, 2008, 03:26 PM
Obviously music subscriptions are a failure...to drop the hyperbole, they are aimed at a limited audience.
Instead how about a new movie subscription model?
I would drop netflix and purchase an AppleTV the day that it was announced if they would just make this move. The current model for movie rentals blows-sort of HD, limited viewing of the movies, and too expensive per movie.
Apple: Give me a Netflix model and I'll buy your hardware and rent from you (even if it isn't "real" HD [although you could fix that as well...]).
Get on the ball you are getting passed by other services!
My $ .02
That AND a built in Digital Tuner! Being that the US is making it mandatory for all here to go Digital Broadcast by 2/19/2009. Now that would be a smart move for Apple TV. They then, would get my money.
I think many are not gonna be happy with their local digital TV stations. It's either on or off and here in Erie, PA our TV stations suck to begin with. After the digital conversion here we still will not have even one HD station broadcasting. They all choose the cheap route and will only offer the standard el-cheepo digital format. Many here live in the burbs, surrounded by lots of high trees, so their little rabbit ears will not be pulling in the OTA stations. Those in much larger cities won't have a problem but many of us will! Just wait and see!
Apple TV, ADD a Digital tuner, Netflix sub like deal and I'll take 3 units pronto! ;)
ATimson
Sep 4, 2008, 03:29 PM
Can people who have no math skills STOP dreaming about subscriptions? (or get a job and see how many of them allow you to listen to music all day long).
Mine lets me, as long as I wear headphones. Though I also sit at a computer in a cubicle all day... :)
BJWanlund
Sep 4, 2008, 03:43 PM
Please, for god's sakes, ********* STOP saying the goddamn S-word with regard to iTunes!
Couldn't Apple introduce a all-you-can-eat iTunes plan that didn't include the S-word? I think that they are, and I also think maybe they'll even go into e-books. Why the hell do you think they have been extremely coy about PDF support so far?? :mad:
Jeezus, and I thought Microsloth fanboys were negative...Holy Jesus, I ain't seen nothing yet apparently...
BJ
Eduardo1971
Sep 4, 2008, 03:50 PM
What subscription service (save for Rhapsody...barf) is Mac-compatible?
BJ
The one I've subscribed to for almost two years: www.emusic.com .
jellomizer
Sep 4, 2008, 03:51 PM
I still don't understand why Apple would want to go this route. I mean how many other subscription services have come and gone?? Why would they want to follow what is obviously a failed idea, at least for the time being.
I think Apple has the iPod advantage, and the big name behind it. It may not have been the business model that failed. As a lot of people would prefer a subscription vs purchase. It is more to the fact that the other ones either has illegal data, few titles, music portability problems, Insane DRM, Doesn't work for the iPod, etc...
Now I am not saying apple will pull it off but they have a better chance of making it successful. Before the iPod MP3 players were considered unsuccessful and Apple was criticized for its iPod as a path of doom for the company.
slicecom
Sep 4, 2008, 03:54 PM
No surprise here. We all know that Jobs hates subscription services.
Steve also hated the idea of video on iPods...
BJWanlund
Sep 4, 2008, 03:56 PM
The one I've subscribed to for almost two years: www.emusic.com .
*retches violently*
As long as you don't speak of that evil bastard service again, I'll be fine.
Steve also hated the idea of video on iPods...
And all the reason why I think Apple's working on this s-word service. And all the reason why I think Apple's working on e-books.
BJ
Eric S.
Sep 4, 2008, 04:16 PM
If they are going to have subscription-based services...these should be included in the price of any goods they sell that require using the service.
Just a thought. :o
No way. I would never buy a subscription service and I don't want to pay the same cost indirectly either.
DaBrain
Sep 4, 2008, 04:19 PM
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According to CNet sources (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10031812-93.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20), Apple will not be introducing an iTunes subscription service next week.According to the article, Apple simply has not acquired such licensing from music labels at this time.
The rumor was revived after a claimed transcript (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/20/september-apple-event-rumor-itunes-unlimited-iphone-idisk-access/) of events was broadcast to several sites. These supposed transcripts are easy to fake, however, and have never been found to be accurate.
Still the possibility of Apple introducing a subscription service has some basis in reality (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/03/18/apple-to-offer-unlimited-music-plan/), as the earlier rumors have described that Apple has been in negotiations for this possibility.
Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/04/no-music-subscription-service-next-week/)
For what it's worth the last paragraph in the linked article states:
Most people that I talked to connected with digital music are guessing that Apple's announcement will focus on iPods. But again, they don't know for sure.
So how is this a new rumor? :rolleyes:
Lesser Evets
Sep 4, 2008, 04:37 PM
NEWS FLASH:
World will NOT end tomorrow.
HobeSoundDarryl
Sep 4, 2008, 05:09 PM
If they are going to have subscription-based services...these should be included in the price of any goods they sell that require using the service.
That would seem very, very unlikely. The monetary driver of a subscription service is much like cable/satt or any other rentals. You get to enjoy the use of something as long as you keep paying, but own nothing after you stop paying.
To do what you are suggesting would be the same as setting a price for a person to rent basically ALL of the content in the itunes store, including future content to be added. In other words, the content owners would still want to get their (subscription) value paid to them. If it was (one time) priced into the product, that ipod would have a high price, probably based on something like how long that ipod would probably remain functional vs. the total value of a monthly subscription rate paid on the fly.
For example, if the content owners wanted a combined- say- $10 per month in subscription fees, they might estimate that the (one time fee) ipod would last about 48 months. 48 * $10 = $480 minus a little since you are paying up front (of course with the music industry mentality, they might think it should have an additional premium due to convenience or something). So let's say $400 to be added to the price of the ipod- say mid-level touch at $399- and you have a $799 ipod with prepaid subscription for the life of the (that ipod) product.
After that ipod dies, you own none of the songs you kept on it via prepaid subscription.
Would a $799 16gb ipod touch be a hit?
scotty96LSC
Sep 4, 2008, 05:16 PM
Disappointed, but life will go on.
Nicolecat
Sep 4, 2008, 05:48 PM
That would seem very, very unlikely. The monetary driver of a subscription service is much like cable/satt or any other rentals. You get to enjoy the use of something as long as you keep paying, but own nothing after you stop paying.
To do what you are suggesting would be the same as setting a price for a person to rent basically ALL of the content in the itunes store, including future content to be added. In other words, the content owners would still want to get their (subscription) value paid to them. If it was (one time) priced into the product, that ipod would have a high price, probably based on something like how long that ipod would probably remain functional vs. the total value of a monthly subscription rate paid on the fly.
For example, if the content owners wanted a combined- say- $10 per month in subscription fees, they might estimate that the (one time fee) ipod would last about 48 months. 48 * $10 = $480 minus a little since you are paying up front (of course with the music industry mentality, they might think it should have an additional premium due to convenience or something). So let's say $400 to be added to the price of the ipod- say mid-level touch at $399- and you have a $799 ipod with prepaid subscription for the life of the (that ipod) product.
After that ipod dies, you own none of the songs you kept on it via prepaid subscription.
Would a $799 16gb ipod touch be a hit?
I suppose more along the lines of what I was getting at...is the initial subscription rate. What if an itunes user, doesn't want to use it to 'download' music...but rather to rip all the music they already have? Are we now saying that someone that doesn't want to download stuff will have to pay a subscription just to use itunes services? If so...I'm going to be highly upset.
I could be misreading the idea behind it however...in which case, my bad.
medicstl
Sep 4, 2008, 05:51 PM
Yeah, totally. An event named "Let's Rock" should absolutely be about a tablet. I guess it could work if the tablet had a subwoofer.
Sweet a Sub-Woofer in a tablet would be...Hawt!/Sarcasm... I was actually hoping they would do something smart and announce the new MB. I'm in total limbo about purchasing one now as a result of rumors
iWesley
Sep 4, 2008, 06:25 PM
You can't "force" people to buy a subscription by adding the cost to products. The best option may be to offer it to MobileMe subscribers. That upgrade from dot Mac was a huge bust and I have no intention of renewing once the free 90 day extension expires. But if that included an iTunes subscription....
Loge
Sep 4, 2008, 06:31 PM
Steve also hated the idea of video on iPods...
... only until Apple had the technology ready to produce one. However, with subscriptions, Apple could have done this years ago if they thought it was a good idea.
Apple will only do subscriptions if they can see a huge profit in it for them, this seems very unlikely on the terms the record companies are going to offer, so not surprisingly this is not happening.
And emusic.com is not a subscription service in the way that is discussed here, that is renting an entire catalogue for the duration of your subscription. emusic is simply a purchase model dressed up to look like a subscription.
Eric S.
Sep 4, 2008, 06:59 PM
You can't "force" people to buy a subscription by adding the cost to products. The best option may be to offer it to MobileMe subscribers. That upgrade from dot Mac was a huge bust and I have no intention of renewing once the free 90 day extension expires. But if that included an iTunes subscription....
I think tying a music subscription to MobileMe is highly unlikely. The subscription price would not be simply going into Apple's pocket; that would have to cover the cost that Apple pays to the record companies from a renegotiated royalty agreement. And the record companies would want plenty to open up their catalogs for unlimited use. I can't see Apple just taking a bath on that in order to get a few more MobileMe customers.
HobeSoundDarryl
Sep 4, 2008, 07:20 PM
I suppose more along the lines of what I was getting at...is the initial subscription rate. What if an itunes user, doesn't want to use it to 'download' music...but rather to rip all the music they already have? Are we now saying that someone that doesn't want to download stuff will have to pay a subscription just to use itunes services? If so...I'm going to be highly upset.
Yes, that's not going to happen. Your music will be your music. The basic idea behind the subscription rumor is having access to (up to) ALL of the music on iTunes (you don't already own) as long as you keep paying "the rent."
If Apple tried to make just using iTunes (and thus iPods) a subscription-required situation, the backlash- even from the fanboys/girls here- would likely be harsher than any we've ever seen.
Argon4k
Sep 4, 2008, 07:39 PM
Yes, that's not going to happen. Your music will be your music. The basic idea behind the subscription rumor is having access to (up to) ALL of the music on iTunes (you don't already own) as long as you keep paying "the rent." So if you decide to cancel your subscription service, you no longer have the music? I don't like this idea. I'd much rather have a subscription fee to own all the music permanently. I'd rather just pay the $0.99 per song if this is the case.
iWesley
Sep 4, 2008, 07:49 PM
A traditional subscription works like satellite radio. You can listen as much as you want but if you stop paying there's no music. I would do it if the conditions were right because I would have access to music I wouldn't otherwise. I'm not paying .99 cents for a song based on a 30 second sample. But let me listen to anything on the store for a few bucks a month and I'm in. Most of it I wouldn't care to keep anyway.
Any iTunes subscription service would be optional and would not replace purchasing or disable the ability to rip your own tunes. But Apple always does things a bit differently so who knows how an Apple subscription would work.
I like the idea but I would be happy to have a good solution that allows me to listen to my own library on my iPhone.
HobeSoundDarryl
Sep 4, 2008, 07:50 PM
So if you decide to cancel your subscription service, you no longer have the music? I don't like this idea. I'd much rather have a subscription fee to own all the music permanently. I'd rather just pay the $0.99 per song if this is the case.
Right. What you want is what iTunes offers now. Buy the songs and keep them for life. The subscription idea is not an either/or idea (meaning the existing iTunes model would stick around too).
What this subscription concept is about is having the ability to have any of the songs in iTunes available to you as long as you keep paying a monthly fee. So instead of owning a few hundred or a few thousand songs, you can tap into a couple of million songs and treat them like you own them, as long as you keep paying for the subscription each month.
I'm very much in the camp of owning songs- not renting them. But for those that want a very broad variety of songs and can't afford to actually buy all of them, I can see some merit in a subscription offering.
Eric S.
Sep 4, 2008, 07:58 PM
So if you decide to cancel your subscription service, you no longer have the music?
That's correct. You certainly wouldn't have access to the music catalog, although I don't know how they would enforce removing what you have already downloaded to your devices.
I have seen an alternate suggestion that would tie an up-front fee to a single device (iPod) for the life of that device. A newly purchased device would then have to start over and re-download everything.
I don't like this idea. I'd much rather have a subscription fee to own all the music permanently.
But how would that work? What happens if you stop paying the subscription? Or are you saying that you want to pay one fee up front? That would have to be a pretty darn big fee, essentially buying all the music they have or ever will have.
I'd rather just pay the $0.99 per song if this is the case.
So would I. And given that my downloaded music is less than 5% of my collection (the rest ripped from my own CDs), I personally would choose not to deal with the store if it went to subscription-only.
happydude
Sep 4, 2008, 08:28 PM
so no music subscription, what does "let's rock" or whatever the press release was mean?
viccles
Sep 4, 2008, 08:48 PM
so no music subscription, what does "let's rock" or whatever the press release was mean?
I'm hoping somehow that it's related to the release of notebooks. Unlikely, but I can still wish :D
bushido
Sep 4, 2008, 09:09 PM
i expect them to announce nike+ for the iPhone, iPod Touch and new Nano
happydude
Sep 4, 2008, 10:03 PM
i expect them to announce nike+ for the iPhone, iPod Touch and new Nano
is nike+ really practical for the iphone? when i'm out running, having something huge clanging on my arm isn't exactly what i want to have. i'd get bruised training for any long races with it bouncing and banging into my arm over and over.
RyanGirtler
Sep 5, 2008, 10:28 AM
is nike+ really practical for the iphone? when i'm out running, having something huge clanging on my arm isn't exactly what i want to have. i'd get bruised training for any long races with it bouncing and banging into my arm over and over.
I would agree with the size of the iphone being awkward, but I would really like to have GPS tracking my run, maybe the new nano would have GPS and nike +. Then all they need is an HR monitor and I am set.
RG
s.hoz
Sep 5, 2008, 07:20 PM
See, I think they should apply a Subscription Service. For me, I download and buy SO much music, and I'm always finding new bands to add to my list, it just makes sense to have a To Go service like Rhapsody's.
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