iPhone 2.1 Firmware Coming on Friday: Bug Fixes, Connectivity and Battery Life

[Scott437]

I have a theory - Apple will stabilize the Iphone with a series of updates and then once this is done they will release an update with new features and charge us all for it. Thoughts?

[mike12806]

I have a theory - Apple will stabilize the Iphone with a series of updates and then once this is done they will release an update with new features and charge us all for it. Thoughts?

Unlikely, if they haven't charged for updates and new features yet, it's hard to believe they will start now. Esp. when things like the Push API were promised pre 2.0 release.

[Glideslope]

I did not hear anyone complaining about jumping to AT&T knowing their network was ****. Now that the iPhone is having problems everyone is complaining. Everyone knew going in what to expect with AT&T.

Ah, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I'll sleep better tonight knowing there are people like you in the world.
:apple:

[cocky jeremy]

No Push? No GPS? No MMS? We're supposed to be impressed with bug fixes? Half of which probably won't work. 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 were both supposed to have "bug fixes" and they were both as bad, if not worse, than the version before each of them.. grrrr.

[dizzy13]

No Push? No GPS? No MMS? We're supposed to be impressed with bug fixes? Half of which probably won't work. 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 were both supposed to have "bug fixes" and they were both as bad, if not worse, than the version before each of them.. grrrr.

We don't know if there is no push or GPS enhancement yet. It wasn't really an iPhone event so it was just a brief you'll get it on Friday thing. I don't think we will ever see MMS. And I don't really care. Since people can just email me photos from their phone to my gmail and I can email them from my iPhone to number@theirproviderMMSemail.com (like @vzwpix.com for verizon), its really not a big deal and MMS is crappy compared to regular email.

[zedsdead]

Stability & Backup Time Reduction were the best news of the day:D Let's hope it's true, because they said that about the 2.01 & 2.02 updates, which did nothing.

[ryant601]

the 2.1 beta was seeded to developers, surely theres something they're hiding, otherwise that would be completley pointless. just my two cents.

[CANEHDN]

Screw new features. I want this stupid thing to get better reception. It's ridiculous at how many dropped calls I get. My wife and everyone at my work with that phone all have the same problem. The way they worded "Fewer Dropped Calls" worries me. It sounds like there will still be a bunch of them just fewer than before.

[Van Wildonher]

Not til Friday, what the hell are they waiting for?

Oh and I guess there aren't any "hidden" features or what?

[saturniphone]

Ah, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I'll sleep better tonight knowing there are people like you in the world.
:apple:

Not sure what you're congratulating him for. Apple has already admitted they had bugs prior to 2.0.2 that caused it to require too much bandwidth. That's an Apple problem, not AT&T.

[saxman]

I'm keeping my expectations low. I'll be happy with big fixes

[senorian]

If 2.1 it fixes bugs that is no bad thing as there are many but why call it 2.1?as there is nothing new.

MMS - It never really worked with my SonyEricsson and all the technology is going towards email so I think MMS is being quietly dropped.

Videophone - yea remember that never worked on my Sony either still early days if any days....

Cut & Paste - What I have heard that this function is great way to hack into the OS of a phone and hence Apple are very relunctant to do this.Which might be similar problem to tethering a phone.

Well can't wait to see what the updates does.:)

I'm sorry but what Sony Ericsson phone did you have that MMS didn't work for???? I had the W810i and MMS worked perfectly. Also, the video worked perfectly fine for the W810i. sure it was choppy at times but it worked fine for the most part. i had at least a dozen video clips saved and i lost track of how many times i used MMS.

[lazyrighteye]

Looks like the iPod/Music app took some cues from the Remote app and made song lists better. No longer are they limited to just the song name -- now we get artist and album. Very nice.

http://angledwhiteboards.com/images/music1.png
http://angledwhiteboards.com/images/music2.png

Oooh. That's actually a nice little tweak.
Was always bugging me...

[kalafalas]

battery life, the device actually working, and faster backups, are #1 priority and are the best news i've heard in a long time. but of there isent genius on iPhone, I WILL BE PISSED. but i bet there will be, cause if they diden't apple knew they would have like everyone ever coming at them with pitchforks.

but my #1 main concern at this point, WHERE IS PUSH. i want aim to finally be useful!!!!!!! gaaaa
:apple:

[darkfiber]

MacRumors posted this summary of what Steve said about 2.1 update for iPhone...

"Alongside the other announcements, Apple announced that the iPhone 2.1 firmware will be released this Friday as a free update. The much anticipated version upgrade will address many of the issues that have been plaguing iPhone users. Changes include:

- Significantly better battery life
- Fewer call drops
- Bug fixes
- Faster backups to iTunes
- No App crashes"

I just watched the presentation and Steve DID NOT say "No App Crashes".

What he said was "we have fixed a lot of bugs where if you have a lot of apps on the phone, your not going to get some of the crashes we've seen."

[darkfiber]

Not til Friday, what the hell are they waiting for?

Oh and I guess there aren't any "hidden" features or what?

I would imagine they are waiting to release it when it is ready? Or perhaps not wanting to release it at the exact time iTunes 8.0 comes out.

[DaveTheGrey]

Shake to shuffle for the iphone, please? :D

[Ollywood]

I've had the hour-long backups, but that's it. I've had I think one dropped call. Safari has never once crashed on me. Keyboard lag hasn't been a problem (only occurs rarely). It's been a great phone for me.

No crashes! You haven't pushed the envelope. Try logging into some sites that'll crash safari or use some third party apps like Truphone or early versions of new free software that does it too.:)

[RussOniPhone]

Still getting very slow backups, I just abort it. Also getting this error even with iTunes 7. etc...

The application "Application Name" was not installed on the iPhone "My iPhone Name" because an unknown error occurred (0xE800002E)

This happens with many programs, I fixed it once buy deleting the program both from the iPhone and my computer, but it keeps coming back. I will give Apple another chance with 2.1 if not I will delete most programs from my iPhone and see ( ha ha ) if I can get a refund on some of the apps..it's the principle not the cash...it's too much work to keep the apps up to date on the iPhone I like some of the programs a lot, but it's so much work to keep them updated and going through the same junk when it has to be updated. Oh I even tried to De-authorize and Authorize my computer like Apple suggested...no more tired of this, can't even install an update on the iPhone most 99% of the time says there is a problem go to iTunes to get it installed/updated..

[ntrigue]

What time of day do these typically release? I intend to Erase All Settings (heard this takes two hours) and would like to let it Erase overnight. The when I wake I will install 2.1 fresh!

[jukebox]

MacRumors posted this summary of what Steve said about 2.1 update for iPhone...

"Alongside the other announcements, Apple announced that the iPhone 2.1 firmware will be released this Friday as a free update. The much anticipated version upgrade will address many of the issues that have been plaguing iPhone users. Changes include:

- Significantly better battery life
- Fewer call drops
- Bug fixes
- Faster backups to iTunes
- No App crashes"

I just watched the presentation and Steve DID NOT say "No App Crashes".

What he said was "we have fixed a lot of bugs where if you have a lot of apps on the phone, your not going to get some of the crashes we've seen."

Right.. He said you aren't going to see them. Meaning, crashes aren't going to occur anymore. This isn't difficult to follow.

[Rybold]

Whoa! People who are still running the 1.x firmware, who never upgraded to 2.0, will
actually have to PAY $9.95 for the 2.1 update !

Is this Steve's way of getting back at those that didn't update because they thought it would relock their phone? Why are they charging, and isn't it unfair to charge them? Do you see an impending lawsuit?

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/letsrock/ at 48.01 he starts talking about it.

[mckennadt]

We don't know if there is no push or GPS enhancement yet. It wasn't really an iPhone event so it was just a brief you'll get it on Friday thing. I don't think we will ever see MMS. And I don't really care. Since people can just email me photos from their phone to my gmail and I can email them from my iPhone to number@theirproviderMMSemail.com (like @vzwpix.com for verizon), its really not a big deal and MMS is crappy compared to regular email.

i agree with you 150%, mms is old technology and email is the way forward!!

[Rybold]

i agree with you 150%, mms is old technology and email is the way forward!!

We need a way to download attachments though. If someone sends me photos in an email, I should be able to download the pics into my iPhone's photo album. If they send me a word document, I should be able to download it, save it onto my phone's memory, and then add attachments when I send outgoing email.

[sneeks]

Whoa! People who are still running the 1.x firmware, who never upgraded to 2.0, will
actually have to PAY $9.95 for the 2.1 update !

Is this Steve's way of getting back at those that didn't update because they thought it would relock their phone? Why are they charging, and isn't it unfair to charge them? Do you see an impending lawsuit?


That charge is for Touch owners only, the iPhone update remains free for everyone.

[Rybold]

That charge is for Touch owners only, the iPhone update remains free for everyone.

Thank you for clearing that up! :)

[odelay]

We need a way to download attachments though. If someone sends me photos in an email, I should be able to download the pics into my iPhone's photo album. If they send me a word document, I should be able to download it, save it onto my phone's memory, and then add attachments when I send outgoing email.

You already can download image/photo attachments. Just hold your finger on the picture like in safari, and you get an option to download it to your photos app.

[bronksy]

Here's one.. People here are moaning about the crashes, the restores and the i issues with the iPhone 3G.. Have any of you EVER tried using Windows Mobile devices?? If you have you wont be complaining about a crud operating system that hogs your device.

Microshaft have had YEARS to sort their mobile OS but its SO SO behind Apple, and considering how many devices Apple have launched with a mobile OS on them its a pretty good effort.


I have spend hundreds of pounds buying software for Windows Mobile... mainly not to ENHANCE the experience like Apple Apps, but to actually get some basic functionality to be better.. calendar, email etc..

Go use a Windows Mobile for a couple of weeks, load it up with similar apps and see how lucky you are that you have an iPhone...

Trust me.. the grass is always greener on the other side :)

[edgarf28]

Shake to shuffle for the iphone, please? :D

no, not in this update..
that will be the main feature for the iPhone 4G :rolleyes:;)

[BongoBanger]

Here's one.. People here are moaning about the crashes, the restores and the i issues with the iPhone 3G.. Have any of you EVER tried using Windows Mobile devices?? If you have you wont be complaining about a crud operating system that hogs your device.

Yes. I own an Omnia. It works better for me than the iPhone did.

Microshaft have had YEARS to sort their mobile OS but its SO SO behind Apple, and considering how many devices Apple have launched with a mobile OS on them its a pretty good effort.

Stop making excuses. The iPhone is currently less stable than both the Omnia and the HTC Diamond (which believe me aren't perfect).

I have spend hundreds of pounds buying software for Windows Mobile... mainly not to ENHANCE the experience like Apple Apps, but to actually get some basic functionality to be better.. calendar, email etc..

Bulls**t. The Outlook sync function on Windows is still the one to beat for functionality. As for e-mail, WinMo supports full e-mail functionality for multiple accounts.

As for apps. Care to point out where I can get mobile office for the iPhone?

Go use a Windows Mobile for a couple of weeks, load it up with similar apps and see how lucky you are that you have an iPhone...

I have. The phone I have suits my needs better.

Trust me.. the grass is always greener on the other side :)

No it's not but using a strawman to try and cover up the flaws in the iPhone's current firmware isn't particularly clever especially when your arguments are largely a load of crap.

[vvebsta]

Yes. I own an Omnia. It works better for me than the iPhone did.

Stop making excuses. The iPhone is currently less stable than both the Omnia and the HTC Diamond (which believe me aren't perfect).

Bulls**t. The Outlook sync function on Windows is still the one to beat for functionality. As for e-mail, WinMo supports full e-mail functionality for multiple accounts.

As for apps. Care to point out where I can get mobile office for the iPhone?

I have. The phone I have suits my needs better.

No it's not but using a strawman to try and cover up the flaws in the iPhone's current firmware isn't particularly clever especially when your arguments are largely a load of crap.

BongoBanger stop complaining just to complain. If you like the Omnia so much then USE IT and stop whining about it.

[peterhenley]

After updating to 2.1, iPod backup/Sync went from 30 mins+ to ~2 mins......

[jaggunothing]

Sorry to jump in BUT i also am a win mob user for last couple of years and have tried out atleast 3 diff manufacturers in these years for extended period. Last being HTC but my observations are as below in Bold

Yes. I own an Omnia. It works better for me than the iPhone did.

Stop making excuses. The iPhone is currently less stable than both the Omnia and the HTC Diamond (which believe me aren't perfect).

Its your personal opinion and i respect that, but i have used diamond and it still has same ol memory hogging issue (less compared to Touch but still there) and voice clarity is pathetic compared to iPhone

Stability is debatable, load them with loads of 3rd part apps and then compare. A virgin iPhone is rock solid even on 2 software. I intentionally did try this to find out the effect of 3rd party apps and i had no issue what so ever till i started loading 3rd part apps. On win mob, on the other hand watch the memory usage slowly fill up with regular stock apps (that came with the phone)

Bulls**t. The Outlook sync function on Windows is still the one to beat for functionality. As for e-mail, WinMo supports full e-mail functionality for multiple accounts.

As for apps. Care to point out where I can get mobile office for the iPhone?

Completely agree, functionality wise Mob Off and Active sync are a league apart, but form wise pretty basic. I for one cant/dont have patience to type long emails on HTC touch screen devices, iPhone i have been replying to lot many more of work emails ;)

I have. The phone I have suits my needs better.

Glad to know you like your devices, and all the very best. After few years of won mob and one year of resisting classic iPhone, i can say i dont have any regrets now that i moved to iPhone 3G. Very sure the niggles are and will be addressed by Apple soon




Well if i can endure some 6 upgraded firmware on winmob which pretty much didnt solve any issues, i can very well bank on Apple which atleast is showing some pretty darn changes (for the good) with each upgrade.

[bronksy]

no HTML emails, not easy to type without a keyboard, numerous resets per day, home screens and software bastardised by Cellular operators filling up the ROM with crap.. is this better?

[BongoBanger]

BongoBanger stop complaining just to complain. If you like the Omnia so much then USE IT and stop whining about it.

I am, sparky. I'm not complaining about the iPhone cos it's a great device. I'm pointing out that the firmware has issues and disingenious comparisons to other phones and mobile operating systems ain't going to change that.

As jaggunothing points out - and I respect his reasoned counterpoints - the iPhone still has issues. Will they be resolved? Yeah, very probably but that doesn't mean they're not there so your grass is greener argument is just, quite frankly, a load of bollocks.

Now v2.1 might. Let's see, shall we?

no HTML emails,

My Omnia does those.

not easy to type without a keyboard

My Omnia has a tactile feedback QWERTY in landscape and portrait plus T9 and condensed QWERTY. The one thing I wish it had that the iPhone does is the letter notification when pressed and a central spacebar in landscape. Apart from that it's just as easy to use.

numerous resets per day

Two in three weeks so far.

home screens and software bastardised by Cellular operators filling up the ROM with crap.. is this better?

As opposed to Apple filling their home screns with proprietary crap?

Is it better? For me yes, for others probably not.

Your stawman has been blown away.

[srexy]

Here's one.. People here are moaning about the crashes, the restores and the i issues with the iPhone 3G.. Have any of you EVER tried using Windows Mobile devices?? If you have you wont be complaining about a crud operating system that hogs your device.

Microshaft have had YEARS to sort their mobile OS but its SO SO behind Apple, and considering how many devices Apple have launched with a mobile OS on them its a pretty good effort.


I have spend hundreds of pounds buying software for Windows Mobile... mainly not to ENHANCE the experience like Apple Apps, but to actually get some basic functionality to be better.. calendar, email etc..

Go use a Windows Mobile for a couple of weeks, load it up with similar apps and see how lucky you are that you have an iPhone...

Trust me.. the grass is always greener on the other side :)

Hear hear!

My win-mob phone was the most godawful POS I've ever had the misfortune of using. The interface was horrendous at best, it was buggy, slow, call quality marginal, speakerphone non-existant, it weighed half a ton and my favourite refrain with it was "god I hate this phone!". Its only redeeming feature was that it was fairly sturdy.

You haven't truly experienced hell until you've suffered one of these abominations. My iPhone brings me joy in comparison.

[bronksy]

All i know is that I've been using Windows Mobile since they were invented, and on the Psions before that.. I had the first batch of Ipaq's in the UK when they were released probably about 8 years ago now..
As A PDA only they were revolutionary. When they introduced the 'phone' side of things, with the big handsets etc they were terrible, they were 1st gen and awful, 2nd gen (which is where we are now with iPhone) were also horriffic. People complain about battery life and dropped calls.. 70% of the time on WinMo there was no way of even making calls because the thing froze.. ok So apples apps crash.. but the whole phone sort of settles and is useable again.
The most used button on any of my WinMo phones was the reset thing underneath. It would need pressing with the stylus about 6/7 times a week at least, and the phone would take several minutes to reboot.

For a 2nd gen device, the iphone, IMO is pretty much the best balance of usability and PDA and entertainment I've ever had.. and i've had a LOT of phones and devices.

Which Phone/PDA has a good a music player as the ipod? Have any of you tried syncing a WinMo device with your music library through that god awful Windows Media Player? Its rubbish. It takes forever and Winows Media player files music like a retarded dog.

All i say is dont complain about your iPhones too much until you've tried another OS.. and yes Symbian is not that great either these days.

If there's some fixes that make the iPhone snappier then bring them on.

Do you realise how long Microshaft take to release updates? Even when they did the Operators didn't release them for another year.. so they could 'test' the ROMS.. (put their own crap on the ROM and remove features and change the colour schemes etc) after which you'd replaced your handset anyways.

WinMo has its market, but never have I had a phone and not NEEDED to add anything to it to make it work properly. iPhone IMO doesn't need other stuff on it to give you a good experience, you need the apps for a better experienced.

[kyrow123]

I think we are all missing the point in that we (as consumers) will choose what suits our needs best. Currently, I have two phones, a BlackBerry and iPhone. Only reason I use the BB is so that I can read and respond to work emails during the day. As soon as I get home and on the weekends, that BB goes away because I don't want to work during my personal time, so I switch over to my iPhone because I like the music and photo features of that phone much better. They all can have a place in your life, but it is us who should continually challenge the companies that make these consumer products for us. In the end, we are the true victors of this game (and isn't that how it should be!?).

[dontwalkhand]

Thats the thing, most iPhone users today came from "dumb phones," so this stuff are all new to them.

People who have come from smartphones, such as WinMob devices, the iPhone is still a blessing to us :)

[bronksy]

Thats the thing, most iPhone users today came from "dumb phones," so this stuff are all new to them.

People who have come from smartphones, such as WinMob devices, the iPhone is still a blessing to us :)

AMEN!

[ATLChris]

I was really hoping iPhone 2.1 would have turn by turn integration, or at least a hit by Steve that it is in the work. Part of the reason I bought the 3G was because of th GPS and it is such total grap, but has potential!

[dizzy13]

I was really hoping iPhone 2.1 would have turn by turn integration, or at least a hit by Steve that it is in the work. Part of the reason I bought the 3G was because of th GPS and it is such total grap, but has potential!
Just b/c they didn't mention in the whole 10 seconds he spent on the iPhone at the iPod event doesn't mean we wont be surprised on Friday

[srexy]

All i know is that I've been using Windows Mobile since they were invented, and on the Psions before that.. I had the first batch of Ipaq's in the UK when they were released probably about 8 years ago now..
As A PDA only they were revolutionary. When they introduced the 'phone' side of things, with the big handsets etc they were terrible, they were 1st gen and awful, 2nd gen (which is where we are now with iPhone) were also horriffic. People complain about battery life and dropped calls.. 70% of the time on WinMo there was no way of even making calls because the thing froze.. ok So apples apps crash.. but the whole phone sort of settles and is useable again.
The most used button on any of my WinMo phones was the reset thing underneath. It would need pressing with the stylus about 6/7 times a week at least, and the phone would take several minutes to reboot.

For a 2nd gen device, the iphone, IMO is pretty much the best balance of usability and PDA and entertainment I've ever had.. and i've had a LOT of phones and devices.

Which Phone/PDA has a good a music player as the ipod? Have any of you tried syncing a WinMo device with your music library through that god awful Windows Media Player? Its rubbish. It takes forever and Winows Media player files music like a retarded dog.

All i say is dont complain about your iPhones too much until you've tried another OS.. and yes Symbian is not that great either these days.

If there's some fixes that make the iPhone snappier then bring them on.

Do you realise how long Microshaft take to release updates? Even when they did the Operators didn't release them for another year.. so they could 'test' the ROMS.. (put their own crap on the ROM and remove features and change the colour schemes etc) after which you'd replaced your handset anyways.

WinMo has its market, but never have I had a phone and not NEEDED to add anything to it to make it work properly. iPhone IMO doesn't need other stuff on it to give you a good experience, you need the apps for a better experienced.

Bronsky - I'm grooving to your beat while drinking the cool-aid :D

One other thing I forgot to mention was the inability of my WinMob to co-exist in a Mac world. God help me if I tried to sync my POS w/my MacBook Pro. The only workaround available is an abortion called Missing Sync that is so ***king buggy it makes the WinMob look positively stable in comparison.

The final nail in my WinMob's coffin was when Missing Sync stopped working altogether despite toggling "USB Killer" on and off and numerous reinstalls. Rather than be held ransom by MarkSpace to upgrade to yet another buggy POS version I just elected to get the iPhone.

I've had a few chuckles recently while checking out at the Apple store when I notice their handhelds are all Pocket PC's.

So - anyway - back on topic. I've noticed Safari bombing out a few times - I'll be happy when that stops but never as happy as I was when I hung up my Pocket PC for good.

[marcre]

I'm excited for this. I am real curious as to how much improvement there will be to the battery life. I'd say my only disappointment for the phone is battery life. I knew it would be bad going into it, so it's not that huge of a deal. It is just rough watching it go down while using it.

[vawolf]

Anyone know if the firmware update is just for the 3G, or if it applies to the first generation iPhone as well?

[Crevice]

Anyone know if the firmware update is just for the 3G, or if it applies to the first generation iPhone as well?

It's for all iPhones, all iPhones use the same firmware.

[dizzy13]

It's for all iPhones, all iPhones use the same firmware.

and touches

I believe the firmware just detects the device its installed on to display or not display different features

[Trajectory]

Well, Steve did promise that the bug fixes would improve...

* Battery life.
* Dropped calls.
* OS and app stability.

And also added that there would be "other performance enhancements." I think by "performance enhancements" he means no lag in Contacts or SMS typing, for example. Nothing Steve said yesterday about the 2.1 iPhone update alluded to any new or secret features, so, don't get your hopes up.

I think most people will be happy to have a stable, fast phone that actually works and lasts all day long.

[rhett7660]

I think most people will be happy to have a stable, fast phone that actually works and lasts all day long.

I agree 100% As much as I would like to have more features, lets get the bugs out of the phone now and then add on bug free improvements.

[MacOldTimer!]

Here's one.. People here are moaning about the crashes, the restores and the i issues with the iPhone 3G.. Have any of you EVER tried using Windows Mobile devices?? If you have you wont be complaining about a crud operating system that hogs your device.

Microshaft have had YEARS to sort their mobile OS but its SO SO behind Apple, and considering how many devices Apple have launched with a mobile OS on them its a pretty good effort.


I have spend hundreds of pounds buying software for Windows Mobile... mainly not to ENHANCE the experience like Apple Apps, but to actually get some basic functionality to be better.. calendar, email etc..

Go use a Windows Mobile for a couple of weeks, load it up with similar apps and see how lucky you are that you have an iPhone...

Trust me.. the grass is always greener on the other side :)

This big difference is the 1st gen iPhone with 1.1.4 software was rock solid.
We got used to having a stable phone from our first experience with an Apple phone and expected the 3G or 1st Gen with updated software to run the same or better.

It's been a big let down for many of us.

[Trajectory]

This big difference is the 1st gen iPhone with 1.1.4 software was rock solid.

Are you kidding me? It was not rock solid, it also had lost of issues that took a few big fixes to work out.

[rhett7660]

This big difference is the 1st gen iPhone with 1.1.4 software was rock solid.
We got used to having a stable phone from our first experience with an Apple phone and expected the 3G or 1st Gen with updated software to run the same or better.

It's been a big let down for many of us.

Isn't that the truth, i couldn't agree more. Oh how I loved 1.1.4. Rock solid no crashes, everything just worked on it! Loved it. 2.0 rolls around, granted I really like some of the features but I feel like we are the beta testers and this version isn't the final version for mass use.

[App1€]

Are you kidding me? It was not rock solid, it also had lost of issues that took a few big fixes to work out.

Clearly you didn't own the first gen iPhone then

1.1.4 NEVER HAD ISSUES also there were no more bug fixes it was 1.1.4 then 2.0

[mike12806]

Why has the push API or lack thereof been totally ignored on these forums? If it's not there in 2.1, that's a big letdown on a promised feature.

[nitro9999]

i want stability and the third party apps to work seamlessly...;)

JOBSY is becoming sloppy...!!!

[App1€]

Why has the push API or lack thereof been totally ignored on these forums? If it's not there in 2.1, that's a big letdown on a promised feature.

Because we know it will come. Sure we would prefer it now, but right now we have to focus on what we KNOW is coming.

Also Jobs never said it WASN'T he may have found it unneeded because he already said it would come in September. Not likely but who knows?

[manhattanboy]

i want stability and the third party apps to work seamlessly...;)

JOBSY is becoming sloppy...!!!

Not really... he's just had to "thin down" his priorities...

[kovalchuk71]

Well, Steve did promise that the bug fixes would improve...

* Battery life.
* Dropped calls.
* OS and app stability.

And also added that there would be "other performance enhancements." I think by "performance enhancements" he means no lag in Contacts or SMS typing, for example. Nothing Steve said yesterday about the 2.1 iPhone update alluded to any new or secret features, so, don't get your hopes up.

I think most people will be happy to have a stable, fast phone that actually works and lasts all day long.

Wasn't the last update supposed to "stop SMS lag" as well? I can tell that worked well... :rolleyes:

[mike12806]

Well, Steve did promise that the bug fixes would improve...

* Battery life.
* Dropped calls.
* OS and app stability.

And also added that there would be "other performance enhancements." I think by "performance enhancements" he means no lag in Contacts or SMS typing, for example. Nothing Steve said yesterday about the 2.1 iPhone update alluded to any new or secret features, so, don't get your hopes up.

I think most people will be happy to have a stable, fast phone that actually works and lasts all day long.
These aren't performance enhancements, these are bug fixes. The push api is something that enhances performance. Let's not sugar coat this.

[Link2999]

Just saw 2.1 available now. Didn't download since I'm running a jailbroken Touch.

[sixth]

Isn't that the truth, i couldn't agree more. Oh how I loved 1.1.4. Rock solid no crashes, everything just worked on it! Loved it. 2.0 rolls around, granted I really like some of the features but I feel like we are the beta testers and this version isn't the final version for mass use.

man finally someone that is on the same page that I am on...imagine how it is when you have executives that are complaining about dropped calls...this firmware was NO WHERE NEAR ready for prime time...RUSHED RUSHED RUSHED...2.1 BETTER FIX performance and reliability.

....and one more thing....Apple, you want to get into the enterprise? You better start coding and testing better because you are failing so far, and this is from a 1st gen iphone user from the day it came out and every update since...GET IT TOGETHER.

[mocciat]

Just saw 2.1 available now. Didn't download since I'm running a jailbroken Touch.

Where did you see this was available?

[saturniphone]

Clearly you didn't own the first gen iPhone then

1.1.4 NEVER HAD ISSUES also there were no more bug fixes it was 1.1.4 then 2.0

You must be joking. I could crash Safari on demand with 1.1.4 and had multiple friends in the same boat. It wasn't as bad as 2.x, but saying it never had issues is insanity.

[fire44]

What happened to the hidden new features 2.1 was going to get. I hope there's more to come by the end of sept.:apple:

[iEdd]

Where did you see this was available?

Probably iTunes. The touch version is out, the iPhone 2.1 is not (until Friday). Remember that iPod Touch firmware 2.1 ≠ iPhone firmware 2.1.

Edit... (http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=2246)

[dizzy13]

Remember that iPod Touch firmware 2.1 ≠ iPhone firmware 2.1.

That's not what I've heard or seen myself. I've heard they are identical which makes sense. Less stuff to keep track of and maintain. All they have to do is include a couple if then statements for it to work. If 'iPhone' then show 'phone icon'.

[tjcampbell]

"No App Crashes" is not a feature. It's something that should be standard in a product such as this.

[Wotan31]

I am supposed to get excited about bug fixes? You are kidding me?

Yeah, we are the largest beta test group ever... and we're all paying for it too boot.

This is the ONE time I didn't care about no new features. I just want a stable OS for my phone! No more restarts, apps crashing, getting my phone replaced, etc.

Friday can't come quick enough!!!!!
Is it just me, or are these the kind of comments you'd expect to find on a Windows Vista forum? Sad state of affairs when these things are being said about a product based around OS X. :(

[Trajectory]

Is it just me, or are these the kind of comments you'd expect to find on a Windows Vista forum? Sad state of affairs when these things are being said about a product based around OS X. :(

Welcome to OS X Vista.

[iP2]

Then why have all the previous software updates been released at the same time for both devices?

Maybe this time they learned to stagger the release so that their servers don't get hammered?? Also, it was an iPod event...let them Beta it first. :cool:

[Foss]

Question for now is when 2.1 for IPhone will be released Friday. Very early Friday morning or later in the day? I am hoping to grab it before I go to sleep!

[dizzy13]

Question for now is when 2.1 for IPhone will be released Friday. Very early Friday morning or later in the day? I am hoping to grab it before I go to sleep!

I would think they would release it pretty early. I would hope they do it at like 3AM EST time so other countries can start downloading while they are waking up while most people in the US are sleeping. That way there isn't a huge surge of people downloading at the same time from all over the world.

[bronksy]

I would think they would release it pretty early. I would hope they do it at like 3AM EST time so other countries can start downloading while they are waking up while most people in the US are sleeping. That way there isn't a huge surge of people downloading at the same time from all over the world.

Come one then.. has anyone in Ozzie downloaded it yet? Its Tuesday morning.. are they waking up to a surprise down-under?

[dizzy13]

Come one then.. has anyone in Ozzie downloaded it yet? Its Tuesday morning.. are they waking up to a surprise down-under?

Oh good point, they could probably release it in different places at different times depending on where the iTunes account is registered, although that wouldn't be very nice for the US so many hours in the past

[bronksy]

Oh good point, they could probably release it in different places at different times depending on where the iTunes account is registered, although that wouldn't be very nice for the US so many hours in the past

Poor USA, our thoughts go out to you at this time of need. :D

[Crevice]

Just curious, what time does apple usually put out their updates? Is it just a random time during the day, or is it midnight? The reason for my impatience is I just bought a bunch of new app's but I dont want to put them on my phone till after the update, because most likely they will crash my phone if I put them on now.

[tomccabe]

the stability of the applications always comes down to the individual developers.

REALLY?!?! So the fact that Apple has to accept developers into the program and approve EACH AND EVERY APP before it goes live, the responsibility, in your wacked opinion, falls solely on the developer?!?!?

Here's a clue: APPLE has the say to decide when ANY app is made available in THEIR store. If it doesn't work, it shouldn't be there.

[bronksy]

Just curious, what time does apple usually put out their updates? Is it just a random time during the day, or is it midnight? The reason for my impatience is I just bought a bunch of new app's but I dont want to put them on my phone till after the update, because most likely they will crash my phone if I put them on now.

Basically Jobs sits there in bed, with his new (unseen MacBook Pro) with his Wireless Mighty mouse hovering over a 'send' button..
He cracks open a couple of tinnies, sticks on his favourite porno and when he's well and truly ready.. hits that send button

[tomccabe]

If an app causes my phone to crash, I don't use it.

So, how many users were offered their money back on apps that crashed? Oh, just "don't use" an app that i paid $9.99 for. Great solution! You must work in the iPhone dept in Cupertino with that kind of logic.

[jeffereyj]

so much hostility in this thread! :confused:

[bronksy]

so much hostility in this thread! :confused:

Pre-2.1-stress.. cant... cope...with...the..wait..to.. spend...4....hours....restoring....my.....phone...to...see....nothing....different...

[Foss]

I used to have a slew of problems but it's fairly manageable now. Eventually it would hard reboot and lock on the loading screen. Put the Iphone into recovery mode and do a full reset. Then do NOT restore from a backup. You will lose previous SMS messages, pictures that are not synced, settings, etc. Then sync to get your apps, movies, music, etc back. Then trudge through getting the rest of the settings up and running. Also, I highly recommend not installing more than 20 apps. 30+ is when things go downhill very quickly. Just choose not to sync more than 20. I suspect with many apps there is data corruption. Hence the previous backup images being bad as well.

[Niko03]

Hate to say it but I must have lucked out.
And this isn't to rub it in, but just to add some conterbalance
to all the problems that people report.

I truly symphasize with those with major issues.

I think my iPhone, 16GB 3G, locked up once, and all it took was shutting it down and restarting.
I've never had safari crash,( and I have done some extended browsing).

And I've had no problems downloading and installing apps, 3g or wireless.
(Once I start downloading an app, I set the phone down until its done, -[I don't even look at it cross-eyed] - and once the app is done installing I power down and restart) Not one app crash.

I've got 32 apps installed but only have about 5GB of content, so I guess it's pretty lean.

I've only had two quirky incedents.
1 -Shortly after I got it, I couldn't hear callers. They could hear me however. I remembered I had just used the headphone jack for the first time so I tried plugging in the jack again and pulling it out. Never had the problem since.
2 - I never really had a problem with back ups until someone called me while performing a backup. It got dorked up, and the SMS keyboard lagged big time. But all I had to do was, shut down restart and wait for the ridiculously long backup to happen. Since then backups are only slightly longer than before, and the keyboard seems fine. And I did experience
Oh and after I loaded XP SP3 outlook won't sync anymore, but I chaulk that up to Windows.

I don't live in a big city so I don't have to deal with a lot of reflections, I'm in a main 3G corridor, so 3G has been pretty consistent.
I do usually power the phone down at night.

It's not all roses.

I do notice that if I turn on 3G and the network is down or signal is weak the iPhone will say "no service" instead of defaulting to edge. Kinda stupid, but I normally keep it on edge anyway unless I'm doing something data intensive, ie MAPS or surfing sans wireless.
And every once and a while Maps will be unresponsive. (usually when I really need it)
But these are minor very rare occurances that don't compare to the issues it seems some have faced.

Battery life, about 3.5 - 4hrs usage with 12 - 24 standby. I've never had a cell phone before so I can't compare. To me it's the price you pay for a tiny phone with a big sweet glossy display, and the processing power to make the most of it.

So my time so far with the iPhone has been pretty hassle free and to me the iPhone is not a heap as some have said. It's been a truly enjoyable experience. Enough so that I'm soon to buy a Mac for the first time after 20yrs of windows.

Cheers

[jochad79]

Where is the update Steve. Tick tock apple tick tock
:D

[dizzy13]

I give up, going to sleep :rolleyes:

[angemon89]

This better come out early in the day tomorrow.

[Garv1e]

It is 7:33 am here in the UK and iTunes is still telling me 2.0.2 is the current iPhone software! So when does Apple Friday start?

[trekkie604]

It is 7:33 am here in the UK and iTunes is still telling me 2.0.2 is the current iPhone software! So when does Apple Friday start?

It's only 11:38pm thursday here on the west coast

[blurredline]

It's only 11:38pm thursday here on the west coast

I doubt it will be released until early-mid morning(8am-11am)North American west coast time. It would be nice if it was out at 12:01, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

[Remster]

Come on Apple... it's already 5:40PM Friday in Australia. Please release your iPhone 3G 2.1 Firmware Update soon!!

[C8XY]

Any news on the new firmware yet? This won't be a Tuesday update will it?

[Remster]

Any news on the new firmware yet? This won't be a Tuesday update will it?

Apple announced they would release the software update today, so unless something goes horribly wrong we should see 2.1 very soon...

[Remster]

Here's the times around the world to see how long we've all been waiting!

Sydney - 9:11PM Friday
Los Angeles - 4:11AM Friday
Hong Kong - 7:11PM Friday
London - 12:11PM Friday

Please Apple - hit that ''send" button soon!

[liketom]

Here's the times around the world to see how long we've all been waiting!

Sydney - 9:11PM Friday
Los Angeles - 4:11AM Friday
Hong Kong - 7:11PM Friday
London - 12:11PM Friday

Please Apple - hit that ''send" button soon!

6-8 am cuppo time i'd say

[fiftydollarshoe]

6-8 am cuppo time i'd say




Downloading mine now. In the UK.

[stuco]

Downloaded and installing 2.1 now - Texas! :D

[fiftydollarshoe]

Downloaded and installing 2.1 now - Texas! :D

The backup before it loads on is taking a very long time...... painful. I hope this is fixed once 2.1 is loaded on.

[C8XY]

Can anyone confirm the update is less glitchy? I can't get to my mac untill later :(
Also, any secret new features? :p

[jpmack]

Also, any secret new features? :p

The release notes said something about an option to have a repeating alert for new text messages.

[fiftydollarshoe]

Can anyone confirm the update is less glitchy? I can't get to my mac untill later :(
Also, any secret new features? :p



just about done. will road test in a few moments.

[PrinceDraven]

4 mins to go.
God i hope this does what it says on the tin. This morning I had to wipe for the 5th time this week.

[fiftydollarshoe]

just about done. will road test in a few moments.

Using now; very zipping, no lags. test of time tell. can't see anything new in there.

[benzslrpee]

the 3g and EDGE logo changed. the phone finally stopped pretending there is 3g signal in my apartment that is located in Dallas :cool: it now just stays on EDGE. so i guess when AT&T painted my area in blue on their coverage map those bastards were indeed lying. still no copy/paste and hidden features...at least none that i could see. there's no lag as of right now but that's probably due to a reinstall.

yeah that's it pretty much.

[PrinceDraven]

Quickest install I have had yet.
Like the fact that the Apps have their own color in iTunes (in the little capacity gauge).
Will update futher if i find anything cool.

[Benedict]

After updating, I un docked for a few mins and put it back and the sync process was much quicker. Saying that i may have been too quick to return and it just bypassed the whole back up process.

[Remster]

The Genius button seems to not appear on my iPhone while playing a song with the extra controls showing, anyone else getting this?