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IJ Reilly
Jan 18, 2004, 10:50 PM
Ok, so I thought the hemp legalization advocates were all basically weirdoes and burned out hippies. Then I read this article. It turns out, most of the hemp weirdoes are in the DEA.

A long article, but really worth a read.

As a Recreational Drug, Industrial Hemp Packs the Same Wallop as Zucchini. So Why Does the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency Continue to Deny America This Potent Resource? Call It Reefer Madness.

By Lee Green, Special to The Times

On an otherwise unremarkable day nearly 30 years ago, in a San Fernando Valley head shop, an ordinary man on LSD had an epiphany. The one thing that could save the world, it came to him, was hemp.

Thunderbolts come cheap on LSD, but this one looked good to Jack Herer even after his head cleared. The world needed relief from its addiction to oil and petrochemicals. From deforestation and malnutrition. From dirty fuels, sooty air, exhausted soils and pesticides. The extraordinary hemp plant could solve all those problems. Herer was sure of it. Thus began his journey as a heralding prophet.

For 12 years, Herer expanded his knowledge of hemp, burrowing deep into U.S. government archives and writing about his discoveries in alternative newspapers and magazines. He self-published "The Emperor Wears No Clothes," an impassioned rant for the utilitarian virtues of cannabis sativa, the ancient species that gives us both hemp and marijuana, which are genetically distinct. Experts agree that in contrast to marijuana, cannabis hemp—or industrial hemp as it is often called—has no drug characteristics.

Herer's book, quirky but substantive enough to be taken seriously, inspired thousands and became an underground classic. The author has issued 16 printings over the years, revising and updating his material 11 times. Today, Herer is widely credited with launching the modern hemp movement, a persistent campaign by an eclectic coalition of environmentalists, legislators, rights activists, farmers, scientists, entrepreneurs and others to end the maligned plant's banishment and tap its potential as a natural resource.

Despite the book's over-the-top exuberance and occasional leaps of syllogistic fancy—or more likely because of them—it has sold 665,000 copies in seven languages. Or is it 635,000 copies in eight languages? The prophet isn't sure as he pads across the abused gray carpet of his two-bedroom Van Nuys apartment, a flower-child domicile to which the benefits of even the most rudimentary housekeeping remain foreign. Beard unkempt, hair askew, Herer matches the décor. "How can they make the one thing that can save the world illegal?" he asks, no less astonished by this paradox now than he was three decades ago.

Herer's question is essentially the same one hemp advocates in the U.S. have been asking with mounting consternation for the past decade. They are asking it now with new urgency in response to the Drug Enforcement Agency's latest foray against hemp, an attempt since 2001 to ban all food products containing even a trace of hemp, even though the foods are not psychoactive. The California-based Hemp Industries Assn. and seven companies that make or sell hemp products won a reprieve for the industry in June, when the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled the DEA's efforts "procedurally invalid." But the matter remains in litigation, and the hemp issue continues to confound policymakers.

http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-hemp03jan18,1,1658290.story



Thanatoast
Jan 19, 2004, 04:45 AM
The government's not against hemp. It's against the perceived threat to authority its use represents.

IJ Reilly
Jan 19, 2004, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Thanatoast
The government's not against hemp. It's against the perceived threat to authority its use represents.
What threat is that, exactly? This seems to me to be a sort of worst case example of inertia. "There's no reason, it's just our policy," as the old bureaucratic joke goes.

Thanatoast
Jan 19, 2004, 12:46 PM
I read somewhere that legalization of hemp usually leads to legalization of medical marijuana. (Something like this has happened in several other nations, apparently) And if we legalize medical marijuana, then people will start to wonder what's wrong with any kind of marijuana. And if the people no longer believe weed is produced by Satan to destroy their lives (because all pot-heads become crack addicts who knock over 7-11s, you know) then they may start smoking it. And then civilization falls and anarchy rules. So really, the DEA is just looking out for us. ;)

It's the old slippery slope argument, and it conveniently ignores the fact that no one (I know, at least) believes what the government says about marijuana anyway.

They are afraid of losing their death-grip on the minds of the citizens. If hemp is "okay", then they believe uncomfortable questions arise about marijuana. Which just says to me that maybe the uncomfortable quesitons already exist.

IJ Reilly
Jan 19, 2004, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Thanatoast
I read somewhere that legalization of hemp usually leads to legalization of medical marijuana. (Something like this has happened in several other nations, apparently)

According to the article, this is a red herring argument. Hemp is a different species within the same genus as marijuana, and many countries including Canada have figured out how to make a legal distinction between the two. Even as the law stands now, in theory at least, the DEA could allow the cultivation of industrial hemp in the US under a permit, but to date they've denied each and every application. So it isn't even a legalization issue as much as it's an administrative and bureaucratic one.

Another startling factoid in this article is the report that 95% of the "marijuana" eradicated by the DEA is in fact "ditch weed," aka non-narcotic hemp. So in effect the DEA currently spends millions of taxpayer dollars every year on pulling harmless weeds.

amateurmacfreak
Jun 4, 2006, 06:04 PM
Another startling factoid in this article is the report that 95% of the "marijuana" eradicated by the DEA is in fact "ditch weed," aka non-narcotic hemp. So in effect the DEA currently spends millions of taxpayer dollars every year on pulling harmless weeds.
Sure.... it's really maddening that they spend SO much money to pull out things that aren't drugs.
I'm really sorry I'm reawakening this thread if it bothers people, but I was going to start a thread on hemp and decided it would be better to wake this one up than to repost.
I was in a hemp store today (http://www.santafehemp.com/) and started getting sorta mad again about hemp not being legal to grow in the US.... no one could ever get high off hemp, and the economic and environmental benefits would be huge.
Well, I guess the US is too afraid about it looking too much like marijuana.... in my opinion the benefits far outweigh any bad things that could come from it.
Thoughts?

stubeeef
Jun 4, 2006, 06:23 PM
Lazarus?

elfin buddy
Jun 4, 2006, 07:11 PM
Whoa, hold on a second...colour-me-stupid, but do you mean to say that hemp and hemp products are 100% entirely outlawed in the US??

Hemp things are just so common here in Canada, I find that hard to fathom. Or, am I missing something? :confused: :confused: :confused:

skunk
Jun 4, 2006, 07:13 PM
Whoa, hold on a second...colour-me-stupid, but do you mean to say that hemp and hemp products are 100% entirely outlawed in the US??

Hemp things are just so common here in Canada, I find that hard to fathom. Or, am I missing something? :confused: :confused: :confused:As far as I know, the only legal hemp plantations in the US are maintained by the government for production of rope in time of war.

elfin buddy
Jun 4, 2006, 07:17 PM
As far as I know, the only legal hemp plantations in the US are maintained by the government for production of rope in time of war.

Sweet frig! That's ridiculous! I'm not even a tree-hugger but hemp is still a staple of my life.

Wow, culture shock. I wonder if I'd get arrested on drug trafficking if I brought my hemp wallet into the States...

...Actually, I've already done that a few years ago :o Whew, barely got away with that one!

iTwitch
Jun 4, 2006, 07:26 PM
Sweet frig! That's ridiculous! I'm not even a tree-hugger but hemp is still a staple of my life.

Wow, culture shock. I wonder if I'd get arrested on drug trafficking if I brought my hemp wallet into the States...

...Actually, I've already done that a few years ago :o Whew, barely got away with that one!

Probably not? But you may get your ass gnawled by a dog. :eek:

skunk
Jun 4, 2006, 07:29 PM
gnawledSounds nasty.

elfin buddy
Jun 4, 2006, 07:40 PM
gnawled

Horribly nasty! Especially considering this is my ass we're talking about here. I think I'll leave my precious hemp home safe in Canada the next time I head south of the border.

amateurmacfreak
Jun 4, 2006, 09:59 PM
Whoa, hold on a second...colour-me-stupid, but do you mean to say that hemp and hemp products are 100% entirely outlawed in the US??

Hemp things are just so common here in Canada, I find that hard to fathom. Or, am I missing something? :confused: :confused: :confused:
Oh, sry, I was unclear... it's just outlawed to grow hemp. But hemp products are very uncommon. But you can pick up hemp twine at most craft stores.
Btw, is hemp paper very common in Canada?

amateurmacfreak
Jun 4, 2006, 10:06 PM
As far as I know, the only legal hemp plantations in the US are maintained by the government for production of rope in time of war.
Ha, is that tongue in cheek or do they still do that??

From a hemp fact sheet I read today:
"A few years later, in 1942, nylon ropes were a great disappointment to our military forces....." and essentially we quietly lifted the band on growing hemp... and later banned it after the war.

CanadaRAM
Jun 4, 2006, 10:28 PM
I use powdered hemp protein daily in my morning protein and fibre drink. It's better tasting than soy or whey protein. Hemp oil is also a very good dietary oil, but flax oil is even better in our diet.

elfin buddy
Jun 4, 2006, 10:28 PM
Oh, sry, I was unclear... it's just outlawed to grow hemp. But hemp products are very uncommon. But you can pick up hemp twine at most craft stores.
Btw, is hemp paper very common in Canada?

Ah, very good. That eased my mind a little.

I have seen hemp paper, but it's not overly common and I think it costs a bit more than regular stuff. I've never seen anyone actually use it.

IJ Reilly
Jun 4, 2006, 10:37 PM
Ah, very good. That eased my mind a little.

I have seen hemp paper, but it's not overly common and I think it costs a bit more than regular stuff. I've never seen anyone actually use it.

You mean, for actually writing on? ;)

elfin buddy
Jun 5, 2006, 08:49 AM
You mean, for actually writing on? ;)

Depends on the person, I suppose :p

mactastic
Jun 5, 2006, 09:24 AM
When I joined the Credit Union I use as my bank they offered a hemp checkbook cover, which I payed a few extra bucks for at the time. That thing lasted 5 years being stuffed into my back pocket most days, and living in my backpack the rest of the time. All my plastic ones were crap within a year of that kind of abuse. My wife got one a year later, and treats it better. Hers is still going strong after almost a decade.

IIRC there is still a government program that supplies actual marijuana to a handful of people who were part of a government research program. I remember seeing an article about a guy who got a tin with like 300 joints that was his month's supply. I think he was using it to keep his glaucoma under control.

iJon
Jun 6, 2006, 12:11 AM
IIRC there is still a government program that supplies actual marijuana to a handful of people who were part of a government research program. I remember seeing an article about a guy who got a tin with like 300 joints that was his month's supply. I think he was using it to keep his glaucoma under control.
Yeah, it's the last of a group of people that were on a test run for marijuana back before it was illegal. Montel talked about it in some interview I read. I believe it is grown at the University of Mississippi. Anyone in Oxford care to verify that?

jon