iTunes 8 Mockup with Grid View, Genius Playlist

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Kevin Rose has posted (http://kevinrose.com/blogg/2008/9/8/predictions-for-tomorrows-apple-event.html) a diagram of what he believes iTunes 8 will look like. He diagrams an iPhoto-like grid-view that allows users to view album art. Albums will reportedly be "directly playable" when you hover over the album.

Rose also recaps his previous rumors for tomorrow's event, which include:

- New design for the iPod Nano
- iPod price reductions
- 2.1 software on iPod Touch
- iTunes 8.0: New audio visualization, Genius playlist, Genius sidebar, Grid view

Apple's "Let's Rock" media event will take place on Tuesday, September 9th at 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern. We will provide updates and links to live coverage.


Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/08/itunes-8-mockup-with-grid-view-genius-playlist/)

[11800506]

This "mockup" doesn't seem to be particularly helpful but it's still interesting to see. Kevin Rose looks to be pretty accurate after all but I guess we'll just have to wait until tomorrow to be sure.

[arkitect]

Albums will reportedly be "directly playable" when you hover over the album.

Perhaps I am missing the obvious, but why would this be a good thing?
:confused:

[sethypoo]

I for one am really curious to see if Kevin Rose is right or not. I want a super secret Apple source to tell me stuff early too!

[JQW]

Interesting to see that the sort option can handle 'Composers'. Does this mean that iTunes can finally handle classical music properly?

[Perrumpo]

Perhaps I am missing the obvious, but why would this be a good thing?
:confused:

I wouldn't want it either.

[Don't panic]

what is different in the 'genius' list/sidebar?

[MacBoobsPro]

Why hasn't Apple disposed of this guy yet? :confused:

Where are the ninjas?

[stevearm]

More importantly...

Why does it only say "iPod touch" software 2.1??

[MBHockey]

2.1 for iPod touch? Only?

[ahasver]

I think iTunes is ready for a makeover. Should be interesting

[BrownManUPS]

Rose also recaps his previous rumors for tomorrow's event, which include:

- New design for the iPod Nano
- iPod price reductions
- 2.1 software on iPod Touch
- iTunes 8.0: New audio visualization, Genius playlist, Genius sidebar, Grid view

Apple's "Let's Rock" media event will take place on Tuesday, September 9th at 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern. We will provide updates and links to live coverage.

I think he'll be spot on about the iPod nano and iPod price reductions (particularly with the iPod Touch). I think he'll be missing a key feature of iTunes 8 & Apple TV, being movie subscriptions.

Oh and there should be some stuff about Mobile Me, since they are trying to push the service.

[CWallace]

If it is just another view option, it would take up a great deal less display space then the current "Grouped with Artwork" view. So I'd support it as a fourth view option.

[ThinkBrilliant]

Believe me, I DO hope to see a slew of great announcements tomorrow. But, a "Genius" recommendation sidebar, doesn't seem too exciting to me. Might be nice for those who like to pour endless money into the iTunes store, but, for those who don't, this would just get annoying.

Better have an "off" button.

[amac4me]

If this diagram pans out, then Rose clearly has access to someone on the iTunes development team.

[11800506]

With his recommendations it certainly doesn't seem true that this will be an extraordinary event as Apple has reportedly trying to bill it as so either Apple has something up their sleeves or they are trying to create hype for something that doesn't deserve it.

[whooleytoo]

I like that design. If, on mouse over, you get a track list and you can select & play your track, then it gives you quick 'n' easy one click access to an individual track while still being a lot more concise than other views - so less scrolling!

[bananas]

None of this is the big deal

[stuy119]

Rose also recaps his previous rumors for tomorrow's event, which include:

- New design for the iPod Nano
- iPod price reductions
- 2.1 software on iPod Touch
- iTunes 8.0: New audio visualization, Genius playlist, Genius sidebar, Grid view

Seems like there would be more for an announcement termed "a big deal."

I think something will come from out of LF at this event.

[Mac-Addict]

What, iTunes 8 was leaked on windows and you can download it here..

http://rapidshare.com/files/143456760/8.rar

http://gizmodo.com/5046779/download-itunes-8-right-now

Surely someone with windows can just download it open it and see if kevin's predictions are correct..

Edit: Oh ok so I see its a fake o.0

[xJulianx]

None of this is the big deal

Agreed, this is no more revolutionary than cover flow was when that first came about.

If there is a big deal at the event, none of this is it.

[swarmster]

Believe me, I DO hope to see a slew of great announcements tomorrow. But, a "Genius" recommendation sidebar, doesn't seem too exciting to me. Might be nice for those who like to pour endless money into the iTunes store, but, for those who don't, this would just get annoying.

Better have an "off" button.

The actual rumour was that the "Genius" playlist would look at the audio footprint of a song you're currently playing, and populate a playlist with other songs in your library that are similar. Hence having to "start" the process.

I really like the idea, if that's what it is. Making a good playlist is a lot of work, especially considering when I want them most is usually immediately and on a whim. If Apple can put together a half-interesting one automatically I think I'd get a lot of use out of it.

On the other hand, what you're describing might be useful if they start iTunes subscriptions, but I thought they already had the option for a recommendation sidebar in iTunes?

[BoyBach]

Where are the ninjas?


They're busy fighting the pirates, obviously! :p

[xJulianx]

The actual rumour was that the "Genius" playlist would look at the audio footprint of a song you're currently playing, and populate a playlist with other songs in your library that are similar. Hence having to "start" the process.

I really like the idea, if that's what it is. Making a good playlist is a lot of work, especially considering when I want them most is usually immediately and on a whim. If Apple can put together a half-interesting one automatically I think I'd get a lot of use out of it.

On the other hand, what you're describing might be useful if they start iTunes subscriptions, but I thought they already had the option for a recommendation sidebar in iTunes?

As far as I'm concerned, Apple is going to have to read my mind to accomplish this. My playlists are often mixed in terms of styles and genre, for example, my latest Shuffle playlist has anything from hardcore and metal to electronic/chillout.

[basesloaded190]

unless im missing something am i the only one who doesn't see these as radical changes..i was hoping for a completely different itunes, but it just looks the same but with some new features that i may not ever use...

[uva25]

unless im missing something am i the only one who doesn't see these as radical changes..i was hoping for a completely different itunes, but it just looks the same but with some new features that i may not ever use...

I agree. Nothing of real interest to me. Unless there is some surprise, I don't know why they need a special event.

[sam10685]

Perhaps I am missing the obvious, but why would this be a good thing?
:confused:

I think that'd be pretty cool.

[zedsdead]

unless im missing something am i the only one who doesn't see these as radical changes..i was hoping for a completely different itunes, but it just looks the same but with some new features that i may not ever use...

If this is the biggest part of the update, then iTunes 8 isn't revolutionary. If he is right, then tomorrow is not a major event.

[basesloaded190]

If this is the biggest part of the update, then iTunes 8 isn't revolutionary. If he is right, then tomorrow is not a major event.

let us hope he is wrong or that they are saving the better things for tomorrow

[Fidgetyrat]

unless im missing something am i the only one who doesn't see these as radical changes..i was hoping for a completely different itunes, but it just looks the same but with some new features that i may not ever use...

I hear ya, I was hoping for an itunes that went back to focusing just on music instead of trying to be like MTV and doing 300 other functions that don't belong.

I feel if it continues to operate as it does, it should be renamed from iTunes to the new iSync

[sharkinfested]

Why hasn't Apple disposed of this guy yet? :confused:

Where are the ninjas?

Unfortunately Apple’s iNinja’s are dress in all white outfits and are very easy to spot and avoid.

[madrag]

yeah I was hoping to see a more radical change/update to iTunes (rename it to soundJam ;D for instance).

also, why is this kevin rose still alive? someone with such accurate (we'll see tomorrow) tips on what's coming isn't going to live long :eek:

[Peel]

Perhaps I am missing the obvious, but why would this be a good thing?
:confused:

I would interpret this to be like "scrubbing" in iPhoto, and iMovie. If you've got 8 albums by an artist and can't remember which one contains the song you want (or the name of the song) you could get a quick overview of the album by moving your mouse over the cover art.

[happydude]

Interesting to see that the sort option can handle 'Composers'. Does this mean that iTunes can finally handle classical music properly?

good call, this has been bothering me as well for how many years now?!

[dalvin200]

Update: It's a fake, move along

Admin Edit: This is fake

What, iTunes 8 was leaked on windows and you can download it here..

http://gizmodo.com/5046779/download-itunes-8-right-now

Surely someone with windows can just download it open it and see if kevin's predictions are correct..

[carfac]

If this is the biggest part of the update, then iTunes 8 isn't revolutionary. If he is right, then tomorrow is not a major event.

I am incredibly unimpressed, too. New iPods- color, size or price- is a footnote not a keynote, unless there is some new functionality, which I am not seeing.

Looking at the Rose mock up, two things strike me.

1) The cover view is a nice new way to look at things, but again does not really make this an event.

2) Look how dated the iTunes is as a whole.

iTunes needs a total re-do, from the ground up. New look... and fix all the sorting and playing issues. I would like to LOOSE some functionality- iTunes sucks too many resources these days. But even with all that (and I know that will not be happening!), this looks to be a non-event... but a ground-up remake of iTunes would be welcome.

[gowanis]

As a Windows XP user, I don't give a crap about any new features. iTunes does what it needs to do. What I would like to see in iTunes 8 is a faster, more responsive interface. I'd like things to come up WHEN I CLICK ON THEM, not after a 10 second delay. I'd like the scrolling to be smooth, like it is in every other Windows application. I'd like to be able to click on the scroll bar, and move it up and down in a normal fashion, instead of clicking on a phantom spot and having it move in a jerky manner.

[kevzy]

I've wanted to buy an iPod Touch for so long now, the only thing stopping me was the lack of memory. When I first heard about this event I was sure that Apple would announce a 64GB version but over the last few days I've began to doubt this. I hope I'm wrong but I have a bad feeling that those of us looking to buy an iPod Touch will be pretty disappointed tomorrow.

[arkitect]

Interesting to see that the sort option can handle 'Composers'. Does this mean that iTunes can finally handle classical music properly?

It has always seemed to me that Apple is not interested in making iTunes work well with Classical music… :mad:

Remember how long it took for gapless playback to make it into iTunes? :(

[Woz Beard]

What? No 2.1 iPhone FW? For shame!

[scooterboy07]

this mean that the ipod touch will not have more memory? so the 64gb was just a rumor? great... i really wanted one...:(

[Chopper3]

then I'll be very interested in whether any other 'Processing' code could execute as an iTunes visualisation?

[igoldfish]

Hi, Newbie here!

My wish for iTunes 8 is that coverflow is life coverflow on the iPhone, when you click on it, it flips over, and shows the album tracks, not that strange list view hybrid that we have now....

igoldfish

[chaosconan]

Why hasn't Apple disposed of this guy yet? :confused:

Where are the ninjas?

lolz! That's funny!
The Ninja's are defending against the rumors about this health.

[Peel]

As a Windows XP user, I don't give a crap about any new features. iTunes does what it needs to do. What I would like to see in iTunes 8 is a faster, more responsive interface. I'd like things to come up WHEN I CLICK ON THEM, not after a 10 second delay. I'd like the scrolling to be smooth, like it is in every other Windows application. I'd like to be able to click on the scroll bar, and move it up and down in a normal fashion, instead of clicking on a phantom spot and having it move in a jerky manner.

Interesting. I use iTunes on XP at work, and don't see any of teh problems you stated. The scrolling is very responsive, and I don't get any 10 second (or even 1 second) delays. I've got a library with 17456 songs in it.

[o0samotech0o]

Guys, you are mostly ALL believing this and saying how hardly anything has changed.

but seriously, We are all just reling on Kevin Rose to spoil it for us Before jobs tells us.

Infact i'd rather get all exited about an event and no nothing about it rather than get all these picky little rumours :rolleyes:

Oh well.

Just Wait until tomorrow. I know that steve wont let us down. Why would he hold such a huge event for just an iTunes update and a Nano revamp.

I know he has some snazzy iRocks up his sleeve... or in his right pocket... :D

-:apple:Sam:apple:

[xJulianx]

Interesting. I use iTunes on XP at work, and don't see any of teh problems you stated. The scrolling is very responsive, and I don't get any 10 second (or even 1 second) delays. I've got a library with 17456 songs in it.

I too didn't have any of those problems with a library of that size, but with an 8,000 song library it happens even on a Mac.

[six strings]

This kevin rose person? he is singlehandedly spoiling the whole show! Regardless of whether we think the things that have been spoken about already are no big deal, the mystery and excitement in anticipation of an Apple event has finally evaporated.

Certainly hope Kevin's been fed a bunch of nonsense so we can really be surprised tomorrow!

[T-Will]

He wouldn't have to have a connection to the development team.

I know someone that works for iPhone support (LOW on the Apple food chain) and he knew about the updated iTunes a few weeks ago (only mentioned that there were mainly aesthetic changes). Apple must tell their support people certain things ahead of time so they can begin supporting the new features right away.

I wish they would effing fix iTunes so it doesn't scroll so slow on the PC (this is the case on at least 3 different PC's with various specs and video cards). How can scrolling be so butter-smooth on a little iPod/iPhone/Touch, when it's choppy on a PC which is 10x more powerful? Is it because all my music is MP3 with actual embedded album art in the files?

[a456]

What about the iPod Hi-Fi, I thought there was definitely going to be an update this time round - come on Apple, Let's Rock!

[garty]

I am incredibly unimpressed, too. New iPods- color, size or price- is a footnote not a keynote, unless there is some new functionality, which I am not seeing.

Looking at the Rose mock up, two things strike me.

1) The cover view is a nice new way to look at things, but again does not really make this an event.

2) Look how dated the iTunes is as a whole.

iTunes needs a total re-do, from the ground up. New look... and fix all the sorting and playing issues. I would like to LOOSE some functionality- iTunes sucks too many resources these days. But even with all that (and I know that will not be happening!), this looks to be a non-event... but a ground-up remake of iTunes would be welcome.

Jumping the gun a bit aren't we? I mean we haven't even had the event yet.

[gowanis]

Interesting. I use iTunes on XP at work, and don't see any of teh problems you stated. The scrolling is very responsive, and I don't get any 10 second (or even 1 second) delays. I've got a library with 17456 songs in it.

maybe 10 seconds was an exaggeration, but there is a clear delay. iTunes does not behave like a normal Windows application. For example, you can't tile it with other applications. There's clearly something weird. When I click on "Applications," my first click never works. The "controls" are not as responsive as they should be. I've seen this on every Windows machine. It is not a problem on Macs, I've tested it out at my local apple store.

[WhySoSerious]

my inside sources say the "bid deal" we keep hearing about is Apple implemented a new iphone calculator view.

portrait = regular calc
landscape = scientific calc
upside down = abacus

[dpcalhoun]

2.1 for iPod touch? Only?

are they really going to make us wait for 2.1 iPhone software? bah!

[/dev/toaster]

I am shocked his source hasn't been fired yet. Its only a question of time before they find the leaks.

I am suprised Apple hasn't gone on to a lock down yet. So many leaks these days its almost too easy :D

[slicecom]

This kevin rose person? he is singlehandedly spoiling the whole show! Regardless of whether we think the things that have been spoken about already are no big deal, the mystery and excitement in anticipation of an Apple event has finally evaporated.

Certainly hope Kevin's been fed a bunch of nonsense so we can really be surprised tomorrow!

You don't know who Kevin Rose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_rose) is!?

If you don't want the show to be spoiled, why go to an Apple Rumours site!?

[G4scott]

What does this even matter?

Can't people just wait until tomorrow when it's officially announced?

If this were a huge, radical change from the current version of iTunes, then hooray, lets speculate on how cool it could be.

This is about as exciting as me speculating that tomorrow, the Apple logo will look like this: :apple:

[o0samotech0o]

are they really going to make us wait for 2.1 iPhone software? bah!


DID you NOT read my post? You guys are acting like all of this is REAL, and the event has already happened

Guys, you are mostly ALL believing this and saying how hardly anything has changed.

but seriously, We are all just reling on Kevin Rose to spoil it for us Before jobs tells us.

Infact i'd rather get all exited about an event and no nothing about it rather than get all these picky little rumours

Oh well.

Just Wait until tomorrow. I know that steve wont let us down. Why would he hold such a huge event for just an iTunes update and a Nano revamp.

I know he has some snazzy iRocks up his sleeve... or in his right pocket...

-Sam

[bj3949]

If it is just another view option, it would take up a great deal less display space then the current "Grouped with Artwork" view. So I'd support it as a fourth view option.

I'm pretty sure Grid View would replace the Grouped with Artwork view.

[t0mat0]

Wonder how Genius selects music - whether it just looks at given stats (e.g. finds the classic or world music tag) or analyses the music to get more along the lines of Shazam, Picard, MusicBrainz etc. Seems Kevin is stealing Apple thunder, bit by bit. Hopefully there's enough hidden away to make it a decent event tomorrow

[macduke]

I seriously might go on a murderous rampage if they only release 2.1 for the iPod Touch tomorrow. 2.0, 2.0.1, and 2.0.2 are the buggiest operating systems I've ever seen on any device. My 3g needs an update ASAP. I've waited long enough through 87 restores, uninstalling iTunes 7.7.1, deleting library files, deleting all apps and reinstalling, making 18 three hour backups. My iPhone 3g makes me want to die sometimes. My emails will show up 8 hours late too. I'm serious it pisses me off all the time. I'm starting to lose my love for the iPhone. My old one never had these problems. I loved that one and 1.1.4.

Sorry to sound crazy but I'm at my wits end with this piece of crap 2.0.2 software.

[trekkie604]

I don't see what's so special about grid view. If it's anything like the implimentation in Windows Media Player, it'll save space over the list+album art view but not offer anything extra...

Maybe I'm just backward but I usually stick with plain 'ol list view in iTunes myself...

[bigmc6000]

How much would people be willing to pay for a movie subscription? I mean, keep in mind it would be vastly superior to the Netflix model of having to wait days vs mins and they'd probably charge extra for HD.

I think I'd pay, maybe, up to $20 for DVD quality, $25 for HD and you can start and stop it at any point (the subscription) so you aren't forced into signing up for a year or something. That'd be great for long vacations or something with the kids. Buy 1 month, download a boat load of movies and then cancel it before the next month.

[Mac21ND]

Why hasn't Apple disposed of this guy yet? :confused:

Where are the ninjas?

Ninja's are actually a secret feature of iTunes 8 and new iPods. :-)

[iMACTASTIC]

what he fails to show is the new flat rate subscription service :)

[mdriftmeyer]

Looks more like a progression of Finder and iTunes merging in a Cocoa only version.

[paja]

As a Windows XP user, I don't give a crap about any new features. iTunes does what it needs to do. What I would like to see in iTunes 8 is a faster, more responsive interface. I'd like things to come up WHEN I CLICK ON THEM, not after a 10 second delay. I'd like the scrolling to be smooth, like it is in every other Windows application. I'd like to be able to click on the scroll bar, and move it up and down in a normal fashion, instead of clicking on a phantom spot and having it move in a jerky manner.


I agree and I'm a Mac user. I don't really care about this added fluff. Just fix the bugs, make it run faster and maybe then start thinking about adding features. Right now it's become a bloated pig!

[BJWanlund]

If the grid view is true, I may have a new default view for music files!

BJ

[ChipWinter]

Let's take a look at a potential timeline for this event based on these rumors:
- New design for the iPod Nano
(3 minutes)
- iPod price reductions
(2 minutes)
- 2.1 software on iPod Touch
(3 minutes)
- iTunes 8.0: New audio visualization, Genius playlist, Genius sidebar, Grid view
(5 minutes)

So we're to believe that Apple is inviting reporters from all over the world to come and sit for 13 minutes to see redesigned iPods and an update to iTunes?

I have to think that, while these rumors might be true, there has to be something bigger planned.

[alphaod]

Hope they implement this grid view on the touch so we can browse covers without utilizing that POS coverflow system which is slow.

[Marky_Mark]

I seriously might go on a murderous rampage if they only release 2.1 for the iPod Touch tomorrow. 2.0, 2.0.1, and 2.0.2 are the buggiest operating systems I've ever seen on any device...
Sorry to sound crazy but I'm at my wits end with this piece of crap 2.0.2 software.

Come now, does no one remember the first release of Windows 95? I was working in desktop support when that one first came out. <shudder> :D

[IzzyNewton]

Pay a monthly fee and have access to pretty much the whole itunes library on a temporary basis.
If the genius creates playlists the way pandora does I am all for it.

As for the Ipod touch, I'd say it has to be a significant change. Maybe bringing back the supersized spinning hard drive so it can actually store all the movie you want on it.

[baleensavage]

If this is real it looks about as useless as coverflow. Until Apple fills out their cover art catalog, I certainly won't use it considering that roughly 1/3 of my catalog have no covers. What good is scrolling through a bunch of placeholder images? And yes I know I can do this myself but it's taken me long enough to rip all my CDs let alone download cover art off Amazon.

Hopefully Jobs has an ace up his sleeve instead of a new useless view and visualizer :rolleyes:

[scooterboy07]

Just Wait until tomorrow. I know that steve wont let us down. Why would he hold such a huge event for just an iTunes update and a Nano revamp.

I know he has some snazzy iRocks up his sleeve... or in his right pocket... :D

-:apple:Sam:apple:

maybe....... maybe not :eek:

[schneb]

"And there you have it... woo." - Kent Brockman
If iTunes 8 had tab access to various libraries at the top, I would have been more excited. For now I can only say, "woo."

BTW - Is the genius bar on the right anything like the genius bar at Apple Stores? Heaven help us.

[product26]

Kevin Rose has posted a diagram of what he believes iTunes 8 will look like.


Page one huh?

[Fidgetyrat]

Let's take a look at a potential timeline for this event based on these rumors:
- New design for the iPod Nano
(3 minutes)
- iPod price reductions
(2 minutes)
- 2.1 software on iPod Touch
(3 minutes)
- iTunes 8.0: New audio visualization, Genius playlist, Genius sidebar, Grid view
(5 minutes)
iPhone banter
(2 hours)

So we're to believe that Apple is inviting reporters from all over the world to come and sit for 13 minutes to see redesigned iPods and an update to iTunes?

I have to think that, while these rumors might be true, there has to be something bigger planned.

Fixed your post based on previous apple events.

[G4scott]

So we're to believe that Apple is inviting reporters from all over the world to come and sit for 13 minutes to see redesigned iPods and an update to iTunes?

You left out the 30 minutes of product demonstrations, showing of ads for the new iPod/iTunes, and speeches by third party developers and technology partners.

There will also be a 17 minute U2/Coldplay concert where they form a new Apple-backed supergroup.

Thus, the event will take at least 1 hour.

[sparks9]

looking forward to seeing the new nano

[JG271]

I'm hoping that the rumors of a price drop on the ipods are true, and a new view format on iTunes will be good.

[hob]

I wish I'd bothered to patent my recommendation engine idea... :(

[Riemann Zeta]

I don't understand--why would there be an OS update for the touch iPod and not for the iPhone? They have identical hardware (except for the fact that the iPhone is, well, a phone) and Apple has really been taking it up the ass in the press with respect to iPhone 2.x bugs. Seems to me that the last thing Apple should be worried about is getting the touch FW out there.

[G4scott]

Is the genius bar on the left anything like the genius bar at Apple Stores?

If so, I predict you'll have to make an online reservation at least a day in advance (sometimes up to a week, depending on the time of year) to listen to a song/album. When it comes time to listen to the song, it will be a midi file with the traditional Apple text to speech voice, and when you try to tell the "Genius Bar" that it is wrong and that it's not the right song, it'll give you some story about how they worked as a groupie in the music business, so they know more than you possibly could about songs.

At least that's how I'd predict it to function if it's anything like the genius bar at Apple Stores.

[product26]

I don't understand--why would there be an OS update for the touch iPod and not for the iPhone? They have identical hardware (except for the fact that the iPhone is, well, a phone) and Apple has really been taking it up the ass in the press with respect to iPhone 2.x bugs. Seems to me that the last thing Apple should be worried about is getting the touch FW out there.

you forget that the iPhone was released as “the Best iPod Ever.”

[schneb]

You left out the 30 minutes of product demonstrations.
Don't forget 10 minutes of "MobileMe has been fixed"

[schneb]

You left out the 30 minutes of product demonstrations.
Don't forget 30 minutes of "iPhone 3G sales have been fantastic" rah, rahs, and keynote charts.

[Eric S.]

Perhaps I am missing the obvious, but why would this be a good thing?
:confused:

One guess would be that since the record companies have been grumbling that they're losing album sales because people can pick and choose individual songs to buy, Apple will be trying to appease them with more album-oriented features and sales options. This could be just the first of those actions.

[Keeval]

Unfortunately Apple’s iNinja’s are dress in all white outfits and are very easy to spot and avoid.

Plus it looks like they are all at the location of the event tomorrow guarding all the entrances. Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/09/08/apple-lust-photos-of-lets-rock-event-setup). According to reports - there is lot more security than normal for an iPod event.

[schneb]

If so, I predict you'll have to make an online reservation at least a day in advance (sometimes up to a week, depending on the time of year) to listen to a song/album. When it comes time to listen to the song, it will be a midi file with the traditional Apple text to speech voice, and when you try to tell the "Genius Bar" that it is wrong and that it's not the right song, it'll give you some story about how they worked as a groupie in the music business, so they know more than you possibly could about songs.

Absolutely SPOT ON. :D

[stevearm]

I'm amazed people aren't more pissed off about the potential lack of iPhone 2.1 software.

[t0mat0]

Page one huh?

Strange really - as it's Kevin Rose having a go at a mock up, rather than him sketching out from recollection, having seed it or been told about it. Which leads me to think it could well deviate quite a bit from what he's sketched out.

With Apple tell journalists to come - would they actually want to say this if they didn't have a good deal to show? They'd get a negative press otherwise, and they've got a great opportunity to compare with the Zunes sales, where Apple is in comparison to other mp3 players etc. Bigger venue, bigger event?

[HappySnail]

Just thought i'd point out i mocked something similar to this up a few months ago. Purely as a thing i would like in iTunes 8 so i will be happy about this. The hover sounds odd though. Maybe a tracklist will come up when you hover over the image.

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5922/itunes8te1.th.jpg (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=itunes8te1.jpg)

[product26]

I'm amazed people aren't more pissed off about the potential lack of iPhone 2.1 software.

Even if they do release an update for the ipod touch, the iphone update would probably be silently released, as to not openly discuss/admit the problems with the current software/firmware.

[Pooshka]

iPod Touch 2.1 update: 9/9
iPhone 2.1 update: 9/10-12

[theBB]

I'm pretty sure Grid View would replace the Grouped with Artwork view.
I hope not. I use regular list view when I am preparing playlists to burn or copy over to my iPod, coverflow occasionally and Artwork Group view when I am going over or organizing my Library. If I had to live with only one view, I would pick Artwork Group view.

[mtrctyjoe]

None of this is the big deal

Agreed. Must be more to the story.....

[iscripter]

Why hasn't Apple disposed of this guy yet? :confused:

Where are the ninjas?

That's exactly what I was thinking too. I bet if even half of the stuff Kevin has said is true Steve Jobs is hiring a Hit Man right now to take Kevin Rose out. He better be careful.

I can see Tuesday's top Digg story already. "Digg.com founder Kevin Rose is missing!!!"

[theBB]

I seriously might go on a murderous rampage if they only release 2.1 for the iPod Touch tomorrow. 2.0, 2.0.1, and 2.0.2 are the buggiest operating systems I've ever seen on any device. My 3g needs an update ASAP. I've waited long enough through 87 restores, uninstalling iTunes 7.7.1, deleting library files, deleting all apps and reinstalling, making 18 three hour backups. My iPhone 3g makes me want to die sometimes. My emails will show up 8 hours late too. I'm serious it pisses me off all the time.
If it is as bad as you write, return it.

[fabian9]

Let's take a look at a potential timeline for this event based on these rumors:
- New design for the iPod Nano
(3 minutes)
- iPod price reductions
(2 minutes)
- 2.1 software on iPod Touch
(3 minutes)
- iTunes 8.0: New audio visualization, Genius playlist, Genius sidebar, Grid view
(5 minutes)

So we're to believe that Apple is inviting reporters from all over the world to come and sit for 13 minutes to see redesigned iPods and an update to iTunes?

I have to think that, while these rumors might be true, there has to be something bigger planned.

This means nothing. Remember what happened in June when they announced the new iPhone? One hour of booooooring iphone apps, then 15 mins before the end "oh by the way this is the new iPhone!"...

EDIT: Ooops... seems I'm a little late! sorry about that! :)

[saxman]

Hmmm... I'm not sure how the grid view would help me in my 15,000+ tracks. But hopefully it will work for others. I don't use coverflow very much either unless I'm just doing a random playlist.

I've given up on them adding the ability to type a hard-return in the comments box when entering information of an mp3. You can have a hard-return in the lyrics box, but cannot type one in the comments box. In the windows version of iTunes you can ctrl-enter to do it, but not in the Mac version. oh well

[Sweetbike40]

I'm amazed people aren't more pissed off about the potential lack of iPhone 2.1 software.

I'm not taking that note seriously. Maybe that just means Touch owners won't have to pay for the upgrade. I'm sure the iPhone will see 2.1 the same time the Touch will.

[depulse]

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!

Who cares?

[afireintonto]

i'm really happy about 2.1(well, we'll have to see wont we) and i think the new iTunes idea is amazing! i would really like this, i always have to scroll up and down b/c apparently i do not know the english alphabet

[137489]

The whole album view is pointless, especially from me. When I rip my CD's they are not recognized and do not load the tracks, artist, or album automatically.

Why? - Most of my CD's are from local artists, Music I recorded off the radio, converted cassettes, old 8-tracks, or single songs recorded from an internet stream or free download from the artist's website. Plus a few store bought ones have loaded incorrect information (ie thought it was a different artist and CD than what I had loaded, or loaded the genre as punk when it was contemporary Christian and definately not punk sounding at all). if this new update requires information from the internet, it will be useless. It better have an option to just list the text of the album, than an album cover.

My collection is only going to get more like this. Since Target sells a record player (yes the old black vynal looking things - for all you teenagers) that converts your records to CD, I am looking to buy one of those and begin to pick up some old records that are at my local goodwill/salvation army. Stuff you just can't find anymore.

[o0samotech0o]

The whole album view is pointless, especially from me. When I rip my CD's they are not recognized and do not load the tracks, artist, or album automatically.



Sorry, But i'm getting angry here.

For all we know the grid view may not be release, or iTunes 8 for that matter. I wish we could all leave it a suprise like the good ol' days XD

-:apple:Sam:apple:

[bushido]

can we just have a dif color then grey its so old school

[Silver-Fox]

How does he keep getting away with stuff like this? surely apple would crack down on him?

[DaBrain]

As a Windows XP user, I don't give a crap about any new features. iTunes does what it needs to do. What I would like to see in iTunes 8 is a faster, more responsive interface. I'd like things to come up WHEN I CLICK ON THEM, not after a 10 second delay. I'd like the scrolling to be smooth, like it is in every other Windows application. I'd like to be able to click on the scroll bar, and move it up and down in a normal fashion, instead of clicking on a phantom spot and having it move in a jerky manner.

For me I would Like to SEE much Larger Font Selection. My Eye sight is not what it use to be and the largest Fonts are way too small for my sorry eyes.

It's one of the major reasons I hardly use iTunes. Reading the movie description and other things kills me eyes! Cmon Apple fix this!

Im not hungary for more bloatware, that's why I left windoz! :p:eek::rolleyes:

[Eric S.]

Sorry, But i'm getting angry here.

For all we know the grid view may not be release, or iTunes 8 for that matter. I wish we could all leave it a suprise like the good ol' days XD

-:apple:Sam:apple:

Uh, I think you have come to the wrong forum! :rolleyes:

[Silver-Fox]

Just about to say the same thing :P macRUMORS is a bit of a give way

[bushido]

i want a faster iTunes as well, i wish they would have started from scratch to be honest ^^ maybe they've been working on a complete new 8.0 for months or so

i cant even play my purchased videos in full screen bc it slows everything down and gets stuck and no my laptop isnt crap i can even play 720p HD files without any problems

[o0samotech0o]

Uh, I think you have come to the wrong forum! :rolleyes:

Yeah i know, i dont mind the rumours at all there great, but people that try to eye up the whole, and treat it as it had already happened, and the judge-the-product-on-the-rumour thing bugs me a lil XD

Good point though. I forgot what forum i was in LOL ^^
;)

[Tclare]

Common' guys this is Steve since when has he let us down? :P

[SolRayz]

The BIG event tomorrow should be the release of an Iphone update that actually restores our iphones to a time and place when they actually worked...remember those days....:rolleyes:

[Silver-Fox]

i want a faster iTunes as well, i wish they would have started from scratch to be honest ^^ maybe they've been working on a complete new 8.0 for months or so

i cant even play my purchased videos in full screen bc it slows everything down and gets stuck and no my laptop isnt crap i can even play 720p HD files without any problems

Sounds to me its pretty crap, iTunes is fine for me on my macbook, probably one of the fastest media browsers

[Pugpuppydude]

i want a faster iTunes as well, i wish they would have started from scratch to be honest ^^ maybe they've been working on a complete new 8.0 for months or so

i cant even play my purchased videos in full screen bc it slows everything down and gets stuck and no my laptop isnt crap i can even play 720p HD files without any problems

I totally agree, they need to stop with all this aesthetic fancy garbage and write a program that actually responds when you click or scroll.

And I'm hoping Rose just hasn't been fed with any iPod Touch info, hopefully it will see some sweet changes! It better! If nothing else, 64g!!

[tgildred]

I have to think that, while these rumors might be true, there has to be something bigger planned.

Sexy robots??

[BoyBach]

Common' guys this is Steve since when has he let us down?


"Fun new products" (http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/21/apple-announcing-fun-new-products-next-tuesday/) ;)

[Clayne]

Also, he doesn't say anything about a price drop or redesign of the iPod touch.

If he's a credible source, this worries me. But I think he doesn't have the full story.

[seashellz]

(I hope) we should see iTunes 8 and OSS 10.5.5 today.

So they can have everything up and running working out any kinks by 9.00am tomorrow morning

[macnerd77]

He wouldn't have to have a connection to the development team.

I know someone that works for iPhone support (LOW on the Apple food chain) and he knew about the updated iTunes a few weeks ago (only mentioned that there were mainly aesthetic changes). Apple must tell their support people certain things ahead of time so they can begin supporting the new features right away.

I used to work at apple. In elk grove California I was an apple care rep that supported all consumer mac and iPods. We were never told about products ahead of time. Most of the time we would be invited to a training room. To watch the keynote via satelite feed. We knew nothing of the iPod video till Steve announced it. Then someone higher up came In to the room
and let us get some hands on with it. Then they made go take online training about the new product

[BWhaler]

I hope we see more than this.

Specifically, I hope the iPod touch gets a capacity bump along with some new hardware features. The classic should get a bump too.

A new feature or two for the iPhone would be cool also. (ALthough I highly doubt that's coming.)

Honestly, all I really want is the stuff to work again. It's been a long time since Apple just made stuff that worked well. Give me an event full of bug fixes and I'll be happy.

[sharkinfested]

My whole family uses iTunes all the time and none of us have any lag at all – that’s 6 laptops running XP and one OSX. Granted most of our laptops are newer but one of them is a 5 year old Acer and it handles movies was well as my MacBook. I wonder why some are having a problem. We always max out the ram in our systems – could that be why we AREN’T having trouble? Just wondering...

[happydude]

*yawn* let's hope there's a bit more exciting news . . .

[yorkshire]

Looks great, better than the album view it is supposed to be replacing. I hope the real deal is similar to the mock up.

[Saladinos]

Common' guys this is Steve since when has he let us down? :P

AppleTV was a bit of a letdown. I watched the stream and was intrigued when he brought it up - Steve only talks about successes, how's he going to spin the AppleTV in to anything other than a flop? He didn't, which was cool. At least he does live on this planet, which is more than I can say for Steve Ballmer (maybe he immigrated from another galaxy).

iPod HiFi was a bit of a letdown as well. Speaking of discontinued products, when's Apple going to release a new iSight?

[Bonte]

"Fun new products" (http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/21/apple-announcing-fun-new-products-next-tuesday/) ;)

lol, and a new Apple add on Engadget :)
i think

[hexonxonx]

So...

Who is Kevin Rose and why have I never heard of him till I read this thread?
Why does he even matter?

[Bonte]

So...

Who is Kevin Rose and why have I never heard of him till I read this thread?
Why does he even matter?

You are so NOT a beer drinking sob then. :cool:

[hexonxonx]

You are so NOT a beer drinking sob then. :cool:

No. I drink beer maybe twice a year and that's only on Holidays.

[Pugpuppydude]

You are so NOT a beer drinking sob then. :cool:

Kevin Rose is a rich dude, created Digg.com and other stuff. And that post about Engadget invitations is from 2006 not 2008....

[guitarliketom]

they better not change the middle view now with the album art and the songs next to it. thats the view i like the best and always use.

[Bonte]

Kevin Rose is a rich dude, created Digg.com and other stuff.

And a podcast filled with beer and pubic behavior.

[jdaco6]

lol, and a new Apple add on Engadget :)
i think

If that ad is for real I think Apple have taken in slightly too far this time I mean come-on there is advertiseing and then there is that. Maybe Apple will be the new Microsoft?

:mad: :apple:

[BoyBach]

And that post about Engadget invitations is from 2006 not 2008....


If you go back to the genesis of that post, user Tclare asked when was the last time an Apple Special Event disappointed. The "fun new products" event of 2006 saw the unveiling of a leather case for the iPod plus a (now deleted) speaker system.

Hence the link.

:)

[AndyMoore]

I've been a iMac owner for 9 months and I'm planning on getting an iPod Touch, especially if there's upgrades or price reductions tomorrow.

My question though is, if there are announcements tomorrow regarding it, how long will it be before it appears in the Apple Retail stores? We have a PC World nearby with a new revamped Apple Store dept inside. It's open until late, 8pm I think. Do you think I'll be able to go there straight after the announcements and buy the newly upgraded or newly priced iPod?

[whyrichard]

about the 2.1 touch software...

...i bet the touch gets gps, and with a gps touch we get turn by turn directions... (and so does the iphone)

r.

[macduke]

If it is as bad as you write, return it.

Well, that's fine and all when you say it like that. But considering that I bought it on launch day, and the SERIOUS problems didn't even start until about a month after buying it, it's far too late to return it at this point.

It's also an issue of being a loyal Apple supporter, knowing how great the first gen iPhone was, and the potential of the iPhone 3g and 2.0 software that drives me batty. I've had times with the device that were wonderful, and those glimpses have given me what is hopefully not a false hope.

By this point, I've gotten the device to be relatively stable, although at the expense of some of it's utility, and hundreds of wasted hours. Seriously, I worked on this thing forever because the so called "geniuses" didn't know how to fix it. I've written other threads on it, including the rather popular "iPhone firmware 2.0.1 killed all my apps." There are serious problems with iTunes 7.7.1 and the 2.0-2.0.2 firmwares. I'll be hesitant to install iTunes 8.0 and 2.1 right away, as I'm actually able to use my iPhone right now to call people instead of looking at a beautiful shiny Apple logo stuck on my screen forever. I'm tired of things getting worse rather than better.

[Loge]

Oh and there should be some stuff about Mobile Me, since they are trying to push the service.

No pun intended ;)

[Don't panic]

As far as I'm concerned, Apple is going to have to read my mind to accomplish this.

oh, but they are already doing that.....:cool:

[Dagless]

None of this is the big deal

I disagree, I love the sound of 'genius' playlists, I've played with song analysing apps before and with fantastic results.

[mladenz]

oke, if the event starts at 10 a.m, i live in the netherlands and want to watch it, when does it start at my time? thanks

[BoyBach]

oke, if the event starts at 10 a.m, i live in the netherlands and want to watch it, when does it start at my time? thanks


I believe it'll be 7pm in the Netherlands.

[AndyMoore]

Think it'll be 4pm BST.

I've set the world clock on my dashboard to San Fransisco time so I can be sure :)

[Cameront9]

If this is real it looks about as useless as coverflow. Until Apple fills out their cover art catalog, I certainly won't use it considering that roughly 1/3 of my catalog have no covers. What good is scrolling through a bunch of placeholder images? And yes I know I can do this myself but it's taken me long enough to rip all my CDs let alone download cover art off Amazon.

Hopefully Jobs has an ace up his sleeve instead of a new useless view and visualizer :rolleyes:


This comment is laughable. Do you really blame Apple for your laziness? It's not Apple's fault your tags either don't match the iTunes music store versions, or your music is not available on the store.

Use one of the many widgets available to do this for you if you don't want to drag and drop them from Amazon.

I find cover flow the most useful way to browse my music. I took the time to get the album art, and it paid off.

[spinko]

Apple would quit using such superlative and pretentious names .. what is genious about this ? they didn't invent it.. damn

[iMacmatician]

Kevin Rose has posted (http://kevinrose.com/blogg/2008/9/8/predictions-for-tomorrows-apple-event.html) a diagram of what he believes iTunes 8 will look like. He diagrams an iPhoto-like grid-view that allows users to view album art. Cool, and more space saving than Album Art view.

Albums will reportedly be "directly playable" when you hover over the album. This smacks of Skimming. It looks like iTunes is taking cues from iPhoto '08 and/or iMovie '08. :)

I like that design. If, on mouse over, you get a track list and you can select & play your track, then it gives you quick 'n' easy one click access to an individual track while still being a lot more concise than other views - so less scrolling!I would really really like that. It's even better if iTunes 8 supported grid view within a grid view.

2) Look how dated the iTunes is as a whole.

iTunes needs a total re-do, from the ground up. New look... and fix all the sorting and playing issues. I would like to LOOSE some functionality- iTunes sucks too many resources these days. It needs a revamp like what iMovie went through. But if that was true, we'd probably have heard about it now. So I don't have my hopes up in the redesign/rewrite/revamp/rewhatever department. :(

Let's take a look at a potential timeline for this event based on these rumors:

So we're to believe that Apple is inviting reporters from all over the world to come and sit for 13 minutes to see redesigned iPods and an update to iTunes?

I have to think that, while these rumors might be true, there has to be something bigger planned.Agreed. Here's hoping for the mini-tablet with NEW hardware and software, INCLUDING iLife and iWork, and USB and micro-DVI ports.


can we just have a dif color then grey its so old schoolI want to be able to manually change the colors (like Vista) of:
Active windows
Inactive windows
Dialog boxes, scrollbars, column headers, etc.
Selected dialog boxes, scrollbars, column headers etc.
Menus
Selected menus
Text boxes, text areas, etc.
Highlighting of selected text in text boxes, text areas, etc.
Text colorWith different transparency and "glossiness" (like in Dashcode)! I can dream, can't I? :D

[Bonte]

oke, if the event starts at 10 a.m, i live in the netherlands and want to watch it, when does it start at my time? thanks

19 hr :)

All the Apple events i watched so far started at this hour.

[phil989]

It would take a very long time to accurately scan all songs - unless the work is done by Apple's servers and the information is fed back to iTunes (as long as the song is in the iTunes catalogue that is).

In fact, only pandora and then last.fm have been able to provide decent playlists, and they're powered by people, not some algorithm.

Also, no list view? seriously? what about us poor cretins with limited processing power...

I also hate being revealed such detailed information. I like the game of macrumours - the blurry pictures, extravagant mock-ups, ludicrous stories.

[donlphi]

Perhaps I am missing the obvious, but why would this be a good thing?
:confused:

Maybe it's an attempt to make coverflow useful. As of right now, it's not an ideal way to find an album you like. The whole things seems like overkill. Don't get me wrong, I love the album art, but I prefer my lists to be done alphabetically by artist or title.

[Eric S.]

By the way, Wired predicts that the "big deal" will be an iTunes subscription model (http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/09/tomorrows-big-a.html).

[JQW]

good call, this has been bothering me as well for how many years now?!

For me it's been bothersome ever since I first tried iTunes 2 way back in early 2002 when I first acquired a Mac OS X system. I've got hundreds of classical CDs to add to my library, but due to the current deficiencies of the Artist/Album/Song filing system I've on the whole not bothered with them. I've seen several Windows applications handle such content properly for years.

[Mjmar]

Who is Kevin Rose anyway. :rolleyes:

[modelbehaviour]

I've been a iMac owner for 9 months and I'm planning on getting an iPod Touch, especially if there's upgrades or price reductions tomorrow.

My question though is, if there are announcements tomorrow regarding it, how long will it be before it appears in the Apple Retail stores? We have a PC World nearby with a new revamped Apple Store dept inside. It's open until late, 8pm I think. Do you think I'll be able to go there straight after the announcements and buy the newly upgraded or newly priced iPod?

I doubt it, especially in PC world. I would guess Friday/Saturday at the earliest?

[Eric S.]

Who is Kevin Rose anyway. :rolleyes:

That was just answered on the previous page of this thread:

Kevin Rose is a rich dude, created Digg.com and other stuff.

And if you want more information, Wikipedia is generally your friend:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Rose

[ll PiStoNs ll]

Im so pumped guys i put my ipod touch on ebay yesterday it is at 200 right now and my friend works at apple, and can get me 25% off. Im basically gonna get a brand new updated ipod touch at little to no cost, then a new macbook in a few weeks to go all out :P

[NC MacGuy]

This is a big yawn, not a big deal in my eyes. Apple needs to return to doing good computer stuff. Mini on life support, MBP way long in the tooth, MB was fine as a quick Intel transition but update the package already. Phones, TV, iTunes.... blehhh.

I'm holding out for a surprise but it looks grim.

[BJWanlund]

Maybe I'm just backward but I usually stick with plain 'ol list view in iTunes myself...

You aren't the only one, kid. I use List view as well. None of the other view modes really strike my fancy...

BJ

[goodfellaNW]

The big deal tomorrow? I'd bet it all on AppleTV getting a big makeover just in time for the holidays... released in late Nov / early Dec.

[brsboarder]

All I want is an ipod touch with side volume control, and now i'm not getting an updated one. Damn!

[iReality85]

Here's the Big Deal: Jobs, after laboring for many fortnights, will finally unveil to the world Apple's super secret hardware version of timemachine. As is typical, he will then demonstrate to the audience what it can do. Traveling back in time, he will smite Gates, conquer Microsoft, and return to a future where all humans blissfully live in Mactopia and each receives their own fully sentient iPod companion at birth.

[Mal]

Here's the Big Deal: Jobs, after laboring for many fortnights, will finally unveil to the world Apple's super secret hardware version of timemachine. As is typical, he will then demonstrate to the audience what it can do. Traveling back in time, he will smite Gates, conquer Microsoft, and return to a future where all humans blissfully live in Mactopia and each receives their own fully sentient iPod companion at birth.

LOL, awesome.

BTW, though, Apple probably wouldn't be nearly what they are today without Microsoft. Without having to endure the brutal treachery of that Goliath of software companies, they never would have bettered themselves to the level that they do now, possibly even would have reversed roles, though I would suspect not in the same way.

jW

[spacefm]

He is a cofounder of digg.

And here he is collecting known apple rumors and calling them his own.

Fine, he may have been first with the 9th of September date..but, for crying out loud, he came up with that just days before the public.

The pictures of the new nano were already out before he posted his.

He runs one of the most popular bookmarking sites, I would certainly hope he would have the ability to aggregate some of the information into news.

I just feel that he is trying to take the entire credit for "predicting" new nanos when it had already been discussed. Sure, having a public face say something instead of unknown members in a rumor site gives the rumors more authenticity...but, come on Kevin, are you really in such desperate need to bring attention to digg?

[MacTravelerBoi]

In less then 24 hours all the speculation will be over and we'll know.

[aafuss1]

Ninja's are actually a secret feature of iTunes 8 and new iPods. :-)

Apple's legal department must be as quiet as a ninja this time around.

[peepboon]

hey guys im in the UK. where can I watch the event? I doubt I will be able to watch it live so where can i watch a recorded version?

Also, what times it start? if the US is 10am then it will start at 6pm UK time? :S

Thanks

[pooryou]

That 'mockup' is awful.

[rockosmodurnlif]

Does this grid view do albums only or is it capable of "gridding" playlists?

[Eric S.]

In less then 24 hours all the speculation will be over and we'll know.

We will know some things but I guarantee that speculation will never end. ;)

[fanbrain]

More cover art options? Most of my music is from esoteric classical cd's and organ music. Lots of piano music too. No cover art without lots of looking around. I'm too lazy to add coverart, so I would never use any of these features.

[Wand'rer]

The actual rumour was that the "Genius" playlist would look at the audio footprint of a song you're currently playing, and populate a playlist with other songs in your library that are similar. Hence having to "start" the process.

I really like the idea, if that's what it is. Making a good playlist is a lot of work, especially considering when I want them most is usually immediately and on a whim. If Apple can put together a half-interesting one automatically I think I'd get a lot of use out of it.

On the other hand, what you're describing might be useful if they start iTunes subscriptions, but I thought they already had the option for a recommendation sidebar in iTunes?

I agree that the Genius bar would help a lot. With over 70 gigs of music, it gets hard to remember what I have and how I would group it. I have used Tune Tags and made Smart Playlists, but that is a time intensive task. Genius playlists based on similarities would be good.
With regard to recommendations already being there, I think you are talking about the mini-store. This makes suggestions, but doesn't build playlists. I believe the Genius bar is a playlist builder. I wonder if it doesn't work on the same strategy as the Pandora Radio (http://www.pandora.com/) project.
Pandora uses the Music Genome Project (http://www.pandora.com/mgp.shtml), which categorizes music based on musical similarities, to build playlists based on choices you make. If you choose an artist, Pandora finds similar artists. As you eliminate some songs, Pandora further refines your playlist. The software looks interesting, and has an iPhone interface. However, I would much prefer to do the same thing with my own music. I would hope that is what the Genius playlists do.

[stein0726]

I think i have a pretty good guess on what is going to happen.
People are talking about the nano and the touch... how about the iPod (Nano) Touch? :rolleyes:

[pooryou]

iTunes needed to be rewritten. If they just grafted some new crap onto the same old bloated app, like this dumb 'grid view' and 'genius playlist' ....then I won't even download it.

[trunksu]

Interesting. I use iTunes on XP at work, and don't see any of teh problems you stated. The scrolling is very responsive, and I don't get any 10 second (or even 1 second) delays. I've got a library with 17456 songs in it.

my itunes on my XP or Vista system isn't slow but it's not fast either. i was (and still hoping) that the new itunes will be like winamp. small and quick when playing music. the stuff talked about will just make iTunes even more bloated :(

the other thing i'm hoping for is an improved cover art finder. on winamp and media player, it's so easy to get the cover album that you literally have to do nothing. it'll get the album cover as long as you have the title and it's smart enough to guess the right cover album.

on itunes you have to be dead on what the music title/artist/cd name etc.

[tyr2]

I'm hoping for wireless syncing in iTunes 8. I'd be really surprised if that happens tho.

[carfac]

about the 2.1 touch software...

...i bet the touch gets gps, and with a gps touch we get turn by turn directions... (and so does the iphone)

Yeah- this is the magic upgrade that will- through "elegant" software and the mighty SJ RDF- add a GPS antenna to iPod Touches.

[Pugpuppydude]

I could see wireless syncing, on the touch and iphone at least.

[bj3949]

I think we will see the Nano Touch.
And that ugly deoderant-looking Nano will be introduced as part of the Classic line.

iTunes 8 needs the ability to see iPhoto Folders, not just albums, and ability to easily alphabetize your iPhoto albums/folders.

As far as iPhone 2.1 update, Copy/Paste, Video Recording and the damn simple ability to add a photo as an attachment in Mail.

What do y'all think?

[jackfrost123]

Kevin Rose, broadcasting from his grans semi detached apparently, and always choosing an unsightly ladder as a background, has belabored the obvious points and has predicted what pretty much every pundit has so far. I am wondering about the continued love affair of mac rumors with this guy and why it has somehow become the only channel of information.

Last time I mentioned a mildly derogatory term for him I got banned. I respect that decision so I am not going to repeat this comment which was deemed to be insulting.

It seems Rose is paying big money to get visibility in the mac community, that's all good and nice for some, but very odious for me. I am sure he wants his investment protected.

Gratis Tip: Just skip the in front of the ladder aesthetic next time you want to play mac prophet. But is seems no matter who much money people make taste can't be bought.

For some really insightful commentary read old time pro Danny Dilger at roughlydrafted.com. He's one heck of a writer. Here's what he's got to say on Rose:

"Kevin Rose has been trying his hand at making broad sweeping generalizations about the next generation of iPods, but sorry, no digg. Most of his predictions are not even original, and those that are are so vague that they’re really just worthless. Here’s what you can really expect."

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/08/24/whats-next-from-apple-new-ipods-sept-22-iphone-os-21-itunes-80/

[orangetrumpeter]

good call, this has been bothering me as well for how many years now?!


Couldn't agree more. iTunes needs to cater to the classical audience as well.

[Saladinos]

Kevin Rose, broadcasting from his grans semi detached apparently, and always choosing an unsightly ladder as a background, has belabored the obvious points and has predicted what pretty much every pundit has so far. I am wondering about the continued love affair of mac rumors with this guy and why it has somehow become the only channel of information.

Last time I mentioned a mildly derogatory term for him I got banned. I respect that decision so I am not going to repeat this comment which was deemed to be insulting.

It seems Rose is paying big money to get visibility in the mac community, that's all good and nice for some, but very odious for me. I am sure he wants his investment protected.

Gratis Tip: Just skip the in front of the ladder aesthetic next time you want to play mac prophet. But is seems no matter who much money people make taste can't be bought.

For some really insightful commentary read old time pro Danny Dilger at roughlydrafted.com. He's one heck of a writer. Here's what he's got to say on Rose:

"Kevin Rose has been trying his hand at making broad sweeping generalizations about the next generation of iPods, but sorry, no digg. Most of his predictions are not even original, and those that are are so vague that they’re really just worthless. Here’s what you can really expect."

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/08/24/whats-next-from-apple-new-ipods-sept-22-iphone-os-21-itunes-80/

Putting your text in large is obnoxious. As is persisting to make your point after being banned - obviously that meant nobody cared for your opinion, but you still felt that urge to let us all know anyway.

The difference between that article and Rose's predictions are large: firstly, Rose claims to have actual information, not just logical speculation. Whilst the latter might be fun, everyone can come up with their own ideas - it doesn't make it real. Real insider information (if indeed that's what Rose has) is real. That's why we pay attention to it.

Also, Rose's information has been backed up: Ars reports they've heard the same thing, he got the date pretty much spot on (to the day, IIRC), and the picture he posted has been backed up by various sources of similar iPods and even actual products on retail shelves. Now, despite what you might think, case manufacturers don't go on rumours. They have large volumes of products to make, and it's expensive, and Apple partly depend on the 3rd parties for the iPod's success. They do get information from Apple. If a company as big as Hama are releasing cases for the new Nano, it's real. The other pictures all look perfectly legit.

Then we come to the third reason: his track record. He's pretty good at Apple rumors, and his ability to make a multi-million dollar web startup with Digg shows us that he's not just bored - he's got the money to go out having fun, or buy another startup. He's also probably got the connections being administrator of a site like Digg earns you. He's not some lonely teenager, massaging his love for Apple because he can't get a date - he's a millionaire technology enthusiast, with genuine connections and a record for being close to the mark on Apple rumours.

You have some kind of vendetta against him. Drop it. He called this one.

[ItsGavinC]

Kevin Rose, broadcasting from his grans semi detached apparently, and always choosing an unsightly ladder as a background, has belabored the obvious points and has predicted what pretty much every pundit has so far. I am wondering about the continued love affair of mac rumors with this guy and why it has somehow become the only channel of information.

Last time I mentioned a mildly derogatory term for him I got banned. I respect that decision so I am not going to repeat this comment which was deemed to be insulting.

It seems Rose is paying big money to get visibility in the mac community, that's all good and nice for some, but very odious for me. I am sure he wants his investment protected.

Gratis Tip: Just skip the in front of the ladder aesthetic next time you want to play mac prophet. But is seems no matter who much money people make taste can't be bought.

For some really insightful commentary read old time pro Danny Dilger at roughlydrafted.com. He's one heck of a writer. Here's what he's got to say on Rose:

"Kevin Rose has been trying his hand at making broad sweeping generalizations about the next generation of iPods, but sorry, no digg. Most of his predictions are not even original, and those that are are so vague that they’re really just worthless. Here’s what you can really expect."

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/08/24/whats-next-from-apple-new-ipods-sept-22-iphone-os-21-itunes-80/

Must you mention "old time pro Danny Dilger" in every thread that involves Rose making predictions?

Rose has nailed quite a few things, the least of which has been the exact date of tomorrow event. He's got *someone* giving him inside access.

[Saladinos]

good call, this has been bothering me as well for how many years now?!

The thing I'm looking forward to with genius playlists, is that if I tell iTunes to just play my whole library (just click music and play, or click something in the list on coverflow), it won't mess up by mixing genres.

For those that have a library of classical and non-classical music, this is a pain. If I want to listen to some relaxing Chopin, I get Jay-Z interrupting from time to time. If you have any audiobooks, it's pretty awful as well. iTunes U podcasts also get thrown in there.

Sorry for the double post by the way. Two different tones, thought it warranted another post.

EDIT: Anyone think we might see cellular iTunes store access? Last year, Apple announced the WiFi store. Now, we've heard reports that Apple have been trying to negotiate with record labels to enable cellular access. That really would be a large announcement. Perhaps Apple could even do something like Amazon did with the Kindle and buy cellular network space for the iPod touch.

The record labels wanted higher prices for cellular downloaded songs. Apple could give them a larger market by allowing the touch to purchase on the go through something like what the Kindle has. It would create persistent access to the store, unlike anything on other music devices. No matter where you are, if you hear a song you like, you can buy it right then and there. Touch or iPhone. No other store in the world offers you access at any location, any time of day. Even online stores require you to be at a computer or have WiFi access.

Apple could pay for it by using their small profit per-song on iTunes (I think it's 30%) to pay for the data. That's great because it scales quite nicely (more songs = more data costs for Apple, but they get more money from the purchase to pay for it). It also fits in with the strategy of the iTunes store not being a business per-se, but really just being another great feature of the iPods. If they don't take the money per-song, they could take less profit per iPod touch and use that to pay for the data, hoping the costs even out. Either way, it'll give reduced margins on something, but probably create higher product volumes, making it a good choice both business-wise, and for consumers.

I'm also wondering why they made the Nano bigger. It can't be because of the bigger screen, because that's why people buy the iPod classic. Either they're retiring the classic (possible), or they've added something major. I think they found that adding something inevitably made it bigger, and that they had space for a larger screen. Or they've done something to the shuffle to make that the new choice for people who like their iPods with a dash of anorexia.

[twoodcc]

well he could be right, we'll see. can't wait for tomorrow!

[Compile 'em all]

Interesting. I use iTunes on XP at work, and don't see any of teh problems you stated. The scrolling is very responsive, and I don't get any 10 second (or even 1 second) delays. I've got a library with 17456 songs in it.

I like how both of you are commenting on the speed of iTunes without even thinking of mentioning the specs of your machines. CPU/RAM make a huge diff in how apps behave/respond to user input.

[Compile 'em all]

blah blah blah I want to know stuff too and be famous on the internets blah blah bla

what are you so angry about? Kevin Rose is a cool dude, he got some insider info (this aint the first time). You on the other hand, gave us nothing to talk about other than your horrid post.

[ezekielrage_99]

This is silly.... Although iTunes 8 is coming this image is just pure speculation.

[gcmexico]

I can't wait till tomorrow!! should be good..hoping for an ATV update!

[iMacmatician]

iTunes needed to be rewritten. If they just grafted some new crap onto the same old bloated app, like this dumb 'grid view' and 'genius playlist' ....then I won't even download it.The last time they rewrote consumer software *cough* iMovie *cough*, it was met with considerable disdain...

...I'm not so sure if they will do the same thing with iTunes.

:D:p

[137489]

Some people have been complaining about the lag in itunes. I have a library of 5,000 songs and growing. the only time I have had a lag on my mac or pc is when I have multiple applications hitting the disk. Other than that within a second or two the song starts.

[Pigumon]

Putting your text in large is obnoxious. As is persisting to make your point after being banned - obviously that meant nobody cared for your opinion, but you still felt that urge to let us all know anyway.

The difference between that article and Rose's predictions are large: firstly, Rose claims to have actual information, not just logical speculation. Whilst the latter might be fun, everyone can come up with their own ideas - it doesn't make it real. Real insider information (if indeed that's what Rose has) is real. That's why we pay attention to it.

Also, Rose's information has been backed up: Ars reports they've heard the same thing, he got the date pretty much spot on (to the day, IIRC), and the picture he posted has been backed up by various sources of similar iPods and even actual products on retail shelves. Now, despite what you might think, case manufacturers don't go on rumours. They have large volumes of products to make, and it's expensive, and Apple partly depend on the 3rd parties for the iPod's success. They do get information from Apple. If a company as big as Hama are releasing cases for the new Nano, it's real. The other pictures all look perfectly legit.

Then we come to the third reason: his track record. He's pretty good at Apple rumors, and his ability to make a multi-million dollar web startup with Digg shows us that he's not just bored - he's got the money to go out having fun, or buy another startup. He's also probably got the connections being administrator of a site like Digg earns you. He's not some lonely teenager, massaging his love for Apple because he can't get a date - he's a millionaire technology enthusiast, with genuine connections and a record for being close to the mark on Apple rumours.

You have some kind of vendetta against him. Drop it. He called this one.

He called nothing. He just made the same sweeping generalizations that others have been making. "Claiming" to have real information does NOT in fact make it any more real than "speculation".

Having other sites "back-up" his claims is actually backwards, the other sites have had this type of info forever, and he just packages it into tiny wow bites that mac users really eat up. He's a showman taking credit for other people's work.

Now to the others saying "the event's gonna suck if he's right", WHY? Why are you assuming that his information is ALL the information? He's just pumping up existing rumors, if this was everything, Apple would have shut him up before we new about it. iPod Touch 2.1 but nothing about higher capacity?

There will be more, and it will be big.


But now that I think of it, with all this need to know before the event, breaking NDA's, Jobs should just get up on stage and pull everything out of his pockets, set it on a table, and say, "yeah here's the stuff you already know about, thanks for coming, and one more thing- ***** YOU". ...sorry

[137489]

The last time they rewrote consumer software *cough* iMovie *cough*, it was met with considerable disdain...

...I'm not so sure if they will do the same thing with iTunes.

:D:p

iMove may lack some advanced features, but I have used it and I like some of its features for quick movies. I am happy with iLife as a whole. Now iWork, yep does need a little more work to compete in the market of office suites.

[iMacmatician]

There will be more, and it will be big.Maybe it's just more details to the products already covered by rumors rather than new products.

iMove may lack some advanced features, but I have used it and I like some of its features for quick movies. I am happy with iLife as a whole. There were those (me included) who praised iMovie despite some shortcomings. But just like what happened with iMovie, if Apple rewrites iTunes, any praisers would be overshadowed by the number of people who will start saying "Apple took out feature XYZ!!1! NOOO!!! Worst software decision EVAR!@!1!!1!"

[birch25]

He called nothing. He just made the same sweeping generalizations that others have been making. "Claiming" to have real information does NOT in fact make it any more real than "speculation".

Having other sites "back-up" his claims is actually backwards, the other sites have had this type of info forever, and he just packages it into tiny wow bites that mac users really eat up. He's a showman taking credit for other people's work.

Now to the others saying "the event's gonna suck if he's right", WHY? Why are you assuming that his information is ALL the information? He's just pumping up existing rumors, if this was everything, Apple would have shut him up before we new about it. iPod Touch 2.1 but nothing about higher capacity?

There will be more, and it will be big.


But now that I think of it, with all this need to know before the event, breaking NDA's, Jobs should just get up on stage and pull everything out of his pockets, set it on a table, and say, "yeah here's the stuff you already know about, thanks for coming, and one more thing- ***** YOU". ...sorry

this is not the first event kevin broke the news about. he had inside info on the iphone and broke that news on diggnation well before anyone else. also he broke the news this time about the genius feature as well as the new visualizer and the new view in itunes 8 (he even drew us a friggin picture of that one). the only thing he didn't reveal first was the new nano design which he merely confirmed.

is it so hard to believe that kevin rose may have friends at apple who happen to mention upcoming products to him? mr. rose is a big name in the tech biz today and if you can't conceive that he has any inside info on his favorite company in the world, you're just proud to be ignorant.

[Eric S.]

... and the new view in itunes 8 (he even drew us a friggin picture of that one). ...

To be fair, for that one he said "if I had to guess, I'd say iTunes 8.0 looks a little something like this," which sounds like pure speculation.

[jackfrost123]

//Ha, ha I read Rose's wiki...this is the supposed wiz kid? Ha, ha, ha, ha, some tv persona, turned .com bubble perpatratror, turned (supposedly) digg bilionaire after sucking up to Steve Wozniak? Well let's wait about the next .com bubble. Man are we gonna have a laugh. To all digg addicts here, if you don't like what I am saying don't read ok? Go to digg where you spend 99% of your lives set up a shrine to the kid and digg the post you dont like down!!

what are you so angry about? Kevin Rose is a cool dude, he got some insider info (this aint the first time). You on the other hand, gave us nothing to talk about other than your horrid post.

I am not angry I just don't like the way he's suddenly become no. 1 source for macrumors, and I don't like the fact that his predictions are mediocre at best. As for my horrid post...well...go over to digg and suck up to your uber geek idol. Ask him for a handout and about his ladder fetish too.

Must you mention "old time pro Danny Dilger" in every thread that involves Rose making predictions?

Rose has nailed quite a few things, the least of which has been the exact date of tomorrow event. He's got *someone* giving him inside access.

What exact date? When did he predict that? A few days before the event? When the internet was abuzz about it? Give me a break. And yeah I will mention Dan Dilger when and if I want to, I didn't police anyone here on mentioning or name dropping anyone. Does it hurt that Dan thinks Rose is a hack? Does it hurt (some) that Dilger is by far and away a better writer and technologist than the tv kid?

Putting your text in large is obnoxious. As is persisting to make your point after being banned - obviously that meant nobody cared for your opinion, but you still felt that urge to let us all know anyway.


LargER font is there for a reason. I am not explaining it to you , I can't be bother, figure it out. If I persist in making a point or not is none of your f. business. Who the made you point police all of a sudden?

[jackfrost123]

He called nothing. He just made the same sweeping generalizations that others have been making. "Claiming" to have real information does NOT in fact make it any more real than "speculation".

Having other sites "back-up" his claims is actually backwards, the other sites have had this type of info forever, and he just packages it into tiny wow bites that mac users really eat up. He's a showman taking credit for other people's work.

Now to the others saying "the event's gonna suck if he's right", WHY? Why are you assuming that his information is ALL the information? He's just pumping up existing rumors, if this was everything, Apple would have shut him up before we new about it. iPod Touch 2.1 but nothing about higher capacity?

There will be more, and it will be big.


But now that I think of it, with all this need to know before the event, breaking NDA's, Jobs should just get up on stage and pull everything out of his pockets, set it on a table, and say, "yeah here's the stuff you already know about, thanks for coming, and one more thing- ***** YOU". ...sorry

Amen.:apple:

[jackfrost123]

and his ability to make a multi-million dollar web startup with Digg shows us that he's not just bored - he's got the money to go out having fun, or buy another startup.

Ha,ha,ha...the only multi million dollar about Digg is the money that has been put IN, not the money that has been generated. I am sure all the .com bubbles were "multi-million dollar web startups". But of course it's the internet, where everyone is an imaginary millionaire...

[pooryou]

Does anyone even care about digg.com? Personally I have never visited that site once in my entire life.

[wbeasley]

then the "speculation" and arguing over who is right and who is wrong with their guesses (and media whoring <g>) will be over and we can focus on whether we like the new stuff or should we buy the current ones before they run out.

i'm just glad i get to sleep a few hours in between so i don't have to read anymore petty in-fighting... (oh yes, I could stop reading these threads but i was hoping someone might have some ideas/knowledge/insight before the event).

[jackfrost123]

then the "speculation" and arguing over who is right and who is wrong with their guesses (and media whoring <g>) will be over and we can focus on whether we like the new stuff or should we buy the current ones before they run out.

i'm just glad i get to sleep a few hours in between so i don't have to read anymore petty in-fighting... (oh yes, I could stop reading these threads but i was hoping someone might have some ideas/knowledge/insight before the event).

I am 100% behind you on this one, and I am willing to take my, um, say 25% share of petty in fighting. And you also said it best when you said "media whoring "...which is part of the point I have been trying to make.:apple:

[jackfrost123]

Does anyone even care about digg.com? Personally I have never visited that site once in my entire life.

I 've not once visited digg in my life. I am sure I 'll hear about it when yet another bubble goes plop!

[kramden88]

with grid view i guess microsoft can finally claim that apple swiped something from them.

[SirCrumpet]

So basiacally they are taking "Just for You" out of beta, and moving the grid view from Movies to Music.

I'm amazed no one has mentioned we have had grid view in iTunes for ages already..

http://www.eagerdesigns.com.au/images/skitch/iTunes-20080909-110759.png

[Compile 'em all]

I am not angry I just don't like the way he's suddenly become no. 1 source for macrumors, and I don't like the fact that his predictions are mediocre at best. As for my horrid post...well...go over to digg and suck up to your uber geek idol. Ask him for a handout and about his ladder fetish too.



He was never number 1 for the source of macrumors, YOU need to stop making generalizations. It just happens this time that he has some info about the upcoming event. Also, what does digg has to do with anything?.

He is on the frontpage of macrumors, you are not. Get over it.

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5987/2423wb7wf7.jpg

[pooryou]

If 'grid view' is like the view in the Movies tab they can keep it.

If it's going to replace Cover Flow then fine, but browsing by album is not the most important way to interact with a music library.

[kramden88]

If 'grid view' is like the view in the Movies tab they can keep it.

If it's going to replace Cover Flow then fine, but browsing by album is not the most important way to interact with a music library.

they wouldn't replace cover flow but if they did then i wouldn't download the new version.

[pooryou]

Well if grid view is just another way to view albums it seems like a linear version of Cover Flow. I don't see the point.

[bobertoq]

I'm just hoping it doesn't look exactly the same as 7 with new features. I have this dark UI stuck in my head. Sort of winamp like (but not exactly like winamp!)

[PhotoPhoenix]

i've never liked these new views ever since cover flow. i think those new pretty views are cool only if you're trying to show off your mac to someone. other than that, it's not really "faster".

[FightTheFuture]

I'm just hoping it doesn't look exactly the same as 7 with new features.it's very possible that they'll stick with the same look - iTunes didn't lose the brushed metal till version 6! if they do drastically change the UI then you can bet the theme will be integrated into Snow Leopard.

[Libitina]

Mac rumours mentioned by Sky news (uk). (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Technology/Apple-Lets-Rock-Event-Steve-Jobs-Set-To-Make-iPod-Or-iTunes-Announcement-In-California-Today/Article/200809215095659?lpos=Technology_1&lid=ARTICLE_15095659_Apple%2BLet%2527s%2BRock%2BEvent%253A%2BSteve%2BJobs%2BSet%2BTo%2BMake%2BiPod%2 BOr%2BiTunes%2BAnnouncement%2BIn%2BCalifornia%2BToday)

[johnmcboston]

i've never liked these new views ever since cover flow. i think those new pretty views are cool only if you're trying to show off your mac to someone...

Agreed. Between on line purchases and "ripping and filing" new CDs, I have no clue what my albums look like any more. Seeing the covers as I play something is interesting - but with coverflow I wouldn't know what most of my music is. It's reminiscent of my LP days, but kids these days have never had that experience, so I've always been puzzled by the attraction to coverflow...

I'm just worried they'll add a bunch of new features without adding functionality to what they have now. Podcast management is a disaster - made worse by the company that turned podcast into an actual word. Now that I've got hundreds of podcasts, trying to manage them become sa burden, yet with every new cool feature itunes adds, the podcast window/settings never gets touched. sigh. (And I notice last night itunes isn't even copying the right podcasts to my ipod. double sigh)

[johnmcboston]

with grid view i guess microsoft can finally claim that apple swiped something from them.

Well, there are few other things I wish Apple would steal from them....

[tungmeister]

i'd love to see coverflow implemented as seen on the iphone/itouch, especially when you have coverflow in full screen, its totally useless if you want a specific song from an album

[zedsdead]

I imagine this grid view will be like how albums are presented in iPhoto. When scrolling over the cover, rather can displacing pictures, iTunes will display the tracks of the album, sort of like how Stacks look in grid mode.

[MacBass]

Why hasn't Apple disposed of this guy yet? :confused:

Where are the ninjas?

Oh, sorry, sorry, I was busy getting my 3G activated, I'll go fetch my katana...