iPhone 2.1 Firmware Coming on Friday: Bug Fixes, Connectivity and Battery Life

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Alongside the other announcements, Apple announced that the iPhone 2.1 firmware will be released this Friday as a free update. The much anticipated version upgrade will address many of the issues that have been plaguing iPhone users. Changes include:

- Significantly better battery life
- Fewer call drops
- Bug fixes
- Faster backups to iTunes
- No App crashes



Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/09/iphone-2-1-firmware-coming-on-friday-bug-fixes-connectivity-and-battery-life/)

[ayale99]

Hidden features? copy & paste?

[isethx]

ipod touch too?

[macdim]

Mmmmmm stability (hopefully!)...

[InSaNeCyAnUr]

About time!!

What about "Push" ???

[coledog]

Darn...no GPS!

[Bobak]

what happened to push services and turn-by-turn GPS support?

[Nicholie]

What bothers me (though probably unjustifiably) is the failure to mention the new Genius playlists or other features as mentioned on the iPod Touch.

But i'm sure they applied to the iPhone as well (seeing the devices are now even more eerily similar).

[coledog]

ipod touch too?

Yup! Free this time too!

[mtrctyjoe]

I am supposed to get excited about bug fixes? You are kidding me?

[ziggyonice]

Where is notification system?! AHHHH!

[SirOmega]

No mention of push API. I wonder if they got pushed to the next rev (2.2) in lieu of fixes.

I'll definitely take the battery life improvement though, I manged to drain the battery down to 5% in a day over labor day weekend.

[Stargaze]

Cant wait for Friday1!!

Still so many other things i was hoping to hear..

Push Notification for apps and email.... Copy paste.... GPS!!

but steps in the right direction at least...

[nagromme]

Hidden features? copy & paste?

I hope so. We pretty much know it's coming, but when?

In any case, "no app crashes" is a great feature! That's the kind of user-friendly interaction that people love :)

[beatledud]

Nike+ for the iPhone?

[sammymarshy]

no push notifications then?

[M. Malone]

I'm so happy about the fact they didn't mention any new features.

This might mean they just worked on making the iPhone stable and non laggy. I hope

[isethx]

Yup! Free this time too!

awesome. i'm sick of my apps crashing!

[mtrctyjoe]

Nike+ for the iPhone?

We better at least get this...

[dsachdev]

...as a shareholder and as someone waiting to buy a new macbook pro. don't make such a big deal on the street about it, and have no surprises.

[Hooka]

I am supposed to get excited about bug fixes? You are kidding me?

LOL!!

Yeah, we are the largest beta test group ever... and we're all paying for it too boot.

[Rojo]

I almost cried when this was announced. Seriously.

This is the ONE time I didn't care about no new features. I just want a stable OS for my phone! No more restarts, apps crashing, getting my phone replaced, etc.

Friday can't come quick enough!!!!!

[vendettabass]

best news of the day tbh

[Optimus Frag]

...but was that it? All that, nice as it was, was hardly what I'd consider a 'big deal'.

Maybe it's just me....

[RustyM]

In any case, "no app crashes" is a great feature! That's the kind of user-friendly interaction that people love :)

Absolutely. Assuming Apple can deliver on all these new "features", this is the best news I've heard this week.

[*GG*]

I have a horrible feeling that if Genius was going to be available for the iPhone it would have been mentioned. I hope I am wrong.

[megatronbomb]

...but was that it? All that, nice as it was, was hardly what I'd consider a 'big deal'.

Maybe it's just me....

Nope. Not just you.

[plumbingandtech]

Faster backups to iTunes


Thank the Gods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[khong1010]

No MMS?

sigh...

[ghostface147]

IMHO, when they say significantly better battery life, it means at least a 25% increase.

[Dimwhit]

I've only had one major issue with my iPhone, and 2.1 promises to fix it: backups!! Finally, they're going to make them faster. At least I hope.

[Ade-iMac-177]

Nike+ for the iPhone?

I Hope so!!!!
no copy or paste - no push notification - no GPS!!!
we better get something more substantial than just bug fixes!!!

[CrackedButter]

...but was that it? All that, nice as it was, was hardly what I'd consider a 'big deal'.

Maybe it's just me....

Its not just you, I was wondering why they wasted journalists time with this ho-hum announcement.

[GbV76]

Literally 5 minutes before the keynote I took delivery of the 24" iMac, Apple TV & Time Capsule that I ordered last week, so I'm glad to see he didn't announce anything else I want (other than the 2.1 firmware for my iPhone)
Whew! :)
HD TV shows is sweet though. Glad I have a US iTunes account since the Canadian iTunes stores blows for TV shows....

[HailToTheVictor]

Battery life? I am not an engineer so could someone give an explanation on how new software will "significantly" improve battery life

[ltcol266845]

I'm stoked for this! Hopefully the iPhone can really become the best again...

sidenote, any word on if Nike+ is coming to the iPhone? I sure hope so!!!

[GNice]

Agree with several previous posters...let's get a stable phone. Yea, I'd love cut-n-paste and improvements around email/calendar that would help me ditch my Blackberry, but I'll take stability right now.

[Trajectory]

Oh wow, so, all this buildup for Bug Fixes.

Yay.

[Doctor Q]

Cross-reference: an earlier thread about the same topic.

[VelfarreClubber]

Nike+ for the iPhone?

What a disappointment, turn by turn directions? iphone users did get the shaft. This event was nothing but a refresh in their line up not big news for me.

[slabbius]

No App Crashes? HA! I'd like to see that one.

[jgvl79]

was it a big deal?

... whatever...

[AGEC2008]

I just hope the sound issue is taken care of. I'm tried of missing calls and txt messages because the alerts don't work and the sound bar goes to 0. Come on fix!!!!!

[brvheart]

maybe it will be found early so that we can all update again and hopefully fix the damn thing before Friday comes...

[i0Nic]

What about Nike+ for iPhone??
I really want this feature.

Also looking forward to the new headphones.

[duke49er]

Weak...

...quite simply W.E.A.K.

That's it? All that for "bug fixes"? You gotta be kidding!

And where the HELL is the horizontal keyboard for texting for ()*&^% sake?!?!?!?!

[michaelsviews]

Hasnt been released yet but WTH


Fewer dropped calls ? Thats AT&T and YOU "STEVE" how about NO dropped calls
NO cut and paste still, WTH are you waiting for ?
Better Battery life, OK that's a major perk
No apps crashing, Hmmmmm ok we'll see about that, this is going to have to be tested and proven thoroughly.GPS is coming when Tom Tom finishes there current program according to information on the web.

[yamaduc]

iTunes 8 is ready for download (http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/?ipod)

[Alfred.Woodden]

2.0.X is for bug fixes + stability.

2.X is for new features.

so... where are the new features? :confused:

[Willis]

better battery life... I'm looking forward to seeing that

[cutta2k4]

Some of you guys reactions are ridiculous lol Talk about drinking the kool aid before knowing the flavor!

As with anything these days with Apple I am taking a wait and see approach.......this could just be another worthless firmware update that makes things worse then before....................

Apple is usually intentionally vague about the alleged capabilities of these updates..........intentional..because im not sure they know if what they propose will work or not lol

I like Kool-Aid but I wanna know the flava.....It might not be ready for drinking......ya heard!:)

[SFC Archer]

Installing 8.0 now...very fast Download

[earnjam]

yawn...

Wake me up if this makes the phone go back to working as well as it did before the 2.0 update....:rolleyes:

[Niiro13]

What if Push was removed "for further development" so that they could accomodate the two most popular (arguably of course) applications: AOL Radio and Pandora radio? What if they were to allow background streaming? It's a stretch, but I'd love it if they have it (and I don't even use radio).

All I want is faster backups and app installation fixes.

Oh yeah, 2.0.2 broke my GPS.

[Bernie-Mac]

Apple is on fire with disappointments lately

[impact_blue]

I almost cried when this was announced. Seriously.

This is the ONE time I didn't care about no new features. I just want a stable OS for my phone! No more restarts, apps crashing, getting my phone replaced, etc.

Friday can't come quick enough!!!!!

The last two updates were supposed to be "bug fixes". Sure 2.1 will fix more bugs, but do you really think it will fix everything and make it all perfect? HA

[mtrctyjoe]

Absolutely. Assuming Apple can deliver on all these new "features", this is the best news I've heard this week.

How is "apps not crashing" a good feature... come on folks we can only be fanboys to a point.

I am so excited about this fridays new 'crash free apps' feature! Pleeeeeeez!

[Willis]

iTunes 8 is ready for download (http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/?ipod)

good find, downloading

[Brett3rThanU]

All I seriously want is some stability and no more lag on the interface, is that too much to ask for?

[born4sky]

What happened to push services? Steve you promised it this September

[saxman]

I'm not sure what some people wanted (actually, I am sure, since they keep saying it over and over and over again) just 2 months after a 2.0 release. Look what they didn't add over the course of 1 year. Why would they offer so much more in only a few months?

[Trajectory]

Oh goody, bug fixes that we have to wait 5 days to get.

Big Whoop.

[squigles@mac.co]

PWANGE It makes the iPhone a tool not a toy :cool:

Apple won't do diddley squat to improve the iPhone :(

[cutta2k4]

My sentiments exactly! Talk about consumerism and consumer brainwashing...........we think fixes are features RFLOL that apple kool aid sure is good...............

[impaler]

Careful the words you use when you write these posts. Nobody said "no app crashes". That would be crazy for any company to tell people. He said fewer app crashes. Apple doesn't have control over other coders and occasionally flawed software may make its way onto the App Store.

[darkfiber]

iTunes 8 is ready for download (http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/?ipod)

Downloading now.

The page still says 7.7 but the download is iTunes8Setup.exe

[mcdj]

LOL @ all the people who are moaning about the keynote being disappointing. 80% of the iPhone discussions since 7/11/08 have been about bugs and problems. 2.1 is announced to fix bugs and problems, and you're disappointed?

What I don't understand is, what's so special about Friday? Why not today, or tomorrow, or Thursday? Are they really still coding it?

[ryanmcv]

Looks like iPod touch 2.1 firmware is available for download... Sucks that iPhone owners have to wait til Friday. :(

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/softwareupdate.html

[Cyclone Chris]

Downloading itunes 8 now... wow ... good speed 2 MBPS

[vendettabass]

Quicktime 7.5.5 too in software update

[MadGoat]

I Hope so!!!!
no copy or paste - no push notification - no GPS!!!
we better get something more substantial than just bug fixes!!!

Click on Maps , then tap on the crosshairs in the bottom left corner ... there's your GPS, give it a few seconds though.

[Trajectory]

This event hardly warranted the "big deal" Apple was making of it.

[manhattanboy]

I REALLY REALLY hope that this will stop the constant dropped calls and ******* internet connectivity.
Come on Apple, do not disappoint:apple::apple::apple:

[Ollywood]

If 2.1 it fixes bugs that is no bad thing as there are many but why call it 2.1?as there is nothing new.

MMS - It never really worked with my SonyEricsson and all the technology is going towards email so I think MMS is being quietly dropped.

Videophone - yea remember that never worked on my Sony either still early days if any days....

Cut & Paste - What I have heard that this function is great way to hack into the OS of a phone and hence Apple are very relunctant to do this.Which might be similar problem to tethering a phone.

Well can't wait to see what the updates does.:)

[Niiro13]

What happened to push services? Steve you promised it this September

Last I checked, today was September 9 and September has 30 days in it.

Remember how fast some of the firmware builds came out after the previous? Even though this is a large update, it's not unlikely for it to come out September 30 :P.

Careful the words you use when you write these posts. Nobody said "no app crashes". That would be crazy for any company to tell people. He said fewer app crashes. Apple doesn't have control over other coders and occasionally flawed software may make its way onto the App Store.

Though it wouldn't be crazy if he said "no app crashes on our part." Course with so many devices out there, it's impossible to guarantee that :p.

[bushbaby]

This news mattered for people like me who have the first gen IPhone and who have lost their email capability since the last update. (I know another person with the same problem only he lost the setups - I still have it setup correctly, it just isn't sending me my email - except for one day).

My phone froze up the other day - never happened before. Wouldn't work for a couple of hours. Then it worked again. I wished I had never updated!

So this bug fix announcement saves me a trip to the Apple store to try to fix it. I can wait until Friday.

[bytethese]

So how long is "Significantly longer battery life"? With my use (listening to music on Subway, checking email on my WiFi connection, etc), I have to charge mine daily. :)

[Cyclone Chris]

Looks like iPod touch 2.1 firmware is available for download... Sucks that iPhone owners have to wait til Friday. :(

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/softwareupdate.html

Installing 8.0 now... will install 2.1 for the touch in a few

[kavika411]

I'm as excited as the next guy about bug fixes, I just don't understand why they gave it the 2.1 name. At best, it should be 2.03 or whatever 100th place decimal they would be at with this improvement.

I'm glad that 2.1 and Snow Leopard and such are going towards stability issues, but that very childish, eager-to-be-blown away side of me craves something ... exciting.

[saxman]

I'm happy with bug fixes. Even with its problems, my iPhone has really changed how I go about my daily business. The perfect device doesn't exist for met yet, but it's close enough for now

[AquaVita]

LOL @ all the fools who are moaning about the keynote being disappointing. 80% of the iPhone discussions since 7/11/08 have been about bugs and problems. 2.1 is announced to fix bugs and problems, and you're disappointed?


Well I'm going to guess that it's because they paid for a piece of crap. As well as paid for the opportunity to be beta testers for Apple.

Look, I love Apple products, but the company itself can eat a big one. So many people think that everything they do is gold, yet realistically the iPhone has been a joke, and this 'update' just proves it.

"hey cool, let's fix a bunch of crap that should have never been in a final public build of one of our marquee products...cool"

Please. If it was any other company they would have been crucified by now, but I'm always amazed at how much slack people give Apple.

[xsyzygyx]

does this update include speeding up the slow typing during SMS and other things? anyone know/think?

[dgcaste]

FWIW, if the firmware is coming out on Friday, they're not going to spell out the new features today like they did with the new touch.

I just put myself through another 4 days of a drawn out wait. And then however long it takes to get 2.1 jailbroken.

[dmb8021]

so iPhone 2.1 update is available on Friday, but is the iPod Touch 2.1 update available today, or Friday too?

[kskill]

by all means i'm delighted about the firmware upgrade, but i think the claims are a bit empty.

why didn't they say exactly how much the battery life would improve by?

[cualexander]

People who are soo disappointed in no real iphone news. Was their ever any indication by APPLE, not by the rumor mills that this event was an iphone event in the first place? NOPE

Did the event have an ipod screen on the invitation? YES.

It wasn't an iphone event. There are a zillion new features that would be cool with the iphone right now but honestly, when I'm browsing a page and it spontaneously quits on me and then I have to find the page again, because its not the in history, and I have to load it all again. Its just really annoying. Battery life and no more crashing? Thats awesome to me.

[EnderTW]

Careful the words you use when you write these posts. Nobody said "no app crashes". That would be crazy for any company to tell people. He said fewer app crashes. Apple doesn't have control over other coders and occasionally flawed software may make its way onto the App Store.

WRONG

According to MacRumors.com, he said NO APP CRASHES.

Some of you fanboys are too funny. Are you seriously going to get excited over a feature as "NO APP CRASHES"? That's not a feature guys.. :lol:

I own an iPhone, and Apple has really screwed up their 3g launch. 1) MobileMe is a disaster, it could never do "EXCHANGE FOR THE REST OF US". Push according to apple, is 15 minutes wait from your computer. 2) iPhone 3g itself, plagued with 3g problems, instability with apps, and overall laggyness to everything.

I thought this whole "SANDBOX SDK APPROACH" was going to fix everything? Right now, my iPhone apps crash more then any treo or windows mobile phone I had. It was an idiot approach to the solution. Apple should have allowed people to do what they want, background etc. Let the people decide by their wallet on what apps deserve to stay or go. Simple Economics, steve obviously didn't take an economics course in college.

This seems like troll baiting, I am just ranting. This "Let's Rock" event was a slap to the customers who was promised a whole lot, and got back a buggy implementation of their promise.

[dgcaste]

does this update include speeding up the slow typing during SMS and other things? anyone know/think?

I mostly fixed this by doing a hard reboot every morning, right before I shave and brush my teeth, so it's done by the time I'm done. Note that this is by holding home+power buttons down until it shuts down, and not by the "slide to turn off" method. Or sometimes I use Powertool from Cydia.

[EnderTW]

I mostly fixed this by doing a hard reboot every morning, right before I shave and brush my teeth, so it's done by the time I'm done. Note that this is by holding home+power buttons down until it shuts down, and not by the "slide to turn off" method. Or sometimes I use Powertool from Cydia.

And why is turning off the phone an acceptable fix to something?

ugh.

It's like saying, oh ... Every morning I have to restart my computer to fix a problem. No one would accept that as a solution.

[mdhwoods]

Maybe the secret untold update will be the 2nd speaker will now mysteriously start to function on the iphone.

I personally do not see a need for a big event to release new ipods and updated firmware for the iphone and touch.

[Cyclone Chris]

Itunes 8 takes forever to install... geez... come on already

[sealab2021]

I'm thinking they just figured out how to turn off Location services when you're not using them.

Cause that alone has allowed my iphone 3g to have as long of battery life as my 2g iphone had.

[ilfn143]

Battery life? I am not an engineer so could someone give an explanation on how new software will "significantly" improve battery life

software control output power, adjust automatic gain control.

i was hoping for ability to turn off the predictive text input.

[Sean Dempsey]

SMS Lag, eh?

[BrownManUPS]

NO app crashes?

Yeah right.

I think it is great that they are releasing this, but lets not make promises that are pretty much impossible in the computing world.

I wonder what the deal with "hidden features" is. Can't wait to see!

[therevolution]

Maybe the secret untold update will be the 2nd speaker will now mysteriously start to function on the iphone.

You mean the microphone? :p

[mekopolis]

itunes 8, installing it now

I kinda hoped that they would redefine the interface, make App Syncing better, easier to browse apps, and a whole sleugh of things they could do to make the interface better...
like note syncing maybe

gonna restart the system and try out genius

[HyQuality]

Maybe the secret untold update will be the 2nd speaker will now mysteriously start to function on the iphone.

Are you SERIOUS? There is only 1 physical speaker on the iphone. The other "speaker" is the mic. Let it go already.

[Bernie-Mac]

Now that I think about it.....do you think there is a reason they are holding off on the iPhone 2.1 till Friday for a reason? It seems odd to release 2.1 for the touch and 2.1 for the iPhone a few days later....

[dgcaste]

And why is turning off the phone an acceptable fix to something?

ugh.

It's like saying, oh ... Every morning I have to restart my computer to fix a problem. No one would accept that as a solution.

then don't restart your phone and live with the lag. I don't live in a perfect world, some flaws I accept, some I don't, but I work around as many of them as possible.

[geerlingguy]

Yay! No more dropped calls!

And maybe I can turn Push back on if the battery issues are solved.

[bytethese]

Yay! No more dropped calls!

And maybe I can turn Push back on if the battery issues are solved.

Hopefully it fixes when Safari crashes in the middle of my posts to MacRu....

[Trajectory]

No word on the cracks or other physical defects, I noticed.

How about "Crack and Leak Free!"

But that won't happen, it can't be done in a firmware update, so, too bad suckers!

[pavvento]

I get a kick out of the people that expect every Apple event to have some mind blowing announcement. Yes they usually have nice surprises, but not everything can be like fantasy world.

They announced a new version of iTunes, new iPod models, new iPhone and touch software, NBC coming back, HD TV shows being available. So many people expect Apple to be all about the iPhone, and nothing else.

Given the advertisement for today's event, did you honestly expect it to be about something other than Music?

And I can not wait for 2.1 if it means actually being able to use 3G without dropping calls or kililng my battery.

I would also love to use Safari without the volume indicator randomly coming on and then crashing. So yea, 2.1 might not have all of the things that people pretended would be in it, but it will make the investment of owning the phone more worth while.

[Excellerator]

Updating Itunes 8.0 now......now hopefully the app crash problem is gone since that was a 7.7.1 bug. I have had no troubles since gong back to 7.7.0.

[daneoni]

Now that I think about it.....do you think there is a reason they are holding off on the iPhone 2.1 till Friday for a reason? It seems odd to release 2.1 for the touch and 2.1 for the iPhone a few days later....

iPhone has a cellular radio...touch doesnt

[Macsterling]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_0_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5C1 Safari/525.20)

nothing is ever good enough for any of you. I think better battery life, connection issues and the app crashing are a little more important than the other all this other stuff that I'm sure will be added later on in a future update. People need to relax and quit whinning.

[Scott437]

Someone pass me some of that Kool-aid too!

Ahh much better, now I to am excited that my phone will finally work the way it was supposed to when I bought it. What makes it even better is I can wait till Friday for this to happen. :rolleyes:

[Bernie-Mac]

iPhone has a cellular radio...touch doesnt

Then why have all the previous software updates been released at the same time for both devices?

[kgeier82]

its funny, and yet puzzling to see all the threads in here whine about the iphone 2.0.

Each and every LAST one of us had the option to return the device in 14 days, if unsatisfied.

Some of your posts, well they lead me to believe you're unsatisfied. If you really were, and you were a SMART consumer, you would've returned the device, no questions asked.

Early adopters we all are. Im not happy with the issues, but they were expected. 1.0 had lots of crap wrong with it too. Its the price you pay...AT YOUR OPTION.

Good for apple if they finally fix it, but no complaints here. My device still does 100x more than anything else on the market, even with the crashing.

[G.I. Joe]

I really hope this update makes it. The iphone can be exasperating sometimes.

[Scott437]

BTW I posted this on the other thread and didn't get a response...

Am I really expecting to much for apple to fix the issues AND offer a real update?

[animenick65]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_0_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5C1 Safari/525.20)

nothing is ever good enough for any of you. I think better battery life, connection issues and the app crashing are a little more important than the other all this other stuff that I'm sure will be added later on in a future update. People need to relax and quit whinning.

This was an iPod event. I'm happy with the new fixes for the iPhone software. Yes I'm sure they will bring copy/paste and turn by turn eventually, but before they do that they need to fix the core problems with the phone. This update will address many of those problems. Even a marginal improvment on battery life will be helpful. I think they need to have a button when you first get into settings that allows you to enter battery saving mode that shuts off 3G, WiFi and location services and just uses edge. Batterylife on this thing with edge is great.

[juice831]

I read this on the iTunes 8 readme...

Nike + iPod:
• Nike + iPod requires a Nike + iPod Sport Kit or Sensor, a compatible iPod, and Nike+ ready shoes.
•*Nike + iPod is compatible with iPod nano and iPod touch (2nd generation). iPod nano (1st generation) must have software version 1.2 or later.
•*To see your workout data on nikeplus.com, an Internet connection and a free Nike.com account are required.

I hope they didn't mention iPhone support purposely because the 2.1 firmware isn't released until Friday...

[iFerd]

Updating Itunes 8.0 now......now hopefully the app crash problem is gone since that was a 7.7.1 bug. I have had no troubles since gong back to 7.7.0.Same for me. I'd really like to hear from anyone who has installed 8.0 and found that their crashing apps have disappeared. I guess I'm chicken to try.

[Ntombi]

I get a kick out of the people that expect every Apple event to have some mind blowing announcement. Yes they usually have nice surprises, but not everything can be like fantasy world.

They announced a new version of iTunes, new iPod models, new iPhone and touch software, NBC coming back, HD TV shows being available. So many people expect Apple to be all about the iPhone, and nothing else.

Given the advertisement for today's event, did you honestly expect it to be about something other than Music?

And I can not wait for 2.1 if it means actually being able to use 3G without dropping calls or kililng my battery.

I would also love to use Safari without the volume indicator randomly coming on and then crashing. So yea, 2.1 might not have all of the things that people pretended would be in it, but it will make the investment of owning the phone more worth while.They TOLD people there would be a big announcement. Why are we being unreasonable in expecting a big announcement?


I can appreciate that bug fixes are good, but when the new firmware is 2.x instead of 2.0.x, we aren't being unreasonable in expecting something more than bug fixes. I'm holding out hope that there will be more in 2.1 than he mentioned, especially since it was an iPod event, after all. ;)

[djwobble]

ok. so i have not gotten the genius to create a play list yet...wtf

[EnderTW]

Someone pass me some of that Kool-aid too!

Ahh much better, now I to am excited that my phone will finally work the way it was supposed to when I bought it. What makes it even better is I can wait till Friday for this to happen. :rolleyes:

Lol exactly.

Is Apple's market filled with 15 year olds who have no sense of business?

I mean seriously this shouldn't be praised at all, this is what was expected at day of launch of the 2.0 software. It was pushed back already, or have you forgotten?

I am ashamed sometimes to be an Apple stock owner and yet happy, Apple could release the most buggiest phone and everyone will still buy their product vehemently defending it.

:( and :)

Quite sad. This isn't the type of action you want to praise Apple for.

[born4sky]

Last I checked, today was September 9 and September has 30 days in it.

Remember how fast some of the firmware builds came out after the previous? Even though this is a large update, it's not unlikely for it to come out September 30 :P.
:p.
For me it's a big deal and I don't think there will be another media event for that .. push notification option...

[HyQuality]

So you guys want Genius on the iPhone??

.... here ya go. (http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-047042348X.html) Enjoy!

[lucasgladding]

It doesn't look like the iPhone will be getting Nike+ at this point. The Apple Store page for the kit states the iPod touch (2nd generation) is required and makes no mention of the first generation touch or the iPhone.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA365LL/B?fnode=MTY1NDA3NA&mco=Nzc4NDA

I seem to remember reading that the receiver was similar to Bluetooth but did not exact. Who knows, maybe if enough request it we will still see the Nike+ app for the iPhone. I would love to see the device assisted by the GPS when the signal is available.

[FoxHoundADAM]

A stable OS would have been kinda nice before I spent 3 hours trying to get my apps to work last night.

Oh well at least they are getting this fixed.

Itune 8 looks kinda nice (I like the Genius sysem) as I have a bunhc of songs and don't really have time to look up new bands all the time.

Overall though pretty poor showing, wasn't expecting a ton of iPhone stuff but heck I figured GPS, copy/paste....anything really. The biggest news was "hey we're going to make you phone work like it should have 8 months ago". Not really something that should be a bullet point in your keynote.

[GutBomb]

If it's in the ipod touch 2.1 update (genius, other features) I can't imagine they won't be in the iphone 2.1 update on friday.

Aside from nike+ of course which is hardware and software, not software alone.

[EnderTW]

its funny, and yet puzzling to see all the threads in here whine about the iphone 2.0.

Each and every LAST one of us had the option to return the device in 14 days, if unsatisfied.

Some of your posts, well they lead me to believe you're unsatisfied. If you really were, and you were a SMART consumer, you would've returned the device, no questions asked.

Early adopters we all are. Im not happy with the issues, but they were expected. 1.0 had lots of crap wrong with it too. Its the price you pay...AT YOUR OPTION.

Good for apple if they finally fix it, but no complaints here. My device still does 100x more than anything else on the market, even with the crashing.

Early Adopters? Buddy, this is 2nd generation. There is no early adoption excuse anymore. The SDK was pushed back for 6 months, 2.0 was pushed back.

Don't be a fanboy and defend Apple's decision-making without thought. It was apple that said the SDK/sandbox/app approval solution would provide crash-free apps and stable phones. This was promised since September of last year.

So don't tell me, I am not reasonable to expect with all of Apple's protection on apps, a crash-free solution like they promised.

Your argument is analogous to "DON'T LIKE THE COUNTRY, MOVE OUT".. it simply doesn't work.

[DaZe3]

well atleast they are on the right track. But I was hoping for push, but afterall they did say push will be released sometime in september and we technically still have about 20 days to see.

[fastbite]

Genius sounds great to me. Anything that has the potential to give me a few surprises is more than welcome.:)

[daneoni]

Then why have all the previous software updates been released at the same time for both devices?

Not really though whenever there's an update to the touch the iPhone has to wait much like the iTunes Wi-Fi store which debuted with the touch first but came later to the iPhone.

But i see what you're saying 1.1.3 & 2.0 came at the same time for both but there was no music event around those times. Maybe its safe to conclude that if a multitouch device update debuts at a music event, the Touch gets it first whilst the iPhone waits...probably so press attention isn't diverted

These are just theories i'm pulling out my ass btw

[gazzer82]

Was there not information flying around that features had been left out of the 2.1 beta released to keep them secret, well i guess that was a lie.

In the words of comic book guy, "Worst Keynote Ever"

[yetanotherdave]

IMO, the "features" listed here are a +x.x.1 update, ie this should be 2.0.3. I have a sneaking suspicion that there's more to this update, to be announced later, El Jobso was surprisingly quiet about the iPHone, almost an after thought, we know that is not their real strategy, so the omission of detail leads me to think there's more than he's not saying.

[mcdj]

Are you SERIOUS? There is only 1 physical speaker on the iphone. The other "speaker" is the mic. Let it go already.

LOL. Are YOU serious? He was obviously joking.

[kgeier82]

Early Adopters? Buddy, this is 2nd generation. There is no early adoption excuse anymore. The SDK was pushed back for 6 months, 2.0 was pushed back.

Don't be a fanboy and defend Apple's decision-making without thought. It was apple that said the SDK/sandbox/app approval solution would provide crash-free apps and stable phones. This was promised since September of last year.

So don't tell me, I am not reasonable to expect with all of Apple's protection on apps, a crash-free solution like they promised.

Your argument is analogous to "DON'T LIKE THE COUNTRY, MOVE OUT".. it simply doesn't work.

making a purchase is an option. Period.

If you dont like what your buying, OR HOW IT WORKS, skip it, and buy something else.

I dont see how my analogy doesnt apply. I havent used ONE COMPUTER that hasnt crashed at some point, I expect the iphone to behave similarly.

Sounds like I gave my thread plenty of thought.

[Marky_Mark]

And why is turning off the phone an acceptable fix to something?

ugh.

It's like saying, oh ... Every morning I have to restart my computer to fix a problem. No one would accept that as a solution.

You're kidding - Windows users have been accepting this as a legitimate solution for 15 years! Hell, I still do a 'therapeutic reboot' on my works Thinkpad once or twice a week now! :rolleyes:

[Rybold]

"Improved battery life" hopefully does not translate into "decreased performance" :eek:

"Fewer dropped calls" - I assume this [hopefully] means no more network switching in the middle of phone calls. If you are on EDGE and talking, you STAY ON EDGE! If you are on 3G and talking, you STAY ON 3G! No more of this "switching" in the middle of a phone call !

[Rybold]

Hell, I still do a 'therapeutic reboot' on my works Thinkpad once or twice a week now! :rolleyes:

Same here. I have found that as long as I reboot my iPhone regularly every few days, it never freezes/crashes unexpectedly. I'll bet the people that are having the freezing/crashing problems are the ones that never reboot.

[pavvento]

They TOLD people there would be a big announcement. Why are we being unreasonable in expecting a big announcement?


I can appreciate that bug fixes are good, but when the new firmware is 2.x instead of 2.0.x, we aren't being unreasonable in expecting something more than bug fixes. I'm holding out hope that there will be more in 2.1 than he mentioned, especially since it was an iPod event, after all. ;)

They were told there would be big announcements, NOT iPhone announcements. Not everything Apple does revolves around the iPhone.

[Rybold]

"Bug Fixes"

Woohooo!!! Yeah baby! Yeah! :D :D :D Someone break out the champagne!

[lucasgladding]

Early Adopters? Buddy, this is 2nd generation. There is no early adoption excuse anymore. The SDK was pushed back for 6 months, 2.0 was pushed back.

Don't be a fanboy and defend Apple's decision-making without thought. It was apple that said the SDK/sandbox/app approval solution would provide crash-free apps and stable phones. This was promised since September of last year.

So don't tell me, I am not reasonable to expect with all of Apple's protection on apps, a crash-free solution like they promised.

Your argument is analogous to "DON'T LIKE THE COUNTRY, MOVE OUT".. it simply doesn't work.

By that line of reasoning, 10.5.0 should have been more stable than 10.4.x. Regarding the app sandboxing and the approval processes, these help the situation but the stability of the applications always comes down to the individual developers.

[Scott437]

It's always nice when some people bring their own Kool Aid. I guess that leaves the rest of us more to convince ourselves.

[kgeier82]

By that line of reasoning, 10.5.0 should have been more stable than 10.4.x. Regarding the app sandboxing and the approval processes, these help the situation but the stability of the applications always comes down to the individual developers.


thank you. :) 2.0 is new, and it will be fixed in all good time. I guess im just not as concerned as the next guy on this.

[dstrauss]

:rolleyes: And I interrupted my nap for this... :rolleyes:

You've got to be kidding me...Apple calling on journalists to attend because it was really going to be important...a rainbow colored selection of Nano's?...bug squashing software upgrade for iPhone/iTouch?...HD downloads from iTunes 8.0?

how exciting :(

[mekopolis]

App Crashes are one thing
but OS system crashes, that lock the device up and you are forced to a do a Hard system restore
or you wake up one day, this has happened three times, and your music, movies, are gone, and all the apps including the mail, notes, and all the apple ones are just a shell...and you have to do a hard restore

17 lock ups, and 3 shell incidents since 2.0 came out...

i dont even like to use the touch anymore, and because it takes hours upon hours to restore all the music and movies and apps back on...

i now only have one or two apps, a few songs, and a movie loaded on in fear of another hard system crash

Friday can't come soon enough

[mdhwoods]

Are you SERIOUS? There is only 1 physical speaker on the iphone. The other "speaker" is the mic. Let it go already.

Obviously I wasn't serious. Apparently you are way to serious. A little fun needs to be poked once in a while.

[ksimm]

Why is iTunes telling me 2.1 is available.. in the store, and when I click update. It fails though. :(

[sflocal]

Early Adopters? Buddy, this is 2nd generation. There is no early adoption excuse anymore. The SDK was pushed back for 6 months, 2.0 was pushed back.

Don't be a fanboy and defend Apple's decision-making without thought. It was apple that said the SDK/sandbox/app approval solution would provide crash-free apps and stable phones. This was promised since September of last year.

So don't tell me, I am not reasonable to expect with all of Apple's protection on apps, a crash-free solution like they promised.

Your argument is analogous to "DON'T LIKE THE COUNTRY, MOVE OUT".. it simply doesn't work.

It's a valid issue. 3g was an early adoption scenario. SDK was pushed back to make sure it was release-ready. 2.0 had to wait so it would would only be crap instead of the mega-crap that it could have been. Why are you so incredibly impatient when it comes to support?

iPhone is a mobile PC to a certain extent. Desktop PC's and even to a lesser extent OSX machines are crash-prone too. It's a fact of life and while it would be nice if it were 100% crash-proof, I don't have that level of expectation considering the complexity of the device.

This is not an Apple-fanboy issue. It's more of a patience issue with any company that does their best to support bleeding edge products. Apple is always trying to make an already good product even better. How many other companies jumps through hoops to please their user-base after they purchase something? Not very many that I know.

In this case, Apple is trying to get their device to work at a level you folks want it to. They don't necessarily have to but I'm pleased - and very patient about it. If an app causes my phone to crash, I don't use it. I'm very happy with my iPhone. Issues aside, it's still a fantastic product. I see it maturing bit by bit however you folks find every reason to sledgehammer them into the ground.

Whatever happened to those days where an unhappy consumer would just return their purchase? Obviously you must have liked it enough to keep it after the 2-week refund window has passed. I'm not pointing a finger at you saying "Shame on you, it's your own d**n fault".

You don't have to leave the country. ;) Just show some patience and be fortunate that Apple is one of those rare companies that actually continues to make a good product even better. Even if "better" means just getting it to work consistently on a day-to-day basis.

It's not the end of the world. There are more important things in life to stress out about than blowing a gasket because Texas-holdem ends abnormally once in a while.

[unr1]

if I do a complete restore when 2.1 comes out, will I lose my voicemails?

how can I just keep my voicemails and my contacts and do a full restore because I want to make sure my phone has a stable OS.

[darkfiber]

:rolleyes: And I interrupted my nap for this... :rolleyes:

You've got to be kidding me...Apple calling on journalists to attend because it was really going to be important...a rainbow colored selection of Nano's?...bug squashing software upgrade for iPhone/iTouch?...HD downloads from iTunes 8.0?

how exciting :(

Hence the reason for this article...

No matter what Apple says Tuesday, it'll disappoint

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10036132-17.html

[mdhwoods]

LOL. Are YOU serious? He was obviously joking.

Thank you.

[Ntombi]

They were told there would be big announcements, NOT iPhone announcements. Not everything Apple does revolves around the iPhone.
Yes, I was talking about the entire announcement, not just the iPhone-related news.

I don't consider new colors and an accelerometer BIG NEWS!!!!!, sorry. And the removal of the 160 gig Classic? :( Bad news, but not BIG NEWS!!!!

iTunes 8? Good news. Genius Bar? Good news. BIG NEWS!!!!? Nope.

There was nothing in the entire press conference that was as big as they were advertising it to be.

[aristobrat]

Early Adopters? Buddy, this is 2nd generation. There is no early adoption excuse anymore. The SDK was pushed back for 6 months, 2.0 was pushed back.
When it comes to apps, this is the first generation. As in, Apple has had zero experience with other peoples code running on the iPhone before now.

There was nothing in the entire press conference that was as big as they were advertising it to be.
Where did Apple say this event was to be big? The invitation that the media received seemed to be as cryptic and sparse of words as every other event...

[diamond.g]

thank you. :) 2.0 is new, and it will be fixed in all good time. I guess im just not as concerned as the next guy on this.

I personally find it humorous that before the App store release some folks here touted it as a revolution. Quality Apps that won't cause your phone to crash or lockup (or the Apps crashing themselves). This was thrown into the face of the WinMobile folks and the Palm folks that were really confused as to why the iPhones Apps were to be so superior. Now we have folks saying that it isn't a big deal if the Apps crash and that it is a computer is should be rebooted periodically (sounds like Windows to me...).

[ntrigue]

Until the 2.1 Firmware is on your iPhone and in your hand why are you complaining...

For all you know the App Store simultaneously makes a turn-by-turn App available...

[thefourthpope]

Same for me. I'd really like to hear from anyone who has installed 8.0 and found that their crashing apps have disappeared. I guess I'm chicken to try.

I installed it, but the app crashing fix will probably have to wait for the new iphone update. For what it's worth, the Genius feature is looking like it'll take about four hours to "gather information about my library"

[LoganT]

It sounds like they are leaving stuff out about the iPhone everywhere. Just look at the page for the new $79 headphones,

"The remote and mic are supported only by iPod nano (4th generation), iPod classic (120GB), and iPod touch (2nd generation). Audio is supported by all iPod models."

Why the hell would there be a need for the iPod Nano and iPod Touch to use a microphone and not the iPhone. It doesn't make any sense.

[thefourthpope]

Genius sounds great to me. Anything that has the potential to give me a few surprises is more than welcome.:)

With you on that one. I'm looking forward to playing around with it. I wonder if it uses the same kind of formula as the Music Genome Project/Pandora...

[daneoni]

The only thing mildly entertaining that came from this keynote is this Apple worker demoing the touch

[darkfiber]

Where did Apple say this event was to be big? The invitation that the media received seemed to be as cryptic and sparse of words as every other event...

See this macrumors.com post...

http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/08/lets-rock-rumor-roundup-and-expectations/

Specifically...

"We've heard that Apple is actively urging the media to cover the event claiming it will be a "big deal". While companies always want media to cover their events, this particular practice seems to be atypical for Apple. Regardless, there is always hope for additional "surprise" announcements."

Whether that was actually true or not is unknown.

[Stargaze]

Yes, I was talking about the entire announcement, not just the iPhone-related news.

I don't consider new colors and an accelerometer BIG NEWS!!!!!, sorry. And the removal of the 160 gig Classic? :( Bad news, but not BIG NEWS!!!!

iTunes 8? Good news. Genius Bar? Good news. BIG NEWS!!!!? Nope.

There was nothing in the entire press conference that was as big as they were advertising it to be.


All new Ipods in many different colors, great price drops, acceleromitor built in, New headphone desigin is not exciting new news?!?!

yes most of it was leaked however it is Big news!

[Stargaze]

It sounds like they are leaving stuff out about the iPhone everywhere. Just look at the page for the new $79 headphones,

"The remote and mic are supported only by iPod nano (4th generation), iPod classic (120GB), and iPod touch (2nd generation). Audio is supported by all iPod models."

Why the hell would there be a need for the iPod Nano and iPod Touch to use a microphone and not the iPhone. It doesn't make any sense.

Logan, its a button not a microphone....

yes, the Iphone one has a mic built in but as far as i can tell the Ipod ones is simply a button...

[mtrctyjoe]

I have always wanted to be a beta tester for Apple! It looks like I have been one all along and did not even know it!

[severe]

if I do a complete restore when 2.1 comes out, will I lose my voicemails?

how can I just keep my voicemails and my contacts and do a full restore because I want to make sure my phone has a stable OS.

No you won't lose your voicemails. I'm not sure what you mean about losing contacts, etc.

If you update to the latest version, you'll lose nothing. It's a beautiful thing. No worries.

[littlewaywelt]

they are still missing two inexcusable functions if they want to be taken seriously for business users:
cut and paste and ability to store and send documents from the phone

what a joke.

While I love my iPhone it only does 1/10th what I could do on my Treo 700wx and way less than a Treo 800w.
The hysterical thing is that my wm phone crashed about 1/20th of the time my phone has.

[figaro123super]

All this time I thought my dropped calls were an ATT thing. Does this mean the phone is flawed?:confused:

[TEG]

Logan, its a button not a microphone....

yes, the Iphone one has a mic built in but as far as i can tell the Ipod ones is simply a button...

It is a microphone, Steve said so, since it is included with the nano.

TEG

[number9]

They TOLD people there would be a big announcement. Why are we being unreasonable in expecting a big announcement?


I can appreciate that bug fixes are good, but when the new firmware is 2.x instead of 2.0.x, we aren't being unreasonable in expecting something more than bug fixes. I'm holding out hope that there will be more in 2.1 than he mentioned, especially since it was an iPod event, after all. ;)

Can anyone prove that Apple actually TOLD anyone that it was a huge deal? Didn't we hear these rumblings through the same rumor channels that told us that there would be turn-by-turn GPS and push notifications in the iPhone 2.1 update? Again, the only expectations were set by rumors and hearsay. THAT is why it was unreasonable for you to expect a big announcement.

Besides, just because the iPod touch and iPod nano announcements weren't big news to you, doesn't mean that it wasn't a big announcement in a general sense to Apple's business. Refreshing their offerings with new form factors, new interface revisions, and new software features is what keeps the general public (not the geeks and hardcore Mac/iPhone users who frequent these forums) coming back and buying new iPods even though they sell record numbers of them every quarter and it seems as if EVERYONE has an iPod. Plus, how else will they get the Apple-addicts on this site to continually go out and by new i-Products regardless of how many functioning ones they already own?

As far as the 2.1 iPhone update being a 2.X not a 2.0.X, who said that the 2.X increments HAD to be new features, not bug fixes? I'm pretty sure that the last time Apple added significant new features to the iPhone software was the 1.X.X line to the 2.0 upgrade. The fixes in 2.1 ARE much more significant compared to the 2.0.2, 2.0.1 updates, just in the fact that they have specified the IMPROVEMENTS this time. Like many others have so sanely noted, there are 21 days left in September, so don't get your panties in a bunch because you don't have cut-and-paste or push notifications yet. Oh, and one other thing... the update is FREE. What number they assign the software revision is so inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. They could call it 2.faster.longer.harder and it still updates they what they say it does. It'd be one thing if they were charging you for the update, but they're not. So on Friday, download it and hopefully enjoy the elimination of problems that a good majority of people here have complained about constantly for the last 2 months. If they had introduced 2.1 with all the new features that you were looking for, but the same connection, back-up time, battery life and app crashing problems still persisted, you'd all be whining and bitching that Apple has really screwed the pooch by introducing new features and not fixing all the existing problems. Talk about damned of you do, damned if you don't.

Some people compare the software numbering to OSX, saying how well new features are 10.X, and fixes are 10.X.X, so the iPhone software shouls hold the same pattern--not true. considering that the 10 part of the number is really just the name of the software, since they plan on using it for 10 years, the .X updates are really equivalent to the whole number updates (1.0 to 2.0) for the iPhone, while the 10.X.X updates are equivalent to the 2.X.X updates on iPhone. The iPhone just evolves quicker because the product has to change much much more frequently than a computer OS has to in order to stay fresh in the market. You don't hear people complaining 2 months after a release of a new version of OSX that they want new features no and not in 18 months. Different markets, different revision schedules/numbering systems.

I just don't get why people EXPECT things when Apple itself NEVER EVER EVER guarantees anything. I'm not going hardcore fanboy here, it's just something called reality. Sure, I love Apple, they make some pretty cool consumer electronics, but that's all it is- consumer electronics. Some people here act as if Apple is a family member that somehow owes it to you to continuously live up to the rumors and hype that the public creates, just because you buy their products over and over again.

[Optimus Frag]

Its not just you, I was wondering why they wasted journalists time with this ho-hum announcement.

I would like to make it clear that I liked what was announced today. The purple nano in particular looks really cool.

2.1 firmware for the iPhone... swweeettt. I love my iPhone but it has a couple of niggles I'd like to see the back off.

It's just that I wouldn't consider this a 'big deal' which is what some journos were led to believe. But overall I'm happy with what was released today.

[Stargaze]

It is a microphone, Steve said so, since it is included with the nano.

TEG

My bad that would explain the other information about how once you connect a microphone to the Nano it immeately has voice recording capabilites!

thanks!

[calisurfboy]

WOW! My iphone still does not do the simple things that my phone from several years ago could do! You know how stupid it is logging on a website to punch in a long ass code and password to get a thumb of the original image? Video recording?

[diamond.g]

Logan, its a button not a microphone....

yes, the Iphone one has a mic built in but as far as i can tell the Ipod ones is simply a button...

Hmm, odd cause Apple claims (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA850?mco=MjU4MzQ) that it is able to record voice memos on supported iPods.

Dang beaten again!!

[LoganT]

Logan, its a button not a microphone....

yes, the Iphone one has a mic built in but as far as i can tell the Ipod ones is simply a button...

Stargaze, it says microphone... I'm talking about the HEADPHONES, the 79 dollar headphones.

"The remote and mic are supported only by iPod nano (4th generation), iPod classic (120GB), and iPod touch (2nd generation). Audio is supported by all iPod models."

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA850?mco=MTcyODA3Mw

[sflocal]

I personally find it humorous that before the App store release some folks here touted it as a revolution. Quality Apps that won't cause your phone to crash or lockup (or the Apps crashing themselves). This was thrown into the face of the WinMobile folks and the Palm folks that were really confused as to why the iPhones Apps were to be so superior. Now we have folks saying that it isn't a big deal if the Apps crash and that it is a computer is should be rebooted periodically (sounds like Windows to me...).

What company (including Apple) doesn't over-hype their product? You see it everywhere in every form of advertising. Apple is no different and I certainly don't take their marketing-speak as gospel. Just because they say their product is "crash-proof", it does not have me automatically believing them. As a 20-year developer, when they mentioned "crash-proof" even I rolled my eyes in disbelief. Slap any company makes those claims. But that certainly won't stop them from doing it again.

However, what they made as their first attempt was much better and certainly a much higher step up from the WinMobile and Palm folks. I've owned those as well.

If you honestly, truly believe any company can make those kinds of claims, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Honestly!! It's crash-proof! ;)

[BLACK MAC]

I wonder if the new update (2.1) will let you shake the phone to shuffle the songs. I like how the new nano does that. They should bring that to the update. :)

[diamond.g]

What company (including Apple) doesn't over-hype their product? You see it everywhere in every form of advertising. Apple is no different and I certainly don't take their marketing-speak as gospel. Just because they say their product is "crash-proof", it does not have me automatically believing them. As a 20-year developer, when they mentioned "crash-proof" even I rolled my eyes in disbelief. Slap any company makes those claims. But that certainly won't stop them from doing it again.

However, what they made as their first attempt was much better and certainly a much higher step up from the WinMobile and Palm folks. I've owned those as well.

If you honestly, truly believe any company can make those kinds of claims, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Honestly!! It's crash-proof! ;)

I didn't believe for a moment that it would be crash proof. That is why I find the responses funny.

[pavvento]

Yes, I was talking about the entire announcement, not just the iPhone-related news.

I don't consider new colors and an accelerometer BIG NEWS!!!!!, sorry. And the removal of the 160 gig Classic? :( Bad news, but not BIG NEWS!!!!

iTunes 8? Good news. Genius Bar? Good news. BIG NEWS!!!!? Nope.

There was nothing in the entire press conference that was as big as they were advertising it to be.


If the argument is that the all of the announcements were not big news than that is fine. It's everyone arguing that they were expecting a big announcement, when all they are really complaining about is the lack of a big iPhone announcement.

[deannnnn]

There are quite a few different opinions about today's announcements.

As for me, I'm really excited that stability is coming back to the iPhone (hopefully...). Would I like to have seen some new features today too? Sure... but Apple is never going to add the features I want anyway (specifically MMS), so I guess this is good enough.

[PecanEater]

2.0.X is for bug fixes + stability.

2.X is for new features.

so... where are the new features? :confused:

No apps crashing IS the new feature.

[ThunderSkunk]

Great, a genius playlist. For a year & a half now, we've been hearing people say nothing but "well the iphone seems nice, but gosh, it just doesn't have a semi-intelligent shuffle feature". WHERE THE HELL IS COPY & PASTE!!!

When the bug fixes roll down the pipe on friday, they had better come with some big surprises after three wild disappointments in a row and this "big deal" press call.

This thing had better eat flowers and poop rainbows.

[Aznsensation45]

Then why have all the previous software updates been released at the same time for both devices?

maybe because today's event was about MUSIC and about iPODS? not phones?

[aristobrat]

This thing had better eat flowers and poop rainbows.
Why? Even then, people would complain. :rolleyes:

[Alfred.Woodden]

No apps crashing IS the new feature.

Oh sorry, my bad. I guess NO PHONE CALL DROPs will be 2.2 then...

2.1 No apps crashing

2.2 No Phone call drops

2.3 ??

Oh, Apple...

[crees!]

Weak...

...quite simply W.E.A.K.

That's it? All that for "bug fixes"? You gotta be kidding!

And where the HELL is the horizontal keyboard for texting for ()*&^% sake?!?!?!?!

I have to say, for me it's much more difficult to type on the landscape keyboard than it is portrait.

[THE JUICEMAN]

great that they are fixing the many bugs out there......but im still not impressed with how they are handling these BASIC missing features on "the most advanced smart phone around" overall im still pleased with the phone but i just do not understand what apple is thinking when not implementing these little things.

[filmguy15]

Just because you don't care about what was announced, doesn't make them any less "big". These announcements are huge for shareholders, as these updates/revisions will keep people buying for the holiday season. Also, apple never "advertised" this event to be big. Hell, they didn't advertise this event at all. They invited the press to a closed event. 99% of the buying public won't see the hype, the live text feeds, the rumors. All they see are the new products, which will look pretty huge to them. Apple isn't in business for us, the geeks and rumor addicts. They are in business for the majority of people who buy. We are not the majority.

[kels0119]

I thought it brought some interesting announcements but I agree that there wasn't anything shocking or big about it but still cool.

I am really hoping though that when 2.1 comes out it has Copy and Paste because I am tired of having to write or memorize those stupid IDs and passwords when some one sends you a mms. It takes me at least 3 tries and I am so pissed I don't even care about whatever it was they sent me :mad: Oh, better battery life sounds nice too.

[unr1]

No you won't lose your voicemails. I'm not sure what you mean about losing contacts, etc.

If you update to the latest version, you'll lose nothing. It's a beautiful thing. No worries.ok, thanks.

[calisurfboy]

Just because you don't care about what was announced, doesn't make them any less "big". These announcements are huge for shareholders,

Yep... big alright. That is why apples stock is down six bucks right now. Appears shareholders are as disgruntled as we are.

Way to go apple!

[brn2ski00]

I wonder if the new update (2.1) will let you shake the phone to shuffle the songs. I like how the new nano does that. They should bring that to the update. :)

i would imagine so...

i would be shocked if they didn't include this as it is just software -- maybe this is the hidden feature.

[syrianos]

What...
NO album art reflections in raster view?

lol

come on Apple, i like consistent things, roll out the update -> rounded corners and reflections like iPhoto Events.... :P

[farbeyond]

Anyone else having problems updating to 2.1? My iTunes says 2.1 is available but I need to be on iTunes 7.1 to upgrade (which I am) then it tries to update but finds no updates :confused:

[vvebsta]

What I don't understand is that Apple SHOULD know that things like "Turn by Turn" GPS, Streaming TV, Data share, copy & paste and others are BIG selling points. People will stick with their Blackberries and other smart phones cause they DO these things!!! If Apple wants to dominate the smartphone market it needs to LISTEN to its customers!!

[*GG*]

Anyone else having problems updating to 2.1? My iTunes says 2.1 is available but I need to be on iTunes 7.1 to upgrade (which I am) then it tries to update but finds no updates :confused:

That's iPod Touch update not iPhone. iPhone update isn't until Friday.

[farbeyond]

Yea sorry, it's my iPod touch I'm updating...

[tekmoe]

I'm glad I have already decided to sell my iPhone. This announcement just made me feel even better about my decision.

[Heinekev]

According to all I read, the iPhone won't be getting the Nike+ support. Apparently, it's built into the 2nd generation iPod Touch, which also excludes first-gen iTouch owners.

Weak.


This article clearly states that the 2nd gen iTouch has a built in receiver Nike+

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/09/ipod-touch-updated-same-screen-new-case/


And this article claims to have found out through interviews that the only device supported is the 2nd gen iTouch (which makes sense considering the built-in receiver)

http://gizmodo.com/5047450/confirmed-nike%252B-only-works-with-2nd-gen-ipod-touch-not-iphone-or-1st-gen-itouch


Ugh. Throw me a fkn bone here, Apple!

[Trajectory]

What I don't understand is that Apple SHOULD know that things like "Turn by Turn" GPS, Streaming TV, Data share, copy & paste and others are BIG selling points. People will stick with their Blackberries and other smart phones cause they DO these things!!! If Apple wants to dominate the smartphone market it needs to LISTEN to its customers!!

I'm still holding out for a few extra iPhone features on Friday. Hoping it's a bit more than just bug fixes.

[apfhex]

I guess NO PHONE CALL DROPs will be 2.2 then...

2.1 No apps crashing

2.2 No Phone call drops

2.3 ??
2.4 Profit.

I think Apple can probably do more about apps crashing than calls dropping.

I'm really curious if they can squeeze more battery life out of the 1st gen, or if the improved battery life is meant for while using 3G features.

[Woz Beard]

A literal shake on my iPhone to shuffle songs?

Right, just make sure you don't reach in your pant pocket and shake your iPhone in front of young children. It may look perverted.

[ortuno2k]

Someone please enlighten me. What's this "Push" feature I hear so much rant about?
I already have push from my work email and my MobileMe account - I receive my email fairly quickly (sometimes) on the iPhone.
What's the "push" hype for?

[aristobrat]

Yep... big alright. That is why apples stock is down six bucks right now. Appears shareholders are as disgruntled as we are.

Way to go apple!
Apple's stock dropping and MacRumors forums being full of bitter people posting are two things that happen after virtually every Apple media event.

[oneals2focus]

awesome. i'm sick of my apps crashing!


Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[deputy_doofy]

If this truly improves battery time and general reliability, I'll be very happy. All the other stuff, that can wait until the device itself is stable.

[Heinekev]

Someone please enlighten me. What's this "Push" feature I hear so much rant about?
I already have push from my work email and my MobileMe account - I receive my email fairly quickly (sometimes) on the iPhone.
What's the "push" hype for?

Your iPhone has a timed check where it will go and look for new mail at an interval (15 minutes probably).

Push lets new data be "pushed" to your phone over the cellular network regardless of the state of the phone. This is similar to how a blackberry works - I get my email on my blackberry before it shows up in Outlook at times.

[ortuno2k]

Your iPhone has a timed check where it will go and look for new mail at an interval (15 minutes probably).

Push lets new data be "pushed" to your phone over the cellular network regardless of the state of the phone. This is similar to how a blackberry works - I get my email on my blackberry before it shows up in Outlook at times.

Okay - I understand what you mean, but I already have something like this. I get my mail nearly instantly with my MobileMe email, and also nearly instantly when I receive email from work, which is hosted on an Exchange server 2003 with Windows 2003 Server...

I guess I'd benefit if I was using a different provider?
M'kay... thanks! :cool:

[aristobrat]

Your iPhone has a timed check where it will go and look for new mail at an interval (15 minutes probably).

Push lets new data be "pushed" to your phone over the cellular network regardless of the state of the phone. This is similar to how a blackberry works - I get my email on my blackberry before it shows up in Outlook at times.
The iPhone already supports Push email that essentially works like a BlackBerry does.

The feature that people are talking about is application push.

Since the iPhone doesn't allow 3rd-party apps to run in the background, this application push will allow a data to be sent to 3rd-party apps (like instant messengers and stuff) even when they're not the foreground application via an Apple push server and an Apple application that runs in the background of the iPhone.

This article explains it much better:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/09/apple_tackles_iphone_background_app_limits_with_push_service.html

[iFerd]

The "push" people are awaiting is push notification for apps other than mail. So, for example, if updates of your software are available in the App Store, the badge would signal that without your opening the App Store application. Or if a chat message comes your way on AIM, you would would get notice, even though you are not using AIM on the iPhone.

[Saladinos]

Apple don't give exact dates for updates, and this is why. Now push can come in a later update. It could still come in September, so Apple didn't lie.

Still, stoked about the fixes. Lack of push isn't as much of a pain as the bugs.

[peterdevries]

Apple's stock dropping and MacRumors forums being full of bitter people posting are two things that happen after virtually every Apple media event.

yep, but the stock was still recovering from the developers conference. Apple should not hype it up so much. In addition rumors are not really helpful. Since most if not all new things from this event were rumored before, people feel disappointed there were no new things that they hadn't heard about...

[CommanderData]

Your iPhone has a timed check where it will go and look for new mail at an interval (15 minutes probably).

Push lets new data be "pushed" to your phone over the cellular network regardless of the state of the phone. This is similar to how a blackberry works - I get my email on my blackberry before it shows up in Outlook at times.

Sorry, but he already has blackberry-like instant push for e-mail (MobileMe and Exchange server with ActiveSync). The "Push Notification Service" that Apple was talking about but pulled from 2.1 at the last minute is the ability for third party applications to receive information from the internet without running in the background. This means a chat/AIM type application will chime and show the little red circle/number when people IM you for example.

This is actually a big deal, and a lot of people are waiting for it to happen. All current IM apps out there log you out whenever push the home button and you do not receive any incoming IMs until you reload the app later and log in again.

[marieeg]

LAME!

I am upset. This is just plain old lame.

We need copy/paste and push.....push is the biggest for the sake of the im applications, certain other ones as well. But mainly the im. ugh.

Hopefully later this month, as Jobs promised we would get the push notification update in september. SO i will be waiting patiently again.


But its still Lame

[iFerd]

The stock market in general has taken a major turn south today. 9 of 10 stocks lost value. The Dow is off 2.4%, the S&P 500 3.4%, and NASDAQ 2.6%. It could be the "big" event has something to do with Apple's stock price, but it would be hard to say that today.

[aristobrat]

yep, but the stock was still recovering from the developers conference. Apple should not hype it up so much. In addition rumors are not really helpful. Since most if not all new things from this event were rumored before, people feel disappointed there were no new things that they hadn't heard about...
There is no proof that Apple hyped it, other than rumors (which, as you mention, are not really helpful).

In regards to rumors regarding its updates, Apple's probably the best company when it comes to keeping them at a minimum.

The developers conference doesn't matter. Apple's stock almost always dives after these types of events where "just updates" are announced. It's been doing it for years.

[Crevice]

Will the video of the conference today be available to watch anywhere?

[burtba]

How disappointing if your using your iPhone as a PDA!

I guess if your into games, its good for your, but I got an iPhone for a phone and PDA, and thus far, I would swap it for a HTC Touch in a flash. It has support!

Come on seriously, are us heavy users of smartphones suppose to just drop and forget all the features and applications we are use to using because Apple wanna be so tight with their codes

I got up early to see what had happened, and now it turns out to be a bad start to the day.
FOR GOODNESS SAKE APPLE YOU SCUM BAGS, GIVE ACCESS TO APP DEVELOPERS SO WE CAN USE SOME REAL APPS, not these stupid little apps you been pumpin out.

DDH - Need access for HandBase
DataViz - Need access for Doc to Go (How pathetic without Doc to Go)
WebIS - Need access for Pocket Informant

Others need access to the GPS Rx, Contacts Database etc etc etc

I guess it was a little obvious at the start if this didnt happen, then after the initial excitement dies from the screen looks and accelerometer etc etc then there will be a distinct movement away from the iPhone.

I for one am ready to move. Friday's release would wana be a lot more than what they have intimated - Bug Fixes........ARE YOU SERIOUS! in an x.x release?? WTF Thats what 2.01 & 2.02 were suppose to achieve

DISAPPOINTING

[homerjfry]

I think I can summarize this thread with how I feel right now: the announcement made me very happy, while making me very sad at the same time.

I just worry that the things I really want (besides a phone that works properly) may never come.

[daneoni]

How disappointing if your using your iPhone as a PDA!

I guess if your into games, its good for your, but I got an iPhone for a phone and PDA, and thus far, I would swap it for a HTC Touch in a flash. It has support!

Come on seriously, are us heavy users of smartphones suppose to just drop and forget all the features and applications we are use to using because Apple wanna be so tight with their codes

I got up early to see what had happened, and now it turns out to be a bad start to the day.
FOR GOODNESS SAKE APPLE YOU SCUM BAGS, GIVE ACCESS TO APP DEVELOPERS SO WE CAN USE SOME REAL APPS, not these stupid little apps you been pumpin out.

DDH - Need access for HandBase
DataViz - Need access for Doc to Go (How pathetic without Doc to Go)
WebIS - Need access for Pocket Informant

Others need access to the GPS Rx, Contacts Database etc etc etc

I guess it was a little obvious at the start if this didnt happen, then after the initial excitement dies from the screen looks and accelerometer etc etc then there will be a distinct movement away from the iPhone.

I for one am ready to move. Friday's release would wana be a lot more than what they have intimated - Bug Fixes........ARE YOU SERIOUS! in an x.x release?? WTF Thats what 2.01 & 2.02 were suppose to achieve

DISAPPOINTING

How do you REALLY feel about it

[studlybw]

Though it's a cool feature that is playing some songs that I haven't heard in a while in my library it does appear to just use the same technology that their Mini-Store uses and not Pandora technology.
Proof of this is in the fact that if you play something that isn't in the store or an artists that iTunes doesn't sell then it will tell you that it doesn't have a genius entry for this song. If you have any Garth Brooks in iTunes just try that and you should come up empty handed.
It has to be based on what other people bought and similar artists. It's still a pretty cool feature but would be even better with the Pandora Project incorporated.

[Alfred.Woodden]

Just because you don't care about what was announced, doesn't make them any less "big". These announcements are huge for shareholders, as these updates/revisions will keep people buying for the holiday season. Also, apple never "advertised" this event to be big. Hell, they didn't advertise this event at all. They invited the press to a closed event. 99% of the buying public won't see the hype, the live text feeds, the rumors. All they see are the new products, which will look pretty huge to them. Apple isn't in business for us, the geeks and rumor addicts. They are in business for the majority of people who buy. We are not the majority.

Very true, actually...

[mocciat]

We better at least get this...

You won't get this. Nike+ needs a hardware add on to be able to communicate with the transmitter that is on/in the shoe. iphones don't have this hardware.

[sflocal]

I didn't believe for a moment that it would be crash proof. That is why I find the responses funny.
I didn't think you did. I just find it interesting reading about other people that honestly had an expectation of crash-proof. Most of my misbehaving iPhone apps will abnormally stop and take me back to the home screen. That's crash-proof right? Or do the readers expect the app itself to never crash which in that case, falls on the lap of the developers themselves.

[Scallywag]

what happened to push services and turn-by-turn GPS support?

I'm pretty sure that there is an issue with charging the battery while using GPS where the phone refuses to charge to prevent overheating. So, using turn-by-turn GPS while charging the battery (if it were even possible) would fry the phone. Using it for any long drive/trip would wipe out the battery in a few hours, making it a semi-usless function. The charging auto-shutoff would have to be bypassed I imagine. Perhaps the allegedly improved power management in 2.1 will take care of this

[MacNut]

Then why have all the previous software updates been released at the same time for both devices?My guess is that they don't want to crash the servers. By staggering the release they can take some load off.

[gri]

How is "apps not crashing" a good feature... come on folks we can only be fanboys to a point.

I am so excited about this fridays new 'crash free apps' feature! Pleeeeeeez!

So true. Now bug fixes are an exciting new feature...?! No crashing apps and FEWER (not NO) dropped calls as well, a FEATURE? What is wrong with this picture, guys? Am I the only one who thinks that that is actually something you would expect right from the beginning...? Granted, better battery life is appreciated and good but this should have been version 2.01 not 2.1!
And btw, I am still on 1G iPhone, waiting for the 3d one (if I can hold of)
:rolleyes:

[MacNut]

I did not hear anyone complaining about jumping to AT&T knowing their network was ****. Now that the iPhone is having problems everyone is complaining. Everyone knew going in what to expect with AT&T.

[milani]

2.0.3 it is!

[BWhaler]

Sure, I'd love genius and nike+ to be added, but all I really want and need is an iPhone which doesn't suck and works properly.

Sure, an iPod can crash and suck; it's just music. But your phone, email, and work tool has to be rock solid. It is a safety issue and a productivity one.

(Of course, I expect quality on the iPod front. My point is only one is generally a nice-to-have entertainment device while the other is an essential utility.)

I really, really hope 2.1 makes the iPhone a high quality product, because right now the iPhone sucks pretty bad with all the bugs and the painfully slow interface.

[xamount]

Looks like the iPod/Music app took some cues from the Remote app and made song lists better. No longer are they limited to just the song name -- now we get artist and album. Very nice.

http://angledwhiteboards.com/images/music1.png
http://angledwhiteboards.com/images/music2.png

[twoodcc]

i just hope it has nike+ support like the touch

[zengod]

After the bug fixes (Had to rebuild mine twice last weekend) and the backup time thing (Can never find the four hours needed to do it - hence the second recovery last weekend :) )

All I want before Christmas is copy and paste - it seems like such a little thing to ask for and I have been a good boy all year - Honest Santa !

[tjcampbell]

My push still barely ever works. Lame.

[hendot]

You won't get this. Nike+ needs a hardware add on to be able to communicate with the transmitter that is on/in the shoe. iphones don't have this hardware.

The communication between the transmitter and the hardware addon is basically Bluetooth. There is a chance we will see support on the iPhone.

[frolo]

The communication between the transmitter and the hardware addon is basically Bluetooth. There is a chance we will see support on the iPhone.

Not according to this article:
http://gizmodo.com/5047450/confirmed-nike%252B-only-works-with-2nd-gen-ipod-touch-not-iphone-or-1st-gen-itouch

[Xian Zhu Xuande]

I would love to see age demographics for this forum... I'm trying to remember the last time I've heard so much damn whining about such good news. A whole mess of people here have been crying their little heads off about the instability of their iPod Touch or iPhone and now it seems like they're crying about the lack of new features--and even seem angry now that Apple has addressed the problem!

Edit: To people who are having stability problems: are you 1) not doing anything on your iPhone or iPod Touch while apps are installing? And are you 2) restarting your device after you finish your installs? By doing those two things I have cut down my problems to absolutely nothing. If I mess with it during installation it crashes and bad things happen before long. If I keep using it after app installs, including from iTunes, there are general stability problems. Once I restart, everything is golden.

If Apple pulled features to focus totally on a quality experience, I saw awesome. Thank you! I'm really excited about this. I want my iPhone to just work. Trivial features like turn-by-turn GPS navigation are far less important to me. They can come when they are ready. I'm similarly thrilled about the prospects of Snow Leopard. I buy Apple because I want a solid stable and reliable product. If Steve Jobs didn't live in his own little world I'd be worried that he might actually listen to this sort of crying.

We all know the hardware upgrades are right around the bend. We might even get a similar event dedicated specifically to Mac (given how many products are now in need of a refresh). Now that is what I'm really looking forward to.

[GNice]

- Apple announced several things today. Who said the bug fixes were supposed to be THE big thing. Some of you clearly have put your own spin on it. Please point me to anything where Apple said the bug fixes were THE big thing. I thought the event was much more about the new iPod. The bug fixed were an oh by the way type thing. An important one, but not the center of the event as some of you seem to be saying.

- If the iPhone is such a POS why couldn't you folks that are so upset figure that out in 2 weeks. If my phone was as bad as some of you say your phones are I would have returned mine long ago.

G

[That70sGAdawg]

How about syncing of Memos (Notes) and "to do's" (Tasks) with Mac, or Windows???

WOULD THAT BE SO HARD "TO DO"??????:D

[BustAGroove]

Now that I think about it.....do you think there is a reason they are holding off on the iPhone 2.1 till Friday for a reason? It seems odd to release 2.1 for the touch and 2.1 for the iPhone a few days later....

I think they don't want a repeat of IPhone 3G launch day....where the servers got hammered.

[newyorksole]

It's easy for them to SAY all of this, but I'm not going to be happy until I download it and the fixes are true. They said 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 fixed things as well, but not for alot of people.

Here's hoping that 2.1 will be worth it... hmm

[saturniphone]

I would love to see age demographics for this forum... I'm trying to remember the last time I've heard so much damn whining about such good news. A whole mess of people here have been crying their little heads off about the instability of their iPod Touch or iPhone and now it seems like they're crying about the lack of new features--and even seem angry now that Apple has addressed the problem!

Edit: To people who are having stability problems: are you 1) not doing anything on your iPhone or iPod Touch while apps are installing? And are you 2) restarting your device after you finish your installs? By doing those two things I have cut down my problems to absolutely nothing. If I mess with it during installation it crashes and bad things happen before long. If I keep using it after app installs, including from iTunes, there are general stability problems. Once I restart, everything is golden.

If Apple pulled features to focus totally on a quality experience, I saw awesome. Thank you! I'm really excited about this. I want my iPhone to just work. Trivial features like turn-by-turn GPS navigation are far less important to me. They can come when they are ready. I'm similarly thrilled about the prospects of Snow Leopard. I buy Apple because I want a solid stable and reliable product. If Steve Jobs didn't live in his own little world I'd be worried that he might actually listen to this sort of crying.

We all know the hardware upgrades are right around the bend. We might even get a similar event dedicated specifically to Mac (given how many products are now in need of a refresh). Now that is what I'm really looking forward to.

Since it's apparently not completely obvious to some people the reason why everyone is "crying" is because Apple told reporters that this event was an uncharacteristically "big deal" then released nothing unexpected or even of great interest. I'm sorry you don't seem to care about that, but most of the world does. Most people are sick of the cult like following Apple has and is going to criticize them when they pander like that and fail to deliver.

I have an iPhone and agree that I would like some stability updates. That being said I have 20 some applications and my backups generally take under a minute so I don't really have the earth shattering problems most have. I also haven't had very many lag problems since 2.0.2 and have had no more or less crashes for Safari since 1.0.0 (that is, it has always crashed because it's just flat out not very well done).

I just can't stand the double standard. Apple clearly hyped this event something fierce and all the delivered was some new mechanism that will allow them to make more money (Genius playlist). If this was Microsoft people would piss and moan constantly for releasing a buggy product and then spending time developing things to make more money.

Apple needs to fix their bugs, deliver on their promises, and not make needless hype. They may have done the first with this new update, but without push notifications this month they've failed on the second two. However, I would expect that push notifications will come this month and that we'll get the best of both world. Now, if they could stop hyping every damn thing they do maybe we'd be onto something.

[dwardin9]

Am i the only one on the planet who has no problems with the iphone 3g?! No crashes, no hour long backup times. I have some slow typing when it comes to sms but really no complaints.

No macbooks today!?!!?! Not happy. Granted its a music oriented event but one year people. It has been a year since macbooks even seen a decent update. Not happy.:(

[fishmd]

Well I'm going to guess that it's because they paid for a piece of crap. As well as paid for the opportunity to be beta testers for Apple.

Look, I love Apple products, but the company itself can eat a big one. So many people think that everything they do is gold, yet realistically the iPhone has been a joke, and this 'update' just proves it.

"hey cool, let's fix a bunch of crap that should have never been in a final public build of one of our marquee products...cool"

Please. If it was any other company they would have been crucified by now, but I'm always amazed at how much slack people give Apple.

Dude have you ever owned a Micro$oft product. :eek:

[Dimwhit]

Am i the only one on the planet who has no problems with the iphone 3g?! No crashes, no hour long backup times. I have some slow typing when it comes to sms but really no complaints.

I've had the hour-long backups, but that's it. I've had I think one dropped call. Safari has never once crashed on me. Keyboard lag hasn't been a problem (only occurs rarely). It's been a great phone for me.

[Marky_Mark]

Well I'm going to guess that it's because they paid for a piece of crap. As well as paid for the opportunity to be beta testers for Apple.

Look, I love Apple products, but the company itself can eat a big one. So many people think that everything they do is gold, yet realistically the iPhone has been a joke, and this 'update' just proves it.

"hey cool, let's fix a bunch of crap that should have never been in a final public build of one of our marquee products...cool"

Please. If it was any other company they would have been crucified by now, but I'm always amazed at how much slack people give Apple.

Dude, if you read the Engadget feed, SJ spent about a minute on this. He didn't big it up, he didn't 'sell' it like it was a feature that we should rush to congratulate them on, he just said, "The update's coming out Friday, it'll fix some problems. Now, moving on..." Furthermore, he was specific about which areas it would address - dropped calls, apps stability, battery life - all things that have been the main beef of posters on this forum, and no doubt, countless others, including Apple's own. I was disappointed today, because Apple implored journos to attend a 'big deal' event, but not because of this. If there's some additional functionality on Friday, great, but otherwise, I'll be happy that they've devoted their limited bandwidth over the last three or four weeks on solving widespread, repeatable problems. Don't knock it.

By the way, other companies don't get crucified. People have sucked it up with M$ products for years. If Dell, Toshiba or Sony release a sack o'crap, it gets a brief paragraph on business page 5 and never gets mentioned again. Apple has an extremely vocal audience, and they themselves court the media, so they get bad publicity as well as good publicity. I can't think of another company that gets scrutinised like they do, every minute of every day. It someone farts, it's front page news.

[vilasgn]

By the way, other companies don't get crucified. People have sucked it up with M$ products for years. If Dell, Toshiba or Sony release a sack o'crap, it gets a brief paragraph on business page 5 and never gets mentioned again. Apple has an extremely vocal audience, and they themselves court the media, so they get bad publicity as well as good publicity. I can't think of another company that gets scrutinised like they do, every minute of every day. It someone farts, it's front page news.

Spot on! These whiners just whine because they got a forum!

[ZombiePete]

I've had the hour-long backups, but that's it. I've had I think one dropped call. Safari has never once crashed on me. Keyboard lag hasn't been a problem (only occurs rarely). It's been a great phone for me.

The slow keyboard is enough by itself to drive me insane. If the new firmware fixes it, I'll be happy. But it happens all the time in emails and SMS to me, enough that I have honestly craved a hardware keyboard at times.

[vvebsta]

I can understand why people are complaining. This news really isn't all that exciting.

Who doesn't have an ipod touch these days?? I don't see enough incentive to jump on the band wagon and buy new ones. At the end of the day it plays music. Like why buy a new refrigerator when the old one keeps your food just as cold?

iPhone people got shafted! Steve did a blanket sweep of the iPhone update. Hardly anything was mentioned. I feel like its bad form for Apple to announce push application support at the last event and for them not to follow through with it by the end of the month.

Speed things up Apple. :rolleyes:

[soLoredd]

I'm reserving judgement until we actually have 2.1 on our iPhones. That is a pretty bold statement to claim no more app crashes and improved stability. With 2 updates thus far they have been unable to do neither. Now all of a sudden they have the "magic key"?

We'll see.

[Turmoil]

Woah. Some folks just need to chill. I mean really, when did Mac users become so whiney. "AAAAAH. I didn't get what I want." They made some nice announcements today. News hardware, upgraded software. Brilliant products. Enjoy and appreciate the fantastic things you have and life will be a lot better. Really.

Thanks to Apple for making such amazing products that make my life better!

[dizzy13]

Looks like iPod touch 2.1 firmware is available for download... Sucks that iPhone owners have to wait til Friday. :(

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/softwareupdate.html

Has anyone confirmed you can update the touch today? I assume that's just to purchase the ability to download 2.x updates for your iTunes account.

I think the most obvious reason that they would release it on Friday is because they released iTunes 8.0 today. Apple is big, but even the biggest companies can have their networks/servers slow down under heavy demand. Also, iTunes is used by more than just apple users since its a free media player. I starteed using iTunes before I even had my first iPod.

Also, I'm sure the 8.0 update will be required for installing 2.1 firmware to the touch and iphone so another reason to let everyone get iTunes and then release the firmware update a few days later.

[sixth]

I'm reserving judgement until we actually have 2.1 on our iPhones. That is a pretty bold statement to claim no more app crashes and improved stability. With 2 updates thus far they have been unable to do neither. Now all of a sudden they have the "magic key"?

We'll see.

can't agree more! I am sick and tired of the keyboard locking up and it takes 5 f'n minutes for my SMS to open ... That's a really bold statement saying they fixed everything... I doubt it... One thing with apple updates after updates still don't fix a thing..

[mike12806]

The whole idea of the push API was what really softened the blow when all of us realized you couldn't keep any of the apps open at all. I mean c'mon, how am I supposed to fully utilize some of these programs if I have to "reload, reinitialize" or whatever every time I get a phone call or a text etc. I am all for a very stable iphone firmware, but I see the Push API as a big deal, and definitely want it in the 2.1 software.

[docal97]

Kinda weird to see Steve Jobs talk about an impending software release that fixes tons of bugs and software drops and battery problems as something that he is talking about like it is something so great. Well it is b/c we would like to see a stable iphone but i mean c'mon, it just looks so bad to stand up there and have to sorta say that the iphone software was crap when it was released. It certainly doesn't inspire any kind of confidence in apple for the future.

And to stand up there and say all that and not make one announcement of ANY new feature? Really just crazy.......

[Apple Ink]

Is there any way that Apple might have just shipped the iPhone 3G with the low powered antenna thingy? I'd be disappointed if Apple didnt!