Apple Retail Store Change on the 19th?

[MacRumors]

Sources familiar with Apple Retail's Graphics and Visuals plans have indicated that January 19 or 20 will bring an updated look to at least some of the graphics in the U.S. retail stores and the possibility of new products to go along with these visual changes.

(Readers are reminded that some items are posted to Page 2, not due to questions of reliability, but due to lack of specifics.)

[rdowns]

20th Anniversary G5 iMac please.

Would love to see a 2 GHz G5 with a 20" LCD.

edit: typo

[stingerman]

It appears we will be getting a $999 iMac, at least that is what the 1st qtr financial conference seemed to indicate. Fred Anderson said that the consumer sweet spot dropped to 999.

With 15"LCD screens so cheap, Apple should be able to produce a < 1000 new new iMac.

[stingerman]

I would think that a 1.6GHz G5 would be the starting point.

[Masao[RY]]

I'd love to see a G5 iMac released :) I think 1.6GHz single would suit the consumer market just fine, I know it would for me.

[masterjedi73]

Originally posted by Macrumors
Sources familiar with Apple Retail's Graphics and Visuals plans have indicated that January 19 or 20 will bring an updated look to at least some of the graphics in the U.S. retail stores and the possibility of new products to go along with these visual changes.

(Readers are reminded that some items are posted to Page 2, not due to questions of reliability, but due to lack of specifics.)

Where did you get this information? Are there any other news sites posting this?

[takao]

1.)hm a 999$ mac with 15 tft would be cool but i think that isn't gonna happen...
perhaps something 1100-1200

2.)yeah a 1,6 Mhz G5 iMac/perhaps new product would attract a lot of new users ... me including

but it has to be upgradable (for me personally)
im using a Geforce Ti4200 Graphics at the moment .... and the macs with better graphic cards are way too expensive for me...(powermac /powerbook)

[Freg3000]

I would assume, 1.5 weeks after the Keynote, that the banners or "graphics" for the new stuff that was released (GB, iLife '04, iPod mini) would already be up. If that is the case, perhaps this is new stuff. If the other stuff is not up yet, I would assume that they are just putting that stuff up.

[Mr. Anderson]

Anderson said eMac, not iMac and in this case a 'super eMac' was needed...he only hinted.

But super would have to mean G5, right? And how could you put a G5 in an eMac and not put them in the iMacs? So a sub $1k G5 eMac would be a killer.

We'll just have to wait to see what happens on the 20th (at least that's a clear indication that somethings happening).

D

[claughery]

The emac would become G5 AFTER the imac... Think about the people that use the emac- school children or college students for word processing... No need for the G5 there...

[garybooberry]

I am one of these whackos that go to the Apple Store every week.

No changes so far.

[bensisko]

Originally posted by stingerman
It appears we will be getting a $999 iMac, at least that is what the 1st qtr financial conference seemed to indicate. Fred Anderson said that the consumer sweet spot dropped to 999.

With 15"LCD screens so cheap, Apple should be able to produce a < 1000 new new iMac.

If that comes true, there will be a new iMac on my desk at home very soon (perhaps I should hold off on purchaseing iLife then?)!

[takao]

Originally posted by claughery
The emac would become G5 AFTER the imac... Think about the people that use the emac- school children or college students for word processing... No need for the G5 there...

he called it "super emac" thats sounds like a new thing not an upgrade to a eMac ....perhaps something between iMac - eMac
or updated iMac ?

it's only 3 days untill the 19th so we all know very soon

[kenaustus]

I'e been holding off getting a 20" iMac for the last few weeks so see if a new iMac is announced. No luck in SF, but I am hopeful for late January.

Best guess:

There have been a few rumors on a new form factor and IBM will have been kicking out the 90 nm chips so that is where my bet is heading. It simply doesn't make sense to design an iMac for the 130 nm chip when the 90 nm is in production.

The iMac G5 speed will probably be more related to the production yields than the current G5 PM speeds, but the FSB cost will also be an important factor.

Most of all I think Steve J will want a new iMac to have the same impact on the market as the current one did.

My credit card is ready.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by kenaustus
Most of all I think Steve J will want a new iMac to have the same impact on the market as the current one did.

that will one impressive event if they manage to do it again.....:D

I'm all for it, though, even though I won't be buying one. Still waiting for the new Dual G5 PM.

D

[Stike]

Guys, I had a really strange dream last night. Apple held a special keynote-style event, but it was not Steve on the stage.

They introduced the G5 iMac with 2 GHz...
...and then they updated the PowerMac line:
2 GHz single
2 GHz QUAD config (!!!)
2.5 GHz DUAL
and
3 GHz DUAL

I know this is way off, especially the dream about the Quad G5 (lol!) but I remember when everything was announced that the people cheered and I said to someone "Hey, NeatGekko was right!!"... :rolleyes:

;) :D

[Dont Hurt Me]

By the posts here there are a lot of people waiting to send Apple a check if they will send us that G5 2.0 Imac. will they do it? and how long will it take? I would think if we were to have a announcement this month we would have gotten a few leaks by now. Perhaps they arent ready and march may be a better time frame for Apple? or what if they just show a bumped G4:(

[coumerelli]

Originally posted by Stike
Guys, I had a really strange dream last night. Apple held a special keynote-style event, but it was not Steve on the stage.

They introduced the G5 iMac with 2 GHz...
...and then they updated the PowerMac line:
2 GHz single
2 GHz QUAD config (!!!)
2.5 GHz DUAL
and
3 GHz DUAL

I know this is way off, especially the dream about the Quad G5 (lol!) but I remember when everything was announced that the people cheered and I said to someone "Hey, NeatGekko was right!!"... :rolleyes:

;) :D


You've left me hanging...who was on the stage?!? Was it....you? :p

Seriously, I can't wait. I KNOW there has to be more in the pike than we know about - and it HAS to be coming out real soon. Remember, the 20th is a tuesday, not the 19th (for those who don't know, most releases are traditionally on tuesdays - operative word: traditionally).

[coumerelli]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
or what if they just show a bumped G4:(

That would deflate a lot of energy...I'd be disappointed. I'm ready to get rid of the G4 all together...just like Apple got rid of everything but osX. We need to move on! :D

[Rod Rod]

Originally posted by claughery
The emac would become G5 AFTER the imac... Think about the people that use the emac- school children or college students for word processing... No need for the G5 there...

the eMac and iMac could very well go G5 simultaneously.

eMacs are used for way more than word processing. many high schools and colleges use eMacs for teaching video editing on Final Cut Pro.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by coumerelli
Remember, the 20th is a tuesday, not the 19th (for those who don't know, most releases are traditionally on tuesdays - operative word: traditionally).

Well, the work for redoing the store would be done the night of the 19th so that everything is ready on the morning of the 20th. :D

D

[masterjedi73]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Well, the work for redoing the store would be done the night of the 19th so that everything is ready on the morning of the 20th. :D

D

...wait a minute. How do we know they're doing something? I came really close to buying a 1.8 DP G5 this week and decided to wait. It's killing me, though.

[Mr. Anderson]

just the rumor mill working - but next week is the 20th anniversary of the mac - so it just makes sense that something would happen.

D

[Dont Hurt Me]

perhaps just mini ipod posters going everywhere?

[MacEyeDoc]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stike
[B]Guys, I had a really strange dream last night. Apple held a special keynote-style event, but it was not Steve on the stage.

They introduced the G5 iMac with 2 GHz...
...and then they updated the PowerMac line:
2 GHz single
2 GHz QUAD config (!!!)
2.5 GHz DUAL
and
3 GHz DUAL


Whoa! Next time don't order that mushroom pizza! Steve not there to announce Quad 2GHz G5s! If something was going to be that insanely great, Steve would be there. I hope he will surprise us with something next week, though, as my credit card is ready to go on a Rev. B PowerMac with dual 2.6GHz. A G5 iMac or eMac would be "super" but I want a dual this time around. Just 4 days to go . . .

[wdlove]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Well, the work for redoing the store would be done the night of the 19th so that everything is ready on the morning of the 20th. :D

D

That makes alot of sense Mr. Anderson. That would be a return to the traditon of Apple to make major announcements on a Tuesday. Then we can have a whole week of celebration.

[macshark]

The last time I checked, the Apple store in Palo Alto did not have any graphics for iLife 4.0 or the mini-iPod.

Of course, I would really like to see new product intros on Jan 20, but at the same time, I am not sure if the info that started this thread is strong enough evidence for a Tuesday event. It may be more Apple-like to save the 20th anniversary surprise for a Superbowl.

[MacEyeDoc]

Originally posted by macshark
... save the 20th anniversary surprise for a Superbowl.

I would agree, but the Super Bowl is not until February. They gotta announce something in January, don't they?

But maybe that comment about a "super e-mac" was supposed to mean something more that it first appears. Only SJ knows for sure - and I don't have his cellphone number . . .

[pjkelnhofer]

Originally posted by claughery
The emac would become G5 AFTER the imac... Think about the people that use the emac- school children or college students for word processing... No need for the G5 there...

I would disagree. If the eMac is only for word processing why offer it with a Superdrive. I think it was meant to be sold primarily to schools and students for situations where an LCD screen could easily be damaged.
Offering a G5 eMac would go a long way to getting schools to purchase them. Imagining a room full of 1.6 GHz eMacs with students making music, editing videos and burning DVDs on them.
Plus, I would not mind getting one for my house.

[latergator116]

It sounds like Tuesday will be better than the MWSF keynote.:p

[macshark]

The irony is: it is probably easier to cool a 1.6GHz G5 in the eMac enclosure than the LCD iMac enclosure...

Maybe we should expect to see a form factor change for the iMac.

[macshark]

Originally posted by pjkelnhofer
I would disagree. If the eMac is only for word processing why offer it with a Superdrive. I think it was meant to be sold primarily to schools and students for situations where an LCD screen could easily be damaged.
Offering a G5 eMac would go a long way to getting schools to purchase them. Imagining a room full of 1.6 GHz eMacs with students making music, editing videos and burning DVDs on them.
Plus, I would not mind getting one for my house.

I have been visiting several elementary schools lately, and sadly, most of them are switching form older Mac platforms to, newer generic beige-box PCs which look ugly, unergonomic, untidy and certainly out of place in an elementary classroom. In one school, they had a row of older (CRT) iMacs and it looked so neat.

Mac-savy parents should be lobbying their schoold boards to go with eMacs instead of ugly PCs. Even a G4 eMac is a good solution for elementary students which use the machines for word processing and research.

[masterjedi73]

Originally posted by macshark
I have been visiting several elementary schools lately, and sadly, most of them are switching form older Mac platforms to, newer generic beige-box PCs which look ugly, unergonomic, untidy and certainly out of place in an elementary classroom. In one school, they had a row of older (CRT) iMacs and it looked so neat.

Mac-savy parents should be lobbying their schoold boards to go with eMacs instead of ugly PCs. Even a G4 eMac is a good solution for elementary students which use the machines for word processing and research.

The middle school I work in has Pentium 4 Dell Optiplexes, but even those are kind of pointless to have here because all of our privileges are taken away. We don't even have access to the hard drives.

The computer lab is always a mess. The IT guy is always in there trying to fix it. Nothing works. lol

[breakaway1029]

Maybe they are putting up stuff for the anniversary in preperation of a huge announcement on the 20th? I would believe it if apple finally kept something under "real" secrecy, because it kind of deflates peoples hopes when they already know what is coming. Hopefully they come out with something awesome.

[Krizoitz]

Originally posted by masterjedi73
The middle school I work in has Pentium 4 Dell Optiplexes, but even those are kind of pointless to have here because all of our privileges are taken away. We don't even have access to the hard drives.

The computer lab is always a mess. The IT guy is always in there trying to fix it. Nothing works. lol

So true, I attend the University of Washington and we have various computer labs on campus. You have to log-in to use the computer, it does clean up, standardizes all the files, etc. On the PowerMacs(G5's baby!) Login takes about a minute. On the PC's (Dull's) it takes 5 minutes, sometimes more just to log in. Logging out takes longer on the PC's too.

The best part is that there is usually no line waiting to use the Mac's even though there are about 1/2 to 1/3 as many as the PC's, but there is always a line of people waiting to use those Dell's, usually just for internet and e-mail!

I can understand individuals who need specific apps or hard core gamers, but seriously does the average person have THAT much of an aversion to Mac's that they can't see how slow and useless they are? Oh well, more PowerMac G5 fun for me! Now if only I could get them to donate one to my room...

[agentmouthwash]

a G5 imac would be amazing, but it would hurt Powerbook sales. I don't think Apple is going to release a G5 Imac until the Powerbooks also have the G5. That's what they did with the G4.

here is what I think they should do:

eMac $599 to $999 cheap for school and also competes with the emachines.

G4 imac $999 to a G5 imac $1999

[Rod Rod]

Originally posted by agentmouthwash
a G5 imac would be amazing, but it would hurt Powerbook sales.

I was not even considering an iMac when I got my PowerBook.

besides that, a Mac sale is a Mac sale, so if someone with a wheeled luggage cart buys an iMac, instead of buying a PowerBook (which fits in a backpack or briefcase), that person has just bought a Mac.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by Rod Rod
I was not even considering an iMac when I got my PowerBook.

besides that, a Mac sale is a Mac sale, so if someone with a wheeled luggage cart buys an iMac, instead of buying a PowerBook (which fits in a backpack or briefcase), that person has just bought a Mac. thank you, the two are total different markets one has nothing to do with the other, they should simply make each machine the best they can. and this is for macshark, they have the g4 nestled in the bottom of the imac and it doesnt get very much airflow. the drive is right on top of it. surprised they could even do it. a G5 imac would have to be a all new design to get some air around those componets. I still think all we will see is a big ipod/mini ipod push come the 20th.

[stockscalper]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
George has lied to us about WMD's, has squandered away the Surplus we had, and now wants to make Millions of illegals U.S. citizens? am i missing something?
D

Yes, you have the name wrong.







His name is SCRUB!!!!!! And somewhere in Texas a village is missing their idiot :p :p :p :D :D :D :D




Oh, and new Powerbooks would be nice on Monday

[hughdogg]

Originally posted by Krizoitz
but seriously does the average person have THAT much of an aversion to Mac's that they can't see how slow and useless they are? Oh well, more PowerMac G5 fun for me! Now if only I could get them to donate one to my room...

You have to remember most people who use computers (i.e. - the rest of the world - not those of us who surf computer websites and post to computer discussion boards) are very uncomfortable with computers..

Her is a little discussion I had with my wife who had to use my iMac in our home office while her work PC laptop was being replaced,

Her: "It freaks me out not knowing where to click."

Me: "Did you figure it out in a minute or two?"

Her: "Yes."

Me: "Were you able to work on your Word files, and send them to your coworkers?"

Her: "Yes"

Me: "So what's the problem?"

Her: "I don't know, I'm just used to, what I'm used to." (I hope she doesn't say the same thing about me.:eek: )

To make a long story short, if you could handcuff someone to a Mac for 30 minutes, they would probably see that it works just fine...that's why the Apple retail stores are such a good idea...forget the switcher campaign, being able to lay hands on a Mac and use it for a while is huge. That's why I switched!

Cheers,
hughdogg

[agentmouthwash]

Originally posted by Rod Rod
I was not even considering an iMac when I got my PowerBook.

besides that, a Mac sale is a Mac sale, so if someone with a wheeled luggage cart buys an iMac, instead of buying a PowerBook (which fits in a backpack or briefcase), that person has just bought a Mac.


I do agree with you 100%. I bought a G4 Powerbook when I knew the G5 Powermac was out.

I was just saying.,. I wonder that's what Apple is going to do so they don't confuse the public with that models are PRO and what models are CONSUMER. Either way, it's a mac and the more mac users the better.

www.dorchestra.com

[ronntaylor]

Originally posted by Krizoitz
So true, I attend the University of Washington and we have various computer labs on campus. You have to log-in to use the computer, it does clean up, standardizes all the files, etc. On the PowerMacs(G5's baby!) Login takes about a minute. On the PC's (Dull's) it takes 5 minutes, sometimes more just to log in. Logging out takes longer on the PC's too.

The best part is that there is usually no line waiting to use the Mac's even though there are about 1/2 to 1/3 as many as the PC's, but there is always a line of people waiting to use those Dell's, usually just for internet and e-mail!

I can understand individuals who need specific apps or hard core gamers, but seriously does the average person have THAT much of an aversion to Mac's that they can't see how slow and useless they are? Oh well, more PowerMac G5 fun for me! Now if only I could get them to donate one to my room...

Nearly 15 years ago I went to the computer labs at Hunter College and all the Windoze-based PCs were occupied with at least a 30 minute waiting period. I reluctantly went to the Mac lab and have been in love with Apple ever since. I regret any time I have to use anything but a Mac. Even when my better half got a "top of the line" Windoze-based PC, I shook my head. They just are not intuitive and require so many extra steps. (Not to mention that those boxes are usually sooo fugly!)

Until they're exposed to Macs and have understanding, willing teachers to assist them, they won't ever try a Mac unless they have to. It's a shame.

[Waluigi]

Originally posted by Stike
when everything was announced that the people cheered and I said to someone "Hey, NeatGekko was right!!"... :rolleyes:

;) :D

HAHAHAHAHA! NeatGekko was right!! That is just too funny!

--Waluigi

[jnasato]

If Apple does release something special, I hope that they price it fairly- or even at a bargain price- because we all know what happened with the Cube...

[MacEyeDoc]

Originally posted by jnasato
If Apple does release something special, I hope that they price it fairly- or even at a bargain price- because we all know what happened with the Cube...

I was thinking about that - Apple never said they had discontinued the cube, only that the were suspending production of it. So could they build an "iCube" for the 20th Anniversary mac with a 1.6 GHz G5?

[appleface]

i'd be surprised if the new release did not include G5 powerbooks running on 90nm.

[jade]

too soon for g5 powerbooks...many retailers are barely getting good stock of current powerbooks.

[desdomg]

I would have thought that an Apple "event" would have been more indicative of a new product launch - promo materials usually follow an announcement not precede it.

[Scottgfx]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
George has lied to us about WMD's, has squandered away the Surplus we had, and now wants to make Millions of illegals U.S. citizens? am i missing something?

Yes.

[the future]

Originally posted by Waluigi
HAHAHAHAHA! NeatGekko was right!! That is just too funny!

--Waluigi

He *was* right about the iPod mini price, though...

[Dreadnought]

I ordered my dual G5 1.8 on 8 December 2003. Waited and waited, I thought I could have it in my Christmasbreak from work. After my short holiday at the beginning of the second week of January, I contacted my dealer, who said: "Production has just started and we aren't expecting your mac for another three weeks". That was a serious bummer... So, with all these rumors going around, I really hope that they put in a little bit more then 1.8's! With a bit of luck, I have my precious next week, or the week after that!!

BTW, I had it build to order, nothing special, no superdrive, no modem and put bluetooth in it. That's all. On the Apple site it says it takes 5-7 days. Or could it be that I have ordered a Dr. Bott ADC to VGA adapter with it? On the Apple site it says that takes up to three weeks...

[Stike]

Originally posted by Waluigi
HAHAHAHAHA! NeatGekko was right!! That is just too funny!

--Waluigi
You want him to be right, too, don´t you? ;)

[pkradd]

Fred Anderson did not say a $999 iMac was coming. He opined that the sweet spot is under $1000 and that is why iMac sales were flat or slightly down. The eMac is below $1000 (in some configs). Reading into something that someone doesn't say.... well, I guess this is the place. They did mention that component prices are down, however.

Apple changes the graphics at their stores on a regular basis. Nothing new here.

[desdomg]

pkradd, agreed.

Which begs the question - if Apple are to launche a 20th Anniversary product around the 24th how will they do it?

Will they just update the website?

Will they hold a press conference?


Seems like without an event the likelihood of an announcement is pretty poor.

[appleface]

i thought i read something about apple wanting to make their 12" powerbook stand out from its 12" ibook. could the the dually powerbook release be drawing near? what are the thoughts on the powerbooks? will apple bring out a dual G4 or jump to the G5?

[masterjedi73]

Originally posted by jnasato
If Apple does release something special, I hope that they price it fairly- or even at a bargain price- because we all know what happened with the Cube...

What happened with the cube? I wasn't around for Macs then...I'm new! I didn't even know about a cube until two days ago. lol

[aswitcher]

Given this rumor of the 20th, could this actually be a week of releases starting Tuesday until the 24th and anniversary proper?

G5s PM on one day, iMacs on another, eMacs on another etc?

Wishful thinking...

Jason

[pkradd]

Originally posted by desdomg
pkradd, agreed.

Which begs the question - if Apple are to launche a 20th Anniversary product around the 24th how will they do it?

Will they just update the website?

Will they hold a press conference?


Seems like without an event the likelihood of an announcement is pretty poor.

Well January 24 is a Saturday and Apple does not have special events or announcements on Saturdays. They do offer product on sale for the first time on a Friday or Saturday but have always announced it in advance. A special event means inviting press and that means mid-week or thereabouts I'd say. There is a whole year in front of us for new product and Apple will spread this out over the next 11 months. Next big announcment, the week that the iPod mini is introduced, may be iTMS for other countries.

[rainman::|:|]

Originally posted by masterjedi73
What happened with the cube? I wasn't around for Macs then...I'm new! I didn't even know about a cube until two days ago. lol

short version: when steve jobs came back to apple, he implemented a 4-square approach to systems, a pro and consumer model each for desktops and laptops (respectively PowerMac, iMac, Powerbook, iBook). Then they threw in the cube, which was basically a headless iMac priced like a PowerMac. The good news is that it proved Job's 4-square plan was solid; the bad news is it did this by failing miserably. People were just not inclined to buy a G4 with almost no expandability because it was cool. That said, there are a lot of cube cultists out there, i myself want one very badly. When Apple killed the cube, they "put it on ice", saying that it wasn't necessarily dead for good. which has fueled speculation to this day that it will be coming back. personally, i doubt this, but if there's a 20th anniversary edition Mac coming out, my guess is it would have the cube form factor.

paul

[cubist]

They just priced the Cube too high. It is a shrunken tower, not a headless iMac. It was originally priced at $1795. When the price dropped to $1295, sales improved (I bought mine), but the machine was already being discontinued.

A G5 Cube, if one comes out, needs to be priced below the 1.6 tower. It ought to be around $1399.

A G5 iMac at $1999 won't sell, either. That's just too much money. I can get a faster tower and a non-Apple display for considerably less.

Coupling screen size with processor (e.g. G5 only on 20") is so transparently artificial... that we almost expect it, don't we :mad:

Don't Hurt Me and others are always pointing out that the iMac is expensive for its performance (dollars per xbench point, shall we say?). But Apple's displays are worse.

[coumerelli]

Originally posted by pkradd
Well January 24 is a Saturday and Apple does not have special events or announcements on Saturdays. They do offer product on sale for the first time on a Friday or Saturday but have always announced it in advance. A special event means inviting press and that means mid-week or thereabouts I'd say. There is a whole year in front of us for new product and Apple will spread this out over the next 11 months. Next big announcment, the week that the iPod mini is introduced, may be iTMS for other countries.

but...wasn't it last year that apple introduced Shake on a Sunday? The LDC iMacs were introduced on Monday (MWSF). iTunes for Windows was, what, Wednesday or Thurdsay...we ALL know that Tuesday is super common for new stuff. And don't forget that BOTH Pather and Jaguar were let out on Fridays.

So, I have no problem expecting something to come out on a Saturday - especially on such an 'important' day as the 20th Anniversary.

[sedarby]

Originally posted by cubist
They just priced the Cube too high. It is a shrunken tower, not a headless iMac. It was originally priced at $1795. When the price dropped to $1295, sales improved (I bought mine), but the machine was already being discontinued.

A G5 Cube, if one comes out, needs to be priced below the 1.6 tower. It ought to be around $1399.

A G5 iMac at $1999 won't sell, either. That's just too much money. I can get a faster tower and a non-Apple display for considerably less.

Coupling screen size with processor (e.g. G5 only on 20") is so transparently artificial... that we almost expect it, don't we :mad:

Don't Hurt Me and others are always pointing out that the iMac is expensive for its performance (dollars per xbench point, shall we say?). But Apple's displays are worse.

First of all, the Cubes problem was not just the price. It had a vertical feed drive which was bizarre at best and the problem was the cables fed under the bottom. Although attractive with the touch sensitive power button it was a disaster ergonomically. Form took over function and although it would make a lovely museum piece it was not realistic especially if you have to switch out devices because those ports were not conveniently placed at all.

I applaud Apples efforts to stay on the cutting edge of design but sometimes you have to consider how a person will be using said device.

Cube loyalists will undeniably object to my arguments but if you open your mind just a little you will see what a disaster the cube shape is unless you allow for it to be used in a more desireable fashion.

[panphage]

Originally posted by sedarby
First of all, the Cubes problem was not just the price. It had a vertical feed drive which was bizarre at best and the problem was the cables fed under the bottom. Although attractive with the touch sensitive power button it was a disaster ergonomically. Form took over function and although it would make a lovely museum piece it was not realistic especially if you have to switch out devices because those ports were not conveniently placed at all.

I applaud Apples efforts to stay on the cutting edge of design but sometimes you have to consider how a person will be using said device.

Cube loyalists will undeniably object to my arguments but if you open your mind just a little you will see what a disaster the cube shape is unless you allow for it to be used in a more desireable fashion.

Ok, I'm a cube fanatic:
The vertical drive: No problem.
Cords on the bottom: This is minor suckage. I think apple wanted us to set it up and leave it, and use the usb ports on the keyboard and monitor, the cube was advertised and meant to be used with an Apple monitor with the ADC connection and extra usb ports. But where was the firewire? Under the damn cube.

What *really* killed the cube was the windows-centric media conspiring with Apple's outrageous price scheme. People just weren't willing to pay for quiet and elegance like steve thought they would. And then apple-bashing media hinted that the cube was useless because it lacked expandability. This turns out to be hogwash but consumers ate the lies up (the same consumers who wouldn't actually dream of actually expanding their computer but hell, tell someone a computer lacks something and suggest that it's cool or vital, and people will say, "Heck, that thing doesn't even have X" dismissively, ignoring that they have no use whatsoever for X) and the cube died.

Another great point someone over at cubeowner (I think...) made, was that apple's marketing for the Cube was off. They marketed it as a mainstream, mass-market headless pro machine when it was actually a niche fetishist machine. Some people (Steve Jobs) HATE having fans in their computers. I happen to be one of them, and I honestly don't find that the stock chip and bus, slow as they are supposed to be, slow me down at all. For science, pro video, and so on, yes, but for photoshop, coding, and my other web-centric stuff, it's fine. The G5 is MUCH better at photoshop, but I don't miss my 1.6ghz Athlon AT ALL. :D

[BobVB]

Originally posted by sedarby
First of all, the Cubes problem was not just the price.

...

Cube loyalists will undeniably object to my arguments but if you open your mind just a little you will see what a disaster the cube shape is unless you allow for it to be used in a more desireable fashion.

But that isn't what made them not sell - those are all 'after purchase' problems that would crop up.

I was doing the Apple 'demo' days at the time and to get a cube with an Apple display (and since it was a show piece who was going to use anything BUT an Apple display with it?) was $2400!!! This for a virtually unexpandable computer as powerful as the low end PowerMac but more expensive. Everyone loved to look at them but no iMac customer could afford it and no PowerMac customer could afford the design limitations. So they got looked at (and sighed at) quite a bit, but not a one was sold on my watch.

The Cube needed to be a high end iMac replacement and the price (with monitor) had to reflect that. For that market most of your problems are unimportant - once it was set up no cables would be moved, no configuration changes would be made. A few design problems would need tweaking with the revision 2, but the number of customers with deep pockets and low tech needs just wasn't big enough to make them sell at CompUSA and so it never got that far.

Now with lower monitor prices maybe they could do it - but with the stellar design of the iMac now, most of the customers would be nostalgia-based, and could you even cool a modern GHz G4 or G5 with convection heat anyway?

I would have bought one at the time if I was rich, but I really think the moment has passed for their return and it wouldn't make 'good business sense' for Apple to do it for a small 'anniversary' run.

[Flyers486]

The cube, for me, has always been something I wanted, but could never get for the various limitations already talked about. However, I think that the birth of the G5 (and the movement to the 90 nano process) will allow the cube to flourish in the middle of Apple's desktop line up. The eMac is dead, design and sales wise, and, thus, should be discontinued. Display prices have lessened and iMacs should be able to drop in price considerably. Here is my proposed new desktop lineup, including updated G5 towers:

iMac G4

All 1.33 ghz G4
15.2 inch widescreen- 799$
17 inch widescreen - 1299$
20 inch widescreen - 1799$

Cube G5

2.0 ghz G5- 1199$
2.3 ghz G5- 1699$
2.6 ghz G5- 1999$

PowerMac G5

Dual 2.0 ghz G5- 1999$
Dual 2.3 ghz G5- 2499$
Dual 2.6 ghz G5- 2999$

Now I don't know how much money Apple will make off of these machines, but I don't think that is important. Apple seems to be modifying their profit strategy from computer sales centric to software and accessory profits. What is impotant for Apple, at this point, is establishing a greater installed base. I feel this lineup, along with new displays, will generate the type of excitement necessary to make those sales. Making this sort of announcement on the 20th of January could lead to a renewed interest in the rebirth of a computer company.

[mxpiazza]

Originally posted by agentmouthwash
I do agree with you 100%. I bought a G4 Powerbook when I knew the G5 Powermac was out.

I was just saying.,. I wonder that's what Apple is going to do so they don't confuse the public with that models are PRO and what models are CONSUMER. Either way, it's a mac and the more mac users the better.

www.dorchestra.com
well, at least at the apple store at easton town center, there are labels on the celing that say "pro" and "consumer" :D

[BagelTycoon]

Originally posted by jade
too soon for g5 powerbooks...many retailers are barely getting good stock of current powerbooks.

I tend to agree with Appleface.

If retailers aren't getting stocked up with new powerbooks, it could be that G4s are being phased out and G5s powerbooks will hit the shelves soon.

That, combined with a recent dumping this week of lots of refurbed powerbooks on the Apple refurbed store site (something that seems to happen a lot to Apple product a lot just before new product comes on the market) suggest that G5 powerbooks (maybe 15" an 17", but not 12") will be launched this week.

[wdlove]

I'm impressed by the lineup of new Mac's that Flyers486 has listed. Would also like to see listed the updated Cinema Display. Very happy that Apple is such a great manufacture of the Mac. If it all goes as predicted, then MWSF will just be a distant memory.

I spoke with the Genius at my local Apple Store. He said that he was not aware of any changes to the store for Tuesday night. "There isn't anything back there."

[lind0834]

paulwhannel -

If SJ is still pushing the 4-square Market thing, where does the eMac fit in?

[Rod Rod]

Originally posted by lind0834
paulwhannel -

If SJ is still pushing the 4-square Market thing, where does the eMac fit in?

the four-square thing is three-dimensional now. it's a cube.

(with three missing corners)

[stingerman]

If Apple releases a cube I think they will avoid putting Mac in the name, maybe just call it iCube or something. Use OS X and be a full home media device, PVR and include game controllers..

[Rod Rod]

Originally posted by stingerman
If Apple releases a cube I think they will avoid putting Mac in the name, maybe just call it iCube or something. Use OS X and be a full home media device, PVR and include game controllers..

Shuttle Mac! (like Shuttle PC, get it?)

or, G5 mini!

[Kurt]

Maybe no new products at all. Apple could just be celebrating the 20th anniversary with posters and displays.

Not as much fun as new products but certainly possible.

[WisdomPro]

Hi,

Anyone got ideas of when the updates on the apple store will be done? Ive ordered a 1.8 G5 and its been delayed so much. I have asked Apple and they said that if a new one comes out soon they will upgrade me.

waiting to see what comes up... whats the latest they will be doing the update on?

Thankz...

[TranceClubMusic]

Its the 19th and nothing has changed.
I bet nothing on the 20th or this month PERIOD. :o

[dschwab]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Its the 19th and nothing has changed.
I bet nothing on the 20th or this month PERIOD. :o

It's a little early to make that call.
a) it's barely the start of business on the 19th, and not even that late at Apple HQ
b) the speculation was that the changes would be happening afterhours in preparation for the 20th
c) if the above is true, we wouldn't see any changes happen to the website until the 20th as it takes only a few minutes to put a new page on a site

[wdlove]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Its the 19th and nothing has changed.
I bet nothing on the 20th or this month PERIOD. :o

We should not be pessimistic just yet, TranceClubMusic! If the rumor is correct the changes to the Apple Stores will be made after closing today. So we won't know what it all means for another 21 hours from now. It take Steve at his word, "this is the 20th Anniversary of Mac and there is alot more to come." Just don't see him letting this momentous occasion pass with something awesome. History says that Steve likes to release major items on a Tuesday.

Please please be patient!
;)

[Foxer]

Originally posted by ronntaylor
Nearly 15 years ago I went to the computer labs at Hunter College and all the Windoze-based PCs were occupied with at least a 30 minute waiting period. I reluctantly went to the Mac lab and have been in love with Apple ever since. I regret any time I have to use anything but a Mac. Even when my better half got a "top of the line" Windoze-based PC, I shook my head. They just are not intuitive and require so many extra steps. (Not to mention that those boxes are usually sooo fugly!)


I know it's off-topic, but I fiond your post interesting based on my experiences.

When I was in undergrad (89-92) at Univ. of Mich, we had what was known as "The Fishbowl," which was (at the time) the nation's largest college computing center. The breakdown was something like 9:1 mac:ibm. When exam time rolled around, the wait time for Macs ran into the hours, despite the proponderence of those machines. I never once, in all my time there, had to wait for a PC. How times have changed.

When I arrived at college, all my experience was on Apples (either Apple II or Mac), but my father forced me to buy a PC rather than a Mac for schoolwork. (A wise call, actually.) Becoming adept at Windows 2.0 and the Wintel world at that early time gave me some valuable survival skills, since that's all I've ever been given to use professionally. (Aside from some total crap Wangs while I was a federal employee). It makes my time at home, with my Macs, even more relaxing.

If I had to do WORK on a Mac, I might not be so favorably disposed to them.

REGARDLESS, I'd like to see some updates at the Apple Store. Starting with the hopeless members of the floor staff. Send them back to The Buckle.

[numediaman]

I took a quick peek inside a local Apple Store this afternoon.

When no one was looking I slipped into the back room. They had giant posters ready to be displayed. I don't know what most of them said, but the biggest one read "Reintroducing LISA!"

Guess that ends any hope of any G5 speedbumps for a while.

[breakaway1029]

HOLY $H1T!. Lisa, from what I have read, was pretty much the first affordable apple mac with a gui. Seems like a new iMac to me, or a whole new line of affordable machines. Maybe renaming eMac to LISA? Whatever it is, this seems like something that is gonna be ****** huge!

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by numediaman
When no one was looking I slipped into the back room. They had giant posters ready to be displayed. I don't know what most of them said, but the biggest one read "Reintroducing LISA!"

I'll be surprised about this....the fact that they didn't catch you and the fact that they were just sitting out for you to see.

We'll know tomorrow....

D

[pjkelnhofer]

Originally posted by numediaman
When no one was looking I slipped into the back room. They had giant posters ready to be displayed. I don't know what most of them said, but the biggest one read "Reintroducing LISA!"


I am assuming this is a joke.
Is it?

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Its the 19th and nothing has changed.
I bet nothing on the 20th or this month PERIOD. :o
You're hosed, man. :cool:

As I reported in another thread, Small Dog now has 71 units of the lower priced 1.8 IN STOCK. (oops, 70, looks like one just sold)

http://www.smalldog.com/category/x/x/Power+Macintosh/g5+minitower/wag100/wag10000/

G5/1.8GHz 512/160/SuperDrive/GeForce 5200/56k = $1799

So, since Apple DOES NOT DISCOUNT NEW UNITS, how would you explain double the ram, double the HD, and 12% faster processer than the 1.6 that's available today, for the same price?

Only answer - NEW G5's.....

[numediaman]

Did I say Lisa?

Oops, I meant Diesel. Apple introduces the first line of diesel powered Macs -- thereby dodging certain clean air standards in California (you no longer will have to take your Mac in every three years to get smog checked).

Listen guys, if we are to get speed bumps tomorrow (which I doubt) I expect to learn about it through a quiet little press release. Sadl, I suspect any store redesigns are being installed to celebrate the 20th Anniversary of the Mac, not for any blow-out new products. (I hope I'm wrong, of course.)

EDIT: Does Trance work for Ashcroft? -- he wants me banned.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by numediaman
Did I say Lisa?

Oops, I meant Diesel. Apple introduces the first line of diesel powered Macs -- thereby dodging certain clean air standards in California (you no longer will have to take your Mac in every three years to get smog checked).

Listen guys, if we are to get speed bumps tomorrow (which I doubt) I expect to learn about it through a quiet little press release. Sadl, I suspect any store redesigns are being installed to celebrate the 20th Anniversary of the Mac, not for any blow-out new products. (I hope I'm wrong, of course.)

Dude, How can you mistake "LISA" for "DIESEL" - and it this is a cute joke I hope you get BANNED.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
You're hosed, man. :cool:

As I reported in another thread, Small Dog now has 71 units of the lower priced 1.8 IN STOCK. (oops, 70, looks like one just sold)

http://www.smalldog.com/category/x/x/Power+Macintosh/g5+minitower/wag100/wag10000/

G5/1.8GHz 512/160/SuperDrive/GeForce 5200/56k = $1799

So, since Apple DOES NOT DISCOUNT NEW UNITS, how would you explain double the ram, double the HD, and 12% faster processer than the 1.6 that's available today, for the same price?

Only answer - NEW G5's.....

Old news - every online retailer is doing this. Please dont say this is the 20th Anniversary Surprise:rolleyes:

[Trowaman]

Originally posted by numediaman
Did I say Lisa?

Oops, I meant Diesel. Apple introduces the first line of diesel powered Macs -- thereby dodging certain clean air standards in California (you no longer will have to take your Mac in every three years to get smog checked).

Listen guys, if we are to get speed bumps tomorrow (which I doubt) I expect to learn about it through a quiet little press release. Sadl, I suspect any store redesigns are being installed to celebrate the 20th Anniversary of the Mac, not for any blow-out new products. (I hope I'm wrong, of course.)

EDIT: Does Trance work for Ashcroft? -- he wants me banned.


For a second, I was happy. Then I realised I was the victem of a cruel joke. I second the banning.

[Stike]

:D ROTFL :D

The LISA joke was great, keep ém coming! Ban everyone else! ;) LOL

[Centurion]

New mac tomorrow I bet....

“20/20” the perfect vision. A 20th anniversary mac released on the 20th.

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Old news - every online retailer is doing this. Please dont say this is the 20th Anniversary Surprise:rolleyes:
This thread is about the fact that the Apple store will change on Jan 20, not that the 20th Anniversary Mac will come out tomorrow.

"Sources familiar with Apple Retail's Graphics and Visuals plans have indicated that January 19 or 20 will bring an updated look to at least some of the graphics in the U.S. retail stores and the possibility of new products to go along with these visual changes."

You say it won't happen (for what reason????)

So I support the rumor, buy showing that:

1. There is currently an offical Apple retailer, shipping units which it has today in stock, that are significantly discounted from the Jan. 19 retail price.

2. Note that Apple DOES NOT allow official retailers to discount current models.

3. Then ask you how you can account for these discounted priced units, and if there is any other expanation than new units on the Apple web site tomorrow?

And you roll YOUR eyes?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Anonymous Freak]

Originally posted by breakaway1029
HOLY $H1T!. Lisa, from what I have read, was pretty much the first affordable apple mac with a gui. Seems like a new iMac to me, or a whole new line of affordable machines. Maybe renaming eMac to LISA? Whatever it is, this seems like something that is gonna be ****** huge!

Okay, the Lisa thing was obviously a joke. Come on... Besides, this is the 20th anniversary of the Macintosh, not the Lisa. (They are two distinctly separate product lines!)

And the Lisa was by NOBODYS measure affordable. It came out a year before the Macintosh for $10,000. It had a 5MHz processor, 1MB of RAM, two 870kB disk drives (with an optional 5 or 10MB hard drive,) and a bigger screen. The Macintosh, a year later, had an 8MHz processor, 128kB of RAM, a single 400kB disk drive, and a smaller screen. The Macintosh was $2500 at introduction.

The Macintosh was a cheaper, lesser computer. But it was 'revolutionary' because it was cheaper. (At the same time, the Lisa was changed so that it had a single Mac-compatible 400kB drive, dropped in price, and re-named the Lisa 2. Later still, the Lisa added Macintosh compatibility (in the form of the 'MacWorks' OS,) and was renamed to the Macintosh XL.) The Lisa originally ran 'Lisa OS', the Macintosh ran the 'Macintosh System'. They were different, and incompatible. Even though they looked and acted similar. (Lisa OS was written in C, and was slow and a memory hog. Macintosh System was written in assembly, and fast and didn't require much memory, which was good considering the Macintosh only had 1/8 as much RAM as the Lisa.

[Peyote]

What if on the 20th, they introduced the 20th anniversary mac, with a 20 inch screen....hehe



I expect to see minor speed bumps and *maybe* a 20th anniv edition powermac.

[Rod Rod]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
So I support the rumor, buy showing that:

1. There is currently an offical Apple retailer, shipping units which it has today in stock, that are significantly discounted from the Jan. 19 retail price.

2. Note that Apple DOES NOT allow official retailers to discount current models.

3. Then ask you how you can account for these discounted priced units, and if there is any other expanation than new units on the Apple web site tomorrow?

And you roll YOUR eyes?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Apple isn't selling new 1.8GHz single-processor G5s so your whole argument has no basis. In other words, the single 1.8 G5 is not a current model, so other retailers' discounts don't prove anything.

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by Rod Rod
Apple isn't selling new 1.8GHz single-processor G5s so your whole argument has no basis. In other words, the single 1.8 G5 is not a current model, so other retailers' discounts don't prove anything.
You're exactly right that this IS NOT A CURRENT MODEL, but that only proves my point.

WOW. I sure as hell wouldn't want to debug the code hammered out by this group, given the serious lack of logic in some of these responses.

Let's take this a little slower.

The question in this thread is will the Apple Store update on Jan. 20, and relatedly, when will Apple update it's current G5 models - 1.6, D1.8, D2.0.

Some have expressed doubt that it will happen this month. I (and others) have cited the fact that starting tomorrow Apple begins dumping NEW (not reconditioned) units models, in configurations not currently available, THAT SPEC OUT BETTER THAN WHAT IS ON THEIR WEB SITE AS OF JAN.19.

So, since Apple does not allow retailers to discount their current line there are ONLY 2 possibilities.

1. Apple will release new G5's on Jan. 20, and will begin moving their over-stocked and discontinued CPUs on the same date through the discount mail-order / web site retailers.

2. Apple decided to dump NEW, full warranty machines to these discounters on Jan. 20 that have more RAM, TWICE the HD space, and a FASTER PROCESSOR than their own current models without upgrading their own product line. They have decided on this new strategy, which has never happened before in the history of Apple, solely for the purpose of cannibalizing their own web site sales.

So if my "whole argument has no basis", I take it you are a proponent of proposition #2?

[Rod Rod]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
I (and others) have cited the fact that starting tomorrow Apple begins dumping NEW (not reconditioned) units models, in configurations not currently available, THAT SPEC OUT BETTER THAN WHAT IS ON THEIR WEB SITE AS OF JAN.19.

what fact, and where? you've provided no such fact. all we have is optimistic speculation, and yes this is a rumors site and that's fair, but don't call it fact.

They have decided on this new strategy, which has never happened before in the history of Apple, solely for the purpose of cannibalizing their own web site sales.

enough already with the cannibalization myth. a Mac sale is a Mac sale. it's not a zero sum game.

[joeconvert]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Its the 19th and nothing has changed.
I bet nothing on the 20th or this month PERIOD. :o

Seconded!

[MrMacMan]

I'm not hold my breath for anything magnificent.

Anyway you think is dozens of Apple Stores had posters of whatever, ONE guy would leak the story.

I mean come on.

A Small G5 change?

Sure?

A new product?

ehh.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Rod Rod
Apple isn't selling new 1.8GHz single-processor G5s so your whole argument has no basis. In other words, the single 1.8 G5 is not a current model, so other retailers' discounts don't prove anything.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Discounts on SP 1.8 mean nothing..........:D

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
You're exactly right that this IS NOT A CURRENT MODEL, but that only proves my point.

WOW. I sure as hell wouldn't want to debug the code hammered out by this group, given the serious lack of logic in some of these responses.

Let's take this a little slower.

The question in this thread is will the Apple Store update on Jan. 20, and relatedly, when will Apple update it's current G5 models - 1.6, D1.8, D2.0.

Some have expressed doubt that it will happen this month. I (and others) have cited the fact that starting tomorrow Apple begins dumping NEW (not reconditioned) units models, in configurations not currently available, THAT SPEC OUT BETTER THAN WHAT IS ON THEIR WEB SITE AS OF JAN.19.

So, since Apple does not allow retailers to discount their current line there are ONLY 2 possibilities.

1. Apple will release new G5's on Jan. 20, and will begin moving their over-stocked and discontinued CPUs on the same date through the discount mail-order / web site retailers.

2. Apple decided to dump NEW, full warranty machines to these discounters on Jan. 20 that have more RAM, TWICE the HD space, and a FASTER PROCESSOR than their own current models without upgrading their own product line. They have decided on this new strategy, which has never happened before in the history of Apple, solely for the purpose of cannibalizing their own web site sales.

So if my "whole argument has no basis", I take it you are a proponent of proposition #2?


OK.......I'm gonna take this really really slow (like hours) It's 9:30PM EST January 19 - I bet on the 20 - Your #1 will be tossed aside - cause its been happening for weeks - #2 wont happen PERIOD.
We all have our opinions and this is a great forum to express ourselves - lets just say when I wake up in the morning tomorrow - I can bet you - I will HAVE to say.... I told you so
:rolleyes:

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Rod Rod
Apple isn't selling new 1.8GHz single-processor G5s so your whole argument has no basis. In other words, the single 1.8 G5 is not a current model, so other retailers' discounts don't prove anything.

Woooooooot!!:D

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
You're exactly right that this IS NOT A CURRENT MODEL, but that only proves my point.

WOW. I sure as hell wouldn't want to debug the code hammered out by this group, given the serious lack of logic in some of these responses.


Speaking of serious lack of logic ...


Let's take this a little slower.

The question in this thread is will the Apple Store update on Jan. 20, and relatedly, when will Apple update it's current G5 models - 1.6, D1.8, D2.0.

Some have expressed doubt that it will happen this month. I (and others) have cited the fact that starting tomorrow Apple begins dumping NEW (not reconditioned) units models, in configurations not currently available, THAT SPEC OUT BETTER THAN WHAT IS ON THEIR WEB SITE AS OF JAN.19.


You have no proof of this. You point to a reseller who is offering 1.8GHz single processor G5's for $1799. These are, as has been pointed out, no longer current models, and so, yes, are on "fire-sale" status.

Look, instead, at the current models (1.6GHz SP, 1.8GHz DP, 2.0GHz DP) on that same site. No alarming numbers there at all.

Thus, you are starting with a flawed "fact" and hence reaching unsupported conclusions.

I'm betting that you didn't notice the 1.8GHz G5 didn't say "DP" next to it, right?


So, since Apple does not allow retailers to discount their current line there are ONLY 2 possibilities.

1. Apple will release new G5's on Jan. 20, and will begin moving their over-stocked and discontinued CPUs on the same date through the discount mail-order / web site retailers.


Apple has shown, time and again, that they give NO advance notice to resellers of a line change. They do not offer units at lower-than-advertised prices to resellers for an line-change event. They will, often, stop shipping units well in advance of such a change so that resellers have a low inventory when the change occurs, but that's as close as Apple has gotten to signalling a new model/speed bump in their line to resellers in the last several years.

Please realize that you are coming to absurd conclusions. When all you are left with are impossible choices, you can either just accept the least impossible one, or instead re-examine your assumptions and data points to see if, just perhaps, you went off track somewhere.

Several individuals have tried to point out the fundamental first-fact flaw in your argument, and you rewarded them with this blustery reply. Please reconsider.


2. Apple decided to dump NEW, full warranty machines to these discounters on Jan. 20 that have more RAM, TWICE the HD space, and a FASTER PROCESSOR than their own current models without upgrading their own product line. They have decided on this new strategy, which has never happened before in the history of Apple, solely for the purpose of cannibalizing their own web site sales.

So if my "whole argument has no basis", I take it you are a proponent of proposition #2?

Nice straw man.

When he said your argument has no basis he was speaking of the fact that your assertion regarding cut-rate 1.8GHz PowerMacs from resellers was incorrect. Since that is the fact upon which your entire argument rests, your argument has no basis.

You read the web site wrong, or didn't realise that Apple's machines have two procs in them these days, not one.

This much has been stated at least twice here.

Note, of course, that this doesn't mean there won't be new Macs tomorrow/today (or the next day, or the next...). It just means that your "proof" is not valid, and that there is just as much of a chance of new Macs tomorrow as there always was.

[jnasato]

Haha... This is funny.

Let's all hug and make up now. That sounds like more fun than arguing about rumors.
...Frickin' RUMORS!

"Ooh, Anne is cheating on Charles!"
Fine.
But then, "No she's not, because she was in my Physics class at University, and I know her like a sister! PLUS, she's discounting 1.8GHz G5!!!"
"The duals?"
"No, I don't care, the hell with you, I know Anne, and she wouldn't cheat on ol' Charles!"

The best thing anyone could end their post with here is info that they secretly work for Apple, or, "Let's just wait and see."

Let's do that.
Or murder eachothers' families, instead.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by dschwab
It's a little early to make that call.
a) it's barely the start of business on the 19th, and not even that late at Apple HQ
b) the speculation was that the changes would be happening afterhours in preparation for the 20th
c) if the above is true, we wouldn't see any changes happen to the website until the 20th as it takes only a few minutes to put a new page on a site


Told you - Nothing :rolleyes:

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
"Sources familiar with Apple Retail's Graphics and Visuals plans have indicated that January 19 or 20 will bring an updated look to at least some of the graphics in the U.S. retail stores and the possibility of new products to go along with these visual changes."
You say it won't happen (for what reason????)

Sorry New Graphics are on the Web Page! Its the NEW Pespsi Promo! WOW! Just what Ive been waiting for! Im so excited! Pespi and Mini-iPods - NOW THATS AN ANNIVERSARY!!!
:rolleyes:

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Sorry New Graphics are on the Web Page! Its the NEW Pespsi Promo! WOW! Just what Ive been waiting for! Im so excited! Pespi and Mini-iPods - NOW THATS AN ANNIVERSARY!!!
:rolleyes:

Its not technically the anniversary - that's the 24th. Try and relax a little here, ok?

This is a rumor site, sprinkled with a little speculation. Not everything is going to be right 100% of the time. If someone knew that there was going to be an update on 20th - even if its just the Pepsi Music Deal, well, that's fine. All the talk about new machines is speculation, along with the knowledge that we're really close to the Anniversary and Tuesdays are the day for announcements, generally.

We'll be seeing new hardware soon enough, just be patient, ok?

D

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by jettredmont
Speaking of serious lack of logic ...

Man! I just LOVE the way you write! Took the words right out of my mouth! :D

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Its not technically the anniversary - that's the 24th. Try and relax a little here, ok? ......... just be patient, ok?D

Sorry, I'm trying to replax - I just took a Valium ;)
Now the 20th - Nothing
Next is the "Its NOT technically the anniversary" excuse
then.....................
Its next Tuesday
then..................
Its on Super Bowl
then............

Thats it I cant take it!!!!
Gonna cut my wrist now :p

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Sorry, I'm trying to replax - I just took a Valium ;)

Obviously its not working - things will happen when they happen (profound, I know :p ).

But you don't have to take it on yourself to point out to everyone who's wrong. It gets a bit tiring. If you want to discuss things, that's fine.

Thanks,

D

[Foxer]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Sorry, I'm trying to replax - I just took a Valium ;)
Now the 20th - Nothing
Next is the "Its NOT technically the anniversary" excuse
then.....................
Its next Tuesday
then..................
Its on Super Bowl
then............

Thats it I cant take it!!!!
Gonna cut my wrist now :p


Woah. Try some decaf, Gunga Din.

[the future]

Alright, Foxer, awesome sig! Another Pulp fan in the macrumors forums - that will make 2, probably... :) But low marketshare doesn't mean they're not great, we all should know that!

OT? Me? Alright then, new Power Macs next Tuesday...

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by jettredmont
Nice straw man.

When he said your argument has no basis he was speaking of the fact that your assertion regarding cut-rate 1.8GHz PowerMacs from resellers was incorrect. Since that is the fact upon which your entire argument rests, your argument has no basis.

You read the web site wrong, or didn't realise that Apple's machines have two procs in them these days, not one.

This much has been stated at least twice here.

Note, of course, that this doesn't mean there won't be new Macs tomorrow/today (or the next day, or the next...). It just means that your "proof" is not valid, and that there is just as much of a chance of new Macs tomorrow as there always was.
Boy, I know why I've read comments on people walking away from this site because of the emotional responses.

First, this IS a rumor site. We try to glean info from various sources, and put it all together.

When I commented that Apple was finally STOCKING these old discontinued units on Jan. 20, I stated that seemed to imply Apple knew they would no longer threaten the low end of the line. Of course the site I linked to wasn't discounting current models on Jan. 19 - no retailer is allowed to. But the fact that this 1.8 model was finally "re-released" for sale on Jan. 20 is an important fact.

People here seem all wound up about the fact that the 1.8 is a "discontinued" model, and that I'm such an idiot that I don't even realize the 1.8 is now a double processor model.

But the single 1.8 that's now being sold "at fire sale prices" in fact came out with the 1.6 and was priced at $2399, fully 40 percent more than the 1.6. So when they were competing head to head, everyone knew it was the better machine. Yes, they did discontinue it, but only because the new 1.8 DP was even better still. Compared to the 1.6, however, the single 1.8 offers the SAME case, with better internal parts: twice the HD, twice the RAM, and a faster processor.

Any of us, given a choice between the two, would pick the single 1.8. So why would Apple mark this unit down from the original $2399 to $1799, exactly the same price as the current 1.6, unless they knew something we didn't (ie - when the new G5's would come out). If there were no new G5's planned, why wouldn't Apple price these at $1999? Surely the extra specs are worth SOMETHING ...

Posters keep talking about old "discontinued" models as if these units are some old G4's - moldy old cheese or stale bread! But they are brand new units, not reconditioned ones. Apple could have moved them at $1999 a month or two ago, if all they wanted to do was get rid of them.

Finally, we have to remember that Apple controls the inventory of these "discontinued" G5's. I find it too much of a coincidence that they sat in some warehouse for 10 weeks, only to be majically released for sale of Jan 20. Why this date? Did someone just forget which warehouse they were in, only to discover them a few weeks ago? No, Apple held them back for a reason. What that reason is, we can debate, but put some business sense into your answers, please. Apple's here to make a profit, and the fact that they sat on these units until Jan. 20 is not mere coincidence.

So will new units come out? We'll know in a few hours. My entire point with this thread was that the release of these units on Jan. 20, which ARE a better deal than the current 1.6, seemed to imply that Apple knew something was going to happen to change everyone's idea of what a 1.6 was worth on that date.

Apologies to the many who had to endure this thread. Sometimes one just disregards critiques, but at other times one feels compelled to explain the logic behind them. Maybe I should have done the first.:)

[wdlove]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Its not technically the anniversary - that's the 24th. Try and relax a little here, ok?

We'll be seeing new hardware soon enough, just be patient, ok?

D

I totally agree with your sentiment Mr. Anderson. Anticipation is good, but too much excitement can be annoying. We have become an instant gratification society. Personally I'm on the rumor watch of anticipation. Will get excited with the actual announcement.

The timing is up to Steve. Just remember that with each passing day, we are one day closer.

[takao]

Originally posted by wdlove
Just remember that with each passing day, we are one day closer.

yeah exactly what i was thinking.. i can't afford a new machine at the moment but hopefully i'll get enough together till summer 2005 (my amd xp 2000+ is just 1,5 years old but with it's geforce Ti4200 and 1gb ram it still a very decent machine.. ahve to save money as a student... )

[Dont Hurt Me]

for calfcanuk i would look 2 weeks past the release of those 1.8's . it does seem a little odd for apple to hold those computers when it is such a better value then the 1.6. looks like to me they are changing the product placement. coming out with dual 1.8's was kind of strange. who knows maybe the dual 1.8 will be the base model and all pro's go to duals. imacs maybe all single and current G5's. Apples whole tier system is screwed up if you ask me, instead of building best machine and let the market go with it they have played games between one product and another so they end up with less sales. build a imac with fastest G5,build powermac with fastest dual G5. whats so hard about that? then when you can get those single G5's in the laptops start selling those. stop worring about other products toes. Make faster computers and sell those computers. where is the incentive to buy a new computer if its only gotten a G4 bump. case and point imac base unit. started out as a 700mhz, 2 years later its 1.0 150mhz per year increase. why bother buying a new one? same goes with high end imac 800 mhz now 2 years later 1.25. increase of 225 mhz per year? at that rate of increase who will need a new unit? Apple has to break this crap one way or another.

[vixapphire]

yadda yadda yadda...

all i can say is that i just replaced my kakked out blue and white 450 g3 with a refurb'd 2 gig DP G5 w/ 1.5g of ram... still running both a 17 and 21 blue and white studio display monitors (because they look the coolest, natch - the 21 i got for $175 (cinema display pricing - my azz!)) and all of it looks and works beautifully (logic 6, 32ch. logic control, unitor 8ii, amt8, etc.). my ibook g3 (700mhz) w/ airport wireless is doing fine for "life management", web surfing, etc., so i guess all the bases are now quite well-covered.

in light of the foregoing, i'll see y'all in a few years!!!

[CalfCanuck]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
for calfcanuk i would look 2 weeks past the release of those 1.8's . it does seem a little odd for apple to hold those computers when it is such a better value then the 1.6. looks like to me they are changing the product placement. coming out with dual 1.8's was kind of strange. who knows maybe the dual 1.8 will be the base model and all pro's go to duals. imacs maybe all single and current G5's. Apples whole tier system is screwed up if you ask me, instead of building best machine and let the market go with it they have played games between one product and another so they end up with less sales. build a imac with fastest G5,build powermac with fastest dual G5. whats so hard about that? then when you can get those single G5's in the laptops start selling those. stop worring about other products toes. Make faster computers and sell those computers. where is the incentive to buy a new computer if its only gotten a G4 bump. case and point imac base unit. started out as a 700mhz, 2 years later its 1.0 150mhz per year increase. why bother buying a new one? same goes with high end imac 800 mhz now 2 years later 1.25. increase of 225 mhz per year? at that rate of increase who will need a new unit? Apple has to break this crap one way or another.
I agree with you that we'll still have to wait a bit for the new G5s, but you're right on about the 1.8. My whole point over the last few pages here is that Apple sent a very strong signal about the 1.6 being overpriced when they set the price of the 1.8 at $1799. Another post had someone drooling over these machines (with 512MB extra at MacMall, for $1749) and saying: "well, maybe I should just forget about the DP models and snap up this bargain now."

And I really hear you about the speed issue. The main reason I finally got rid of my PB G4 400 last Oct. was not the processor, which was a bit long in the tooth but still ran decent with 1 GB of RAM, but the 8MB VRAM. Those screen redraws drove me crazy. But otherwise for most Photoshop chores I don't see that much of an improvement to my new G4 - mere seconds for pretty hefty files. Now opening 20 large files at once was another matter ...

I still hold out hope that Apple WILL drop some speed in all their units this year. As you've said, crippling lower units merely so top ones don't look so bad is no way to make more sales. Why indeed replace a 800 mHz iMac with a 1GHz one? But now that IBM's delivering the goods, they've got to get around to bumping up the systems sometime - so why not start this year!

Still, we've come a long way since I ordered my first 128KB Mac back in March 1984!

[numediaman]

EDIT: entire post deleted. (It talked about how behind Apple is -- gigahertz-wise. I just don't feel like being flamed by people on this board who think Apple can do no wrong -- while Apple continues to sell products hopelessly outdated.)

[Mr Maui]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Sorry, I'm trying to replax - I just took a Valium ;)
Now the 20th - Nothing
Next is the "Its NOT technically the anniversary" excuse
then.....................
Its next Tuesday
then..................
Its on Super Bowl
then............

Thats it I cant take it!!!!
Gonna cut my wrist now :p


Searching for a REALLY BIG knife! :eek:

<now where did I put that durn thing>

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by numediaman
EDIT: entire post deleted. (It talked about how behind Apple is -- gigahertz-wise. I just don't feel like being flamed by people on this board who think Apple can do no wrong -- while Apple continues to sell products hopelessly outdated.) I think 3.2% marketshare says it all, Apple has forgotten the consumer computer user. and what you say about the flame wars is so true, after all we have people who are still wanting G3's. G3's ,G4s are not going to make people all of a sudden come running to the mac world. G5's could but apple is so wrapped up in their own marketing games they probably will take 3 years to do it. they figured out the music part perhaps they have figured out the slow cpu part. lets hope so.

[jrv3034]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I think 3.2% marketshare says it all, Apple has forgotten the consumer computer user. and what you say about the flame wars is so true, after all we have people who are still wanting G3's. G3's ,G4s are not going to make people all of a sudden come running to the mac world. G5's could but apple is so wrapped up in their own marketing games they probably will take 3 years to do it. they figured out the music part perhaps they have figured out the slow cpu part. lets hope so.

Very true. If they were smart they'd put single G5 in iMacs and eMacs (lots of room for cooling there) and dual G5s in Power Macs. PowerBooks and iBooks will have to stay in G4 land until they figure out heat issues. Have iMacs and eMacs with 64 and 128MB video cards, and PowerMacs with 256MB video RAM standard. And watch their sales go up.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
Still, we've come a long way since I ordered my first 128KB Mac back in March 1984!

Big Deal - Intel has come a long way too since 486 and Windows 3.11 - Come on Apple - Lets get with the Program!!!

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by numediaman
EDIT: entire post deleted. (It talked about how behind Apple is -- gigahertz-wise. I just don't feel like being flamed by people on this board who think Apple can do no wrong -- while Apple continues to sell products hopelessly outdated.)


I totally agree with you! Apple needs to Step up to the Plate. Im so disappointed in the "NON-Anniversary" Show as well :(

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by jrv3034
Very true. If they were smart they'd put single G5 in iMacs and eMacs (lots of room for cooling there) and dual G5s in Power Macs. PowerBooks and iBooks will have to stay in G4 land until they figure out heat issues. Have iMacs and eMacs with 64 and 128MB video cards, and PowerMacs with 256MB video RAM standard. And watch their sales go up.

Its sooooooooooo aggrivating that Apple wont do EXACTLY what you just said. Even is prices didnt go down and stayed the same or higher - Sales would Sky Rocket with a set up just as you described. :D

[Mr. Anderson]

What gets me, is that no matter what Apple gives us, someone's always complaining or whining about what we should be getting.

Just relax and be patient - there is nothing you can do about it right now - and complaining is just a waste of time and is giving me a headache. We've been hearing the same tune for years.

D

[TranceClubMusic]

WOW! Have you seen the updated Apple Web Site!
It now has a Pink Mini iPod..........I'm so excited!!!!!!
I think I just creamed my pants!
One HELL of an Anniversary!!!! Woooooooohoooooooo!:D

PS - Please dont reply with "Its not the official Anniversary" :rolleyes:

[Mr. Anderson]

Is that sarcasm or are you serious?

Your answer is important....

D

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
What gets me, is that no matter what Apple gives us, someone's always complaining or whining about what we should be getting.

Just relax and be patient - there is nothing you can do about it right now - and complaining is just a waste of time and is giving me a headache. We've been hearing the same tune for years.

D

Sorry Mr Anderson - just excuse us :)
We have to get out our fustrations some where!
Plus, maybe just maybe, someone important @ Apple reads Rumor Sites for feedback on customers needs.
Sometimes when customers scream the "squeeky wheel" Apple will come and "Oil" it up for us!
:D
Besides, this is a Virtual Water Cooler Conversation............and admit it............you LOVE it or you would be here :p ;)

[Mr. Anderson]

Read your Private Messages...you have two now TranceClubMusic.

Thanks,

D