Odds and Ends: New Shuffles, In-Ear Headphones, First Impressions, and More

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As with all Apple events, there's a lot of information to process on the new releases. We ask readers try to consolidate general discussion about the announcements in the appropriate news stories: New iPod Nanos and Classic (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/09/4th-generation-ipod-nano-accelerometer-genius-colors-taller/), New iPod Touch (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/09/2nd-generation-ipod-touch-2-1-firmware-speaker-thinner/), iPhone 2.1 Firmware Coming Friday (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/09/iphone-2-1-firmware-coming-on-friday-bug-fixes-connectivity-and-battery-life/), iTunes 8 (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/09/itunes-8-hd-tv-shows-grid-view-genius-playlists-nbc/).

We've also consolidated a few additional notes of interest from today's announcements:

Software Updates

- iTunes 8 is available for download (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/09/itunes-8-hd-tv-shows-grid-view-genius-playlists-nbc/), including the new Visualizer which is an improved version of Magnetosphere. Atlchris has posted a video (http://atlchris.com/256/itunes-8-visualizer-demo/) of the new visualizer. [Discuss here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=559321)]
- Quicktime, Front Row updates available in Mac OS X Software Update to support iTunes 8.

iPod Touch

- iPod Touch impression: Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/09/ipod-touch-2g-first-hands-on/): "the speaker doesn't sound like complete trash despite not even having any speaker holes, and the thing is crazy thin."
- iPod Touch impression: Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5047416/ipod-touch-version-2-hands-on): "most noticeable thing about the second-gen iPod touch is just how thin it feels in your hand."
- The pay version of the iPod 2.1 firmware is available (http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/softwareupdate.html) for those who still have iPods with version 1.x firmware. If you’ve already upgraded to the iPhone 2.0 Software Update for iPod touch, the 2.1 update is free.
- The Free 2.0->2.1 upgrade for iPod Touch owners is starting to appear (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=559430), but users have been unsuccessful in downloading the new update.
- Apple has posted a new guided tour video (http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/guidedtour/) for the new iPod Touch and shows off the Genius Playlist feature. (via TUAW (http://www.tuaw.com/2008/09/09/apple-posts-ipod-touch-walk-through-video/))

iPod Nano

- iPod Nano impression: Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5047390/ipod-nano-hands+on-impressions): fast and responsive, click-wheel less "grippy", responsive accelerometer, feels small, click-wheel orientation remains same when nano is turned.
- iPod Nano comparison photos (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/first-look-ipod-nanos-new-colors-compared/) showing its size next to the old iPods.
- YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nhJVtL7M3c) and screenshots (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/hands-on-ipod-nano-4g-and-ipod-touch-2g/) from iLounge showing off the new Nano interface.

Other

- The new iPods are not eligible (http://switchtoamac.com/site/apple-reduces-backtoschool-ipod-rebate-amount-by-up-to-90-new-ipods-not-eligible.html) for the Back to School promotion which ends on September 15th.
- iPod Shuffles have been refreshed with new colors (http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/), but the same storage capacities.
- Apple also introduced new $79 in-ear headphones (http://www.apple.com/ipod/inearheadphones/)

General questions and other discussion can be directed to our dedicated forums (http://forums.macrumors.com/): iPhone (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=124), iPod Touch (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=113), iPod and iTunes (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=75), and App Store (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=133).

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/09/odds-and-ends-new-shuffles-in-ear-headphones-first-impressions-and-more/)

[rydenfan]

With dark colored ipods and nanos I wish they would offer the new earbuds in black as well.

[J*man]

^That would be cool.

[aygie]

HD Trailers now available in iTunes 8?

Just downloaded Tropic Thunder trailer 1080p! Is it me or is this new???

[HiRez]

I hope it's not true that Apple was begging journalists to the event and telling them it's going to be "a big deal", because to me the announcements are fine, but nothing at all groundbreaking. If they cry wolf too many times, people might stop covering them when it really is a big deal.

[Desamell]

the touch is still more expensive than iphone. I'm going iPhone now bye ipods.

[carve]

This was a good refresh. I love the new nanos, the curved glass looks very interesting. I might be picking up a 8 gig one.

[Xian Zhu Xuande]

the touch is still more expensive than iphone. I'm going iPhone now bye ipods.
Only because carriers pay a subsidy when you buy an iPhone. The actual device costs much more than $199/$299. There is no carrier to pay a subsidy on the iPod Touch, even though it costs less to make than an iPhone, so it costs more. Apple isn't going to sell them at a huge loss...

[bobbleheadbob]

Will the new headphones work with the iPhone? It's not clear from the product description. Since it doesn't say that it does, I'm guessing no, but it would seem like it should.:confused:

[Desamell]

which one would you buy??? 16GB Nano or 8gig iPod Touch

[wordlesschorus]

I just bought a new Nano 4 weeks ago. :mad:

[clayj]

I love the new headphones. Hopefully they can be used in place of the ones that come with the iPhone, so that you can talk to someone else using the headphones. The rest of the hardware does nothing for me... all I was really looking forward to was a higher-capacity iPod Touch.

The software should be pretty cool. Can't wait to update my iPhone.

[MacTheSpoon]

Ah, I like that yellow one. I believe this is the first iPod ever offered in yellow.

[mrgreen4242]

the touch is still more expensive than iphone. I'm going iPhone now bye ipods.
HAHAHA. Ya, $229 iPod vs. $1879 over 2 years is a whole lot cheaper. :rolleyes:

I love the new headphones. Hopefully they can be used in place of the ones that come with the iPhone, so that you can talk to someone else using the headphones. The rest of the hardware does nothing for me... all I was really looking forward to was a higher-capacity iPod Touch.

The software should be pretty cool. Can't wait to update my iPhone.

The Apple website lists the new headphones as being only compatible with the devices announced today. No iPhones, 1st gen touches, etc. Lame because there's STILL no remote for these devices (from Apple, and that integrate the headphone jack into them).

[iSlave]

None of these announcements have got me as excited as watching Hannah on the iPod Touch guided tour. 'Let's Rock' indeed....:p

[metrocon]

I love the new headphones. Hopefully they can be used in place of the ones that come with the iPhone, so that you can talk to someone else using the headphones. The rest of the hardware does nothing for me... all I was really looking forward to was a higher-capacity iPod Touch.

The software should be pretty cool. Can't wait to update my iPhone.

According to the spec page, no mention of iPhone compatibility, unfortunately:

"The remote and mic are supported only by iPod nano (4th generation), iPod classic (120GB), and iPod touch (2nd generation). Audio is supported by all iPod models."

http://www.apple.com/ipod/inearheadphones/

[mekopolis]

are they really going to tease us every time we sync or plug in our ipods to tell us 2.1 is available, yet when you click download and install is says, oh sorry

it will be a long time till friday if that happens
esp. since spore and real soccer 2009 are draining my battery constantly

[zengod]

Looks like two steps back for apple - Dropping iPod classic to 120Gb from 160Gb and making the Nano bigger.

I thought that version 3 was perfect so can't really see why they have done this.

Metal back on the Touch is a better deal than we got with the iPhone 3G (Yes I know why but I just think it looks cheap.

Glad I have my iPod 160Gb now otherwise I would be rushing out to buy one now - Is this the death knell of the standard iPod in favour of Touch I wonder ?

[duncyboy]

which one would you buy??? 16GB Nano or 8gig iPod Touch

I was convinced I was in the market for a Touch but having seen the update and thought about it I think it'll be the 16GB Nano.

It'll depend on reading peoples thoughts and pro reviews over the next few weeks (before payday :D ).

My only questions about the Nano are-

My music is around 7GB, how much video can I fit onto the remaining space?
What's the glass screen like? And is it resilient?
Any glitches/bugs.

Otherwise, I just have to pick a colour. Purple looks neat. But the dark grey matches my car. No, red! For Liverpool! But orange looks nice and bright... but so does the green. Nuts.

[gugy]

I like the Nano, but if the price so close to the iPod Touch 8gig, it seems a better deal jump into the Touch.

I wish Apple dropped the 8gig Nano for $100 and the 16gig for $150. The current prices does not make too much sense for me.

[Desamell]

I was convinced I was in the market for a Touch but having seen the update and thought about it I think it'll be the 16GB Nano.

It'll depend on reading peoples thoughts and pro reviews over the next few weeks (before payday :D ).

My only questions about the Nano are-

My music is around 7GB, how much video can I fit onto the remaining space?
What's the glass screen like? And is it resilient?
Any glitches/bugs.

Otherwise, I just have to pick a colour. Purple looks neat. But the dark grey matches my car. No, red! For Liverpool! But orange looks nice and bright... but so does the green. Nuts.
go for nano, the 8GB touch is really only 7.08 on my 1st gen one

[Desamell]

if i were too choose a color for the nano i'd be stuck between red and orange

[mrgreen4242]

I was convinced I was in the market for a Touch but having seen the update and thought about it I think it'll be the 16GB Nano.

It'll depend on reading peoples thoughts and pro reviews over the next few weeks (before payday :D ).

My only questions about the Nano are-

My music is around 7GB, how much video can I fit onto the remaining space?
What's the glass screen like? And is it resilient?
Any glitches/bugs.

Otherwise, I just have to pick a colour. Purple looks neat. But the dark grey matches my car. No, red! For Liverpool! But orange looks nice and bright... but so does the green. Nuts.

Get a touch, if you need to stretch the budget get a refurb 1st gen or something. The touch is much more than an iPod, the screen is gorgeous to watch movies on, and the touch interface is the best I've ever used. The glass is very strong, feels smooth under your fingers and is just a joy to use.

I can't ever imagine going back to a non-touch iPod.

[YoGramMamma]

While it mentions that 2.1 is available for the iPod touch today (despite users being unable to actually download it) it makes no mention of iPhone support.

This would have me believe that there's more to it (the 2.1 for iPhone update) than what was mentioned today... or else they would have just released it today alongside the iPod update, no?

[Hattig]

iTunes 8 crashed for me on my iBook :(

Of course, I was trying to drag an image from Firefox onto the Grid View of iTunes in order to try and set the album art for an album with it (AC/DC, get on iTunes dammit!), but I wasn't expecting it to crash and burn.

[Appler]

My apologies of this question was asked-and answered-before. Is there a video of the let's rock event? Usually it's on apple.com, but i can't find it...and Macrumors is not supplying a link. I really enjoy how Jobs speaks as he unveils the new products.

[bdkennedy1]

Hmmmm..., I wonder where Microsoft's thunder-stealing product announcements were today?

[bdkennedy1]

The keynote usually isn't posted until about 6-8 hours after it ends so it can be processed and edited.

My apologies of this question was asked-and answered-before. Is there a video of the let's rock event? Usually it's on apple.com, but i can't find it...and Macrumors is not supplying a link. I really enjoy how Jobs speaks as he unveils the new products.

[Digital Skunk]

I have to say that the earbuds look nice, but I know they will crap out after a month or two. The Nano still looks like $h!t, but it's worth a closer look due to it's features.

This is the first time Apple produced something ugly with specs worth giving it a second look.

[jonhaxor]

According to the spec page, no mention of iPhone compatibility, unfortunately:

"The remote and mic are supported only by iPod nano (4th generation), iPod classic (120GB), and iPod touch (2nd generation). Audio is supported by all iPod models."



i would say no compatibility .. notice that it's just the new models they introduced so it looks to have something to do with the chipset/design

[Desamell]

I have to say that the earbuds look nice, but I know they will crap out after a month or two. The Nano still looks like $h!t, but it's worth a closer look due to it's features.

This is the first time Apple produced something ugly with specs worth giving it a second look.

Nano looks ok

[neologisma]

I bet a tablet mac that they will find the Higgs boson before Apple issues a decent update on their MBP line.

[Appler]

ok thanks alot. ill keep a lookout then.

The keynote usually isn't posted until about 6-8 hours after it ends so it can be processed and edited.

[The Killer Fuzz]

if i were too choose a color for the nano i'd be stuck between red and orange

Yeah, Im stuck between red and orange also......Red, because it awesome and my favorite color, but orange because it also cool and it matches my shuffle...

[kemble54]

WHY!?!? They are so awesome, but I just wish they'd work as replacements for the ones that came with my iPhone. Now I'm forced to look for third party in-ear headphones that have a mic for talking on the phone...DOH!

[Digital Skunk]

Nano looks ok

If you say so. Glad they went back to the 2G Nano stick look but I still think keeping it square would have been better.

WHY!?!? They are so awesome, but I just wish they'd work as replacements for the ones that came with my iPhone. Now I'm forced to look for third party in-ear headphones that have a mic for talking on the phone...DOH!

Or you could get the crappy ones from Apple again. ;)

[wake6830]

Yea, why don't the new headphones work with the iPhone?

[big_malk]

WHY!?!? They are so awesome, but I just wish they'd work as replacements for the ones that came with my iPhone. Now I'm forced to look for third party in-ear headphones that have a mic for talking on the phone...DOH!

I can't see apple not making them iPhone compatible, that'd be stupid. I'm betting those requirements will change with the release of 2.1 on Friday, which will add support for the remote buttons.

[queshy]

I have to say that the earbuds look nice, but I know they will crap out after a month or two. The Nano still looks like $h!t, but it's worth a closer look due to it's features.

This is the first time Apple produced something ugly with specs worth giving it a second look.

So, looks like I was right about the black-backed iPod touch :P

And yes, we were both right about the overall predictability of the event haha.

[chillywilly]

Interesting that the Shuffle colors went back to the previous colors (minus the orange, which is now available on the new 4G nanos).

I'd be curious to try out the new headphones. $80 may not be bad if they have a great sound.

[diamond3]

All I can say, out of everything new with iTunes (content, views, etc), Genius is by far the best thing. It takes a minute to scan through all the music and send it to apple, but once done it makes it sooo nice for just listening to random music that sounds alike. When I have thousands of songs of very very different types, this creates a playlist quickly based on a kind of song I like. I know there are ways of doing this with smart playlists, but its very difficult and time consuming.

[Digital Skunk]

So, looks like I was right about the black-backed iPod touch :P

And yes, we were both right about the overall predictability of the event haha.

Pretty much. I am completely shocked and pissed off about the lack of a 160GB iPod, so some of the newbies were half right. It does make more sense for Apple to take it out and give a size that is inbetween, but come on!

And the earbuds aren't as good as I thought, still a rip off. $80 and you can only use them for the newer iPods sans the shuffle and iPhone... :mad:

Oh well, makes me want to go and grab the Bose around ear headphones even more.

I may just skip watching the keynote since everything is pretty much what the sensible people predicted, and I can see the iTunes 8 stuff once I download it.

p.s. Kick @$$ that NBC got their retarded @$$E$ back on the iTunes bandwagon. I wonder how much it will cost to get my already purchased Heros episodes converted to HD, or if I have to buy them over again. I would buy them again if need be.

[forgetaboutpro]

I hope it's not true that Apple was begging journalists to the event and telling them it's going to be "a big deal", because to me the announcements are fine, but nothing at all groundbreaking. If they cry wolf too many times, people might stop covering them when it really is a big deal.

I agree with you and get your point - but i somehow think they'll always get the coverage they want!

[CrackedButter]

2.1 update is now out and installing.

[twoodcc]

well can't wait to download and install all this stuff. i just hope nike+ works with the iphone and the old ipod touches

[neologisma]

All I can say, out of everything new with iTunes (content, views, etc), Genius is by far the best thing. It takes a minute to scan through all the music and send it to apple

It's passed 2 hours already and Genius has not scanned half of my library so far...

[Digital Skunk]

I hope it's not true that Apple was begging journalists to the event and telling them it's going to be "a big deal", because to me the announcements are fine, but nothing at all groundbreaking. If they cry wolf too many times, people might stop covering them when it really is a big deal.

I agree somewhat, but I think a lot of people got their panties in a bunch because they wanted it to be something as ground breaking as the iPhone. Not that you thought that way, but a LOT of newbies and fanboys were claiming Steve would have pulled the Holy Grail out of his @$$ during this event and plugged an iPhone 4G into it.

For me, the biggest parts are the new Nano, albeit ugly, the new earbuds, and iTunes getting some much needed HD content and NBC back. Not earth shattering, but well worth an event. As a journalist, I wouldn't have wasted my time, but as an Apple product end user, ever happy to see these things.

[queshy]

Pretty much. I am completely shocked and pissed off about the lack of a 160GB iPod, so some of the newbies were half right. It does make more sense for Apple to take it out and give a size that is inbetween, but come on!

And the earbuds aren't as good as I thought, still a rip off. $80 and you can only use them for the newer iPods sans the shuffle and iPhone... :mad:

Oh well, makes me want to go and grab the Bose around ear headphones even more.

I may just skip watching the keynote since everything is pretty much what the sensible people predicted, and I can see the iTunes 8 stuff once I download it.

p.s. Kick @$$ that NBC got their retarded @$$E$ back on the iTunes bandwagon. I wonder how much it will cost to get my already purchased Heros episodes converted to HD, or if I have to buy them over again. I would buy them again if need be.

Sorry you are disappointed, Digital Skunk.

More things will come...don't worry.

I'm watching the keynote now...pretty boring, nothing that we didn't already know.

Is this the first time Apple actually took out a higher capacity model in exchange for a smaller one? I couldn't believe it when I saw it. Why would they do that? They should have put the 160 at the price of the old 80, and then put a 240 or something at the price of the 160 (or just discontinued the 80 and kept the 160 as the only model). Weird.

[canadan]

Great, I don't wanna buy anything now. No 64 gig iPod Touch so that's out of the question until next year I guess. I can't even buy the frigin' in-ear earphones since they're not really compatible with my iPhone or my 1st generation iPod Touch except for audio :( Come on Apple, either make them compatible for the iPhone or release and in-ear version for the iPhone asap. I hate the ones that come with the phone.

[wbrown1]

Just successfully installed new 2.1 iPod touch software!!

[MacGohil]

It's passed 2 hours already and Genius has not scanned half of my library so far...

Something fishy there! Its just sending metadata files to iTunes which has your playcount and stuff not ur whole library. Should not take that long.

Force Quit Itunes and try Genius again. All the best!

[Digital Skunk]

Is this the first time Apple actually took out a higher capacity model in exchange for a smaller one? I couldn't believe it when I saw it. Why would they do that? They should have put the 160 at the price of the old 80, and then put a 240 or something at the price of the 160 (or just discontinued the 80 and kept the 160 as the only model). Weird.

Not too upset, just with the earbuds and the missing 160 (that I already have, so not too upset).

I was surprised too, but when you think about it, $349 is a lot to pay for an iPod that some users (with a small amount of music and video) can't comprehend owning. For Apple to make not only a thicker case, and order bigger HDDs, for TWO color models that probably weren't selling like hotcakes must have been hard.

Getting rid of the 160 and putting in the same size 120GB HDD as the 80 probably looked pretty good for Apple. I don't believe the "one size fits all" hype/marketing, but I guess there are going to be a lot of people grabbing refurbed 160GBs now. And I may pick up a second one myself.

When there's a 240GB HDD I do hope Apple sticks it in an iPod. I know they have been announced for next year, but I don't know if they are actually around for wholesale purchasing yet.

Hope the software for the new earbuds gets handed down to us diehard 160GB Classic fans, and hope the newbies/fan-people don't try to over justify the disappearance of that same 160.

[macUser2007]

so, what was the big deal here?

The whole thing was hyped too much, so while the updates are O.K., it left me with a distinct feeling of BLEH. Move on.

[ltldrummerboy]

What about iPod games on the nano? I love Phase and would hate to see it go. I still like the chubby ones better.

Of note, iTunes now deletes old versions of iTunes apps when they update.

[diamond3]

It's passed 2 hours already and Genius has not scanned half of my library so far...

How many songs do you have? I have just under 9000 and it took maybe 5 minutes at the most. Is all of your music entered in correctly so iTMS can pull it up on the ministore thing? I don't know if it matters, but its a possibility.


ALSO side note, in iTunes with the List view, How do you remove the genre option on the browse feature. It use to just be iTunes->preferences-->general tab where you could uncheck it. I'm not seeing it though.

[mneblett]

WHY!?!? They are so awesome, but I just wish they'd work as replacements for the ones that came with my iPhone. Now I'm forced to look for third party in-ear headphones that have a mic for talking on the phone...DOH!I'm pretty happy with my set from Griffin which I use with my 3G iPhone -- black, with mic and click-button like Apple's.

[anti-microsoft]

iTunes 8 crashed for me on my iBook :(

Of course, I was trying to drag an image from Firefox onto the Grid View of iTunes in order to try and set the album art for an album with it (AC/DC, get on iTunes dammit!), but I wasn't expecting it to crash and burn.

Haha! I say the same to myself! in the Genius Sidebar, AC/DC and The Beatles are the only ones that can't be recomended from because they're not in the iTunes store!

[forgetaboutpro]

ALSO side note, in iTunes with the List view, How do you remove the genre option on the browse feature. It use to just be iTunes->preferences-->general tab where you could uncheck it. I'm not seeing it though.

I also can't find an option to uncheck 'show links to itunes music store'. Anyone found this? It's always been a gripe of mine! :)

[ratattak]

I wonder why ipod touch users get the 2.1 update today and iphone users have to wait til Friday?

did i miss the reason? ehh, either way, i hope this will take us back to 1.1.4 performance, which i dearly miss.

[Desamell]

downloading 2.1

[LaDirection]

So, the shuffles are back at being the previous color, the nanos the same kind of form factor... Apple really goofed on their previous iPod updates :p

[anti-microsoft]

So, the shuffles are back at being the previous color, the nanos the same kind of form factor... Apple really goofed on their previous iPod updates :p

They must have had more sales with the previous designs/colours!

[bobertoq]

which one would you buy??? 16GB Nano or 8gig iPod TouchI have no idea. It's such a hard choice :confused:

[Orlandooo]

What about iPod games on the nano? I love Phase and would hate to see it go. I still like the chubby ones better.

Of note, iTunes now deletes old versions of iTunes apps when they update.

I updated Brain Tuner Lite and lost my fastest time on 20 problems of 11.1 seconds :/ i'm stuck at 12 now. SAD TIMES

[Orlandooo]

They must have had more sales with the previous designs/colours!

It's possible this shape made it easier to make it so thin, have accelerometer or something!

I really want one. Shame there's no point if you have a 16Gb iPhone :(

[danny_w]

I have no idea. It's such a hard choice :confused:
Nano definitely. I don't like the touch i/f for music; I don't use my iPhone for music either (but also partly b/c it drains the battery in no time).

[danny_w]

It's possible this shape made it easier to make it so thin, have accelerometer or something!

I really want one. Shame there's no point if you have a 16Gb iPhone :(
There's a huge point. I hate the touch i/f for music, and my iPhone dies in 3-4 hours if I play music on it (totally unacceptable).

[MartiNZ]

I also can't find an option to uncheck 'show links to itunes music store'. Anyone found this? It's always been a gripe of mine! :)

Yes I always hate it when we lose options with updates. Like when Stacks were introduced with Leopard. Maybe this and getting rid of genre with browsing can be done again via command line? Would be nice.

Other than that, I don't foresee iTunes 8 changing much for me. Not really interested in the genius thing; trying to like the grid view, but it's really difficult to - there just doesn't seem to be a way to work with it that makes good sense to me. If it did a popup thing like the iPhone does - flip over the CD cover or so, that would be nice, but constantly switching views from grid to list and having more steps to access other music seems silly. Plus with sort by artist in grid view, it doesn't play the album you hover over in the image flow but the first one in the list.

It has also put iTunes over the 100MB mark for the first time, I think. Impressive for a music player :).

New headphones sound promising but pricey. The iPhone ones drive me crazy with their rubbery cord that just insists on twisting the buds out of my ears, even after two months of use! If they gain compatibility with the iPhone and get good feedback ... we'll see.

For the new iPods, I think the nanos look really nice, and yellow and orange are pretty exciting additions to the mix. The revert in form factor from 3rd gen is a bit of a surprise though. Not-so-nano-now!

[philamac]

i'm no pro at reading those frequency response charts, but do those new headphones look a little bass heavy to anyone? Some people like it bass heavy, so better for them, but I tend to prefer balance. At any rate, I hope it's better than the in-ear trash that Bose and Shure are trying to rip people off with at $129 and $99, respectively.

[edit] just to clarify, i'm sure the more expensive Shures sound good, but those cheapo ones you can get from AT&T stores and such for about $99 are garbage. As for what I think about BOSE? I think the only thing outstanding about BOSE is their marketing division.

BTW, I noticed on the apple site, that the iPhone (1st & 2nd gen) is missing from the compatibility list. Why would these NOT work for the iPhone?? weird.

[askthedust]

the touch is still more expensive than iphone. I'm going iPhone now bye ipods.

that's what I did. never looked back.

[gcmexico]

I think the new nano's look cool...might have to get one!

[PCMacUser]

The Genius feature in iTunes 8 works extremely well.

I'm impressed.

I hope they release the new Classic firmware with Genius for my 80Gb model.

[sharkinfested]

*sigh* I’m still bummed that there wasn’t a tablet offered… But someone wrote something about hoping to see a Mac Tablet/PDA and then it hit me – The iPod Touch IS a PDA. I mean, it has all those apps so it can do just what my Tapwave Zodiac does. Apple just went about it in the opposite direction taking an MP3 player and giving it productivity apps instead of taking a PDA and giving it apps so it can play movies and music – so the iTablet is here they just call it an iPod Touch.

Of course I want a tablet based on their OS X operating system… hopefully that will come another day.

[Marky_Mark]

if i were too choose a color for the nano i'd be stuck between red and orange

Only one way to go, and that's Stealth Black :cool:

Black on black, with black accents.

[clu10]

i see what the mean by rainbow ipods, and...................
BUYAH, I TOLD YOU I WAS RIGHT
smirks and laugh at those who called me an idoit

[PCMacUser]

i see what the mean by rainbow ipods, and...................
BUYAH, I TOLD YOU I WAS RIGHT
smirks and laugh at those who called me an idoit

LOL, 'idoit'?

Idiot...

[imac abuser]

WHAT THE HECK DID THEY DO AWAY WITH THE 160GB CLASSIC FOR thank god I have one. I was expecting a 200gb one not a drop in gb for the same price did jobs get some deals on crappy smaller hard drives

[neologisma]

Something fishy there! Its just sending metadata files to iTunes which has your playcount and stuff not ur whole library. Should not take that long.

Force Quit Itunes and try Genius again. All the best!

Thank you all fellas! Something was wrong indeed! I've tried again and the whole thing didn't last more than 20 minutes. Despite the keynote today, Genius is friggin good so far! iTunes was in a real need for such device :D

[Wolffie]

Everyone has read where the headphones extra features just work on iPod Nano G4 and iPod Touch G2... no other product has the correct four layer female headphone jack...right?

[louden]

Anyone know if/when the new iPods (the 32 GB touch) will be available at Best Buy? I've got a few hundred and gift cards, and would like to pick up a new touch - if only to test dev work on the touch platform...

[danny_w]

Everyone has read where the headphones extra features just work on iPod Nano G4 and iPod Touch G2... no other product has the correct four layer female headphone jack...right?
The iPhone (1st gen and I presume 3G) has a 4-layer plug. It must be something else.

[juswest]

WHAT THE HECK DID THEY DO AWAY WITH THE 160GB CLASSIC FOR thank god I have one. I was expecting a 200gb one not a drop in gb for the same price did jobs get some deals on crappy smaller hard drives

From watching the video. it seems like people weren't buying the 160 gig enough to keep it on.

[andrewjnyc]

Does the new Touch come with the new headphones? None of the reports from the event seem to answer this question one way or the other.

[Richard.John]

Colour matched headphones for the Nano would be fantastic. iPod white has been seemingly dropped anyway so why not?

[RQPS]

Does anyone know if you can remove the Genre column from the browser in itunes8?

[supmango]

According to the spec page, no mention of iPhone compatibility, unfortunately:

"The remote and mic are supported only by iPod nano (4th generation), iPod classic (120GB), and iPod touch (2nd generation). Audio is supported by all iPod models."

http://www.apple.com/ipod/inearheadphones/

This does not even make sense. Why would they not be able to support this hardware on the iPhone. The software is almost identical. I read the link and I don't disagree, it just doesnt make sense.

[QuarterSwede]

After trying out the genius feature I can say that it is, indeed, ace. I am surprised at how well it actually works. The songs in the playlists it creates just seem to go together. Love it!

[ltldrummerboy]

Does anyone know if you can remove the Genre column from the browser in itunes8?

You can't in the preferences, but here's (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20080909142500257) a way to do it via Terminal.

[Wolffie]

Does the new Touch come with the new headphones? None of the reports from the event seem to answer this question one way or the other.

Sorry, but the new described headphones (both) are additional accessories, coming in October.
Like the iPhone 3G dock.

[Wolffie]

This does not even make sense. Why would they not be able to support this hardware on the iPhone. The software is almost identical. I read the link and I don't disagree, it just doesnt make sense.

It's simply different hardware... another reason to upgrade to the new iPhone next year/ season.

[DaveTheGrey]

This was the best keynote for a long time! Hope the will continue to improve in the future!

[nonns]

I have a fairly large music collection around 90GB at 320kbps (all legit). I was holding on for an 80gb ipod touch. I can't be faffed to endlesly have to rejig playlists etc to get what I want on a PMP.

Having watched the keynote I must confess I was dissapointed.
a) It seems to be a triumph of marketing over substance. The new Ipod touch might be thinner (cmon guys how much thinner do you need. Is 5mm to 3 mm (or the illusion of 3 mm that much of a deal and BTW the measurments Ive put here are simply to illustrate a point. You're simply going from tiny to tinier).
b) Is having your ipod in yellow rather than white silver or black really a major technological breakthrough?
c) More capacity in the Ipod touch would have been more useful. Give us an 80gb or a 120gb touch.
d) No tablet.
e) No new macs or mac books.
f) The only new thing is some new software to try and extreact yet more cash from us all which is sexy for Apple but doesn't add much value if your ipod is already full.

It seems to me that either Apple are temporarily out of ideas and simply wanted a refresh for Xmas or
They've simply run out of ideas or
They've got something else in the wings.

Whilst I'm only one person I must confess I find myself in the position now that I am looking around to see if anyone else has anything better. I'm not prepared to spend $299 (I'm sure it'll be £299 here) on a 32GB pmp.

My summary

Pretty boring really.
It opens up the doors to others to catch up unless this was specifically to tempt other manufacturers into releasing their product lines (Cunning tactics) before Apple drops something really special on us all.
I can't believe this will maintain Apple's market share. I would expect a small drop in market share unless of course the competition fails to step up to the plate. :(

[conte]

Has anybody mentioned yet, that the shake to shuffle feature was introduced by Sony for their Walkman phones more than a year ago?

[nonns]

The only thing I was impressed with :-<

It made me laugh (a minor but cool feature) . As per the lifespan of an empire perhaps Apple has become mature (past its peak). These certainly don't seem like the releases of a company that came out with the Apple 2/Lisa/Mac/Ipod.

Hey ho perhaps things will get better.

[mattydodgy]

Will the Shake to Shuffle and the Genius feature work with the iPhone 3G 2.1 update on Friday?! x

[wonderbread57]

If Apple doesn't get on this mythical tablet device and release it during or before Q1 2009 I am going to revolt and sell everything Apple that I own.

[nonns]

If Apple doesn't get on this mythical tablet device and release it during or before Q1 2009 I am going to revolt and sell everything Apple that I own.

Does that mean that you've "volt"ed before?

but surely revolting is a bit extreme.

I'm dissapointed but then I've always been stuck in the (dare I say it) Windows camp. I bought Ipods cos I liked them and cos there was nothing better. I liked the Apple Newton and am committed to PDA's. I use Windows Mobile 6.1 which I find clunky but I can add apps and there is nothing for the iphone yet to matc the apps I've got (and the aftermarket for apps for Windows Mobile 6.1 is currently far better than that for the Iphone). I look over my shoulder at the Iphone and I like it. I love the interface but the hardware isn't sufficient to tempt me away from Windows mobile. This is the first ipod release which I haven't been remotely impressed with. I will not buiy any of the newest generation Ipods. Indeed having looked at the Creative Xen X-Fi I am considering buying a 32GB version with a 16GB SD HC card which will give me a larger capacity than the Ipod Touch in a small device. I'm not sure I understand what Apple is playing at. I carry all my music aroudn so that I have a choice. I need around 90GB just for music. Then if I had video etc it all adds up.

[Pikemann Urge]

WHAT THE HECK DID THEY DO AWAY WITH THE 160GB CLASSIC FOR thank god I have one.
Because Toshiba's new platters hold more data. The Classic is now single platter only but when the double platter (240GB) drives are ready the Classic will have two versions again. So they say.

It would not make sense to have a single platter model at 120GB and a double platter at merely 160GB. Not enough difference.

[big_malk]

If Apple doesn't get on this mythical tablet device and release it during or before Q1 2009 I am going to revolt and sell everything Apple that I own.

If your selling for good prices, PM me when the time comes :D

[dwardin9]

Apple releases new earbuds that are supposedly only compatible with 4th gen nano, 120 gb ipod classic and 2.1 touch. NOT the iphone?! Way to stick it to the 3g adopters. "Hey john mayer here, saying that i want a refund for my dissapointment...just kidding apple."

:rolleyes:

[mackmgg]

I just bought a new Nano 4 weeks ago. :mad:

I just bought a touch 4 wks ago, but when I called up apple the guy was understanding and scheduled for a return

only downside is i payed 210 im gettin 190 (10% restock)

[wonderbread57]

Does that mean that you've "volt"ed before?

but surely revolting is a bit extreme.

I'm dissapointed but then I've always been stuck in the (dare I say it) Windows camp. I bought Ipods cos I liked them and cos there was nothing better. I liked the Apple Newton and am committed to PDA's. I use Windows Mobile 6.1 which I find clunky but I can add apps and there is nothing for the iphone yet to matc the apps I've got (and the aftermarket for apps for Windows Mobile 6.1 is currently far better than that for the Iphone). I look over my shoulder at the Iphone and I like it. I love the interface but the hardware isn't sufficient to tempt me away from Windows mobile. This is the first ipod release which I haven't been remotely impressed with. I will not buiy any of the newest generation Ipods. Indeed having looked at the Creative Xen X-Fi I am considering buying a 32GB version with a 16GB SD HC card which will give me a larger capacity than the Ipod Touch in a small device. I'm not sure I understand what Apple is playing at. I carry all my music aroudn so that I have a choice. I need around 90GB just for music. Then if I had video etc it all adds up.

We are in similar camps. My first PDA experience was with a young lady in Denver... er it was with the ipaq 5455 or something. Since this is a rumors forum it is all about speculation and feeding on people's hopes. I believe the tablet holds the hope of being that killer Apple device that is just plain stupid for me not to own.

Really strange that Apple would make such a big deal of this event, telling media to cover it etc, and not introduce anything new.

[captain kaos]

WHY!?!? They are so awesome, but I just wish they'd work as replacements for the ones that came with my iPhone. Now I'm forced to look for third party in-ear headphones that have a mic for talking on the phone...DOH!

Shure do nice headphones and they also have a mic adapter option. Im using it on my iphone and its great for chatting on, plus you have the much better sound quality from shure!

[scotty96LSC]

With new ear phones being introduced, is a new mouse on the horizon as well????

[zedsdead]

With new ear phones being introduced, is a new mouse on the horizon as well????

Hopefully...but for some stupid reason, it will probably still be white.

[OrangeCuse44]

Is it me or do those photos make the fatty look like it has a bigger screen than the new nanos? Wasn't improving the screen the reason for making it longer again?

[Pooshka]

Could someone, please, kindly explain to me WHY iPod nano, iPod classic or iPod touch would ever need a mic in the new Apple in-ear headphones...:confused:

[ericinboston]

:mad:

So a few random points about Apple's lame show/announcement yesterday:

1)They needed 1 hour and live coverage of this event to introduce a few minor features to 2 iPods? I bet the reporters are wondering why they were begged to attend. I bet the audience wondered why they paid admission and/or even attended.

2)The Nano update added really 1 feature, the accelerator thingy that if you shake it will make it shuffle. Nice idea, too bad Apple didn't come up with it...it's been around for over a year with some cell phones being shaken to tell you how much batter life is left. Moreover, is such a feature even necessary? Is it that hard to use your fingers or use their new over-priced headphones that control a few functions? It's cool, but adding significant size jumps would have been better (in addition to essentially bringing back the older style which I like).

3)The Nano update to 16gig was the biggest flop (next to the Classic and iTouch which I will rant on next). That's it? 16gig? I've been waiting for some type of flash device from Apple that is 32gig, 64gig, or larger for over a year now. Sure, I can still buy the old $499 32gig iTouch or the new $399 iTouch but those are overpriced for a MUSIC FAN.

4)On to the Classic...so they killed the 160 and 80 and made a 120g. Ok. That's it. Lovely. With the physical size of the Classic they couldn't have made it flash at 120g? Sure they could have...I can buy 32gig Flash sticks for $45...and that's RETAIL...if Apple bought 100,000 of those or more to stuff 64gig or 128gig in the Classic, surely Apple's price would have been much lower than $45. Yes, I know there are technical differences between all flash media but let's not get into the weeds and nanoseconds. So all Apple did was make it 120g and drop the price a bit (which in effect is the same price).

4a)I think Apple has a feeling that the Classic does not sell well...well, it's probably because it's still the heaviest iPod, it's hard-disk which is not as fast as the flash based iPods, and the battery doesn't really last that long. Apple probably thinks it doesn't sell well "because who needs 160gigs?". I do! And others do! It's because I have a large music collection. It's also because other's out there may have large VIDEO collections.

5)Moving on to the iTouch (which is what I really wanted to buy after the announcement), what a totally lame update. I can play some buggy games? Boy, sign me up. Apple didn't increase the memory size (and they have plenty of physical space to do so) but did drop the price a bit.



Apple seems to be having an identity crisis with the iPod line. Over the past few generations, names have changed often (iPod, iPod Video, iPod Classic), some (iTouch) are seemingly trying to become gaming devices, some (Nano) radically change shape every generation.

My biggest beef is that there were no sizeable increases in memory storage. Apple touts being able to play all your wonderful music and videos (oh, and now games) on your iPod _____ but the sizes are barely enough to do any of that.

I own (yes, own) over 2000 cds. All ripped I have just under 20,000 192k mp3s. I know I am the minority here, but that eats up about 120gigs. Sure, I don't listen to every single song, but I also DO NOT WATCH videos. Therefore, if you were to give my 160gig Classic to an average MUSIC fan but an ABOVE average VIDEO fan, that fan is going to fill the unit more with video.

I was hoping to see:

-iTouch go to 64gig or larger (I would have stood in line the next day to buy)
-Classic to go Flash at 100gig or larger (would have raced to the store)
-Nano to go to 32gig (might have gotten one as a 2nd iPod just for fun)


Now I guess I have to wait (and pray) until March or so (it's been over a year since the iPod family were last updated).


Was anyone else as bored with yesterdays announcement as me?

-Eric

[johnmcboston]

With new ear phones being introduced, is a new mouse on the horizon as well????

ummm. what would one have to do with the other???

[johnmcboston]

-Classic to go Flash at 100gig or larger (would have raced to the store)


You'll have to explain that. You complain that the classic doesn't have enough space with only a 120G model (I agree), but then say you'd rush to buy one with only 100GB if it were flash????

[Digital Skunk]

.....

Classic's battery lasts quite long.

iPod Classic will NEVER have flash until 1.8" SSDs surpass the size of HDDs.

Do research into why the flash on the iPods is different from the crappy flash cards you get for $45 and why they are too big to stick in an iPod Touch.

The long post you wrote makes little sense. I understand your frustration, but there is little sense made in the post.

I personally am hoping that more of the update come from the background of iTunes. Glad that NBC retards came back to iTunes, and hope to see more music as iTunes plus so I can upgrade. Also hope there's a way to upgrade my current TV show collection to HD.

[zedsdead]

Classic's battery lasts quite long.

I personally am hoping that more of the update come from the background of iTunes. Glad that NBC retards came back to iTunes, and hope to see more music as iTunes plus so I can upgrade. Also hope there's a way to upgrade my current TV show collection to HD.

I agree. Apple needs to offer an upgrade path to HD TV Shows like they did with iTunes Plus.

iTunes Plus also needs to be standard across the board. Time for Apple to demand it and throw their weight around considering they are the #1 retailer in the US.

[ericinboston]

Classic's battery lasts quite long.

iPod Classic will NEVER have flash until 1.8" SSDs surpass the size of HDDs.

Do research into why the flash on the iPods is different from the crappy flash cards you get for $45 and why they are too big to stick in an iPod Touch.

The long post you wrote makes little sense. I understand your frustration, but there is little sense made in the post.



First, my response does make sense...tell me what you are confused about. What makes little sense to me is Apple's "all over the map" direction for their iPod line. What's next?...the Nano ships with a joystick so I can play a game? Or the iTouch doubles as an insulin tester?

I already stated I didn't want to get down in the weeds of the $45 flash memory. I am not going to. I *HAVE* done my research about these technologies. My example about flash memory was an example.

The battery on the Classic is good if you never touch the darn thing. Sure, it will run for 20+ hours if I just leave it on the desk. But I am an average user where I flip through songs, play an occasional game, turn the volume up/down, watch a 5 minute music video, whatever. The battery life is fair when those factors come in. The flash models have a better battery life in my opinion. I've used my wife's 2nd gen Nano for seemingly days without recharges. No, I do not have specific hard numbers but it seems to be a lot better than my 160g Classic for actually using the device and not plopping it on the counter and letting in play.

Overall Apple should have created iPods with larger storage capacities. The iTouch is 1+ years old and still has the same 32gig. The reason why I said I would race out to get a 100gig flash over the 120gig HDD is because (and I didn't explain then) I will take a nice big flash device any day. Some other posters here said the same things about expecting 60gig flash iPods and we got the shaft. New colors? Yea, that's exciting. How hard was it to pick 3 new colors and spray the cases? Innovative? Worthy of this type of announcement? Nope.

And who's gonna buy these $79 Apple-brand headphones when you can get a killer set for $99 (like Sony or Senheiser)? Nice offering but doubt the majority will buy.

Apple should have either quietly announced these updates or given us some REAL meat at this conference. Apple killed my expectations. I'll take the iPod Classic and iTouch large form factors but want some beefy FLASH storage.

-Eric

[mneblett]

Could someone, please, kindly explain to me WHY iPod nano, iPod classic or iPod touch would ever need a mic in the new Apple in-ear headphones...:confused:According to Stevie at yesterday's presentation, there's a voice notes app in the device - ergo, a need for an input means.

[chillywilly]

I agree. Apple needs to offer an upgrade path to HD TV Shows like they did with iTunes Plus.

iTunes Plus also needs to be standard across the board. Time for Apple to demand it and throw their weight around considering they are the #1 retailer in the US.

I think getting rid of all DRM for everything would be nice, but as for video, that's not going to happen anytime soon. Music may be possible. Apple really needs to compete with Amazon.

[Digital Skunk]

First, my response does make sense...tell me what you are confused about. What makes little sense to me is Apple's "all over the map" direction for their iPod line. What's next?...the Nano ships with a joystick so I can play a game? Or the iTouch doubles as an insulin tester?

I agree. I don't want the iPod to ever loose that original purpose of being a music player, then a media player, then a light game player. I don't need joysticks and accelerometers at all.

I already stated I didn't want to get down in the weeds of the $45 flash memory. I am not going to. I *HAVE* done my research about these technologies. My example about flash memory was an example.

It was a reasonable example, but when you look at what the tech industry has on the market currently Apple nor any other company is able to make a reasonable cost flash based player with more than 32GB of RAM that functions like the Touch does. The single (socket) 32GB chip at the iPod Touch/iPhone size hasn't been put to market just yet.

The battery on the Classic is good if you never touch the darn thing. Sure, it will run for 20+ hours if I just leave it on the desk. But I am an average user where I flip through songs, play an occasional game, turn the volume up/down, watch a 5 minute music video, whatever. The battery life is fair when those factors come in. The flash models have a better battery life in my opinion. I've used my wife's 2nd gen Nano for seemingly days without recharges. No, I do not have specific hard numbers but it seems to be a lot better than my 160g Classic for actually using the device and not plopping it on the counter and letting in play.

Trust me, we use if that way too, and I can go weeks without charging. I watch movies on mine constantly, and at my tedious newspaper job I do nothing for HOURS while I wait for photos to come through. It's actually been about three weeks since I put my Pod on the charger and it's about half way down, and I have gotten through Pursuit of Happiness and Touristas and the first episode of HBO's Rome, and a few good ole fashion games.

As for comparing the video playing, HDD toting 160GB classic to the 2nd Gen Nano, that's just not fair. Of course the Nano is going to go longer since it does half as much.

Overall Apple should have created iPods with larger storage capacities. The iTouch is 1+ years old and still has the same 32gig. The reason why I said I would race out to get a 100gig flash over the 120gig HDD is because (and I didn't explain then) I will take a nice big flash device any day. Some other posters here said the same things about expecting 60gig flash iPods and we got the shaft. New colors? Yea, that's exciting. How hard was it to pick 3 new colors and spray the cases? Innovative? Worthy of this type of announcement? Nope.

As many have said, when the chips become available en mass and the cost is right Apple will give us what we want. At least they lowered the price of the 32GB model. As far as Classics getting flash is concerned, forget about it, keep it Classic, give me a 500GB 1.8" HDD based Classic in three years. I do a LOT of video watching, and nothing can hold my video library save for the 160GB Classic, and now that NBC is back, I may need an even bigger player.

Other posters are I.G.N.O.R.A.N.T. when it comes to what most want. If they want a 60GB flash iPod Classic for $550 that holds their puny emo music library and corny YouTube porn video have at it. But the rest of us will take the still very perfect HDD. Sucks that Apple killed off the 160GB, but they had their reasons, and i can understand them. I will be picking up another 160GB Classic though, just in case.

And who's gonna buy these $79 Apple-brand headphones when you can get a killer set for $99 (like Sony or Sennheiser)? Nice offering but doubt the majority will buy.

Apple should have either quietly announced these updates or given us some REAL meat at this conference. Apple killed my expectations. I'll take the iPod Classic and iTouch large form factors but want some beefy FLASH storage.

-Eric

Yes, Apple branded headphones will always suck and crap out. Then again, anything smaller than the Bose on ear will suck in my opinion and anything less than $150 isn't worth sticking in my ears now that I have tasted the goodness of the Dre's.

I think Apple shouldn't have made a big deal out of the announcement, and in all reality I think they should have spent their time working on iTunes, and giving us more and better content to stick on our already adequate players.

[Clayne]

I would pay an extra $100 for 64 gigs. That should cover cost.


The problem is: I don't know how many OTHER people would be willing to pay as much. And that's what Apple's concerned about.

[ericinboston]

I would pay an extra $100 for 64 gigs. That should cover cost.


The problem is: I don't know how many OTHER people would be willing to pay as much. And that's what Apple's concerned about.

I agree...if the 16gig Nano is $199, I would ****GLADLY*** pay $299 or $349 (maybe even $399) for a 64gig. Again, the iPod started off as a music player, slowly melded into media, and now is going to games and phones. Gimme my stupid music player please with a nice big Flash drive(s).

Or...

Take the $399 iTouch 32gig (with all sorts of other bells and whistles I do not need), stuff another 32gig chip (or 2 more 16s) and add $100 or so to get it to 64gig.

Maybe this will happen within 6 months.

[mstur]

What I miss in all the announcements:

The iPod touch 2G now has 480p and 576p video !
The old iPod touch had 480i, and the nano and classic had 480p.

Thus, the new iPod touch is now perfect as a mobile video player, to be used with iTunes movies and all new HD ready TVs or beamers !!

I have been using a Nano 3G with my Optima Movietime DV10, which has a 480p beamer. Almost no DVD was as good as the iPod with its 480p output !

And now the iPod touch even goes up to 576p !! Time to get a new beamer ...

[Clayne]

I agree...if the 16gig Nano is $199, I would ****GLADLY*** pay $299 or $349 (maybe even $399) for a 64gig. Again, the iPod started off as a music player, slowly melded into media, and now is going to games and phones. Gimme my stupid music player please with a nice big Flash drive(s).

Or...

Take the $399 iTouch 32gig (with all sorts of other bells and whistles I do not need), stuff another 32gig chip (or 2 more 16s) and add $100 or so to get it to 64gig.

Maybe this will happen within 6 months.

I was personally talking about the touch. And it would have to be two 32 gig chips, which are expensive - but $100 should MORE than cover it.

[momoe]

I am getting nothing but beachballs with iTunes 8... won't sync with my iPhone (keeps trying to do a full backup - 2x in one day?).

I even deleted iTunes 8 and the plist and did a full install... no difference! :mad:

Plus - they removed the "MUTE" option from the dock pop-up menuin iTunes 8.0!... I used it all the time to briefly listen to something else, like a YouTube video or new song sent to me, while maintaining a connection with a radio stream.

momoe :apple:

[BillyBobBongo]

From watching the video. it seems like people weren't buying the 160 gig enough to keep it on.

I wonder where Apple get their figures from...I know 5 people that picked up a 160GB model last week alone.

When it comes to iPods....it's all about storage!

[nonns]

The touch is aimed at video and music content. It encourages video content. Why not actually make it useful by making it (shock horror) slightly fatter and shoving a 160GB or 240GB HD in it. Give it a decent e-book reader. Make the edges sculpted and curvy so it looks thinner than it actually is. Give us a replaceable battery (though this wouldn't be a killer for me. I for one would be there the day it was announced harranging Apple to get it in the stores.

I can't believe I'm the only person who wants this. I can't believe I'm the only person who is happy to accept slightly more bulk for far greater functionality.

Hey ho I guess I can whistle for it...

[iPastor]

I stopped by Apple Store today in Norfolk, VA. They were putting out the 8GB Nano. I say the colors look nice, and the Nano felt great in my hand. I found it to be almost perfect. I like it better than the Nano Fat.

Color choices are awesome and make it hard to choose.

[C-Dubs]

Comparing Genius mode to Pandora makes the effort Pandora is putting into their project seem fruitless- Pandora's guys and gals actually take apart songs and assign them a genetic code, spending about 20-30 minutes on each tune... all Genius does is take collective information and then offer you your own music back... oh, and look! You can buy more music that might be like it!

I wish Apple would just take over Pandora and help them with their undertaking.

[Memzee]

Since Pandora is only available in the States, Genius playlists is something I've been looking for!

Although Last.fm is also good..

[neilford]

Re: new apple ear buds
I think you guys are jumping the gun a little with your anger:o At this point, I can't see any reason why they wouldn't work with either iPhone. I think the compatibility issues will be with older gen ipods.

neilfiord