Steve still doesn't look well

[Trajectory]

The photos of Steve posted by Engadget shows that he is still rail-thin and gaunt. He doesn't look healthy at all, I hope his health improves soon and it's nothing too serious.

[Schtumple]

I thought he looked better than before to be honest...

Why don't we wait and see until the keynote is watchable online, then, we don't have to rely on mr blurrycam for our opinions...

[TEG]

To be honest, he doesn't look any worse than every Vegan I know.

TEG

[Trajectory]

I thought he looked better than before to be honest...

Why don't we wait and see until the keynote is watchable online, then, we don't have to rely on mr blurrycam for our opinions...

I didn't watch the feed here, I watched it on Engagdet which had nice big, clear photos. It's clear that something is eating away at Steve's body.

[Schtumple]

I didn't watch the feed here, I watched it on Engagdet which had nice big, clear photos. It's clear that something is eating away at Steve's body.

Yes, me too, and what I'm saying, is rather than judge from a set of some blurred pictures, why not wait until you watch it in high resolution video...

[Apple Corps]

I didn't watch the feed here, I watched it on Engagdet which had nice big, clear photos. It's clear that something is eating away at Steve's body.

How is it clear that something is "eating away" at Steve's body? Yes, he looks gaunt - a bit better - IMO - from the last event.

[Trajectory]

Yes, me too, and what I'm saying, is rather than judge from a set of some blurred pictures, why not wait until you watch it in high resolution video...

As I said, the photos weren't blurry. Does this look blurry to you?

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/09/apple-lets-rock-089.jpg

[Schtumple]

As I said, the photos weren't blurry. Does this look blurry to you?

<snip>http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/09/apple-lets-rock-089.jpg<snip>

Ok I didn't see this photo, the only ones I saw were pretty blurred ones, even looking at that he doesn't look that skinny, he looks better than he did at MW08...

[NT1440]

hes looks skinny, yes, but not at all gaunt or like before.

Hes fine. lay off

[Trajectory]

hes looks skinny, yes, but not at all gaunt or like before.

Hes fine. lay off

That's your opinion.

[NC MacGuy]

To be honest, he doesn't look any worse than every Vegan I know.

TEG

I agree.

Looked well enough to me.

[Schtumple]

That's your opinion.

Where as what you're saying is quite obviously pure fact...

[Trajectory]

Where as what you're saying is quite obviously pure fact...

Did I say that? Move on, please.

[Schtumple]

Did I say that? Move on, please.

No but you did insinuate it, which is pretty much close enough...

Move on? Because I disagree with you means I shouldn't post in this thread?

[odinsride]

I have to agree with the OP, he does not look well to me.

[dacreativeguy]

Just like the new ipods, he is getting thinner and more powerful every year.

Don't be surprised if the next MacBook Air commercial shows both the Air AND Steve Jobs coming out of the envelope at the SAME TIME!

[NC MacGuy]

Just like the event today, questions of his health was a non-event. He looked better than at the iPhone show.

[rfrankl]

OP must be part of the hedge fund Steve alluded to.

[kupua]

To be honest, he doesn't look any worse than every Vegan I know.

TEG

I don't recall a story bout him being vegan... but shirt and pants look very baggy. I'm with the the rest of the club, something is eating away at him. Wish him the best.

Just finished re-watching the 2008 Keynote from Mahallo... IMHO, the clothes fit much better then... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz1-cPx0cIk

[Trajectory]

Here's a photo of Steve in June. To me, he looks just as thin and gaunt today as he did in June. I don't see the "improvement" others allude to.

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/galleries/1239106/0137484950085.jpg

No but you did insinuate it, which is pretty much close enough...

Insinuating and "close enough" is you projecting your opinion onto my words. Not the same as me actually typing those words. Do you understand the difference?

[Scepticalscribe]

I have to agree with the OP, he does not look well to me.

It is not just the gaunt appearance, but the pallor as well, which is indicative to me of chronic, or long-term, ill-health. Like the OP, I am truly sorry to see it, as he is one of the world's great creative forces in his field.

The stories about his appearance and his health (and disclosure/non-disclosure of ill-health) have caused strong feelings on other threads, too.

Just like the new ipods, he is getting thinner and more powerful every year.

Don't be surprised if the next MacBook Air commercial shows both the Air AND Steve Jobs coming out of the envelope at the SAME TIME!

Clever, funny, sharp and biting - but true. Lol.

Cheers

[TEG]

I don't recall a story bout him being vegan... but shirt and pants look very baggy. I'm with the the rest of the club, something is eating away at him. Wish him the best.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=454042

TEG

[Schtumple]

Insinuating and "close enough" is you projecting your opinion onto my words. Not the same as me actually typing those words. Do you understand the difference?

Ok, I don't usually stoop that low and I apologise, but I still think Steve looks better than before, I'm incredibly skinny myself (I have a BMI of 16.5, should be at least 18.5), and he doesn't look skinnier than I do...

I'll admit, he could look better, but he still looks better than before.

[Trajectory]

I still think Steve looks better than before, I'm incredibly skinny myself (I have a BMI of 16.5, should be at least 18.5), and he doesn't look skinnier than I do.

I see your point, but there is a big difference between someone who is naturally skinny and someone who has lost a lot of weight due to an illness. You can be healthy and look thin, but, to me Steve does not look healthy, especially when you compare how he looks now to just a few years ago. He is clearly having serious health issues which I really hope he can overcome and get back to his healthy self again.

[Butthead]

I see your point, but there is a big difference between someone who is naturally skinny and someone who has lost a lot of weight due to an illness. You can be healthy and look thin, but, to me Steve does not look healthy, especially when you compare how he looks now to just a few years ago. He is clearly having serious health issues which I really hope he can overcome and get back to his healthy self again.

Well that was the speculation of the previous thread I posted about Lyon's.

Lyons: Steve Jobs' health in serious question
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=555457

However, if Steve says he feels fine, he could have suffered weight loss due to complications from the side-effects of the pancreatic cancer treatments he went through, but still be relatively healthy, just loss a fair amount of weight recently from those complications that need to be addressed.

Notice how super pudgy Clinton, over-weight to be sure; looked pretty damned thin too after his own illness. But isn't Clinton overall healthier now, losing some weight, even if it doesn't look all that 'healthy' from an outward view?

If Steve has been doing any kind of exercise since his bout with cancer, overall, in spite of the weight loss back in June...in theory he could actually be in better overall health. Don't think, even if he does some exercise at all, he's going to be exercising enough to put back on weight in a muscle building way, like former president Ronald Reagan did after the attempted assassination attempt on him (had to be fitted with larger suits because of the weightlifting he was doing post surgery, got him bigger upper body muscle mass). If he actually feels better now (currently, from words in article linked below), because he's exercising more, feels stronger now than he did at WWDC, then he might actually truly be in better health now, even if it doesn't look like it. As long as he's working with doctors and dietitians, if he doesn't lose anymore weight, he could be just fine...as he says he feels.

I don't recall a story bout him being vegan... but shirt and pants look very baggy. I'm with the the rest of the club, something is eating away at him. Wish him the best.

Just finished re-watching the 2008 Keynote from Mahallo... IMHO, the clothes fit much better then... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz1-cPx0cIk

Hmm, I think his new shaved, less scruffy looking face makes a big difference in his look from his pre-cancer, heavier weight days. Losing more hair as he ages, doesn't help any of us guys, lol (women too ;) ).

Then I notice in some of the more recent photos today, his baggy lower eyelids look a bit more pronounced, also could be from weight loss. Eck, the new blk turtlenecks look like Steve is purposely buying baggier size (too hide this new thinness? think it works opposite if that be the case...too baggy, for him now, IMHO going with less baggy turtlenecks would make him look skinny, but not so exaggerated as the super baggy look of now). Not sure if the old heavier Steve, wouldn't also look thinner wearing the current ones???

OP must be part of the hedge fund Steve alluded to.

hedge fund reference....for those who did not see the CNBC interview, linky:


Steve Jobs Talks New iPods, Health: My One On One
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26628547

though interviewer dismissed the comment, for context:
quoting SJ "hedge funds with a big short position in Apple."


I think it was an off-hand remark. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The bigger focus of course, is his health. And while he still looks thin, there was definitely a bounce in his step lacking in that June appearance. He reassured me he was doing fine, that he could stand to gain a little weight, but all in all, he didn't know "what else I can do" to for those still concerned about him.

[TXCraig]

Steve did not SOUND well either! His voice sounded awful and his normal enthusiasm was gone.

[davidjearly]

I think TXCraig has it spot on. I though Steve appeared much better in this keynote video than in the Summer, but I thought he lacked enthusiasm for what he was selling and didn't seem to have as much energy.

But, I hate all this speculation about his health. I wish people, investors or not, would just leave well alone.

[spamdumpster]

I had a parasite about 3 years ago that caused me to lose about 25 lbs (I'm normally 150, so that's almost 20 percent of my normal body weight). I looked gaunt and pale, etc., even though I was otherwise healthy. After about a month, the terrible diarrhea and cramping, etc. died down, but it still took me more than 6 months to get my weight back. Could be something like that. I bet he's fine.

[Rodimus Prime]

I think TXCraig has it spot on. I though Steve appeared much better in this keynote video than in the Summer, but I thought he lacked enthusiasm for what he was selling and didn't seem to have as much energy.

But, I hate all this speculation about his health. I wish people, investors or not, would just leave well alone.


He brought it on himself and it will be apple down fall. He made himself the face of apple and makes it seem like to the rest of the world it is only him. He needs to step down before his heath forces him to. For a force retirement of 6' under. Both those will be a lot worse than him just saying bye at a macworld.

But it is SJ fault for investors doing that. Everyone thinks apple is run by him and with out him it is in trouble and it was SJ that made that image.

[combatcolin]

Steve does not look good.

Guy used to be (sort of) buff, now he looks like a strong wind will knock him over.

[Trajectory]

But, I hate all this speculation about his health. I wish people, investors or not, would just leave well alone.

Then why do you participate in these threads? The health of any leader, whether of a company or country, is important to lots of people. Saying "leave well enough alone" is just ignoring a potential big problem and pretending nothing is wrong. You may like living in a fantasy world, but, many of us prefer to live in the real world.

[belvdr]

Then why do you participate in these threads? The health of any leader, whether of a company or country, is important to lots of people. Saying "leave well enough alone" is just ignoring a potential big problem and pretending nothing is wrong. You may like living in a fantasy world, but, many of us prefer to live in the real world.

Problem is that this is just speculation really. You have no real proof there is anything wrong at this point.

Considering there are no facts, there is no "potential big problem". Since that doesn't exist either, it is not the real world. That's my take on it anyway.

[davidjearly]

Then why do you participate in these threads? The health of any leader, whether of a company or country, is important to lots of people. Saying "leave well enough alone" is just ignoring a potential big problem and pretending nothing is wrong. You may like living in a fantasy world, but, many of us prefer to live in the real world.

I prefer to live in a world where privacy is paramount, regardless of your position. Some people seem to misunderstand the rights we have as individuals. :rolleyes:

[Trajectory]

You have no real proof there is anything wrong at this point. Considering there are no facts, there is no "potential big problem". Since that doesn't exist either, it is not the real world. That's my take on it anyway.

So the photos of Steve looking like a skeleton should just be ignored and discounted as some proof that something's not right? There are plenty of facts out there about Steve's health problems. Some are probably being kept secret, in which case, how do you know there is nothing wrong and no potential big problem? Because there's far more evidence to the contrary, which is why there is so much speculation about it.

[Trajectory]

I prefer to live in a world where privacy is paramount, regardless of your position. Some people seem to misunderstand the rights we have as individuals. :rolleyes:

Sorry, but, that is just completely unrealistic and a fantasy world that doesn't exist. Privacy? Individual rights? That is SOOO last Millennium. :rolleyes:

[WardC]

I posted this in another thread, you can judge for yourself:

http://www.wardcurry.com/steve.jpg

[belvdr]

So the photos of Steve looking like a skeleton should just be ignored and discounted as some proof that something's not right? There are plenty of facts out there about Steve's health problems. Some are probably being kept secret, in which case, how do you know there is nothing wrong and no potential big problem? Because there's far more evidence to the contrary, which is why there is so much speculation about it.

I don't know anything but what they have released to the public, and that's the reality. I'm not the one claiming the speculation is the "real world". I will agree he is a bit thin, but then again, so am I.